1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg day Baker for this Tuesday, the twenty 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: fourth of January in London. Coming up this hour, leguard 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: on Guard, the ECB president, says the bank will stay 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: the course on inflation searching for competition, the US Justice 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: Department prepares to sue Google over its digital ad dominance. 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: In a tweet, elon Must tells a jury he had 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: the funding needed to take Tessler private and twenty eighteen 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: regulator role reversal, low tax loons and putting the OH 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: in O N s. Those are the stories we're looking 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: at in today's papers. I'm James Wilcock. Plus Apple takes 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: hand eye coordination to the next level with a three 12 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: thousand dollar mixed reality headset. That's all straight ahead on 13 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: Bloomberg day Break Europe on d A B Digital Radio London, 14 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: Bloomberg eleven three oh New York, Bloomberg Washington, d C, 15 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg one O six one, Boston, Bloomberg nine sixties, San Francisco, 16 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: Cyrus XM Channel one nineteen, and around the world on 17 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio dot Com and via the Bloomberg Business Set. 18 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: Good morning, I'm Stephen Carroll and I'm Caroline Hecker. Here 19 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: are the stories that we're following today. ECB President Christine 20 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: Legarde says the bank will do everything necessary to return 21 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: inflation to its two percent goal. In a speech in Germany, 22 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: Laguard pointed to more significant interest rate increases in coming meetings. 23 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 1: That view is supported by JP Morgan's CEIO for Fixed 24 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: Income Ian Steely, who told Bloomberg's Jonathan Pharaoh that the 25 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: Central Bank has a way to go on rate hikes. 26 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: We were in a world where they were hiking rates 27 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: to deal with inflation. Now inflation is coming or likely 28 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: to come off because what's happening in energy prices that 29 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: should be good for the economy. Growth was supposed. We're 30 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: supposed to be in recession in Europe at the moment, 31 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: and we're not. So are the e C began and 32 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: maybe have to go slower but further as they try 33 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: to battle it. Does the ECB hike more than the Fed? 34 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: In yes, Steele's comment that add to the unfolding debate 35 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: over whether a slowdown in the pace of rate heights 36 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: is appropriate as inflation dips from all time highs. The 37 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: US Justice Department is poised to sue Google over the 38 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: search giants dominance and the digital advertising market. Bloomberg sources 39 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: say the case is expected to be filed in a 40 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: federal court before the end of the week. That also 41 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: will mark the Justice Department's second monopoly case against parent 42 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: company Alphabet. Google has said the market for online advertising 43 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: it's crowded and competitive. During his second day on the 44 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: stand in his security food trial, Elon Musk has defended 45 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: his tweet about taking Tesla private with more his Bloomberg's 46 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: head Baxter, the Crush of Tasham only shuttered around a 47 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: deal with a Shoudy public investment fund. He said he 48 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: had had a handshake agreement in getting help going private, 49 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: but then they began to back pedal on the arrangement 50 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: after his goal private tweet. He also said he had 51 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 1: support from Larry La Shan as well as two other 52 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: investment firms. Musco also noted the wording of the text 53 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: that he was contemplating taking the company private. He's back 54 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 1: on the stand today in San Francisco. I'm at Baxter 55 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Daybreak Europe for his plans to cut around three thousand, 56 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: two hundred jobs across Europe, with the majority concentrated in Germany. 57 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: The cuts effect roles in development and administrative areas. It 58 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: follows workforce reductions in the US has forward slashers costs 59 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: in a shift towards electric vehicles and apples. Long anticipated 60 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: mixed reality headset would attempt to create a three D 61 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: version of the iPhones operating system. So also say that 62 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: it would include eye and hand tracking systems that could 63 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: set the technology apart from rival products. Bloombergs Apple correspondent 64 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: Mark German explains how it works. Where you control the 65 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: device is you can just look at something, whether you 66 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: want to launch an app, whether you want to swipe 67 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: through a list or toggle a setting, look at it 68 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: and then you pinch your thumb and your index finger 69 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: together when you're looking at it to launch it. Just 70 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,839 Speaker 1: like on a touch screen you tap what you want 71 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: or on a mouse you point the cursor toward it 72 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: and then you click. This is you look and tap 73 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: your fingers together. So pretty nifty, Mark German. There well, 74 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: he says. The roughly three thousand dollar device will be 75 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: out later this year. It will probably be called Reality Probe. Well. 76 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: Here in the UK, Prime Minister Ishi soon Ac has 77 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: ordered a probe into Conservative Party Chairman of Deans and 78 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: how he's tax affairs. So how he says he was 79 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: careless with his tax affairs following a report that he 80 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: paid a five million pound bill to Revenue and Customs. 81 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: Labor Leader Kir Starmer condemned the lack of ethics. So 82 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: how we can't stay as Tory Party chair. The very 83 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: idea he can be discussing and negotiating his own tax 84 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: affairs with the body that he's supposed to be running. 85 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: Everybody knows it's wrong. Labor Leader Kir Starmer, there he 86 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: will be questioning the Prime Minister tomorrow. The PMS announced 87 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: probe follows allegations about financial impropriety among the Conservative Party 88 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: that have undermined the Prime Minister has planed to run 89 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: an administration beyond reproach. Okay, those are a few of 90 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 1: our top stories for you this morning. Listen. I've pulled 91 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: out of one of the kind of piles of most 92 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: interesting stories I've read this morning, Barkley's warning that there's 93 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: a real risk of greenwashing. We've talked so much over 94 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: the last couple of years around E s G. They 95 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: say that actually there's a real clash emerging market countries 96 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: want debt relief, they want to explore that sometimes that's 97 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: being tied to commitments to preserve nature. Barkley's have done 98 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: a lot of work and some research into this. They say, 99 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: actually the amount of money that goes towards this nature 100 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: conservation goals in those deals is often a small fraction 101 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: of the transaction size, so we should be really quite wary. 102 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: I think that's quite interesting that the E s G 103 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: is getting a lot of the sort of light what 104 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: has been seen as a win win. Actually their wide 105 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: could be green washing. No interesting stuff on my list 106 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: of interesting stories today is that the reopening of China's 107 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: borders could help the UK economy because of the tourists 108 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: coming here to spend more money. This is according to 109 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: apparently Yes point to percentage points of GDP could be 110 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: added to growth in three This is according to Credit 111 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: Suite Stars that Chinese tourists and stronger UK exports could 112 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: help things when it comes to China's reopening her helping 113 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: the UK. My god, well, I did see the photographs 114 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: actually of Chinese tourist returning to Tie Beaches for the 115 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: Lunar New Year holiday, so yeah it is. I mean 116 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: that that Chinese tourism business is worth so much money, 117 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: okay up next regulator role reverse or low tax loons 118 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: and putting the oh in O and s now. The 119 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: paper review on blue Bird Daybreak Europe. The news you 120 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,679 Speaker 1: need to know from today's papers FLO makes James Walcok 121 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: joins US now with the details. James the former Chancellor 122 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: and deems the Harwi is on the front pages today 123 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: mainly because Rishi Sunaka is now ordered a probe into 124 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: his tax affairs. The FT says that Zahari is fighting 125 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: for his political life. The Mirror headline the only way 126 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: is ethics. But that aside, James, you're interested in some 127 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: other FT stories, and in particular the UK beginning post 128 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: Brexit review of the EU's investor fund regulation. This is 129 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: quite interesting, exactly, Kathy. You emphasize that just perfectly because 130 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: for a long time this story has been the other 131 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: way around. It's been sort of the EU looking at 132 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: the UK's financial stability. But so part of the Brexit 133 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: deal was that EU based funds can continue to use 134 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: these kind of passports into the sort of the UK's 135 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: market until five and you get holds actually two trillion 136 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: pounds in cash and EU offshore financial center. So this 137 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: isn't a small amount, and that's predominantly Island and Luxembourg. Now. 138 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: During the pension fund meltdown last September, the ft and 139 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: this piece, it was predominantly pension fund vehicles based in 140 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: Ireland and Luxembourg that were the ones that the Bank 141 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: of England were bailing out. So now UK watchdogs are 142 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: writing to the EU counterpart to say, so what are 143 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: your safeguards and as their regulations diverge. It turns out 144 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: that bank from the Governor Andrew Bailey last week Todd 145 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: MPs that he wasn't that impressed and he doesn't think 146 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: these things are going to improve because the EU say 147 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: they can't change their regulations until five, which is when 148 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: they're getting a mandate, which is also when these passports 149 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: run out. So increasingly the UK is now looking at 150 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: these kind of large amounts of money in Europe and 151 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: saying we're not sure this is good for our financial stability. Okay. 152 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: In the Times, William Hague is writing a piece there 153 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 1: and he's warning watch out Rishi Sunac Low tax loons 154 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: are circling. It's quite something, Stephen, when a former leader 155 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: of the Conservative Party is calling his own MPs loons um. 156 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: So William hag doesn't name this MP, but is corking 157 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: about a recent meeting Rishi Sunac had with his own backbench. 158 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: Is what he's saying, you all understand I can't do 159 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: tax cuts. And one reporters saying I do want tax 160 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,599 Speaker 1: cuts and I'm not an idiot. Well, William Hagan is 161 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: politely saying you are an idiot, and it's a Tory 162 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: calling for public spending. This is unusual arguments, so I 163 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: think it's worth pointing out in the papers. He's saying 164 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: that defense does not need a small amount of money 165 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 1: if you look at Ukraine. He says, we also need 166 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: green substidutes to combat what's happening in the US, and 167 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: ultimately central banks might be underestimating inflation. We don't know. 168 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: And the quieteying mini budget was a sure fire way 169 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: of saying, actually, trying to have a tax reduction during 170 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: a period of high interest rates and inflation doesn't work. 171 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: So he sums us up by saying that Pete voters 172 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: want economic competence from the Tories, not just tax cuts. 173 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: There is more to politics than just offering a sort 174 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: of a short term incentive. Yeah, I mean on the 175 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: other hand, one can have a bit of sympathy for 176 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: the MP. The MP understands that with the cost of 177 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: living crisis, his own constituents are watching their tax bills 178 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: rise and that's a stress point, isn't it. And that's 179 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: the debate that they're going to have over the next year. 180 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: And the challenges you face are trying to hold these 181 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: two wings together. Yeah, absolutely, you're stuck on the times. 182 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: Though this morning changed because there's another story, but this 183 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: time about the n S, the Office for National Statistics 184 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: and what's going on. I couldn't get away from this one, 185 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: so long story short. Obviously, there has published a lot 186 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: of data and most of it is very accurate. But 187 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: in productivity, the idea that the amount of output per 188 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: hour you work with a focus on productivity because after 189 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: the working from home revolution, now for the pandemic, we're 190 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: really quite interested in how the UK performed. And to 191 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: put it bluntly, the n S had to release a 192 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: correction to their figures because they had added up two 193 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: years worth of growth into one. So from last year's productivity, 194 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: we went from being the best bar Japan in the 195 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:50,239 Speaker 1: G seven to the worst bar France. It's a complete reversal, 196 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: and it is highlighting that Britain's productivity chronic productivity problem 197 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: which we've talked about private and public section investment. It's 198 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: not a question of oh, what have we learned from 199 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: the pandemic and more, Oh that's not so great. So 200 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: the technology has not helped particularly. Yeah, very interesting, Okay, 201 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: James Wilcock, thank you very much for that review of 202 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: the newspapers this morning. Let's dig into the latest commentary 203 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: from the European Central Bank now, Christine Laguard pointing to 204 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: more significant interest rate rises as they, in her words, 205 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: stay the course to bring inflation back down to the 206 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: two percent target. This, of course, I had of next 207 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: week's ECB meeting. Markets are expecting the bank to raise 208 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: rates by another fifty basis points are ECB reporter at 209 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: Yana Rando joins us now for a more good morning 210 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: to you, Yana. How clear, then, have the signals been 211 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: from the ECB president in this latest speech. I think 212 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: she couldn't have been any clearer. Um she said, and 213 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: it was very specific, um that staying the course is 214 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: the policy mantra for the ECB for the time to come. 215 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: And that means if there had been any doubts about 216 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: another half point high coming up in February. Those outs 217 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: are now dispelled. There weren't then many, I have to say, 218 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: because she was already very specific in December. But we 219 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: have seen um, some diverging opinions I would say, over 220 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: the past couple of days and UM, and she put 221 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: her foot down and said for now, this is what 222 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: we're going to do. And that was that was certainly 223 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: very forceful. Yeah, okay, so very forceful. But the issue 224 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: is about, um, you know, getting unanimity or or at 225 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: least getting agreement a course. UM. The e c B 226 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: is often seen more difficult than for the fair. How 227 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: does her position compared to other Governing Council members that 228 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: we've heard from, Janna, I think for February there all 229 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: of them are pretty much on on message and and 230 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: everybody expects another half point hike. UM. The more interesting 231 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: debate is going to be March, when no forecasts are available. 232 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: And of course we have seen quite quite a few 233 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: developments since the last round in December. UM that suggests 234 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: that the inflation outlook might have actually improved a little bit. 235 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: Gas prices have come down, UM, inflation itself has slowed 236 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: quite a bit. And UH that of course, UH takes 237 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: pressure out of out of wage discussions. UM. So there 238 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: is there is a bit of hope that the forecast 239 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: will look a look a lot better and UM, you know, 240 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: with that, with that prospect came UH quite a diverging 241 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: view of opinion. We've heard from from the likes of 242 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: Robert Holtzman in class not UM sitting very much on 243 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: the hawkish side of the governing council UM, pushing for 244 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: for several more UM half point hikes UM in the 245 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: in the first half of the year. And that of 246 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: course contrasts very clearly with comments from from Nazovisco or 247 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: Janis Donadas, um, you know, from from Italy and Greece respectively, 248 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 1: UH that argued for graduality UM, saying we need to 249 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: be more gradual, we need to take into account what 250 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: we've already done. UM. And and they also brought up 251 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: the the idea of you know, UM, maybe now is 252 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: not not the time to hike too much and and 253 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: go into into restrictive territory too much. UM. So there 254 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: is a difference of opinion out there. UM. We're not 255 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: going to get much clarity, I'm afraid um in the 256 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: next couple of weeks, because ultimately the ECB says it 257 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: is data dependent. It will look at the numbers, it 258 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: will look at the forecast, and then it will take 259 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: its decision. And March is unfortunately still quite a while away. Okay, 260 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: And and of course we have you know that those 261 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: p M I datas out later as well. What are 262 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: the data points that we should be kind of keeping 263 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: a very close eye on that would feed into the 264 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: U E c B S thinking, yeah, so the p 265 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: M E s are going to be an interesting one 266 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: to watch, um, mainly because for the Eurozone we are 267 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: expecting all economists, I should say, are expecting return to 268 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: growth in the services sector and um that that would 269 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: be certainly good news. UM. What what I like to 270 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: look at for the p M I s are the 271 00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: forward looking indicators, UM, the order intake um uh, export orders. 272 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: That might tell us a little bit about demand in 273 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: China and how that is going to um uh you know, 274 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: boost boost the economy. And then of course, of course 275 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: the price and indicators are going to be interesting, UM, 276 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: how much are companies adjusting their prices? Um, we've seen 277 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: a slowdown and producer prices and other indicators UM in 278 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: important prices of course. UM. 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