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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Welcome to the Foundations podcast. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson. We have a special bonus episode for you

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Speaker 1: today where Ben Bredigan from on X and I are

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Speaker 1: going to break down how to find birds on public land.

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Speaker 1: So we are at the Southeastern Wildlife Expo right now

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Speaker 1: and I'm about to talk to my buddy Ben, who

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Speaker 1: works for on X, passionate bird hunter, loves to hunt

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Speaker 1: roosters just like I do. And we are just going

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Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about our strategy for finding

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Speaker 1: birds because a lot of times you hear people say that,

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Speaker 1: you know, there are no public land bird opportunities. And

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Speaker 1: we're down here way in the southeast. We're in Charleston,

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Speaker 1: South Carolina, so we're kind of in like quail territory,

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Speaker 1: and you hear this across the country, and so Ben

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Speaker 1: and I are going to break this down right now.

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Speaker 1: So Ben, the first question I have for you is

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Speaker 1: when you go duck hunting, Let's say you got a

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Speaker 1: bunch of mallard scouted out yep. Are you usually the

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Speaker 1: kind of guy who's there before first light or do

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Speaker 1: you show up about three hours later.

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Speaker 2: I like to find I like to find a good

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Speaker 2: flight low thing shoot generally where you show up at noon.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm giving Ben a little bit of shit

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Speaker 1: because we had a little scheduling issue this morning.

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Speaker 2: I was working on Pacific time. In my defense, a

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Speaker 2: lot of stuff happens at these shows. Yeah, keep you

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Speaker 2: out pretty late, make the mornings a little early. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But seriously, man, thanks for thanks for doing this. I

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Speaker 2: know you know, you and I have kind of flown

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Speaker 2: in the same circles. We live in the same state,

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Speaker 2: and I know you're you're super passionate about the public

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Speaker 2: land bird thing.

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Speaker 1: Get your dogs out there. And I know you hear this,

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Speaker 1: and I hear this a lot, And this is why

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Speaker 1: I want to do this. People people always say I

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Speaker 1: would love to haunt x, I would love to hunt.

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Speaker 1: Why you hear you know, in this part of the world,

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Speaker 1: it's quail, right, there's no bob whit quail left and

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Speaker 1: there's nothing worth hunting or the grouse population is low.

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Speaker 1: But you find birds every year in multiple species. How

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Speaker 1: do you start. Yeah, So here's the biggest thing.

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Speaker 2: It's it's uh, it's a bit of a kicker, but

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Speaker 2: there shouldn't be a secret.

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Speaker 3: Is I go to where the birds live?

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Speaker 1: Okay, again, Like that's the biggest thing, is like, so

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Speaker 1: what do you say to somebody who's like, there are

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Speaker 1: no birds on the public land where.

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Speaker 2: I live, Well, go somewhere else or so come out.

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Speaker 2: There's two ways to two ways to skin the cat.

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Speaker 2: First is go to where they live, go to where

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Speaker 2: the best populations are if you if you're able, if

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Speaker 2: you want to travel. But there's also on the flip side,

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Speaker 2: if you want to stay local, like there are odds

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Speaker 2: are there are birds, especially when we talked about pest

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Speaker 2: in country, like there will be birds there. It is

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Speaker 2: just finding the optimal piece of habitat to be able

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Speaker 2: to hunt. Like it's you know, on bad bird years,

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Speaker 2: there are only birds in the best spots. On good

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Speaker 2: bird years, then you can go hunt marginal habitat and

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Speaker 2: still find birds. But it's just depending on where you know,

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Speaker 2: where are they going to live. You see this a lot.

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Speaker 1: You know, I live in the suburbs of the Twin Cities,

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Speaker 1: and so when I moved up to that's part of

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Speaker 1: the reason I started duck hunting, because I could find

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Speaker 1: migratory birds that would hit some of the ponds and

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Speaker 1: the rivers, and I had to you know, I would

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Speaker 1: rather pheasant hunt. I just would, but that's not what

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Speaker 1: you have. And then you start to realize, Okay, well there,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to kill a grouse here, I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to kill a rooster. But the woodcock migration comes through,

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Speaker 1: and now you're out there sitting on your tree standing

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Speaker 1: in early October and you're like, Okay, there's another opportunity

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Speaker 1: happening here. And I think I see this a lot,

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Speaker 1: you know, like with people who dream about Western big game,

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Speaker 1: like I'd love to hunt elk, but I never will

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Speaker 1: because of y or Z. It's like, well there's still

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Speaker 1: hunts out there, but you you're gonna have to change

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Speaker 1: like your expectations, right, And the bird world, it's easier

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Speaker 1: to be like there are no pheasants, there's no wild

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Speaker 1: pheasants in Iowa anymore, and I'm not going to do it.

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Speaker 2: And it's like that's just that's just not true, right, right,

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Speaker 2: Like there are they're there. Well, that's one thing I

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Speaker 2: really appreciate, appreciate about you, Tony, is like I followed

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Speaker 2: you a lot, like the big game deer hunting, Like

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Speaker 2: you go out and it's it's all about expectations, right,

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Speaker 2: you know, you weren't going out and shooting booters, but

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Speaker 2: like you were successful in a lot of different states

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Speaker 2: chasing deer, and it was that's a that's a great

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Speaker 2: eye opener. It should be an example for a lot

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Speaker 2: of people. It's like, yeah, you can go do this.

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Speaker 2: Don't expect to light the world on fire just just

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Speaker 2: because you went to South Dakota. Don't expect that you're

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Speaker 2: gonna light the world on fire. It's still tough in

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Speaker 2: a lot of situations on public land, but if you

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Speaker 2: set those expectations correctly, it's gonna be a successful trip.

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Speaker 2: And what's I always tell people, if you go and

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Speaker 2: do it, go drive and experience it.

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Speaker 3: What's the worst that's gonna happen?

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Speaker 2: Like, you're not gonna find a bunch of birds, right,

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Speaker 2: that's fine, right, You're not gonna die generally hopefully not

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Speaker 2: right right?

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Speaker 3: Well, And that's I kind of I kind of equate this.

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Speaker 1: You know, I grew up in southeastern Minnesota, so I

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Speaker 1: fish the Mississippi River a lot. And if you were

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Speaker 1: like a Basque guy or a northern guy, walleyes would

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Speaker 1: be a little different. But you could look at the

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Speaker 1: backwaters of the Mississippi and be like, there are thousands

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Speaker 1: and thousands of acres of basque cover bassie looking cove right, right,

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Speaker 1: But you start getting in there and there's no current here,

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Speaker 1: and it's kind of it's not the right stuff. And

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Speaker 1: then you find that sand drop or you find something

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Speaker 1: where you're like, oh, they are here because the shatter

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Speaker 1: fed to them or whatever. There's like an advantage people

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Speaker 1: in the bird world. You take pheasants and you go,

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Speaker 1: I want to walk that nhigh crp and I want

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Speaker 1: to watch my dog work perfectly and flush those birds

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Speaker 1: when it's birdy, or get on that tripod point. And

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Speaker 1: it's like, if you're on a private place that's been

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Speaker 1: babysat or your early season and you have that high population,

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Speaker 1: you might be able to expect that hunt if it's

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Speaker 1: at if it's December.

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Speaker 3: That's not going to be your reality in most situations, right.

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Speaker 1: So it's a matter of people think that they're going

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Speaker 1: to go out there. Their expectation is that I'm going

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Speaker 1: to go out there because you hunt pheasants this way

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but those pheasants that live.

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Speaker 1: That way and that cover are dead, and so you

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Speaker 1: have to go, Okay, my hunt is going to be

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Speaker 1: different now, But it doesn't mean that they're not there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just means that they're not gonna be there where it's easy.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: And the other thing too, is like they might be there,

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Speaker 2: but it's a situation that doesn't yield itself well for

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Speaker 2: you being able to get on them and shoot them.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Sure, they're certainly utilizing maybe it's like early successional habitat,

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Speaker 2: but the problem is is it's thin, it's short, They're

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Speaker 3: The cattails? Right? And that's where you got to play

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Speaker 1: And that's you know, I always tell people we were

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Speaker 1: talking right before this, you know, like my my, the

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Speaker 1: closest thing to dying and going to heaven for me

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Speaker 1: right now is walking into a giant cat tail slew

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Speaker 1: in the late season because I know there's enough birds

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Speaker 3: With a limit or not.

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Speaker 1: I know my dog is gonna be bloody and it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a it's you're gonna feel like you did something.

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Speaker 1: But I I always tell people like we pull into

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Speaker 1: still look out there, and if it's the right cover

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Speaker 1: and you know how to read it, you're like, there's

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Speaker 3: Still, I just need to solve for that.

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Speaker 1: And so instead of going and walking around the edge

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Speaker 1: pushed in the middle, or you know, you think about

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Speaker 1: I use coming from the space that I come from.

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Speaker 1: I use on X for white tail hunting and western hunting,

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Speaker 1: religiously turkey haunting trips. What I didn't realize was how

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Speaker 1: how I had started using it just to find parcels

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Speaker 1: right Like, I'm like, okay, well I could peasant hunt

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Speaker 1: this three twenty or this section or whatever. But you

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Speaker 1: start toggling between layers and seeing low land and then

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Speaker 1: to be targeted instead of burning yourself out and burning

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Speaker 1: hunt where they're not gonna be you could go hunt

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Speaker 1: that cattail salu that's in the back corner and probably

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Speaker 3: Just just make it happen. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I applaud you for going and busting cattails.

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Speaker 2: My like, my, uh, my technique is a little different

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Speaker 2: because I absolutely hate just marching through Like that sounds

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Speaker 2: like my hell, So that is very fun that you're

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Speaker 2: like I love this.

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Speaker 3: That's cool.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, like the biggest thing is being successful. Whether

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Speaker 2: it's quail, whether it's pheasants, whether it's X y Z

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Speaker 2: bird species. The people that I find that are good

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Speaker 2: at scouting are people that can understand aerial imagery and

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Speaker 2: here's you know, here's some like a little shelter belt

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Speaker 2: next to it. Okay, the grass gets a little thicker,

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Speaker 2: that'll be a good spot, right.

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Speaker 1: That's the that's the biggest thing, And that's that's something

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Speaker 1: we preach on the on the white tail side specifically.

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Speaker 1: A lot is like, you know, if you're winter scouting

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Speaker 1: so you can repeat that pattern. When you draw that,

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Speaker 1: I would tag and it one of the one of

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Speaker 1: the places that I think that that's most valuable. So

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Speaker 1: I talk a lot about pheasants because I love it,

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Speaker 1: and I know you do. But when you think about

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Speaker 1: the big wood stuff, whether you're in uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: here somewhere and you have some level of timber activity

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Speaker 3: Where are those Where is that food source? Damn? And

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's really interesting, especially especially with gross, which are

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Speaker 2: point something. Same thing for pheasants, cattails, short grass, long grass, crops,

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Speaker 3: It's not like that.

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Speaker 1: No, it's like if you I mean, I think one

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Speaker 1: Hard edges are easiest to see, but soft edges, like

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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, tak taking that step back and this

433
00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,040
Speaker 2: is like, yeah, touching on multiple points we talked about,

434
00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,879
Speaker 2: but take a step back, look at like why, like

435
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,119
Speaker 2: think of a why are the birds gonna be in

436
00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,959
Speaker 2: this area? It's like, well, to your point, if it's

437
00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,879
Speaker 2: if it's a big hundred acre cattail slew, yeah, like

438
00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,200
Speaker 2: that's a lot of ground to cover. So I mean

439
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,480
Speaker 2: my approach is I am very like I will not

440
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,359
Speaker 2: sit and beat areas up in terms of like if

441
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,280
Speaker 2: there's a hundred your cattail slu like, I am not

442
00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:03,080
Speaker 2: gonna walk through it.

443
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna go and pick apart right the

444
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:08,520
Speaker 3: key areas.

445
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to the next spot, pick apart the

446
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,160
Speaker 2: key areas, go to the next spot versus I don't

447
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,000
Speaker 2: walk and cover the entire thing. I'm just it's like

448
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 2: a power fishing, like go to the best areas, But

449
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,680
Speaker 2: why are those birds in that area because there a

450
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 2: crop field on this side of the Like if there's

451
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,600
Speaker 2: a cropfield, say on the left side of the swamp,

452
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,920
Speaker 2: well the oddside of the birds are probably gonna be there,

453
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,680
Speaker 2: especially if it's you know, on a backside where there's

454
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 2: less pressure. I'm gonna go walk those key areas and

455
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 2: then then go right.

456
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 1: Well and that's I mean, we talk about this all

457
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 1: the time, but like the access issue, you know, like

458
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,119
Speaker 1: where does the pressure originate from? Because you can just

459
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 1: about look into the future and see what people are

460
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 1: going to do. So that kind of stuff too, even

461
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 1: just hunting a different way. But if you think about

462
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,920
Speaker 1: you know, like I have this for years in the

463
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 1: white tail space, like how do you find bucks on

464
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:04,400
Speaker 1: public land?

465
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 3: How do you find bucks on public land?

466
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,479
Speaker 1: Most of what I'm doing is just trying to do

467
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:09,959
Speaker 1: something different than other people.

468
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 3: And then if you can.

469
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 1: Figure out like they usually do this, If I try this,

470
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 1: then you'll bump into the animals that know that they

471
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 1: usually do this. Yeah, and we think I was thinking

472
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 1: about this at the end of the season this year

473
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, where I was like, these pheasants have us

474
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 1: so figured out by now because they get hunted so much.

475
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 1: So unless I do something different and play that win

476
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 1: right and structure my routes to like just show them

477
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: something different of that knowledge, right, I think about every

478
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 1: big game animal I've ever hunted. Of course they're going

479
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,880
Speaker 1: to pattern you on public land. If a pheasant can

480
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 1: do it, you know, if the grouse can sit out

481
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 1: there and they can hear that four wheel are on

482
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 1: the two track and they can be in that old

483
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 1: homestead with the crab apples or whatever, they're just going

484
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 1: to do that and the pressure is going to go

485
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 1: buy them over and over again.

486
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a super interesting point. I've got a kind

487
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 2: of a fun case study. So there's a there's a

488
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,919
Speaker 2: piece of puppic plan a WMA near my house that

489
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 2: I run run the dogs on every day that's legal.

490
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 2: So from July fifteenth to April first, like, I would

491
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,479
Speaker 2: go if I wasn't hunting, I would go take all

492
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 2: the dogs out and we'd go run the WMA. Every

493
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 2: single day. We would do this. It was just exercise.

494
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 2: For the dog. So but I would do the same

495
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 2: route every single day. And by doing it every single day,

496
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 2: you see those patterns on what those birds are doing.

497
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 2: Like people would come and it's like I'd be there

498
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 2: and they'd come hunt it. During the season, I wasn't hunting.

499
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 2: I was just running them, and it's like I see

500
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 2: what they would do, and it's like I'd do a

501
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 2: I do this every day so I can tell you

502
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 2: what they're gonna do, where they're gonna be, et cetera.

503
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's like like clockwork.

504
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 2: I would see somebody pull in and they would walk

505
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 2: down the edge around this shelter belt. It's like, man,

506
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 2: I do this every day in these birds like they

507
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: know this game. Like it's there's a lot of birds

508
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 2: on this piece of property, but maybe I don't know

509
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 2: one out of ten days would I maybe move a

510
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 2: pheasant or my dog's like I would get in range

511
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: to shoot a pheasant if I was hunting, And so yeah,

512
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 2: it's just just really interesting.

513
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 3: To see how well they learned that.

514
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 2: And on this property, there's an access on the back

515
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 2: side of it as well, but it's overgrown.

516
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 3: You kind of got.

517
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 2: To pick your way to get to it, and the

518
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 2: times that I go and park there and work it

519
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 2: the opposite way. It's like the birds they just don't

520
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 2: understand what's going on there. Right, It's like, oh, and

521
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 2: I get if I go and I'd rarely do that side,

522
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 2: but if I do, it's like almost every time I

523
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 2: am getting within gun range of a bird.

524
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 3: Right.

525
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just very interesting, not that complicated. No,

526
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: it just takes. It just takes a little different. We

527
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,239
Speaker 1: got to wrap this up here in a second. I

528
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: want to talk about just a couple things. I know,

529
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 1: so people are going to listen to this and they're

530
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: gonna be like, well, there's still no birds on public

531
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 1: land by my house. And I just want to say, like,

532
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 1: when I moved to the suburbs of the Twin Cities,

533
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: I was like, I have no birds. Like I'm like,

534
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 1: I have no birds to hunt. But I had to

535
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: find a place to hunt deer. So I started scouting

536
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: white tails because I'm like, I got to I gotta

537
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: be in a tree stand.

538
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 3: I just do.

539
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: And I started finding wood ducks that were real patternable.

540
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: I started finding some teal that were real patternable. I

541
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: had a retriever, so I was like, well, switch gears now,

542
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: and in the process of that, it just hit me

543
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 1: so hard. I was like I had taken woodcock for

544
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: granted because of I have access to big woods, lots

545
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: of woodcock stuff if I want it. It's not my

546
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: I'd rather hunt grouse. I'd rather hunt a lot of

547
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: stuff than a woodcock, just would.

548
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 3: But I was.

549
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: I remember sitting on a tree stand in this spot

550
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: in the Cities, listening to traffic and watching woodcock fly

551
00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 1: into this swamp and just going, Okay, they have no

552
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: idea where they're at. So even though eleven months of

553
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: year you might not have a viable upland bird like

554
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: population at all to hunt there, there's a time in

555
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: October where all of a sudden, these worm meters from

556
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,239
Speaker 1: Canada show up and you can go in there and

557
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: have a true upland hunt. And I started all of

558
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: my dogs as puppies on woodcock in the Twin Cities,

559
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 1: in a place where people are like, you can't do it,

560
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: and it's like there's a window.

561
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 3: Is it your dream hunt? No? I love shooting woodcock, right, it's.

562
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: Great, But yeah, no, is it like the end, I'll

563
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: be all the best thing in the world.

564
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: Probably not well, but what I mean by that is like,

565
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: do people want to sit there and listen to morning

566
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: rush hour traffic? Like love Woodcock? Hate him, I don't care.

567
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is like, if you look at that scenario,

568
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: you'd be like, that's not necessarily like where I would.

569
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 3: I wouldn't choose it. I would draw up a better plan.

570
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 1: But it was even there, So I'm like, all I

571
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: want to say is like, there probably are opportunities closer

572
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: than you think for something at some point in the

573
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: season where you can get your dog out, find some

574
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: birds on public land and still have a bad ass hunt.

575
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's you know, It's it's that taking again,

576
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: the taking that step back and realizing like, hey, it

577
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 2: might not be Woodcock.

578
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 3: You might live in in Phoenix.

579
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 2: Well, in that case, it's called the Gamble's Quail Right

580
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: right there, they're littered, Like you pick a city and

581
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: there's there's probably something happening there.

582
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 3: It's just taking that step back and.

583
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 2: Say, hey, maybe I won't talking to a guy here

584
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 2: at Sewee and he's like, yeah, I hunted forty days

585
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 2: and I found one covey at Quail and he's like,

586
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: then I then.

587
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 3: I figured then I heard about Woodcock.

588
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: And now I'm making ten contacts a day. So he's

589
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: like that was a game changer, right, So it's taking

590
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 2: that step back and realized like, Okay, what other opportunities

591
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 2: are here for me if I'm developing a dog, et cetera.

592
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: Right, you brought up the the Arizona thing. I know,

593
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: I said I was gonna wrap this up. We will second.

594
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 3: I it.

595
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: I know a whole bunch of people who have and

596
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: you know you're talking a state that's like fifty percent

597
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: public land, three different species of quail.

598
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 3: Season goes into like February or it did, Yeah, still does.

599
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: So it's a destination place for a lot of people

600
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: who have the means to be like, I want to

601
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: keep my freaking season going. But the people I know

602
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: who are really good at that down there, you would

603
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: have thousands of acres of the same kind of mono habitat,

604
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: Like where are these birds? Where do you start? Well,

605
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: if you live in the desert, you're gonna get thirsty.

606
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: So you can look at those cattle tanks, the water tanks,

607
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: like the gozzlers and start there and be like, now

608
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: my route is this Instead of lighting out across the

609
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: desert and being like, I hope I find a covey

610
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: of quail in this, and so just even a little

611
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: intention and using some tools there to put you at

612
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: least where like at some point in the day these

613
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: birds are going to drink. Maybe it's this one, maybe

614
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: it's the next one where it spills out and there's

615
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: some nice grass below it or something. They're going to

616
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: show up there and you're already putting yourself your odds

617
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: are just better to get your dog some contacts and

618
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: get you just like have a better hunt.

619
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 3: I love that shit.

620
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because I remember distinctly first time I hunted

621
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 2: New Mexico, Like we just went out and it was

622
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: this area that there were words there. We saw them

623
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: from the road they were running around, but it was

624
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: a big kreasout flat. So just the same thing for

625
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of acres and sure there were words

626
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: in there. But the other thing, like we talked about,

627
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 2: is finding where they are and where you can actually

628
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 2: get an opportunity to shoot one there. They would just

629
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: I mean they were they were as fast as my

630
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: damn pointer was. Like they were just running. You could

631
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: never hold them. Went to a different area, thicker grass, right,

632
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: and Okay, now they're going to hold here or this

633
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,959
Speaker 2: is an opportunity where we can pin them against something.

634
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: So that was that was an eye opening experience. That's

635
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: shit's so fun. Yeah, so fun. All Right, we got

636
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: to wrap this up.

637
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: There's tons of people here at the expo and adorable

638
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: puppies walking by us.

639
00:28:58,960 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: Ben, thanks so much.

640
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: Uh, if you're listening to this and you want to

641
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: figure out where birds are, obviously, I mean Ben works

642
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: for AX, we have a tight relationship with him, but

643
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: it's like a that's one of the tools that put

644
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: so many birds in my game bag. I live off

645
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: of it because it just works.

646
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 3: Yep, appreciate it. Tell me thanks buddy. Yeah,