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Speaker 2: This is it could happen here. Executive Disorder, our weekly
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Speaker 2: and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today.
Speaker 2: I'm joined by James Stout and Robert Evans. You are
Speaker 2: this week, we are covering the week of March twenty
Speaker 2: to March twenty six.
Speaker 3: Short week because we did a late recording last week.
Speaker 2: Yep, we did, so it's it's minus one day if
Speaker 2: my math is correct. It's been a hard week for
Speaker 2: any of us because we all really care about group
Speaker 2: chats and group chat security is super important, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: to kind of anyone involved in politics, and whenever we
Speaker 2: see a breach of this magnitude, it's really a warning
Speaker 2: and like a threat to all of us. So it
Speaker 2: has it has been. It has been a tough week.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like a threat to one is a threat to all.
Speaker 4: So like that's way I see it. Any group chat
Speaker 4: that gets compromised.
Speaker 2: First they came for whovps group, that's right.
Speaker 5: Next they're gonna come.
Speaker 4: Be any of us, could be any of us, Jeffrey
Speaker 4: Goldberg could be lurking in your small group that's you
Speaker 4: and your girlfriend talking about what kind of pizza do order?
Speaker 4: He could be there reporting for the Atlantic. You wouldn't
Speaker 4: know unless you like looked at who was in there
Speaker 4: and saw his name, then you would know. Which is
Speaker 4: true of all of the people in the hoothy PC
Speaker 4: small group.
Speaker 5: I guess it is actually pretty easy. You didn't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe Giffrey Goldbug's signal name is like like Cia
Speaker 3: Superspy or something, and everyone just assumed you along there.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna start at the beginning because I do assume
Speaker 4: that actually, like as impossible as it sounds to those
Speaker 4: of us who like wake up and imbibe fucking social
Speaker 4: media in the morning like an addict takes their first
Speaker 4: hit of crack cocaine, but in a way that's less
Speaker 4: healthy for both our hearts and our brains. A decent
Speaker 4: number of people who listen to this podcast have just
Speaker 4: kind of like heard vaguely like some bits about this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're wondering what the fuck we're talking about?
Speaker 4: What are you doing? What are you guys doing? So
Speaker 4: we're going to talk about this group chat. So first off,
Speaker 4: couple of basics. So Signal is an app that is
Speaker 4: end to end encrypted. That means that if you have
Speaker 4: signal and your buddy has signal, and you're messaging each other,
Speaker 4: it's encrypted, and it is very hard at this point
Speaker 4: unless one of your phones is directly compromised by a
Speaker 4: nonstate actor or an x who's really good with the computers,
Speaker 4: no one else can see what you're messaging each other.
Speaker 4: So if you and a friend are like planning what
Speaker 4: to order on fucking grub Hub tonight when you go
Speaker 4: play Super Smash Brothers or whatever, you can keep that secret.
Speaker 4: Or if you and a friend are planning what substances
Speaker 4: to buy that the government might not want you buying,
Speaker 4: you can keep that secret. Or if you and your
Speaker 4: friend simply don't want various media companies taking every detail
Speaker 4: and phone carriers taking every detail of your life's conversations
Speaker 4: and turning that into analytics data, you can stop them
Speaker 4: from doing that. And if maybe one day you might
Speaker 4: be engaged in speech that the government might not like,
Speaker 4: you can continue to age in that speech privately without
Speaker 4: danger or with less danger, yeah, or with with as
Speaker 4: little danger as it is possible to do.
Speaker 2: Especially if your messages automatically explode after anywhere between five
Speaker 2: seconds to one week, right, which is a feature signal has.
Speaker 4: Yes, you can automatically set it to delete stuff over
Speaker 4: a period of time you want to. If you're going
Speaker 4: to use it, turn off the thing where it like
Speaker 4: pushes messages so that you can like see visible notifications.
Speaker 3: So yeah, not if you.
Speaker 4: Turn them off, because that's a that that'll function.
Speaker 2: Up because then your operating system can read the messages
Speaker 2: without the encryption. Similarly, never open a QR code.
Speaker 5: This is the yes.
Speaker 2: Really the only way that Signal can can get compromised
Speaker 2: on like scale right now beyond like physical infiltration right
Speaker 2: like what accidentally happened with who the PC spell group.
Speaker 5: But the main other way.
Speaker 2: That Signal can get compromised is through malicious QR codes
Speaker 2: and unknown links. So really be careful about links as
Speaker 2: always on the Internet, and especially be skeptical of QR codes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's a quote from Herman Garring, I think
Speaker 4: it was from Herman Gehring. When I hear the word culture,
Speaker 4: I reach for my revolver. And I have adapted that
Speaker 4: gearing quote to the modern era. When I hear QR code,
Speaker 4: I reach for my clock nineteen.
Speaker 3: That's right. Do not use crew argots yeah, the work
Speaker 3: of Satan. Let's explain what who these PC small group
Speaker 3: is for the people. Well, I'm getting to it. So
Speaker 3: you've got you've got this app which is normally used
Speaker 3: by and has been used for a long time by
Speaker 3: like protesters and dissidents and journalists to communicate with sources
Speaker 3: because it's very secure. The Trump administration takes office, one
Speaker 3: thing that they are annoyed about is that when you
Speaker 3: are government employees, even if you're doing top secret shit,
Speaker 3: especially if you're doing top secret shit, the kind of
Speaker 3: meetings about national security planning for like military actions that
Speaker 3: you are supposed to only have in something called a skiff.
Speaker 3: And a skiff is basically a room in.
Speaker 4: You know, the West Wing, I think, or the Pentagon, right,
Speaker 4: I'm not one hundred percent sure where all the skiffs are,
Speaker 4: but it's like a room that is incredibly secure, and
Speaker 4: it is the the only place that you are supposed
Speaker 4: to have certain kinds of conversations. And in fact, if
Speaker 4: you are having one of those kinds of conversations in
Speaker 4: a skiff, no one, not even the president or the
Speaker 4: vice president, is allowed to have a phone in there.
Speaker 4: It is a very strict rule. You don't take phones
Speaker 4: into the skiff because none of them are fucking secure. Now,
Speaker 4: the problem is all these communications, all of this stuff
Speaker 4: is documented and potentially foiaable. Maybe not immediately because there's
Speaker 4: always security concerns. They have the ability to redact stuff,
Speaker 4: but in twenty years perhaps, but at some.
Speaker 3: Point, yeah, it might be archived even if it's not flable.
Speaker 4: People who are in charge of our military now didn't
Speaker 4: like that and were like, hey, what if we all
Speaker 4: just did it through a single group, and they did
Speaker 4: to plan for an attack that started March fifteenth against
Speaker 4: the Hoothys. Now you will remember the hoothis from the
Speaker 4: episode James and I did. I mean from other stuff too,
Speaker 4: because they're all over the news.
Speaker 5: You know, the Hoothy stuff.
Speaker 4: James and I did an episode recently about it regular
Speaker 4: naval warfare, and you check it out. That's all still
Speaker 4: pretty relevant.
Speaker 5: Better known for their other work, yeah, better.
Speaker 4: Known for their other work. The Biden administration was like,
Speaker 4: we can probably take care of these guys with air strikes,
Speaker 4: and it didn't really work. And the Trump administration was like,
Speaker 4: we can do a better job of taking these guys
Speaker 4: out with air strikes, and at this point it's too
Speaker 4: early to say if it worked or not, but I'm
Speaker 4: gonna guess probably didn't.
Speaker 5: Probably not, just generally given the history.
Speaker 4: Maybe they say they killed a lot more high value
Speaker 4: targets and top missile guys.
Speaker 3: The main missile guy quote.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm not I don't know. I'm not
Speaker 4: privy to the information they're working off of or how
Speaker 4: much it matters at this point.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: So we'll see, you know, in that signal chat, Rob,
Speaker 4: I'm not in that signal chat they have, not accidentally.
Speaker 2: I'm in too many signal chats, frankly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I could be, and I might not know.
Speaker 5: Ye, we all are in too many.
Speaker 3: I might be in several government ones and be totally
Speaker 3: unaware of it because there's too many notifications on my.
Speaker 5: F that shit's mute and I'm not seeing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So they decide we're going to plan an attack on
Speaker 4: some Hoothi's. We're gonna be hitting them with stuff, and
Speaker 4: we should probably all get we need to get all
Speaker 4: of these different kind of people from different chunks of
Speaker 4: the you know, the government together. So we got to
Speaker 4: have JD. Vance and his representative because usually Vance is
Speaker 4: too busy to respond, and we got to have the
Speaker 4: Defense Secretary Pete hegg Zeth and his representative. We've got
Speaker 4: to have the d n I Toulci Gabbard her representative.
Speaker 4: Weve got to have the head of the CIA his
Speaker 4: represent you know that kind of thing. There's a few more
Speaker 4: people in there, Mark Rubio, Mark Rubio, right, Sex State,
Speaker 4: you know, and his representative Rvian Miller, Steven Miller. I
Speaker 4: don't know that Miller had a representative. He feels like
Speaker 4: he handles a lot of this stuff on his own,
Speaker 4: but yeah, on his phone too much Steven Miller.
Speaker 5: Yeh, chronically online Steven Miller.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you have you have the head of I
Speaker 4: think Sincom was in there. Anyway. You got all these
Speaker 4: people in there, and while they're setting this up, all
Speaker 4: the invites are going out. Because the way you do
Speaker 4: it with Signal is you click a button that says
Speaker 4: like start a new group. You name the new group.
Speaker 4: In this case, they named the group HOOVPCS right, and uh,
Speaker 4: what does PC stand for?
Speaker 2: In this politically correct? Which, honestly I thought that we
Speaker 2: were over.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'd think so, huh, don't Sandy slurs in the
Speaker 3: group chat that says what. It's just a reminder.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no slurs in the small group chat.
Speaker 3: Planning committee, I'm guessing, yeah.
Speaker 4: Planning committee. Who the planning committee, small group. Sorry, I
Speaker 4: had that written down somewhere. So they make this group
Speaker 4: chat and they invite a bunch of people. And here's
Speaker 4: one of the ways signal works is that, like, if
Speaker 4: you're just importing your contacts in the signal, it'll find
Speaker 4: the guys who have signal and it'll just like show you,
Speaker 4: based on whatever your name you have for them in
Speaker 4: their phone right that they're on signal, and you can
Speaker 4: just invite them. Otherwise, you can set what your signal
Speaker 4: name is going to be, and so when people type
Speaker 4: in your phone number or whatever, they'll see that, or
Speaker 4: if you send them an invite, that's the name they'll see.
Speaker 4: And this brings us. I got to take an aside
Speaker 4: to talk about a guy who is not a member
Speaker 4: of the Trump administration and who is not a member
Speaker 4: of government, a man named Jeffrey Goldberg born in nineteen
Speaker 4: sixty five. He is currently the co editor of the Atlantic.
Speaker 4: Prior to this, he had what some people would call
Speaker 4: an illustrious career. He grew up in Malvern and long
Speaker 4: Eye and I'm Maulvin. Yeah, I'm looking at his wiki here,
Speaker 4: which just has the line that his neighborhood was mainly
Speaker 4: Catholic and he described it as a wasteland of Irish pagramists.
Speaker 3: Oh he had a fun childhood, So okay, interesting, interesting
Speaker 3: Jeffrey fascinating stuff there. Interesting.
Speaker 4: So after college or kind of while he's in college,
Speaker 4: he leaves and he goes to Israel because he wants
Speaker 4: to serve in the IDF during the Infata, the first
Speaker 4: one as a prison guard Jesus Christ, which is where
Speaker 4: Palestinian participants in the Intefub were being held. And yeah,
Speaker 4: he he had like an interesting conversation with this PLO
Speaker 4: leader who is also like a math teacher, who I
Speaker 4: guess they were able to like discuss their Zionism or
Speaker 4: whatever in some way that he found useful anyway, weird guy.
Speaker 4: Not I bring this up to be like not a
Speaker 4: left wing radical.
Speaker 5: Like not one of quote unquote to our guys.
Speaker 4: One of our guys. Not a guy who's probably broadly
Speaker 4: opposed to most of and in fact to most of
Speaker 4: what the Trump administration is.
Speaker 5: Doing over especially the air strikes.
Speaker 4: Frankly, yes, now he has pissed off It's fair to
Speaker 4: say he has really pissed off Trump a number of times, right,
Speaker 4: because he wrote some articles. He wrote that twenty twenty
Speaker 4: article in the Atlantic about when Trump said got caught
Speaker 4: saying that Americans who died in wars are losers and suckers. Yes,
Speaker 4: which is you know, based on sourcing that he had.
Speaker 4: So he's also attracted their ire. But he's again generally
Speaker 4: I would say, like more on the bootleoker east side
Speaker 4: of things, Like he's just kind of like a NATSEK cheerleader, right,
Speaker 4: that that would be a fair way to describe Jeffrey.
Speaker 4: I don't know that he would entirely disagree with that
Speaker 4: description of himself.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like a neo lobe guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that said, he's not so much of one that
Speaker 4: he's unwilling to report critical stuff, which is what happens here.
Speaker 4: So he gets an invite on his phone that it
Speaker 4: just takes him into this PC hoothy small group and
Speaker 4: people have done the work. There's another guy in the
Speaker 4: Trump administration whose initials are.
Speaker 5: JC John Greenbrier I believe, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think it was John Greenbrier and the person who
Speaker 4: because there was some debate initially about like who invited him,
Speaker 4: because after this came out, there were allegations that he
Speaker 4: snuck his way in or whatever. We now know based
Speaker 4: on the evidence that he was inadvertently invited by National
Speaker 4: Security Advisor Michael Waltz, right.
Speaker 5: As evidenced by the signal screen shot.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, there's lots of screenshots. Jeffrey did his
Speaker 4: you know, the job of document eventually, yes, well he
Speaker 4: documented it right away.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 4: So now here's the thing. From the beginning here, Jeffrey
Speaker 4: is having the natural reaction. I will say this wrong
Speaker 4: my critiques of him. He has the reaction I think
Speaker 4: any minimally competent journalist would have. Someone's fucking with.
Speaker 5: Me, Yeah, yeah, this is like something to get me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't get invited into a chat with the
Speaker 4: sect deaf and the head of the CIA planning a
Speaker 4: military strike, right, But that just doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: I'd bit of Johna's for a while. That's not a
Speaker 3: good to me. Yeah, that's not does not really go down.
Speaker 4: So he's like trying to figure out what the fuck's
Speaker 4: going on. I'm like, what's happening, and he's like he's
Speaker 4: making a note he's documenting stuff is there, and they're
Speaker 4: talking about like weapons packages, like these are the kind
Speaker 4: of weapons, this is where they're striking. And then as
Speaker 4: the strikes going, they're being like this guy headed into
Speaker 4: his girlfriend's house, we're hitting it. The house blew up.
Speaker 3: He's dead.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: Particular exchange was very funny because the way he phrased
Speaker 3: it was like it completely baffled JD Vance. Yes, let
Speaker 3: me pull this up because it was it was pretty funny.
Speaker 3: No please please uh. Michael Waltz VP full Stop building collapsed,
Speaker 3: full Stop had multiple positive ID full stop, Pete Carilla,
Speaker 3: the ic amazing job. JD Vance replies, what Michael Waltz
Speaker 3: typing too fast full stop the first target, M Dash
Speaker 3: that top missile guy, M Dash. We have positive idea
Speaker 3: of him walking into his girlfriend's building and now it's collapsed,
Speaker 3: and then Jdvbarnes replies, excellent. At this point, Michael Waltz
Speaker 3: responds with the fist emoji, American flag emoji, flame emoji.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's great and once it becomes very clear
Speaker 4: what's happening, Number one, rather than stay in the group,
Speaker 4: see if maybe he could get invited to other groups,
Speaker 4: just kind of like keep track of what was going
Speaker 4: on again being a guy who's like primary concern and
Speaker 4: I really do think Goldberg's primary concern here was the
Speaker 4: security of US soldiers, like.
Speaker 5: The national security of the United States.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, as opposed to like is any
Speaker 4: of this legal?
Speaker 1: Are they?
Speaker 4: Like what like his is just like these people are
Speaker 4: not being secure like with I mean like this this
Speaker 4: could if the wrong person got invited to a group
Speaker 4: like this, it could potentially endanger the lives of airmen
Speaker 4: and stuff. That's on my primary concern with all this, right,
Speaker 4: But that is his, you know. And so he hops
Speaker 4: out of the group. He leaves, and he puts out
Speaker 4: this article and he redacts most other than the what's happened,
Speaker 4: which is a story in and of itself. He like
Speaker 4: goes out of his way, like there's people who are
Speaker 4: in intelligence that are in this that he has their names,
Speaker 4: and he's like, I am not naming them because they're
Speaker 4: serving intelligence officers, and that's a no no. He doesn't
Speaker 4: like specifically give up other than that this is happening
Speaker 4: anything that's like particularly dangerous, right, But this is the
Speaker 4: kind of thing as soon as it comes out obviously
Speaker 4: it's a it's a fewer and it's unlike most of
Speaker 4: the time when everybody gets like pissed, it seems to
Speaker 4: like it might have some legs because it's just such
Speaker 4: a what the buch moment, right.
Speaker 2: And it's so contrary to like so much of the
Speaker 2: messaging coming from from the Trump administration regarding you know,
Speaker 2: like digital security, Hillary's emails.
Speaker 3: Prosecuting individual soldiers for any like like you're losing a
Speaker 3: night vision goggle. Right, it's kind of a classic.
Speaker 5: One leaking information house.
Speaker 2: Administration is gonna gonna crack down and all information weeks,
Speaker 2: you know that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: At one point, Excess says we are clear for op sec,
Speaker 3: which I thought was pretty funny.
Speaker 2: The funniest message in this signal group is that we're
Speaker 2: all good on op sec. Yeah, that he's in a
Speaker 2: group chat with internal.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's super funny. Yeah, everything that's happening here is
Speaker 4: very funny. I basically want to move on to like
Speaker 4: what's what's going to happen next, which is they are
Speaker 4: going to try to nuke Jeffrey Goldberg, Like they're going
Speaker 4: to try to send him to a prison, if not
Speaker 4: a literal like El Salvadorian work camp, right, like that
Speaker 4: that is going to be their next goal here.
Speaker 3: He embarrassed these people, like yes to an extent that
Speaker 3: it's I mean, anyone in uniform would have been court
Speaker 3: martialed for this kind of security fuck up.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean in times of war in
Speaker 4: the past. If like the version of this had happened
Speaker 4: in World War Two, they would have just executed whatever
Speaker 4: soldier did.
Speaker 3: This, Like, yeah, you don't have to be a spy
Speaker 3: if you're incompetent enough to just bumble into a shit,
Speaker 3: it's the same result. I did want to address really quickly,
Speaker 3: like a couple of things. One, I saw this USA
Speaker 3: Today article that was like, oh, it's so relatable that
Speaker 3: they made this mistake of adding someone to the group chat.
Speaker 3: That was not the mistake. The mistake was coordinating things
Speaker 3: that should be classified. Things it should be quote unquote
Speaker 3: side on personal devices using signal as opposed to a
Speaker 3: state department or government issued device which doesn't have your
Speaker 3: personal contacts to avoid all this, like a device which
Speaker 3: is not hackable, advice which has not a bit exposed
Speaker 3: to QR codes, for example.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to make sure that in your context there's not
Speaker 2: two guys named JG.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so you.
Speaker 5: Might add the wrong JG to your Yemen bombing.
Speaker 4: Chat, haven't we all added the wrong person to a
Speaker 4: group chat. And it's like, I mean, yeah, but I've
Speaker 4: never like bombed Yemen.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, like bomb yeah yeah, it's not the same thing.
Speaker 3: It's not the same thing as a birthday party.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I have two friends named John and I
Speaker 4: added the wrong one to a group about like planning
Speaker 4: a mutual friends birthday party. But like, again, minimal damage,
Speaker 4: yeah yeah, no no service. People's lives are put at risk.
Speaker 4: I did also want to point out this.
Speaker 3: At one point, Waltz says of Michael Walls, who's a
Speaker 3: national security advisor. Yeah, not not the other one. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that would be pretty funny. They have him as well.
Speaker 3: He was just in there.
Speaker 4: It seems in the ground, like to shoot.
Speaker 5: Parent friends with JD vans wouldn't be so.
Speaker 3: One of the things Wolf says which is bizarre is
Speaker 3: that like European navies are incapable of defeating hoothy weapons systems.
Speaker 3: It just isn't true. Like there was a coalition of
Speaker 3: twenty different states running operations in the rest he last year.
Speaker 4: And against like France has a navy, like they've got
Speaker 4: a nuclear submarines they could in the world.
Speaker 3: To cite one example, HMS Diamond, which is a British ship,
Speaker 3: shot down a Hoothy missile last year. The UK also
Speaker 3: struck Houthy targets last year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've watched the UK carry out air strikes.
Speaker 3: I've like they're very capable. Look what the Iranian what
Speaker 3: the Houthis have is Iranian three fifty eights to just
Speaker 3: get really nerdy for a second, right, which are not
Speaker 3: really a threat to modern fighter aircraft. It's like a
Speaker 3: loitering munition.
Speaker 4: Maybe a drone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but no, no like aircraft, not a manned or
Speaker 3: personed aircraft.
Speaker 4: The primary point of like how the Hoothies are conducting
Speaker 4: their strikes is not we're going to knock all of
Speaker 4: these ships out of the sea. It's it will It
Speaker 4: will create an unsustainable insurance situation for a lot of merchants.
Speaker 4: If there's just always kind of missiles, even if we
Speaker 4: never really or almost never hit anybody, that doesn't really matter.
Speaker 4: You got to deal with the insurance thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're going to make that much and more expensive,
Speaker 3: and that that particular part of global trade much more
Speaker 3: difficult to conduct. So far, the Trump administration has doubled
Speaker 3: down in its response. This is pretty funny karn Levitt
Speaker 3: on Twitter X, I guess called Goldberg.
Speaker 5: She's the White House Press secretary. I believe press.
Speaker 3: That's correct. Yeah, why has press secretory? She called Goldberg
Speaker 3: a quote Trump hater and also claimed the story was
Speaker 3: a quote hoax and a quote sensationalist spin. They are
Speaker 3: also right now claiming that quote war plans and quote
Speaker 3: attack plans are different things. The information they lead to
Speaker 3: was too specific to constitute a war plan. Both of
Speaker 3: these things are kind of ludicrous claims, right, very clearly,
Speaker 3: this is stuff that should be classified very clearly. It's
Speaker 3: stuff that put those people's lives at risk in the
Speaker 3: event that the whoth he's had any means to respond
Speaker 3: to like F eighteen's, which I don't think they do
Speaker 3: really now. But you know, Iran, who absolutely is a
Speaker 3: state backer of the who he's, does have the ability,
Speaker 3: at least in theory. They they kind of haven't. They've
Speaker 3: kind of shown their ass a bit in the last
Speaker 3: year or two with Israeli strikes in a run.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not the ability to like easily interdict these
Speaker 4: kinds of strikes, but certainly the ability to and more
Speaker 4: importantly kind of the ability to survive them, to like
Speaker 4: mitigate the damage that they can do.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure to go underground or go somewhere else, and
Speaker 3: like those planes are vulnerable when they're like certain points
Speaker 3: in their trajectory, I think. So, you know, yeah, it's
Speaker 3: generally very poor to broad to broadcast exactly what you're doing, when,
Speaker 3: where and how.
Speaker 4: It's kind of just a basic of like military stuff
Speaker 4: that you really don't want people to know exactly when
Speaker 4: you're sending dudes in to do what.
Speaker 6: Yah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a very funny meme going around which
Speaker 3: basically had like imagined if the same discussion had been
Speaker 3: had about D Day in nineteen forty four, And yeah,
Speaker 3: that wouldn't have gone so well if they had brought
Speaker 3: a lot of great posts. I'm looking at one by
Speaker 3: Katie and Autopolis on Twitter right now. Having read through
Speaker 3: the full Hoothy PC small group logs, I've come to
Speaker 3: the sad realization that I'm the Jdvans of my group chats,
Speaker 3: overly emotional, slightly and professional, confused by what everyone else
Speaker 3: is saying because I won't scroll up continually derail's plans
Speaker 3: with later jactions.
Speaker 5: So good, that's so good.
Speaker 4: It is that is that is really funny.
Speaker 3: That is brutal. Yeah, it is interesting to see their dynamics.
Speaker 3: It's interesting to see kind of Stephen Miller seemed to
Speaker 3: have the decisive word on let's go ahead with ye Miller, Oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: speaking directly for the president.
Speaker 4: That's what's interesting is no one ever says the president
Speaker 4: has approved this, the President has said do this, Like
Speaker 4: Miller says something along the lines of like, we're going
Speaker 4: forward with this or I've been told we're going forward
Speaker 4: with this, yeah, which is again not in terms of
Speaker 4: like it's a very Hitler way of doing things right, right,
Speaker 4: Like there's this I talk about this in the show.
Speaker 4: There's this decades long debate about like the Hitler literally
Speaker 4: order the Holocaust or did he just kind of like
Speaker 4: keep making it clear to people that if they kept
Speaker 4: moving in a more holocausty direction that would.
Speaker 3: Like endear them to him.
Speaker 4: Aspects of both are true, but like, yeah, this is
Speaker 4: definitely kind of example of that ladder thing where Trump
Speaker 4: is probably like, yeah, somebody should probably fuck up those hoothies.
Speaker 3: And then Steven.
Speaker 4: Miller goes like, yeah, Trump said, you know, we're good,
Speaker 4: keep moving forward. But he's also Miller's not dumb. He's
Speaker 4: not gonna say Trump he's been doing this. He's gonna say.
Speaker 2: He's been delegating so much more than his first term,
Speaker 2: to the point where his presidency is just projecting a
Speaker 2: certain vibe that then other people have to carry out
Speaker 2: all of the details for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. This is very similar to the Hitler regimes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there is a term for this at the
Speaker 4: time in the third reck. It's called working towards the
Speaker 4: Fueryka right where you're not going to get direct guidelines,
Speaker 4: your supposed to figure out what he wants and move
Speaker 4: closer to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, exactly. Yeah, No, that's kind of been his
Speaker 2: new governing style.
Speaker 4: It's a lot smarter in terms of like just like.
Speaker 2: You know, getting documents to sign and then projects certain
Speaker 2: certain like slogans or vibes that then everyone who works
Speaker 2: under him, which is at this point's maybe like roughly
Speaker 2: twutored people tops have to all like figure out to
Speaker 2: like how to enact this thing that they think he wants.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, even to the extent that he himself was
Speaker 3: saying he didn't sign the evocation of the Alien Enemies
Speaker 3: Act that Rubio did. Yeah, his signatures on it in
Speaker 3: the federal record. But clearly it's kind of a Rubio
Speaker 3: or it seems from that it's a Rubio concoction that
Speaker 3: he just greenlit. Just a quote from Miller in case
Speaker 3: anyone's wondering exactly what he said. As I heard it,
Speaker 3: the President was clear colon green light, but we soon
Speaker 3: make clear to Egypt and Europe what we expect in return.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's he never he never specifically says the
Speaker 3: President has okayed this, But yeah, that's obviously people in
Speaker 3: Europe really pissed. I've seen some statements from government ministers
Speaker 3: in the United Kingdom like the sort of maligning of
Speaker 3: Europe and its military powers is obviously going to piss
Speaker 3: those people off. Talking of pissing people off, should we
Speaker 3: pivot to advertisements.
Speaker 2: We should, which does not piss me off. It makes
Speaker 2: me really happy to consume.
Speaker 3: Garrison personal consumes all the products and services that support
Speaker 3: this show.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's definitely not true.
Speaker 4: It's the only thing that Garrison concerns, which is why
Speaker 4: they have Polegra.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is, but sure, here's here's
Speaker 2: the ads. All right, we are so bad?
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, yeah, what's rending my auditions?
Speaker 5: James?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I'll just start so very amusingly is that's
Speaker 3: probably concerningly for him. Judge Boseberg, the same person who
Speaker 3: issued a restraining order against the Trump administration for the
Speaker 3: rendition of people to Venezuela, has also been assigned the
Speaker 3: signal lawsuit American Obsite versus HeiG Seth. So that guy
Speaker 3: that the one who Trump already called for his impeachment
Speaker 3: right has another crucial case in front of him. What
Speaker 3: the Trump administration has done in the court case pertaining
Speaker 3: to the rendition of people to El Salvador is invoked
Speaker 3: the state secrets privilege in court. Very ironic or very
Speaker 3: very ironic. They're talking about state secrets now, having just
Speaker 3: added Jeff Goldberg to the group yet, But that's what
Speaker 3: they have done. You can go back last week to
Speaker 3: understand sort of a bit more about where that's coming from.
Speaker 3: If you didn't listen to last week's.
Speaker 5: Yeah we did, we did a whole episode on it
Speaker 5: last week. Ye.
Speaker 3: It's also continuing to claim that it didn't quote unquote
Speaker 3: remove migrants after the tepative restraining order was issued because
Speaker 3: they'd already been removed. The removal happened when they were
Speaker 3: loaded onto the plane. Is this argument concurrectly with this
Speaker 3: as a panel hearing? So that's a panel of three
Speaker 3: judges right which the government is appeal the attentive restraining order.
Speaker 3: During this hearings, CAULLT Judge Patricia Millet said, quote, the
Speaker 3: Nazis received better treatment under their Alien Enemies Act than
Speaker 3: these Venezuelan migrants. Which is true. The Nazis had hearings
Speaker 3: in the nineteen thirties and they didn't just get loaded
Speaker 3: onto play in the central work camp. Not a great
Speaker 3: reflection and where we're at. The Trump administration is trying
Speaker 3: to challenge the jurisdiction of Bozburg, saying that they should
Speaker 3: have filed the same claim in Texas. Meanwhile, Thenezuelan government
Speaker 3: thirties are filing a colegal claim in El Salvador to
Speaker 3: deliberate their citizens from SECOD. It's worth noting, of course,
Speaker 3: that these people, some of them, have been tortured by
Speaker 3: the Venezuelan government right and chose to flee at no
Speaker 3: small risk to their lives, Like if people haven't listened
Speaker 3: to some of our older stuff, like I've been to
Speaker 3: the Darien Gap, which is the way that the vast
Speaker 3: majority of Venezuelan migrants come. You can listen to my
Speaker 3: episodes about that if you will know more about why
Speaker 3: people are leaving Venezuela. We have a little more information
Speaker 3: on some of the people detained. One of them is
Speaker 3: a makeup artist who's a gay man who was beaten
Speaker 3: by guards as a US photojournalist. Watch. Another one, the
Speaker 3: Miami Herald is reporting, had been granted legal refugee status,
Speaker 3: So it seems that they sort of randomly grabbed tattooed Venezuelan's.
Speaker 3: Some of these people have been through background checks already,
Speaker 3: right at which they will have disclosed their tattoos. That's
Speaker 3: one of the things that they'll be asked about, and
Speaker 3: they would have disclosed those. So whether they control left
Speaker 3: it or quite how they came across these people as
Speaker 3: to a little bit unclear. A couple of other things
Speaker 3: regarding to immigration enforcement this week that have come across
Speaker 3: my radar but probably don't merit a whole episode. It's
Speaker 3: been reported that the IRS is close to an agreement
Speaker 3: to hand over the tax records of undocumented people. It's
Speaker 3: claimed for decades if it won't do this. This is
Speaker 3: why most documented people pay taxes, right, yeah.
Speaker 5: Which is something that the conservative is just like don't believe.
Speaker 2: Yes, so like all these undocumented immigrants are aren't paying
Speaker 2: taxes like the rest of us, Like no, actually they are.
Speaker 3: What they're not doing is receiving benefits from those taxes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yes, and this is a great way to
Speaker 2: have people want to pay less taxes if they're gonna
Speaker 2: get their information sent over to like the Gestapo, Like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. The whole point was to not provide
Speaker 3: a distance. This is similar to why California gives driver's
Speaker 3: licenses to undocumented people and allows them to ensure vehicles, right,
Speaker 3: because you don't want to provide a disincentive to have
Speaker 3: a driver's license, you don't want to provide a disincentive
Speaker 3: to have insurance. We have now provided a disincentive to
Speaker 3: pay your taxes for undocumented people. So yeah, that will
Speaker 3: have consequences, and it will have consequences, especially in industries
Speaker 3: right like agriculture and construction, and my large numbers of
Speaker 3: people tend to be undocumented. Talking of undocumented migration, the
Speaker 3: COMMA secretary Howard Lutnik reports it. He said it's on
Speaker 3: the All In podcast. He has claimed to have already
Speaker 3: sold one thousand gold cards. So gold cards. If you
Speaker 3: didn't listen to our previous.
Speaker 5: Oh, I feel like I thought, I'm getting dizzy.
Speaker 4: I'm just like, yeah, I am all yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. There is no pro for applying for receiving a
Speaker 3: gold card yet, so it's extremely unclear what this means
Speaker 3: in immigration law terms.
Speaker 2: So he just got like a thousand texts from millionaires
Speaker 2: being like, yeah, I'll buy one maybe, Like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well multimillionaires five million each, right, like so yeah,
Speaker 3: apparently not quite clear, Like and like he claims that
Speaker 3: he sold them, Like is he going around shopping these around?
Speaker 3: Is this how they're going to replace a tax revenue
Speaker 3: from undocumented people? Like oh my god, No one knows, no,
Speaker 3: no one knows what this means. Who do you pay?
Speaker 3: Like very unclear? So yeah, that's great that that is
Speaker 3: that it's the current situation with immigration. I also wanted
Speaker 3: to add at least three people who were aware of
Speaker 3: died in San Diego County on the fourteenth of March
Speaker 3: in a storm while crossing the border. One young woman
Speaker 3: who survived was found next to the remains of her father,
Speaker 3: who died of exposure in a winter storm out here.
Speaker 3: So yeah, the border continues to be doing violence to
Speaker 3: say of the most martinized people alive, which is great.
Speaker 4: We should pop in here. A story just dropped. Michael Waltz,
Speaker 4: the National Security advisor who invited Jeffrey to that group
Speaker 4: chat journalists have found his public venmo every time with
Speaker 4: the quote, unquote it's full of journalists. I'm just gonna
Speaker 4: read a quote from an article on Prospect dot org.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Unsurprisingly, Fox News holds the highest headcount for reporters in
Speaker 4: Mike Waltz's phone. Griff Jenkins, who's Fox dot com bio
Speaker 4: listen as a Washington based national correspondent for Fox, is
Speaker 4: joining the list by Brian Kilmead, co host of Fox
Speaker 4: and Friends. Porter Berry, President and editor of Fox Digital,
Speaker 4: also made the gut But what right wing reporters are
Speaker 4: not the only ones represented in Waltz's venmo list, which
Speaker 4: appears to be less than clean on obsec as Secretary
Speaker 4: of Defense Heggsceth throat Leland Vintert, a national correspondent for
Speaker 4: News Nation, is also listed on the digital account, as
Speaker 4: is Breonna Keeler, American journalist who currently serves as co
Speaker 4: anchor of the afternoon edition of CNN News Central. Lauren
Speaker 4: pike Off, an executive producer at MSNBC, is also in
Speaker 4: Wallas's contacts. Earlier this year, Trump tweeted about the network, Wow,
Speaker 4: Rachel Maddow has horrible ratings. She'll be off the air soon.
Speaker 4: But amidst the broadcasters, producers, and talking heads, one name
Speaker 4: stands out from the crowd. Judith Miller, who was summarily
Speaker 4: fired from The New York Times after it was revealed
Speaker 4: that her reporting on the Iraq war was categorically false
Speaker 4: and obtained almost verbatim from Vice President Dick Cheney. Her
Speaker 4: dismissal was the price paid for cozying up too close
Speaker 4: to an administration set on war. It's just like, okay,
Speaker 4: we don't check any of this, we haven't locked anything down.
Speaker 2: Good having your public venmo itself is crazy. The fact
Speaker 2: that he's like the fact that he's like getting like
Speaker 2: dinner with journalists to be like, I'll I'll send you
Speaker 2: a Venmo requests for this sushi.
Speaker 6: Oh man.
Speaker 3: They've downloaded his entire friends list and you can just scroll.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know you can see everybody.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he said to get like a fifteen
Speaker 2: dollar venmo requests from Bryan Kilmeade for getting drinks at
Speaker 2: a bar, Like, what are we doing?
Speaker 3: What are we doing? Yeah? Oh so yeah, how well
Speaker 3: these people make hundreds of thousands, if not millions, two
Speaker 3: dollars you it makes so much money bucks. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's just one drink in DC.
Speaker 5: So funny. Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Now I think it's time, folks that we take a
Speaker 4: little bit of a detour and talk about tariffs.
Speaker 6: Sorry, locking Jasp, rocking jazz botry, locking, locking.
Speaker 4: J locking Jasp. Oh my god, I love playing that song.
Speaker 4: I love playing that song. We don't actually have anything
Speaker 4: to say about tariffs. MIA's not here. I will note
Speaker 4: there's a graph going around about the potential cost of
Speaker 4: Guinness under Trump's tax plan, which is usually around seven
Speaker 4: dollars per pint in the US, and we'll now I'll
Speaker 4: be twenty two to twenty seven dollars after Trump's you know,
Speaker 4: new new tariffs for imported alcohol that.
Speaker 3: Reflects its true value. Because it's also yes.
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, anyway, We're done. That's all I have to
Speaker 4: say on tariffs.
Speaker 5: As long as the twisted tea pricing doesn't get affected,
Speaker 5: I'll be fine. Then that's good.
Speaker 3: Good long I comment.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: In some more upsetting news, another student at Columbia has
Speaker 2: been forced into hiding as ICE targets her for deportation.
Speaker 2: Unsouchung is a twenty one year old permanent resident who
Speaker 2: immigrated to the United States from Korea with her family
Speaker 2: when she was seven. On March ninth, she'd received a
Speaker 2: text message from Homeland Security Investigations reading, Hyensau, this is
Speaker 2: Audrey from the police. My job is to reach out
Speaker 2: to you and see if you have any questions about
Speaker 2: your recent arrest and the process going forward.
Speaker 5: What are you available for a phone call?
Speaker 2: So this this message was allegedly friends to being arrested,
Speaker 2: among others at a recent sit in protest at Bernard
Speaker 2: College at Columbia. She was charged and then released with
Speaker 2: misdemeanor obstruction. So after receiving that like sketchy text, right,
Speaker 2: something that you should never never respond to, you should
Speaker 2: immediately send to your lawyer. But after receiving this text,
Speaker 2: Chung got an email from Columbia Public Safety reading quote
Speaker 2: the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New
Speaker 2: York has asked us to inform you that Homeland Security
Speaker 2: Investigation agents are seeking to make contact with you in
Speaker 2: connection with an administrative warrant for your arrest. Consistent with
Speaker 2: university's practice, we wanted to share this information and their
Speaker 2: request with you. If you are represented by counsel, it
Speaker 2: may make sense for your lawyer to speak directly with
Speaker 2: DHS now. That same day, ICE agents showed up at
Speaker 2: the home of Chunk's parents, and Chung's lawyer called quote
Speaker 2: unquote to Audrey from the police, who revealed she was
Speaker 2: actually an ICE agent and stated that there was an
Speaker 2: administrative warrant for her arrest and that the State Department
Speaker 2: can revoke Miss Chung's residency status. Yes, we're going to
Speaker 2: talk more about what's happened with miss Chung after this
Speaker 2: at break.
Speaker 5: All right, we're back.
Speaker 2: So, when ICE failed to locate this Columbia University student,
Speaker 2: they started to enlist the help of federal prosecutors. I'm
Speaker 2: going to quote from the New York Times who broke
Speaker 2: this story. Quote on March tenth, Perry Carbone, a high
Speaker 2: ranking lawyer in the federal Prosecutor's office, told miss Amaud
Speaker 2: Miss Chung's attorney that the Secretary of State Mark Rubio
Speaker 2: had revoked Miss Chung's visa. Miss Amad responded that Miss
Speaker 2: Chung was not in the country on a visa and
Speaker 2: was a permanent resident, according to the lawsuit. Miss Carbone
Speaker 2: responded that mister Rubio had quote revoked that as well unquote.
Speaker 2: So this similar to like a Mahmudkali like demonstrats that
Speaker 2: like they have no idea of the of the actual
Speaker 2: residency status of the people that they are going after.
Speaker 2: They are just going after non citizens and may eventually
Speaker 2: start going after citizens too. Like they're just going after
Speaker 2: people that they assume have like the least amount of protections,
Speaker 2: whether that's a Green card holder, whether that's someone on
Speaker 2: a student visa or a work visa. They don't really
Speaker 2: know going in there. They're just going after people. Then,
Speaker 2: on March thirteenth, ICE searched two residences on campus with warrants,
Speaker 2: citing a statute for harboring non citizens. The Trump administration
Speaker 2: is arguing that Chung's presence in the United States hinders
Speaker 2: the administration's foreign policy agenda. One twenty one year old
Speaker 2: student who was the valve victorian at her high school
Speaker 2: is hindering their foreign policy agenda for attending a sit
Speaker 2: in protest. Her lawyers note that Chung was not, by
Speaker 2: any means like a movement leader. She was simply one
Speaker 2: of hundreds of students who joined in in nationwide protests
Speaker 2: against Israel's actions in Gaza. Her lawyer's right quote, Miss
Speaker 2: Chung has not made any public statements to the press
Speaker 2: or otherwise assumed a high profile role in these protests.
Speaker 2: She was rather one of a large group of college
Speaker 2: students raising, expressing, and discussing shared concerns. Chung herself had
Speaker 2: previously faced a university disciplinary process, which found that Chung
Speaker 2: was not in violation of any university policy. So in
Speaker 2: response to the actions of ICE on Homeland Security to
Speaker 2: try to locate and deport her, Chung went into hiding.
Speaker 2: Her whereabouts are still unknown as the time of recording,
Speaker 2: and her lawyers fouled a lawsuit to prevent her deportation,
Speaker 2: claiming that ICE actions against Chung are illegal and unconstitutional.
Speaker 2: The lawsuit reads quote officials that the highest echalons a
Speaker 2: government are attempting to use immigration enforcement as a bludgeon
Speaker 2: to suppress speech that they dislike, including Miss Chung's speech.
Speaker 2: ICE's shocking actions against Miss Chung form part of a
Speaker 2: larger pattern of attempted US government repression of constitutionally protected
Speaker 2: protest activity and other forms of speech. Now, this past Tuesday,
Speaker 2: a federal judge granted a temporary restraining order halting efforts
Speaker 2: from ICE to detain or relocate Chung. The judge said
Speaker 2: that there is quote nothing in the record indicating that
Speaker 2: Chung is a danger to the community or a quote
Speaker 2: unquote foreign policy risk, or that she is communicated with
Speaker 2: terrorist organizations. The judge said that there would be quote
Speaker 2: no trips to Louisiana here, quote, referring to the movement
Speaker 2: of Khalil to ICE attention in Louisiana. A DHS statement
Speaker 2: said that ICE is going to quote investigate individuals engage
Speaker 2: in activities in support of hamas a foreign terrorist organization unquote.
Speaker 2: The statement also claimed that Chung would have an opportunity
Speaker 2: to present her case before an immigration judge, which is
Speaker 2: like contrary to incidence of ICE just deporting people before
Speaker 2: they're legally required hearings, even like in defiance of like
Speaker 2: extra court orders mandating those hearings, Like ICE is just
Speaker 2: lying here and I think it's worth pointing out, like
Speaker 2: what types of people they are going after right now.
Speaker 2: One type of person that ICE is going after is
Speaker 2: like non citizens who were arrested at protests, regardless of
Speaker 2: what they actually did.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: This can be anything from standing in the street to
Speaker 2: doing a sit in protest to just like being arrested
Speaker 2: on campus and removed by campus police or NYPD, right, like,
Speaker 2: just just any arrest like on record that shows you
Speaker 2: at one of these protests.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The other in the cases like Khalil, like he was
Speaker 2: never arrested. He was the subject of a mass doxing
Speaker 2: campaign by other students at Columbia, professors and other you know,
Speaker 2: quote unquote anti Semitism organizations which target high profile activists
Speaker 2: to create like public pressure against them, and those same
Speaker 2: lists are now being used by the Trump administration to
Speaker 2: target students.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pita had one, right, Beta, the ultra Zionist people
Speaker 3: who are going around like attempting to fucking present people
Speaker 3: with pages, I think they were one of the groups
Speaker 3: that had created like a quote unquote depote list. So
Speaker 3: we should just mention that a tough student, romeaser Oz Turk,
Speaker 3: was essentially abducted on her way to university. Right, there's
Speaker 3: video which will link in the show notes here, very
Speaker 3: very frightening video of her just standing on the sidewalk.
Speaker 3: As first one man approaches her in like a in
Speaker 3: like a like a navy hoodie, put mask on his face,
Speaker 3: approaches her, stops her.
Speaker 2: And then as soon as they start engaging in conversation,
Speaker 2: she gets surrounded by like five other people, all wearing
Speaker 2: like what I would describe as like a gray man
Speaker 2: block essentially that they then like pull out badges and
Speaker 2: they like detain her. And it's interesting like as they approach,
Speaker 2: most of these people are unmasked, and then as soon
Speaker 2: as people realize what's happening, like like like people in
Speaker 2: the neighborhood it realize what's happening, they all start pulling
Speaker 2: up like a like half faced mask like gators.
Speaker 4: Yeah, gators.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: They looked to me more like than anything the way
Speaker 4: prowdboys dressed a lot in like Jordany in nineteen twenty twenty. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's yeah, like.
Speaker 3: Like it's extremely concerning, Like yes, when you you start
Speaker 3: seeing at these people mass people snatching people off the street. Right,
Speaker 3: she asked if she asked if she can call the
Speaker 3: cops and they say, we are the police. It looks
Speaker 3: like her phone falls out of her hand at some
Speaker 3: point they take her bag. We know this because it
Speaker 3: seems like somebody was filming from a building just above,
Speaker 3: and you can hear that people say like why are
Speaker 3: you covering your person?
Speaker 5: Saying why are you wearing masks?
Speaker 3: Why are you covering your faces?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the guy, the guy filming, is like doing
Speaker 4: about what he can, given the fact that you have
Speaker 4: to assume he had no real idea what was happening
Speaker 4: initially other than like something visibly fucked up, Like I'm
Speaker 4: glad he said the things that he said.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so yeah, she's a Turkish citizen who is
Speaker 2: in the States on a student visa in Boston, Massachusetts
Speaker 2: or outside Boston, Massachusetts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's on a F one visa. So just a
Speaker 3: couple of dates to a few days before she was seized,
Speaker 3: she was like Her name was published by Canary Mission Right.
Speaker 3: Canary Mission is a desionist group that has been boxing
Speaker 3: for Palestine or anti genocide people for several years now.
Speaker 3: She had co edited an op ed in the Toughest
Speaker 3: Daily last year. It seems to be how they were
Speaker 3: able to identify her. But as Garrison said, right like,
Speaker 3: in terms of how they're picking their targets right now,
Speaker 3: it seems to be heavily tied disease vigil anti Zionists,
Speaker 3: far right groups. I did see that a judge has
Speaker 3: already ruled that she shouldn't be left, she shouldn't be
Speaker 3: removed from Massachusetts without further consultation with that judge.
Speaker 4: And we don't know if she has been or not already.
Speaker 5: But this is this is continuing to happen, right. We
Speaker 5: talked about it this last week.
Speaker 2: I'm going to do a whole episode next week about this,
Speaker 2: about this issue.
Speaker 3: She is in Louisiana. Sorry, update, she has already been
Speaker 3: moved to Louisiana. Yeah, so I'm just reading a truth
Speaker 3: out piece here. Officials initially did not specify wells have
Speaker 3: been taken and Canarbi it's her lawyer was unable to
Speaker 3: reach her. Later on Wednesday, Hanabis said an emotion that
Speaker 3: she was informed by a senator's office that the student
Speaker 3: was already transferred to Louisiana.
Speaker 2: It's like in a matter of hours they worked to
Speaker 2: get her like outside of yeah, her like home state
Speaker 2: or she probably has more legal protections.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not something that's super uncommon. I've seen them
Speaker 3: do this with what they called lateral transfers under Title
Speaker 3: forty two, where they would move people. Under Title forty two,
Speaker 3: they can immediately return people to Mexico, right, And what
Speaker 3: they would do is laterally transfer them along the border
Speaker 3: and return them to another location in Mexico, which obviously
Speaker 3: led to them being completely dislocated when they were dropped
Speaker 3: in Mexico.
Speaker 2: Something else that I want to note is the use
Speaker 2: of this harboring non citizens warrant. Like, one problem that
Speaker 2: ICE can run into often is that people can choose
Speaker 2: just to not answer the door. I usually likes to
Speaker 2: rely on people that have already been arrested or already
Speaker 2: detained by like police. Right, that makes it much easier
Speaker 2: for immigration officials to find people. Without that, locating people
Speaker 2: can be a little bit harder. With the use of
Speaker 2: this like harboring non citizens warrant, that shows like there's
Speaker 2: trying to create this precedent for being able to actually
Speaker 2: break into more people's homes even though you know she
Speaker 2: had a permanent resident status. This is just like in
Speaker 2: terms of the tactic being used, similar to like you
Speaker 2: know this all these like gray Man block people approaching
Speaker 2: you on the street one by one. That's like a
Speaker 2: tactic to take note of. The use of this type
Speaker 2: of warrant is also something to take note of. We
Speaker 2: are already at that point where people are like are
Speaker 2: like going into hiding. Right, This is like very very
Speaker 2: like dystopian ya coded stuff where you're like you are
Speaker 2: literally as like as a twenty one year old like junior,
Speaker 2: being forced to go into hiding because federal agents are
Speaker 2: after you because you sat down. Yeah, you sat down
Speaker 2: in front of a building in protest of a genocide.
Speaker 2: You're a You're not even a movement leader, and this
Speaker 2: this type of thing shouldn't even happen to quote unquote
Speaker 2: movement leaders.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, there's the very First Amendment protects your right
Speaker 3: to do that exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But like regardless of whether or not you're involved in
Speaker 2: like the planning the organization, whether or not you're making
Speaker 2: statements depressed, whether or not you're you're you're giving speeches,
Speaker 2: if you just attend these sorts of things, you are
Speaker 2: you are a target by what is like very obviously
Speaker 2: a modern version of like gestopo like actions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's also quite revealing that she's somewhat
Speaker 3: successfully gone into hiding, right, Like it suggests that, yeah,
Speaker 3: their intelligent operation is not sordvioleance that they were able
Speaker 3: to immediately find her.
Speaker 4: Well, No, because again, the resources to do stuff like
Speaker 4: trace somebody down by their shoes from like surveillance camera
Speaker 4: footage exists. We saw it used on those lawyers who
Speaker 4: let police vehicle fire twenty twenty. But like, there's not
Speaker 4: really much in the way a crime's going on here.
Speaker 4: And there also there's so many of these people, Like
Speaker 4: the idea that you would you would pull all of
Speaker 4: the footage that you would need to track every one
Speaker 4: of these, it's just it's just not feasible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think they'll just go off to someone
Speaker 3: else right to get the headlined. But I'll be following
Speaker 3: this one with interest because it's sort of it's sort
Speaker 3: of an alternative outcome to the other ones that we've
Speaker 3: seen so far, So it'd just be revelatory to see
Speaker 3: how it goes. Yeah, So if you want to con
Speaker 3: take us about any of this, maybe if you're seeing
Speaker 3: things happening on your campus, if you have anything you'd
Speaker 3: like to share, things that you think we've missed, you
Speaker 3: can do so. The email address is cool Zone tips
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Speaker 2: Thank you to everyone who's been sending those messages. It
Speaker 2: does take time for us to go through all of them.
Speaker 2: Not all of them will have a response, but we
Speaker 2: are reading them.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I am still working on a piece in the Lavender scare.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff happening regarding, you know, suppressing
Speaker 2: and going after trans people in the military. This takes time,
Speaker 2: but we are working on that slowly but surely, as
Speaker 2: well as stuff regarding ice targeting students and what's going
Speaker 2: on in Columbia, so we appreciate that. The last thing
Speaker 2: I want to talk about is this past Monday, the
Speaker 2: IDF killed two Palistinian journalists in Gaza in separate air strikes.
Speaker 2: Mohammad Mansour, who works for Palestine Today, was killed quote
Speaker 2: in his house in southern Gaza, alongside his wife and
Speaker 2: his son without any prior warning. According to al Jazeira.
Speaker 2: Later that day, the IDF killed a twenty three year
Speaker 2: old Palestinian journalist, Hassam Shabbat, in a targeted airstrike while
Speaker 2: he was driving his car in northern Gaza. I want
Speaker 2: to read this statement from Hassam quote. If you're reading this,
Speaker 2: it means I have been killed, most likely targeted by
Speaker 2: the Israeli occupation forces. When all this began, I was
Speaker 2: only twenty one years old, a college student with dreams
Speaker 2: like anyone else. For the past eighteen months, I've dedicated
Speaker 2: every moment of my life to my people. I documented
Speaker 2: the horrors in northern Gaza, minute by minute, determined to
Speaker 2: show the world the truth they tried to bury. I
Speaker 2: slept on pavements, in schools, intents, anywhere I could. Each
Speaker 2: day was a battle for survival. I endured hunger for months,
Speaker 2: yet I never left my people's side. God, I fulfilled
Speaker 2: my duty as a journalist. I risked everything to report
Speaker 2: the truth, and now I am finally at rest, something
Speaker 2: I haven't known in the past eighteen months. I did
Speaker 2: all this because I believe in the Palestinian cause. I
Speaker 2: believe this land is ours, and it has been the
Speaker 2: highest honor of my life to die defending it and
Speaker 2: serving its people. I ask you now, do not stop
Speaker 2: speaking about Gaza. Do not let the world look away,
Speaker 2: keep fighting, keep telling our stories until Palestine is free.
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