WEBVTT - Horror of the 90’s and 00’s! 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:05.960 Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for many many horror movies 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:08.639 of the nineties and two thousands, which is the topic 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:28.920 we'll be discussing today. Hello, my name is Jason Concepsio 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:31.080 and I'm mersday Night, and welcome back to ext r 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:33.239 Vision of the podcast, where we dive deep into your 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.040 favorite shows, movies, and comics and pop culture. Coming to 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:39.640 you from our podcast where we're bringing you at least 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:43.479 three Wow episodes a week, every Tuesday Thursday, with an 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:45.879 extra episode every Wednesday. 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:52.840 In today's episode, it is Halloween. So after we recently 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.560 broke down what we think is the best decade in 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:57.440 the eighties for horra you can go and listen to that. 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:59.640 After you listen to this episode, we are going to 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:02.280 be talking about the most influential horror movies of the 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:04.920 nineties and two thousands. As we step out of the 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:09.080 air lock and back into our past, our nostalgic, spooky past, 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:11.440 and in Who's Who, we're gonna pick our favorite horror 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.840 directors of all time. But first it's into the airlock. 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:20.479 Let's go, okay, Rosie, why do we want to talk 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:24.640 about movies? Horror movies from this era? The nineties and 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:26.800 first decade of the two thousands. 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:31.080 Oh, we were discussing how we were going to follow 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:33.720 up the best year of horror in the eighties because 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:35.679 we just had so much fun with that. It was 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.040 really nice to just riff on something that we both 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.760 know so well. And then these movies that really shaped us. 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:42.840 And as we were talking about it, we were kind 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.160 of texting and you were like, oh my god, think 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.960 about like Ringu. I was like, yeah, Bower Real, like 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:51.040 all these kind of Japanese and then you know, Korean 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:54.600 movies like Tale of Two Sisters, which were really changing 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:57.000 the way that we viewed horror in the nineties, and 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.560 the Zeros, and then we were like, Okay, wait a minute. 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.800 These movise were incredibly influential, so let's talk about how 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:04.840 they change the game. And you have a really great 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.800 thesis on what was going on in this era and 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:11.120 how these movies kind of off its up something fresh. 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:14.960 Yeah. For me, when I look at nineties horror, it 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:19.920 feels like an endpoint of a cycle that started in 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:23.920 the seventies. What I mean by that is by the nineties, 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:28.120 really the I think the most impactful horror films were 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:33.079 big budget often Oscar bait type films, Silence of Lambs, 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.840 Cape Fear, Bram Stoker's Dracula. 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.640 Thrilla is almost Yeah, horror is, but they do have 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:42.680 that more thriller element, far from the kind of schlocky 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:44.440 b movie origins of horror. 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:48.640 Yeah, the sixth sense, right, the Devil's Advocate, you know, 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:52.480 it's the al Pacino and Keanu Reeves, Jacob's lad Jacob's Ladder. 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.120 Like it's these kind of like very high concept, very 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:59.520 high budget horror movies that I think are fantastic, but 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:03.079 had moved horror away from its kind of like gritty, 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:08.800 indie subversive roots. While that's happening, you also have a 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:12.120 movie like Scream, which to me is really shows you 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.720 that we're at an endpoint in a cycle when that 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:19.080 movie appears, because it's essentially a parody movie about the 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:22.880 tropes of horror and all the kind of slasher films 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:25.680 that had happened in the previous two decades. Then when 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:28.600 you get to the late nineties in the two thousands, 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.880 where's the new energy coming from, It's really coming from Japan, 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:36.480 with a shout to the Blair Witch with films like 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:40.360 you mentioned it, Ringu Juwan The Curse straight to video, 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:42.960 and then the third one in the movie theaters Audition 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:45.320 The Cure Pulse. 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:48.520 Yeah, even like Ichi the Killa. Each like these kind 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:51.680 of like not necessarily a direct horror, but a movie 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.480 that was so horrifying that it starts to make American 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:58.520 horror look weak, you know, look quite mainstream. 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:00.840 Battle Royal one of this call, and I am of 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:04.280 the person like having just seen, you know, preparing for 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:08.960 Smile too. By watching Smile one again, I realized that, like, wow, 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:12.000 there are so many movies that are the ring right 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:15.680 now that are ringing these chain letter movies where the 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:19.520 character sees something or hear something or witnesses something, is 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:24.360 cursed by witnessing that thing and then has to either 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.680 pass on the curse to someone else or try and 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:31.039 stop it by taking on the demon or what have you. 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:36.279 And that's like it follows Smile. There's a lot of 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:39.200 movies like that. So that's where the idea to talk 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:41.040 about this stuff comes from it. And also these are 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:42.440 just like great movies to talk about. 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.719 Oh my god, so many fantastic movies. Well let's start 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.240 with Ringu. When was the first time that you watched it? 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.960 And like, do you remember how terrifying it was? I do. 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:56.440 I've had a friend who was big into movies, specifically 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.960 international movies. This was a period of time when I 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.680 was working in a movie theater and so I was 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:04.279 watching just like a lot, a lot, a lot of movies, 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:06.839 also a lot of international movies because the movie theater 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:09.560 I was working at had a relationship with a small 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:13.200 like art house cinema. And my friend was like, you 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:15.480 gotta see Ring You. So I went and saw it 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:19.920 and it was like nothing else. And this is also 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.559 the period where I saw you know, I saw Pulse. 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:25.599 During this period, I saw The Cure, these kind of 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.600 very eerie I don't even know how to they are 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:31.000 horror movies, but then they turn into these other kind 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:34.960 of social commentary on loneliness and disconnection, these other Japanese 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:38.080 horror movies, and Ring You just blew me away, Like 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:42.520 it was such a cool idea, such a cool execution. 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:47.640 It was so spooky, you get the classic spider walk, 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.599 you know, like it's just like it's there's so much 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.320 of it that is great. And then the adaptation was 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:57.200 wonderful as well. Yeah, so it's just a touchstone film 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:58.680 for me. When was the first time you saw it? 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.839 I think I saw it at sleepover. It was definitely 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:05.039 that kind of movie. We were really lucky. The neighborhood 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.680 where I grew up in Hackney, there was I think 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:09.320 I've talked about this on the podcast before, but they 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.520 had a video store that was an independent video store 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:15.200 that was just called the Film Shop, and they had 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:20.080 such a fantastic selection of international movies, old movies. I 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:21.800 have a really distinct memory of like me and my 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.920 friend Dona getting rope from there and stuff. So I'm 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:27.800 pretty sure Ringu would have come from there. And when 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.880 I was growing up, the tail end of me being 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.680 in primary school, and I mentioned this on the eighties episode, 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:39.280 was kind of this huge threat of Freddy Krueger, right, 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:42.039 Like there were assemblies about like don't let your kids 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.360 watch Nightmare on Elm Street, Like they're not going to 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:46.680 go to sleep because they're gonna be telling everyone about 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.320 this guy who comes in your dreams. This was like that, 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:53.200 but for TVs, everyone was so scared to sleep in 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:55.719 their room after they watch this because they thought Sadiko 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.679 was gonna crawl out of their TV. Also very important 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.279 movie for me because this is probably the first time 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.680 that I ever came across hero Yuki Sonada, who is 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.479 one of my all time favorite actors, and he's so 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:12.040 fantastic in this. I think also this establishes something that 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.840 becomes really important in the horror genre going forward, which 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:19.760 is the horror mystery. But outside of the kind of 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.240 and then there were none mystery of a slasher movie, 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.600 who's the killer? This was There is a mystery to solve, 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:29.360 but supernatural entities want to stop you. I mean, we 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:33.200 don't get paranormal activity without this movie. And like you said, 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:37.640 the Curse movies like Smile especially does not exist without 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:38.040 the Ring. 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:40.920 It follows as well as it's basically the same, It 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.280 follows kind of core, and I mean this in a 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:45.680 positive way. Yeah, you know, this is not a negative. 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:48.360 Like slasher films are essentially the same kind of formula, 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:53.080 and this formula, which was really generated by Ruu, is 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:57.840 just so vibrant and cool, and it allows stories to 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:08.200 explore technologlogy and platforms as vectors for spreading evil and horror, which. 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:11.360 Feels so like new and modern at that time. It's 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:12.280 a different kind of. 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:17.200 Haunting totally, like it's much more meta and deep than 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:20.320 say in Poltergeist where ghost comes out of the TV. 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:24.240 But that doesn't feel as if that feels very localized 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:28.240 and different and specific. The videotape from Ring and RINGU 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.200 feels like something else, and like the techno horror of 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:34.040 Pulse feels like something else. Yeah. 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.520 I also think as well, like this thing that's so 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:40.320 scary about Ring is as you watch it, you become 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:42.440 a part of the law where you're like, well, i've 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:44.520 watched it, so will I die in seven days? You know, 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:46.560 that's how you feel as a kid watching it. It 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.080 manages to open your mind to that. So this is 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:53.600 also like a very interesting era in cinema, So in England, 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.480 and I do think some other places around the world, 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:58.760 but I can't talk for sure. There was a movie 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:02.760 Imprint called to an Asia Extreme which basically put out 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:08.199 pretty much all the gory horror action to Kashi Mi 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.640 k like kind of movies, and I was like obsessed 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.640 with it as a teenager. And I lived really close 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:17.360 to Forbidden Planet, the English version, which used to be 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:20.880 on New Oxford Street, and they would put up all 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.560 the posters, you know for these kind of crazy movies 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:25.920 like the Happiness of the categories, which if you haven't 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:30.200 seen it is a movie that is a musical zombie 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:33.719 movie inspired by the sound of music. And they were 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.000 really sweet and they would give me the posters. So 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.920 this was definitely became like one of my special interests 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.080 of things, and it was really I would say, like 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.360 Ring is the start of it, but for me, I 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:47.280 would say one of the most and I think equally influential, 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:51.600 but interestingly to a different genre was Battle Royal. Oh yes, 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:54.920 like me, me and my friend we watched it and 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.760 then it became the perennial like you rewatch it, you 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:01.160 rewatch it. I did Battle Rayal for Halloween like probably 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.400 three years in a row. I had a boyfriend who 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:05.880 screen printed me like a battle It. It was like 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:08.280 a white shirt and he screen printed me like the 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.800 girl getting shot on the side that they kind of 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.400 do the slow motion shot of. And that movie is 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.440 essentially it's based on a book that was then turned 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:18.240 into a manga that was then turned into a movie 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:22.560 about near future Japan where teen delinquency has gotten so 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:26.080 high and there's two there's overpopulation, so they decide that 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.400 they're gonna do a raffle where every year they will 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.560 pick out a random class and they will be sent 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.920 to an island and they have to kill each other. 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:37.600 Hold on, Rosie, and people watch it on TV. 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.800 This sounds like the Hunger Games, Oh doesn't it? 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:46.400 Just yeah? Ironically, the book was incredibly controversial in Japan, 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:48.440 and it was seen very much as like an adult thing. 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:53.400 But I do think this then became an incredibly fundamentally 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:58.600 important book and movie that influenced kind of American YA 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:02.080 for decades going on. Of course, Hunger Games doesn't exist 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:06.040 without this, Divergent probably doesn't exist, Maize Runner doesn't exist, 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:09.960 like a lot of those formative American YA novels of 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:10.640 that generation. 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:14.000 For I go further, Yeah, I think that the influence 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:19.920 of Battle Royale and these kind of zero sum competitions 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.640 squid Game, for instance, would not exist without Battle Royal. 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:25.439 Oh true, But I think the influence of it is 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.960 a lot more pervasive than you even think about. Like, 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:32.680 for instance, I personally think that these kind of battle 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:36.120 arena games like Fortnite, oh or Call of Duty war 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:40.400 Zone in which you drop fifty sixty one hundred players 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:43.800 on one battle map yeah and have them fight it out, 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:49.599 are essentially the philosophical children of Battle Royale. It's the 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:53.000 same kind of setup. It's also just like such a 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.880 compelling metaphor for the world that we live. 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:57.960 And they even call them Battle Royales. 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.640 Yeah, they can call them Battle Royales. So yeah, I 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:03.719 think you're absolutely right. A tremendously influential film. And then 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:07.400 to me, it's Ringu Battle Royal. And then I think 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:11.240 the third for me movie in this triptich of very 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:15.200 influential pieces of culture horror movies of this era is 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:21.120 Blair Witch, which essentially creates the found footage genre that 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.520 is still going strong. You know, we don't have paranormal 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:25.600 activity without it. 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.480 I mean, it's essentially like now they were like cannibal 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.280 holocausts and stuff was like essentially posed as a found 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.400 footage movie Texas Chase of Massacre. You have like these 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:37.000 are the real but this is the first one where 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:40.960 you're like you really felt like you were watching the videos. 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:42.840 I mean, and they marketed it as if it was real, 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:45.520 which when I was how they market when I was eleven, 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.640 we all believed it and we were all like drawing. 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:52.520 The little Blair Witch Project sign on our like school books, 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:54.280 and we wanted to see it and we believed there 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.640 were these documentarians who had gone missing. It was such 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.480 a cultural phenomenon when it came out. 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:07.040 I had a friend who somehow got a preview vhs 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:09.880 of The Blur Witch, like maybe two weeks before it 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:12.920 hit theaters. This might have been like gorilla marketing. I'm 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:16.160 not sure how this happened, but he was like talking 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:19.720 about it, and we didn't have the language to explain 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.600 what he was trying to, like, oh, it's a horror movie, 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:26.160 but these people went into the woods and then they died, 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:28.559 and somebody found their videotape and this is it, and 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:31.320 they released it as a movie, and we were very 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:33.760 unclear at that time whether it was real or not. 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.800 Yeah, so I know it's very unclear, but it's I 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:37.480 guess in a way. 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:40.400 It kind of becomes very influential on like YouTube horror 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.800 as it is now with the back rooms and these 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:46.160 kind of creepy pasta esque stories where it's like, are 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.560 you really watching something that happened to someone? Is it 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:52.000 an urban legend or is it real? And it did 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.160 feel like that when we watched it, like we didn't know. 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:55.800 Yeah, he was trying to explain it, and it was 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:57.600 like very not clear. So we watched it when I 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:00.280 was with all our friends in one room, and when 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.320 I would later see it in the theater, I realized 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:06.040 that the VHS was much lower like fidelity and quality 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.800 than the actual movie when you watch it on the screen, 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:11.839 which I think just made it even spookier and sari 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:16.200 or like it. It looked legitimately like a VHS that 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:20.480 you might find like somewhere. And I remember a friend 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:23.440 of ours came in in the middle at the scene 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.840 where you know, it's just the cameras on Heather's face. 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:27.760 She's in the tent. 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.440 Of course I wanted to hear something out of the woods. 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.200 And she's like, what is it? A baby? Is that 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:36.440 a baby crying? And her friend then like, you know, 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.200 he came in and just quietly sat down and was 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.200 watching it for like ten minutes and watched that scene 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.640 and then stood up and went, what the fuck is this? 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:50.000 And that was that was truly the feeling, Like again, 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.760 I don't get scared by movies really, and even at 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.480 that time, I don't think I was particularly most horror 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.320 movies and scary that one was. It was such a 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:03.080 cool experience. I did not know what was happening, and 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:07.120 the end scene where you see the friend standing staring 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.640 at the wall. I mean, that's another image that I 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:11.960 feel like has been recreated again and again and again 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:16.080 in horror movies since. Just an incredible experience and kicked 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:16.720 off the genre. 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:19.920 Yeah, it really did. And so I'm gonna go because 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:22.800 you did an American movie. I'm gonna mention Scream because 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:24.400 I do think it is one of the most influential 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:27.560 movies from this time. But I will say that is 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.000 both in good and bad, because I love Scream. I 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:33.600 love the Scream movies. But while that movie was essentially, 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:37.400 as Jason pointed out, like a parody satire of what 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:39.240 had come before, and it was Wes Craven kind of 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:42.920 expanding on what he'd done in a New Nightmare, it 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:46.680 was not influential in that way. It was influential in 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:50.240 the way that it essentially encouraged studios to make slasher 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:52.640 movies because they saw them as a cheap way to 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.880 make films, and it did create a new slasher era. 0:15:56.440 --> 0:16:00.560 But ironically, all of the things that was even was 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:06.280 critiquing became the tropes again, So it was very white casts. 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.960 It was you know, the black person always dies first. 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:13.320 It was subversive in itself, but the influence it had 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:17.520 was not subversive. The influence it had was to encourage 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:21.160 more studios to make movies like I know it did 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:24.880 last summer, another franchise I love, but again playing into 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:28.000 these same tropes, adapting things that we had seen before. 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:32.640 But it did spark a new slasher era in America, 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.400 which I do love. I love Valentine's Day, I love 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:37.880 the Clown at Midnight, I love all those weird slashers. 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:42.360 But it was not necessarily a positive influence because what 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:45.800 Scream did so well, other studios didn't necessarily try to 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:49.360 evoke unless you get a scary movie where the parody 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:52.520 becomes the central figurehead, and then that also in itself 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:57.760 becomes a way of showcasing and spreading influential movies like 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:00.360 of course Blair Witch Project gets parodied in their Scream 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:04.840 gets parodied in there. Interestingly, The Haunting, which I love, 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.959 which is like a great PG thirteen movie, very influential 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.840 on scary movie too, which I find really funny because 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.640 it's such a specific thing. But yeah, so I definitely 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.720 think Scream needs to be in there. But another movie 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.960 that I love that I think is deeply influential, but 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:23.560 that had kind of unknowingly ended up sparking an annoying 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:28.000 film trend was Takashi Mike's Audition, which I love. I 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:32.119 think is like such a vibrantly important film about a 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:33.680 guy who's auditioning me. 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:35.680 Off putting movie. He's very off. 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:39.320 Putting, unsettling film. He's auditioning wives. He finds a wife 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:41.840 in this young woman called a Sami, and as the 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:47.679 story unfolds, we get some very terrifying sequences. And I 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.879 love this movie. It's super unsettling, super terrifying, one of 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.520 the best movies of the era. But it is essentially 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:57.119 almost unknowingly. I'm sure Takashimiki did not see this coming, 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.679 as the movie was had very little response when it 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:01.800 was a really released in Japan. It was when it 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.800 was actually released in America that it became a huge 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:10.880 kind of cultural phenomenon. But it essentially inspired torture porn, yes, 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:14.040 which I think is really interesting. Yeah. Also, Eli Roth 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.400 is the one. He you know, he said that audition 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:18.639 was the reason that he wanted to make Hostel, And 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:22.359 then Takashi Mika is even in Hostile he gets like 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:28.359 a cameo, and that sparks off like one of the nastiest, glorious, 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:33.080 and depending on your view on it, most exploitative. I personally, 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:35.199 as much as I don't love the Hostel movies, I 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:37.720 do have a soft spot for Hostel too, because it 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:41.040 has such an unbelievable cast and it does some really interesting, 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.720 strange stuff. But yeah, that's one of those movies where 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:45.960 the first time I saw it, I was like, this 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.959 is such an incredible movie and such a scary movie 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:52.680 and such an unsettling movie, and I knew it would 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:54.840 change the way I thought about film, And I love 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:57.399 Takashi Miki is one of my favorite directors in the world, 0:18:57.720 --> 0:18:59.600 but it is another one of those movies where it's 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:05.520 influence is positive or negative depending on what you think 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.919 of movies like Saw and The Devil's Rejects and Wolf 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.840 Creek and that kind of torture porn movement, even like 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:14.760 American Mary by the Soscar Sisters, which I do love, 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.280 but definitely in that same vein, and that was very 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:20.199 audition influence. So I'm putting those two up there as 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:24.560 movies I love that are influential, but also like depends 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:28.080 on what you like, yes, do you wish that torture 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:30.680 porn didn't exist? Maybe you do? It was a tiring era. 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:31.840 I like the first song. 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:34.359 Yeah, I'm a sare Superstan. I love the Saw movies, 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:38.560 but like, it is definitely an interesting place because also 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:40.920 when you watch the movie, it's kind of like rewatching 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:43.760 Texas Chainsaw Massacre. There's not actually a lot of gore. 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:49.960 It's like this very specific, unsettling horror rather than Saw 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:52.400 and Hostel and those kind of movies where it's all 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:56.280 about seeing the grotesquery of what comes next. 0:19:56.680 --> 0:20:00.280 Did I ever tell you my head canon that Evan 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:02.600 from Home Alone is Jigsaw? 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:05.920 No, but that's like the best and most sensible headcannon 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:08.480 of all time because who else could be making those? Yes, 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:11.160 I'm like James Wan and Leewana come on the podcast. 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:14.600 We want to know is Tobin playing Kevin? We just 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:15.119 need to know. 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:33.359 I'll pick one that I think has a very similar 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:38.760 thing going for it as Audition, which is it kicked 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:43.119 off reinvigorated? I would say, a genre but also maybe 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:45.520 did it in a kind of annoying way, And depending 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:48.920 on your tastes, you might not like twenty eight days later, Well, 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:54.560 do we have the modern zombie movement, do we have 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:58.159 the Walking Dead, which is obviously the more classical slow 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:02.240 walking Romero styles on. And yes, it was a successful 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:07.199 comic book story also, but zombies were going nowhere before 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.120 twenty eight days later. The movement had kind of like 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:15.280 lost its drive. And I remember seeing twenty eight days later, 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:19.080 and first of all, the fact that it feels so 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:22.520 evocative of a post nine to eleven world, despite the 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:24.760 fact that it was filmed like before nine to eleven, 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:29.639 with all the papers taped up, empty streets, papers taped 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.040 up saying have you seen my loved one? Like all 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:35.440 these kind of like images that felt very post nine 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:38.320 to eleven. It felt like a moment in time. And 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:42.280 then the fast zombies of it all felt like it 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:44.760 just evoked anxiety. 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:48.399 Yeah, because we'd never seen running zombies at that point. 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:51.400 And it was a movie that I absolutely loved. When 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:53.280 I saw in the theater, I was like, Wow, that 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:56.479 was awesome. And it's just lean and mean, and it 0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:58.399 also gets at that, you know, the central thing of 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:02.480 every single zombie movie, which is actually it's us. We're 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:04.360 the bad ones. Yeah, the humans are the evil ones. 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:08.359 That said, like audition, I think It kicked off an 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:11.520 entire movement, which, depending on your taste, if you're not 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:13.720