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Speaker 1: Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for many many horror movies

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Speaker 1: of the nineties and two thousands, which is the topic

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Speaker 1: we'll be discussing today. Hello, my name is Jason Concepsio

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Speaker 1: and I'm mersday Night, and welcome back to ext r

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Speaker 1: Vision of the podcast, where we dive deep into your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows, movies, and comics and pop culture. Coming to

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Speaker 1: three Wow episodes a week, every Tuesday Thursday, with an

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Speaker 1: extra episode every Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, it is Halloween. So after we recently

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Speaker 2: broke down what we think is the best decade in

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Speaker 2: the eighties for horra you can go and listen to that.

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Speaker 2: After you listen to this episode, we are going to

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Speaker 2: be talking about the most influential horror movies of the

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Speaker 2: nineties and two thousands. As we step out of the

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Speaker 2: air lock and back into our past, our nostalgic, spooky past,

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Speaker 2: and in Who's Who, we're gonna pick our favorite horror

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Speaker 2: directors of all time. But first it's into the airlock.

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Speaker 1: Let's go, okay, Rosie, why do we want to talk

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Speaker 1: about movies? Horror movies from this era? The nineties and

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Speaker 2: Oh, we were discussing how we were going to follow

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Speaker 2: up the best year of horror in the eighties because

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Speaker 2: we just had so much fun with that. It was

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Speaker 2: know so well. And then these movies that really shaped us.

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Speaker 2: And as we were talking about it, we were kind

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Speaker 2: about like Ringu. I was like, yeah, Bower Real, like

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Speaker 2: These movise were incredibly influential, so let's talk about how

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Speaker 2: they change the game. And you have a really great

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Speaker 1: Yeah. For me, when I look at nineties horror, it

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Speaker 1: really the I think the most impactful horror films were

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Speaker 1: big budget often Oscar bait type films, Silence of Lambs,

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Speaker 1: Cape Fear, Bram Stoker's Dracula.

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Speaker 2: Thrilla is almost Yeah, horror is, but they do have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the sixth sense, right, the Devil's Advocate, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's the al Pacino and Keanu Reeves, Jacob's lad Jacob's Ladder.

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Speaker 1: Like it's these kind of like very high concept, very

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Speaker 1: that we're at an endpoint in a cycle when that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even like Ichi the Killa. Each like these kind

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Speaker 1: Battle Royal one of this call, and I am of

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Speaker 1: And that's like it follows Smile. There's a lot of

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, so many fantastic movies. Well let's start

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Speaker 2: with Ringu. When was the first time that you watched it?

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Speaker 1: It follows as well as it's basically the same, It

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Speaker 1: Like slasher films are essentially the same kind of formula,

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Speaker 1: Haunting totally, like it's much more meta and deep than

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Speaker 2: I also think as well, like this thing that's so

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Speaker 2: of Chucky or even like Halloween h two, oh, Like,

432
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,239
Speaker 2: these are movies that at the time were sort of

433
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,479
Speaker 2: derided as like, oh, this is a late stage sequel,

434
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 2: and Halloween h two is no Bride of Chucky, but

435
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 2: it does have just Shartner and is incredibly bad Bangs,

436
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 2: which is still very influential. But yeah, I just think

437
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 2: it's a really interesting period to look back on because

438
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 2: you also have something like The Faculty, which should have

439
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 2: been more influential than it was because it was Robert

440
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 2: Rodriguez trying to inject a different genre into the teen

441
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 2: slasher movement by doing like a body possession, body snatchers

442
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: alien movie. And I think that movie still stands today

443
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: as a really brilliant entry into the teen horror cannon.

444
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: But it didn't necessarily spark off a ton of other

445
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: movies in that vein You.

446
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: Know what killed off slashers in my opinion, yeah, guns,

447
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 1: it's why the zombies kind of came back too.

448
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 2: I think that's a really great and depressing read.

449
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: It's sadly very depressing, you know, like one of the

450
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: here's like I love zombie movies. That lover may Yeah,

451
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: I love twenty eight Days Later. I like the Walking

452
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: Bed for a couple of seasons. I love the Walking

453
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: into the Coming Book. That said, I think it's also

454
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: become a touchstone type of story for a type of

455
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: person who can't wait to shoot their neighbor.

456
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly, And I.

457
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: Think the pervasiveness of firearms in life and in culture

458
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: makes it tough to countenance like a slow walking, knife

459
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: wielding assailing exactly like logging towards you. I understand that

460
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 1: Jason and Michael get up after you kill them, but.

461
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 3: Like that still kind of why Yeah, because you have

462
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 3: to have them be supernatural.

463
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, because otherwise you ask why don't they have a gun.

464
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: It's one of the things I actually think is most

465
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: powerful about the most recent scream movie, Scream six. They

466
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 2: had ghost Face with a gun and it was this

467
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 2: kind of brutal, horrible, real world kind of extension and

468
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: you go, oh, this is like awful. This isn't fun

469
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: to watch when you put it in that space. But yeah,

470
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: I think you make a great point. Guns essentially kill

471
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: off slasher movie, you know what. Okay, So I'm gonna

472
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: go for a really bleak pick. Do not watch this

473
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: one if you are not feeling brave or are feeling

474
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 2: slightly depressed and you don't want to go into a hole.

475
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 3: I am gonna pick Funny Games because you could pick

476
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 3: three pnickies right here.

477
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. This movie came out in nineteen ninety seven.

478
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: You could argue whether it's a horror movie or a

479
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: psychological horror thriller or whatever you want to say, but

480
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 2: I think it is one of the most horrifying movies

481
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 2: of all time. And it is about a family who

482
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 2: are on holiday and somebody asks to come in and

483
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: he says, yeah, can we borrow some eggs? Like we're

484
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: friends of a local family and they're at kind of

485
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 2: a beautiful lake, and the family lets them in and

486
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 2: they essentially go on to torture and kill the family

487
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 2: in this very psychological way. And it's part of Hannake's trilogy,

488
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 2: kind of spiritual trilogy about violence on TV and violence

489
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,719
Speaker 2: and movies and how it impacts sas this is. I

490
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 2: remember being like one of the movies that fucked me

491
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: up more than any other movie when I was left

492
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: thinking about this movie's really off putting, really off putting. Also,

493
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: I will say, in a rare twist, he made a

494
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: shot for shot remake in two thousand and seven of

495
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 2: his own movie, which has a complete English casting crew,

496
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 2: and I think it is really also incredibly good, which

497
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 2: is rare for a remake. But I will say the

498
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: reason I think this is so influential is because pretty

499
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: much every modern home invasion movie doesn't exist in the

500
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: same way without this, yeah, which is somebody breaks into

501
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: your house, but they're using the things that are in

502
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 2: your house to torture you. Your home becomes the place

503
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: that is the horror rather than the safe haven. And

504
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 2: that can be any movie from the Strangers, the Collector

505
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 2: these kind of huge popcorn movies about people breaking into

506
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 2: your house. Hush by Mike Flanagan, which I know is

507
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 2: having a resurgence right now. I think this is the

508
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: seminal starter point of that, because it's not just about

509
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: a slasher like Black Christmas, where somebody's in your house

510
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: and they're waiting to kill you. This is about somebody

511
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 2: who turns your house into the place you are terrified

512
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: to be. Even The Purge takes a lot from this movie,

513
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: the first Purge movie, Strangers. Oh the Strangers. Yeah, this

514
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: is such an influential scary film, so that one's definitely

515
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: up there for me.

516
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: I want to give special mention while we're on Hannicky

517
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: to the kind of ahead of its time and very

518
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: very disturbing Benny's Video Yes, Michael Hannicky, nineteen ninety.

519
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 2: Two, part of this spiritual trilogy.

520
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: It's about this young boy, Benny, who is obsessed with

521
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: his video camera, obsessed with violince, obsessed with the violence

522
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: he sees on TV and finding violent images. He becomes

523
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: fixated on this footage of a pig on a farm

524
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: being slaughtered with like one of those air guns, and

525
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: he watches it again and again when his parents leave,

526
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: he invites a girl over and he kills her after

527
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: watching it. And it's a fucking disturbing movie that has

528
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: notes of like a school shooter, and very much in

529
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: the Hannicky vein, which is the horror is the things

530
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: at home. It's the child that you're not engaged with enough.

531
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: It's the child's interests that you don't understand and you

532
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: think are innocent but are really quite dark and disturbing.

533
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: And I think it speaks to a specific kind of anxiety,

534
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: which is the gap that happens between kids and their

535
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: parents with the march of technology, where kids are just

536
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: like they're naturally adept at technology, and in that gap

537
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: where kids are just like technological natives, their parents don't

538
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: quite understand what's going on in those digital spaces. And

539
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: Benny's video is that. I just want to mention that,

540
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: and then I will talk about another influential movie that

541
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: I think is kind of in the same vein in

542
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: that it talks about technology. It's about technology as an

543
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: isolating factor and as a vector for horror and strangers,

544
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: and that is Pulse.

545
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: MT.

546
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: Two thousand and one's Pulse, which is it's a weird

547
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: movie in that it starts as this ring New style

548
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: ghost movie in which it's also like a wonderful depiction

549
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: of Internet one point zero, where like people are there's

550
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: like a really funny in retrospect scene now where like

551
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: in a computer lab, this kid is learning how to

552
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: like book bark websites.

553
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: That's like, yeah, But also I have to say this

554
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: is very influential in that way specifically because this essentially

555
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: sparks off an era of Internet horror where none of

556
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 2: it necessarily ever made the impact that Pulse did. But

557
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: I love watching movies where they're like, somebody is watching

558
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: you on your webcam, but they really have no idea

559
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: how terrifying the Internet would become because they can only

560
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: specifically visualize it in this very small kind of slasherish way.

561
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: Whereas we know now the horrors of the Internet far

562
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: more than we could have haven't perceived.

563
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it does. Specifically, the first half of the

564
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: movie really predicts that you know, creepy pasta copy pasta

565
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: you know, weird shit on the Internet, scary images on

566
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: the Internet kind of vibe where these various characters are

567
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: coming into contact with unexplained images and videos that they

568
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: find on the Internet that are very, very spooky and strange.

569
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: The back half of the movie, where it widens out

570
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: and it becomes like a global phenomenon of like ghosts

571
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: invading Earth, gets a little too out there for me.

572
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: But the first half of this movie is so spooky

573
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: and good. Yeah, and touches something that type of scariness

574
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: and creepiness that is still really on the Internet.

575
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. I love that movie. I think

576
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: that's a great Paul, great one to rewatch this spooky season.

577
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: I have to bring up a movie that for me

578
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: was like a traumatizing experience as a child, and I

579
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: also do think is one of the biggest influential movies

580
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: from this era. That is Vincenzo Natali's Cube Cue the

581
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: Canadian horror franchise that as it went on became very

582
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: out there lots of interesting sci fi horror notes. But

583
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: the original is about a group of people who wake

584
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: up in a room and they don't know how to

585
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: get out of the room, and as they venture into

586
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: other rooms they meet other people, but some of the

587
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: rooms are booby trapped. It's a fantastically made movie. I

588
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: think it's incredibly influential. I think Saw doesn't exist without

589
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: this movie because it is the notion of basically filming

590
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: in one room, even though here they used lighting to

591
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: make it look like they were in multiple different rooms.

592
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: But the deaths in this were so scary. I felt

593
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: like the character felt so real. I was really going

594
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: through it at this period of my life when I

595
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: was like eleven or twelve things were not great for

596
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: baby Rosie, so like it sparked like an existential horror

597
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: in me, and it took me a long time to

598
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: be able to go back and rewatch it. But I

599
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: truly think it's like such a vibrantly, brilliantly made indie

600
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: horror that then influences so many movies going forward, whether

601
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: it's Saw or really any trapped room horror, especially the

602
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: kind of era that we got about five years ago

603
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: where everything was about escape rooms, the escape room geology,

604
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: which I actually really enjoy more of a PG. Thirteen horror,

605
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: But basically any of those movies like Puzzle or whatever,

606
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: there were so many where it was about people being

607
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: stuck in a room and you have to solve puzzles

608
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: to understand why you're in the room and to get

609
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: out of the room, and that basically all goes back

610
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 2: to Cube, and I just think this movie is still

611
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 2: really terrifying. There was actually a really great Japanese remake

612
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one that I recommend people watch too,

613
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: and I'm sure now it probably looks kind of dated

614
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: and strange, but it has a cost of people I

615
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: didn't recognize, which I think was so terrifying to me

616
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 2: because I couldn't connect them to oh, this isn't real. Also,

617
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 2: this sets up one of the things that I think

618
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 2: is scariest about Saw and other trapped room horror, which

619
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: is you wake up and you don't know how you

620
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: got there. Yeah, that for me was really scary, Like

621
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: you could go to sleep, or you could be going

622
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: to school, and then you could just wake up and

623
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: be somewhere else. That was very unsettling. So I think

624
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: Cube is definitely up there, not only as an influential

625
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: movie for horror, but also an influential movie for me

626
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 2: because it terrorized me for like two years.

627
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: These are all really great picks. I think this is

628
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: a lot for folks who are looking to delve into horror,

629
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: and specifically like a lot of non American horror, which

630
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: I think you know, American horror. I feel yeah, listen,

631
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: I love all horror. American horror specifically is like very,

632
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: very over the top, and there's something eerie about a

633
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: lot of the interes national horror picks we've picked here.

634
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: But let me ask you, so, as we look at

635
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: these movies and we look at the horror that's coming

636
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: out now in the theaters, where do you think horror

637
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: is going in the next decade?

638
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 2: I love that question. I think we are going to

639
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: move towards more of a movement that is equivalent to

640
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: the nineties, but I think could be more fruitful here

641
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: of that high budget potential Oscar nominated horror. Now we

642
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 2: talk a lot about the Oscar's not really giving a

643
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 2: lot of nods to your traditional horror in the nineties

644
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 2: that was a little bit different. You know, you did

645
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: have your Silence of the Lambs, your Miseries. Now you

646
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: know we had Get Out, which kind of broached that

647
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: for the first time in a while. But I think

648
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Speaker 2: that with the consistent success of horror as a low budget,

649
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Speaker 2: high reward space, I think we are going to get

650
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Speaker 2: more Jordan Peel's, more inventive horror, more investment in horror

651
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Speaker 2: I mean, look at a movie like Talk to Me

652
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Speaker 2: that was such a huge hit, five million dollar budget.

653
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 2: I think a lot about The Invisible Man by Lee

654
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Speaker 2: wannl which I bring up all the time. Go watch

655
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 2: It's Fantastic, a terrifying domestic horror thriller that cost five

656
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: million dollars and made one hundred million in its opening weekend.

657
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: So I think luckily the controversial days of the term

658
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Speaker 2: elevated horror are kind of behind us, which really was

659
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Speaker 2: just the start of studios like A twenty four investing

660
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Speaker 2: in new horror spaces and new horror directors. I would

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Speaker 2: love to see someone like near DaCosta get that big investment,

662
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Speaker 2: you know, the Marvels director who directed Candy Man, who

663
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Speaker 2: was also a brilliant indie horror director. So I think

664
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Speaker 2: we're going to get more diverse horror that pushes outside

665
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: of the boundaries. Horrors I loved recently like Bodies, Bodies, Bodies,

666
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Speaker 2: So funny, such a real good subversion of slasher movies,

667
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Speaker 2: and our expectations. Also even movies that we're getting on

668
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Speaker 2: the ila I would have loved to see in theaters.

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Speaker 2: But like Netflix released a movie this October called It's

670
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: What's Inside That was very much in that space of

671
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 2: like a body's body's bodies or a talk to Me

672
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: had this crazy swift editing that definitely felt like and

673
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Speaker 2: I'm going to sound old saying this, but it felt

674
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: like it was influenced by like TikTok and that kind

675
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: of speedier way of taking an information, and that was

676
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 2: about a machine that could switch people into each other's

677
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: bodies and kids are playing it at a party. I

678
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: feel like we're gonna keep getting more strange, new inventive

679
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 2: approaches to genre, but I think we're also going to

680
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: get the sto warts like Leewan Or has a new

681
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: Wolfman movie coming out for Universal, which looks really, really

682
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: great with Christopher Abbott, who's amazing. James Wan just released Teacup,

683
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: which is like a new show on Peacock, certified fresh,

684
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Speaker 2: very scary horror TV show. Also, you know, working on

685
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: continuing those big franchises. So I think it's gonna be

686
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 2: a mix between big budget and indie. But I think

687
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Speaker 2: it's just going to keep becoming more successful. And I

688
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: feel like third movie in Jordan p probably gonna finally

689
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: get the Oscar love he should of Nope is one

690
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,479
Speaker 2: of my all time favorite movies. I think that should

691
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: have been a sweep. But I think that whatever his

692
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: next movie is, we're probably gonna see that Oscar recognition

693
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Speaker 2: for genre and for horror really coming to the forefront.

694
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Speaker 2: What do you think.

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Speaker 1: I think some of the most exciting stuff is gonna

696
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Speaker 1: be like internet and video games and creepy pasta influenced horror.

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Speaker 1: I think the success of Five Nights at Freddy's I

698
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Speaker 1: think hints at this and Babe, I think that that

699
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Speaker 1: is a really rich space for creeps, and it's also

700
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Speaker 1: a place where, to your point, you can make a

701
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Speaker 1: dollar go a long, long, long way. Exactly need a

702
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Speaker 1: lot of money to make this stuff.

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Speaker 2: And I do think like they have a lot of

704
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Speaker 2: horror that's actually on YouTube now, like the backrooms and yeah,

705
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Speaker 2: people who are just making stuff and putting it up there,

706
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Speaker 2: and it has that, and I think for a lot

707
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Speaker 2: of kids, like you say it is these it's not

708
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Speaker 2: even necessarily the movies. I love Five Nights at Freddy's.

709
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Speaker 2: My nephew's a big Five Nights at Freddy's fans, so

710
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: is my niece. But for them, they actually love to

711
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Speaker 2: watch YouTube content that's inspired by those movies but made

712
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 2: by other people. So I think almost this like democratization

713
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Speaker 2: of horror on the internet. You make a great point.

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Speaker 1: I think with the ongoing unavailability of affordable housing, you're

715
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Speaker 1: going to see a resurgence in the bad roommate type

716
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: or single white female Oh interest horror films. Those kinds

717
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: of stories where you end up a roommate with someone

718
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Speaker 1: who is terrible are kind of interest in scammers and

719
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Speaker 1: people who lie. Can add to this, you know, I

720
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Speaker 1: expect to see something like that, And I think other

721
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Speaker 1: stuff that's been really speaking to me is this kind

722
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Speaker 1: of like folkloric like hereditary, you know, this like ancient

723
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: folkloric kind of horror that feels really vibrant in a

724
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Speaker 1: technological world specifically where I don't mean to say that

725
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Speaker 1: like Paranormal Active and what's the other one over zoom

726
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Speaker 1: host host really fun one. I don't mean to say

727
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Speaker 1: that those movies are done, but it also feels like

728
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Speaker 1: a kind of endpoint, like, Okay, what's next for this

729
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: kind of specific approach to horror? And so I think

730
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Speaker 1: that there's gonna be a resurgence of these kind of

731
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Speaker 1: like ancient knowledge old folklore. Witch's tales, scary comes out

732
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Speaker 1: of the woods kind of stories.

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Speaker 2: I think you make a great point because folk horror

734
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Speaker 2: is it can be a response to technology, and there

735
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 2: has been so many great ones. There was The Devil's Bath,

736
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Speaker 2: which was by Veronica Franz and Severin Fiala. That was

737
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Speaker 2: this year. Also The Adams Family, that kind of blend

738
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Speaker 2: of YouTube horror. They all make horror together as a family,

739
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 2: super low budget. But Hell Bender that was another breakout one.

740
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Speaker 2: I love folk horror. I would say everyone go and

741
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Speaker 2: watch The Wickerman.

742
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Speaker 1: I think it's my favorite horror right now. Yeah.

743
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: Also Husarah the Bone Woman that was another great one.

744
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Speaker 2: I think that is such a good point because it

745
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Speaker 2: is this kind of response to we've done Internet, We've

746
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: done this. So what are the horrors that used to

747
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Speaker 2: scare our ancestors? What are the.

748
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Speaker 1: Horrors forgotten knowledge? Horror?

749
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: The horror that kind of what does it mean to

750
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Speaker 2: us to be human and what separates us from the animals,

751
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: you know, like Shelly Jackson's fantastic story The Lottery, one

752
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 2: of my favorite stories of all time. Oh The Ennis

753
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 2: Men that was another really brilliant recent folk horror. Yeah,

754
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 2: I want to see more of that, and I want

755
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 2: to see studios investing in that kind of straight midsommer

756
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 2: also fits into that. Actually, speaking of Ariasta, Oh. Also,

757
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: probably my favorite movie horror movie that I've seen this

758
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 2: year that was like unexpected to me was Jang jay

759
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: Hun's ex Huma, which is a Korean folk horror movie,

760
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: and it is so good and it's all about that

761
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: social commentary of like the old and the new. And

762
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: also I think that you raise a great point that

763
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 2: we're probably gonna end up not only in an era

764
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 2: of like single white female and stuff, but also movies

765
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 2: about more movies about poverty like People Under the Stairs

766
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 2: or obviously you know, Get Out has social commentary, but

767
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: I think we could be going to an era of

768
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 2: even more like that. Like there was a movie called

769
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Speaker 2: The Platform a couple of years ago about people who

770
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 2: are on this platform and you can only get food

771
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: that's left by the other people as the platform comes down.

772
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: Squid Game obviously another great one that kind of deals

773
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Speaker 2: with that. I think as that space grows, we're going

774
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Speaker 2: to get more social commentary about the horrors of being poor,

775
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 2: the horrors of not being able to buy a house,

776
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: the horrors of not being able to afford your groceries. Like,

777
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Speaker 2: I think that's sadly, we'll probably inspire a great era

778
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Speaker 2: of horror.

779
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Speaker 1: Up next, our favorite horror directors. Rosie, here we are.

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Speaker 1: It's time to talk about our favorite horror directors. We

781
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Speaker 1: just do you want to do like our top three

782
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Speaker 1: all time?

783
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah?

784
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Speaker 1: All time? Three?

785
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 2: Why not?

786
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Speaker 1: Let's do it Top three all time? Okay, you go first, Okay.

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Speaker 2: I am gonna pick. And this is very specifically for

788
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Speaker 2: really one movie. But I love Bill Gunn, who made

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Speaker 2: Ganja and Hess. That's like one of the most influential

790
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: movies in my life. I think it is also the

791
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: origin of slasher movies. It's the origin of the Final Girl.

792
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: It's so experimental, it's so cool. So he is always

793
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 2: up there for me, even though it's really just for

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Speaker 2: ganderin Has.

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Speaker 1: My picks are gonna be pretty boring, I think. But

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Speaker 1: John Carpenter Halloween, The Thing, the Fog, the Mouth and Manness, YadA, YadA, YadA,

797
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: goes on and on and on Assault on Pre six thirteen,

798
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: which is more of a action thriller, but it's still

799
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Speaker 1: really fun. Like I like almost all of his movies,

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Speaker 1: and obviously Halloween is a touchdown.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm also gonna jump in then and say John Karpito.

802
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: Because I just love him so much.

803
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: He's my guy, He's my babe. Yeah, you know, it's

804
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: hard for me because I just love so many of

805
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: those like classic guys. But yeah, John Coppet is definitely

806
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: up there for me. Yeah, probably the director who's movies

807
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: I watch most in a year. I will always keep

808
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: on any John Carpenter movie if it's on TV. I

809
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: own most of them on physical media. I think he

810
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 2: is a trailblazer. I think he's a multi talented guy.

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Speaker 2: I also think he's just really cool. And yeah, I'm

812
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 2: a big, big carpet of fan, So I back you

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Speaker 2: up on that one.

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Speaker 1: Next one again, very boring pick, but Georgia Merrow Iconic

815
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: kicked off the zombie genre mix of action, horror and

816
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: trenchant social commentary. I've said it before, I said again,

817
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: Donna the Dead is a great film period, not just

818
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Speaker 1: like a horror movie. Georgia Merrow the father of modern zombies.

819
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Speaker 2: Truth, and I'm gonna go this is I wouldn't say

820
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: it's necessarily like a cheat, but he does have movies

821
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Speaker 2: outside of the genre that I just love so much,

822
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Speaker 2: and he's definitely one of my all time favorite directors.

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go for David Cronenberg. Nice body horror legends.

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Speaker 2: You know, he made Crash, which is one of my

825
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: all time favorit films. David Cronenberg's Crash, look it up,

826
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Speaker 2: not the weird oscar bait Crash. Yeah, Like I always

827
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: have to specify that because everyone's like, you like that movie,

828
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: and I'm like, it's a different movie, guys, and you're

829
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Speaker 2: actually gonna be more shocked by this movie. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: Body Horror trailblazer, deeply trenchant social commentary, unafraid of terrifying people,

831
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Speaker 2: making super cool, rad, weird indie movies in Montreal and

832
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: then becoming kind of this global phenomenon. And as he's

833
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 2: grown older, his work is just evolved and become even stranger.

834
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Speaker 2: And he has a great taste for casting and storytelling,

835
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: and so often is telling something that's way deeper than

836
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Speaker 2: it seems, like Videodrome or even like his newer movies,

837
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: so much about grief and bodily autonomy and just I

838
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 2: just love him so much. So that's gonna be my

839
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Speaker 2: last pick. But I could honestly go on for like ever.

840
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could go on forever as well. I'm gonna

841
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Speaker 1: pick Jordan Peel.

842
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 2: Yes, good, good, get for.

843
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Speaker 1: Bringing a and much needed perspective to horror. Obviously, the

844
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: kind of like slow rolling terror, not the kind of

845
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: jump scares that you're respecting, but this kind of like

846
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: suffocating feeling of something's wrong that combine themes of race

847
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: and privilege and lots of social commentary. Jordan Peele is

848
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 1: you can't go wrong.

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00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just I think he is the most influential

850
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Speaker 2: horror director working right now. I think get Out, and

851
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 2: I think that's get Out inspired an entire cottage industry

852
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 2: within the studio system, though have they ever been able

853
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: to reach the peaks of that fantastic movie? Probably not.

854
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 2: And also Us is just such a brave follow up,

855
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 2: an unbelievably strange, weird, brilliant movie. And I think, no,

856
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: that's alongside like Jaws, Like that's one of the greatest

857
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: monster movies we have, and it's like a fantastic summer movie.

858
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 2: And I just can't wait to see what he does next.

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00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: I think Jordan Peele's a legend.

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Speaker 1: On the next episode of X Ray, Vision. We're sharing

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Speaker 1: our reactions to the finale of Agatha along and our

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Speaker 1: overall season thoughts. Plus more more Penguin, we Gotta we

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Speaker 1: Gotta Do, guys like us from the East.

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Speaker 2: Side, Rosie, we Gotta Dot Do, we gotta talk about Wantin.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening. Bye x

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Speaker 1: ray Vision is hosted by Jason Kenspsion and Rosie Knight

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Speaker 1: and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive producers

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Speaker 1: are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer is

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Speaker 1: a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Lareng and Mia Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 2: and Heidi Our discoord Moderato