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Speaker 2: It's spooky. I'm yooky.

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Speaker 1: I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming, it's way Wait

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Speaker 1: a minute, Hey, I'm ghosted Hiram's dress. Hey boo, it's

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Speaker 1: me Roz. Oh my god, you guys. Today is major

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Speaker 1: in ghosted history. I am joined by Greg and Dana Newkirk.

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Speaker 1: I have had so many requests to have them on.

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Speaker 1: I have wanted to have them on for a minute now.

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Speaker 1: It has not worked out until now. It is so

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Speaker 1: worth the wait. You might know them because they have

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Speaker 1: a series called hell Here, which you can actually watch

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Speaker 1: right now on Amazon. It's streaming, and it is so wild.

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Speaker 1: It's about I mean, it's kind of about goblins, It's

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Speaker 1: about so many things paranormal and not just in a

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Speaker 1: the Bigfoot, haunted dolls. I mean, we get into a

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Speaker 1: part conversation. So the second part, which will be out

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Speaker 1: next week, we'll talk more about Hellier and a couple

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Speaker 1: other things. But on today's episode, who You're gonna hear

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Speaker 1: one of the scariest haunted object stories. I think I've

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Speaker 1: ever heard, at least firsthand from people that have experienced it.

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Speaker 1: It is good and they are legit, and so I

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Speaker 1: believe every word they say. They are a real life

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Speaker 1: paranormal power couple. It's a fun way. That's a fun

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Speaker 1: thing to a paranormal power couple. The two of them

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Speaker 1: dedicate their life to the paranormal. They're based in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: They are constantly popping up on different TV shows. We

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Speaker 1: first of all, COVID is completely out of my system

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Speaker 1: as far as I know. I mean, I keep testing negatives.

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Speaker 1: So thank you everyone to check in on me. I'm fine,

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Speaker 1: don't worry. I Am back to normal, back to talking

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Speaker 1: about weird, freaky, deeky stuff. Oh something else I should

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Speaker 1: a paranormal conference that is online and it is called

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Speaker 1: Phenomena con and I am going to be speaking at it.

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Speaker 1: I've never done something like that. I've never spoken at

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Speaker 1: it paranormal conference, and we'll talk about it in the

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Speaker 1: Okay, this woman had it bad. She lost her daughter

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Speaker 1: Here is my part one conversation with Greg and Dana

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Speaker 2: We're working on movies and new documentaries and yeah, we

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Speaker 1: You know, I have so much respect for what you

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Speaker 3: He's not human. He's like the most magical creature on

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, the you know, cryptosologists hate it like real

434
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: serious ones hate it. When like we took the Finding

435
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: Bigfoot team out for like two weeks in Mount Shasta.

436
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: Their their production crew brought us in as an alternate

437
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 2: team to investigate all the cases they wouldn't touch because

438
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 2: they're very like, you know, Bigfoot is a flesh and

439
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: blood creature. It's just really good at hiding and to us.

440
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: Really good like fifty years befo.

441
00:25:55,240 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 2: Sure for us though, it's it seems like a ghost.

442
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: You see the same exact things with the ghosts. So

443
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 2: there's no you know, there's no physical bodies. Ever, there's

444
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: no there's no conclusive hair. They find hair all the time,

445
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: but it always comes back from the lab like no,

446
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: this isn't this is human hair. There's no conclusive hair,

447
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: you know, and yet it leaves footprints, and yet tons

448
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: of people see it. So many people see it that

449
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: it would have to be one of the most well

450
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 2: organized hoaxes in the world. So there's something going on there,

451
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: and to me, it seems like a ghost. I remember

452
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: having a conversation with Bobo. I'm pretty sure it's in

453
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: the episode where he's like, you know, they're they're attacking deer,

454
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 2: they're leaving footprints. He's like, ghosts don't do that, and

455
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, no, you say that because you didn't

456
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: grow up in the paranormal community. One of the oldest

457
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 2: tricks in the book is to put baby powder down

458
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 2: on the ground and then have the footprints show up.

459
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 2: You know, there's all stories about like little kid's handprints

460
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: on windows, things like that. We just don't think twice

461
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 2: about them because they look like ours. But if it's

462
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: the ghost of something that maybe used to exist, or

463
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 2: something that has been willed in to existence by hundreds

464
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 2: of thousands of people meditating on the Patterson Gimblin footage

465
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 2: or whatever their idea of an ideal bigfoot, looks like, well,

466
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 2: sure that explains all of the issues that we have

467
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 2: with capturing any evidence of it or finding a physical body.

468
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 3: So I think that really interesting thing. And you know,

469
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 3: it's obviously kind of where our interests lies. When you

470
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: look at a lot of a majority of kind of

471
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 3: bigfoot cases or Bigfoot investigations, you're really seeing in most

472
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 3: cases the ones that aren't paranormal. But there are so

473
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 3: many of them. There are so many cases of big

474
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 3: foot sightings where you have you know, green flashes of

475
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 3: light that follow the experience or feelings of hallucination or

476
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 3: being hypnotized or seeing something there that's not there, or

477
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 3: missing time, and they're so obviously connected to a lot

478
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 3: of paranormal experiences like those. You know, one of the

479
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 3: things that we experience that sticks out in my mind

480
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 3: when we were filming that Finding big Foot episode is

481
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 3: we are we we got to a location that we

482
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,959
Speaker 3: were going to be looking and investigating, and right as

483
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 3: we went out into the field, like a ton of

484
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 3: people's tech went down, so all their batteries were getting drained.

485
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 3: They're like, and they were they were sort of confused,

486
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: but it seemed like it was something that was pretty

487
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 3: common for the for the crew, and you know, they

488
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 3: they were just sort of like, oh, it happens, you know,

489
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 3: occasionally happens. But Greg and I having a background you know,

490
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 3: in the ghost space a little bit more, we know

491
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 3: that happens a lot when when paranormal investigators go into

492
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: places and their batteries get drained and and it's very likely,

493
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 3: you know, a strange occurrence versus like just kind of

494
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 3: coming into like a bunch of bad batteries or something

495
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 3: like that. So the one thing that we really kind

496
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 3: of discovered because of that experience was that that crossover

497
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 3: that exists sort of in all of these spaces, whether

498
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 3: it's eufology or ghost hunting or cryptozology, there's so much

499
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: crossover that gets overlooked because, you know, the cryptozoology community

500
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: tend to be those flesh and blood minded people, or

501
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 3: they're looking for undiscovered discovered primates or animals, but yet

502
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 3: they're having very very strange paranormal experiences, and those cases

503
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 3: tend to get kind of tossed out because it's not

504
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 3: really of interest to them.

505
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: More, more of these people should be dipping their toes

506
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: into things that they maybe aren't terribly interested in, like

507
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: bigfoot hunters should be talking to ghost hunters, and ghost

508
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 2: hunters should be talking to ufologists, and if they all

509
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: kind of dip their toes and we're a little more diversified,

510
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: they would see that there is a massive amount of

511
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,479
Speaker 2: crossover and they're all missing information that can help them

512
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: all put together their individual puzzles.

513
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: It's also way more fun.

514
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, of course.

515
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: God, well, we covered Bigfoot nights top. Can we talk

516
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: about the museum and the haunted objects and stuff?

517
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

518
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 1: Tell everybody about your museum.

519
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: Dana and I run the world's only mobile museum of

520
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: the Unexplained, and it contains everything from artifacts from some

521
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: of the most famous hauntings in history. We have alleged

522
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: crashed UFO parts from famous UFO crashes. We've got items

523
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: relating to the history of psychic testing. We even have

524
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: movie props, you know, like we have Fox Mulder's flashlight

525
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 2: and Dana Scully's gun, things relating to the pop culture

526
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: of the paranormal. And we do have a few pretty

527
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: wild haunted artifacts in there that we've experienced some really

528
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: strange activity with. And we take these things across the

529
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: country all over and people have lots of really weird

530
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: experiences in the museum.

531
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: So where's all the stuff right now?

532
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: Right next to us, we're sitting in our kind of

533
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: I'll have to send you a picture. We're sitting in

534
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: our new studio and we set it up for the

535
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: History Channel shoot the other day kind of busted out

536
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: all the greatest hits and so they're all staring at

537
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: us as we talk.

538
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, So how do you how do you

539
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: just live with that? I mean, I know you guys

540
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: aren't like, uh uh, you know, scared traditionally or whatever

541
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: the way that that a normal person that doesn't have

542
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: experience with this stuff would be. But like, is that

543
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: a nuisance at ever?

544
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 3: It's It has absolutely been at certain points, I think

545
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: at this this point, having so many different weird things,

546
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 3: and you know, a lot of them being relatively active objects,

547
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: we've kind of learned how to sort of I think

548
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 3: we think about it in terms of like their roommates

549
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: to a degree, like we just sort of we have

550
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 3: we respect one another's space, and.

551
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: Sometimes you get one that's kind of allowed. Yeah, it

552
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: doesn't pay the rent on time, and you know you

553
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: have to the conflict resolution, right, But yeah.

554
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 3: It's the interesting thing I think about what we do

555
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 3: is when people so a majority of the objects in

556
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: the museum are donated. People send things to our po box.

557
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 3: They see us at events and bring us things, and

558
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 3: you know, one of the things that we do is

559
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 3: we always ask people to if they're going to donate

560
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: something to the museum, give us a handwritten note, something

561
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: that kind of details their experience with the object, any history,

562
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 3: anything that they can give us, because we sort of

563
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 3: think about it as the jumping off points. So when

564
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 3: someone gives something to us, it's sort of like our

565
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 3: investigation begins, and we really want to do as much

566
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: as we possibly can to understand the history of the object,

567
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 3: the folklore around the object, the activity that people have

568
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 3: experienced with it. Because one of the things that we've

569
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 3: learned throughout the years being kind of caretakers for these

570
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: weird things, is that more often than not, when you

571
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 3: get something that is kind of frightening and people have

572
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: had frightening experiences around it, it's likely there's something going

573
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 3: on there, and so we are kind of always thinking

574
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 3: about it from the ethics of if there's an intelligence

575
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: attached to an object, or an aspect of an intelligence

576
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 3: that's attached to an object, it's kind of our responsibility

577
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: to a degree.

578
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: To help it.

579
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 3: If there's something there that requires assistance or help, then

580
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: then that's kind of what we want to do. And

581
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 3: so I think just having that mindset going into dealing

582
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 3: with some of the scarier things actually does create a

583
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: bit of a nice like boundary where we're you know,

584
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: we we recognize that what we're doing is kind of

585
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: weird and different, but hopefully again there's that conflict resolution.

586
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 3: Hopefully we can figure out why and if there's something

587
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 3: that we can do to help the experience, to help

588
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 3: the intelligence, and that's what we'll do.

589
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting after talking about curses, because you know,

590
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: some of course there's cursed objects and that kind of

591
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: a thing. So I imagine that you probably take that

592
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: same logic of intention and everything with that. I mean,

593
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: do you believe that there's objects that are you know,

594
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: truly evil and can really mess somebody up?

595
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, if we ascribe intelligence to

596
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 2: items or places, or spirits or ghosts, whatever, if we

597
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: ascribe intelligence to them, we have to give them the

598
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt. We have to say, you know,

599
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: every human has the capacity to be ultimate good or

600
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: ultimate evil. They make that choice, and a lot of

601
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 2: the times that choice is defined by the experiences that

602
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: they've gone through, their surroundings and you know, their own

603
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 2: just their own thought processes. So we always try to

604
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: look at things from a very neutral perspective if we

605
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: can so, even something that shows up. Here's a perfect example.

606
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: I'll tell you a little story about one of the objects.

607
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: It was the only thing we've ever had to return,

608
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: and it was an item that was sent to us

609
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 2: by a couple hikers who found it in a cave

610
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 2: in the Catskill Mountains. They were way off the beaten path,

611
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: and they find this little outcropping in it is this

612
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: effigy that looks like a carving of a woman fairly old,

613
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 2: and there are nails driven into the eyes and a

614
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: noose around the neck. And looking at it like if

615
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,959
Speaker 2: you know any like even have the most fleeting pop

616
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: culture reference for what a curse looks like. You look

617
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 2: at that and go, that's not nice.

618
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, oh cute.

619
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 2: Exactly. One of the guys decided to take it home,

620
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: and almost immediately what you imagine happens in that situation

621
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 2: begins to occur. Wet footprints began to manifest, They begin

622
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: to smell this terrible stench of standing water, like pond water.

623
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 3: Their animals were acting really strange, just kind of a

624
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 3: slew of bizarre things start happening in and around their house.

625
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 2: And the last straw was when they came home, the

626
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: statue is not where they left it, and they see

627
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 2: what looks like an old crone, a naked woman standing

628
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 2: in the corner of their house, scraggly hair, dripping wet,

629
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 2: and their dog is freaking out. And at that point

630
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: they said, we can't have this thing anymore. They ended

631
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 2: up contacting us.

632
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: So you guys are like, oh, we'll take it.

633
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: Well, No, I mean again, I'm very much about there's

634
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: this weird thing in the paranormal realm where there's people

635
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: who want to tell you like I'm the only one

636
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 2: who can solve your problem. My God can solve your problem,

637
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: my belief system can solve your problem, my expertise can

638
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: solve your problem, YadA YadA, like you got to all

639
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 2: us in. We don't have that approach very much about

640
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: self empowerment. I want to give other people the tools

641
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 2: to solve their own problems because it's way more effective

642
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 2: that way. And I did the same thing. I said, listen,

643
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: just take it back to where you found it, put

644
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: it back in the cave. Apologize. I know it's going

645
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: to feel weird. Just apologize out loud, back out of

646
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: the cave and just mean it, and that very likely

647
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 2: will fix the issue. They were too scared. They didn't

648
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: want to meet whoever put it there. They were afraid

649
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: they couldn't find the cave again. They didn't want to

650
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: be in the woods carrying this thing around, and so

651
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: they said, listen, can we just send it to you?

652
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 2: Can you deal with it. I'm fine with that. We're

653
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 2: happy to do it. But ninety nine percent of the

654
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: stuff people send us, I can willingly admit we never

655
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: experienced anything with I believe that other people are experiencing

656
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 2: phenomena around it, because I think that the paranormal is

657
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 2: a very personal and subjective thing. But this item was

658
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: a little different. It shows up and we do what

659
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: we always do. We take photos of it all the

660
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 2: way around and we just go about our day. We

661
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: log it, we put it in the collection, and then

662
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: that's that. Later that night, I am watching TV where

663
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: we're in the living room, and I hear a crash

664
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 2: in the office, and Dana and I were like, oh,

665
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: it's probably the cats. You know, they're fighting. So I

666
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 2: was like, I'll go break it up. So I get

667
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: up to go to the office, which is on the

668
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: other side of the old apartment, and I noticed that

669
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: the office door is closed. It's like, well, that's kind

670
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: of weird. So I look around the corner and I

671
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 2: look in the bedroom. I don't see the cats. Turns

672
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 2: out they're hiding under our bed. They're absolutely terrified. Anyone

673
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: who has animals, no, they're usually an early warning sign

674
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: that something strange is going on. So I walk back

675
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 2: over to the office. I open the door. I don't

676
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 2: see anything amiss until I feel something underneath my feet.

677
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: I have almost stepped on Jesus who has been ripped

678
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: off of a crucifix hanging on the wall. I look

679
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: up at the crucifix, which only hung there by a

680
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: single nail, so something had to have literally snapped it off.

681
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: Two of the nails were missing, there was one still there,

682
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: and it just had a single arm swinging on it.

683
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: I look down and the crone is right underneath of it.

684
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: At that point we both said, okay, this is something

685
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: to pay attention to. We put a trail cam up.

686
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: We wait a couple of days. I think it took

687
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks before it finally went off, and

688
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 2: one night it goes off. There's three images on it.

689
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 2: When we look at them the next day, there's lots

690
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 2: of light anomalies in there, but nothing that would ever

691
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: convince a skeptic. And Dana goes, well, that light looks

692
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: like it's moving around. What if you, like, you know,

693
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 2: flip through real fast. Let's stitch them together and you know,

694
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: see if we get an idea of where that light

695
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: comes from and where it goes. What we ended up

696
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: noticing is the statue itself moves on its own very slightly.

697
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 2: It just moves takes just a little bit of a turn.

698
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: After that, we start spelling the pond water. One day,

699
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: Dana calls me into the living room and she says,

700
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: were you just standing on the couch?

701
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 3: There were It was so weird there and again like there,

702
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 3: you know, we photographed everything, documented everything. There were two

703
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 3: perfectly wet human footprints standing on the back of the couch,

704
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 3: so as if someone got up onto the part of

705
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 3: the couch that you lean against and stood there just

706
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: facing over your shoulders. Yeah, like by your shoulder, your shoulder,

707
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 3: just perfect feet, yeah, just wet, a set of perfectly

708
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 3: wet feet.

709
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: It was an ikea couch don't worry about okay it

710
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 2: but like you know, the.

711
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 3: The first thing that I thought of, like in my

712
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 3: logical brain is trying to function when all this weird

713
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 3: thing stuff is happening. And the only thing that I

714
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 3: could think of was like it, you know, just above

715
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 3: it are sort of above it was a ceiling fan,

716
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: and I thought, like, did Greg get out of the

717
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 3: shower and change a light bulb or like as you do,

718
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 3: like I couldn't, but like you can see the heel,

719
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 3: you can see toes and like just in the weirdest

720
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: spot imaginable, just sitting there standing there on top of

721
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 3: the back of the couch.

722
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: I feel like at that point, that's when you have

723
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: to get that like old granny like plastic cover for

724
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: a couch, just to ensure that that doesn't ever happen again,

725
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: maybe like something the slip. But okay, okay, I'm on

726
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: the edge of my seat. Okay.

727
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 2: After that, we're in bed one night. Well, well I'll

728
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: let you tell this part because you're the one who

729
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: experienced it.

730
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 3: It so I'm not a light sleeper. I'm pretty it

731
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: wants I'm asleep. I'm asleep. And this was shortly afterwards

732
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 3: waking up in the middle of the night to see

733
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 3: what looked like and the best way describe it as like,

734
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 3: it's so it was like seeing a living nightmare. Like

735
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 3: I saw what looked like a tall shadow, probably six

736
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 3: feet tall, if not a little bit more than that,

737
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: standing in the right in the doorway of my closet,

738
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 3: just standing there and move and kind of moving a

739
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 3: little bit, like enough that like, again, your logical brain

740
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 3: kicks in in moments like that where I want to

741
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: explain it away. So I was like, is it am I? Like,

742
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 3: did I hang up a jacket there? And I'm just

743
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: seeing the shape of it, But it was like moving

744
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 3: enough that I could tell that it wasn't just a

745
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 3: piece of clothing, and it was just like literally just

746
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 3: standing there and moving, like moving ever so slightly in

747
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 3: the creepiest way possible.

748
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: After that, I said, well, it's time to have the talk.

749
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 2: And we don't normally do this. It feels very silly,

750
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 2: it's silly to even describe, but we, uh, we took

751
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 2: the statue, we set it in the living room table

752
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 2: and we just sat down and started talking and listen,

753
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 2: we want to share our space with you. But let's

754
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: set some ground rules. You know, we don't want to

755
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: be scared. We want to help. We want to do things.

756
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: If there's something you need, like figure out a way

757
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: to let us know what you need, we'll do what

758
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 2: we need to do to fix it. And as we're

759
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: having this discussion, we hear the sound of rushing water

760
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 2: from the other side of the apartment. Any idea of

761
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 2: the paranormal left my brain because in our previous apartment

762
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 2: we had gone through a burst pipe from the second

763
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 2: floor and anyone who's gone through it knows it's horrific.

764
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: It's terrible. So I jump up and we both run

765
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: to the other end of the apartment. I'm trying to

766
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 2: figure out how well where's this water coming from? How

767
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: can we turn it off? But there's nothing there. And

768
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: as we're standing there trying to figure out where this

769
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 2: noise is coming from, we hear these thuds in the

770
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: living room, just like doom doom, doom, doo dun. And

771
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 2: we walk back into the living room and the crone

772
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 2: is gone. We start looking all over the place and

773
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 2: I see that it has rolled off of the table

774
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: and under the television stand. So I go over. I

775
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: get down on my hands and knees and I reach

776
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: under the television stand and I hear data shriek because

777
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: the TV has started to slowly tip and was going

778
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: to smash on my head.

779
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: Oh oh my god.

780
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: If Dana hadn't run over and grabbed it, it would

781
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: have got me.

782
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 3: Uh. So I said, this is also all happening in

783
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 3: like relatively short time span, Like this isn't this is

784
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 3: like I've talked about this a lot, but like at

785
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: this point, I'm feeling wildly out of control, Like this

786
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 3: is like this experience.

787
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: Is it's a lot.

788
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 3: Like we were both really really overwhelmed by what was happening.

789
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, just chaos, just yeah, one after the other after

790
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: the other.

791
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 2: Uh, We're not like, we're not like ring of salt people.

792
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 2: We're not like put it in a chest and lock

793
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 2: it away or burn it or bury it type people.

794
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 2: That's not what we're about again, conflict resolution. But I

795
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: I was like, listen, if this is how it's going

796
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 2: to be, I'm going to have to do something I

797
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: don't want to do, and I'm just going to have

798
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: to put you in a box and put you away

799
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 2: until we can figure out what to do with you.

800
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: And as I'm saying that we heard three loud bangs

801
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 2: on the wall, and I said, okay, I'm going to

802
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 2: take that as a confirmation. So we put it in

803
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: a box, put a lock on it, and we just

804
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 2: kind of stuck it on the bottom shelf in the

805
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 2: office and tried not to think about it. But we

806
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: have a traveling museum. We travel across the country with

807
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 2: this stuff, and one of the ways that we learn

808
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 2: things is from meeting people who are smarter or more

809
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 2: specialized than we are. Doing these events is a perfect

810
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: way to do that. We've solved so many mysteries that way.

811
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: So we decide, let's take this thing out. We just

812
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 2: won't let people hold it. There's very few items in

813
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: the museum that we feel that way about. But because

814
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: we didn't fully understand it, we kept it on the

815
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: note touching list.

816
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: How did you travel with that?

817
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: Oh, in the it's in a box. It's just in

818
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: the box with the lock on it, and then it

819
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 2: travels separately from the other stuff. In a chat. We

820
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: have all kinds of like chests in a big tent

821
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 2: that we set up, and it looks like you were

822
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: in a Victorian parlor when you walk in and everything

823
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 2: just kind of has its own box and its own

824
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: special space. Most of them don't need to be kept

825
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: away from each other, but sometimes one of them can

826
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: be a bad influence. So this one we just because

827
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: we didn't know anything about it, we kept it locked up,

828
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 2: We kept it separate. But as we started to take

829
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 2: this thing out to events, we would meet people who

830
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: would say, well, this is a dense wood. My family

831
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: owns a lumber company. This would is clearly from a

832
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: swampy area, which is interesting. We're able to meet people

833
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 2: who kind of have ideas about where they think this

834
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 2: has originated. But the other thing we started to notice

835
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 2: is that people who got near it would feel their

836
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: eyes burned, they'd feel their throats close up. There were

837
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: people who came in and kind of made fun of

838
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 2: the idea that something could be cursed or haunted, and

839
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 2: then came back the following day because the tire in

840
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: their truck had blown out and pushed them across the

841
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: median and flipped over and almost got hitten by a

842
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: semi trailer, and they blamed it on the chrone. Lots

843
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 2: of that type of stuff. The last straw happened at

844
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 2: an event in Michigan. One of the bigger paranormal events,

845
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: and we're at the end of this like convention hall. Uh,

846
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: and there had been a guy that had come from

847
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 2: Canada and he really wanted to see the chrone. We're

848
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: pretty particular about some of the stuff that we bring out,

849
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: depends on the crowd. If they're like one of the

850
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: crowds where people want to fight ghosts, we don't pull

851
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: all some of that stuff out, you know, the type

852
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: I think, And this kind of felt that way. The

853
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: vibe didn't feel right. But this guy kept asking and

854
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: asking and asking, and so I, you know, looked at

855
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: Dana and I said, well, maybe just for a second.

856
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: So we unlocked the box and I pull it out

857
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 2: of the pillowcase, and almost immediately there's this force that

858
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: just it's hard to explain. It's just this feeling. This

859
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: energy just shoots down the convention hall. Papers are coming

860
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 2: off of people's desk, the lights are flickering, some of

861
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: them start to swing. People are looking all over. There's

862
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: like a the woman across from us had a bunch

863
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 2: of books she was selling, and her bottle of soda,

864
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: you know, pops and falls over and destroys hundreds of

865
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 2: dollars worth of books. People are like freaking out, genuinely

866
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: freaking out. And then we see it. At the end

867
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 2: of the hall. There's a guy whose head has flung

868
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: back in the air and he's bleeding out of his

869
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 2: mouth and he has this horrible seizure and has to

870
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: be taken out by paramedics. What as this.

871
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 3: Happens, This is also happening in front of like a convention.

872
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 2: Hundreds of people. The guy who begged us to see

873
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 2: it starts to cry and says, I'm so sorry, I'm

874
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: so sorry. Put it back, put it back, put it back.

875
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: And that's when Dana and I said, this thing has

876
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 2: to go back to where it came from. We cannot

877
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 2: travel with this thing anymore.

878
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 3: And you know, it's also at that point likely that

879
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 3: it's not even an object that's safe for us to

880
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 3: have in our collection, but also like there's something big

881
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 3: going on here, so that's we need to definitely bring

882
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 3: this back to its place of origin.

883
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 2: So long story short, we make a plan to return

884
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: it to the mountain. We know the relative area it

885
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: was from, don't know exactly where the cave is, but figure,

886
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 2: as long as we can get back to this place

887
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 2: we can do an unbinding ritual and we can whatever

888
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: it is that is causing all of this. Let's remove

889
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: the sources of the negativity. Let's remove the nails, let's

890
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 2: remove the noose. Dana can bless it and we can

891
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: take it back to where it came from. And Dana

892
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 2: has sort of an online coven of sorts and teaches

893
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 2: a lot of classes about witchcraft and sympathetic magic and

894
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 2: all that stuff. So she recruits like a hundred or

895
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: so witches from around the world to help us with

896
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: this coordinated ritual. We end up hiking miles up into

897
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: the mountains off the beaten path to this particular location,

898
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: and then once the sun goes down, Dana cass a

899
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 2: circle and almost immediately something keeps trying to get in,

900
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: and it sounds like it's wearing like big boots and

901
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 2: it's just stumping around the circle that we can't leave

902
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 2: until the ritual is complete.

903
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 3: So one of the idea of the circle is, if

904
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 3: you want to think about it kind of energetically, it's

905
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 3: the idea that we're creating a boundary sort of a gateway,

906
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 3: a boundary point, and as we're doing our ritual, we're

907
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 3: working with an intention, and that intention is like, as

908
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 3: Greg mentioned, a non binding. So the way that I

909
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 3: like to practice magic is by utilizing sacred circles because

910
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 3: it lets us kind of build energy without it dissipating.

911
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 3: So we could have done the same ritual without having

912
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 3: a circle. But then we're building all of this energy

913
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 3: and we're we're focusing on our attentions and there's really

914
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 3: nothing energy energetically there to kind of contain it so

915
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 3: that we can channel in focus it. So it was

916
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 3: as if that boundary line that we had created, that

917
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 3: that sacred circle that we had created, was sort of

918
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 3: this point where we were having these strange things kind

919
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 3: of come up to the edge of it and almost

920
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 3: test hit Like we we could hear physically hear the

921
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 3: sound of what sounded like a very large person like

922
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 3: you mentioned in really heavy boots stomping all the way

923
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 3: around our circle. And we're standing there in the middle

924
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 3: of the woods, you know, miles and miles away from

925
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 3: everybody else, looking at exactly where we're hearing the sound from.

926
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 3: There's nothing there, there's no it wasn't a person, it

927
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 3: wasn't an animal, and it consistently kept happening throughout the

928
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 3: course of the night as we were doing our ritual,

929
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 3: as if something was either interested in what we were

930
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 3: doing and kind of drawn to that area, or it

931
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 3: was something that that just couldn't get within that space.

932
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I forgot. One of the elements of

933
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,919
Speaker 2: the ritual was because we are a museum, and because

934
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 2: it's important for us to preserve these stories and to

935
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 2: continue talking about them and try and figure out the

936
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 2: true nature of these things, we wanted to have some

937
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 2: kind of a relic of this to continue touring with,

938
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 2: to continue showing people, to continue telling the story. So

939
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: we recruited our friend Tyler, who's a special effects makeup artist,

940
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 2: to do something that no special effects makeup artists in

941
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: their right mind would ever do, to cast a museum

942
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 2: quality mold of this thing in the freezing weather on

943
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 2: the top of a mountain in a tent and no

944
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 2: other Again, I can't stress like you'd need to have

945
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 2: a specific temperature for the mold to set up. Like

946
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 2: all the stuff.

947
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 3: We had to bring a generator or like a heater

948
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 3: with us, appropriate heater with us.

949
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: And the hundreds of pounds of molding agent, the tent.

950
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 3: The separate tent alone had to be like a perfect

951
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 3: environment for this molding.

952
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: Like seventy degrees.

953
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 3: And we were doing this at the end of October,

954
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 3: so it's absolutely freezing outside by the time the sunsets,

955
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 3: and we're just sort of like hoping that we can

956
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 3: keep this tent as hot as humanly possible because it

957
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 3: needs to be like relatively warm for this this molding agent.

958
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 3: To actually even.

959
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: Say, I have had that done to my face before

960
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: and it's one of the worst experiences ever. That would

961
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: definitely piss off any.

962
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 2: We well, we tried. We had this this short lived

963
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: project where we were trying to three D scan haunted objects,

964
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 2: which went about as well as you can imagine, and

965
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,320
Speaker 2: we tried to do the chrone, but we had to

966
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 2: do that in a hotel because the guy who was

967
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 2: our three D modeler, he had made a joke about

968
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 2: the crone. He said like, oh, the crone can have

969
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 2: my baby as a sacrifice, like, you know, tasteless joke,

970
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 2: but it very you know, it was funny at the time.

971
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: And then later that night he calls us frantically, like

972
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,479
Speaker 2: skypes us frantically and shows us that his front door

973
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: was open and there were wet footprints that went through

974
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 2: his house up the stairs, and there was a puddle

975
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 2: of water in front of his crime his kid's crib. Fortunately,

976
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 2: his kid was with his mother in law that night,

977
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 2: and so he refused, like, we're not doing this at

978
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 2: my house. We're not doing this at my house. So

979
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 2: we had to get a hotel room. And then when

980
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 2: he went to modify the file, because we liked to

981
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: print these to see how they turned out. In order

982
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 2: to print it, he had to digitally remove the noose

983
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 2: and the nails, and to do that he had to

984
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 2: separate the head from the body. As soon as he

985
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 2: separated the head from the body in the file, in

986
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 2: the file, these fingers came out of the neck and

987
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: there are images of these where you can see these

988
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: twisted fingers that are not connected properly, but you can

989
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 2: see like fingernail fingernail ridges on them and everything like

990
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 2: something is trying to crawl out.

991
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

992
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 2: And so we this was our last ditch effort, was

993
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 2: to do like an actual museum quality mold on the mountain.

994
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,240
Speaker 2: So we had to still do that even in ritual space.

995
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 2: It's a very weird thing to watch Dana consecrate pliers,

996
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 2: like really mundane tools that we needed for the ritual.

997
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, anything that we were using that night was part

998
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 3: of that ritual. So we were having to kind of

999
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 3: cleanse and purify, like Greg said, pliers and really really

1000
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 3: mundane things, but it was all kind of part of

1001
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 3: this larger ritual that took place throughout the course of an.

1002
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 2: So we pulled all the nails out. They were I mean,

1003
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 2: it took the entire weight of my body to do it.

1004
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 2: It's unnatural the way that they were in there, pulled

1005
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 2: all the nails out, you know, Dana consecrated it. We

1006
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: we ended up we took the noose off. As soon

1007
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 2: as that noose came off, there was like a pop

1008
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 2: of electricity in the air, and we all just started

1009
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 2: to cry because we knew that it was gone, like

1010
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 2: the thing that was in front of us was just

1011
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 2: a piece of wood. At that same time, all the

1012
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 2: coyotes on the mountains started to howl, which we had

1013
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 2: not heard at all.

1014
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 3: And then we had a pack of coyotes just just

1015
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 3: like screaming into the night.

1016
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 2: And so we all just kind of sat there and

1017
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: had a real good cry and milk molded put the

1018
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 2: crone in the mold. It was so cold we were

1019
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 2: unsure if it was going to set up. But in

1020
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 2: the morning we buried her and said a few words

1021
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 2: I had. Essentially it was a funeral and uh, never

1022
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 2: had a problem since. So that's uh some some of

1023
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 2: the lengths we've had to go. You guys fixed problems.

1024
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: Well, it's like an incredible movie story.

1025
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 2: Funny you should say that we have a feature length

1026
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: documentary that I think is finally picture locked. And it

1027
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 2: was a really weird one to do because it it

1028
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 2: started off as like a little half hour featurette that

1029
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 2: we were doing just for our museum members and our

1030
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 2: friend Carl who directed it. He's he's who directed and

1031
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 2: edited Hellier.

1032
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 3: Uh.

1033
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 2: He said, guys, this is too good. So we ended

1034
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 2: up expanding it into a feature length film that's made

1035
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: up of all the all the footage that we had, recordings,

1036
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 2: live streams that we've had with it.

1037
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 3: Pretty obsessive documenter, so we really document as much of

1038
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 3: most of the experiences that we weird experiences that we

1039
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 3: have as possible. So the whole thing was documented, our

1040
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 3: entire all the iPhone footage from the ritual.

1041
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, I can't wait to see this.

1042
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 2: It's so good and we're pretty sure we figured out

1043
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: what the crow was ford and why what was done

1044
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 2: to it was done to it, but we're keeping that

1045
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 2: secret for the time.

1046
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's like that was literally my next question.

1047
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,959
Speaker 1: But okay, okay, no, that's great.

1048
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 2: We're hoping later this year it'll be available. But yeah,

1049
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 2: we'll see fingers crossed.

1050
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: Going back to the beginning of the story, there's you know,

1051
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: everybody has their theories and whatever, but people people will

1052
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: say that if you have a cursed object or a

1053
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: haunted object, you can't give it to someone. It's attached

1054
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: to you, whatever the thing is. So I mean, did

1055
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: you talk to the guy that found it after it

1056
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: had it all stopped for him?

1057
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 3: Oh?

1058
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 2: No, he completely disappeared. The way that we even he

1059
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 2: just disappeared, well, so the way that we even it's

1060
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 2: kind of convoluted how we even got involved. We okay,

1061
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,479
Speaker 2: so we talked about the Finding Bigfoot episode that we'd shot.

1062
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 2: We spent two weeks with the crew driving around the

1063
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 2: mountains of California telling them all kinds of crazy stories

1064
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 2: about the haunted objects and cases we've investigated, and hang

1065
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 2: out with alien abductees like all that kind of stuff.

1066
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 2: And one of the crew members was reading the paranormal

1067
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 2: subreddit over on Reddit, and one of the guys had

1068
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 2: posted there about finding this thing and experiencing all this

1069
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 2: stuff and not knowing what to do. So this guy,

1070
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 2: who is a production assistant literally on another shoot, just

1071
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 2: sitting there killing time in a van, you know, production

1072
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 2: hurry up and wait, he's just killing time, sees this

1073
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 2: remembers all the stories we were telling him and says, hey,

1074
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 2: you should get in touch with Greg and Dana Newkirk.

1075
00:59:58,360 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: They deal with things like this and they might be

1076
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 2: a help you. So that is how we ended up

1077
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 2: talking to this guy, was literally through Reddit on a

1078
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 2: Reddit throwaway count and then after he sends it, wanted

1079
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 2: nothing to do with it. And I periodically have checked

1080
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 2: and I've tried to reach out, especially as we were

1081
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 2: working on the documentary, but there's there's never any response,

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Speaker 2: So I don't know. I mean, the thing is like,

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Speaker 2: this is the craziest thing about stories like this is

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01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 2: this could very well have been a hoax. It could

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01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 2: be an art project, it could be an actual haunted,

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01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 2: cursed object. That doesn't matter. When you start to think

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Speaker 2: about the idea of like Eggrigor's and thought forms and

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01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 2: the idea of intention, because that's how a curse starts.

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01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 2: Enough people believe in it. And then this big part

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01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 2: of the reason why we felt like we had to

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01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 2: go to the mountain, why we had to sever our

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01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 2: own connection to this, because once we started experiencing stuff,

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01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 2: we're telling other people's stories about this, they start to

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01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 2: experience stuff. So we have a hand in propagating this story,

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Speaker 2: this curse, and by us going up. Whether you're a

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01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 2: skeptic or a believer, and that even you know, that's

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01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 2: even for us. I try to be very agnostic. I

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01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 2: try to live in one world and another at the

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Speaker 2: same time. But the physical act of going up the mountain,

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01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 2: pulling those nails out, pulling that noos off, severing our

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01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 2: own connection to it, and then like finalizing this this

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01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 2: tail whatever this is putting an end cap on. It

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01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 2: also does that for other people and effectively breaks that spell.

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Speaker 2: And so it works on a psychological level, it works

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01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 2: on a paranormal level. However you need to look at it.

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01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 2: It's putting an end to that story and thus putting

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Speaker 2: an end to that activity.

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Speaker 1: Got you, guys, really like break stigma or something around

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01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,479
Speaker 1: so much of this stuff because I mean, most people

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Speaker 1: myself included, would be like, nope, I'm out of here,

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Speaker 1: Like would I would never, I wouldn't go out in

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Speaker 1: the woods no matter what. But the fact that you

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01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: guys do do and live to tell the tale, I

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01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: think it really does take away some of that power

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Speaker 1: of these things being so you know, scary, and.

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Speaker 2: I hope so I think we get I think for

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01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 2: very obvious reasons. And I don't fault people for this.

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Speaker 2: I think we get compared to people like Edd Larin

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01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 2: Warren a lot, but we try to be the anti

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Speaker 2: Eden Larrain Warren because don't I didn't like the way

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Speaker 2: that they Again, if you believe that these things have

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01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 2: an intelligence to them, you really have a responsibility to

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01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 2: treat them that way. If somebody, if you've got a

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01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 2: friend who's in a bad mood, you try and figure

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Speaker 2: out what it is. You don't lock them in a

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Speaker 2: box and put them in a ring of salt and

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01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 2: then like every once in a while, come rattle the

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Speaker 2: cage so they do a trick, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: That's the wrong way to deal with this stuff. If

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Speaker 2: you're an intelligent, compassionate human being, and so I hope

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01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 2: that by us telling these stories, I hope by us

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01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 2: sharing these experiences and sharing the way that we deal

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01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 2: with them, and sharing the way that we try to

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01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 2: give other people self empowerment in their own scary situations

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01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 2: with paranormal phenomena, they maybe choose curiosity instead of choosing fear.

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Speaker 2: Because the whole thing is like, if you can learn

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01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 2: to not be afraid of the monster under your bed,

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01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 2: if you can make friends with the monster under your bed,

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01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 2: you can make friends with the guy down the street

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01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 2: who has a different spiritual belief than you, or or

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01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 2: is it you know has a different view on gender

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01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 2: or sexuality or whatever. It Just be kind to everything,

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01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 2: give everything the benefit of the doubt, and that makes

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01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:41,919
Speaker 2: the world a better place.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's beautiful. Thank you, Greg and Dana Nwkirk. Don't

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01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: you worry, baby. We got more next week with part two,

1147
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,720
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1150
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,320
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Speaker 1: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't

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