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Speaker 1: of the nineties and two thousands, which is the topic
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Speaker 2: In today's episode, it is Halloween. So after we recently
Speaker 2: broke down what we think is the best decade in
Speaker 2: the eighties for horra you can go and listen to that.
Speaker 2: After you listen to this episode, we are going to
Speaker 2: be talking about the most influential horror movies of the
Speaker 2: nineties and two thousands. As we step out of the
Speaker 2: air lock and back into our past, our nostalgic, spooky past,
Speaker 2: and in Who's Who, we're gonna pick our favorite horror
Speaker 2: directors of all time. But first it's into the airlock.
Speaker 1: Let's go, okay, Rosie, why do we want to talk
Speaker 1: about movies? Horror movies from this era? The nineties and
Speaker 1: first decade of the two thousands.
Speaker 2: Oh, we were discussing how we were going to follow
Speaker 2: up the best year of horror in the eighties because
Speaker 2: we just had so much fun with that. It was
Speaker 2: really nice to just riff on something that we both
Speaker 2: know so well. And then these movies that really shaped us.
Speaker 2: And as we were talking about it, we were kind
Speaker 2: of texting and you were like, oh my god, think
Speaker 2: about like Ringu. I was like, yeah, Bower Real, like
Speaker 2: all these kind of Japanese and then you know, Korean
Speaker 2: movies like Tale of Two Sisters, which were really changing
Speaker 2: the way that we viewed horror in the nineties, and
Speaker 2: the Zeros, and then we were like, Okay, wait a minute.
Speaker 2: These movise were incredibly influential, so let's talk about how
Speaker 2: they change the game. And you have a really great
Speaker 2: thesis on what was going on in this era and
Speaker 2: how these movies kind of off its up something fresh.
Speaker 1: Yeah. For me, when I look at nineties horror, it
Speaker 1: feels like an endpoint of a cycle that started in
Speaker 1: the seventies. What I mean by that is by the nineties,
Speaker 1: really the I think the most impactful horror films were
Speaker 1: big budget often Oscar bait type films, Silence of Lambs,
Speaker 1: Cape Fear, Bram Stoker's Dracula.
Speaker 2: Thrilla is almost Yeah, horror is, but they do have
Speaker 2: that more thriller element, far from the kind of schlocky
Speaker 2: b movie origins of horror.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the sixth sense, right, the Devil's Advocate, you know,
Speaker 1: it's the al Pacino and Keanu Reeves, Jacob's lad Jacob's Ladder.
Speaker 1: Like it's these kind of like very high concept, very
Speaker 1: high budget horror movies that I think are fantastic, but
Speaker 1: had moved horror away from its kind of like gritty,
Speaker 1: indie subversive roots. While that's happening, you also have a
Speaker 1: movie like Scream, which to me is really shows you
Speaker 1: that we're at an endpoint in a cycle when that
Speaker 1: movie appears, because it's essentially a parody movie about the
Speaker 1: tropes of horror and all the kind of slasher films
Speaker 1: that had happened in the previous two decades. Then when
Speaker 1: you get to the late nineties in the two thousands,
Speaker 1: where's the new energy coming from, It's really coming from Japan,
Speaker 1: with a shout to the Blair Witch with films like
Speaker 1: you mentioned it, Ringu Juwan The Curse straight to video,
Speaker 1: and then the third one in the movie theaters Audition
Speaker 1: The Cure Pulse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even like Ichi the Killa. Each like these kind
Speaker 2: of like not necessarily a direct horror, but a movie
Speaker 2: that was so horrifying that it starts to make American
Speaker 2: horror look weak, you know, look quite mainstream.
Speaker 1: Battle Royal one of this call, and I am of
Speaker 1: the person like having just seen, you know, preparing for
Speaker 1: Smile too. By watching Smile one again, I realized that, like, wow,
Speaker 1: there are so many movies that are the ring right
Speaker 1: now that are ringing these chain letter movies where the
Speaker 1: character sees something or hear something or witnesses something, is
Speaker 1: cursed by witnessing that thing and then has to either
Speaker 1: pass on the curse to someone else or try and
Speaker 1: stop it by taking on the demon or what have you.
Speaker 1: And that's like it follows Smile. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: movies like that. So that's where the idea to talk
Speaker 1: about this stuff comes from it. And also these are
Speaker 1: just like great movies to talk about.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, so many fantastic movies. Well let's start
Speaker 2: with Ringu. When was the first time that you watched it?
Speaker 2: And like, do you remember how terrifying it was? I do.
Speaker 1: I've had a friend who was big into movies, specifically
Speaker 1: international movies. This was a period of time when I
Speaker 1: was working in a movie theater and so I was
Speaker 1: watching just like a lot, a lot, a lot of movies,
Speaker 1: also a lot of international movies because the movie theater
Speaker 1: I was working at had a relationship with a small
Speaker 1: like art house cinema. And my friend was like, you
Speaker 1: gotta see Ring You. So I went and saw it
Speaker 1: and it was like nothing else. And this is also
Speaker 1: the period where I saw you know, I saw Pulse.
Speaker 1: During this period, I saw The Cure, these kind of
Speaker 1: very eerie I don't even know how to they are
Speaker 1: horror movies, but then they turn into these other kind
Speaker 1: of social commentary on loneliness and disconnection, these other Japanese
Speaker 1: horror movies, and Ring You just blew me away, Like
Speaker 1: it was such a cool idea, such a cool execution.
Speaker 1: It was so spooky, you get the classic spider walk,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's just like it's there's so much
Speaker 1: of it that is great. And then the adaptation was
Speaker 1: wonderful as well. Yeah, so it's just a touchstone film
Speaker 1: for me. When was the first time you saw it?
Speaker 2: I think I saw it at sleepover. It was definitely
Speaker 2: that kind of movie. We were really lucky. The neighborhood
Speaker 2: where I grew up in Hackney, there was I think
Speaker 2: I've talked about this on the podcast before, but they
Speaker 2: had a video store that was an independent video store
Speaker 2: that was just called the Film Shop, and they had
Speaker 2: such a fantastic selection of international movies, old movies. I
Speaker 2: have a really distinct memory of like me and my
Speaker 2: friend Dona getting rope from there and stuff. So I'm
Speaker 2: pretty sure Ringu would have come from there. And when
Speaker 2: I was growing up, the tail end of me being
Speaker 2: in primary school, and I mentioned this on the eighties episode,
Speaker 2: was kind of this huge threat of Freddy Krueger, right,
Speaker 2: Like there were assemblies about like don't let your kids
Speaker 2: watch Nightmare on Elm Street, Like they're not going to
Speaker 2: go to sleep because they're gonna be telling everyone about
Speaker 2: this guy who comes in your dreams. This was like that,
Speaker 2: but for TVs, everyone was so scared to sleep in
Speaker 2: their room after they watch this because they thought Sadiko
Speaker 2: was gonna crawl out of their TV. Also very important
Speaker 2: movie for me because this is probably the first time
Speaker 2: that I ever came across hero Yuki Sonada, who is
Speaker 2: one of my all time favorite actors, and he's so
Speaker 2: fantastic in this. I think also this establishes something that
Speaker 2: becomes really important in the horror genre going forward, which
Speaker 2: is the horror mystery. But outside of the kind of
Speaker 2: and then there were none mystery of a slasher movie,
Speaker 2: who's the killer? This was There is a mystery to solve,
Speaker 2: but supernatural entities want to stop you. I mean, we
Speaker 2: don't get paranormal activity without this movie. And like you said,
Speaker 2: the Curse movies like Smile especially does not exist without
Speaker 2: the Ring.
Speaker 1: It follows as well as it's basically the same, It
Speaker 1: follows kind of core, and I mean this in a
Speaker 1: positive way. Yeah, you know, this is not a negative.
Speaker 1: Like slasher films are essentially the same kind of formula,
Speaker 1: and this formula, which was really generated by Ruu, is
Speaker 1: just so vibrant and cool, and it allows stories to
Speaker 1: explore technologlogy and platforms as vectors for spreading evil and horror, which.
Speaker 2: Feels so like new and modern at that time. It's
Speaker 2: a different kind of.
Speaker 1: Haunting totally, like it's much more meta and deep than
Speaker 1: say in Poltergeist where ghost comes out of the TV.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't feel as if that feels very localized
Speaker 1: and different and specific. The videotape from Ring and RINGU
Speaker 1: feels like something else, and like the techno horror of
Speaker 1: Pulse feels like something else. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I also think as well, like this thing that's so
Speaker 2: scary about Ring is as you watch it, you become
Speaker 2: a part of the law where you're like, well, i've
Speaker 2: watched it, so will I die in seven days? You know,
Speaker 2: that's how you feel as a kid watching it. It
Speaker 2: manages to open your mind to that. So this is
Speaker 2: also like a very interesting era in cinema, So in England,
Speaker 2: and I do think some other places around the world,
Speaker 2: but I can't talk for sure. There was a movie
Speaker 2: Imprint called to an Asia Extreme which basically put out
Speaker 2: pretty much all the gory horror action to Kashi Mi
Speaker 2: k like kind of movies, and I was like obsessed
Speaker 2: with it as a teenager. And I lived really close
Speaker 2: to Forbidden Planet, the English version, which used to be
Speaker 2: on New Oxford Street, and they would put up all
Speaker 2: the posters, you know for these kind of crazy movies
Speaker 2: like the Happiness of the categories, which if you haven't
Speaker 2: seen it is a movie that is a musical zombie
Speaker 2: movie inspired by the sound of music. And they were
Speaker 2: really sweet and they would give me the posters. So
Speaker 2: this was definitely became like one of my special interests
Speaker 2: of things, and it was really I would say, like
Speaker 2: Ring is the start of it, but for me, I
Speaker 2: would say one of the most and I think equally influential,
Speaker 2: but interestingly to a different genre was Battle Royal. Oh yes,
Speaker 2: like me, me and my friend we watched it and
Speaker 2: then it became the perennial like you rewatch it, you
Speaker 2: rewatch it. I did Battle Rayal for Halloween like probably
Speaker 2: three years in a row. I had a boyfriend who
Speaker 2: screen printed me like a battle It. It was like
Speaker 2: a white shirt and he screen printed me like the
Speaker 2: girl getting shot on the side that they kind of
Speaker 2: do the slow motion shot of. And that movie is
Speaker 2: essentially it's based on a book that was then turned
Speaker 2: into a manga that was then turned into a movie
Speaker 2: about near future Japan where teen delinquency has gotten so
Speaker 2: high and there's two there's overpopulation, so they decide that
Speaker 2: they're gonna do a raffle where every year they will
Speaker 2: pick out a random class and they will be sent
Speaker 2: to an island and they have to kill each other.
Speaker 2: Hold on, Rosie, and people watch it on TV.
Speaker 1: This sounds like the Hunger Games, Oh doesn't it?
Speaker 2: Just yeah? Ironically, the book was incredibly controversial in Japan,
Speaker 2: and it was seen very much as like an adult thing.
Speaker 2: But I do think this then became an incredibly fundamentally
Speaker 2: important book and movie that influenced kind of American YA
Speaker 2: for decades going on. Of course, Hunger Games doesn't exist
Speaker 2: without this, Divergent probably doesn't exist, Maize Runner doesn't exist,
Speaker 2: like a lot of those formative American YA novels of
Speaker 2: that generation.
Speaker 1: For I go further, Yeah, I think that the influence
Speaker 1: of Battle Royale and these kind of zero sum competitions
Speaker 1: squid Game, for instance, would not exist without Battle Royal.
Speaker 1: Oh true, But I think the influence of it is
Speaker 1: a lot more pervasive than you even think about. Like,
Speaker 1: for instance, I personally think that these kind of battle
Speaker 1: arena games like Fortnite, oh or Call of Duty war
Speaker 1: Zone in which you drop fifty sixty one hundred players
Speaker 1: on one battle map yeah and have them fight it out,
Speaker 1: are essentially the philosophical children of Battle Royale. It's the
Speaker 1: same kind of setup. It's also just like such a
Speaker 1: compelling metaphor for the world that we live.
Speaker 2: And they even call them Battle Royales.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they can call them Battle Royales. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: think you're absolutely right. A tremendously influential film. And then
Speaker 1: to me, it's Ringu Battle Royal. And then I think
Speaker 1: the third for me movie in this triptich of very
Speaker 1: influential pieces of culture horror movies of this era is
Speaker 1: Blair Witch, which essentially creates the found footage genre that
Speaker 1: is still going strong. You know, we don't have paranormal
Speaker 1: activity without it.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's essentially like now they were like cannibal
Speaker 2: holocausts and stuff was like essentially posed as a found
Speaker 2: footage movie Texas Chase of Massacre. You have like these
Speaker 2: are the real but this is the first one where
Speaker 2: you're like you really felt like you were watching the videos.
Speaker 3: I mean, and they marketed it as if it was real,
Speaker 3: which when I was how they market when I was eleven,
Speaker 3: we all believed it and we were all like drawing.
Speaker 2: The little Blair Witch Project sign on our like school books,
Speaker 2: and we wanted to see it and we believed there
Speaker 2: were these documentarians who had gone missing. It was such
Speaker 2: a cultural phenomenon when it came out.
Speaker 1: I had a friend who somehow got a preview vhs
Speaker 1: of The Blur Witch, like maybe two weeks before it
Speaker 1: hit theaters. This might have been like gorilla marketing. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure how this happened, but he was like talking
Speaker 1: about it, and we didn't have the language to explain
Speaker 1: what he was trying to, like, oh, it's a horror movie,
Speaker 1: but these people went into the woods and then they died,
Speaker 1: and somebody found their videotape and this is it, and
Speaker 1: they released it as a movie, and we were very
Speaker 1: unclear at that time whether it was real or not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I know it's very unclear, but it's I
Speaker 3: guess in a way.
Speaker 2: It kind of becomes very influential on like YouTube horror
Speaker 2: as it is now with the back rooms and these
Speaker 2: kind of creepy pasta esque stories where it's like, are
Speaker 2: you really watching something that happened to someone? Is it
Speaker 2: an urban legend or is it real? And it did
Speaker 2: feel like that when we watched it, like we didn't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was trying to explain it, and it was
Speaker 1: like very not clear. So we watched it when I
Speaker 1: was with all our friends in one room, and when
Speaker 1: I would later see it in the theater, I realized
Speaker 1: that the VHS was much lower like fidelity and quality
Speaker 1: than the actual movie when you watch it on the screen,
Speaker 1: which I think just made it even spookier and sari
Speaker 1: or like it. It looked legitimately like a VHS that
Speaker 1: you might find like somewhere. And I remember a friend
Speaker 1: of ours came in in the middle at the scene
Speaker 1: where you know, it's just the cameras on Heather's face.
Speaker 1: She's in the tent.
Speaker 2: Of course I wanted to hear something out of the woods.
Speaker 1: And she's like, what is it? A baby? Is that
Speaker 1: a baby crying? And her friend then like, you know,
Speaker 1: he came in and just quietly sat down and was
Speaker 1: watching it for like ten minutes and watched that scene
Speaker 1: and then stood up and went, what the fuck is this?
Speaker 1: And that was that was truly the feeling, Like again,
Speaker 1: I don't get scared by movies really, and even at
Speaker 1: that time, I don't think I was particularly most horror
Speaker 1: movies and scary that one was. It was such a
Speaker 1: cool experience. I did not know what was happening, and
Speaker 1: the end scene where you see the friend standing staring
Speaker 1: at the wall. I mean, that's another image that I
Speaker 1: feel like has been recreated again and again and again
Speaker 1: in horror movies since. Just an incredible experience and kicked
Speaker 1: off the genre.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really did. And so I'm gonna go because
Speaker 2: you did an American movie. I'm gonna mention Scream because
Speaker 2: I do think it is one of the most influential
Speaker 2: movies from this time. But I will say that is
Speaker 2: both in good and bad, because I love Scream. I
Speaker 2: love the Scream movies. But while that movie was essentially,
Speaker 2: as Jason pointed out, like a parody satire of what
Speaker 2: had come before, and it was Wes Craven kind of
Speaker 2: expanding on what he'd done in a New Nightmare, it
Speaker 2: was not influential in that way. It was influential in
Speaker 2: the way that it essentially encouraged studios to make slasher
Speaker 2: movies because they saw them as a cheap way to
Speaker 2: make films, and it did create a new slasher era.
Speaker 2: But ironically, all of the things that was even was
Speaker 2: critiquing became the tropes again, So it was very white casts.
Speaker 2: It was you know, the black person always dies first.
Speaker 2: It was subversive in itself, but the influence it had
Speaker 2: was not subversive. The influence it had was to encourage
Speaker 2: more studios to make movies like I know it did
Speaker 2: last summer, another franchise I love, but again playing into
Speaker 2: these same tropes, adapting things that we had seen before.
Speaker 2: But it did spark a new slasher era in America,
Speaker 2: which I do love. I love Valentine's Day, I love
Speaker 2: the Clown at Midnight, I love all those weird slashers.
Speaker 2: But it was not necessarily a positive influence because what
Speaker 2: Scream did so well, other studios didn't necessarily try to
Speaker 2: evoke unless you get a scary movie where the parody
Speaker 2: becomes the central figurehead, and then that also in itself
Speaker 2: becomes a way of showcasing and spreading influential movies like
Speaker 2: of course Blair Witch Project gets parodied in their Scream
Speaker 2: gets parodied in there. Interestingly, The Haunting, which I love,
Speaker 2: which is like a great PG thirteen movie, very influential
Speaker 2: on scary movie too, which I find really funny because
Speaker 2: it's such a specific thing. But yeah, so I definitely
Speaker 2: think Scream needs to be in there. But another movie
Speaker 2: that I love that I think is deeply influential, but
Speaker 2: that had kind of unknowingly ended up sparking an annoying
Speaker 2: film trend was Takashi Mike's Audition, which I love. I
Speaker 2: think is like such a vibrantly important film about a
Speaker 2: guy who's auditioning me.
Speaker 1: Off putting movie. He's very off.
Speaker 2: Putting, unsettling film. He's auditioning wives. He finds a wife
Speaker 2: in this young woman called a Sami, and as the
Speaker 2: story unfolds, we get some very terrifying sequences. And I
Speaker 2: love this movie. It's super unsettling, super terrifying, one of
Speaker 2: the best movies of the era. But it is essentially
Speaker 2: almost unknowingly. I'm sure Takashimiki did not see this coming,
Speaker 2: as the movie was had very little response when it
Speaker 2: was a really released in Japan. It was when it
Speaker 2: was actually released in America that it became a huge
Speaker 2: kind of cultural phenomenon. But it essentially inspired torture porn, yes,
Speaker 2: which I think is really interesting. Yeah. Also, Eli Roth
Speaker 2: is the one. He you know, he said that audition
Speaker 2: was the reason that he wanted to make Hostel, And
Speaker 2: then Takashi Mika is even in Hostile he gets like
Speaker 2: a cameo, and that sparks off like one of the nastiest, glorious,
Speaker 2: and depending on your view on it, most exploitative. I personally,
Speaker 2: as much as I don't love the Hostel movies, I
Speaker 2: do have a soft spot for Hostel too, because it
Speaker 2: has such an unbelievable cast and it does some really interesting,
Speaker 2: strange stuff. But yeah, that's one of those movies where
Speaker 2: the first time I saw it, I was like, this
Speaker 2: is such an incredible movie and such a scary movie
Speaker 2: and such an unsettling movie, and I knew it would
Speaker 2: change the way I thought about film, And I love
Speaker 2: Takashi Miki is one of my favorite directors in the world,
Speaker 2: but it is another one of those movies where it's
Speaker 2: influence is positive or negative depending on what you think
Speaker 2: of movies like Saw and The Devil's Rejects and Wolf
Speaker 2: Creek and that kind of torture porn movement, even like
Speaker 2: American Mary by the Soscar Sisters, which I do love,
Speaker 2: but definitely in that same vein, and that was very
Speaker 2: audition influence. So I'm putting those two up there as
Speaker 2: movies I love that are influential, but also like depends
Speaker 2: on what you like, yes, do you wish that torture
Speaker 2: porn didn't exist? Maybe you do? It was a tiring era.
Speaker 1: I like the first song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a sare Superstan. I love the Saw movies,
Speaker 2: but like, it is definitely an interesting place because also
Speaker 2: when you watch the movie, it's kind of like rewatching
Speaker 2: Texas Chainsaw Massacre. There's not actually a lot of gore.
Speaker 2: It's like this very specific, unsettling horror rather than Saw
Speaker 2: and Hostel and those kind of movies where it's all
Speaker 2: about seeing the grotesquery of what comes next.
Speaker 1: Did I ever tell you my head canon that Evan
Speaker 1: from Home Alone is Jigsaw?
Speaker 2: No, but that's like the best and most sensible headcannon
Speaker 2: of all time because who else could be making those? Yes,
Speaker 2: I'm like James Wan and Leewana come on the podcast.
Speaker 2: We want to know is Tobin playing Kevin? We just
Speaker 2: need to know.
Speaker 1: I'll pick one that I think has a very similar
Speaker 1: thing going for it as Audition, which is it kicked
Speaker 1: off reinvigorated? I would say, a genre but also maybe
Speaker 1: did it in a kind of annoying way, And depending
Speaker 1: on your tastes, you might not like twenty eight days later, Well,
Speaker 1: do we have the modern zombie movement, do we have
Speaker 1: the Walking Dead, which is obviously the more classical slow
Speaker 1: walking Romero styles on. And yes, it was a successful
Speaker 1: comic book story also, but zombies were going nowhere before
Speaker 1: twenty eight days later. The movement had kind of like
Speaker 1: lost its drive. And I remember seeing twenty eight days later,
Speaker 1: and first of all, the fact that it feels so
Speaker 1: evocative of a post nine to eleven world, despite the
Speaker 1: fact that it was filmed like before nine to eleven,
Speaker 1: with all the papers taped up, empty streets, papers taped
Speaker 1: up saying have you seen my loved one? Like all
Speaker 1: these kind of like images that felt very post nine
Speaker 1: to eleven. It felt like a moment in time. And
Speaker 1: then the fast zombies of it all felt like it
Speaker 1: just evoked anxiety.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we'd never seen running zombies at that point.
Speaker 1: And it was a movie that I absolutely loved. When
Speaker 1: I saw in the theater, I was like, Wow, that
Speaker 1: was awesome. And it's just lean and mean, and it
Speaker 1: also gets at that, you know, the central thing of
Speaker 1: every single zombie movie, which is actually it's us. We're
Speaker 1: the bad ones. Yeah, the humans are the evil ones.
Speaker 1: That said, like audition, I think It kicked off an
Speaker 1: entire movement, which, depending on your taste, if you're not
Speaker 1: a zombie person, then you don't care and you don't
Speaker 1: like it. But it was very influential in that regard,
Speaker 1: brought zombies back to the four and then you have
Speaker 1: a whole host of other zombie content, some parody stuff.
Speaker 1: You have a reimagining of Dawn of the Dead with
Speaker 1: fast zombies. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which, by the way, is I will say that
Speaker 2: is my favorite Zack Snyder movie, written by James Gunnon.
Speaker 1: I actually like it a lot as well. A big
Speaker 1: fan of that movie. It's a great movie, and you
Speaker 1: get Shown of the Dead, you get all these other things.
Speaker 1: But yeah, twenty eight days later, Yeah, hugely influential film.
Speaker 2: It is really exciting to kind of look back at
Speaker 2: this era because there is so much that the time
Speaker 2: was almost overlooked. Like I think a lot about nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety eight, right, you have Bride of Chucky. Now that
Speaker 2: might at the time have sparked off some huge movement.
Speaker 2: But now in twenty twenty four, we just had a
Speaker 2: three season successful queer horror series, a chucky series on
Speaker 2: sci Fi that very much was influenced of the law
Speaker 2: of Bride of Chucky, this kind of late stage Chucky sequel,
Speaker 2: which added Jennifer Tilley playing his wife Tiffany, and it
Speaker 2: becomes this kind of queer staple movie that I think
Speaker 2: something that is interesting about this era too. And obviously
Speaker 2: I can't talk to this because I did not grow
Speaker 2: up in America, but my understanding is from my friends
Speaker 2: who love horror and stuff, a lot of these movies
Speaker 2: became like perennial on like Stars or Cinemax or USA,
Speaker 2: so they kind of build their own cult following there.
Speaker 2: And I think that for me, a movie like Bride
Speaker 2: of Chucky or even like Halloween h two, oh, Like,
Speaker 2: these are movies that at the time were sort of
Speaker 2: derided as like, oh, this is a late stage sequel,
Speaker 2: and Halloween h two is no Bride of Chucky, but
Speaker 2: it does have just Shartner and is incredibly bad Bangs,
Speaker 2: which is still very influential. But yeah, I just think
Speaker 2: it's a really interesting period to look back on because
Speaker 2: you also have something like The Faculty, which should have
Speaker 2: been more influential than it was because it was Robert
Speaker 2: Rodriguez trying to inject a different genre into the teen
Speaker 2: slasher movement by doing like a body possession, body snatchers
Speaker 2: alien movie. And I think that movie still stands today
Speaker 2: as a really brilliant entry into the teen horror cannon.
Speaker 2: But it didn't necessarily spark off a ton of other
Speaker 2: movies in that vein You.
Speaker 1: Know what killed off slashers in my opinion, yeah, guns,
Speaker 1: it's why the zombies kind of came back too.
Speaker 2: I think that's a really great and depressing read.
Speaker 1: It's sadly very depressing, you know, like one of the
Speaker 1: here's like I love zombie movies. That lover may Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love twenty eight Days Later. I like the Walking
Speaker 1: Bed for a couple of seasons. I love the Walking
Speaker 1: into the Coming Book. That said, I think it's also
Speaker 1: become a touchstone type of story for a type of
Speaker 1: person who can't wait to shoot their neighbor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly, And I.
Speaker 1: Think the pervasiveness of firearms in life and in culture
Speaker 1: makes it tough to countenance like a slow walking, knife
Speaker 1: wielding assailing exactly like logging towards you. I understand that
Speaker 1: Jason and Michael get up after you kill them, but.
Speaker 3: Like that still kind of why Yeah, because you have
Speaker 3: to have them be supernatural.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because otherwise you ask why don't they have a gun.
Speaker 2: It's one of the things I actually think is most
Speaker 2: powerful about the most recent scream movie, Scream six. They
Speaker 2: had ghost Face with a gun and it was this
Speaker 2: kind of brutal, horrible, real world kind of extension and
Speaker 2: you go, oh, this is like awful. This isn't fun
Speaker 2: to watch when you put it in that space. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think you make a great point. Guns essentially kill
Speaker 2: off slasher movie, you know what. Okay, So I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go for a really bleak pick. Do not watch this
Speaker 2: one if you are not feeling brave or are feeling
Speaker 2: slightly depressed and you don't want to go into a hole.
Speaker 3: I am gonna pick Funny Games because you could pick
Speaker 3: three pnickies right here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. This movie came out in nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 2: You could argue whether it's a horror movie or a
Speaker 2: psychological horror thriller or whatever you want to say, but
Speaker 2: I think it is one of the most horrifying movies
Speaker 2: of all time. And it is about a family who
Speaker 2: are on holiday and somebody asks to come in and
Speaker 2: he says, yeah, can we borrow some eggs? Like we're
Speaker 2: friends of a local family and they're at kind of
Speaker 2: a beautiful lake, and the family lets them in and
Speaker 2: they essentially go on to torture and kill the family
Speaker 2: in this very psychological way. And it's part of Hannake's trilogy,
Speaker 2: kind of spiritual trilogy about violence on TV and violence
Speaker 2: and movies and how it impacts sas this is. I
Speaker 2: remember being like one of the movies that fucked me
Speaker 2: up more than any other movie when I was left
Speaker 2: thinking about this movie's really off putting, really off putting. Also,
Speaker 2: I will say, in a rare twist, he made a
Speaker 2: shot for shot remake in two thousand and seven of
Speaker 2: his own movie, which has a complete English casting crew,
Speaker 2: and I think it is really also incredibly good, which
Speaker 2: is rare for a remake. But I will say the
Speaker 2: reason I think this is so influential is because pretty
Speaker 2: much every modern home invasion movie doesn't exist in the
Speaker 2: same way without this, yeah, which is somebody breaks into
Speaker 2: your house, but they're using the things that are in
Speaker 2: your house to torture you. Your home becomes the place
Speaker 2: that is the horror rather than the safe haven. And
Speaker 2: that can be any movie from the Strangers, the Collector
Speaker 2: these kind of huge popcorn movies about people breaking into
Speaker 2: your house. Hush by Mike Flanagan, which I know is
Speaker 2: having a resurgence right now. I think this is the
Speaker 2: seminal starter point of that, because it's not just about
Speaker 2: a slasher like Black Christmas, where somebody's in your house
Speaker 2: and they're waiting to kill you. This is about somebody
Speaker 2: who turns your house into the place you are terrified
Speaker 2: to be. Even The Purge takes a lot from this movie,
Speaker 2: the first Purge movie, Strangers. Oh the Strangers. Yeah, this
Speaker 2: is such an influential scary film, so that one's definitely
Speaker 2: up there for me.
Speaker 1: I want to give special mention while we're on Hannicky
Speaker 1: to the kind of ahead of its time and very
Speaker 1: very disturbing Benny's Video Yes, Michael Hannicky, nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2: Two, part of this spiritual trilogy.
Speaker 1: It's about this young boy, Benny, who is obsessed with
Speaker 1: his video camera, obsessed with violince, obsessed with the violence
Speaker 1: he sees on TV and finding violent images. He becomes
Speaker 1: fixated on this footage of a pig on a farm
Speaker 1: being slaughtered with like one of those air guns, and
Speaker 1: he watches it again and again when his parents leave,
Speaker 1: he invites a girl over and he kills her after
Speaker 1: watching it. And it's a fucking disturbing movie that has
Speaker 1: notes of like a school shooter, and very much in
Speaker 1: the Hannicky vein, which is the horror is the things
Speaker 1: at home. It's the child that you're not engaged with enough.
Speaker 1: It's the child's interests that you don't understand and you
Speaker 1: think are innocent but are really quite dark and disturbing.
Speaker 1: And I think it speaks to a specific kind of anxiety,
Speaker 1: which is the gap that happens between kids and their
Speaker 1: parents with the march of technology, where kids are just
Speaker 1: like they're naturally adept at technology, and in that gap
Speaker 1: where kids are just like technological natives, their parents don't
Speaker 1: quite understand what's going on in those digital spaces. And
Speaker 1: Benny's video is that. I just want to mention that,
Speaker 1: and then I will talk about another influential movie that
Speaker 1: I think is kind of in the same vein in
Speaker 1: that it talks about technology. It's about technology as an
Speaker 1: isolating factor and as a vector for horror and strangers,
Speaker 1: and that is Pulse.
Speaker 2: MT.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and one's Pulse, which is it's a weird
Speaker 1: movie in that it starts as this ring New style
Speaker 1: ghost movie in which it's also like a wonderful depiction
Speaker 1: of Internet one point zero, where like people are there's
Speaker 1: like a really funny in retrospect scene now where like
Speaker 1: in a computer lab, this kid is learning how to
Speaker 1: like book bark websites.
Speaker 2: That's like, yeah, But also I have to say this
Speaker 2: is very influential in that way specifically because this essentially
Speaker 2: sparks off an era of Internet horror where none of
Speaker 2: it necessarily ever made the impact that Pulse did. But
Speaker 2: I love watching movies where they're like, somebody is watching
Speaker 2: you on your webcam, but they really have no idea
Speaker 2: how terrifying the Internet would become because they can only
Speaker 2: specifically visualize it in this very small kind of slasherish way.
Speaker 2: Whereas we know now the horrors of the Internet far
Speaker 2: more than we could have haven't perceived.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it does. Specifically, the first half of the
Speaker 1: movie really predicts that you know, creepy pasta copy pasta
Speaker 1: you know, weird shit on the Internet, scary images on
Speaker 1: the Internet kind of vibe where these various characters are
Speaker 1: coming into contact with unexplained images and videos that they
Speaker 1: find on the Internet that are very, very spooky and strange.
Speaker 1: The back half of the movie, where it widens out
Speaker 1: and it becomes like a global phenomenon of like ghosts
Speaker 1: invading Earth, gets a little too out there for me.
Speaker 1: But the first half of this movie is so spooky
Speaker 1: and good. Yeah, and touches something that type of scariness
Speaker 1: and creepiness that is still really on the Internet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. I love that movie. I think
Speaker 2: that's a great Paul, great one to rewatch this spooky season.
Speaker 2: I have to bring up a movie that for me
Speaker 2: was like a traumatizing experience as a child, and I
Speaker 2: also do think is one of the biggest influential movies
Speaker 2: from this era. That is Vincenzo Natali's Cube Cue the
Speaker 2: Canadian horror franchise that as it went on became very
Speaker 2: out there lots of interesting sci fi horror notes. But
Speaker 2: the original is about a group of people who wake
Speaker 2: up in a room and they don't know how to
Speaker 2: get out of the room, and as they venture into
Speaker 2: other rooms they meet other people, but some of the
Speaker 2: rooms are booby trapped. It's a fantastically made movie. I
Speaker 2: think it's incredibly influential. I think Saw doesn't exist without
Speaker 2: this movie because it is the notion of basically filming
Speaker 2: in one room, even though here they used lighting to
Speaker 2: make it look like they were in multiple different rooms.
Speaker 2: But the deaths in this were so scary. I felt
Speaker 2: like the character felt so real. I was really going
Speaker 2: through it at this period of my life when I
Speaker 2: was like eleven or twelve things were not great for
Speaker 2: baby Rosie, so like it sparked like an existential horror
Speaker 2: in me, and it took me a long time to
Speaker 2: be able to go back and rewatch it. But I
Speaker 2: truly think it's like such a vibrantly, brilliantly made indie
Speaker 2: horror that then influences so many movies going forward, whether
Speaker 2: it's Saw or really any trapped room horror, especially the
Speaker 2: kind of era that we got about five years ago
Speaker 2: where everything was about escape rooms, the escape room geology,
Speaker 2: which I actually really enjoy more of a PG. Thirteen horror,
Speaker 2: But basically any of those movies like Puzzle or whatever,
Speaker 2: there were so many where it was about people being
Speaker 2: stuck in a room and you have to solve puzzles
Speaker 2: to understand why you're in the room and to get
Speaker 2: out of the room, and that basically all goes back
Speaker 2: to Cube, and I just think this movie is still
Speaker 2: really terrifying. There was actually a really great Japanese remake
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one that I recommend people watch too,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure now it probably looks kind of dated
Speaker 2: and strange, but it has a cost of people I
Speaker 2: didn't recognize, which I think was so terrifying to me
Speaker 2: because I couldn't connect them to oh, this isn't real. Also,
Speaker 2: this sets up one of the things that I think
Speaker 2: is scariest about Saw and other trapped room horror, which
Speaker 2: is you wake up and you don't know how you
Speaker 2: got there. Yeah, that for me was really scary, Like
Speaker 2: you could go to sleep, or you could be going
Speaker 2: to school, and then you could just wake up and
Speaker 2: be somewhere else. That was very unsettling. So I think
Speaker 2: Cube is definitely up there, not only as an influential
Speaker 2: movie for horror, but also an influential movie for me
Speaker 2: because it terrorized me for like two years.
Speaker 1: These are all really great picks. I think this is
Speaker 1: a lot for folks who are looking to delve into horror,
Speaker 1: and specifically like a lot of non American horror, which
Speaker 1: I think you know, American horror. I feel yeah, listen,
Speaker 1: I love all horror. American horror specifically is like very,
Speaker 1: very over the top, and there's something eerie about a
Speaker 1: lot of the interes national horror picks we've picked here.
Speaker 1: But let me ask you, so, as we look at
Speaker 1: these movies and we look at the horror that's coming
Speaker 1: out now in the theaters, where do you think horror
Speaker 1: is going in the next decade?
Speaker 2: I love that question. I think we are going to
Speaker 2: move towards more of a movement that is equivalent to
Speaker 2: the nineties, but I think could be more fruitful here
Speaker 2: of that high budget potential Oscar nominated horror. Now we
Speaker 2: talk a lot about the Oscar's not really giving a
Speaker 2: lot of nods to your traditional horror in the nineties
Speaker 2: that was a little bit different. You know, you did
Speaker 2: have your Silence of the Lambs, your Miseries. Now you
Speaker 2: know we had Get Out, which kind of broached that
Speaker 2: for the first time in a while. But I think
Speaker 2: that with the consistent success of horror as a low budget,
Speaker 2: high reward space, I think we are going to get
Speaker 2: more Jordan Peel's, more inventive horror, more investment in horror
Speaker 2: I mean, look at a movie like Talk to Me
Speaker 2: that was such a huge hit, five million dollar budget.
Speaker 2: I think a lot about The Invisible Man by Lee
Speaker 2: wannl which I bring up all the time. Go watch
Speaker 2: It's Fantastic, a terrifying domestic horror thriller that cost five
Speaker 2: million dollars and made one hundred million in its opening weekend.
Speaker 2: So I think luckily the controversial days of the term
Speaker 2: elevated horror are kind of behind us, which really was
Speaker 2: just the start of studios like A twenty four investing
Speaker 2: in new horror spaces and new horror directors. I would
Speaker 2: love to see someone like near DaCosta get that big investment,
Speaker 2: you know, the Marvels director who directed Candy Man, who
Speaker 2: was also a brilliant indie horror director. So I think
Speaker 2: we're going to get more diverse horror that pushes outside
Speaker 2: of the boundaries. Horrors I loved recently like Bodies, Bodies, Bodies,
Speaker 2: So funny, such a real good subversion of slasher movies,
Speaker 2: and our expectations. Also even movies that we're getting on
Speaker 2: the ila I would have loved to see in theaters.
Speaker 2: But like Netflix released a movie this October called It's
Speaker 2: What's Inside That was very much in that space of
Speaker 2: like a body's body's bodies or a talk to Me
Speaker 2: had this crazy swift editing that definitely felt like and
Speaker 2: I'm going to sound old saying this, but it felt
Speaker 2: like it was influenced by like TikTok and that kind
Speaker 2: of speedier way of taking an information, and that was
Speaker 2: about a machine that could switch people into each other's
Speaker 2: bodies and kids are playing it at a party. I
Speaker 2: feel like we're gonna keep getting more strange, new inventive
Speaker 2: approaches to genre, but I think we're also going to
Speaker 2: get the sto warts like Leewan Or has a new
Speaker 2: Wolfman movie coming out for Universal, which looks really, really
Speaker 2: great with Christopher Abbott, who's amazing. James Wan just released Teacup,
Speaker 2: which is like a new show on Peacock, certified fresh,
Speaker 2: very scary horror TV show. Also, you know, working on
Speaker 2: continuing those big franchises. So I think it's gonna be
Speaker 2: a mix between big budget and indie. But I think
Speaker 2: it's just going to keep becoming more successful. And I
Speaker 2: feel like third movie in Jordan p probably gonna finally
Speaker 2: get the Oscar love he should of Nope is one
Speaker 2: of my all time favorite movies. I think that should
Speaker 2: have been a sweep. But I think that whatever his
Speaker 2: next movie is, we're probably gonna see that Oscar recognition
Speaker 2: for genre and for horror really coming to the forefront.
Speaker 2: What do you think.
Speaker 1: I think some of the most exciting stuff is gonna
Speaker 1: be like internet and video games and creepy pasta influenced horror.
Speaker 1: I think the success of Five Nights at Freddy's I
Speaker 1: think hints at this and Babe, I think that that
Speaker 1: is a really rich space for creeps, and it's also
Speaker 1: a place where, to your point, you can make a
Speaker 1: dollar go a long, long, long way. Exactly need a
Speaker 1: lot of money to make this stuff.
Speaker 2: And I do think like they have a lot of
Speaker 2: horror that's actually on YouTube now, like the backrooms and yeah,
Speaker 2: people who are just making stuff and putting it up there,
Speaker 2: and it has that, and I think for a lot
Speaker 2: of kids, like you say it is these it's not
Speaker 2: even necessarily the movies. I love Five Nights at Freddy's.
Speaker 2: My nephew's a big Five Nights at Freddy's fans, so
Speaker 2: is my niece. But for them, they actually love to
Speaker 2: watch YouTube content that's inspired by those movies but made
Speaker 2: by other people. So I think almost this like democratization
Speaker 2: of horror on the internet. You make a great point.
Speaker 1: I think with the ongoing unavailability of affordable housing, you're
Speaker 1: going to see a resurgence in the bad roommate type
Speaker 1: or single white female Oh interest horror films. Those kinds
Speaker 1: of stories where you end up a roommate with someone
Speaker 1: who is terrible are kind of interest in scammers and
Speaker 1: people who lie. Can add to this, you know, I
Speaker 1: expect to see something like that, And I think other
Speaker 1: stuff that's been really speaking to me is this kind
Speaker 1: of like folkloric like hereditary, you know, this like ancient
Speaker 1: folkloric kind of horror that feels really vibrant in a
Speaker 1: technological world specifically where I don't mean to say that
Speaker 1: like Paranormal Active and what's the other one over zoom
Speaker 1: host host really fun one. I don't mean to say
Speaker 1: that those movies are done, but it also feels like
Speaker 1: a kind of endpoint, like, Okay, what's next for this
Speaker 1: kind of specific approach to horror? And so I think
Speaker 1: that there's gonna be a resurgence of these kind of
Speaker 1: like ancient knowledge old folklore. Witch's tales, scary comes out
Speaker 1: of the woods kind of stories.
Speaker 2: I think you make a great point because folk horror
Speaker 2: is it can be a response to technology, and there
Speaker 2: has been so many great ones. There was The Devil's Bath,
Speaker 2: which was by Veronica Franz and Severin Fiala. That was
Speaker 2: this year. Also The Adams Family, that kind of blend
Speaker 2: of YouTube horror. They all make horror together as a family,
Speaker 2: super low budget. But Hell Bender that was another breakout one.
Speaker 2: I love folk horror. I would say everyone go and
Speaker 2: watch The Wickerman.
Speaker 1: I think it's my favorite horror right now. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also Husarah the Bone Woman that was another great one.
Speaker 2: I think that is such a good point because it
Speaker 2: is this kind of response to we've done Internet, We've
Speaker 2: done this. So what are the horrors that used to
Speaker 2: scare our ancestors? What are the.
Speaker 1: Horrors forgotten knowledge? Horror?
Speaker 2: The horror that kind of what does it mean to
Speaker 2: us to be human and what separates us from the animals,
Speaker 2: you know, like Shelly Jackson's fantastic story The Lottery, one
Speaker 2: of my favorite stories of all time. Oh The Ennis
Speaker 2: Men that was another really brilliant recent folk horror. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I want to see more of that, and I want
Speaker 2: to see studios investing in that kind of straight midsommer
Speaker 2: also fits into that. Actually, speaking of Ariasta, Oh. Also,
Speaker 2: probably my favorite movie horror movie that I've seen this
Speaker 2: year that was like unexpected to me was Jang jay
Speaker 2: Hun's ex Huma, which is a Korean folk horror movie,
Speaker 2: and it is so good and it's all about that
Speaker 2: social commentary of like the old and the new. And
Speaker 2: also I think that you raise a great point that
Speaker 2: we're probably gonna end up not only in an era
Speaker 2: of like single white female and stuff, but also movies
Speaker 2: about more movies about poverty like People Under the Stairs
Speaker 2: or obviously you know, Get Out has social commentary, but
Speaker 2: I think we could be going to an era of
Speaker 2: even more like that. Like there was a movie called
Speaker 2: The Platform a couple of years ago about people who
Speaker 2: are on this platform and you can only get food
Speaker 2: that's left by the other people as the platform comes down.
Speaker 2: Squid Game obviously another great one that kind of deals
Speaker 2: with that. I think as that space grows, we're going
Speaker 2: to get more social commentary about the horrors of being poor,
Speaker 2: the horrors of not being able to buy a house,
Speaker 2: the horrors of not being able to afford your groceries. Like,
Speaker 2: I think that's sadly, we'll probably inspire a great era
Speaker 2: of horror.
Speaker 1: Up next, our favorite horror directors. Rosie, here we are.
Speaker 1: It's time to talk about our favorite horror directors. We
Speaker 1: just do you want to do like our top three
Speaker 1: all time?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: All time? Three?
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 1: Let's do it Top three all time? Okay, you go first, Okay.
Speaker 2: I am gonna pick. And this is very specifically for
Speaker 2: really one movie. But I love Bill Gunn, who made
Speaker 2: Ganja and Hess. That's like one of the most influential
Speaker 2: movies in my life. I think it is also the
Speaker 2: origin of slasher movies. It's the origin of the Final Girl.
Speaker 2: It's so experimental, it's so cool. So he is always
Speaker 2: up there for me, even though it's really just for
Speaker 2: ganderin Has.
Speaker 1: My picks are gonna be pretty boring, I think. But
Speaker 1: John Carpenter Halloween, The Thing, the Fog, the Mouth and Manness, YadA, YadA, YadA,
Speaker 1: goes on and on and on Assault on Pre six thirteen,
Speaker 1: which is more of a action thriller, but it's still
Speaker 1: really fun. Like I like almost all of his movies,
Speaker 1: and obviously Halloween is a touchdown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm also gonna jump in then and say John Karpito.
Speaker 1: Because I just love him so much.
Speaker 2: He's my guy, He's my babe. Yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 2: hard for me because I just love so many of
Speaker 2: those like classic guys. But yeah, John Coppet is definitely
Speaker 2: up there for me. Yeah, probably the director who's movies
Speaker 2: I watch most in a year. I will always keep
Speaker 2: on any John Carpenter movie if it's on TV. I
Speaker 2: own most of them on physical media. I think he
Speaker 2: is a trailblazer. I think he's a multi talented guy.
Speaker 2: I also think he's just really cool. And yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: a big, big carpet of fan, So I back you
Speaker 2: up on that one.
Speaker 1: Next one again, very boring pick, but Georgia Merrow Iconic
Speaker 1: kicked off the zombie genre mix of action, horror and
Speaker 1: trenchant social commentary. I've said it before, I said again,
Speaker 1: Donna the Dead is a great film period, not just
Speaker 1: like a horror movie. Georgia Merrow the father of modern zombies.
Speaker 2: Truth, and I'm gonna go this is I wouldn't say
Speaker 2: it's necessarily like a cheat, but he does have movies
Speaker 2: outside of the genre that I just love so much,
Speaker 2: and he's definitely one of my all time favorite directors.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go for David Cronenberg. Nice body horror legends.
Speaker 2: You know, he made Crash, which is one of my
Speaker 2: all time favorit films. David Cronenberg's Crash, look it up,
Speaker 2: not the weird oscar bait Crash. Yeah, Like I always
Speaker 2: have to specify that because everyone's like, you like that movie,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, it's a different movie, guys, and you're
Speaker 2: actually gonna be more shocked by this movie. But yeah,
Speaker 2: Body Horror trailblazer, deeply trenchant social commentary, unafraid of terrifying people,
Speaker 2: making super cool, rad, weird indie movies in Montreal and
Speaker 2: then becoming kind of this global phenomenon. And as he's
Speaker 2: grown older, his work is just evolved and become even stranger.
Speaker 2: And he has a great taste for casting and storytelling,
Speaker 2: and so often is telling something that's way deeper than
Speaker 2: it seems, like Videodrome or even like his newer movies,
Speaker 2: so much about grief and bodily autonomy and just I
Speaker 2: just love him so much. So that's gonna be my
Speaker 2: last pick. But I could honestly go on for like ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could go on forever as well. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: pick Jordan Peel.
Speaker 2: Yes, good, good, get for.
Speaker 1: Bringing a and much needed perspective to horror. Obviously, the
Speaker 1: kind of like slow rolling terror, not the kind of
Speaker 1: jump scares that you're respecting, but this kind of like
Speaker 1: suffocating feeling of something's wrong that combine themes of race
Speaker 1: and privilege and lots of social commentary. Jordan Peele is
Speaker 1: you can't go wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just I think he is the most influential
Speaker 2: horror director working right now. I think get Out, and
Speaker 2: I think that's get Out inspired an entire cottage industry
Speaker 2: within the studio system, though have they ever been able
Speaker 2: to reach the peaks of that fantastic movie? Probably not.
Speaker 2: And also Us is just such a brave follow up,
Speaker 2: an unbelievably strange, weird, brilliant movie. And I think, no,
Speaker 2: that's alongside like Jaws, Like that's one of the greatest
Speaker 2: monster movies we have, and it's like a fantastic summer movie.
Speaker 2: And I just can't wait to see what he does next.
Speaker 2: I think Jordan Peele's a legend.
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