1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: I don't even know why this is a question. Of 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: course he's going to be in the candidacy for an MVP, 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: and of course he's going to be right there with Judge, 4 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: and of course it's a conversation. 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 2: That's the inside scoop with FTC andior insider Ken Rosenthal. Ken, 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: good to see you, and I liked the top of 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 2: Fair Territory the other day where you talked about the 8 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: MEH teams. Eh, the MEH teams. So I'm going to 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: bring one of them up because you also wrote about them, 10 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,159 Speaker 2: I think two notes columns ago. And they're getting some 11 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 2: headlines today with Chase Burns, their first round pick starting 12 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: and making his MLB debut. Where you at on the Reds, 13 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 2: They've been, I think the definition of men so far 14 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 2: this year, just hanging around that five hundred mark. 15 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 3: They have been. 16 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: But this is a team that in my view and 17 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: in the view of some executives, clearly wants to go 18 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: for it and releasing Candelario or dfaing him and then 19 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: bringing up their number one prospect, Chase Burns after thirteen 20 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: minor league starts. He was there second overall pick in 21 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: the draft last year. That signals to me that this 22 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: team really wants to win and they're doing everything possible 23 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: to win. So I would expect while they have been 24 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: met they've been prime in the Med Division, they are 25 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: a team that will be looking to improve at the deadline. 26 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: We have a number of teams and this was kind 27 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: of the point of the segment yesterday that we don't 28 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: really know where they are and we kind of can't 29 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: figure out what they're doing yet because they can't figure 30 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: out what they're doing yet. I don't see the Reds 31 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: in that category. 32 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 4: Now. 33 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: Are they going to go crazy and just trade prospects 34 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: left and right. That's not what they do. But do 35 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: I expect that they're going to do a number of 36 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: different things, or at least a couple of different things. Yeah, 37 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: I do. 38 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 5: Another one of the teams you covered as my hometown 39 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 5: team up here, Seattle, and they had a hot start 40 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 5: and now they're. 41 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 3: Back to being men. 42 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 5: Outside of cal Rawley, what does this team need to 43 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 5: do to actually make a push here and maybe make 44 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 5: the playoff, maybe even win a very winnable division that 45 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 5: is being led by a team that is the Where's 46 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 5: the entire team's hurt? And they're still up five games 47 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 5: what does Seattle need to do to help cal Rawley 48 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 5: scores runs? 49 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: Trevor, In my opinion, they need to go get a 50 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: first baseman, and there are a couple of guys out there, 51 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: Josh Naylor, if the Diamondbacks are willing to move him, 52 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: which they are not just yet, and if he is 53 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: healthy because last night he left the game with the 54 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: shoulder issue. That's one name. Ryan O'Hearn is an even 55 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: better name. This guy's having a breakout year at an 56 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 1: advanced age, and it's great to see he's going to 57 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: be an All Star. It looks like he's a guy 58 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: who could definitely help them. So that is the one 59 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: position where it seems to me that is an obvious 60 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: place to add. And with their pitching, they have to 61 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: do something to boost the offense again. Now They're pitching 62 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: hasn't been quite as good this year, but Gilbert is back. 63 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: Now they're still waiting on Bryce Miller, who knows they are, 64 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: but they've got the top four intact, and from that perspective, 65 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: they've got to go and try to do some things. 66 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 6: Ken can cal Raly beat Aaron Judge in the MVP 67 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 6: because for me, right now, he's. 68 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 3: Got to be talked about. 69 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 6: I know everyone already gave it to Aaron Judge. Isn't 70 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 6: that cal Rowly has thirty one homers. As a catcher 71 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 6: that catches every day, he's gotta at least be in 72 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 6: the voting. I mean, if he continues this, he's going 73 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 6: to be talked about as the all time greatest season 74 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 6: by a catcher that catches every day. 75 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: Hold up, hold up, Ken, before you answer, sorry, I 76 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 2: just I need to clarify something because AJ is giving 77 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: Kyle Riley's home run total slander. It's it's actually thirty 78 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: two home runs. 79 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 6: He has one every minute, so you know one, I'd 80 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 6: be thirty four now. 81 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: Tough to keep up with that. 82 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even know. I don't even know why 83 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: this is a question. Of course, he's going to be 84 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: in the candidacy for an MVP if he continues this, 85 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: and of course he's going to be right there with Judge, 86 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: and of course it's a conversation. I don't know that 87 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: we ever give out MVPs in April or May, or 88 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: even for that matter. We don't give them out until 89 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: at the end of the season September, So depending on 90 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: how the rest of the season goes. He absolutely can 91 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: overtake judge and if he does, he does, and if 92 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: he doesn't, he doesn't. But to me, it's not even 93 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: a question that he is in that conversation. I don't 94 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: even know why people look at it like that. And 95 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of commentary along these lines, Oh 96 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: my gosh, can cal Rawley challenge it? 97 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 7: Yes, hello, thirty two homers, as Scott just said, And 98 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 7: he is playing a position where it's tough to win 99 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 7: an MVP from because it's tough with the responsibilities that 100 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 7: a catcher has. 101 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: It's also tough, as some people have pointed out, in 102 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: this era of wins above replacement, where catchers are not 103 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: necessarily given the credit they deserve. If cal Raley is 104 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: there at the end, then war to me is a 105 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: less significant thing this year. It should not be that 106 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: significant any year. It's a guide post. It's something you 107 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: look at and definitely take into consideration. But there are 108 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: so many variables that go into ca acting in particular, 109 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: that has to be taken into account. 110 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 6: All right, Ken, Since if you have a vote for 111 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 6: the al MVP right now, who you're voted for, one 112 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 6: word and don't say, I won't answer I. 113 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: Won't answer, you know what, because it's June twenty fourth. 114 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 3: Who cares right now? 115 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 6: I'm saying right now, Ken, not two months from now. 116 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: Right now, right now now, rally. But at the same time, again, 117 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: it's an irrelevant question. You're just a former catcher root 118 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: for your old friend here and you know, hey, that's cool. 119 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 4: Respect. 120 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: Hey it's it's first half Awards. We're getting close to 121 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 2: the end of the first half. So even just just 122 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 2: for fun, just for fun, And here's my thing. So 123 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 2: I want to follow up here, Ken, how much do 124 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: you think war factors into most writers looking at players 125 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: these days as a guide versus as an end all. 126 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 2: I know it's been written about quite a bit. I 127 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 2: just want to point out, you know, I think the 128 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: two that that most people will go off of in 129 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 2: the public sphere are fangrafts War and as of iron. 130 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: Judge is at six point one, cal Rally is at 131 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 2: five point three. They're the two leaders. In my mind, 132 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 2: that's so damn close. If you're following war, and then 133 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: on the baseball reference war side, it's actually a little 134 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: more interesting. You got Judge at five point six, Raley's 135 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: at four point four. So again, so close. That you 136 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: should look at other factors in my mind, and then 137 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 2: Jeremy Payne is actually a four point five on the 138 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 2: baseball reference side, right in between those shortstop Astro's team 139 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: that lost a lot of players, that's leading the division. 140 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 2: So your thoughts on all of that. 141 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: War is something that definitely most of the writers look at, 142 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: if not all, and that's fair. It is the one 143 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: stat we have that is all encompassing, but it's not perfect, 144 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: and it's an estimate. It's not a stat like, for instance, 145 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: batting average, which is not an estimate. War is an estimate, 146 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: and when you have differences of say point two point three, 147 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: it's equivalent essentially, So when it comes to a catcher 148 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: or even a shortstop competing with an Aaron Judge in 149 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: right field. Obviously, I know war takes into account defensive 150 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: positioning or positions and where players play, but again, does 151 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: it take into account all the different responsibilities a catcher 152 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: has with a pitching staff. Of course not, so it 153 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: has to be looked at differently, and we as a 154 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: voting group have to be flexible enough in our thinking 155 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: not to make this the war standings every year, and 156 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: I don't know that we have Obviously, the guys who 157 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: are the leaders in war did really well in the 158 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: MVP voting because they're the best players. But it cannot 159 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: be an end all, be all. No stat can be, 160 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: really and that's basically the way I. 161 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 3: Look at it. 162 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 5: A couple interesting things also to keep in mind with 163 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 5: cal Rawlyly, just to touch on him one more time, 164 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,679 Speaker 5: he actually has more stolen bases than Aaron Judge, and he's. 165 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 3: Beating him at his own game. 166 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 5: With the home runs and with the changes of the 167 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 5: strike zone this year, the high strike's kind of gone away, 168 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 5: and if that were there, his war be even up 169 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 5: higher because that was he was elite at getting those 170 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 5: strikes and now they're not really there anymore. 171 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 3: So just one of the points all those things out. 172 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: Crats real talk. 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Terms apply. 191 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: That's money, that's cash App. 192 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 5: I would actually like to shift gears really quickly because 193 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 5: we have a debut for Mets who need starting pitching 194 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 5: a little bit, and Frankie Montas is going to make 195 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 5: his first outing now. His rehab appearances haven't looked the best. 196 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 5: What can we expect out of Frankie? Is he the 197 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 5: solution to some of the Mets problems right now as 198 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 5: their scuffling, Trevor. 199 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: I have no idea because of that thirteen era on 200 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: the rehab assignment. Now, I did Mets Phillies over the 201 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: weekend for Fox, and I asked around with the Mets 202 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: before that game. All right, what is the deal with 203 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: Montas why is he struggling so much? A trip AA, 204 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: And what I was told is that he has had 205 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: a mechanical issue that they've identified. Now he had not 206 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: corrected it. 207 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 2: As of yet. 208 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: It's one of those things, Trevor. You can probably speak 209 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: to this that he's fine with in the bullpen when 210 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: he's throwing, but once against into the game, the bad 211 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: habits kind of re emerge and that can happen, right, 212 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: So to me, the good news there was all right, 213 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: they've identified the problem what it is, and what I 214 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: was told is he's working hard to correct it sometimes 215 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: though it's not so easy to translate, and when you're 216 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: going from Triple A to the major leagues, I would 217 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: imagine Trevor, it becomes that much more difficult. 218 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, yes to all of those things. Bullpens are not 219 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 5: the game, especially if it's a rotational thing, which I'm 220 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 5: guessing that's sub problem he's had in the past with 221 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 5: getting his timing going so yanking pitches or leaving them 222 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 5: up armside a lot, which is not what you want 223 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 5: out of the gate. So hopefully that is something that 224 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 5: they can address. But shout out to Jeremy Hefner there's 225 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 5: not many guys in the league that can I think 226 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 5: handle those problems quickly better than him, So he's in 227 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 5: good hands, Trevor. 228 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 1: We should mention the Met's issue right now, their biggest issue. 229 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: While the rotation is a concern and it's regressed and 230 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: they've had injuries and regression and all kinds of things happening, 231 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: their offense is really top heavy at the moment. They're 232 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: not getting much five through nine at all, So it's 233 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: kind of a perfect storm of events kind of submerging 234 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: them right now. And clearly they're going to have to 235 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: fix all of these things to get back to where 236 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: they were. I don't know that they will. But at 237 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: the same time, they still have a very strong team. 238 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: They have president Baseball Operations who will make the tweaks necessary. 239 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: They are going to be looking for an infielder as 240 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: well as a starting pitcher most likely, and of course 241 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: all teams will be looking for bullpen help. So the 242 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: deadline for them is looming as more interesting than it 243 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: might have been, say two weeks ago. 244 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 6: Hey, both New York teams are struggling right now, Ken, 245 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 6: so you can throw the Yankees in there also as 246 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 6: a team that's not doing great. Yeah, right now, New York. 247 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 6: There's people panicking in New York. There's there's a lot 248 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 6: of craziness happening in there. But tonight Chase Burns goes 249 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 6: against the Yankees. I asked Trent Rosecrantch yesterday. Could they 250 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 6: have not have found it easier landing spot for Chase 251 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 6: Burns to make his debut than at home against the Yankees? 252 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 6: Could they not have waited till the Rockies or someone 253 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 6: else comes into town to give the stead They're like, hey, 254 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 6: go get the Rockies. 255 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: Certainly a fair question. This guy's the second pick of 256 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four draft and now he's facing Aaron 257 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: Judge less than a year later. That's a lot to ask. 258 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 3: Now. 259 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: I read about him a little bit, and I guess 260 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: Trent wrote an article in which it was related to 261 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: him that I guess Chase Burns's dream is to face 262 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: Aaron Judge. Well, the dream starts tonight. We'll see if 263 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: it's a dream or a nightmare. But from what I 264 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: understand of Chase Burns, and I'm not a prospect expert 265 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: or a draft expert, so what I know is basically 266 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: what I read. But he's a guy who's not afraid. 267 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: He is a guy who's emotional on the mound, but controlled, 268 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: so he pitches with passion and he's someone who of 269 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: course has great stuff. That's why he was the number 270 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: two pick in the draft, and you see right there 271 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: that's who he is. So I'm looking forward to this. 272 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: I always love debuts, period, and this kid sounds like 273 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: he's obviously got something, much the way they saying, the 274 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 1: way they pushed their number one prospect to the big 275 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: leagues last year. So it's going to be really interesting 276 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: tonight to see him against Aaron Judge and the rest. 277 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 3: Of the Yankees. 278 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: Speaking of the Yankees, last one for you here, Ken. 279 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 2: It's a topic that we're going to cover later in 280 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: the show. We had Clint Fraser on the show last 281 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 2: or last week, a former Yankee. He talked about how, 282 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: you know, he doesn't love certain parts of computer models 283 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: telling teams when to sit players, and I think there's 284 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 2: two equations here. There is the load management side and 285 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 2: there is the projections against a certain picture or lineup. 286 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 2: It became relevant when Anthony Bolpi, who was on a 287 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 2: cold streak, had a big game on Saturday, hit a 288 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 2: home run and at least another knock, maybe three knocks 289 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 2: in that game, and had been I think over twenty 290 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: five entering that one. He sits Sunday scheduled day off. 291 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: It was reported by multiple writers that that was the plan. 292 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: They went through with the plan yesterday over four to 293 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: two strikeouts, loses the bat twice. Do you believe in that? 294 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,599 Speaker 2: Do you think that that's something that should be implemented 295 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 2: or do you think there should be more of a 296 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 2: conversation with teams. I don't know if you've experienced that, 297 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: But also just from an opinion basis, what do you 298 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 2: think of that? Because for me, I'm like, finally he 299 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: got some knocks, he got a homer, let him play 300 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 2: the next day. 301 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: Well, the mess just sent down Francisco Alvarez the day 302 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: after he hit a four hundred and fifty foot homer. 303 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: So these teams are not looking at necessarily the small 304 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: sample of one game. 305 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 2: Do I agree with that? 306 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: I think you have to take it on a case 307 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: by case basis. And the one thing that we've lost 308 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: in the game, and I can rail on this all 309 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: day long, we all could, is the loss of feel 310 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: and sometimes the modeling and the projections over ride the field. 311 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: That a manager might have for how a player is 312 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: doing at a particular time. And I found it interesting 313 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: reading the quotes from Tony Mancelino, the Oriols manager this 314 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: morning on Jackson Holiday. Jackson Holiday is a left handed hitter. 315 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: He's a guy they sat against Scooble, as you would 316 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: with a left handed hitter against that kind of pitcher. 317 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: But Mancellino said, you know what, this guy's going to 318 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: be our lead off guy every day, hopefully for the 319 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: next five years and beyond, because they feel that Jackson 320 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: Holliday has made adjustments against left handers and is capable 321 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: of handling them. One thing that is always interesting with 322 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: this argument, and I've talked about this with Jack Peterson, 323 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: a guy who of course sits against lefties and others too. 324 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: How are you expected to hit lefties if you don't 325 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: get the chance to hit lefties? And this is a 326 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: question that teams don't necessarily want to address. They just say, well, 327 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: he doesn't hit lefties, so we're gonna sit them, and 328 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: that's that okay with veteran players. Sometimes with track records 329 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: with younger players, when you're not allowing them to grow, 330 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: that I question, and it's always kind of a chicken 331 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: and egg thing, and I'm not sure what the proper 332 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: answer is. And again, each player is different, each circumstance 333 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: and team is different. But it seems to me that 334 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: we've lost in some cases feel the feel for feel 335 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: that we once had in the game. 336 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 3: And while it would be. 337 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: Extreme to go back the other way, base it all 338 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: on field and not look at the models and the 339 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: projections and all that, the balance is what the best 340 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: teams have, and sometimes teams get out of whack with 341 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: that and it's a problem. 342 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, And my thing is, I mean, with Albarez, you're 343 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: gonna send him down and that's kind of in the plans, 344 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 2: and one home run is not going to change your mind. Fine, 345 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: but if you're planning on Volpi being your guy up 346 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: here and you want to instill a little bit of 347 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 2: confidence that the dude play after he finally got himself 348 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: back on the board. We'll ask Trevor and aj about 349 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: this too coming And I'm. 350 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: Not sure, Scott, I have to look at this, but 351 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: are they in a stretch where they're playing like sixteen 352 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: in a row. 353 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 3: I think they might be. 354 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: And that factor, yeah, yeah, that's that's a factor that's 355 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: a real thing. 356 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 6: Let them play. 357 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 4: Let them. 358 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: I think we know what AJ's answer is going to be. 359 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 3: Later. 360 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: Let's let Ken jump. We'll get to this coming up. Ken. 361 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 2: Thank you, We'll catch you later this week. 362 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 3: Thanks guys. 363 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 2: All right, that's the inside scoop from Ken Rosenthal. Also, 364 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 2: Fair Territory back live with Alana Rizzo and Ken Rosenthal 365 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 2: on Thursday. Make sure you check that out live on 366 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 2: the Found Territory YouTube channel Hockcorner. Let sizzle. The A's 367 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 2: finally broke round in Vegas and they didn't invite former 368 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 2: athletic Trevor May. Trevor, your thoughts on them finally breaking 369 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 2: round with this photo that honestly looks photoshopped. I know 370 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 2: it's not, but it does. 371 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 3: I mean, who knows what's real anymore, you know what 372 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 3: I mean? 373 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, I love a good John Fisher photo, especially when 374 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 5: he doesn't have his eyes open, and they chose that 375 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 5: one to post because I'm sure they all had their 376 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 5: eyes closed in them. 377 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 3: But that said, you know, my jab thrown. 378 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 5: I'm glad that it's actually happening, or at least on 379 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 5: paper it's happening, because I know a lot of the 380 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 5: stuff in the background there is positioned that way for 381 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 5: show and they're not actually doing anything with their golden shovels. 382 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 3: Come on, I do. 383 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 5: Think I do think it's a net positive. And at 384 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 5: the end of the day, we know what Sacramento's like 385 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 5: and that can't. 386 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 3: Be long term. 387 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 5: It simply cannot. It's already kind of long term with 388 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 5: three years. But if that's gonna be our pivot plan, 389 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 5: we got to avoid that one. Like the plague, we 390 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 5: cannot play well at least on that field. So this 391 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 5: is a step in the in the in the right direction. 392 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 5: And you just have to deal with John Fisher being around, 393 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 5: and I think that has something to do new with 394 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 5: me not being invited. Maybe maybe I don't know. 395 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, I have a question for you here, Trevor. Okay, 396 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 6: Dave Stewart, right, Dave Stewart is mister Oakland. Isn't he 397 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 6: from Oakland? Born and bread Roly Fingers played in Oakland? 398 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 6: Dallas Braiden from Stockton, mister Oakland. They're all there like, Hey, 399 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 6: we're so happy they're going to Vegas. Where was all 400 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 6: Where's all the vitriol that we used to see where 401 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 6: they were all mad about them leaving Oakland? In the 402 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 6: Bay Area. Now they're just like, oh, they're writing me 403 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 6: at paychecks and we're happy that they're going to Vegas? 404 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 6: Is that how it works? 405 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 5: Unfortunately, the having a job is a big part of it, 406 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 5: and you know there there's a lot of that. Those 407 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 5: two guys specifically have pretty prominent roles, uh, you know 408 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 5: in the media side of that team, and if you 409 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 5: are representing the team as the media, there is a 410 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 5: certain level of of swallow. Just put it, put down 411 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 5: all that to the side, and just try to cover 412 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 5: the guys that are out there because it's weird. 413 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 3: When I was there, it's pretty clear. 414 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 5: You know, everyone knows, everyone knows what's what's up, and 415 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 5: everyone knows that they don't have the best taste in 416 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 5: the mouth of how things are handled or whether or 417 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 5: not they can trust the person that's writing their paychecks 418 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,479 Speaker 5: at the other day. But you look around and everyone's 419 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 5: kind of in that same boat, just like, hey, you know, 420 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 5: jobs are I've heard that specifically, jobs are hard to 421 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 5: come by. Don't step on toes, you know, that's that's 422 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 5: popular everywhere. It's just one of those like is it 423 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 5: worth it to be a martyr here? Like if me 424 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 5: saying anything going to pile on and really make it 425 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 5: real and anything change, which I know that's not the best. 426 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,239 Speaker 3: Way to to approach things all the time. 427 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 5: But I also can't blame anybody from from taking that 428 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 5: that I think that stance and just trying to to 429 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 5: navigate the waters as best they can with the power 430 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 5: that they have to to affect anything at all. 431 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 3: And you know, we we cover we talk about base 432 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 3: all the time. 433 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 5: At the end of the day, the owners do what 434 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 5: they owners want to do, like nobody can like at 435 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 5: the end of it, if they decide, there's very little 436 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 5: anyone could do about anything. 437 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 3: And so you know, it's it's easy for a guy. 438 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 5: Who just like like me, who was just walked out 439 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 5: the door and then started yelling over his shoulder, right, 440 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 5: But I could have done stuff when I was there, 441 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 5: But you know, it was one of those things like 442 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 5: what what effect does that have? And I think that 443 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 5: you know, knowing Dallas and knowing Dave Stewart, that I 444 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 5: just can't blame them or get too mad at them 445 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 5: for for you know, if you even if you say 446 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 5: no to that situation, you know, how does that look. 447 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 5: It's like one of those things like I paint it 448 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 5: in a corner here. Uh, and I and I'm gonna 449 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 5: be around the boss, so I gotta I gotta. 450 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 3: Fake it, maake it till you make it. That's just 451 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 3: how the world works. 452 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 2: I mean, Ce Sabbathia is from that area. You can 453 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 2: speak up about what's gone on. Right, isn't new from 454 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 2: the Oakland area? 455 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, but he's not. He's employed by the. 456 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 2: Commission, Right, So they. 457 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 5: Won't be Yeah, they won't be They won't be asked 458 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 5: if they're like, they just won't be included. And that's 459 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 5: just I think it's important for them as ex players 460 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 5: to be included and have a have a seat at 461 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 5: the table in a voice. And sometimes you have to 462 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 5: just like let some stuff go by so you can 463 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 5: stay included. I think this is just it's just how 464 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 5: politics works, guys. I think that's just this is how 465 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 5: it works. And you have to pick and choose your spots, 466 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 5: and uh, you know you can criticize the spots, but 467 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 5: you know you got to keep that in mind. And 468 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 5: and is it more valuable to have you in the 469 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 5: room in a lot most cases, I say yes. 470 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: There's current players that could say more. Ones that are 471 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 2: on other teams that we know are never going to 472 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 2: end up there that are in long term contracts. I've 473 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 2: always been curious about this one. I mean, obviously the 474 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 2: union can say more to about what's gone on, but 475 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 2: to me, I mean, part of it is like, Okay, 476 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 2: they're telling you how they feel. I mean, they clearly, 477 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 2: you know, wanted to see a change, and they're not 478 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 2: that invested in moving to Vegas, you know, like I'm saying, 479 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 2: they're not that invested in leaving Oakland really in moving 480 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 2: to Vegas, most of the players, Trevor, I mean, otherwise 481 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 2: you would have heard from some of the big names 482 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 2: in the sport speaking out about it or the union side, 483 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 2: you know, there hasn't been a lot of pushback on 484 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 2: that front. 485 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 3: That's a good point. 486 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 5: That's a good point, Like you've heard noen gung ho 487 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 5: for the solution that it's being, you know, but out 488 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 5: there because i think at the end of the day, 489 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 5: they just don't They're just not convinced anything anything like 490 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 5: day to day or operationally is going to change because 491 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 5: the same people are making decisions. It doesn't matter if 492 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 5: there's a new park there, doesn't matter if you're in 493 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 5: a new state that's way hotter, like it's just the 494 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 5: the decisions are still going to be made the way 495 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 5: they've always been made. Unless you see something else, Like 496 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 5: see something else happen, you're not going to know to 497 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 5: you there. 498 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 3: But if you go by the last I don't know, 499 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 3: twenty years. 500 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 5: You're gonna be like, Yeah, he's probably gonna keep doing 501 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 5: the same stuff, and we're just it's gonna be the 502 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 5: same thing. So what's the point of going through all 503 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 5: this work to move and change and have us have 504 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 5: to deal with all this stuff if nothing's actually gonna 505 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 5: change for us and today we're still going to have 506 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 5: to go out there and grind and win despite. 507 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 3: Certain situations, certain circumstances. 508 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 2: I think some people are just crossing their fingers hoping 509 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: that this gets settled eventually, get the team out of 510 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 2: a minor league park, get them into Vegas, and hopefully 511 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 2: the owner then cashes in on the franchise value going up, 512 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 2: which is what he did. John Fisher just now with 513 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 2: what the San Jose Earthquakes, is that the name of 514 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 2: the team that he just sold for a whole bunch 515 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 2: of money and made like. 516 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 3: Value out on his return. 517 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 5: Didn't they win like four games all time? Beyond the 518 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 5: team or something. 519 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: Dude, the expansion fee I think was like twenty million, 520 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 2: and don't quote me on this, we can correct it 521 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 2: later to get the exacts. And I think he sold 522 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 2: it for like six hundred million something like that, So 523 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 2: he did pretty good on getting it on that investment.