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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're somewhere

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Speaker 1: over the Atlantic Ocean making our way back to you slices.

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Speaker 1: It's Monday, June twenty ninth, and on today's show, we're

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Speaker 1: skipping the need to know and getting right to my

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Speaker 1: conversation with two of our faves, sports journalist Jane McManus

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Speaker 1: and comedian and writer Aaron Foley. The two friends of

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Speaker 1: the show have teamed up for a new venture called

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Speaker 1: Storied Sports, where they tell women's sports stories and build

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Speaker 1: structures where athletes can earn equity in their own ip.

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Speaker 1: We talk about why that's so necessary as the women's

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Speaker 1: sports industry continues to explode, what it means to Aaron

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Speaker 1: to be gainfully employed in the women's sports space, and

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Speaker 1: how Jane and I are pulling a Freaky Friday when it.

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Speaker 2: Comes to optimism. Expect a lot of laughs among friends.

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Speaker 2: This is a fun conversation. It's all coming up right

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Speaker 2: after this.

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Speaker 3: Joining us.

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Speaker 1: She's a Storied Sports executive, producer, editor and contributor, the

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Speaker 1: author of the book The Fast Track Inside the Surging

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Speaker 1: Business of Women's Sports, and a professor at NYU and Co.

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Speaker 3: Columbia.

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Speaker 1: One third of the greatest DESPN radio show that's ever been,

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Speaker 1: The Trifecta. She's also a former roller derby star named

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Speaker 1: Leslie e Viscerat and right now she's in Rome Jelly.

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Speaker 3: It's Jane McManus.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Jane, Hey, Sarah, you're not so bad yourself. If

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Speaker 4: I were to read all your credentials down the line,

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Speaker 4: you'd sound pretty impressive too.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I know it's nice when people just hand select the

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Speaker 1: very best parts of you and ignore all of the rest.

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Speaker 2: Also joining us, she's an.

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Speaker 1: Executive producer, contributor and head of development at Storied Sports,

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Speaker 1: a comedy writer, stand up comedian, and the host of

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Speaker 1: the Fabulous hr Lights women's sports podcast. Her TV writing

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Speaker 1: credits include that ninety show in the sb Awards, her

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Speaker 1: WNBA fantasy team Tube Socks is a freaking buzz saw,

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Speaker 1: taking out every other team, including mine, and she might

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Speaker 1: have her pride card revoked for failing to properly snap

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Speaker 6: It's Aaron Foley hi erin Hello, so good to be here.

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Speaker 6: I think my gay card has been revoked. I could

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Speaker 6: not snap a fan.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't. I couldn't do it. I tried so hard.

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Speaker 1: No, you couldn't and I didn't have time yesterday, but

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go ahead and send you the video

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Speaker 1: of me perfectly snapping a fan at Pride last year.

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Speaker 1: So I guess that's where your card went was to me.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought, well, the more I drink, the better

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Speaker 3: And it did not.

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Speaker 6: It got worse. I don't know what happened, but yeah,

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Speaker 6: some to work on.

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Speaker 5: Just excited Sarah that you finally joined the team.

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Speaker 1: I know you've been waiting for years. You've been waiting

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Speaker 1: for years for me to get my card. I'm not

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Speaker 1: quite there yet, but we're getting closer by the day.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Storied Sports because this is a great

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Speaker 1: new venture and we mentioned it on the show when

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Speaker 1: five RS podcast, but it was just getting started. That

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Speaker 4: So we've been working with some of the most amazing

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Speaker 4: I mean, just like people who have really kind of

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Speaker 4: now where we can tell stories. I know you loved

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Speaker 4: Sarah from the eighty five Ers podcast, Bernadette Noonan, who

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Speaker 4: was the feistiest, most amazing Seattle based like founder of

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Speaker 5: It's pretty amazing.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that we feel really proud of

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Speaker 1: Gotten more run to have, you know, love pro volleyball

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Speaker 4: Like think about men's sports that have been around forever, baseball, whatever,

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Speaker 4: you've got the storytelling, the baseball cards, et cetera. That history,

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Speaker 4: And when women's stories have been discarded, not told, forgotten,

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Speaker 5: We're kind of robbed of that. And I feel like,

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Speaker 5: you know, I love your show, Sarah, I love your work.

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Speaker 5: Sad to say, I really do.

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Speaker 4: And you know you can do to give you a compliment,

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Speaker 4: I hate having to give you props, but I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: do it because I do. I think this is like,

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Speaker 4: this is really important stuff for us to have this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree, Aaron.

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Speaker 1: You know, athlete IP actually comes in on this project.

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Speaker 1: So Storied Sports isn't just about retroactively telling the stories

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Speaker 1: It's also about creating IP intellectual property and the ability

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Speaker 6: I think that's really what separates us, or we're trying

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Speaker 6: I think the biggest examples like when we were doing

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Speaker 6: Our merch sold out in two weeks because people want

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Speaker 1: roses that I'm admiring, and yet here we are, and

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Speaker 1: it's a compelling argument, like you made me feel better

439
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Speaker 1: about my concerns. And you know, Aaron, I do think

440
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Speaker 1: that's a valid point. Is that because the fans spend

441
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Speaker 1: the money by the tickets, by the merch and are

442
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Speaker 1: so vocal in women's sports about what they want and

443
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Speaker 1: how they want things to go, it would be fundamentally

444
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Speaker 1: an opposition to the intentions of the rich people coming

445
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Speaker 1: in if they tried to change it to a point

446
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Speaker 1: where it was unrecognizable, because.

447
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Speaker 2: They will lose that.

448
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Speaker 1: And I don't know that the same money and support

449
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Speaker 1: would come from a brand new swath of fans that

450
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Speaker 1: arrived because they felt like now their white CIS male

451
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Speaker 1: overlords were running things right. Oh, now it's a place

452
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Speaker 1: for me because it's less queer less. I don't think

453
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Speaker 1: that that intersection will happen in women's sports in any

454
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Speaker 1: meaningful way. And so even if it is just about

455
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Speaker 1: capitalism and the fact that they can't scare off the

456
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Speaker 1: hardcore fans. Maybe there is an opportunity for the changing

457
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Speaker 1: space to still be rooted in the right things. Do

458
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Speaker 1: you see it as optimistically as j I can't believe

459
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Speaker 1: I just said that.

460
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Speaker 3: I do, but I'm nervous for sure.

461
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Speaker 6: I think I would just add I love what Jane said,

462
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Speaker 6: for sure, but I would also add, like, we need

463
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Speaker 6: women right up there next to the wealthy, wealthy straight

464
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Speaker 6: white men, women who have been in the space forever.

465
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Speaker 6: Women have that paid like myself eight dollars in Liberty games,

466
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Speaker 6: and we'd work our way down in ninety seven and

467
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Speaker 6: ninety eight, you know, like we need women in charge

468
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Speaker 6: that know that, like you know, have seen the history

469
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Speaker 6: of what has worked and what has not worked. If

470
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Speaker 6: those women are there, then I feel like a lot better.

471
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Speaker 6: But like just Yahoo's coming in with their big books.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it's one am I eighty But like that that

473
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Speaker 3: makes me nervous.

474
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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, And I think, and particularly for player experience,

475
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Speaker 1: preventing the toxic kind of situations we saw across the

476
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Speaker 1: NWSL before, continuing to have enough women in charge to

477
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Speaker 1: make their voice is heard around partnerships and activations and

478
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Speaker 1: events so they don't become tone deaf, and I keep

479
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Speaker 1: arguing that we need to continue to make very bold

480
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Speaker 1: black lines, after which it's we've gone too far. There

481
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Speaker 1: is no such thing as pure money at this point,

482
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Speaker 1: but there is certain money, certain people, certain affiliations that

483
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Speaker 1: we can draw the line at that we can go

484
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Speaker 1: find that money elsewhere, as opposed to degrading ourselves to

485
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Speaker 1: such a level that we're now fundamentally operating in opposition

486
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Speaker 1: to everything we stand for, and the people we're partnering

487
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Speaker 1: with don't respect or value or even accept our identities

488
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Speaker 1: in the women's sports space like that, to me, we

489
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Speaker 1: got to keep a real keen eye on that, because

490
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Speaker 1: all money, all male celebs showing up at the game's

491
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Speaker 1: court side aren't good ones. Some of them are actually damaging,

492
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Speaker 1: and then the space will no longer feel like a

493
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Speaker 1: space for people to show up in yell happy International

494
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Speaker 1: Women's Day.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we don't need creepers. I don't keep your creepy money,

496
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Speaker 6: you know what I mean? Absolutely, I mean, you can

497
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Speaker 6: give me some of the creepy money and I'll clean

498
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Speaker 6: it and do good things with it. But otherwise, yeah,

499
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Speaker 6: it's that's such a good point I want.

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Speaker 4: To make just a small counter argument, Sarah. And again

501
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 4: it's coming from a place of optimism. So I don't

502
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Speaker 4: scare you Wed. But culture works both ways. And if

503
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 4: people show up to these games cheer for black gay

504
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Speaker 4: predominantly a league full of black gay women, you know,

505
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Speaker 4: cheer for people who use they then pronounce, cheer for,

506
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Speaker 4: you know, people who are using their platform to advocate

507
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Speaker 4: for causes that they believe in. They aren't going to

508
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Speaker 4: be able to exist in some sort of ideological bubble either.

509
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Speaker 4: And I think there is a positive exchange of understanding

510
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Speaker 4: in an arena, on a field, in the stands, and

511
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Speaker 4: you know that, you you know, this happens all the

512
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Speaker 4: time in men's sports as well. Like you go to

513
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Speaker 4: a stadium, you are sitting next to somebody. You don't

514
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Speaker 4: know what their politics are, you don't know where they

515
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Speaker 4: came from or they live, what their story is, but

516
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Speaker 4: you guys are there for the same reason, and you're

517
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Speaker 4: there to cheer for the teams.

518
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Speaker 5: And so I think, you know, in some ways, I.

519
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Speaker 4: Think there's these spaces in our sports are places where

520
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Speaker 4: there can be an unthreatening exchange of ideas when it

521
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Speaker 4: comes to identity and a lots of other things, just

522
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Speaker 4: simple community. Hey, can you you know you mind if

523
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Speaker 4: I get up to use the bathroom at halftime?

524
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Speaker 5: You know, like all this stuff like.

525
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Speaker 3: Who did you vote for?

526
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Speaker 1: Jane? Paramedopaus has changed to and frankly, I'm terrified of

527
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Speaker 1: the new Jane, but I love it and I agree

528
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Speaker 1: with you to a point. I think the difference is

529
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Speaker 1: whether they're invited to come experience it as it is

530
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Speaker 1: and be a part of it and potentially be changed

531
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Speaker 1: by it, or whether they're being highlighted as someone that

532
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Speaker 1: we should be excited showed up and they're using women's

533
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Speaker 1: sports as pr for their damaged and deserved bad reputations.

534
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Speaker 1: I will not let women's sports be the place that

535
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Speaker 1: Jamis Winston shows up and we want him around women.

536
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but that's not That's the line I'm talking about.

537
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Speaker 1: I think there are people that are irredeemable until I

538
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Speaker 1: see otherwise. And I am the most optimistic person, but

539
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Speaker 1: I do not want to afford people apologies that haven't

540
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Speaker 1: earned them, or worked for them, or proved in any

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Speaker 1: way that they deserve our forgiveness, or for us to

542
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Speaker 1: change our opinions about them and showing up at women's sports.

543
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Speaker 2: Isn't that for me? But I guess we've switched positions

544
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Speaker 2: at this point in our lives.

545
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Speaker 3: Now I'm the next Wow.

546
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Speaker 4: Jane McManus circa twenty twelve.

547
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Speaker 3: Nice to see you again. You taught me.

548
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Speaker 2: Well, Okay, we're running out of time here, but I

549
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Speaker 2: want to talk quickly. Aarin.

550
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Speaker 1: You know, when you were doing the eighty five or stuff,

551
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Speaker 1: one of the things you did was this great panel

552
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Speaker 1: when the Seattle rain did their initiative the Queen's Match,

553
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Speaker 1: And this is such a great intersectional moment with the

554
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Speaker 1: goal of storied sports, because they wanted to honor players

555
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: that helped make soccer what is in this country. And

556
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Speaker 1: every year they're going to have this Queen's Match and

557
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Speaker 1: honor somebody different. But I want to know if you

558
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Speaker 1: have any fun anecdotes from that live panel you hosted

559
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Speaker 1: and that weekend in general hanging out with eighty five ers.

560
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Speaker 6: This is gonna sound like horrific, but it's it's completely fine.

561
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Speaker 6: But I was really nervous to host that panel, right,

562
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Speaker 6: and like this is my jam, Like you know, I

563
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Speaker 6: like I love hosting. I like, you know, just you know,

564
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Speaker 6: cracking jokes and attention.

565
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Speaker 3: But I was attention whatever we won't call it.

566
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Speaker 6: But on the way to the panel, I got into

567
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Speaker 6: a car accident and I'm not making this up. I've

568
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Speaker 6: never been in a car accident my entire life. And

569
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Speaker 6: we pulled over and this and four people got out

570
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Speaker 6: of the car that this woman that hit me, and

571
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Speaker 6: they were all super high as a kite, dressed up

572
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Speaker 6: to go to a.

573
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Speaker 3: What do you call it? Oh my god, renaissance fair?

574
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Speaker 3: I got.

575
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Speaker 6: I literally got hit by four high people dressed up

576
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Speaker 6: in robes. The woman that was driving had elfer on

577
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Speaker 6: and she goes, I didn't.

578
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Speaker 2: Wait, are you sure you weren't there really high ones?

579
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Speaker 3: And maybe they were dressed normally. Can you imagine?

580
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Speaker 6: Like I'm in my head about this panel. This woman

581
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Speaker 6: gets out she has elf ears on and she's like,

582
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Speaker 6: I didn't see you. I go, yeah, because you've got

583
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Speaker 6: elf ears on. Anyway, so that was a sidebar. I

584
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 6: was losing my mind. But then yeah, so anyway, I

585
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 6: was just like I cannot of course, I'm like a

586
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 6: comedian and I get hit by four stoners going to

587
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Speaker 6: a runfair. But anyway, I think I was literally of

588
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Speaker 6: like all the gigs I've done my life. Maybe the

589
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 6: most nervous because it was like these ogs on the panel,

590
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Speaker 6: like you know, you've got Bender and Acres and you

591
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Speaker 6: know Mayo who runs the rain.

592
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Speaker 3: Like it was just it was just incredible. But I

593
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Speaker 3: have to say overall.

594
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 6: Like the vat and Jen Barnes said, you know, set

595
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Speaker 6: the table, I grab her and put her on the

596
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Speaker 6: panel and h she's the owner of Rough and Tumble.

597
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Speaker 6: But it was the most feel good, Like everyone was

598
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 6: like so excited, like they wanted to celebrate these women.

599
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 6: They wanted to like hear from everybody, like it could

600
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 6: have been seven hours, you know. Like I just constantly

601
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,479
Speaker 6: was like looking at my watch because I was like, ah,

602
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 6: we have to this. I didn't want to contain it.

603
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 6: I wanted to hear them speak for like you know hours.

604
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Speaker 6: But oh my god. And also I have this I can't.

605
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 6: I have like no poker face, and I cry a

606
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 6: lot during these like really big emotional stories, and so

607
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,239
Speaker 6: I had to like keep pinching myself and being like

608
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Speaker 6: I'm going to go down and like at any point

609
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 6: in time. But uh, I think and then we met

610
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Speaker 6: Bernadette that night, But I think just the takeaway was

611
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,719
Speaker 6: it was just so so packed with these people like

612
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 6: desperate to hear these stories, desperate to like get these

613
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 6: stories out and be celebrated.

614
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Speaker 3: And yeah, I just was like, I'm so lucky to

615
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 3: be here. I felt very lucky. Yeah, that's awesome.

616
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Speaker 1: I am also a contagious crier, which is a real problem.

617
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: It's not so bad when it's like, I don't know

618
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: this show, but when I've interviewed families going through something

619
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: tough and in theory, I'm supposed to just be asking

620
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: them and strong, and instead as soon as they start crying,

621
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Speaker 1: I'm like crying too, and then they cry more, and

622
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Speaker 1: then I'm like, oh my god, I'm making it worse.

623
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Speaker 1: Like it's a real problem. But you know, in touch

624
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Speaker 1: with our emotions.

625
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Speaker 6: So Jane has seen it. Jane, just for meeting me.

626
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Speaker 6: Just in the last like year, I cry like all

627
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Speaker 6: the time.

628
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jane hasn't shed a tear since nineteen seventy six.

629
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Speaker 3: Maybe the new Jane.

630
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Speaker 2: Will Okay quickly, Before I let you go, you mentioned that.

631
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Speaker 1: Storied Sports has a newsletter, So Jane, You've chimed in

632
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: on the Sue Bird Megan Rappino breakup and the end

633
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: of their podcast To Touch More, you wrote about your

634
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Speaker 1: trip to the French Open. What is something if people

635
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Speaker 1: are going to go check out the newsletter, like what's

636
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Speaker 1: one of your favorite pieces or what's something you met

637
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Speaker 1: write about in the future.

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Speaker 4: There.

639
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Speaker 5: I love all of my children equally.

640
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Speaker 4: No, I really, first of all, check out Foley's take

641
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 4: because no, no, no, we're going to get to that.

642
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, sorry I went to steal your thunder on that. Then.

643
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

644
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Speaker 4: I haven't written a daily column for a while now,

645
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,959
Speaker 4: I mean, and so to kind of have an outlet

646
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 4: again is feels great. It's not just me, like there

647
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 4: are we're giving you know, Angela will take a column,

648
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 4: Cheryl'll take a column. Shell will weigh in on something

649
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 4: around the World Cup or the a Seventh Turn, like

650
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 4: the soccer tournament that she did, which is like this

651
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 4: really cool thing, and you know, we're able to talk

652
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,959
Speaker 4: about all these other things that are happening. So I

653
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 4: love that we're able to kind of pull things out

654
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Speaker 4: respond in a moment, et cetera. But I was at

655
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Speaker 4: Smith for my daughter's graduation. That is, I am too,

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Speaker 4: graduated daughters years old preschool Women's college, believe it or not.

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Speaker 4: You know, got a couple of little feminists on my hand. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but so it was there to celebrate, you know, to

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Speaker 4: out Don Staley is getting an honorary doctorate and that

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Speaker 4: she's gonna be one of the commencement speakers. Cool goes

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Speaker 4: to show you how involved as a parent I am

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Speaker 4: on in the weeds on everything that's happening around graduation.

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Speaker 5: I was like, just show them, tell me where to

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Speaker 4: And but anyways, so like Don Staley, you know, she's

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Speaker 4: she's walking into procession and I'm like, Don Staley, you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm like yelling and you know, and and then it

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Speaker 4: was like, oh, don't you know it's it was hilarious.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 5: And so I just love being able.

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Speaker 4: To tell the story because, you know, Don said something

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Speaker 4: really powerful, which is, you know, Smith has been under

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Speaker 4: fire from the Trump administration because they have trans students

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Speaker 4: and they're a you know, and I know because I

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Speaker 4: have a daughter and know her friends and everything. They're

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Speaker 4: a fully accepted part of the college. If you talk

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Speaker 4: to students there, they love that Smith does this, and

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Speaker 4: of course that puts them in the crosshairs of the

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Speaker 4: Trump administration.

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Speaker 5: And so for Don Staley to go there.

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Speaker 4: Was really meaningful, especially since the historic women's colleges have

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Speaker 4: not always been inclusive of black women.

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Speaker 5: So and of course Smith has a black president.

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Speaker 4: Now, So to have this kind of full circle moment,

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Speaker 4: it felt like to me, with sports and our culture

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Speaker 4: and society and this reckoning that we're having now that's

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Speaker 4: being imposed really on some really supportive institutions about gender,

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Speaker 4: to me, it felt like that was an important moment.

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Speaker 4: And so to be able to write about Don Staley

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Speaker 4: being there and what that meant and you know, these

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Speaker 4: are the kinds of things that we can do.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's awesome.

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Speaker 4: Mainstream media is still not come around to covering women's

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Speaker 4: sports in the way that I want to see it covered.

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Speaker 4: So to be able to do some of that coverage

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Speaker 4: with you know, in the newsletter and around you know,

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Speaker 4: and with these amazing legends who've played the game and

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Speaker 4: built the foundation of the game, that's meaningful.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: That is a tough act to follow, Aaron, but you

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Speaker 1: have done important work, like composing a fake Victoria and

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Speaker 1: Boco diary entry imagining how she might have felt being

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Speaker 1: asked to play with Serena Williams. You've also done some

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Speaker 1: good stuff around going to the women's College World Series

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Speaker 1: and other stuff.

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Speaker 3: So point people to.

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Speaker 1: Something that you'd like them to see in the newsletter,

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Speaker 1: including Foley's take.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think doing fake journal entries is really the

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Speaker 6: mark I want to leave on women's sports. It's so important.

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Speaker 6: I mean, other people are doing valuable work in this space.

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Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, I talk.

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Speaker 2: To them when you can imagine what they would say

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Speaker 2: if you talked to Lutely.

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Speaker 6: Am I going to sit down and actually get to

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Speaker 6: know her? No, I'm going to just make a fake

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Speaker 6: journal entry, and that's what I contribute to the space. No, obviously,

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Speaker 6: you know, I just what I just love just two

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Speaker 6: cents overall with a newsletter. And because I'm I've subscribed

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Speaker 6: pieces of all of it that I like.

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Speaker 3: But what I like.

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Speaker 6: About ours is that it's just so personal, and I

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Speaker 6: think that like is just really great when we hear

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Speaker 6: like first person stories like I was there, this is

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Speaker 6: what I saw. I'm Michelle Akers, I was just at

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Speaker 6: seven by seven and like, this is what I saw.

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Speaker 6: So and Jane, of course isn't a phenomenal writer and

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Speaker 6: she helps write every single thing, and so yeah, and

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Speaker 6: then I just do Foley's take and just try to

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Speaker 6: get jokes and really it's really yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, workshops on material, see if it might translates to

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Speaker 1: the stage.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great. Yeah, great.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, don't work harder, work smarter, and in

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Speaker 1: your case, work as little as possible.

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Speaker 2: I think is what we've established. Absolutely, I love you

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Speaker 2: both so much.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad that we have excuses to chat with

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Speaker 1: each other and see each other at things, and that

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Speaker 1: we're all just continuing to help drive this engine. It's

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Speaker 1: just it's really really cool that there's so many opportunities

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Speaker 1: now that it was so hard to find before.

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Speaker 3: You guys are the best.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for coming on, Sarah, You're awesome.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're our north star, Sarah, so thank you for everything.

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Speaker 6: Every time in the newsletter, like, can we give Sarah

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Speaker 6: another shout out? Could we give Sarah another shout out?

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Speaker 6: You're the best.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again to Erin and Jane for the laps and

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Speaker 1: for hanging out, and don't forget you can now watch

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Speaker 3: We have to take another break.

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Speaker 1: When we return, what happens in Vegas will end up

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Slices.

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