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Speaker 2: we're doing a Monday afternoon Monday night version. This past

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Speaker 2: weekend was pretty choppy, and I went to Chicago to

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Speaker 2: hang out with Ann and family, so I let John Middelkoff,

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Speaker 2: former NFL scout, take over the control. So instead we'll

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Speaker 2: do a late Monday afternoon podcast. We got a lot

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Speaker 2: of stuff to talk about. There's coaches getting fired left

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Speaker 2: and right. Girod Mayo out in New England, Doug Peterson.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's weird about these coaching ejections, Like Doug

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Speaker 2: Peterson in Philadelphia with a strong foundational owner and general manager,

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Speaker 2: had some real success, and then you put him with

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Speaker 2: Trent Bulke and the con family and in a shakier frame,

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Speaker 2: and he takes the fall. You know, it's it doesn't

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Speaker 2: matter if it's I mean Tom Coughlin, I guess is

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Speaker 2: the last coach that consistently won there? You know, of

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Speaker 2: all these openings right now, I mean, we know we've

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Speaker 2: got you know, we got the Jets and the Saints

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Speaker 2: and the Bears. We've got the Jags in New England.

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Speaker 2: Is there one that's attractive to you if you if

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Speaker 2: you were in the market to be a coach, is

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Speaker 2: there one John that's attractive to you.

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Speaker 1: Well, I gotta start by saying happy birthday, Happy fiftieth Thanks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, buddy.

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Speaker 1: I would say the Jags would be last on that list.

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Speaker 1: I mean that that is the place where, let's face,

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Speaker 1: the careers for coaches go to die. Yeah, and the

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Speaker 1: Trump Balke situation. You know, for a guy that started

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Speaker 1: good politician. I mean he's he's run through a lot

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Speaker 1: of coaches in his career and that connection, you know,

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Speaker 1: part of being in a front office. You get an

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Speaker 1: unfair advantage during the game when the coach is on

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Speaker 1: the sideline with the players, you're usually sitting next to

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Speaker 1: the owner and Die Coke talking craft about what their decisions.

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Speaker 1: I think easily New England when you factor in the

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Speaker 1: Bill of you know, just letting a guy run it now.

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Speaker 1: They said Elliott Wolf, who I don't know personally, have

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Speaker 1: at one point in time he looked like the future

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Speaker 1: packer GM, but they said he's gonna stay. So if

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Speaker 1: Vrabel or whoever is interested in that job, do I

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Speaker 1: have to work with this guy? Is he technically not

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Speaker 1: the GM, he's just the head of personnel. It's a

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Speaker 1: little clunky. All these jobs are pretty clunky, Colin, and

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Speaker 1: I think one consistent theme we saw these owners don't

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Speaker 1: they're speaking Chinese while the owner's speaking Spanish. It's easy

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Speaker 1: for them to hire business people. Why they speak the

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Speaker 1: same language. The coaches coming in talking offensive a defensive scheme.

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Speaker 1: It'd be hard for me to follow, let alone these guys.

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Speaker 1: So I think when you saw John Mora, Jim Irsay,

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Speaker 1: I really think New England just so desperate for Mike Vrabel,

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Speaker 1: which I totally understand, is why Gerrod Mao. They put

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I agree with you. I

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Speaker 2: think the Patriots is the best gig. You know, Chicago's

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Speaker 2: But you know Ryansdorf, the Bulls situation, the Bears, the mccaskeys.

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Speaker 2: It's got sort of older owners where the team is

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Speaker 2: something coaches don't think about. But Jesus, the Packers win.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a terrible job. And I think it

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Speaker 1: And I fully expect a random guy to be the

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Speaker 1: tough to overcome. I mean, the same teams Colin basically

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Speaker 2: Let me list the top of the NFL draft. Tell

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Speaker 2: me if you've heard this before. Titans, Browns, Jaguars, Raiders, Jets, Panthers, Saints, Bears.

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Speaker 2: that it's the ownership that's what it is. Don't you

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Speaker 2: it's overwhelmingly upstairs.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: A prime example is there's only one great quarterback that

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Speaker 2: All the other great quarterbacks made it. The Brown family

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Speaker 2: those things where you know, generally, John, there's seven new

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Speaker 2: pick the NFL. I picked six of the eight divisions right,

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Speaker 2: raising kids, the days are long, the years fly by.

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Speaker 2: In the NFL, picking the winners each week is hard,

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Speaker 1: Way out totally. Look at Cincinnati's a good example today

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Speaker 1: Zach Taylor fired the defensive coordinator who, like a couple

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Speaker 1: And he's probably still gonna lose out on that argument,

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Speaker 1: it's easier now to play quarterback than ever. It's definitely

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Speaker 2: Colin, Yeah, yeah, no, I covered the Buccaneers when I

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Speaker 2: for years now. He's the GM. They've always had good players.

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Speaker 2: Brady hands it off to Baker Mayfield, good quarterback play.

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Speaker 2: And Todd Bowles is not you know, he's not popular.

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Speaker 2: You know he's on that sideline. He's very quiet, doesn't

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Speaker 2: an excellent effort from him. I mean that team went

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Speaker 2: and I are getting at is, I don't think you're

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Speaker 1: Well that's why the Coults are a good example. Jim

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Speaker 2: So let's look at the Chargers are two and a

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Speaker 2: it out of the park. I'm you know, I always

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Speaker 2: say that the Steelers and the Packers, two small market teams.

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Speaker 2: One thirty years ago said we're going to be about offense, coaches, quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: We're gonna draft defense in the first round, but we're

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Speaker 2: gonna be about drafting and developing offense, and we're never

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Speaker 2: gonna have battle lines. The Steelers since Chuck Nole, have

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Speaker 2: decided we're mostly going to be about defense. Even when

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Speaker 2: they had Big Ben, they were a physical, tough team,

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Speaker 2: like he was a physical, tough quarterback. And they both

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Speaker 2: have like, you know, a lot of Super Bowls. But

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Speaker 2: doesn't it feel over like doesn't it feel since Big

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Speaker 2: Ben got out of his prime about like eight years ago,

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Speaker 2: ten years ago? They they don't beat good teams. When

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Speaker 2: is the last Steeler playoff win over a star quarterback?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can't think of one in a decade.

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Speaker 1: Well, they haven't won a playoff games. It's twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. To me, the fix is pretty easy.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin, I've been I said this last year looked

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Speaker 1: kind of foolish halfway through the year, but it's come

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Speaker 1: back to prove right that it's just time. Like Mike

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Speaker 1: tom he'd be awesome on TV. All these openings would

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Speaker 1: die to have by Tom. Why not go to the Bears?

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Speaker 1: Trade him to the Bears. Unlike some of these other

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Speaker 1: situations that got where you don't need to give a

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Speaker 1: first round pick. It's like the Bears would have to

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Speaker 1: get there maybe a two and a three or somehow

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Speaker 1: staggered over the course of a couple of years. Mike

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Speaker 1: Tomlin gets a fresh start, he gets a young quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and the Steelers can use their infrastructure of their organization,

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Speaker 1: go hire Ben Johnson and be equipped to handle him.

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Speaker 1: Get his idea with a quarterback. Changed the offense because

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Speaker 1: this league you said it forever about Belichick. The league

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Speaker 1: changed and it's still longer about super tough. Obviously you've

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Speaker 1: got to have a good defense, but like if that's

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Speaker 1: your number one goal, like you're probably not gonna win

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Speaker 1: many Super Bowls. Hell, they can't win a playoff game.

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Speaker 1: They can't win a playoff game. And now at one

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Speaker 1: point in time they were ten and three and now

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Speaker 1: wild Card weekend they're a ten point underdog against the

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Speaker 1: Ravens that they know better than anybody.

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Speaker 2: That was this week's Monday Night Foodball, brought to you

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Speaker 2: Now for game day, I do think it's a tough

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Speaker 2: spot for the Broncos. I think their defense keeps them

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Speaker 2: in it against the Bills. Usually if it's harsh weather,

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Speaker 2: it helps the underdog because it muddies the game for everybody.

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Speaker 2: But I do think the Bills win by about ten points.

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Speaker 2: I could see twenty eight, twenty thirty, twenty. Do you

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Speaker 2: see it differently?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to see a rookie quarterback long trip

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Speaker 1: at Buffalo. I kind of I like Buffalo handling them

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Speaker 1: pretty well. This is a tough spot. This is raging success, right.

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Speaker 2: How about this? I want to throw something at you.

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Speaker 2: So I have Sean Payton's a friend, and you know,

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Speaker 2: one of the reasons in corporate America, it's hard to

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Speaker 2: get a lot of stuff done because you have, you know,

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Speaker 2: the HR person here, and there's certain things you can't say.

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Speaker 2: But in pro football, you know you can call out

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Speaker 2: another employee and be cost and abrasive. And you know

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Speaker 2: that's why in the NFL it's just a different ballgame.

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Speaker 2: And so Sean Payton comes in. He never once says

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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson and I are the future. Very early, it's like,

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Speaker 2: this office is embarrassing. You can't have a personal office.

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Speaker 2: He can't figure out the plays, he can't read a defense.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he goes after him. There's never a moment.

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Speaker 2: The whole experience is uncomfortable. It's all discomfort. You couldn't

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Speaker 2: do that in corporate America. You'd have to let somebody

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Speaker 2: go buy him out. You couldn't say the things he said,

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Speaker 2: and it's one you get sued. One of the things

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Speaker 2: that's great about the NFL, and the reason you can

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Speaker 2: turn around companies like the Chargers and the Broncos overnight,

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Speaker 2: is because you can be harsh and punitive and intense

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Speaker 2: and caustic. And people were giving Sean pate. Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 2: was pushing back on the Nat Hackett comment. Sean Payton

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Speaker 2: was right onfing everything. He was right on everything is

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Speaker 2: that bo Nix is better than Russell Wilson. And Nat

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Speaker 2: Hackett did not know what he was doing, and it's

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Speaker 2: why the NFL works. The tech's got a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a feel like this. You can just rip another

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Speaker 2: you know, it's competitive. You just go after people, and

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Speaker 2: the NFL allows you to be incredibly harsh, blunt and hurtful.

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Speaker 2: But you can't turn around a corporation being precious and

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Speaker 2: completely thoughtful. You got to get certain people out of

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Speaker 2: the building. And as I go into this game, if

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Speaker 2: the Chargers, if the Broncos don't win, my takeaway is

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Speaker 2: this has been any team losing in the first round,

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Speaker 2: Washington and Denver, you'd have to tip your cat and say, say, guys,

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Speaker 2: well done, fantastic year.

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Speaker 1: Well, Dan and Sean have definitely different personalities, don't those

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Speaker 1: two organizations parallel themselves. They got I mean, Denver had

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Speaker 1: a famous historic Hall of Fame level owner but was

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Speaker 1: obviously really sick, his daughters were running it was in

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Speaker 1: shambles that they were in a bad spot, and Washington

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Speaker 1: has one of the worst owners we've ever seen in

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Speaker 1: pro sports. They both get fresh ownership with lots of

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Speaker 1: money and they went out. What is the first thing

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Speaker 1: that Washington does. They hire Adam Peters, who'd been the

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Speaker 1: best GM prospect in five years and says, here, you

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Speaker 1: run it right. What did the Walton family do after

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Speaker 1: attempting the Rogers thing at fails? Wasn't all their fault?

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Speaker 1: Like they kind of came in. Sean Payton, here is

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Speaker 1: a ninetye hundred million dollars You do it? And what

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Speaker 1: else do you need? Open checkbook? Look at the two franchises,

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Speaker 1: and obviously both draft young quarterbacks that are equipped to

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Speaker 1: handle that. Why because Adam Peters has worked for Belichick,

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Speaker 1: Lway and John Lynch and Dan Quinn has a lot,

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Speaker 1: a lot of experience. Sean Payton's been doing this for

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Speaker 1: twenty five thirty years and both of them are the

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Speaker 1: by far, the best two spots for the guy to

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Speaker 1: go into. Look at Pennis. I like Pennix more than

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Speaker 1: most of my scouting buddies. He goes in Atlanta kind

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Speaker 1: of a shit show. It's like you got Cousins, even

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Speaker 1: though Cousin's a great guy. It's the weird spot for

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Speaker 1: a young quarterback. A ton of pressures, like everyone Atlanta's

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Speaker 1: gonna win. Then Cousins starts falling apart. Then they insert

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Speaker 1: him in late on a prayer, which is unfair. He

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Speaker 1: gets none of the reps and then they end up

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Speaker 1: missing the playoffs. Now they win eight games and hell,

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Speaker 1: the last game of the season, Bryce Young looks better

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Speaker 1: than Pennix. It's like, that's just not a way to operate.

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Speaker 1: And some of these people have no clue what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: And then you watch Washington and you watch Denver, it's like,

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Speaker 1: these people just know what they're doing. This leads hard enough.

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Speaker 1: It's gotta be one of the most competitive industries in America. Finance.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a short list, so it's hard enough

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Speaker 1: even if you know what you're doing. But you to

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Speaker 1: put yourself in a situation when you know what you're

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Speaker 1: doing has such an advantage over all. These teams that

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Speaker 1: are just feel like they're kind of peeing in the win.

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Speaker 2: Okay, my favorite bet of the weekend is the Eagles

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Speaker 2: minus four and a half against Green Bay. Jordan Loves

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Speaker 2: hurt Christian Watson's out, I think, I think, and I

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Speaker 2: like Jordan Love a lot. I think his inconsistency is

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Speaker 2: why Matt Lafleur in this offseason went and got Josh Jacobs.

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Speaker 2: I think they were signaling, you know, it was a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a bat signal. It was We're gonna

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Speaker 2: be a power run team that I don't think Jordan

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Speaker 2: Love should be throwing at thirty six times a game.

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Speaker 2: I think it should be closer to twenty eight times

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Speaker 2: a game. And I think they're very effective. But I

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Speaker 2: think teams tell you what they think of their quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: And Matt Lafleur was telling you that Jordan can be

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Speaker 2: erratic and a bit reckless. He's always been more far

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Speaker 2: than Aaron Rodgers. I think this is a tough spot

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Speaker 2: for him. I think Watson takes the lid off the defense.

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Speaker 2: I think losing him makes it easier for this team

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Speaker 2: to be defended. And I like Philadelphia kind of rolling

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Speaker 2: Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: Did you see the headline that Jalen Hurts is still

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Speaker 1: in concussion protocol. I mean we're we're fifteen to twenty

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Speaker 1: days removed from that concussion. That to me is a

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Speaker 1: little concerning. Now could the Eagles at home with Kenny

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Speaker 1: if they had to do? I mean, we still got six

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Speaker 1: seven days from recording this to when they play, But

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Speaker 1: you gotta start Kenny, pickt or Tanner McKee like, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: you can lose a playoff game. But like you said,

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Speaker 1: the Packers have not looked that good down the stretch

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Speaker 1: at all. And Christian Watson, I think they became very

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Speaker 1: dependent on him last year because he looked like this

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Speaker 1: budding superstar injuries and then it looks like he's got

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Speaker 1: a torn acl It sucks to lose him, but maybe

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Speaker 1: big picture of this offseason, they can kind of pivot

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Speaker 1: find another guy to fill that role if Jalen hurts. Though,

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Speaker 1: like this, we talk about this in the NFL. It's

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Speaker 1: very coach and quarterback dependent. If your quarterback can't play

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Speaker 1: in a game and you got to go to a backup,

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Speaker 1: like you could lose to the Packers at home. So

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Speaker 1: that is something. If he's clears tomorrow or the next day,

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Speaker 1: feel fine, but that's something. Remember a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: was it Carson Wentz got a concussion in a playoff game?

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Speaker 1: You just these playoff games. Somehow Mahomes has like ankles

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Speaker 1: like he's a Lebron James. It can go the other way.

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Speaker 1: You know, ten minutes later he's back on the field.

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Speaker 1: But sometimes in these playoff games, your heart drops when

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Speaker 1: when the quarterback it's injured. In Hell, I would imagine

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia because the concussion protocol and like some other injuries,

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Speaker 1: is a little out of your control. It's something that

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Speaker 1: just you know, it's just I don't know. Now, their

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Speaker 1: roster's so good. I mean, they could just run the

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Speaker 1: ball and just overwhelm me.

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Speaker 2: I thought Jalen Hurts about three weeks ago played the

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Speaker 2: best game I've seen him play as a pro. I

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Speaker 2: don't know where statistically it was when Jalen Hurts is

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Speaker 2: running and he's rolling and he's got the pass run option.

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Speaker 2: I think they're so hard to defend because the offensive

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Speaker 2: line in Barkley, they could just play football in between

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Speaker 2: the tackles and never run outside. And then when they

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Speaker 2: add that component, and then it's Aj Brown over the top.

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Speaker 2: I know everybody likes Kansas City to win another Super Bowl,

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Speaker 2: but when Philadelphia is healthy and when the Lions are healthy,

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Speaker 2: those rosters just look better than everybody. And that Philadelphia

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Speaker 2: offense again, they could just be eight between the tackle

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Speaker 2: power offense and be very effective when everything's working. I

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Speaker 2: think the drop off Jalen Hurts to backups is substantial. Now, again,

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Speaker 2: it depends on who you're playing, but we'll keep our

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Speaker 2: eye on that.

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Speaker 1: I would say this, I would say health there's five

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Speaker 1: teams that can win the Super Bowl. Lions, Eagles, Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: Ravensville's Yeah agreement there. Yes, I have a hard time

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Speaker 1: seeing the Rams have just kind of looked I don't

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Speaker 1: even count the last game, but have not played well

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Speaker 1: down the stretch. The Bucks I just don't think have

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Speaker 1: enough on a personnel standpoint. And our guy Sam Darnold

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Speaker 1: came back to Earth a little bit the other night.

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Speaker 2: com and discover a legend in a bottle Today, Bucks Commanders,

640
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Speaker 2: I don't have a strong feel for I want to

641
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: go to Rams at hosting Minnesota. So I like the

642
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: Minnesota matchup because I think people now are selling because

643
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: it was such a standalone game and had so many

644
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: viewers that people saw Donald and everybody is selling Donald Stock.

645
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: When I thought it was like it felt like a

646
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: playoff game. It was a precursor. It was like the

647
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: reason that restaurants have soft openings is you're not quite

648
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: ready for the speed of the big opening. And I

649
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,959
Speaker 2: don't think Sam was quite ready for at Detroit, biggest

650
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: game in five decades, a better roster, a big pass rush.

651
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: I think Minnesota the Rams have really struggled to put

652
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 2: consistent hams of football together. Offensively, they're very Puka Nikua dependent.

653
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup now is more of a blocker. We've talked

654
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: about this. If they can't engineer a running game to start,

655
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: they just become It's Stafford and Pooka. That's pretty much it.

656
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: I think the Vikings bounce back. I think their receiving

657
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: core is a real problem for the Rams. Secondary. Rams

658
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: will draft a quarterback second or third pick. They'll take

659
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: a corner number one. You have a strong feeling about

660
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: that game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would lean, you know, I think

662
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: the Rams. Darnold starts seeing ghosts a little bit the

663
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: other night. Now granted they were blitzing him every single play,

664
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: but it really got to him. And the Rams have

665
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: better personnel than what the Lions were just rolling out.

666
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: Still pretty injured at least upfront, and if you can

667
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: get pressure on Sam. Here's the thing. Their left tackle

668
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: towards ACL a while back, so they still have some

669
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: question marks up front. Now, Sam, why we were so

670
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: high on him, He was moving around and making plays.

671
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: If he can shake that and be a goldfish and

672
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: forget about that game and get back to what he's

673
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: been most of the season, I'm with you, I like Minnesota,

674
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: But if any of that Lingers, is there a player

675
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: right now in the NFL with just more on the line.

676
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: It felt like in this game and last game. I

677
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: mean we're talking, we're craking one hundred and fifty million dollars,

678
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: and you play another game like that, all of a sudden,

679
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, maybe we'll franchise you. I think that's

680
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: the best part about the NFL, how fluid it is,

681
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: how fast it moves. Yeah, they do have at the

682
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: end of they do have this other quarterback sitting there.

683
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,479
Speaker 1: Whether we think it's crazy or not, like he does

684
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: exist on their roster, and I would imagine most people

685
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: would say JJ McCarthy might be the number one pick

686
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: in this draft. We've said about Drake May, but there's

687
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: he definitely would be a top five pick in this draft.

688
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: Who you know, We'll see how it plays out. So

689
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: if you have another game where you're just looking atrocious

690
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: and overthrowing guys like that, that's how fast things change,

691
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: especially when I don't have any equity with you. We

692
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: saw it with Cousins. He had no equity. He just

693
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: showed up. No, not saying they don't you know, they

694
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 1: really like Sam clearly, but you lose the game against

695
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 1: me the number one see, then you lose a playoff

696
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: game in the first round. We all know these guys,

697
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: I mean that they could. We saw how fast Sean

698
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: McVay turned on Jared Goff and they had been working

699
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: together for years. So this league, this league, when you're

700
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: talking especially about the amount of money you're talking at

701
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: the quarterback position, it can be pretty cutthroat if you

702
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: don't produce. So I I feel like everyone's gonna kind

703
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: of overlean Minnesota. That was one off. I don't know.

704
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: I think Sean McVay what usually plays in the playff coaching, Well,

705
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: I would take Sean over Kevin O'Connell, even though I

706
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: like Kevin O'Connell, and I just think that they've been there,

707
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: done that. You know, there's a lot of pressure on

708
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: Sam going home Monday night football, that's a pretty intense

709
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Speaker 1: environmentconin Yeah.

710
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: I mean, I thought last night Sam was overwhelmed. I

711
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: thought he missed on two potential touchdowns. He was high,

712
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: a lot of energy, a lot of juice, and it

713
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 2: kind of overwhelmed him. You know, I defended him today.

714
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: I said, you know, listen, last year Week eighteen, he

715
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: was starting for the Niners. Like he went from bust

716
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: to starting for the Niners to the biggest game in

717
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: the history of Detroit Lions football in my adult life.

718
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Speaker 2: So I like Minnesota, but you're not the first person

719
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 2: Jason McIntyre really likes the Rams. This week, I want

720
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: to talk about Notre Dame versus Penn State and Ohio

721
00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: State versus Texas. So Ohio State Texas. We'll probably get

722
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 2: the bigger rating because of Buckeye's longhorns. But I was

723
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: thinking about this the other day. Is that Notre Dame.

724
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 2: I think Marcus Freeman was on my show, and I'm

725
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 2: not sure if he said it then or in the

726
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 2: preamble before he was on my show. They haven't lost

727
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: anybody in the transfer portal, and I was thinking about this, John,

728
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 2: the advantage Notre Dame has on the rest of the

729
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: country in this transfer portal. So they have a young

730
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: A plus plus recruiter and Marcus Freeman that in these

731
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 2: days that really helps a lot of these Brian Kelly's.

732
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: I was talking to a coach about Brian Kelly. I said,

733
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: what's wrong with LSU And the coach said, Brian Kelly

734
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 2: was about ready to retire in Notre Dame. He took

735
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: that job for the money. He didn't want to put

736
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 2: the time in. Their recruiting's gone down. Brian is on

737
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 2: the back nine. He's probably on the seventeenth hole. He

738
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: thought he could go down there and make it work

739
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: and win a Natty. But the truth is he was

740
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: worn out at Notre Dame and then somebody threw him

741
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 2: a pile of money that he never thought he would make.

742
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: But one of the things about this time, the transfer

743
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: portal of the nil old guys like saban Or in

744
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: basketball even easier in basketball. Jay Wright, older guy, it's

745
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: too much. Jim Lahronega, the coach, the Miami Hurricanes basketball coach,

746
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 2: like it's overwhelming. So if you have a young coach

747
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,959
Speaker 2: a Ryan Day Amarcus Freeman. You have a young coach

748
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: with a ton of energy. Huge advantage. Secondly, Notre Dame

749
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 2: doesn't lose guys to the portal because the players that

750
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: go to Notre Dame are going there for the academic

751
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 2: experience and the football experience. So it is the one

752
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: football power in the country beyond Stanford and Northwestern, that

753
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 2: consistently has bigger revenue, has a better TV package, and

754
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: historically has paid more for coaches. And I look at

755
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: Notre Dame in Penn State and I think this could

756
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: be a really interesting ten year run for Notre Dame.

757
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 2: You watch the SEC this year, John, it was very

758
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: clear they just didn't look as dominant. I mean, it's

759
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: Notre Dame matched up with Georgia and you mean to me,

760
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: Ohio State looks like the most talented team in the country.

761
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: And Michigan was the best team last year. And if

762
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 2: Ohio State wins this year or Notre Dame, it's back

763
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: to back Northern teams winning. And the advantage Notre Dame

764
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 2: has is they may be the one team in the

765
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 2: transfer portal era, because what is the transfer portal creating?

766
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: John Lincoln Riley and Brian Kelly know this chemistry issues.

767
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 2: These guys don't grow up together. It's just got ole

768
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 2: miss We'll go by eight great players, twelve great players

769
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 2: Notre Dame. If Notre Dame beats Penn State, I just

770
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about this. They may have a cultural

771
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 2: edge on the rest of college football that they do

772
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 2: recruit elite players, but they don't you'll be able to

773
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 2: have a more formidable cohesion and chemistry with your roster

774
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: on an annual basis.

775
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: Well, one thing Notre Dame a huge advantage they have.

776
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: And we had a good family friend growing up who

777
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: was a very successful businessman who had played at Notre

778
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: Dame in the sixties. And they get these golf tournaments

779
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: together all over the country because they're all their people,

780
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: you know, like a Stanford or a usc go work

781
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: New York, La Florida. They have a lot of money

782
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: behind that program. You know, when Greg Byrne at Alabama

783
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: comes out with a tweet begging fans for money, you

784
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: know who's not gonna have to do that. Notre Dame.

785
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, I think nil

786
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: is kind of a stupid Like that term feels a

787
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: little outdated. You're just you're just buying the player. I'm

788
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: paying them a salary to play for me. And if

789
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: Notre Dame true and Marcus Freeman you win a couple

790
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: of playoff games, all of a sudden, people are gonna

791
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: like that. They will not have a problem cutting huge checks.

792
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I see it here with Kenny Dillingham on

793
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: the local news begging for money. It's hard. I can't

794
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: even imagine being in that situation. Marcus Freeman will never

795
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: have to beg for checks as long as he's winning.

796
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: And I think that is a huge advantage. I think

797
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: we see it with some of these Southern teams. That

798
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: is a disadvantage for Alabama. That is the advantage for LSU.

799
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: It's not you know, Texas text A and M not

800
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: a disadvantage because they have huge, huge Arkansas sneaking not

801
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: a disadvantage. He don't have the right coach. I think

802
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: Notre Dame if they can figure out how to balance

803
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: the academic requirements. But Northwestern's down, Stanford's down. Who are

804
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: they really competing against for that top? You know, Andrew Luck,

805
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: David di Castro, there are only so many of them.

806
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: Will they got the market cornered and to me, financially,

807
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: they have an unlimited part of the reason I think

808
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: Stanford hired Andrew Luck obviously he kind of missed it

809
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: and wanted the juice. But when Andrew Luck calls the

810
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: guy worth one hundred million dollars is to Stanford alone,

811
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: that guy will call him back. You know, if if

812
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: Troy Taylor the football coach, had called him, he might not.

813
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: And I think Marcus Freeman, now with the momentum going

814
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: and people start getting the taste, I think they've already

815
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: had this success where their budget is gonna be as

816
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: high as anyone because they have the funds. I mean,

817
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: it's impossible to not work in business around You're in

818
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. How many Notre Dame people do you hear

819
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: of that just have unlimited amount of money and want

820
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: to be part of the program. It's a really that university.

821
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: If you went there, means a lot to these people.

822
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: And I think the one thing that they will always

823
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: fight against is it is hard to get certain positions

824
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: in there, like they never really have great wide receivers

825
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: right or top ten corners. Sometimes academically you got to

826
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,959
Speaker 1: push and that's something the more success Marcus Freeman has

827
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 1: he can push back, but I think they have looked defensively.

828
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: Where fran Kelly had good teams, this team looks much

829
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: more like an SEC Ohio State Texas speed which like

830
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: holy shit.

831
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 2: But when I watched Notre Dame Georgia and I watched

832
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 2: Notre Dame's corners, they were not getting beat down the field.

833
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: I felt like Notre Dame, you could switch jerseys. I

834
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: couldn't tell. I thought Notre Dame looked great, And I

835
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: do think you know, they're called collectives. I think I

836
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: think kind of the issue you're finding with this stuff

837
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: is that there's a chemistry problem. So you bring in

838
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: play they get paid, and then guys that are already

839
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 2: there don't get paid as much. And I think Notre

840
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 2: Dame's edges. You don't go to Notre Dame to get

841
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 2: a paycheck, you go for a legacy. I mean, that's

842
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: one of the reasons Duke Basketball and Mike Skrzhewski beat

843
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: John Calipari in Kentucky and Calipari so predictably through a

844
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 2: hissy fit, is that you know it was this one

845
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: and done culture, and then Shazhewski started selling We're not

846
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: about one and done. You're a blue devil for life.

847
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: This is more than basketball. And they started taking some

848
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 2: of those top players from Calipari, and Calipari is like, hey,

849
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: you know this this thing about selling for life, and

850
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: it's like John, you're a salesman. And and when John

851
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: Paul Calipari started saying, hey, I'm not here to win

852
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: in March, it's like, bro, it's over. Like, yes, you're hard,

853
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 2: but the point is Duke, like Notre Dame sold, you're

854
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: a Duchy for life. Our business connections for life will

855
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 2: set you up. Kentucky's not going to sell that. LSU

856
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: probably doesn't have that, but Notre Dame and Duke do well.

857
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: Think about this. I saw someone tweet I don't know

858
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: the exact number, is like the amount of former NFL

859
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: players kids that are at Notre Dame now. Some of

860
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: them like Bryan Young played at Notre Dame. His son Bryce,

861
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: who I would bet on number thirty, the six foot

862
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: seven pass rusher who's a backup right now, who's a

863
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: true freshman being a future top ten pick in a

864
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: couple of years. But if you're a former player and

865
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: these guys now, guys that are fifty to fifty five

866
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: years old. A lot of their children are blue chip recruits.

867
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 1: If you play in the NFL long enough, you see

868
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: how cutthroat it can be, how fast everything can end.

869
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: You actually have a different perspective of just funnel to

870
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: the best college. You know for football, Well, I want

871
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: to go the best. It was a huge point of

872
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: difference for Stanford for a long time. We can take

873
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: you to the NFL, but we can also send you

874
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: to Wall Street or Silicon Valley where you can probably

875
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 1: end up making more money. So I think Notre Dame

876
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: has that double edge, you know. I think Ohio State

877
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: Mission again have always kind of had that because they've

878
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: had you know, it's a really really good school and

879
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: obviously they take football really seriously. But I think Marcus

880
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: Freeman the recruiting standpoint, they feel just much faster than

881
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: they did under the Brian Kelly. And now you watch

882
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: totally agree at LSU, You're like, maybe he doesn't have

883
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: a great feel Like one thing, Saban was the lead

884
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: at he could just identify a guy future top ten pick.

885
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: I mean, he was the best at it. And I

886
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: think Kirby clearly followed Saban from that, and they're great

887
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: at that but mostly like Ohio State at this point

888
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: in time, kind of recruits itself and they have they

889
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: can get anyone they want in the school whatever. Marcus

890
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: Freeman's figuring out that speed they had on defense against Georgia. Yeah,

891
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: these are mirror images of each other. Yes, And that's

892
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: where Brian Kelly used to get overwhelmed. Remember the speed

893
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: and the physicality. It's like, yeah, that's just a different

894
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 1: level of pace.

895
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: I also think the SCC has had the best and

896
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: the most NFL bodies for twenty years. I think more

897
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: than any conference in college football. They're getting raided and

898
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: as you pointed out earlier, SEC teams do not have

899
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: many times the level of boosters. I mean, I think

900
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: the biggest Alabama booster I could be wrong is like

901
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: Bear Bryant's son. I mean, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame.

902
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: They just have certain Penn State have certain advantages. So

903
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: I think when I watched SEC football this year, it

904
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 2: just did not look as dominant, And I thought Notre

905
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: Dame's defense and Ohio State's offense and Michigan's O line

906
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 2: and D line last year looked better. My eye test,

907
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: is it shocking that Sark.

908
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: I mean, what an advantage he has because forever it's

909
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: like house Texas going to be able to go into

910
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: the SEC. Well they will because they have a huge

911
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: bank account that's bigger than everyone else. Yeah, and they

912
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: came right in SEC championship. Who's gonna pick next year?

913
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: Sark's got to be a top one or two, you know,

914
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: in terms of the preseason ranking in the SEC. For

915
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: the foreseeable future. He has a massive advantage even just

916
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: over Alabama and LSU. He's gonna lap them yeap.

917
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: So Ohio State faces Texas, This game to me is fascinating.

918
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 2: So I like Ohio State Texas. I could never wrap

919
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: my arms around them. I struggle sometimes for them to

920
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: get three straight good offensive series. I think they're hit

921
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 2: and miss. They're very much a splash offense. They need

922
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 2: big plays and they hit on them. I mean against

923
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 2: Arizona State, back into a corner, they hit on a

924
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 2: couple of big plays late. Who's facing more pressure, Ryan

925
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: Day or Sark? So think about this. You know, Ohio

926
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: State backed up the brinks truck twenty million dollars for

927
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 2: this team. They look esthetically like the best team, and

928
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: they have rebounded from that Michigan loss with two dominating wins.

929
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 2: But again again, if they lose to Texas, people are

930
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: going to say, when's the last time you beat Michigan.

931
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 2: That's probably the worst loss in our program in twenty years.

932
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 2: If Sark doesn't win a Natty, it'll probably be because

933
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: we feel like his roster underachieved, because I think going

934
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,720
Speaker 2: into the season many felt that was the best roster.

935
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 2: To you, who's the pressure on this game? Is fascinating?

936
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: Ryan Day or Sark? Who's gonna get more shit when

937
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: they lose this game?

938
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even think it's closed. I think it's

939
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: Ryan Day. I mean Sark, Texas was dead and they're

940
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: going back to back years in the semi finals and

941
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: just he has the thing on an upward trajectory. He

942
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: just had him in the SEC Championship year one. Ryan

943
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: Day took over. You know, Uh, just a program that

944
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: was rolling right full of NFL guys and he just

945
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: hasn't quite got there now. The way they've looked the

946
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: last two weeks, I don't see how they would not

947
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: win the NACTUAL Championship if they can play like that

948
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: two more times. But I think there's still a ton

949
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: of pressure on Ryan Day. Now, if you're betting on this,

950
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: you'd have to pick Ohio State to win it all.

951
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: But I listen, Texas's roster isn't that much different than

952
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: Ohio State. And unless Will Howard can just keep playing,

953
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: is he just gonna keep playing like Peyton Manning in

954
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: his prime, Because if he does, then they're gonna beat everybody.

955
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: But if he has a bad game, Texas is really

956
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: good on defense. You know it took Skataboo having one

957
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: of the crazier halfs you've ever like. Eventually, Ohio State

958
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: is just gonna play in a tighter game. I mean

959
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: they have too just back to back absolute blowouts. What

960
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: do they look like when they get in a little

961
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: tighter game, Because we just saw him in a tight

962
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: game against Michigan, they kind of folded and whatever Ryan

963
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: Day has done and it was kind of easy, right,

964
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: they had really got embarrassed. All those guys are returned,

965
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: they got an extra week off and they came out

966
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: and they showed out. But I do think one of

967
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: these games, one of these last two games, I like

968
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: Penn State against Notre Dame. I think Penn State is

969
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: just a little more talented or at least equal to

970
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. But I like their quarterback more, at least

971
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: the way, you know, from a throwing standpoint, and I

972
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: think Penn State could beat him, and I think Texas,

973
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 1: you know, in theory, could beat them. I'm picking Ohio State,

974
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: but if I State wins the national championship, you beat Texas,

975
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: then you beat Penn State or Notre Dame. Like that's

976
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: that'd be really impressive, and then haters like me wouldn't

977
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: be able to say anything about writing I always I

978
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: already think Sark, like Sark's already kind of proven, like

979
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 1: he's really good. Back to back semi finals, got arch Manning,

980
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: got a team just loaded with guys that aren't even

981
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: drafted eligible. I can't even imagine what they were transfer

982
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: portal class is gonna look like whenever the season ends,

983
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: like they're not going anywhere. I think this year was

984
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: all about Ryan Day, the cash they had spent on

985
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: the team. He got Chip Kelly makes three two and

986
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: a half three million dollars a year. I think there

987
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: was a lot of pressure on this individual team.

988
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, And I also think Sark, if he

989
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: got heat, I think he's viewed in NFL circles as

990
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 2: capable of coaching at that league. You know, for years

991
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly sniffed around at Notre Dame for the NFL,

992
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: and I was told by an NFL GM that people

993
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 2: thought he was a college coach, a really good college coach.

994
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 2: Sark is viewed by NFL guys as like if Sark

995
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 2: said tomorrow he loses to Ohio State and says I

996
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 2: want the Chicago Bears job, he'd be a top three

997
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 2: candidate immediately. I think the NFL. I mean, he was

998
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: a coordinator in the NFL and a very good one.

999
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: So I think I think Sark he.

1000
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: Works, doesn't it It just Sark Austin. It just feels like

1001
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,479
Speaker 1: a pretty seamless fit right now. Yeah.

1002
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: I mean he's he's He's got a big presence, and

1003
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 2: I think Sark is one of those guys people have

1004
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: criticisms for him, but if in any industry, if you

1005
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: keep getting hired by really smart people, I mean, Washington's

1006
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 2: a good program, US He's a good program. Texas is

1007
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 2: a good program. He's been the head coaching job. Nick

1008
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 2: Saban knows what he's doing, you know, like, really smart

1009
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: people and good programs keep hiring him. You know, it's

1010
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 2: like when Andy Reid got let go by Philadelphia. Forty

1011
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 2: five minutes later, he was on the phone with a

1012
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 2: Hunt family smart pee. Jim Harbaugh is always going to

1013
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: get work. John Harbaugh, he was available, would get work.

1014
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 2: I think Sark's one of those guys that's imminently hirable.

1015
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 2: I think his teams can be a little loose and

1016
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 2: lack a little bit of an identity, you know, the

1017
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: old thing the Patriots used to say, We're not a

1018
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 2: collection of players, We're a team. Sometimes sark teams can

1019
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: feel a little bit like a collection of a handful

1020
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: of really good players, not a team. And it's not

1021
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 2: I know he's a good coach. I know he's a

1022
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,240
Speaker 2: great recruiter. But his teams can be a little loose

1023
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 2: for my taste sometimes, Like I think they throw too

1024
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 2: many jump balls up the sidelines. Quin Yours too often

1025
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 2: just throws it up for grabs. It drives me nuts.

1026
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 2: I hate that low percentage fades or corners. But I

1027
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 2: think I think I like Ohio State and Notre Dame.

1028
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 2: But I will say about Penn State Abduall Carter that

1029
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 2: rush end. If he's healthy, John, if he got drafted

1030
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 2: number one. I don't think it's crazy. I think he's

1031
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 2: so good.

1032
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 1: Don't They have a big advantage with the game getting delayed.

1033
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: They played, you know, basically two days before Notre Dame.

1034
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 1: Notre Dame then had to travel home. I think Penn

1035
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: States looked really good. I like Penn State in that

1036
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: game for sure.

1037
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 2: I don't think it's crazy. They've got They've got four

1038
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 2: or five elite players. You know, James Franklin gets some

1039
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: shit because he can't beat the good teams. But you know,

1040
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: I would point out to you know, if you look

1041
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 2: at his record against top ten teams, Yeah, that was

1042
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: Georgia and LSU when they ruled college football. He was

1043
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: in Vandy and it was Alabama Georgia. So he was

1044
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 2: struggling at Vandy and now he's struggling with Ohio State

1045
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 2: and Michigan with Hardbaugh. It's like, guys, you have to

1046
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: contextualize James franklin struggles against top ten teams. It's been

1047
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh Ryan Day. And when he was down at Vandy,

1048
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 2: he was facing you know, LSU teams and Nick Saban

1049
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: teams and the beginning of Georgia's teams.

1050
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: If he beats Notre Dame and Ohio State takes advantage

1051
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 1: of and you know, beats Texas. It is a pretty

1052
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 1: good opportunity given how well he knows. Ohio State plays

1053
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: him every year, played him, I mean the best they've

1054
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: ever played him. This year had a very good chance,

1055
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: obviously to tie the game at the goal line, and

1056
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: they ran it right up the middle. Their team physically

1057
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: given their quarterback, Like to me, the best NFL quarterback

1058
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: prospect playing right now is Drew Aller, And one advantage

1059
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: they have is they you know, these bowl games are

1060
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: not outside in frigid temperatures, and Tyler Warren has been dominant.

1061
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: The running back's been dominant. The question is a dual

1062
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Speaker 1: carter and the arm injury. You know in college they

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Speaker 1: don't really have to talk about what the status is.

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Speaker 1: But if he's healthy, how good does their front seven look.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they are so physical, they got dbs, They

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Speaker 1: are very very Both these two teams, you could argue

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Speaker 1: all four someone's gonna get injured in these games. It's

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Speaker 1: just like the NFL playoffs, and if you're the winning

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Speaker 1: team and one of your impact players, that could be

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Speaker 1: a huge problem. Chip Kelly mentioned this at the start

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Speaker 1: of the playoffs. He's like, no one's really talking about this.

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Speaker 1: The attrition of guys aren't used to playing this many games,

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Speaker 1: and these are better teams. These are just more It's

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Speaker 1: usually just one Bowl game. Maybe the final four was two.

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Speaker 1: Now you're playing Ohio State would play four, Penn State

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Speaker 1: would play four, Texas would play four. That's a lot

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Speaker 1: of games on the bodies of twenty year olds, even

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Speaker 1: if they are future top ten, top twenty picks.

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Speaker 2: John Middlecoff, former NFL scout, that was a good hour.

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Speaker 2: Put together almost an hour of good stuff. We head

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Speaker 2: to the playoffs. John is always buddy. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait. Happy birthday.

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Speaker 2: Thanks man the volume