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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back George Noy here with Harvey Koupernick. As

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Speaker 2: we're talking about the music world. Harvey, the technology, we

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Speaker 2: were talking about the point where it is today with

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Speaker 2: streaming and downloading. Is that better or worse than what

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Speaker 2: it was, let's say in the fifties.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's way better because there's kind of a level

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Speaker 3: playing field that has been established where economics aren't determining

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Speaker 3: like the best seats or who can get into the concert.

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Speaker 3: It's available for everybody and if you want, if you

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Speaker 3: want to keep listening to your favorite groups, or if

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Speaker 3: you want to discover new groups. And the disc jockey

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Speaker 3: and the programmers are becoming more important again as they

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Speaker 3: veer away a bit from some of these syndicated, you know,

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Speaker 3: shows with strict playlists and all that. There's a uniqueness

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Speaker 3: of disc jockeys and people sort of introducing us to

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Speaker 3: new music. But they're also co reliant on the music

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Speaker 3: that comes from the past. But I also think what's

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Speaker 3: going on is we're also seeing the renaissance or the

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Speaker 3: growth of the music documentary. Currently on HBO, they're showing

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Speaker 3: David Bowie's moon Age Daydream, which you know, there's songs

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Speaker 3: like Life on Mars and Starman, or there's a Donna

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Speaker 3: Summers documentary. I'm currently involved in a documentary about the

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Speaker 3: legendary recording studio gold Star with a terrific director, Christopher Allport.

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Speaker 3: And there's just all kinds of documentaries that truly are

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Speaker 3: going behind the music and giving us, you know, rare

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Speaker 3: clips and also interviews with the witnesses or the principles

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Speaker 3: that are still with us, like your friend Pat Boone

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Speaker 3: at what age eighty eight? Still visible? He still can

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Speaker 3: tell a story, He has incredible recall. I say treasure

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Speaker 3: and respect these people because they're walking history. And I

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Speaker 3: think the streaming and the downloading and the record stores

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Speaker 3: are still active, and there are things like Record Store

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Speaker 3: Day or National Record Store Day, which I think is

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Speaker 3: twice a year now in Black Friday. People are lining

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Speaker 3: up to buy vinyl and rare cuts and unreleased material.

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Speaker 3: I think the music business has never been healthier, especially

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Speaker 3: the concert business, although I do think the ticket prices

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Speaker 3: really making it kind of price prohibitive for a lot

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Speaker 3: of passionate music fans. But I think the best is

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Speaker 3: yet to come.

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Speaker 2: I think so too. It is truly remarkable, though, what's

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Speaker 2: been going on? What about the singers when you let

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Speaker 2: the think back of the singers of the old days,

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Speaker 2: the Sinatras, the Bobby Darren's and then the great groups

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Speaker 2: like the Beatles, the Beach Boys and groups like that.

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Speaker 2: Do we have that anymore today?

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Speaker 3: We do? Although I was talking to this incredible musician

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Speaker 3: named Don Peak, who has played on all the Phil

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Speaker 3: Spector sessions, and he played with the Beach Boys, and

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Speaker 3: from nineteen sixty one to nineteen sixty three he was

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Speaker 3: the guitarist in the Everly Brothers group. Just say that

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Speaker 3: to yourself, the Everly Brothers nineteen sixty one to nineteen

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Speaker 3: sixty three. And I recorded him yesterday, six years ago,

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Speaker 3: Mike Yes, And I said to him, you know, I

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Speaker 3: was listening to some music with sher singing, and I

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Speaker 3: was listening to some Carol King stuff that Lou Adler produced,

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Speaker 3: and Don Peek said to me, listen a lot of

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Speaker 3: the singers today they're really good, but their music or

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Speaker 3: the recordings are informed or helped by things like auto

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Speaker 3: tuning and the singers back then, thirty forty fifty sixty

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Speaker 3: They're recording live. There's very little overdubbing, and they didn't

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Speaker 3: have technology that could improve. It's almost like booster shots

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Speaker 3: there could you have to It has to be in

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Speaker 3: the track and move you or it doesn't work. And

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Speaker 3: so the singers back then, when you hear Sinatra, or

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Speaker 3: you hear you hear even Tony Bennett, you realize, boy,

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Speaker 3: these things are ed ames who just left us. Hear

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Speaker 3: you hear a purity in the vocal because it's not

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Speaker 3: crowded a lot by many tracks and samples and other

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Speaker 3: kind of you know things crowding the action. But you

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Speaker 3: know there's there's room for everybody. But we want the

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Speaker 3: real singers. We we meaning not just me, all of

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Speaker 3: us who pay money to see a show or collect them.

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Speaker 3: We want to be touched by the pure natural timber

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Speaker 3: of somebody's voice. And sometimes I think we're because you

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Speaker 3: have to give people a show. Now on stage, all

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Speaker 3: kinds of dancers smoke bombs and listen. That's part of theatrics.

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Speaker 3: David Bowie, Alice Cooper. People have sort of always done that.

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Speaker 3: But somehow when you hear a Sinatra, or you hear

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Speaker 3: Assignment and Garfunkel, maybe just with a guitar, something happens

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Speaker 2: What about the orchestras now, Harvey, the people who knew

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Speaker 2: how to play saxophones and trumpets and stuff like that, Well,

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Speaker 2: are the young kids learning that still?

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Speaker 3: Well? I have a whole theory that sometimes in lectures

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Speaker 3: national as well. The music of the arts programs were

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Speaker 3: cut a lot over the last five, ten, fifteen, twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five years. There used to be lots of glee

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Speaker 3: Timmy Buro, phil Spector and Andre Previn, you had that lineage.

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Speaker 3: You have these things. I don't know if it exists

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Speaker 3: as much. And the orchestras have sometimes on stage or

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Speaker 3: on record now are being replaced by synthesizers and other

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Speaker 3: session player, keyboardist, arranger. He's on so many records it's ridiculous,

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Speaker 3: including Bridge or Trouble Water and all the Specter dates.

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Speaker 3: When the first synthesizers arrived, maybe in the late sixties

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Speaker 3: and he said, listen, these synthesizers are going to put

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Speaker 3: arrangers and orchestras out of work. Why don't we kind

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Speaker 3: drum machines kind of came in and replaced a lot

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Speaker 3: so the orchestras have. If they haven't been reduced, they've

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Speaker 3: You still get some groups built tour, maybe with an

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Speaker 2: The Ed Sullivan show. He made some of the greatest artists.

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Speaker 2: He made Elvis, he made the Beatles.

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Speaker 3: I mean, well, listen, let me just say something. And

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Speaker 3: I don't want to get into a rock and roll

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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame spiel. Ed Sullivan's not in the rock

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Speaker 3: and roll Hall of Fame. Closed you and I know

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Speaker 3: the impact the vision he had. He treated rock and

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Speaker 3: and the stage sets were great. I'm just so glad.

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Speaker 3: A lot of the material of Ed Sullivan, the catalog

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Speaker 3: that Sofa is made available digitally, and there's many compilations

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Speaker 2: I mean, he was as stiff as a bored as

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Speaker 2: a talent himself, but I mean the group.

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Speaker 3: I like the fact that he was sort of like

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Speaker 3: a Matre de ator restaurant kind of Yeah. Yeah, there

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Speaker 3: was a robotic stiffness action to him. But listen, he

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Speaker 3: started as a newspaper columnist. He was on the beat.

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Speaker 3: And I sometimes our hosts on TV are so slick

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Speaker 3: When you see Ed Sullivan, the action stops because who

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Speaker 3: here are the rolling Stones, here are the Beatles, her

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Speaker 3: and all of a sudden he at least him and

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Speaker 2: Are you familiar with Louis Prima?

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Speaker 3: Are you kidding? I met Keeley Smith.

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Speaker 2: She was a great singer, well she I saw.

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Speaker 3: Las Vegas, and that was Tina Turner type energy too.

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Speaker 2: They were Vegas before Sinatra was were They.

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Speaker 2: And she had that certain look about her, that pouty look.

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Speaker 3: Come on, And I just think, you know, people like

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Speaker 3: of these people as a kid, and I even saw

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Speaker 2: The great times. I mean, but would these guys were

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think three cord of these people could never

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Speaker 3: on his vocal. I mean, now it's how what's your streaming?

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Speaker 3: If you're verified with your fan club. I understand popularity

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Speaker 3: shadow people too. But I don't think right now, especially

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Speaker 2: But you's always drove music because I remember even when

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Speaker 2: old Pat Boom was singing back in those days as

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Speaker 3: Part of that is marketing. Part of that was the

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Speaker 3: we've gone a little deeper than that, where the haircut guys, well,

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Speaker 3: Bobby right now was fantastic, but the guys with the

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Speaker 3: been a youth driven market, whether it be teen dance

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Speaker 3: shows or or you know, exposures. You know, in various

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Speaker 3: merchandise stuff, whether it be T shirts or bubble gum,

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Speaker 3: that always exists except right now, Like my friend Gary

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Speaker 3: strobel tonight is seeing Judy Collins at age eighty eight.

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Speaker 3: At age eighty eight, she's doing a concert. I just

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Speaker 3: think that's great that she's out there doing those things

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Speaker 3: and she still has a lot of guests still in

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Speaker 3: the tank. And people want to hear songs, they want

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Speaker 3: to hear singers, they do want to hear all kinds

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Speaker 3: of other music. So we have there's plenty for everybody.

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Speaker 3: So I think the future is, you know, really bright,

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Speaker 3: but a song or a good tune when when you

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Speaker 3: get exposed to it. Even in a supermarket or a

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Speaker 2: And it's good.

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Speaker 3: And that shows the durability, you know, of the audio

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Speaker 2: Do you hear, Harvey about Tony Bennett? How's she doing?

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Speaker 3: but he's sort of retired and there's you know, he's

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Speaker 3: done his nine most right ninety three. I think has

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Speaker 3: got some medical conditions that are kind of prohibiting him

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Speaker 3: from performing again. But his legacy is intact, and the

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Speaker 3: records he did with Bill Evans on piano or Ralph Sharon,

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Speaker 3: He'll be around, and I will say, people like Lady

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Speaker 3: Gaga and I'd like to see more of this. Lady

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Speaker 3: Gaga on him, did an award winning together, and you know,

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Speaker 3: I remember.

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Speaker 2: That she was so respectful of him.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and I remember, and this will speak to your

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Speaker 3: Michigan roots. Forty years ago, when I was a record

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Speaker 3: executive at MCA Records, I made the bold decision to

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Speaker 3: put Tom Petty in the Heartbreakers for them to do

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Speaker 3: a record in an album with Del Shannon Wow from Michigan,

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Speaker 3: and that record did get made, and I had a

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Speaker 3: credit on an Organic Catalyst and now I'm a consulting

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Speaker 3: producer and a Del Shannon documentary. So when the old

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Speaker 3: and the new or the current people embrace the elders,

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Speaker 3: we get something from that. And I'd like to see

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Speaker 3: that continue where the new people not. You know, Bonnie

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Speaker 3: Rayett used to put blues singers on as her opening

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Speaker 3: acts at her concerts. I'd like to see some of

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Speaker 3: that stuff instead of the usual machinations and all the

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Speaker 3: other game that have to be played.

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Speaker 2: Did you know an old friend of mine who passed

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Speaker 2: on Russ Reagan?

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Speaker 3: Are you kidding? Russ Reagan is my mentor. He told me, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, founded the Beach Boys, he.

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Speaker 3: Gave them their name. He signed Elton John to MCA Records.

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Speaker 3: He signed the Strawberry.

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Speaker 2: Alarm clock Neil Diamond.

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Speaker 3: And I remember Russ and I would have a lunch

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Speaker 3: every six months for thirty years, and I wrote I

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Speaker 3: wrote his I'll call it an obituary. It was really

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Speaker 3: a tribute to him. And his daughter called me crying

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Speaker 3: on the phone, and I'm so aware, and again he

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Speaker 3: should be in the rock and roll Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: He said, I was responsible for a billion dollars worth

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Speaker 3: of retail sales of all the people he signed. That's amazing,

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Speaker 3: isn't that amazing?

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Speaker 2: He was He was a giant. He was as a giant,

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Speaker 2: and he was.

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Speaker 3: He just and he just had ears. He understood songs,

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Speaker 3: he understood records, he understood he understood trends. And he's

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Speaker 3: the guy in the mid eighties or late eighties gave

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Speaker 3: a speech at the convention and said, they'll come a

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Speaker 3: time one day where you go to a concert and

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Speaker 3: you'll be able to leave with the recording of that

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Speaker 3: concert the same night.

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Speaker 2: And he was right.

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Speaker 3: He was right.

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