Speaker 1: Look Mayer. Oh, I see you and look over there.
Speaker 1: How is that culture? Yes? Wow, lost culture? Lost CULTURESA
Speaker 1: is calling.
Speaker 2: You were singing the amazing song Dreaming by Blondie before
Speaker 2: we got into the mic.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, this episode is going to be
Speaker 1: a lot more singing and giggling in way less tears. Promise, Promise, promise.
Speaker 1: Oh stop, I'm singing Dreaming by Blondie and I'm in
Speaker 1: a really good mood.
Speaker 3: When I met you in a restaurant.
Speaker 1: Can we first say one thing and let's relitigate this
Speaker 1: because it's really important culture. I wouldn't go back in time,
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't, like, you know, back to the future
Speaker 1: this because I think everything worked out. I'm about to
Speaker 1: talk about Trix Mittel. Wow, Tricky Mittel won that she
Speaker 1: won that lip sync to Dreaming by Blondie in season
Speaker 1: seven of Rupaul' Drag Race and Pearl lost.
Speaker 2: Oh, because I was about to ask who did she
Speaker 2: even go up against? But that was Yes, that was
Speaker 2: her and Pearl and Pearl was in that snake that
Speaker 2: cobra outfit was in that like beautiful silk cheap how situation.
Speaker 1: I will never forget, like I don't think they do
Speaker 1: What's the Tea podcast anymore? But Ruin Michelle had on
Speaker 1: Debbie Harry and Blondie, who were the guest judges literally
Speaker 1: for that episode. Yeah, and they were talking about that
Speaker 1: elimination and Rue was like, but don't you think that
Speaker 1: gurl was really giving Blondie, you know, And Debbie Harry
Speaker 1: just goes, no, we like Tricksy. Wow. Now was this
Speaker 1: like after Tricksy had become Tricksy? No, this was well
Speaker 1: before this was I mean, the only thing we knew about.
Speaker 2: Trixy at the time was Wisconsin Girl eliminated that episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know the first time I ever
Speaker 1: heard that Trixie Mattel was like popping off in like
Speaker 1: a way that felt like good and individual to her
Speaker 1: was Dave went to go see her show in Pete Town,
Speaker 1: like years and years ago, a fixture, and he was like,
Speaker 1: no one gets it, but Trixie Mattel is fucking incredible.
Speaker 1: And then obviously very quickly after that, everyone got it,
Speaker 1: and now Tricksy is the legend.
Speaker 2: The think about Tricksy is like, she will never abandon
Speaker 2: her roots and she will continue to be a Peetown girl.
Speaker 1: M she was back, but I think she's on her
Speaker 1: sabbatical right now. She was just hanging out and she
Speaker 1: just fucking deserves that. No one in entertainment deserves a
Speaker 1: break more than fucking tricksy man tell and I'm my.
Speaker 2: God, she is one of those people. I have not
Speaker 2: moved to do this too much. But when she put
Speaker 2: out that video being like I'm gonna go on a break,
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna text the girl. I texted her too.
Speaker 2: I was like, take as much as you need, Like
Speaker 2: we all have been there. We've all like fucking fizzled
Speaker 2: and sizzled, and you gotta sizzle.
Speaker 1: You know, she's a sizzler. When you're such a sizzler,
Speaker 1: you need to take a break. When you're a hot Fahida,
Speaker 1: you gotta sizzle. I think we are. Are we both Fahidas?
Speaker 1: Are we in our Fahida moment?
Speaker 2: I found out there's some like YouTuber who for somebody
Speaker 2: sent I stumbled on this video where he like teaches
Speaker 2: you how to like pose for photos, and I was like, sure,
Speaker 2: I'll watch this. I forget what his name is, but
Speaker 2: he I don't know if you mentioned the term sizzling,
Speaker 2: but you got to sizzle into a pose. You can't
Speaker 2: just like you can't, like you gotta like kind of
Speaker 2: shake it up, but kind of sizzle it off.
Speaker 1: Like don't just like hold the pose. You gotta like
Speaker 1: relax into it and sizzle. You know. Yes, I'm at
Speaker 1: Fijida for sure. When I'm in front of the camera,
Speaker 1: I want to sizzle it. I want to scintillate. I
Speaker 1: want to be a Fahida.
Speaker 2: Wow, cut to me naming my daughter Fahida. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: that's my god gorgeous name? Is that a nominee? I
Speaker 2: think I think the most gorgeous name.
Speaker 1: What was the category name? Best name for a girl
Speaker 1: that you haven't even thought of yet?
Speaker 2: I think that's gonna be a category next year for
Speaker 2: cultural words.
Speaker 1: Oh I love Fahida. Fahida, Fahida. Stop it now? Oh
Speaker 1: that's good? See what I mean? Like already this is
Speaker 1: off to a different foot. And can I just say,
Speaker 1: can I just say something to your podcast to all
Speaker 1: the readers Katie's publicist finalists who reached out to me
Speaker 1: after last week, I just want to say that I
Speaker 1: realize how lucky I am to have you guys. You
Speaker 1: all checked on me, and I want you to know.
Speaker 1: I am fine. I had a really hard week and
Speaker 1: I went to therapy and I worked some shit out
Speaker 1: and I've taken some new steps and it's fine, and
Speaker 1: I definitely feel all those things and they're all true.
Speaker 1: But I don't No one needs to worry about me.
Speaker 1: They made me a fucking playlist they like collaborate on
Speaker 1: all playlist for me altogether, and they sent it to
Speaker 1: me for Happy Music to get me out of my
Speaker 1: little Spotify ret that I'm in. I just want to
Speaker 1: acknowledge and say that we are the luckiest. We're so
Speaker 1: lucky idiots to have you guys, and just love you
Speaker 1: guys so much. And you because I want to tell
Speaker 1: you something. I had to self immolate and listened to
Speaker 1: that episode for Edits and went through it again, and
Speaker 1: you were just such a good friend to me. You
Speaker 1: are so that girl. I can't no, you really are
Speaker 1: that girl. I knew you were.
Speaker 2: I knew you were that girl. I went to bed
Speaker 2: the other night. My final thoughts before I drifted off
Speaker 2: into sleep was my girl, Matt Rogers, what an angel
Speaker 2: on this earth? I'm so lucky?
Speaker 1: What made you think of that? When you were laying
Speaker 1: I just had fun. Oh shut up, you fool. Don't
Speaker 1: give yourself credit. Never give myself credit. Promise you girl.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think this is a perfect I
Speaker 2: mean that is a perfect distillation of the pure love
Speaker 2: like I feel especially now fandom, even though I don't
Speaker 2: really love that word, but like a fandom is a
Speaker 2: reflection of the person and the reason why we have,
Speaker 2: why you have these really caring people who made that
Speaker 2: playlist for you is because you give that out. It
Speaker 2: is what goes out goes in and vice versa. So
Speaker 2: doesn't surprise me at all, but I'm delighted.
Speaker 1: To hear that. Well, I am in love with all
Speaker 1: of you and I always will be. What else? So
Speaker 1: should we get into the fucking colture? Because there has
Speaker 1: been culture? Can I tell you who whose concert I
Speaker 1: saw the other night? You went to Jone Jet and
Speaker 1: Elanis Morrissett. I went to Okay. So this was the
Speaker 1: this phenomenon that has been happening lately of I'll just
Speaker 1: be like buying something from a store and the cashier
Speaker 1: will just tell me about an event and I'll just
Speaker 1: go Cashier's No, I told you a few weeks ago,
Speaker 1: I was at the Beachwood Cafe and I think I
Speaker 1: was getting like a green juice or something, and the
Speaker 1: girl was like, I saw the best concert last night.
Speaker 1: I'm the biggest fan of Jesse j and I went
Speaker 1: to go see it and it was amazing, and it
Speaker 1: was like at the Terragram Ballroom. It was like a
Speaker 1: couple hundred people and she was shredding, and like, I
Speaker 1: was like, does she perform again tonight? Turns out she was.
Speaker 1: I went incredible. It happened again. Jared and I were
Speaker 1: in Studio City, like at a weed dispensary and the
Speaker 1: guy was like, I'm going to see Alanis morris set
Speaker 1: tonight and I was like, what the fuck? That is
Speaker 1: a show that I would one hundred percent go to.
Speaker 1: So then the next night it was Morgan Wade, who
Speaker 1: we missed. Oh my god, Jon Jat we came in
Speaker 1: halfway through incredible, and then Alanis Morrissett bitch. This was
Speaker 1: truly first of all groundbreaking vocal technique. Of course, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, like you don't think of her as one
Speaker 1: of the singers. She is one of the singers. Her instrument,
Speaker 1: her technique is nuts.
Speaker 2: Resonant, open like expansive voice, on her. Let me tell
Speaker 2: you she did a performance of Mary Jane. You've heard
Speaker 2: Mary Jane. You know the song Mary Jane by Alanis Morissett.
Speaker 2: What's the man of Mary Jane? Had a hard day?
Speaker 1: I know Mary Jane by Mary J. Blige. Oh nah,
Speaker 1: gimme so different. Also a great technique on her. Well.
Speaker 1: I first knew the song Mary Jane because Nicki McKibben
Speaker 1: sang it on American Aisle back in the day, God
Speaker 1: Wow season one, God Rass season one. But then I
Speaker 1: got into Alanis amazing. She did a performance of Mary
Speaker 1: Jane at the Key of the Other Night. That was
Speaker 1: like a moment in culture. It was a moment in
Speaker 1: culture to say nothing of all the hits. You live,
Speaker 1: you learn, Oh give it up for you live, you
Speaker 1: learn on your feet, on your feet, for you, if
Speaker 1: you're in your car, get up on your feet in
Speaker 1: a pod. You better shut up, you better shut up,
Speaker 1: You live, you learn? Oh my god. You know what's
Speaker 1: also funny about Elanis is like she's obviously synonymous with
Speaker 1: like female rage. Yes, and it could not have been
Speaker 1: more of a joyful show like obviously like towards the
Speaker 1: end she did you ought to know, and everyone was
Speaker 1: popping off. But it was so fun to get that anger.
Speaker 1: Can I say I love anger? Tap in to the anger, honey,
Speaker 1: it's fun to just let it go. Like you should
Speaker 1: have seen me in therapy and EMDR last week.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, anger can only be the really, it cannot
Speaker 2: be the fodder for more anger. It cannot beget more No,
Speaker 2: that is that is the only note on anger that
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 1: You're so right, but I love anger. Anger is I mean,
Speaker 1: like expressing it in a healthy way has been something. Really,
Speaker 1: It's actually given me peace. That's amazing because I've realized
Speaker 1: for quite some time now I have had so much
Speaker 1: anger that I have not expressed. And in doing this therapy,
Speaker 1: I'm doing like I finally expressed all my anger and
Speaker 1: I realized what it's really about. And it's been incredible.
Speaker 1: And then going to that concert, I was just like, wow,
Speaker 1: you ought to know, like this is really it's very
Speaker 1: useful for me right now. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I mean, oh, that is a pertinent song just on
Speaker 2: the note of anger, and to just bring back.
Speaker 1: A piece of culture, like here's some words.
Speaker 4: You live, you learn, you love, you learn, you cry,
Speaker 4: you learn, you lose, you learn, you bleed, you learn,
Speaker 4: you scream, you learn. That is life. That is the
Speaker 4: directionality we love to see. All roads lead to you learn. Okay, babe,
Speaker 4: let me tell you something. Never have lyrics been more
Speaker 4: simple but also so dynamic. And I'm telling you just
Speaker 4: say nothing of the hook.
Speaker 1: In the way it's written in sung but like that
Speaker 1: is a cathartic moment in music. Like just to see
Speaker 1: it so many years later really hit in the same
Speaker 1: way for this insane cross section of people. I mean
Speaker 1: it was very sapphic, yes, of course, but it was
Speaker 1: also gay, but it was also straight women with their
Speaker 1: husbands and husbands that were really excited to be there.
Speaker 1: And you're talking about someone that everyone respects. Show me
Speaker 1: someone who doesn't respect Alanis Morissett.
Speaker 2: I want to say so in this book Status and
Speaker 2: Culture that I have tried to extole it to you.
Speaker 2: You've bought I have it. So he has a timetable
Speaker 2: in there for how long it takes for something, and
Speaker 2: let's talk about it on the podcast and readers, Kese
Speaker 2: publicist finalist, let's get your take on this. So this
Speaker 2: is the timetable that he has.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll just say this is from the book Status
Speaker 1: and Culture by W. David Mars how our desire for
Speaker 1: social rank creates taste, identity, art, fashion, and constant change.
Speaker 1: And actually, kind of on face value, it kind of
Speaker 1: speaks to mean boys a little bit too, because that
Speaker 1: book is a lot about how culture politics flows downhill
Speaker 1: from culture, like in just about like interesting things to
Speaker 1: think about as of late. Okay, so here we go.
Speaker 2: In the book, there is a table based on the
Speaker 2: art historian James Laver, published in nineteen thirty seven. It's
Speaker 2: a now famous chart outlining how evaluations of certain trends
Speaker 2: change over time. One year after something comes out, it's dowdy.
Speaker 2: Ten years after something comes out, it's hideous. Twenty years
Speaker 2: after its time, it's ridiculous. Thirty years after its time,
Speaker 2: it's amusing. Fifty years, it's quaint seventy years, it's charming,
Speaker 2: one hundred years, it's romantic, one fifty it's beautiful. I
Speaker 2: don't know that that applies anymore. This feels very specific, but.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like I think we're rounding.
Speaker 2: I think like there's been enough of a patina on
Speaker 2: Jagged Little Pill that it is a classic for all time.
Speaker 2: But we were talking about Anthony Keatus on our other
Speaker 2: podcasts Two Guys, Five Rings based on the closing ceremony.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm connecting Atlantis to Anthony, and I might
Speaker 2: be a little not working, but like there's something about
Speaker 2: those two people to me as we consume them now
Speaker 2: in the culture, as they perform their old work where
Speaker 2: we go, that is a beautiful, aesthetically important thing.
Speaker 1: It's authenticity. And I think that's another thing that I
Speaker 1: was leaving the concert saying, was at no point did
Speaker 1: that feel like a contrived performance at all. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's a contrived bone in her body and she
Speaker 1: obviously I don't think Jaggi Littlepill was her first album
Speaker 1: and obviously was the breakthrough, but I believe she struggled
Speaker 1: for a second and then released Jagged Little Pill, and
Speaker 1: it was this like cultural moment that harnessed like a
Speaker 1: feeling and was able to you know, hit the mainstream.
Speaker 1: And I will say it's not even just the aesthetics
Speaker 1: of what she was doing, which feel like Alanis. You know,
Speaker 1: she had her Alanis hair, she was working the stage
Speaker 1: like Alanis Morisset, like feeling like she had an aged
Speaker 1: a day because probably her spirit, like her authenticity has
Speaker 1: always been there, and that maybe why, like ever since
Speaker 1: Jagged Little Pill, like she's had successes, but nothing on
Speaker 1: that level because she probably was resistant to selling out
Speaker 1: a lot, you know what I mean. Like there was
Speaker 1: the Jagged Little Pill musical a few years ago, which
Speaker 1: I feel like felt a little odd because that musical
Speaker 1: like marrying with sort of like the way the musical
Speaker 1: theater can be in a contemporary sense where it feels
Speaker 1: a little bit like flame, like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or it's relationship to audience and that never being
Speaker 2: the relationship that Alanis had to her audience, right.
Speaker 1: And I also think like we're talking about these lyrics
Speaker 1: like You Live You Learn, like when Alanis is performing
Speaker 1: them from her authentic place as a then young person
Speaker 1: who's like, you know, working through this, that's so different
Speaker 1: from like you know, six or seven, you know, thirty
Speaker 1: five year olds who booked a musical theater job singing
Speaker 1: You Live You Learn, Like it's just not gonna it's
Speaker 1: not gonna hit the same. But I don't know, I
Speaker 1: guess what I'm saying is it's like Jagged Little Pill,
Speaker 1: like that's an authentic piece of work and to talk
Speaker 1: about Anthony Keatis, like that's like an authentic artist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're both authentic artists. And there were moments in
Speaker 1: this concert that she was doing things like there's a
Speaker 1: moment where she just spins in a circle for like
Speaker 1: a minute, wow, and then collapses on stage with her
Speaker 1: hair in her face and finish the song obviously extremely
Speaker 1: nauseous and dizzy, and I'm like, she just put herself
Speaker 1: in that state so that she could like get this
Speaker 1: across the way she needs to get it across, and like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just felt very genuine. Everything about
Speaker 1: it felt genuine. Everything about the messaging was so purely
Speaker 1: from her. Like the second song in the entire set
Speaker 1: was accompanied with graphics that were like it will take
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty years for women at this rate
Speaker 1: to achieve equal pay, Like every six seconds, this happens
Speaker 1: to a woman like these. We were two songs in
Speaker 1: and she was like, already, I'm letting you know that
Speaker 1: I am this person who's still concerned about these issues
Speaker 1: and I am still out here to speak to this
Speaker 1: stuff that I've wanted to speak to from the beginning,
Speaker 1: which is about that it's hard to be a fucking
Speaker 1: woman in the way that you're treated by society and
Speaker 1: the men in your life and the fucking narcissists that
Speaker 1: want to take advantage of you and your youth and
Speaker 1: your vitality and your talent and your shine, like that
Speaker 1: is universal. But she hasn't lost that, you know. It's
Speaker 1: like she as a developing, maturing artist, has not lost
Speaker 1: the edge that came along with her in her debut
Speaker 1: and never got sanded down. No, and it feels like
Speaker 1: she just wrote it, you know, like it's like that
Speaker 1: music really still works. It was cool.
Speaker 2: I think it's time for us to announce that Alanis
Speaker 2: Morris sat Oh my god, is in the top fifty
Speaker 2: of the Iconic four hundred.
Speaker 1: No, you were announcing that today. She's in the top fifty.
Speaker 1: That's all we'll say. We can't say where she landed,
Speaker 1: but we can say she's in the top fifty. And
Speaker 1: you know what she is. And if you thought maybe
Speaker 1: we forgot about the Iconic four hundred, you're only a
Speaker 1: little bit right.
Speaker 2: It's coming. It's coming, it's time, it's been time. We're
Speaker 2: just gonna say full disclosure, full transparency for the next
Speaker 2: couple months. Matt and I will be on opposite coast.
Speaker 2: We're gonna do this over zoom in our respective wherever
Speaker 2: we find ourselves. I guess I was going to say homes,
Speaker 2: but we're not even gonna be home necessarily. Don't worry.
Speaker 2: Matt has since found a sense of mooring despite the
Speaker 2: fact that he is going to be bouncing around this
Speaker 2: great nation of ours. I'm good, but we're just gonna
Speaker 2: be doing this over zoom. So we all we have
Speaker 2: made the joint decision to not have as many guests
Speaker 2: in that time because we do prefer it when it's
Speaker 2: in person, that's all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the guests are sort of a thing
Speaker 1: where it's like, let's just make sure that it can
Speaker 1: be the best version of what that episode is, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And those are obviously when we're
Speaker 1: in person, and can you know, figure video out and
Speaker 1: do all that stuff, just because now that we've set
Speaker 1: that expectation, we want to keep meeting that expectation. But
Speaker 1: life being the way it is, Bowen and I are
Speaker 1: not always together together. And to quote the title of
Speaker 1: a Patty Harrison film, which everyone should be seeing, by
Speaker 1: the way, it's so good in the spirit Award nominee
Speaker 1: Patty Harrison. I just texted her the other day to
Speaker 1: ask her a question. I got the green text back,
Speaker 1: which is so Patty coded. What happened? I don't know
Speaker 1: where the fuck in the world she is, Like, I
Speaker 1: I wish I knew. She's one of the most difficult
Speaker 1: people to get a hold of. And I will say
Speaker 1: that publicly.
Speaker 2: Yes, and she would talk to that. Miraculous that you
Speaker 2: even got a text back And this is no, no, no.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I said. What I mean is I said
Speaker 1: my text and the green thing came up, and I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, well she's either dead or in Europe.
Speaker 2: Let's hope it's the latter. Let's not put that thought
Speaker 2: in people's heads.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think she's dead. Do you think Patty's
Speaker 1: in the Iconic four hundred? Yeah? Yeah, but really low,
Speaker 1: really low. I think she just barely made it. She's
Speaker 1: above Blake Lively, who is having a great week. Did
Speaker 1: we announce that Blake Lively was never to announced? We
Speaker 1: did announce that Blake Lively was number four her. Blake
Speaker 1: Lively is number four hundred on the list of the
Speaker 1: Iconic four hundred, and I guess we should get into this.
Speaker 1: So there's drama. There's drama over the book. It ends
Speaker 1: with us and not just within its pages.
Speaker 2: Oh right, can you fill me in on this. I
Speaker 2: don't really care to know more about the drama.
Speaker 1: Honestly. It's one of those stories that I guess because
Speaker 1: she is so famous like that. It's one of those
Speaker 1: things that everyone sort of now talks about because I
Speaker 1: too didn't care that much. Not to say I don't
Speaker 1: love Blake. I do love Blake. I actually auditioned for
Speaker 1: this movie. Oh, I got a new agent, and I
Speaker 1: think he was like trying to send me on more
Speaker 1: like atypical things. So I went on tape. Okay, this
Speaker 1: was funny. It was the week of my breakup last year,
Speaker 1: like a year and a half when I went through
Speaker 1: that thing, and I was so I was crying every day,
Speaker 1: sobbing every day, and I had to cry on this
Speaker 1: tape and you were like, use it. But I also
Speaker 1: had to be straight, So I was like I had
Speaker 1: to like I had to manage, like how to maintain
Speaker 1: my emotion but also seem like a love interest of
Speaker 1: Blake Lively, who by the way, was named Atlas. Gotta
Speaker 1: cut it out. With this name. But it was just
Speaker 1: so funny because me crying as a straight man, like
Speaker 1: I don't really think plays well. You can.
Speaker 2: You were raw enough to deliver on the crying, but
Speaker 2: you there's that extra refraction where you're like, I gotta
Speaker 2: be okay, it's too much though, the wires get too cross.
Speaker 1: Because it's like you're not supposed to have those checkpoints
Speaker 1: where you're like thinking too hard about like how you're
Speaker 1: expressing the emotion. The emotion should just like be there
Speaker 1: or in a way that you christrain it and then
Speaker 1: give it. Meanwhile, like I was not in control of
Speaker 1: my emotions, and you think, oh, this is a great
Speaker 1: opportunity to go on tape for something emotional because I am,
Speaker 1: And then it just didn't match up with whatever whatever
Speaker 1: obviously didn't book. You're not gonna see me like making
Speaker 1: love to Blake Lively in cinema, I don't think anytime soon.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but suffice it to say I hadn't
Speaker 1: heard about this movie since then. I really didn't know.
Speaker 1: It was like this huge book. It's apparently one of
Speaker 1: the biggest books. And I guess Blake Lively and the
Speaker 1: director Justin Baldoni like absolutely hate each other. It's one
Speaker 1: of those like, don't worry, Darling situations where it's just
Speaker 1: like the director and the entire cast and creative team
Speaker 1: like cannot promote the movie together or whatever the fuck.
Speaker 1: And I don't actually know why. I've heard like rumors
Speaker 1: as to why, but it's one of those situations where
Speaker 1: it's like now bled into the public and it's it's
Speaker 1: that right.
Speaker 2: The only bit I caught was Jenny Slate art pal Love,
Speaker 2: previous guest of the show, being on a red carpet
Speaker 2: being asked like, it must have been so amazing to
Speaker 2: see justin like be like the director and like be
Speaker 2: on camera and like, god, what was that like for you?
Speaker 2: And she goes, yeah, I mean I'm totally burchering this.
Speaker 2: But she was like, it's hard to do both. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's really hard to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah. She fully did not answer the question, but in
Speaker 1: a way that was very obviously like expertly touching it.
Speaker 1: But also no, it was chic and team Jenny whatever
Speaker 1: side she's on, which I believe is blakes. But I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it just seems like one of those things where it's
Speaker 1: very obviously a bad situation and to watch people navigate
Speaker 1: that in public is so it's frustrating obviously because you know,
Speaker 1: no one wanted it like that, But it is a
Speaker 1: little bit funny where it's just like and now of
Speaker 1: course everyone's coming in with their opinions on what it
Speaker 1: must be. You know, it's it's also a rough book,
Speaker 1: and I like, yeah, have you seen the trailer. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen any of It's like half romantic comedy. And
Speaker 1: then this dude becomes like very violent and abusive, and
Speaker 1: so I don't really know how you get that across
Speaker 1: the people. Yeah, I mean tw domestic abuse to the
Speaker 1: nth degree. But that's what the movie is giving. So
Speaker 1: on top of all that, it can't feel good to
Speaker 1: have like strife, and you know, we just hope everyone's okay,
Speaker 1: Blake looks great on the carpets.
Speaker 2: It can't be good to have strife. That's that just
Speaker 2: applies across the board. And that's actually a rule of culture.
Speaker 2: What number is that six?
Speaker 1: It can't be good to have stre And that's just across.
Speaker 2: Across the board unless it's cloud strife from Final Fantasy. Steven, Now,
Speaker 2: where does this leave us in terms of this ongoing
Speaker 2: conversation culturally that we're all having about the purpose of
Speaker 2: a press tour at this point, it makes me feel nothing.
Speaker 2: I'm like, just tell me if the movie's worth seeing.
Speaker 2: I don't need to watch the cast play games on
Speaker 2: Vanity Fair, you know, doing like, well, do you not
Speaker 2: need that?
Speaker 1: Perfect? I don't think I need it. I really don't.
Speaker 1: Oh got to talk about your girl on hot Ones.
Speaker 1: Arianna absolutely slaid hot Ones. She was HOI rock, she
Speaker 1: was poised. It was graceful the hot ones and also
Speaker 1: and funny. I love the way she talks through her
Speaker 1: experience like she's just like hmm, like she really is given,
Speaker 1: like it started getting Meisner.
Speaker 2: It's very sense memory or is that out there? I
Speaker 2: don't even know which one of that is.
Speaker 1: Hmmm.
Speaker 2: It's making me realize that I don't like hot sauce.
Speaker 2: So she's very in touch with her emotions.
Speaker 1: As we all know. I loved her hot Ones and
Speaker 1: so this is what I mean, Like, I love hot
Speaker 1: Ones as a press chour, hot Ones, hot ones on
Speaker 1: hot Ones. Need you on hot Ones? Have I asked? Never? Babe?
Speaker 1: Can I tell you something it's not because of interest
Speaker 1: or you don't want to do it? Oh? No, I
Speaker 1: would love to do it.
Speaker 2: I just I think I've seen every single episode that
Speaker 2: is one of my favorite things ever anything in media
Speaker 2: that is one of my favorite things. And Sean Evans,
Speaker 2: I think is one of our best interviewers hands down.
Speaker 1: Here's an idea, why don't we do an in person
Speaker 1: with Sean Evans for Lost Culch If you'd be into
Speaker 1: it and do it while we do Lost Culture? Could
Speaker 1: that work?
Speaker 2: I think there's something legal there, Like we can be fun.
Speaker 2: What do you mean, No, it's his it's his ip loo.
Speaker 2: He has to be protective of it. We understand, but like, look,
Speaker 2: we get it, Like, look, we can do I don't
Speaker 2: think some money on watching Happens Live, Sean can't do
Speaker 2: hot ones on Lost Culture stuts, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like I think there in his court, that's in depth,
Speaker 1: balls in his court, and I'm just saying, hold on wait.
Speaker 1: Banna says he did hot ones on Ron Burgundy Live
Speaker 1: and it was very fun and he was very lovely. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're saying he's connected to the family, just saying
Speaker 1: I would be really excited to do a one. Of
Speaker 1: course he would, and Bowen would too. You like spice,
Speaker 1: can I tell you, I don't know how much I
Speaker 1: like spice anymore, because I used to identify as like,
Speaker 1: like I said a couple weeks ago, like a daredevil,
Speaker 1: and that sometimes included spice. But there are times when
Speaker 1: I am extremely uncomfortable eating out at certain places where
Speaker 1: the spice gets involved.
Speaker 2: God, one thing I was thinking about with you, I
Speaker 2: was like, Matt has really gone on this tear about
Speaker 2: how he would any day rather eat at a restaurant
Speaker 2: than anyone's home cooking. Do you are missing out on
Speaker 2: a world of delight and comfort and you know love
Speaker 2: that goes into making food.
Speaker 1: People don't cook for me. They don't cook for me.
Speaker 1: They don't want me to come over in well you.
Speaker 2: They don't cook for you because they're not motivated to
Speaker 2: cook for you.
Speaker 1: Get motivated. I'm available, I'm around. No no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: You have love for a man.
Speaker 2: You've disinvited the notion of someone cooking for you. I
Speaker 2: think that's what you've done. I'm calling you in, babe. Okay, fine,
Speaker 2: you're right, But I did not mean to cut you off.
Speaker 1: That's okay. I didn't feel cut off. I didn't feel
Speaker 1: cut off.
Speaker 2: Okay, I just think for that reason. Ironically, you have
Speaker 2: a comfort with eating. You like to eat what you
Speaker 2: like to eat, and perhaps that is something that is
Speaker 2: corralling you within a certain kind of dining experience, so
Speaker 2: that you are not you maybe are not that adventurous,
Speaker 2: and that's okay. It's okay to not be an adventurous eater.
Speaker 1: First of all, I resent that part of what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I am a very adventurous, adventurosus eater, and I would
Speaker 1: think that you know that because you've frequented many restaurants
Speaker 1: with me. What I am not is a sharer. I'm
Speaker 1: not a share. I don't like to share. I actually
Speaker 1: really don't like a family style situation because I always
Speaker 1: end up not getting a lot. No, that's true. Well,
Speaker 1: you ate at Salas on the Bay in Pete Town.
Speaker 1: I didn't like that sharing situation. I wanted to have
Speaker 1: my own Andre. We we had so many leftovers. It
Speaker 1: was not that you did not end up with that
Speaker 1: much food. It's there was so much food left over.
Speaker 1: It wasn't my preferred thing. Man, Can I tell you
Speaker 1: my preferred thing. I'm about to go create. This is
Speaker 1: big Max and tomatoes all over again. This doesn't make
Speaker 1: any I'm not gaslighting you at all. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: the truth, which is I don't like family style. I
Speaker 1: don't like it. I want we can you know, we
Speaker 1: can share apps, you can have a snip in my drink.
Speaker 1: I want to eat my own entree. I'm sorry. And
Speaker 1: I also say this, I don't like it, and you
Speaker 1: told me your mom does this too. I hate that
Speaker 1: I become like a fourteen year old when my mother
Speaker 1: cuts a big piece of her food and just puts
Speaker 1: it on my plate, and I'm like, don't do that,
Speaker 1: even though it's like only benevolent, why it's not. I
Speaker 1: think it's actually toxically benevolent. Oh my god, toxically benevolent
Speaker 1: title of app.
Speaker 2: Title that my sister and I had so many conversations
Speaker 2: with my mom. We're like, Mom, it's actually it ruins
Speaker 2: the experience.
Speaker 1: It's it's to the point of ruin. No, We're like, Mom,
Speaker 1: we don't.
Speaker 2: We've told you so many it's it's a boundary issue, right,
Speaker 2: We're like decades at this point. Please, before she even
Speaker 2: why do all moms do this? Before she even takes
Speaker 2: a bite, It's because she's she wants to provide. She
Speaker 2: she wants to check the box of providing because that's
Speaker 2: important to her. But Matt, she's cutting three quarters of
Speaker 2: the chicken cutlet and plopping it onto our plates, and
Speaker 2: meanwhile we're eating a whole fucking like yeah, gumbo or something.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like like hypothetically, we are at Papa Doo's famous
Speaker 2: k New Orleans restaurant, New Orleans style restaurant, Cajun restaurant,
Speaker 2: and we're just like, mom, stop. It really came to
Speaker 2: a head at Papa Does in Colorado, we were like, Mom,
Speaker 2: you need to eat your own meal first before you
Speaker 2: share with us. It's not that we are against sharing, right, Well,
Speaker 2: at this point, it's less a thing.
Speaker 1: And this is like a anytime anyone like take the
Speaker 1: mom thing out of it. It's just when you've established
Speaker 1: that you don't prefer a certain thing to happen, and
Speaker 1: it happens, it then crosses over to it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if it's a nice action. You're just not listening to me,
Speaker 1: like I don't want that on my plate. In fact,
Speaker 1: it's not even that I don't want it because I
Speaker 1: don't want to eat it. I want you to eat it.
Speaker 1: So that is what you ordered and I like to,
Speaker 1: like I've been saying, I'm consistent about this. My entre
Speaker 1: is my entree, okay. And you know that because you've
Speaker 1: gotten your grubbers you I can tell you want a
Speaker 1: bite of that, You want a quote unquote bite of
Speaker 1: that often, and you see my face. Is that so wrong?
Speaker 1: But Boen, you know better. You know that I want
Speaker 1: you my food, you order it. Then if you want
Speaker 1: it so bad when you pick something on the menu,
Speaker 1: that's your entre, you have made a commitment to that.
Speaker 1: But you're operating at a lack of knowledge, okay.
Speaker 2: And I'm realizing that as soon as my mom I
Speaker 2: can't believe I'm going here, but as soon as my
Speaker 2: mom is no longer on this earth with me, it
Speaker 2: will be the it will be the thing that I
Speaker 2: mourn the most. I'll be like, I wish my mom
Speaker 2: could PLoP a chicken cutlet onto my plate.
Speaker 1: And we cannot go down this road because I said
Speaker 1: there'd be no crying camping. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I just had to put that out there because that
Speaker 2: immediately watched over me. I go, oh my god, what
Speaker 2: kind of son?
Speaker 1: Am I? No? Yes? And then you start judging yourself
Speaker 1: and getting angry at yourself for getting annoyed. But it's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm annoyed because I was asked a question about something,
Speaker 1: which is do you want a piece of this? I
Speaker 1: said no, thank you, And then and then it always
Speaker 1: is are you sure? And I'm like, yes, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I have all this food in front of me. And
Speaker 1: then well, you know how you know my mother like
Speaker 1: it's always like a conversation with her own self where
Speaker 1: she's like, well, you know, I'm gonna give him a
Speaker 1: little piece, and then she gives me a little piece,
Speaker 1: and I have to get upset on myself because then
Speaker 1: I hear the fourteen year old come out, mom, like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like you become you were? Yeah,
Speaker 1: when was your worst stage? When were you most petulant?
Speaker 1: Teenage petulance? I think it was. It's always high school, right,
Speaker 1: It's usually middle school for me. For me, I had
Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen, I was not cool two people because I
Speaker 1: was not handed myself. That was peak hatred of myself.
Speaker 1: So that you know, you're not pointing out word in
Speaker 1: a good way.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, one's the best diversion of themselves
Speaker 2: at thirteen and.
Speaker 1: That's what contre number eight, number thirteen, actually thirteen. Imagine
Speaker 1: you were Dakota Fanning. Oh stop it, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: She's probably lovely. Now, I just mean, you know, man
Speaker 1: on fire, Oh.
Speaker 2: My god, Man on fire, Man on wire, the way
Speaker 2: we're balancing acting now, we love our moms very much, yes, okay, anyway,
Speaker 2: do you think our moms will be on the Iconic
Speaker 2: for one hundred?
Speaker 1: No? I do, But can I tell you who might be?
Speaker 1: Speaking of moms and the performance of a mom, Joan Chen.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, thank you for bringing this up and
Speaker 2: a half.
Speaker 1: I saw d D And what a movie this was,
Speaker 1: Sean Wang, the director, the creator that you are. This
Speaker 1: was amazing that this was I haven't seen obviously like
Speaker 1: the Compass eighth Grade right like by Bo Burnham. But yes, yes,
Speaker 1: these movies that like get these performances out of these kids,
Speaker 1: these like reed, very emotional, grounded performances from these kids.
Speaker 1: Like it's a genuine journey into what it was like
Speaker 1: to be a millennial in two thousand and seven, like
Speaker 1: a you know, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen year old kid
Speaker 1: around that time, and just the blast from the past
Speaker 1: that was the aim aol instant messenger stuff. I was like,
Speaker 1: we have to talk about this. The soundscape that didning
Speaker 1: bear when someone logs off and the door shuts what
Speaker 1: that It was such a trigger, Like I remember I
Speaker 1: would used to wait for the girls I had crushes on. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: to into the thing, and I would like, you know,
Speaker 1: like have aim conversations with like Summer Babe ninety eight XO.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. And isn't there a whole smarter child
Speaker 2: scene in the movie Oh yeah, certainly is Oh my god?
Speaker 2: That that hit me hard and soft?
Speaker 1: Did you used to talk to a smarter child when
Speaker 1: like you could tell people had it with you same
Speaker 1: and smart child? Like like I remember I one time,
Speaker 1: I think I said to smarter child, I have no friends,
Speaker 1: and and this happens in the movie and smarter child
Speaker 1: was like, well, I'm your friend, smiley face, And it's
Speaker 1: just like Jesus. It was triggering because it's like you
Speaker 1: remember that like instantaneous comfort, but also that feeling of
Speaker 1: despair when you think that that is as big as
Speaker 1: your life is going to get, you know, like being
Speaker 1: in middle school in high school and like when you
Speaker 1: feelly people are mad at you. Or you made a mistake,
Speaker 1: or you messed up, or you know, just like that
Speaker 1: feeling of crushing self hatred and disappointment at that age
Speaker 1: because your life is only as big as your high
Speaker 1: school or whatever.
Speaker 2: The fuck of course, but like we cannot underplay how
Speaker 2: important that moment is. I think just in film, like
Speaker 2: there's a Smarter Child scene. I don't think this is
Speaker 2: the first time we've seen Smarter Child on film and television,
Speaker 2: but there's something about that moment in the movie spoiler alert,
Speaker 2: but there's just we're not spoiling it, but there's just
Speaker 2: like a you know, second act low point for the character. Yes,
Speaker 2: and he in his desperation, in his despair, talks to
Speaker 2: smarter Child. And I'm like, this is something that all
Speaker 2: of us thought was just specific and individual to us.
Speaker 2: It was a thing where I was like, this could
Speaker 2: have only happened to me. But this is being used
Speaker 2: as a plot turning point in a way that is
Speaker 2: supposed to be universal, and like it is like Sean
Speaker 2: Wang being like, I know this has happened to everyone
Speaker 2: who was growing up at that time, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. That's I think that's incredible, the pang of
Speaker 2: a new chat window, like not the not the low xylophone,
Speaker 2: but the like so evocative, so emotional.
Speaker 1: I mean, kudos to whoever to sound designed that for aol,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like going back like that,
Speaker 1: that's forever. Also, there's a moment where my space comes
Speaker 1: into play and the do you remember the top eight,
Speaker 1: top eight? Top even the top eight would eat your
Speaker 1: ass up? I remember there were friends of mine that
Speaker 1: would deliberately fuck with me. Of course I would be
Speaker 1: like number six and then I'd be gone and I'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh is this person on there and not me?
Speaker 1: And just like eight, the number eight was hard because
Speaker 1: you either had four friends or ten friends. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's just like no one ever just
Speaker 1: had like eight friends like that fit neatly in there.
Speaker 1: It was like you either had a few and then
Speaker 1: you had to fill it out, or you had a
Speaker 1: ton and you had to cut people and then what
Speaker 1: do you do? Oh.
Speaker 2: I was definitely like, well I've got these three and
Speaker 2: then the five. The other five are cannon fodder. I
Speaker 2: wasn't thinking in those terms, obviously, but it's like that
Speaker 2: number dictated everything and your place, Like I ate, like
Speaker 2: it's eight is.
Speaker 1: The most is eighth the most important number?
Speaker 2: I think so, oh, and you know Schoolhouse Rock had
Speaker 2: I think the eight song for Schoolhouse Rock was sort
Speaker 2: of the most beautiful and magical and important.
Speaker 1: I don't remember it. Can you perform it?
Speaker 2: It's sung from the point of view of a girl
Speaker 2: who is skating. Okay, that's how it goes. I'm doing
Speaker 2: this from memory.
Speaker 1: Okay, figure eight or.
Speaker 3: Rather four figure four, so rather eight if you skate,
Speaker 3: it would be great if you could make.
Speaker 1: A figure eight.
Speaker 3: One times eight is eight, Two times eight is sixteen,
Speaker 3: Three times eight is twenty four, four times eight is
Speaker 3: thirty two, and five times eight is forty.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The sensation of deal is like I'm being tickled, Like,
Speaker 1: oh no, that was really evocative. No, there's no falsetto.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's that's my falsetto. I thought you metvibrato. No,
Speaker 1: there's no vibrato. But it was a little bit of
Speaker 1: a broad anyway. Besides that point that wild Yes.
Speaker 2: The top eight moment in the film is huge. Did
Speaker 2: you ever put in the code so you could have
Speaker 2: a top sixteen?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I didn't know the code. That's so you coded you
Speaker 1: knowing the code is Bowen coded. No, no, no, that's
Speaker 1: as far as my coding went.
Speaker 2: But like there was like a thing you caught, like
Speaker 2: a thing went around school one day of like, oh
Speaker 2: well Kayla knows like the the HTML so you can
Speaker 2: get a top sixteen. And I remember, oh my god,
Speaker 2: like every white girl having the Ben Folds five cover
Speaker 2: of Bitches ain't ship where I'm sorry, but this man
Speaker 2: is fully singing the un word earnestly like it's it's like,
Speaker 2: this is such.
Speaker 1: A moment in time. Do you want to know what
Speaker 1: my song was? My Space song was the entire time?
Speaker 1: Tell me actually something, this is for memory. No, it
Speaker 1: was never actually something because I could never be that
Speaker 1: outwardly gay, right right. If I die and go to
Speaker 1: hell real soon, it will appeared to me as this
Speaker 1: room and for eternity, I'd lay in bed in my box,
Speaker 1: just half stone, with the pillow under my head. Say anything, bitch, I.
Speaker 2: Think that is the most still identify. No, but can
Speaker 2: I tell you what that signals to me? What you
Speaker 2: were sure of yourself. Maybe you don't feel that way,
Speaker 2: but at least you were like you did not have
Speaker 2: the identity crisis that the rest of us had where
Speaker 2: we were. We were changing our song every other day.
Speaker 2: And I cannot tell you any of the songs that
Speaker 2: I had on because I was I did not know
Speaker 2: who the hell I was, and it just ran the gamut.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll be honest, I knew who I was, and
Speaker 1: I'll tell you who I wasn't. I was not a
Speaker 1: someone who was like ready to come out and put
Speaker 1: behind these das of eyes on there, because that's what
Speaker 1: it would have been, you know what I'm saying, right right.
Speaker 1: But I also was not the kind of person that
Speaker 1: was like gonna put postal service on there. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is boring to me. See that was me such
Speaker 1: great heights was the song. See I didn't get it,
Speaker 1: but I so got this. I can't hear you can't
Speaker 1: hear it, unfortunately, No, wait, let me play it on
Speaker 1: my phone.
Speaker 2: Then I don't think so many zoom like filtering out
Speaker 2: selectively filtering out some other external sounds. It's like sometimes
Speaker 2: we need to hear what's being what the dog is barking.
Speaker 1: I have to tell you the people that are gonna
Speaker 1: come out of the woodwork after I play this, Like,
Speaker 1: I know this is going to connect me with so
Speaker 1: many people could there. You're gonna be triggered in a
Speaker 1: positive way. Ready, And I want to see your face
Speaker 1: when I play.
Speaker 5: It if I go to hell real, so that is
Speaker 5: it will appear to me as.
Speaker 1: This room and four incertity. I'd lay in bed. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, that album was huge. Oh my god. Cold
Speaker 1: her on the phone and she touched herself. Oh my god, bitch,
Speaker 1: that's when I should have been putting out music. So
Speaker 1: I had have no voice today. None of those guys
Speaker 1: that put out music then have any voice today. Like
Speaker 1: where's Ryan Key from Yellow Card? Wow?
Speaker 2: We have wild Away the minute. I'm sorry, I'm just
Speaker 2: looking at the time. Time's fine while we're having fun exactly.
Speaker 1: But yes, I mean just even seeing the MySpace thing
Speaker 1: and seeing the song and everything like that, I was
Speaker 1: like so taken back and that was culture. I mean,
Speaker 1: that was that was the beginning. Yeah, that was the beginning.
Speaker 2: That was when we were in the wild wild West,
Speaker 2: like totally like unsuper like our parents didn't really know
Speaker 2: like what the hell we were up to.
Speaker 1: On the like my dad would sign me in, like
Speaker 1: I member, he would have to come down to the
Speaker 1: downstairs computer, our downstairs desktop and he would sign me
Speaker 1: into AOL and then he would leave right and I
Speaker 1: would be I would be on there all fucking day.
Speaker 1: I'd be in the weirdest chat rooms. Yeah, oh trust me.
Speaker 2: I yeah, It's like it went to bad places in
Speaker 2: those chat rooms.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Remember ASL I would lie, I'd lie.
Speaker 2: Twenty two eight twenty two f Miami, and I would
Speaker 2: fully have cybersex with these men.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Now I would love to read that
Speaker 1: now looking back, like you creating what you think would
Speaker 1: be sexy and hot to hear, like, yeah, I love
Speaker 1: when you touch my boob. Yeah, my dry vagina is
Speaker 1: on your your ass. You didn't even know to call
Speaker 1: it dry. My vagina is getting tickli. I'm starting to
Speaker 1: feel really good in my vaginas pretending to be specially
Speaker 1: active women. I mean, look, all genders rmans.
Speaker 2: So I I really want to point out this moment
Speaker 2: in the movie though, where like, and I think this
Speaker 2: is kind of like the whole thing about that film
Speaker 2: is where it's like he has a crush at school
Speaker 2: and then they strike up this conversation online and then
Speaker 2: she basically says, you're cute for an Asian guy, And
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any scoring. It's just this character
Speaker 2: sitting alone in a silent room internalizing this really important
Speaker 2: formative moment where someone is like flirting with him, paying
Speaker 2: him comblem but like there's an asterisk and it's about
Speaker 2: race and like all this other shit. But it's like
Speaker 2: there's no like filmically, there's like no sound, there's no dialogue,
Speaker 2: he has no response, Like it's just all completely again
Speaker 2: internal And I'm like that is like the millennial experience
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways for everybody, not just Asian people.
Speaker 2: It's like there's something about that where like you are receiving,
Speaker 2: you are letting these emotional moments land with no way
Speaker 2: to displace them, to like transfer them over to something else,
Speaker 2: to like.
Speaker 1: There's no it ends with you.
Speaker 2: You are the final receptacle for that kind of thing
Speaker 2: and it has to fuck you up.
Speaker 1: Like that is a crazy thing. You know, the racial
Speaker 1: hierarchy was such an unchecked given at that time.
Speaker 2: But I'm not even saying that. I'm just saying like
Speaker 2: you probably like had moments online where like someone rejected
Speaker 2: you or someone made you feel like shit.
Speaker 1: Well, yes you, but just to give that moment the
Speaker 1: way that it deserves, which is that it is a
Speaker 1: movie about an Asian kid and an Asian family, and
Speaker 1: he is living his experience as and like basically, you're
Speaker 1: watching this film and you're just watching a kid. You
Speaker 1: of course, you know, you're sitting there and you're you're
Speaker 1: with him. And then he has this moment which is
Speaker 1: this girl says, and there's been nothing negative about this girl.
Speaker 1: You just think she's a sweet kid. They're having a
Speaker 1: sweet conversation and she just comes out and says, you're
Speaker 1: pretty cute foreign Asian. And it's it's, like, like you said,
Speaker 1: it's just presented in the way that it's said, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't even really land on him in like an
Speaker 1: extra way. He just internalizes it and hears it and
Speaker 1: then they move on. Oh, but it's the first moment
Speaker 1: of the movie where you're like, we're really starting to
Speaker 1: see the coming of age wheels start to turn here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's a really I mean, there was amazing scripting,
Speaker 1: it was amazing directing, it was amazing acting. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: what an important moment because yes, while you are correct
Speaker 1: that like everyone based on their own identity receives their
Speaker 1: own microaggressions, Like we saw a formative moment in that
Speaker 1: kid's life that is in many ways like the and
Speaker 1: I hate these two words, but like the why now
Speaker 1: why today of that movie, and that like he's literally
Speaker 1: going through changes. You know, his sister's leaving for school,
Speaker 1: he's gonna go to the high school, and he's now
Speaker 1: interacting with other people in this way that brings in
Speaker 1: the romantic and the sexual when all these kids are forming.
Speaker 1: And this is the idea that she spits out very
Speaker 1: now naturally, which is that I am attracted to you
Speaker 1: despite your limitation in my eyes right, And that is
Speaker 1: really startling and obviously comes from a very real place
Speaker 1: that I know, my entire theater no one was breathing.
Speaker 1: It was a moment that I will remember for sure.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're so right though about this thing of
Speaker 2: like we just move on from it. It doesn't even
Speaker 2: land on him fully or in an extra way. It's like,
Speaker 2: but I think that's kind of like what's being What
Speaker 2: the statement is is that this human being is just
Speaker 2: going to like live the rest of his life with
Speaker 2: that weird pseudo acceptance, not quite acceptance but not quite rejection.
Speaker 2: It's like, what's going on there? I mean, like this
Speaker 2: connects to like my day today. The first thing I
Speaker 2: woke up to on my phone was some fucking idiot
Speaker 2: on scruff. I'm on the apps. You can hit me up.
Speaker 2: I'm you can reach out to me. I'm accessible. But
Speaker 2: some fucking idiot on scruff going, oh my god, Duel Cambooster,
Speaker 2: I love your work. And then what I immediately said to
Speaker 2: him was, dude, that fucking sucks. When I called you dude,
Speaker 2: I'm pissed off.
Speaker 1: I hate dud dude if I call you dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, I was just like, dude, that fucking sucks.
Speaker 2: And then he unferls this huge apology. He was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm so sorry. I should have known better.
Speaker 2: Both you and Joel have like expressed like, you know,
Speaker 2: you guys don't like here and like and I didn't
Speaker 2: even respond and then like and then he ends his
Speaker 2: whole pod being like, anyway, I'm so sorry. You have
Speaker 2: to deal with like mid white guys like me like
Speaker 2: saying stupid shit like this, and I'm like, see.
Speaker 1: Now you're making Now you're making this thing. I have
Speaker 1: to assuage You're like no, no, no, no, no, see here's
Speaker 1: the thing. And oh, the fucking rage when you have
Speaker 1: fucked up, when you have fucked up, and your instinct
Speaker 1: is to then try and create a situation where you
Speaker 1: were the victim. Because you fucked up. You need help
Speaker 1: and I cannot give it to you. Once you've hurt me.
Speaker 1: I don't owe you shit, bitch, period. Oh you shit,
Speaker 1: once you have hurt me, period dot.
Speaker 2: And I know and this is something that this is
Speaker 2: rit small, something that you.
Speaker 1: Know all too well, because I will forgive everyone but myself,
Speaker 1: and no if someone ever like someone approaches you like
Speaker 1: that with that stupid fucking like, whether it's a joke
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, like genuine misconception or joke, it
Speaker 1: doesn't fucking matter. At this point. You fucked up. I
Speaker 1: told you you fucked up, and you knew you fucked
Speaker 1: up because I said the word dude, which I hate.
Speaker 1: And now it's mid white guys like me. You're exactly right,
Speaker 1: and keep it moving. I don't need to now comfort
Speaker 1: you know, like it's over. You mean you did something
Speaker 1: fucked up. You're right, you do, suck, move on, keep
Speaker 1: it moving, go be unhappy over there. I douce to you.
Speaker 2: I did not start this internet conversation with you to
Speaker 2: make you feel bad, even though like like this is
Speaker 2: the thing now, it's like now we kind of know
Speaker 2: how to deal with this, and like you know the
Speaker 2: way the internet works today, but it's like in that movie,
Speaker 2: it's like in the nascent period of the internet, of
Speaker 2: the way that like we were communicating me and no
Speaker 2: idea what the rules were and like what the differences
Speaker 2: were in real life interaction.
Speaker 1: It's like, God, like, thank god, we've come a long way.
Speaker 2: Thank God, I've come a long way personally in my
Speaker 2: life to know to like respond to someone who like
Speaker 2: says something racially stupid like that and be like, dude.
Speaker 1: Just just just have some tact And I don't.
Speaker 2: And I guess tact is subjective, but I'm also like
Speaker 2: maybe it's not like bring back etiquette.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you something? Yeah, if I would approach
Speaker 1: you on the dating app, not me whatever, like some
Speaker 1: some like handsome guy. Let's let's say I'm a little
Speaker 1: bit over perfectly midwife guy ready and I approach you
Speaker 1: on the dating app and this is my opening line,
Speaker 1: what what do you say? Hey? I just want to
Speaker 1: tell you I think you're amazing. I think you're so
Speaker 1: great and so funny, like what about that? And then
Speaker 1: and then it segues into like what are you up
Speaker 1: to like or something like that, just starting a conversation
Speaker 1: so lovely, oh my god, or are you like or
Speaker 1: do you feel perceived in seeing and you're like, oh no.
Speaker 2: I mean it depends, like I just I just don't
Speaker 2: know when someone is like fawning, which is so kind
Speaker 2: of them. I just don't know, like, oh, I just
Speaker 2: don't know if you're flirting with me, and so therefore
Speaker 2: I'll just thank you and then keep it moving.
Speaker 1: That is what's frustrating, right, Like it's like, cause the
Speaker 1: deal is like if you were on a dating app,
Speaker 1: like people they do know who you are, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Because it's like so you don't even
Speaker 1: have the thing of like do they know or do
Speaker 1: they not know? Or are they interested or are they not?
Speaker 1: It's like they know who Bowen Yang is, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it's like it so that first
Speaker 1: interaction is a little bit loaded and on top of
Speaker 1: like the rest of it at rest anyway, which is
Speaker 1: weird being on dating apps. Exactly. It's fine, it's it's
Speaker 1: there's nothing to do about it. Yeah, I don't even
Speaker 1: know what my question is. I'm just saying, make a
Speaker 1: joke to Bonying, especially if it's one that's like.
Speaker 2: Well, don't make a joke to me that's about race
Speaker 2: and about yeah, like don't like because because that's a
Speaker 2: fucking two for because that like makes me feel like shit,
Speaker 2: and it would. And now that I'm even bringing this up,
Speaker 2: it's like, I don't want to like scare people like
Speaker 2: Joel is gonna feel like shit. You know, let's just
Speaker 2: cleanse this conversation and just quickly give Joan Chuen her flowers.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, because I want you to tell me
Speaker 2: what you love about Joone Chuen.
Speaker 1: What I love about Joan Chen. What I love about
Speaker 1: Joan Chen? What an amazing human actor on screen? Like yeah,
Speaker 1: so real, so genuine, so funny, but also very heartbreaking,
Speaker 1: carried a really tough emotion, wait throughout a lot of
Speaker 1: work to do in that performance, playing a woman who
Speaker 1: really every single day does her best. Yeah, until it
Speaker 1: just becomes too much and without saying too much, Like
Speaker 1: there's a breaking point in the movie between mother and son,
Speaker 1: which I just really it's such an important, beautiful relationship,
Speaker 1: The relationship between the mother and a son, especially when
Speaker 1: the son is struggling because there's a lack of knowing,
Speaker 1: but there's a deep understanding and it's just so beautifully
Speaker 1: done in this movie. And yeah, there's a moment of
Speaker 1: humor like the in the car, like you never you
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about, which is just played so well.
Speaker 1: And also you know, to be the adults on set
Speaker 1: working with a child actor and like largely with child's actors,
Speaker 1: Like it's sort of similar to what I was saying
Speaker 1: last week about Coleman Domingo working with people, you know,
Speaker 1: formerly incarcerated men who are in that movie, who are
Speaker 1: non professional actors. It's like, you have to be really
Speaker 1: special talent to make an atmosphere for people that are
Speaker 1: not used to that feel good enough that they can
Speaker 1: not only perform, but excel, to.
Speaker 2: Make it truly horizontal, to make it like everyone's on
Speaker 2: the same level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is my compliment to Joan Chen is how
Speaker 1: incredible that kid's performance was. All of her scene partners
Speaker 1: benefit from being in a scene with her, And I
Speaker 1: just think that if we're talking about supporting performances, like
Speaker 1: I would love to see a performance like this get
Speaker 1: recognition by Awards Bodies. I would love to see it
Speaker 1: go all the way because this is the kind of
Speaker 1: talent that we should be seeing more of. Like, I
Speaker 1: want to see her lead something, you know, I want
Speaker 1: to see her do a million different types of roles
Speaker 1: because even in this you know, archetypical part, there is
Speaker 1: so much dynamic work being done, bringing so much more
Speaker 1: to the page. And she's funny and really heartbreaking and
Speaker 1: she feels like a real mom. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a great piece on her. There's a great
Speaker 2: profile on her Invanity Fair and I think words buzz
Speaker 2: is kind of a thing with this for her, with
Speaker 2: this movie, and this is someone who God, she was
Speaker 2: telling me she directed this film called Shoeshoe The sent
Speaker 2: Down Girl. It's about this program that happened during the
Speaker 2: Cultural Revolution when kids from the city were sent to
Speaker 2: the countryside to like work on to basically like work
Speaker 2: in rural areas, provincial areas, to do like hard labor
Speaker 2: for like a full year. My mom did that, and
Speaker 2: she talks about it like a trauma. It is like
Speaker 2: a traumatic moment in her life. It's a really it's
Speaker 2: a it's a hard to watch film. It's like a
Speaker 2: very like it's very thirty round card to watch, starting
Speaker 2: Tracy Morgan, starting Tracy Jordan.
Speaker 1: They shot it in like Tibet, I want to say.
Speaker 2: And she was just telling us stories on the stead
Speaker 2: of wedding banker, which she was like smuggling film out
Speaker 2: because she was like if the Chinese government sees this,
Speaker 2: like they will not let this movie go like be released,
Speaker 2: and like this is a fucking badass renegade direct, like
Speaker 2: a true renegade. And and I use that word. I
Speaker 2: do not use that word lightly. Yeah, Icon Last Emperor
Speaker 2: Twin Peaks, which is like a big blind spot for us.
Speaker 2: I wis should be Twin Peaks gays. I think maybe
Speaker 2: that's like that's like a thing we should embark on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, I'm interested in becoming a Twin Peaks gad.
Speaker 2: So all Twin Peaks gays are seem seme with it anyway,
Speaker 2: it same with it. But John Chen, I think I
Speaker 2: think there's a renaissance coming she and to say nothing
Speaker 2: of her like I'm sorry, shallow gay nonsense, true beauty.
Speaker 1: She is like stunning, a stunning beauty.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, and she is just incredible in the wedding
Speaker 2: banquet and She is equal parts funny devastating.
Speaker 1: She was the funniest person on set. She is.
Speaker 2: That is a funny motherfucker, Joan Chun And you can
Speaker 2: quote me on that. Right about that. Write that up
Speaker 2: Entertainment Weekly. Okay, anyway, go see Deity in theaters.
Speaker 1: Yeah. There are a million reasons to go see this movie,
Speaker 1: and we've listed just a few of them, but yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta go. I actually ran into Mitra. Mitra was
Speaker 1: there in the in the theater. I believe she loved
Speaker 1: it a lot. Love Mitra.
Speaker 2: We're Mitris dand are mit Mitris Dand Sean Wang, we
Speaker 2: applaud you. Also, yeah, everyone go check out his Oscar
Speaker 2: nominated short documentary Short nine nine and Why Pole, which
Speaker 2: is on Disney Plus. And the grandmother in DEDI is
Speaker 2: his real grandmother who is in the documentary. And it's
Speaker 2: seventeen minutes, so heartwarming, so beautiful, beautifully shop Anyway, that's it.
Speaker 1: I am an official, huge fan and I wanted to
Speaker 1: say two things. The reason I was singing Dreaming by
Speaker 1: Blondie Oh at the top was because I saw the
Speaker 1: most amazing trailer for or a movie I'm so excited
Speaker 1: about called Honora which is Sean Baker. I can't speak
Speaker 1: of another Sean and I love a Sean Baker's movies.
Speaker 1: I fucking love this movie. I loved Red Rocket like wild,
Speaker 1: I love Simon Rex. That movie was fucking crazy. And
Speaker 1: what I want to say is that this trailer fucking
Speaker 1: nailed it with their song choice because it's like a
Speaker 1: deconstructed version of Dreaming by Blondie, which is such an
Speaker 1: incredible song, and we talked about it earlier, but that trailer,
Speaker 1: like that's one of the best trailers I've seen in
Speaker 1: a really long time. And this Mikey Madison girl, she
Speaker 1: might have it all the way. She might have it
Speaker 1: all the way. I'm excited. I'm excited about this movie.
Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be a groundswell for Mikey. I
Speaker 2: think she's gonna be the girl.
Speaker 1: She seems to me like one of the new girls.
Speaker 1: She seems like the Chapelona film. Yes, and you called it.
Speaker 1: I might have to make that a real culture now.
Speaker 1: That might be a real coach. On number forty, Mikey
Speaker 1: Madison is the chap A film. She's about to become
Speaker 1: one of the girls really fast, really fast. So just
Speaker 1: watch for that. And the second thing I wanted to
Speaker 1: say was you mentioned on Disney that there was you know,
Speaker 1: his short and that brings me to I want to
Speaker 1: talk about the D twenty three announcements. Oh so your
Speaker 1: takes Fire and Ash. Let's go first of all, Avatar three,
Speaker 1: Fire and Ash. It's not called the Seed Bearer, maybe
Speaker 1: because they thought it was a little bit it conjured
Speaker 1: up images of breathing too much. But yes, obviously, as
Speaker 1: you know, I don't I don't know about Frozen three.
Speaker 1: I guess we'll see. It really was just like March
Speaker 1: of the Sequels in terms of like what they announced
Speaker 1: in terms of film, I don't care that much. You know,
Speaker 1: what I deeply care about is the theme parks. Yes,
Speaker 1: did you see what they have rolled out? Because you
Speaker 1: need to tell me. Sixty billion dollars are going into
Speaker 1: the the Disney theme parks over the next like several years.
Speaker 1: And this is just a few of the things that
Speaker 1: they announced. Okay, So Disney California Adventure is getting a
Speaker 1: ton of shit, Like they are getting a new Avatar
Speaker 1: world that is going to be based in the way
Speaker 1: of Water and Fire and Ash, which has yet to come,
Speaker 1: but there's going to be a state of the art
Speaker 1: boat ride, which you gotta go on and check out
Speaker 1: this concept art. I mean, the money is, the budget
Speaker 1: is so insane. So the California Adventure, I don't know where,
Speaker 1: but they're getting Avatar. They're also getting a Cocoa boat ride.
Speaker 1: It will be the first Cocoa with theme park attraction. Inducy.
Speaker 1: I love that outside of that, Magic Kingdom is getting cars,
Speaker 1: not radiator springs racers. So just beyond Big Thunder Mountain,
Speaker 1: they're going to do cars. There's gonna be a car's ride,
Speaker 1: and then behind that they are doing a Villain's Land.
Speaker 1: So this is going to like literally at the back
Speaker 1: of the Magic Kingdom. It's gonna be like their answer
Speaker 1: to Dark Universe. I guess I knew it was coming
Speaker 1: because I was like, I know, they're not just gonna
Speaker 1: let Universal just have you know, Darkie, not when Universal
Speaker 1: and not when Disney has like all this, like like
Speaker 1: they're so famous for the villains, like they should do
Speaker 1: something with the villains. So they finally are. Apparently there's
Speaker 1: gonna be one like huge e ticket roller coaster and
Speaker 1: then one ride which may not be as big a
Speaker 1: deal as that, but that incorporates all of the villains.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that Maleficent will factor in big, but that
Speaker 1: is like the last thing on the agenda, and we'll
Speaker 1: see if they even get to it. Like Disney has
Speaker 1: a history, a recent history of announcing a lot of
Speaker 1: things and then bailing on a lot of it, So
Speaker 1: we'll see if any of this even happens. But they
Speaker 1: are saying this is not blue Sky, this is now
Speaker 1: active development, and this includes too. This is the craziest thing.
Speaker 1: This might be you and me coded in Hollywood Studios.
Speaker 1: Toy Story has been such a hit, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a podcast Last Culture to Ride.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: I would love to see Last Culture Thread Culture rid.
Speaker 1: It would be a dueling roller coaster. It'd be a
Speaker 1: dueling launch roller coaster, journey through culture, journey through culture.
Speaker 1: Oh no, these the culture have all been lost. We
Speaker 1: have to go get them. Guys. That's so good. And
Speaker 1: then like you go, no one knows this is part
Speaker 1: of the podcast. It's behind the scenes. But the ride
Speaker 1: launches after Bowen yang on Zoom goes three two and
Speaker 1: then it goes ding do and you zip out. Anyway,
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say is it's so cunty. There's
Speaker 1: a Monster's Inkland with a Monster's Ink suspended roller coaster,
Speaker 1: which is based on you know the scene where they
Speaker 1: go on the doors and they fly through. That's I've
Speaker 1: been waiting for a roller coaster based on that for
Speaker 1: twenty years and they're doing it. They're actually doing it.
Speaker 1: It feels like fan service. I'm like, this is twenty
Speaker 1: years too late, but thank god, because this is that's
Speaker 1: gonna be really good. No, that's gonna be great.
Speaker 2: But also this just just makes me go, Matt Rogers
Speaker 2: needs to enter his Kingdom Hearts era because Kingdom Hearts
Speaker 2: three you go to Monsters, you go to Monsters Inc.
Speaker 2: And Monstropolis, they say, and they're like, writing the doors
Speaker 2: is a whole thing. Yes, I know the feeling of
Speaker 2: writing the doors, not spatially but in video game, which
Speaker 2: is pretty close.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I want to know more. I will look into it.
Speaker 1: So basically, okay, So just to return to California Adventure,
Speaker 1: the Avengers E ticket ride, it's they're finally pulling the
Speaker 1: trigger on that. I guess like they've been threatening for
Speaker 1: years because that Avengers Land Avengers Campus in California Adventure
Speaker 1: feels like it's really missing something because it is. So
Speaker 1: they're getting a huge e ticket that's going to basically
Speaker 1: use like the Multiverse of course, and it's going to
Speaker 1: be like an Avenger's like larger Grand Scheme Marvel ride
Speaker 1: that will probably use like literally everyone. And then outside
Speaker 1: of that anim looking to them, they're going to redo
Speaker 1: the Dinosaurs Land and that's going to be Indiana Jones theme.
Speaker 1: It's going to be themed to Tropical Americas. So there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a Mowana attraction finally, and there's it's like
Speaker 1: an attraction. It's gonna be a Palm Springs attraction. You're
Speaker 1: gonna go sit at the bar of the cow and
Speaker 1: get really tan and drop America. You actually aged sixty
Speaker 1: years in three and a half minutes, and Vicky Gondols
Speaker 1: is sitting outside at a table. Have we ever said
Speaker 1: on the podcast at the time. We went to Tropical
Speaker 1: and Vicki gon Wolson was just there the o g Oz.
Speaker 2: And then we were all Metro was there too, and
Speaker 2: then we were all Stone and then there was an earthquake.
Speaker 1: There was an earthquake.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were at the same restaurant as Vicky gon
Speaker 2: Wolson and when the earthquake hit in Palm Springs.
Speaker 1: Wow, by the way, there was an earthquake just now.
Speaker 1: I know again, No, that's driving it was it's it's
Speaker 1: I never feel them. It's so weird. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I just never feel them. And then I look at
Speaker 1: my my text and my friends are going off like screaming,
Speaker 1: like doing the thing with all caps exation earthquake. Like
Speaker 1: imagine just seeing that and you felt nothing.
Speaker 3: I have it.
Speaker 1: I have a theory. You don't. Oh God, I wish
Speaker 1: I didn't feel sometimes. I think you have shock absorption
Speaker 1: all in the ass. Uh, you're obsessed with my ass lately.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I have to gasp up my sister. You
Speaker 1: really think it's looking good. I work, I work on it.
Speaker 2: I think the butt is taking all of the the earthquake.
Speaker 2: I think you are helping pure Thank God.
Speaker 1: That's why you need. We need to keep me on
Speaker 1: earth because I need I need to sockers. What is it?
Speaker 1: Soak up this absorption with I guess which is now
Speaker 1: as it's it's it's now qualified as dad ass. It's
Speaker 1: not just MAT's ass anymore. It's no dad ass. It's phrase.
Speaker 1: I mean to say nothing of your behind, which I've
Speaker 1: noticed has gotten larger. No, you don't have to We
Speaker 1: don't have.
Speaker 3: To do this.
Speaker 1: See how come you're allowed to do it with me
Speaker 1: and I can't do it with you. Well, I feel
Speaker 1: like you must have felt set up to, you know,
Speaker 1: compliment my ass. Know what happened was we were going
Speaker 1: to Jimmy Kimmel Alive and we were wearing those tracksuits
Speaker 1: and I was walking behind you and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, your ass and because it was popping
Speaker 1: because you had told me about the group bridges.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was the same time I think I
Speaker 2: had previously before you pointed out my ass.
Speaker 1: Day went Matt. No, it was after, I don't think
Speaker 1: so you said something about my ass. Literally, like thirteen
Speaker 1: years ago, we were in rehearsal for pop Roulette, and
Speaker 1: I remember you just threw out there. You were like,
Speaker 1: Matt has the best ass, and I remember being like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like because I had never really heard
Speaker 1: that before. And then years passed and then we were
Speaker 1: walking to Jimmy Kimmel and you made a comment about
Speaker 1: my ass and I was just like, all right, am
Speaker 1: I allowed to compliment.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 1: I think it's great, and it's very encouraging for me.
Speaker 1: It means I would like to continue the group bridges
Speaker 1: and all the work I'm doing at the Great Institution Berries.
Speaker 1: We love you, o Berries. I'm there every day except
Speaker 1: one day. I really shouldn't be doing it every single day,
Speaker 1: but I'm obsessed.
Speaker 2: Everyone has called me in and said, seventy five hart
Speaker 2: is structured exercise and eating disorder, and listen, you might
Speaker 2: not be wrong, but I also I think for now
Speaker 2: it's just laying the groundwork for some healthier choices and habits.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do this for all time.
Speaker 1: So I hear you. I hear you. Listen. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: have to go a little far and then pull it
Speaker 1: back like so I don't. I often don't think it's
Speaker 1: a bad thing, no matter what it is. Like with diet,
Speaker 1: it's always like you could always err on the side
Speaker 1: of your probably being too hard on yourself. But I
Speaker 1: think with any goal setting, it's okay to start in
Speaker 1: a more extreme, loftier goal and then see where you fall,
Speaker 1: you know, like, I think that's better.
Speaker 2: It's shooting for the moon, landing amongst the stars, and
Speaker 2: the diet thing is the thing that I'm the least
Speaker 2: strict on.
Speaker 1: I'm eating very well as you should. So it's okay.
Speaker 1: And guess what. Guess where that goes the ass. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so just think about that a little bit. I wanted
Speaker 1: to say, we had a wonderful time my launch. It
Speaker 1: happens live. We met I had met her before, but
Speaker 1: watching your reaction to britaway Field coming in was so fun.
Speaker 1: You were you were joyful.
Speaker 2: She's everything, She's everything, our our Jessica Rabbit, She's everything.
Speaker 1: Okay. And if you think we didn't get all the
Speaker 1: tea about Rony season two, you're wrong. And guess what,
Speaker 1: Britna is gonna come on the pod. We're gonna figure
Speaker 1: it out for September.
Speaker 2: I we're excited about it that it's happening, and we're
Speaker 2: selective with the housewives just saying.
Speaker 1: Very but that was a moment. That was a moment
Speaker 1: where we were like, I mean, we have to spend
Speaker 1: more time with this woman. We have to. She's just
Speaker 1: mesmerizing and it was real. It's real. Okay, so she's
Speaker 1: coming on. It was very real, like it's giving parv. Actually, yes,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's it. I was, does she remind
Speaker 1: me of It's parv. It's because it's shear, sheer, star
Speaker 1: quality combined with that flirtatious, flirtatious straight woman flirt with us,
Speaker 1: which I love.
Speaker 2: It's not like pandering to like, it's not like not
Speaker 2: at all. First of all, we need to come up
Speaker 2: with a new I think I think this is there
Speaker 2: is a cultural conversation happening right now where everyone's like,
Speaker 2: we need a new term instead of fag hag because
Speaker 2: it's demeaning to both it's avolved.
Speaker 1: I haven't said fag hag in fifteen years. There's just
Speaker 1: got to be a different word that is like Judy. Sure,
Speaker 1: let's say Judy. It's Judy quality. We liked her a lot,
Speaker 1: we liked her a lot, but it's ParvE. It's totally ParvE. Also,
Speaker 1: can I say, usually the Teresa people are are like
Speaker 1: really noxious to me after I'm on watch it happens live,
Speaker 1: because I don't make any qualms about what I think.
Speaker 1: It's very soft this time, because I can tell they're defeated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a fucking look I said, I fully said,
Speaker 2: she has a lobe missing. You sure did, And I'm
Speaker 2: not hearing a peep from these freaks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're all set with our opinion. Also, can I
Speaker 1: say Teresa Judas is a Trump supporter who was married
Speaker 1: to Joe Judaice, so none of us should be surprised
Speaker 1: that Louie is like toxic and horrible, Like this woman
Speaker 1: does not know what it is like to not participate
Speaker 1: in anoxious, toxic, patriarchal culture. It's a failing of the
Speaker 1: environment that she came up in, and I came up
Speaker 1: in a very similar one, so I do have a
Speaker 1: bird's eye on it, Like she is someone she advances
Speaker 1: that she expands that environment. Sorry, actually, yeah, she did
Speaker 1: nothing to curb anything make it better. And now it's
Speaker 1: like now you can even see in this last season,
Speaker 1: like Gia is going to move in with her boyfriend
Speaker 1: right away, and she's like Teresa's like, I just wish
Speaker 1: she'd live alone because I never lived alone. It's because
Speaker 1: like she knows that her life could have been different
Speaker 1: had she maybe stepped out and been you know, her
Speaker 1: own person for a while. Like maybe now she wouldn't
Speaker 1: be literally shriveling, losing weight, anxious, like dying because her
Speaker 1: like a new husband, is dealing with eagle shit left
Speaker 1: and right. Because probably there's something going on there. And
Speaker 1: my big thing too, is it's like, why are we
Speaker 1: so comfortable just calling Louie's X crazy, Like no one
Speaker 1: wants to wonder about why she's has these problems, Like
Speaker 1: no one wants to take all these people coming out
Speaker 1: of the woodwork seriously, like no one thinks no one
Speaker 1: that's team Teresa thinks that there's not something smoke and
Speaker 1: fire about the hole Louis thing like, really, but these
Speaker 1: people are morons? No exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean that is like the classic biggest red flag.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, you're you're dating somewhere, you're with someone,
Speaker 2: and all the ex'es are quote unquote crazy. Me thinks
Speaker 2: not the red flags couldn't be clear, and you hate
Speaker 2: to see it. You hate to see it's red flags.
Speaker 2: It's crimson banners. Sometimes something's bigger than a red flag
Speaker 2: and it's a crimson banner.
Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, those are even harder.
Speaker 1: Clock When something is so crazy that it's beyond a
Speaker 1: red flag, it's a crimson banner, you actually think like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: this can't this, this must be the way that this
Speaker 1: needs to be dealt with because it's so huge, you know,
Speaker 1: what I mean, like, this can't be a red This
Speaker 1: isn't this this is just like a necessary like thing
Speaker 1: I'm putting myself through because it's so crazy. I think
Speaker 1: that's what's happening with Louis. But yeah, it's not like
Speaker 1: little tiny things like oh that's weird the way they
Speaker 1: talk to the waiter, or oh that's weird, like, uh,
Speaker 1: they didn't know this about, you know, someone they're supposed
Speaker 1: to be close to, you know, Oh that's weird. Like
Speaker 1: they a little white lie about this thing that I
Speaker 1: caught them in. That's weird. It's like those are sometimes
Speaker 1: easier to track, and the big things are like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's a big thing.
Speaker 2: Well, the big things for this guy are He's literally
Speaker 2: saying in the finale, I hope Marge's children, his son,
Speaker 2: her son suffers as much as I have suffered. Don't
Speaker 2: wish that upon a fucking kid. Don't wish that upon
Speaker 2: someone who's like of a different generation than It's like,
Speaker 2: don't don't. Just that's fucking wild. Anyway, I don't want
Speaker 2: to talk about these people.
Speaker 1: He's the worst person on television and would love to
Speaker 1: not watch him anymore.
Speaker 2: I'm totally Okay, whatever happens with Jersey, God bless let's
Speaker 2: give this a Viking funeral, shoot our fiery arrow into
Speaker 2: the sky. I did that in my mentally with Potomac.
Speaker 2: I'm like, my life has been a million times better
Speaker 2: without Giselle Bryant and Nashley Darby and all these other
Speaker 2: fucking people.
Speaker 1: Meah, Thornton like, I don't miss these people for shit.
Speaker 2: I mean, the fact is, though they will be back,
Speaker 2: no I know, but it's gonna be in my life.
Speaker 2: I won't be back as long as they're on the show.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I just won't.
Speaker 1: Look.
Speaker 2: There are bad people in that, in that little environent.
Speaker 2: We love all those people and Bravoland, but there are
Speaker 2: people that are concentric circles around that that I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I am not getting anywhere near.
Speaker 1: Y'all say no more, because I learned that the hard way.
Speaker 1: All right, So let's get into I don't think so honey,
Speaker 1: before we actually do that with our life. And I
Speaker 1: have something to say. Okay, this is Matt Rogers. I
Speaker 1: don't think so many as time starts yet, I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey, that Barack Obama actually listens to the
Speaker 1: song three sixty five by Charlie XCX, which he would
Speaker 1: suggest when he put out his Barack Obama summer playlist.
Speaker 1: Barack Obama listened to me maybe von Dutch, maybe three sixty.
Speaker 1: But I do not think that you, Barack Obama. Former
Speaker 1: President Barack Obama listened to three sixty five, and I
Speaker 1: think you need to just pull it back a little bit.
Speaker 1: You really you went too hard, like the intern jumped out.
Speaker 1: I understand, we're having a brat summer. We're all very
Speaker 1: excited about Kamala. You showed your ass there. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I know that you're not listening to that song, which
Speaker 1: is mostly about doing keys and bumps. I just don't
Speaker 1: buy it for you, Barack, and I wouldn't want to.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you who I buy on your list. Lucinda Williams.
Speaker 1: That's who I that's giving me Barack her five seconds.
Speaker 1: I see that I stand as well. Charlie xx's three
Speaker 1: sixty five, maybe vondutche three six five. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: And that's one minute anything Barack and ag Cook the
Speaker 2: dare doesn't really doesn't.
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing it. And that's a very highly curated
Speaker 1: anticipated list like whenever his shit comes out. That's like,
Speaker 1: this is my favorite movies of the year. They always
Speaker 1: make the rounds and I'm like, I've always bought it
Speaker 1: and been like, oh cool until I was not three
Speaker 1: six five by Charlie x X and I was like, no,
Speaker 1: someone on your team said this should be on there.
Speaker 1: You don't like this song. Going back to helanis not authentic.
Speaker 1: I mean, he could never be Alanis. And I say
Speaker 1: this as a Barack fan.
Speaker 2: Read the Status, Status and Culture Book. There's a whole
Speaker 2: thing like it's like it's signaling and the authenticity plays
Speaker 2: into it, and it's like when you spot the inauthentic
Speaker 2: thing like that, it's it's game over, Like we might
Speaker 2: be seeing that.
Speaker 1: I don't know who can mean. I'm telling you. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you. If it was done dutch by, I'd be like, okay,
Speaker 1: if it was grow so confusing, I would be like yes,
Speaker 1: three six five, I don't know. And if someone I welcome.
Speaker 2: Proof, I think readers Katie's public is finalists way and
Speaker 2: yeah we in do we think Barack Obama, the forty
Speaker 2: fourth President of the United States, has like me, listened
Speaker 2: in a ketamine stupor to three six five and understood
Speaker 2: what's going on there.
Speaker 1: I guess that's another thing too, is it's like it's
Speaker 1: so it would suggest he understands that culture in a
Speaker 1: way where I'm like, maybe, how do you Yeah, even
Speaker 1: if you do, I don't want to hear about it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's like I don't need
Speaker 1: to know that Barack. Is that I'm saying. It's like,
Speaker 1: if that's what he thinks, cool? Is it rubbed me?
Speaker 1: I was like, I just don't.
Speaker 2: It's just sometimes it's I felt for a couple of
Speaker 2: years it's been giving Steve Desmy like me and how
Speaker 2: do you do fellow kids?
Speaker 1: How do you do fellow kids? Anyways, this is Bowen
Speaker 1: Yang's I don't think so, honey. Are you ready to go?
Speaker 2: I'm ready to go, and Bowen Yang's time starts now.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, honey. I know there is a
Speaker 2: lego version of Fanny in the Wicked Lego collection that
Speaker 2: it's coming out. I listen, I'm buying it. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: buy it for my nieces and my nephew. But I
Speaker 2: know there was a Fanny lego and it's not being sold,
Speaker 2: and I'm a little hurt. And listen, I'm an ancillary character,
Speaker 2: but I think I look, they're using me in some
Speaker 2: of the trailers. I'm in the Fierro trailer, every trailer
Speaker 2: that I improvised, and I kind of think Fanny's gonna
Speaker 2: is gonna slay and the people are gonna want a
Speaker 2: Fanny lego.
Speaker 1: Trust their to believe.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, I'm gonna I'm gonna advocate for myself
Speaker 2: and gas myself up. Fanny is a fucking legend. I'm
Speaker 2: so proud of I'm so proud of what we do
Speaker 2: with Fanny. I'm laughing because it's just it's funny to say.
Speaker 2: But I would love to see the Fanny lego. Look,
Speaker 2: they did a whole lego Fanny trailer, right, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: they did a whole Lego trailer to like the long
Speaker 2: extended trailer of Wicked and Fanny has there's a Fanny intentionon.
Speaker 1: I know there's a Fanny lego. I would love to
Speaker 1: see the Fanny lego sold in stores. And that's one minute.
Speaker 1: And let me just agree roundly that we need to
Speaker 1: see a lego Boone Yang as Fanny, please, at least
Speaker 1: limited edition, you know what I mean. At least for
Speaker 1: a short time only you know what I'm saying, and like,
Speaker 1: at least produce enough so that people can get them
Speaker 1: as a collector's thing. Who doesn't want a little lego? Bowen,
Speaker 1: are you kidding?
Speaker 2: Funny collector's item me with that cunty little hair and
Speaker 2: glasses like, come on, it's good hair. This is not masturbatory.
Speaker 2: It's just like, I think that would be a fun lego.
Speaker 1: I think it will be great. Come on, I think
Speaker 1: it will be great. By the way, that was a
Speaker 1: good trailer, and I had been waiting for more. Johnny
Speaker 1: the character triggers me. Serrao triggers you. Wait, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't like that kind of guy. I don't know. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: he's I read for please, I did read for that part.
Speaker 1: You did read, but you don't like don't like that guy.
Speaker 1: Don't like that guy fiero. He's up to he gets
Speaker 1: his come up and he sure straw turns the straw
Speaker 1: like all narcissist should No, I'm sure, I'm sure it'll
Speaker 1: be wonderful. Uh looks good. That's good. That should be.
Speaker 1: You know the drink your milk shirt? I have the
Speaker 1: drink your milk shirt. Me too, Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Josh should wear it when john comes on the Johnny
Speaker 1: of course, when Jonathan comes on the podcast, we should
Speaker 1: wear it.
Speaker 2: We definitely shouldn't anyone who is out there playing Final
Speaker 2: Fantasy fourteen britis Kase's help us finalists who play Final
Speaker 2: Fantasy fourteen. I do think there should be a subgroup
Speaker 2: of gamers. I say, no, You're all are out there
Speaker 2: because we're connecting. So Jonathan Bailey does a voice in
Speaker 2: Final Fantasy fourteen. Oh fun as Grahatia, the Prime cat
Speaker 2: Boy the Crystal exarc, and he's so good in it,
Speaker 2: and I literally like massive, wonderful actor. But like the
Speaker 2: dialogue in that game is like Shakespearean, It's beautiful. But
Speaker 2: one day after we react, I was like Jonathan, Johnny
Speaker 2: as I call him, I said, I have to commend
Speaker 2: you beg and I was like, I have to implore
Speaker 2: you because they every two years they come out with
Speaker 2: expansions and it's like more and more story and it's
Speaker 2: like it's like a TV show basically, And I'm like, Johnny,
Speaker 2: you have to keep voicing Grahatia for as long as
Speaker 2: you are working, for as long as they ask you,
Speaker 2: because it is some of your best work. Anyway, what
Speaker 2: did he say? He said, all right, don't really know
Speaker 2: what it is. I just but I read the dialogue
Speaker 2: and it's amazing.
Speaker 1: But I think.
Speaker 2: We will ask when Jonathan Bailey comes on Last Coach,
Speaker 2: there will be a dedicated section about Final Fantasy fourteen
Speaker 2: and all the cat Boy lovers will be very happy.
Speaker 1: And he is coming on. We're gonna have many people
Speaker 1: from the cast of Wicked, if you can believe, we
Speaker 1: have vested interest in that movie's success, and we will
Speaker 1: make all the help exceeds. We will make sure it
Speaker 1: makes back every dollar of the budget. We are going
Speaker 1: to make sure that Wicked makes it over the hill.
Speaker 1: Trust it and believe. And it starts with Johnny Bailey
Speaker 1: on the podcast and more to come and more to
Speaker 1: come if you can kind of guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this has been another episode of Lost Culture's Tests
Speaker 2: and a little teaser for Iconic four hundred, which I
Speaker 2: think we should get to work on, which is not
Speaker 2: to say, oh, I'm just kidding. The list is already locked.
Speaker 2: We know the entire list already, and we will be
Speaker 2: revealing that in the coming weeks, won't we for sure?
Speaker 1: And that's something we can do remotely, so, but we're
Speaker 1: going to be together actually shortly. Oh we just talked
Speaker 1: about how we're not going to be together, but we
Speaker 1: are going to be together for like two weeks. Did
Speaker 1: you know that. Let's figure something out because you're coming
Speaker 1: to La, then we're going to Fire Island, and then
Speaker 1: I'm going to be in New York. So we're together
Speaker 1: a lot bit actually working hard to bring you guys content.
Speaker 1: In fact, we're working very hard. This is a very
Speaker 1: fruitful time and we are taking advantage of it trying
Speaker 1: to write some wrongs. Oh well, we end every episode
Speaker 1: of the song No One mourns the weeked.
Speaker 3: Wacked.
Speaker 1: We look for that one on November twenty seventh, twenty second,
Speaker 1: twenty second. Oh they changed it. They changed it. They
Speaker 1: moved Ariana I think said twenty seventh on Hot Ones. No,
Speaker 1: she said, twenty second, twenty second.
Speaker 2: Really hold on, let's say no, no, hold on November
Speaker 2: twenty second, because they moved it up so that it's
Speaker 2: like Wiki eight.
Speaker 1: And now it's clicked. No, is it wicked? Eier? It
Speaker 1: needs to be clicked.
Speaker 2: Okay, click it, click it, Jimmy glicked Bye bye last
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