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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a gorgeous young mom and

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Speaker 1: her little girl, just four year old sailor go missing.

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Speaker 1: Where is Cassie? I mean, I see Grace. This is

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at

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Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven. First of all,

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Speaker 1: r TV. This is the woman Cassie Carly. She was

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Speaker 1: last seen on Sunday, Sunday night. We are in of

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Speaker 1: our beach, so right when you get off the bridge

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Speaker 1: are told by a friend of hers that on Sunday

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Speaker 1: she was scheduled to meet up with the father of

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Speaker 1: any of you with children in that situation know how

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Speaker 1: that works. They were supposed to meet here so she

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Speaker 1: received a text message saying that Cassie was having some

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Speaker 1: the friend that I talked to his house, which that

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Speaker 1: Star panel to make sense of what we know regarding

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Speaker 1: where is Cassie Carly. First of all, Sam Porter, her

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Speaker 1: Whereabouts Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red Flags an

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Speaker 1: hosted today, would doctor Wendy on KCBQ, Doctor Debbie Joffy,

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Speaker 1: Ella Psychologists joining US professor Columbia University, and author Robert

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Speaker 1: Freschett joining US Detector with Rochester PD from the Strafford

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Speaker 1: County Family Justice Center. But first straight out to Nicole Parton,

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Speaker 1: joining US Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not clear on when Cassie and her daughter Sailor

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Speaker 1: exactly go missing. Could you please reconstruct what we know

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Speaker 1: of that night? Sure, Nancy. So what we know is

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Speaker 1: that Cassie had been spotted and we know her last

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Speaker 1: She's there at Navari Beach. We know that she's well,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, when you say there at Navari Beach.

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Speaker 1: She was out on the beach. She was not a

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Speaker 1: spot where she had arranged to meet her daughter's father

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Speaker 1: so that they could exchange the child. Kind of a

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Speaker 1: she was spotted in the parking lot, is that correct?

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Speaker 1: That's correct? Did she have the daughter sailor with her?

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Speaker 1: Those reports are unclear. There is no confirmation that anyone

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Speaker 1: seen in Navar Beach, Sana Rosa County on Sunday evening.

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Speaker 1: This according to what the local sheriff has to say,

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Speaker 1: she was last seen almost four days. Now. Can you

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Speaker 1: speak to whether that's concerning to keep going yet another

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and we take everything seriously. Missing

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Speaker 1: it's unclear if the daughter was there at that seven

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Speaker 1: Typically a Sunday night, the crime rate goes down. Why

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Speaker 1: looking at a shot of Juana. It spelled like Juana.

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Speaker 1: The name ju Ana Juana, Pagodas and sailors. Grill, Navarre's

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Speaker 1: take place, and he was unable to make contact with

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00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 1: her or he was unable to make contact on her

426
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: cell phone. From that point forward, he began contacting Marcus

427
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: to inquire of her whereabouts and exactly what happened. He

428
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: didn't receive a response from Marcus until a proximately mid

429
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: afternoon on Monday, and when he did, it was a

430
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: very lengthy rant. He began wrapped rambling on and on

431
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 1: about Cassie acting crazy. He mentioned again the car having

432
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: mechanical issues and her cell phone not working, and then

433
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: he stated that she was acting so crazy that he

434
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: took her to my residence and her father messaged back,

435
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: you mean Sam, and he said yes, and then Cassie's

436
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: father said Sam no longer lived than Deston, and then

437
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: he immediately changed his story to, well, she was acting

438
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: so crazy that I was not going to expose Sailor

439
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: to that behavior, and I quote unquote put Cassie out

440
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere. Okay, I don't like it

441
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: when people change your stories. Now, it could be argued

442
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: he was going to your house and then her behavior

443
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: got so bizarre he dropped her off out in the

444
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. That's a real stretch. And in the

445
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: midst of all of this, we're still looking for four

446
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: year old sailor Sam. Let me understand something. When Cassie

447
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: was going to meet there at Juan's grill, was she

448
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: picking up or dropping off Sailor with dad? She was

449
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: scheduled to pick up Sailor. Cassie maintains seventy five percent

450
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: custody and Marcus has twenty five percent, meaning that he

451
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: legal custody of Sailor only every other week Friday evening

452
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: to Sunday evening. In their written court order, the scheduled

453
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: legal location for them to exchange custody is in the

454
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: Destin Walmart parking lot. That is a very populated area

455
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: and very well lit. And over the last several weeks

456
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: since he was served with a court order to pay

457
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: child sport in arrears, he has started creating this scenario

458
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: of I'm gonna be the nice guy. Cassie lived in

459
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: in the bar, so to go to Destin was quite

460
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: a stretch for her, especially in tourist season traffic. Twelve

461
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: miles in tourist season's going to take you an hour

462
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: to make that drive. So he he bathed her to

463
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: come to this area under the guide that he was

464
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: doing her a favor. There has been a long standing

465
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: custody problem between Cassie and the X Take a listen

466
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: to our cut six climb online. According to Cassie Carley,

467
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: she filed for sole custody of Sailor in twenty nineteen.

468
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: The court allowed Spanavello bimonthly visitation and ordered him to

469
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: pay child support. Cassie claims Spanavello owes over ten thousand

470
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: dollars in back child's support. She further claims when Florida

471
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: was preparing to suspend his driver's license over the child's

472
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,479
Speaker 1: support delinquency, he called CPS to report another claim against her.

473
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 1: Due to this claim, Spanavello was allowed to pick up

474
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: Sailor for his regularly scheduled weekend visit. Cassie claims for

475
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: the next two weeks, she had no contact with her daughter,

476
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: had no knowledge of where her daughter was, and she

477
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: sought out help from several agencies to get Sailor back.

478
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: It was this situation that led to her sister set

479
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: up a go fund Me to help raise money to

480
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: hire an attorney to take the custody fight back to

481
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: court to prevent something like this from happening again. Time

482
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace with me is Sam Porter or

483
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: Cassie Carley's dear friend. I'm trying to figure out exactly

484
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: I know there's a custody problem brewing. Is it correct

485
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: that he actually kept the baby for two full weeks

486
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: and did not let her have contact and she's the

487
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: one that has sole physical custody. Absolutely, that's correct. Nancy.

488
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: Not only did he keep her away, it was it

489
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: appeared as though he was at that time attempting to

490
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: flee the country to Brazil with Sailor. We were unable

491
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: to locate Sailor. Cassie was in her own efforts sharing

492
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: the social media. It seemed as though no one was

493
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: taking her seriously. She filed multiple police reports, and what

494
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: we came to learn is that at that time that

495
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: particular situation, he had taken Sailor to a location in Alabama.

496
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: So it complicated the situation in efforts to once we

497
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: knew where she was, to be able to for Cassie

498
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: to be able to go and get her daughter. So

499
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: he actually crossed the state lines with the baby, which

500
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure it is against custody, any and all custody agreements.

501
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: He took the baby across state lines. Absolutely. Let me

502
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: advise everyone that the bio dad of sailor Or, Marcus Spanavello,

503
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: a Brazilian national, is not named a suspect, not named

504
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: a suspect. Now in the middle of all of this,

505
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: Nicole parton the baby is found. Explain that's right. So

506
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: the police department released a statement confirming that they had

507
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: a lead, and they followed that lead and they quote

508
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: went out and laid eyes on the child, put eyes

509
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: on the child to make sure she was safe. They

510
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: wanted to verify and see her with their own eyes.

511
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: They did not disclose where they saw her, but they

512
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: did confirm that the child was safe and that they

513
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: had laid eyes on her. Sam Porter a very dear

514
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: friend of missing mom Cassie Crawley. So, praise Heaven, baby

515
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: Sailor is alive and well. But her location should give

516
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: us some clue as to where we should look for Cassie.

517
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 1: Where was Sailor found? Absolutely so, we initially were focusing

518
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: our efforts in the location of where Cassie's car was found.

519
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: Our search area has broadened now from the bar into

520
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: Panama City, Pensacola, and every highway and byway between here

521
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: and Jefferson County, Alabama. So we know for certain we

522
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: don't have an exact city nor address or that has

523
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: not been disclosed to us. We can confirm that Sailor

524
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: that her welfare has been checked. As far as being

525
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 1: using the words safe, I would not use that term

526
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: because Marcus, still maintaining legal custody, can go and at

527
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: free will and not be able to be detained by

528
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: police at this point take possession of sailor again and

529
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: run with her again. Well, I mean he's done it before. Absolutely,

530
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: he's left and take According to you, he's taken her

531
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: before to Alabama. Do you know where in Alabama he

532
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: had her before? The little baby? It was in the

533
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: we know the approximate area where he was and it's

534
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: all in the Jeffards County, Alabama county. Guys. It sounds

535
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: like a big distance, but actually where we're talking about

536
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: Navari Beach, Santa Rosa County, Pensacola destined Fort Walton. That

537
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: is the Panhandle. It's one of the most beautiful sugar

538
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: beaches in the world. But we say he took the

539
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: baby to Alabama. Alabama is also on the Panhandle. It

540
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: the Panhandle on the interior of Florida curves around. So

541
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: when you say he left Florida went to Alabama, it

542
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 1: may not be that far. What's the county seat? Okay,

543
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: So that is further Birmingham from Santa Rosa County. It's

544
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: much further than something, for instance, like op or Enterprise

545
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: or Hey Cody, So that is a much further drive.

546
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: Nicole Parton, do you have any information about how the

547
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: baby was found? Did you say a tip. The police

548
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: department says that they were given at the through the

549
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: entire investigation, that they were led to believe that the

550
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: child was not in danger. They did not disclose what

551
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: led them to believe that, but they say that's the

552
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: track they followed. They went out for themselves to lay

553
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: eyes on the child, and they did and they made

554
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: sure she was safe. That's the police departments. The quote,

555
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: Sam Porter, do you know that baby Sailor is not

556
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: with Cassie's dad? I can confirm that, yes, that Sailor

557
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: is not currently in Florida with family nor friends. Are

558
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: you saying she's in Alabama. Sailor is still in Alabama,

559
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: and we are working very closely with our local sheriff's

560
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: department and a private attorney to file all the necessary

561
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: paperwork to obtain a court order to get her back.

562
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: That's now. That process is now three days in the work.

563
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: We started that process immediately on Monday, and we are

564
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: now The delay in that is we are dealing with

565
00:37:52,760 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: multiple jurisdictions and a slow court process. While our natural

566
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: minds can't well, we can't grasp that, and it's frustrating.

567
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: We are taking all the legal steps to do this

568
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 1: correctly if you know or think you know anything about

569
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: the whereabouts about this gorgeous young mom Cassie Curly. Tipline

570
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: is eight five zero four three seven stop eight five

571
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: zero four three seven seven eight six seven, or you

572
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: can text star Star tips T I P. S to

573
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: doctor Debbie Joffe, la psychologist, professor, Columbia University and author,

574
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: Doctor Debbie, I'm very concerned, and I'll tell you why.

575
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: I'm concerned because taking a child away from the mother

576
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: who has primary custody physical custody, and keeping the child

577
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: away for two weeks that is unauthorized, is tortuous and

578
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: cruel to the mother, and it makes me concerned what

579
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: else this dad might do to the mother. Yeah, you're

580
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: right to be concerned. I mean, it's highly likely that

581
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 1: he's feeling entitled. He may be feeling enraged and intense

582
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: anger like that can lead to impulsive, irrational behavior. If

583
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: Kathy has been dumped, who knows where, we have to

584
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: hope that she has enough food, water warms to sustain her.

585
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, I trust that the father will be thoroughly

586
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: questioned and watched because there is potential for him to

587
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: act out in a more irrational rageful way. You know, again,

588
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: no one has been named as a suspect, and the

589
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: disappearance of young mom Cassie Crawley to Robert Frost joining us.

590
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: Custody issues are so volatile. Agree or disagree, Oh, I

591
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: agree hundred percent. They are some of the biggest catalysts

592
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: for some bad behavior, especially when a decision is made

593
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: that's not in the abuser's best interest in their mind,

594
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: then perhaps their agenda changes and their need for controlling

595
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 1: that narrative and controlling that situation goes to a dangerous level.

596
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 1: You know, Robert Frischet, one of my very best girlfriends,

597
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: is a defense lawyer. She's a dope lawyer. She says

598
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: she would rather represent a drug lord than get in

599
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: the middle of a divorce where custody is at issue,

600
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: because they one or the other party will totally drive

601
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: by your house in the middle of and I take

602
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,280
Speaker 1: a shot at the lawyer, like the lawyer's got something

603
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 1: to do with keeping the children away from the parents.

604
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it is a highly volatile issue. We often

605
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: hear of cops going to break up a domestic or

606
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 1: a custody problem, getting shot a completely third party they've

607
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: never met get shot. It's a very, very incendiary issue.

608
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 1: This brings to mind another case that we covered out

609
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: of Florida. She's often been called the people people's court mom.

610
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Matt Gutman with ABC

611
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: News Our Cut five. Parker was last seen around two

612
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: pm Thursday, dropping her kids off at Smith's home. At

613
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: about four pm, her brother received a short text from her,

614
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: but she never showed up for her six pm bartending shift.

615
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: Her iPhone last pined at a cell phone tower at

616
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: eight pm, then total silence. At this point for eleven

617
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: year old calls his grandmother, Yvonne Stewart, to ask where's mom,

618
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: and her son called and said, is mom at the salon?

619
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: Or like? No, honey, she went to drop off the babies.

620
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: She should be home, she should be taking a nap.

621
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: She was, well, I've seen her since since I got

622
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: home from school. On Friday, police found her black Hummer

623
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 1: near in Orlando Mall she rarely visited, and on Sunday

624
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: they searched her ex fiancee's home and a nearby field

625
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: as she ever disappeared before, ever not called or taking

626
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: a few hours just to be by herself. Parker's mother

627
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 1: Yvonne Stewart has been desperately searching for her daughter for

628
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: four days now. In that case, Michelle Parker has never

629
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: been found. She was last known to be dropping off

630
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: her children with the X. In that case, Ah, there

631
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: has been no progress to Sam Porter or a very

632
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: dear friend of Cassie Crawley's. Cassie's car was found right

633
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: there at the pickuff spot. No, that is not correct.

634
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: The original spot was at Juana's Patagonia's grill. It's a

635
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: smaller parking area, very well lit. We have confirmation from

636
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: citizen and witnesses that Marcus Santavello parked in the rear

637
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: parking lot, which has both access and no lighting. He

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Speaker 1: actually backed his trailer thirty foot trailer, so the doors

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Speaker 1: of that trailer were facing the sand dunes and concealed

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Speaker 1: when Cassie arrived. We have witnesses that report and confirm

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Speaker 1: that Cassie parked facing his vehicle, and that area is

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Speaker 1: completely dark. It is nearly impossible to see much more

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Speaker 1: than shapes and shadows. So her call then was found

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Speaker 1: there at once that it was found in the rear

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Speaker 1: parking lot, so it's actually probably a little less than

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Speaker 1: a quarter mile from the actual restaurant. It's a very

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Speaker 1: unusual spot for a pickup and drop off. Again, the

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Speaker 1: tip line is eight five zero four three seven stop

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Speaker 1: eight five zero four three seven seven eight six seven.

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Speaker 1: Please help us find Passie Roley Nancy Grace's five story

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Speaker 1: signing off good