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Speaker 2: This is it could happen here. Executive Disorder, our weekly

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Speaker 2: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,

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Speaker 2: and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today.

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Speaker 2: I'm joined by James Stout and Robert Evans. You are

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Speaker 2: this week, we are covering the week of March twenty

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Speaker 2: to March twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Short week because we did a late recording last week.

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Speaker 2: Yep, we did, so it's it's minus one day if

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Speaker 2: my math is correct. It's been a hard week for

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Speaker 2: any of us because we all really care about group

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Speaker 2: chats and group chat security is super important, oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: to kind of anyone involved in politics, and whenever we

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Speaker 2: see a breach of this magnitude, it's really a warning

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Speaker 2: and like a threat to all of us. So it

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Speaker 2: has it has been. It has been a tough week.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like a threat to one is a threat to all.

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Speaker 4: So like that's way I see it. Any group chat

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Speaker 4: that gets compromised.

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Speaker 2: First they came for whovps group, that's right.

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Speaker 5: Next they're gonna come.

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Speaker 4: Be any of us, could be any of us, Jeffrey

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Speaker 4: Goldberg could be lurking in your small group that's you

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Speaker 4: and your girlfriend talking about what kind of pizza do order?

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Speaker 4: He could be there reporting for the Atlantic. You wouldn't

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Speaker 4: know unless you like looked at who was in there

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Speaker 4: and saw his name, then you would know. Which is

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Speaker 4: true of all of the people in the hoothy PC

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Speaker 4: small group.

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Speaker 5: I guess it is actually pretty easy. You didn't know.

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe Giffrey Goldbug's signal name is like like Cia

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Speaker 3: Superspy or something, and everyone just assumed you along there.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna start at the beginning because I do assume

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Speaker 4: that actually, like as impossible as it sounds to those

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Speaker 4: of us who like wake up and imbibe fucking social

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Speaker 4: media in the morning like an addict takes their first

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Speaker 4: hit of crack cocaine, but in a way that's less

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Speaker 4: healthy for both our hearts and our brains. A decent

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Speaker 4: number of people who listen to this podcast have just

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Speaker 4: kind of like heard vaguely like some bits about this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're wondering what the fuck we're talking about?

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Speaker 4: What are you doing? What are you guys doing? So

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Speaker 4: we're going to talk about this group chat. So first off,

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Speaker 4: couple of basics. So Signal is an app that is

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Speaker 4: end to end encrypted. That means that if you have

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Speaker 4: signal and your buddy has signal, and you're messaging each other,

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Speaker 4: it's encrypted, and it is very hard at this point

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Speaker 4: unless one of your phones is directly compromised by a

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Speaker 4: nonstate actor or an x who's really good with the computers,

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Speaker 4: no one else can see what you're messaging each other.

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Speaker 4: So if you and a friend are like planning what

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Speaker 4: to order on fucking grub Hub tonight when you go

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Speaker 4: play Super Smash Brothers or whatever, you can keep that secret.

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Speaker 4: Or if you and a friend are planning what substances

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Speaker 4: to buy that the government might not want you buying,

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Speaker 4: you can keep that secret. Or if you and your

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Speaker 4: friend simply don't want various media companies taking every detail

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Speaker 4: and phone carriers taking every detail of your life's conversations

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Speaker 4: and turning that into analytics data, you can stop them

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Speaker 4: from doing that. And if maybe one day you might

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Speaker 4: be engaged in speech that the government might not like,

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Speaker 4: you can continue to age in that speech privately without

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Speaker 4: danger or with less danger, yeah, or with with as

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Speaker 4: little danger as it is possible to do.

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Speaker 2: Especially if your messages automatically explode after anywhere between five

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Speaker 2: seconds to one week, right, which is a feature signal has.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you can automatically set it to delete stuff over

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Speaker 4: a period of time you want to. If you're going

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Speaker 4: to use it, turn off the thing where it like

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Speaker 3: So yeah, not if you.

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Speaker 4: Turn them off, because that's a that that'll function.

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Speaker 2: Up because then your operating system can read the messages

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Speaker 2: without the encryption. Similarly, never open a QR code.

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Speaker 5: This is the yes.

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Speaker 2: Really the only way that Signal can can get compromised

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Speaker 5: But the main other way.

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Speaker 2: That Signal can get compromised is through malicious QR codes

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's a quote from Herman Garring, I think

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Speaker 4: it was from Herman Gehring. When I hear the word culture,

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Speaker 3: That's right. Do not use crew argots yeah, the work

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Speaker 3: of Satan. Let's explain what who these PC small group

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Speaker 3: is for the people. Well, I'm getting to it. So

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Speaker 3: you've got you've got this app which is normally used

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Speaker 3: because it's very secure. The Trump administration takes office, one

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Speaker 3: thing that they are annoyed about is that when you

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Speaker 3: especially if you're doing top secret shit, the kind of

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Speaker 3: you are supposed to only have in something called a skiff.

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Speaker 3: And a skiff is basically a room in.

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Speaker 4: I'm not one hundred percent sure where all the skiffs are,

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Speaker 4: it is the the only place that you are supposed

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Speaker 4: to have certain kinds of conversations. And in fact, if

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Speaker 4: into the skiff because none of them are fucking secure. Now,

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Speaker 4: the problem is all these communications, all of this stuff

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Speaker 4: People who are in charge of our military now didn't

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Speaker 4: just did it through a single group, and they did

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Speaker 4: to plan for an attack that started March fifteenth against

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Speaker 4: the Hoothys. Now you will remember the hoothis from the

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Speaker 4: naval warfare, and you check it out. That's all still

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Speaker 5: Better known for their other work, yeah, better.

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Speaker 4: Known for their other work. The Biden administration was like,

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Speaker 4: and it didn't really work. And the Trump administration was like,

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Speaker 5: Probably not, just generally given the history.

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Speaker 4: Maybe they say they killed a lot more high value

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Speaker 4: So we'll see, you know, in that signal chat, Rob,

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Speaker 4: I'm not in that signal chat they have, not accidentally.

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Speaker 2: I'm in too many signal chats, frankly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I could be, and I might not know.

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Speaker 5: Ye, we all are in too many.

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Speaker 4: Weve got to have the head of the CIA his

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Speaker 4: but yeah, on his phone too much Steven Miller.

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Speaker 4: the invites are going out. Because the way you do

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Speaker 4: like start a new group. You name the new group.

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Speaker 2: In this politically correct? Which, honestly I thought that we

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Speaker 3: group chat that says what. It's just a reminder.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no slurs in the small group chat.

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Speaker 4: Planning committee. Who the planning committee, small group. Sorry, I

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Speaker 4: had that written down somewhere. So they make this group

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Speaker 4: And this brings us. I got to take an aside

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Speaker 4: an illustrious career. He grew up in Malvern and long

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Speaker 4: Eye and I'm Maulvin. Yeah, I'm looking at his wiki here,

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Speaker 4: which just has the line that his neighborhood was mainly

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Speaker 3: Oh he had a fun childhood, So okay, interesting, interesting

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Speaker 3: Jeffrey fascinating stuff there. Interesting.

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Speaker 4: So after college or kind of while he's in college,

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Speaker 4: Palestinian participants in the Intefub were being held. And yeah,

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Speaker 5: Like not one of quote unquote to our guys.

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Speaker 2: And it's so contrary to like so much of the

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Speaker 3: Prosecuting individual soldiers for any like like you're losing a

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Speaker 4: The primary point of like how the Hoothies are conducting

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not the ability to like easily interdict these

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Speaker 3: had about D Day in nineteen forty four, And yeah,

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Speaker 3: that wouldn't have gone so well if they had brought

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Speaker 3: a lot of great posts. I'm looking at one by

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Speaker 3: Katie and Autopolis on Twitter right now. Having read through

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Speaker 3: the full Hoothy PC small group logs, I've come to

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Speaker 3: the sad realization that I'm the Jdvans of my group chats,

444
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Speaker 3: overly emotional, slightly and professional, confused by what everyone else

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Speaker 3: is saying because I won't scroll up continually derail's plans

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Speaker 3: with later jactions.

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Speaker 5: So good, that's so good.

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Speaker 4: It is that is that is really funny.

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Speaker 3: That is brutal. Yeah, it is interesting to see their dynamics.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting to see kind of Stephen Miller seemed to

451
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Speaker 3: have the decisive word on let's go ahead with ye Miller, Oh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: speaking directly for the president.

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Speaker 4: That's what's interesting is no one ever says the president

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Speaker 4: has approved this, the President has said do this, Like

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Speaker 4: Miller says something along the lines of like, we're going

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Speaker 4: forward with this or I've been told we're going forward

457
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Speaker 4: with this, yeah, which is again not in terms of

458
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Speaker 4: like it's a very Hitler way of doing things right, right,

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Speaker 4: Like there's this I talk about this in the show.

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Speaker 4: There's this decades long debate about like the Hitler literally

461
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Speaker 4: order the Holocaust or did he just kind of like

462
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Speaker 4: keep making it clear to people that if they kept

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Speaker 4: moving in a more holocausty direction that would.

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Speaker 3: Like endear them to him.

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Speaker 4: Aspects of both are true, but like, yeah, this is

466
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Speaker 4: definitely kind of example of that ladder thing where Trump

467
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Speaker 4: is probably like, yeah, somebody should probably fuck up those hoothies.

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Speaker 3: And then Steven.

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Speaker 4: Miller goes like, yeah, Trump said, you know, we're good,

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Speaker 4: keep moving forward. But he's also Miller's not dumb. He's

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Speaker 4: not gonna say Trump he's been doing this. He's gonna say.

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Speaker 2: He's been delegating so much more than his first term,

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Speaker 2: to the point where his presidency is just projecting a

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Speaker 2: certain vibe that then other people have to carry out

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Speaker 2: all of the details for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. This is very similar to the Hitler regimes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there is a term for this at the

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Speaker 4: time in the third reck. It's called working towards the

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Speaker 4: Fueryka right where you're not going to get direct guidelines,

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Speaker 4: your supposed to figure out what he wants and move

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Speaker 4: closer to it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, exactly. Yeah, No, that's kind of been his

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Speaker 2: new governing style.

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Speaker 4: It's a lot smarter in terms of like just like.

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Speaker 2: You know, getting documents to sign and then projects certain

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Speaker 2: certain like slogans or vibes that then everyone who works

487
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Speaker 2: under him, which is at this point's maybe like roughly

488
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Speaker 2: twutored people tops have to all like figure out to

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Speaker 2: like how to enact this thing that they think he wants.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, even to the extent that he himself was

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Speaker 3: saying he didn't sign the evocation of the Alien Enemies

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Speaker 3: Act that Rubio did. Yeah, his signatures on it in

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Speaker 3: the federal record. But clearly it's kind of a Rubio

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Speaker 3: or it seems from that it's a Rubio concoction that

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Speaker 3: he just greenlit. Just a quote from Miller in case

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Speaker 3: anyone's wondering exactly what he said. As I heard it,

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Speaker 3: the President was clear colon green light, but we soon

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Speaker 3: make clear to Egypt and Europe what we expect in return.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's he never he never specifically says the

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Speaker 3: President has okayed this, But yeah, that's obviously people in

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Speaker 3: Europe really pissed. I've seen some statements from government ministers

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Speaker 3: in the United Kingdom like the sort of maligning of

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Speaker 3: Europe and its military powers is obviously going to piss

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Speaker 3: those people off. Talking of pissing people off, should we

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Speaker 3: pivot to advertisements.

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Speaker 2: We should, which does not piss me off. It makes

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Speaker 2: me really happy to consume.

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Speaker 3: Garrison personal consumes all the products and services that support

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Speaker 3: this show.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's definitely not true.

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Speaker 4: It's the only thing that Garrison concerns, which is why

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Speaker 4: they have Polegra.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what that is, but sure, here's here's

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Speaker 2: the ads. All right, we are so bad?

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Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, yeah, what's rending my auditions?

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Speaker 5: James?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I'll just start so very amusingly is that's

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Speaker 3: probably concerningly for him. Judge Boseberg, the same person who

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Speaker 3: issued a restraining order against the Trump administration for the

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Speaker 3: rendition of people to Venezuela, has also been assigned the

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Speaker 3: signal lawsuit American Obsite versus HeiG Seth. So that guy

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Speaker 3: that the one who Trump already called for his impeachment

523
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Speaker 3: right has another crucial case in front of him. What

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Speaker 3: the Trump administration has done in the court case pertaining

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Speaker 3: to the rendition of people to El Salvador is invoked

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Speaker 3: the state secrets privilege in court. Very ironic or very

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Speaker 3: very ironic. They're talking about state secrets now, having just

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Speaker 3: added Jeff Goldberg to the group yet, But that's what

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Speaker 3: they have done. You can go back last week to

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Speaker 3: understand sort of a bit more about where that's coming from.

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Speaker 3: If you didn't listen to last week's.

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Speaker 5: Yeah we did, we did a whole episode on it

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Speaker 5: last week. Ye.

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Speaker 3: It's also continuing to claim that it didn't quote unquote

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Speaker 3: remove migrants after the tepative restraining order was issued because

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Speaker 3: they'd already been removed. The removal happened when they were

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Speaker 3: loaded onto the plane. Is this argument concurrectly with this

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Speaker 3: as a panel hearing? So that's a panel of three

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Speaker 3: judges right which the government is appeal the attentive restraining order.

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Speaker 3: During this hearings, CAULLT Judge Patricia Millet said, quote, the

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Speaker 3: Nazis received better treatment under their Alien Enemies Act than

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Speaker 3: these Venezuelan migrants. Which is true. The Nazis had hearings

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Speaker 3: in the nineteen thirties and they didn't just get loaded

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Speaker 3: onto play in the central work camp. Not a great

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Speaker 3: reflection and where we're at. The Trump administration is trying

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Speaker 3: to challenge the jurisdiction of Bozburg, saying that they should

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Speaker 3: have filed the same claim in Texas. Meanwhile, Thenezuelan government

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Speaker 3: thirties are filing a colegal claim in El Salvador to

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Speaker 3: deliberate their citizens from SECOD. It's worth noting, of course,

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Speaker 3: that these people, some of them, have been tortured by

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Speaker 3: the Venezuelan government right and chose to flee at no

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Speaker 3: small risk to their lives, Like if people haven't listened

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Speaker 3: to some of our older stuff, like I've been to

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Speaker 3: the Darien Gap, which is the way that the vast

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Speaker 3: majority of Venezuelan migrants come. You can listen to my

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Speaker 3: episodes about that if you will know more about why

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Speaker 3: people are leaving Venezuela. We have a little more information

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Speaker 3: on some of the people detained. One of them is

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Speaker 3: a makeup artist who's a gay man who was beaten

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Speaker 3: by guards as a US photojournalist. Watch. Another one, the

561
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Speaker 3: Miami Herald is reporting, had been granted legal refugee status,

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Speaker 3: So it seems that they sort of randomly grabbed tattooed Venezuelan's.

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Speaker 3: Some of these people have been through background checks already,

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Speaker 3: right at which they will have disclosed their tattoos. That's

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Speaker 3: one of the things that they'll be asked about, and

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Speaker 3: they would have disclosed those. So whether they control left

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Speaker 3: it or quite how they came across these people as

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Speaker 3: to a little bit unclear. A couple of other things

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Speaker 3: regarding to immigration enforcement this week that have come across

570
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Speaker 3: my radar but probably don't merit a whole episode. It's

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Speaker 3: been reported that the IRS is close to an agreement

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Speaker 3: to hand over the tax records of undocumented people. It's

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Speaker 3: claimed for decades if it won't do this. This is

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Speaker 3: why most documented people pay taxes, right, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Which is something that the conservative is just like don't believe.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so like all these undocumented immigrants are aren't paying

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Speaker 2: taxes like the rest of us, Like no, actually they are.

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Speaker 3: What they're not doing is receiving benefits from those taxes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and yes, and this is a great way to

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Speaker 2: have people want to pay less taxes if they're gonna

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Speaker 2: get their information sent over to like the Gestapo, Like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. The whole point was to not provide

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Speaker 3: a distance. This is similar to why California gives driver's

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Speaker 3: licenses to undocumented people and allows them to ensure vehicles, right,

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Speaker 3: because you don't want to provide a disincentive to have

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Speaker 3: a driver's license, you don't want to provide a disincentive

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Speaker 3: to have insurance. We have now provided a disincentive to

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Speaker 3: pay your taxes for undocumented people. So yeah, that will

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Speaker 3: have consequences, and it will have consequences, especially in industries

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Speaker 3: right like agriculture and construction, and my large numbers of

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Speaker 3: people tend to be undocumented. Talking of undocumented migration, the

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Speaker 3: COMMA secretary Howard Lutnik reports it. He said it's on

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Speaker 3: the All In podcast. He has claimed to have already

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Speaker 3: sold one thousand gold cards. So gold cards. If you

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Speaker 3: didn't listen to our previous.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I feel like I thought, I'm getting dizzy.

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Speaker 4: I'm just like, yeah, I am all yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. There is no pro for applying for receiving a

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Speaker 3: gold card yet, so it's extremely unclear what this means

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Speaker 3: in immigration law terms.

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Speaker 2: So he just got like a thousand texts from millionaires

602
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Speaker 2: being like, yeah, I'll buy one maybe, Like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well multimillionaires five million each, right, like so yeah,

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Speaker 3: apparently not quite clear, Like and like he claims that

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Speaker 3: he sold them, Like is he going around shopping these around?

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Speaker 3: Is this how they're going to replace a tax revenue

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Speaker 3: from undocumented people? Like oh my god, No one knows, no,

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Speaker 3: no one knows what this means. Who do you pay?

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Speaker 3: Like very unclear? So yeah, that's great that that is

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Speaker 3: that it's the current situation with immigration. I also wanted

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Speaker 3: to add at least three people who were aware of

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Speaker 3: died in San Diego County on the fourteenth of March

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Speaker 3: in a storm while crossing the border. One young woman

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Speaker 3: who survived was found next to the remains of her father,

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Speaker 3: who died of exposure in a winter storm out here.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, the border continues to be doing violence to

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Speaker 3: say of the most martinized people alive, which is great.

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Speaker 4: We should pop in here. A story just dropped. Michael Waltz,

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Speaker 4: the National Security advisor who invited Jeffrey to that group

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Speaker 4: chat journalists have found his public venmo every time with

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Speaker 4: the quote, unquote it's full of journalists. I'm just gonna

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Speaker 4: read a quote from an article on Prospect dot org.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Unsurprisingly, Fox News holds the highest headcount for reporters in

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Speaker 4: Mike Waltz's phone. Griff Jenkins, who's Fox dot com bio

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Speaker 4: listen as a Washington based national correspondent for Fox, is

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Speaker 4: joining the list by Brian Kilmead, co host of Fox

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Speaker 4: and Friends. Porter Berry, President and editor of Fox Digital,

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Speaker 4: also made the gut But what right wing reporters are

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Speaker 4: not the only ones represented in Waltz's venmo list, which

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Speaker 4: appears to be less than clean on obsec as Secretary

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Speaker 4: of Defense Heggsceth throat Leland Vintert, a national correspondent for

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Speaker 4: News Nation, is also listed on the digital account, as

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Speaker 4: is Breonna Keeler, American journalist who currently serves as co

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Speaker 4: anchor of the afternoon edition of CNN News Central. Lauren

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Speaker 4: pike Off, an executive producer at MSNBC, is also in

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Speaker 4: Wallas's contacts. Earlier this year, Trump tweeted about the network, Wow,

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Speaker 4: Rachel Maddow has horrible ratings. She'll be off the air soon.

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Speaker 4: But amidst the broadcasters, producers, and talking heads, one name

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Speaker 4: stands out from the crowd. Judith Miller, who was summarily

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Speaker 4: fired from The New York Times after it was revealed

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Speaker 4: that her reporting on the Iraq war was categorically false

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Speaker 4: and obtained almost verbatim from Vice President Dick Cheney. Her

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Speaker 4: dismissal was the price paid for cozying up too close

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Speaker 4: to an administration set on war. It's just like, okay,

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Speaker 4: we don't check any of this, we haven't locked anything down.

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Speaker 2: Good having your public venmo itself is crazy. The fact

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Speaker 2: that he's like the fact that he's like getting like

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Speaker 2: dinner with journalists to be like, I'll I'll send you

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Speaker 2: a Venmo requests for this sushi.

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Speaker 6: Oh man.

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Speaker 3: They've downloaded his entire friends list and you can just scroll.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know you can see everybody.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, he said to get like a fifteen

655
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Speaker 2: dollar venmo requests from Bryan Kilmeade for getting drinks at

656
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Speaker 2: a bar, Like, what are we doing?

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Speaker 3: What are we doing? Yeah? Oh so yeah, how well

658
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Speaker 3: these people make hundreds of thousands, if not millions, two

659
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Speaker 3: dollars you it makes so much money bucks. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's just one drink in DC.

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Speaker 5: So funny. Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: Now I think it's time, folks that we take a

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Speaker 4: little bit of a detour and talk about tariffs.

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Speaker 6: Sorry, locking Jasp, rocking jazz botry, locking, locking.

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Speaker 4: J locking Jasp. Oh my god, I love playing that song.

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Speaker 4: I love playing that song. We don't actually have anything

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Speaker 4: to say about tariffs. MIA's not here. I will note

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Speaker 4: there's a graph going around about the potential cost of

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Speaker 4: Guinness under Trump's tax plan, which is usually around seven

670
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Speaker 4: dollars per pint in the US, and we'll now I'll

671
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Speaker 4: be twenty two to twenty seven dollars after Trump's you know,

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Speaker 4: new new tariffs for imported alcohol that.

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Speaker 3: Reflects its true value. Because it's also yes.

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Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, anyway, We're done. That's all I have to

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Speaker 4: say on tariffs.

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Speaker 5: As long as the twisted tea pricing doesn't get affected,

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Speaker 5: I'll be fine. Then that's good.

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Speaker 3: Good long I comment.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: In some more upsetting news, another student at Columbia has

681
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Speaker 2: been forced into hiding as ICE targets her for deportation.

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Speaker 2: Unsouchung is a twenty one year old permanent resident who

683
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Speaker 2: immigrated to the United States from Korea with her family

684
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Speaker 2: when she was seven. On March ninth, she'd received a

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Speaker 2: text message from Homeland Security Investigations reading, Hyensau, this is

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Speaker 2: Audrey from the police. My job is to reach out

687
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Speaker 2: to you and see if you have any questions about

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Speaker 2: your recent arrest and the process going forward.

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Speaker 5: What are you available for a phone call?

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Speaker 2: So this this message was allegedly friends to being arrested,

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Speaker 2: among others at a recent sit in protest at Bernard

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Speaker 2: College at Columbia. She was charged and then released with

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Speaker 2: misdemeanor obstruction. So after receiving that like sketchy text, right,

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Speaker 2: something that you should never never respond to, you should

695
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Speaker 2: immediately send to your lawyer. But after receiving this text,

696
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Speaker 2: Chung got an email from Columbia Public Safety reading quote

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Speaker 2: the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New

698
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Speaker 2: York has asked us to inform you that Homeland Security

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Speaker 2: Investigation agents are seeking to make contact with you in

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Speaker 2: connection with an administrative warrant for your arrest. Consistent with

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Speaker 2: university's practice, we wanted to share this information and their

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Speaker 2: request with you. If you are represented by counsel, it

703
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Speaker 2: may make sense for your lawyer to speak directly with

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Speaker 2: DHS now. That same day, ICE agents showed up at

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Speaker 2: the home of Chunk's parents, and Chung's lawyer called quote

706
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Speaker 2: unquote to Audrey from the police, who revealed she was

707
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Speaker 2: actually an ICE agent and stated that there was an

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Speaker 2: administrative warrant for her arrest and that the State Department

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Speaker 2: can revoke Miss Chung's residency status. Yes, we're going to

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Speaker 2: talk more about what's happened with miss Chung after this

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Speaker 2: at break.

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Speaker 5: All right, we're back.

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Speaker 2: So, when ICE failed to locate this Columbia University student,

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Speaker 2: they started to enlist the help of federal prosecutors. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to quote from the New York Times who broke

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Speaker 2: this story. Quote on March tenth, Perry Carbone, a high

717
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Speaker 2: ranking lawyer in the federal Prosecutor's office, told miss Amaud

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Speaker 2: Miss Chung's attorney that the Secretary of State Mark Rubio

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Speaker 2: had revoked Miss Chung's visa. Miss Amad responded that Miss

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Speaker 2: Chung was not in the country on a visa and

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Speaker 2: was a permanent resident, according to the lawsuit. Miss Carbone

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Speaker 2: responded that mister Rubio had quote revoked that as well unquote.

723
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Speaker 2: So this similar to like a Mahmudkali like demonstrats that

724
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Speaker 2: like they have no idea of the of the actual

725
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Speaker 2: residency status of the people that they are going after.

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Speaker 2: They are just going after non citizens and may eventually

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Speaker 2: start going after citizens too. Like they're just going after

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Speaker 2: people that they assume have like the least amount of protections,

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Speaker 2: whether that's a Green card holder, whether that's someone on

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Speaker 2: a student visa or a work visa. They don't really

731
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Speaker 2: know going in there. They're just going after people. Then,

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Speaker 2: on March thirteenth, ICE searched two residences on campus with warrants,

733
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Speaker 2: citing a statute for harboring non citizens. The Trump administration

734
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Speaker 2: is arguing that Chung's presence in the United States hinders

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Speaker 2: the administration's foreign policy agenda. One twenty one year old

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Speaker 2: student who was the valve victorian at her high school

737
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Speaker 2: is hindering their foreign policy agenda for attending a sit

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Speaker 2: in protest. Her lawyers note that Chung was not, by

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Speaker 2: any means like a movement leader. She was simply one

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Speaker 2: of hundreds of students who joined in in nationwide protests

741
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Speaker 2: against Israel's actions in Gaza. Her lawyer's right quote, Miss

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Speaker 2: Chung has not made any public statements to the press

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Speaker 2: or otherwise assumed a high profile role in these protests.

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Speaker 2: She was rather one of a large group of college

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Speaker 2: students raising, expressing, and discussing shared concerns. Chung herself had

746
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Speaker 2: previously faced a university disciplinary process, which found that Chung

747
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: was not in violation of any university policy. So in

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Speaker 2: response to the actions of ICE on Homeland Security to

749
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Speaker 2: try to locate and deport her, Chung went into hiding.

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Speaker 2: Her whereabouts are still unknown as the time of recording,

751
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Speaker 2: and her lawyers fouled a lawsuit to prevent her deportation,

752
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Speaker 2: claiming that ICE actions against Chung are illegal and unconstitutional.

753
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Speaker 2: The lawsuit reads quote officials that the highest echalons a

754
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: government are attempting to use immigration enforcement as a bludgeon

755
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Speaker 2: to suppress speech that they dislike, including Miss Chung's speech.

756
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Speaker 2: ICE's shocking actions against Miss Chung form part of a

757
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Speaker 2: larger pattern of attempted US government repression of constitutionally protected

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Speaker 2: protest activity and other forms of speech. Now, this past Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: a federal judge granted a temporary restraining order halting efforts

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Speaker 2: from ICE to detain or relocate Chung. The judge said

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Speaker 2: that there is quote nothing in the record indicating that

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Speaker 2: Chung is a danger to the community or a quote

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Speaker 2: unquote foreign policy risk, or that she is communicated with

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Speaker 2: terrorist organizations. The judge said that there would be quote

765
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Speaker 2: no trips to Louisiana here, quote, referring to the movement

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Speaker 2: of Khalil to ICE attention in Louisiana. A DHS statement

767
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Speaker 2: said that ICE is going to quote investigate individuals engage

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Speaker 2: in activities in support of hamas a foreign terrorist organization unquote.

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Speaker 2: The statement also claimed that Chung would have an opportunity

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Speaker 2: to present her case before an immigration judge, which is

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Speaker 2: like contrary to incidence of ICE just deporting people before

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Speaker 2: they're legally required hearings, even like in defiance of like

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Speaker 2: extra court orders mandating those hearings, Like ICE is just

774
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Speaker 2: lying here and I think it's worth pointing out, like

775
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Speaker 2: what types of people they are going after right now.

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Speaker 2: One type of person that ICE is going after is

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Speaker 2: like non citizens who were arrested at protests, regardless of

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Speaker 2: what they actually did.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 2: This can be anything from standing in the street to

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Speaker 2: doing a sit in protest to just like being arrested

782
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Speaker 2: on campus and removed by campus police or NYPD, right, like,

783
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Speaker 2: just just any arrest like on record that shows you

784
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Speaker 2: at one of these protests.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The other in the cases like Khalil, like he was

787
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Speaker 2: never arrested. He was the subject of a mass doxing

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Speaker 2: campaign by other students at Columbia, professors and other you know,

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Speaker 2: quote unquote anti Semitism organizations which target high profile activists

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Speaker 2: to create like public pressure against them, and those same

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Speaker 2: lists are now being used by the Trump administration to

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Speaker 2: target students.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Pita had one, right, Beta, the ultra Zionist people

794
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Speaker 3: who are going around like attempting to fucking present people

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Speaker 3: with pages, I think they were one of the groups

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Speaker 3: that had created like a quote unquote depote list. So

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Speaker 3: we should just mention that a tough student, romeaser Oz Turk,

798
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Speaker 3: was essentially abducted on her way to university. Right, there's

799
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Speaker 3: video which will link in the show notes here, very

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Speaker 3: very frightening video of her just standing on the sidewalk.

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Speaker 3: As first one man approaches her in like a in

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Speaker 3: like a like a navy hoodie, put mask on his face,

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Speaker 3: approaches her, stops her.

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Speaker 2: And then as soon as they start engaging in conversation,

805
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Speaker 2: she gets surrounded by like five other people, all wearing

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Speaker 2: like what I would describe as like a gray man

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Speaker 2: block essentially that they then like pull out badges and

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Speaker 2: they like detain her. And it's interesting like as they approach,

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Speaker 2: most of these people are unmasked, and then as soon

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Speaker 2: as people realize what's happening, like like like people in

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Speaker 2: the neighborhood it realize what's happening, they all start pulling

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Speaker 2: up like a like half faced mask like gators.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, gators.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: They looked to me more like than anything the way

817
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Speaker 4: prowdboys dressed a lot in like Jordany in nineteen twenty twenty. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's yeah, like.

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Speaker 3: Like it's extremely concerning, Like yes, when you you start

820
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Speaker 3: seeing at these people mass people snatching people off the street. Right,

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Speaker 3: she asked if she asked if she can call the

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Speaker 3: cops and they say, we are the police. It looks

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Speaker 3: like her phone falls out of her hand at some

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Speaker 3: point they take her bag. We know this because it

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Speaker 3: seems like somebody was filming from a building just above,

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Speaker 3: and you can hear that people say like why are

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Speaker 3: you covering your person?

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Speaker 5: Saying why are you wearing masks?

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Speaker 3: Why are you covering your faces?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the guy, the guy filming, is like doing

831
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Speaker 4: about what he can, given the fact that you have

832
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Speaker 4: to assume he had no real idea what was happening

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Speaker 4: initially other than like something visibly fucked up, Like I'm

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Speaker 4: glad he said the things that he said.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so yeah, she's a Turkish citizen who is

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Speaker 2: in the States on a student visa in Boston, Massachusetts

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Speaker 2: or outside Boston, Massachusetts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's on a F one visa. So just a

839
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Speaker 3: couple of dates to a few days before she was seized,

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Speaker 3: she was like Her name was published by Canary Mission Right.

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Speaker 3: Canary Mission is a desionist group that has been boxing

842
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Speaker 3: for Palestine or anti genocide people for several years now.

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Speaker 3: She had co edited an op ed in the Toughest

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Speaker 3: Daily last year. It seems to be how they were

845
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Speaker 3: able to identify her. But as Garrison said, right like,

846
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Speaker 3: in terms of how they're picking their targets right now,

847
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Speaker 3: it seems to be heavily tied disease vigil anti Zionists,

848
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Speaker 3: far right groups. I did see that a judge has

849
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Speaker 3: already ruled that she shouldn't be left, she shouldn't be

850
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Speaker 3: removed from Massachusetts without further consultation with that judge.

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Speaker 4: And we don't know if she has been or not already.

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Speaker 5: But this is this is continuing to happen, right. We

853
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Speaker 5: talked about it this last week.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to do a whole episode next week about this,

855
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Speaker 2: about this issue.

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Speaker 3: She is in Louisiana. Sorry, update, she has already been

857
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Speaker 3: moved to Louisiana. Yeah, so I'm just reading a truth

858
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Speaker 3: out piece here. Officials initially did not specify wells have

859
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Speaker 3: been taken and Canarbi it's her lawyer was unable to

860
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Speaker 3: reach her. Later on Wednesday, Hanabis said an emotion that

861
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Speaker 3: she was informed by a senator's office that the student

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Speaker 3: was already transferred to Louisiana.

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Speaker 2: It's like in a matter of hours they worked to

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Speaker 2: get her like outside of yeah, her like home state

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Speaker 2: or she probably has more legal protections.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not something that's super uncommon. I've seen them

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Speaker 3: do this with what they called lateral transfers under Title

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Speaker 3: forty two, where they would move people. Under Title forty two,

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Speaker 3: they can immediately return people to Mexico, right, And what

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Speaker 3: they would do is laterally transfer them along the border

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Speaker 3: and return them to another location in Mexico, which obviously

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Speaker 3: led to them being completely dislocated when they were dropped

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Speaker 3: in Mexico.

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Speaker 2: Something else that I want to note is the use

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Speaker 2: of this harboring non citizens warrant. Like, one problem that

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Speaker 2: ICE can run into often is that people can choose

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Speaker 2: just to not answer the door. I usually likes to

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Speaker 2: rely on people that have already been arrested or already

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Speaker 2: detained by like police. Right, that makes it much easier

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Speaker 2: for immigration officials to find people. Without that, locating people

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Speaker 2: can be a little bit harder. With the use of

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Speaker 2: this like harboring non citizens warrant, that shows like there's

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Speaker 2: trying to create this precedent for being able to actually

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Speaker 2: break into more people's homes even though you know she

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Speaker 2: had a permanent resident status. This is just like in

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Speaker 2: terms of the tactic being used, similar to like you

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Speaker 2: know this all these like gray Man block people approaching

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Speaker 2: you on the street one by one. That's like a

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Speaker 2: tactic to take note of. The use of this type

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Speaker 2: of warrant is also something to take note of. We

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Speaker 2: are already at that point where people are like are

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Speaker 2: like going into hiding. Right, This is like very very

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Speaker 2: like dystopian ya coded stuff where you're like you are

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Speaker 2: literally as like as a twenty one year old like junior,

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Speaker 2: being forced to go into hiding because federal agents are

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Speaker 2: after you because you sat down. Yeah, you sat down

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Speaker 2: in front of a building in protest of a genocide.

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Speaker 2: You're a You're not even a movement leader, and this

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Speaker 2: this type of thing shouldn't even happen to quote unquote

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Speaker 2: movement leaders.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, there's the very First Amendment protects your right

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Speaker 3: to do that exactly.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But like regardless of whether or not you're involved in

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Speaker 2: like the planning the organization, whether or not you're making

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Speaker 2: statements depressed, whether or not you're you're you're giving speeches,

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Speaker 2: if you just attend these sorts of things, you are

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Speaker 2: you are a target by what is like very obviously

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Speaker 2: a modern version of like gestopo like actions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's also quite revealing that she's somewhat

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Speaker 3: successfully gone into hiding, right, Like it suggests that, yeah,

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Speaker 3: their intelligent operation is not sordvioleance that they were able

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Speaker 3: to immediately find her.

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Speaker 4: Well, No, because again, the resources to do stuff like

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Speaker 4: trace somebody down by their shoes from like surveillance camera

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Speaker 4: footage exists. We saw it used on those lawyers who

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Speaker 4: let police vehicle fire twenty twenty. But like, there's not

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Speaker 4: really much in the way a crime's going on here.

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Speaker 4: And there also there's so many of these people, Like

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Speaker 4: the idea that you would you would pull all of

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Speaker 4: the footage that you would need to track every one

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Speaker 4: of these, it's just it's just not feasible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think they'll just go off to someone

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Speaker 3: else right to get the headlined. But I'll be following

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Speaker 3: this one with interest because it's sort of it's sort

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Speaker 3: of an alternative outcome to the other ones that we've

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Speaker 3: seen so far, So it'd just be revelatory to see

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Speaker 3: how it goes. Yeah, So if you want to con

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Speaker 3: take us about any of this, maybe if you're seeing

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Speaker 3: things happening on your campus, if you have anything you'd

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Speaker 3: like to share, things that you think we've missed, you

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Speaker 3: can do so. The email address is cool Zone tips

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Speaker 3: at proton dot me. Proton Mail is an encrypted email service.

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Speaker 3: It's only end to end encrypted like signal. If you

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Speaker 3: send it from a proton mail address, don't copy any

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Speaker 3: Atlantic journalists on your email and you should be good

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Speaker 3: to go.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to everyone who's been sending those messages. It

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Speaker 2: does take time for us to go through all of them.

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Speaker 2: Not all of them will have a response, but we

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Speaker 2: are reading them.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I am still working on a piece in the Lavender scare.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff happening regarding, you know, suppressing

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Speaker 2: and going after trans people in the military. This takes time,

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Speaker 2: but we are working on that slowly but surely, as

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Speaker 2: well as stuff regarding ice targeting students and what's going

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Speaker 2: on in Columbia, so we appreciate that. The last thing

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about is this past Monday, the

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Speaker 2: IDF killed two Palistinian journalists in Gaza in separate air strikes.

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Speaker 2: Mohammad Mansour, who works for Palestine Today, was killed quote

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Speaker 2: in his house in southern Gaza, alongside his wife and

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Speaker 2: his son without any prior warning. According to al Jazeira.

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Speaker 2: Later that day, the IDF killed a twenty three year

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Speaker 2: old Palestinian journalist, Hassam Shabbat, in a targeted airstrike while

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Speaker 2: he was driving his car in northern Gaza. I want

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Speaker 2: to read this statement from Hassam quote. If you're reading this,

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Speaker 2: it means I have been killed, most likely targeted by

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Speaker 2: the Israeli occupation forces. When all this began, I was

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Speaker 2: only twenty one years old, a college student with dreams

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Speaker 2: like anyone else. For the past eighteen months, I've dedicated

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Speaker 2: every moment of my life to my people. I documented

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Speaker 2: the horrors in northern Gaza, minute by minute, determined to

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Speaker 2: show the world the truth they tried to bury. I

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Speaker 2: slept on pavements, in schools, intents, anywhere I could. Each

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Speaker 2: day was a battle for survival. I endured hunger for months,

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Speaker 2: yet I never left my people's side. God, I fulfilled

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Speaker 2: my duty as a journalist. I risked everything to report

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Speaker 2: the truth, and now I am finally at rest, something

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Speaker 2: I haven't known in the past eighteen months. I did

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Speaker 2: all this because I believe in the Palestinian cause. I

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Speaker 2: believe this land is ours, and it has been the

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Speaker 2: highest honor of my life to die defending it and

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Speaker 2: serving its people. I ask you now, do not stop

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Speaker 2: speaking about Gaza. Do not let the world look away,

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Speaker 2: keep fighting, keep telling our stories until Palestine is free.

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