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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, It's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to Work in Progress this week, friends, have I

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Speaker 1: got a whip smart treat for all of you. I

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Speaker 1: have not one, but two absolutely brilliant guests on the

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Speaker 1: as communicators, and frankly, as people I just want to

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Speaker 1: hang out with. They are good eggs. We are joined

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Speaker 1: today by Senator Lisa Blunt Rochester and Senator Alissa Slotkin.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about y'all, but I remember the good

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Speaker 1: old days when we could talk about the fight to

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Speaker 1: leaders that are still doing the work. For the past

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Speaker 1: seventeen months, our first term Senators Lisa and Alyssa have

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Speaker 1: spent every single day in office on the frontline of

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Speaker 1: But the decisions that are being made now in this

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Speaker 1: think we're all a little scared might be irreversible. These

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Speaker 1: two women, in their freshman Senate season come to this

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Speaker 1: moment with such incredible understanding. Alissa slot Can with a

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Speaker 1: true expertise in global risk, having served as a CIA

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Speaker 1: And then we've got Senator Lisa Blunt Rochester, whose path

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Speaker 1: And now in their second year, they are navigating an

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Speaker 1: Whether that's geopolitical threats, or economic pressures or technological change.

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Speaker 1: All these things are colliding at once. And these women

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Speaker 1: Senators Slatkin and Blunt Rochester. Senators, I'm so honored to

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Speaker 1: be with you both today. You know, first as a constituent,

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Speaker 1: you too, you know, fighting not only for your districts

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Speaker 1: took time to be here today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you to be here for you.

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Speaker 1: I'm really curious, you know, you were talking about the

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Speaker 1: in DC. You all gather together, but you also represent

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Speaker 1: for you, Senator Slackin, And I'm just curious, you know,

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Speaker 2: What a great question.

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Speaker 3: Well, for me, I was actually born in Philadelphia, which

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Speaker 3: to me, just as we celebrate the two hundred and

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Speaker 3: But with those things I think are foundational to who

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Speaker 2: And then my family moved to Delaware.

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Speaker 3: In nineteen sixty nine, which was after the longest occupation

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Speaker 3: I think that has sort of been the foundation for

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Speaker 3: I think we bring all of those experiences with us

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well it's just so cool, I mean, and it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: You know, when I talk, especially to young people about

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Speaker 1: like I get to speak to young people, I'm not

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Speaker 1: I reference, you know, importance that's both local and national

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Speaker 1: we have so many of the same issues you talk about.

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Speaker 1: You know, we have a connection Alyssa because I've called

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you know, Michigan is a place where

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Speaker 4: even your families at Thanksgiving dinner, right, And it was

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Speaker 4: And Michiganders cannot stand how politics has made Thanksgiving uncomfortable.

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Speaker 4: But I think for me, you know, I also just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely well, part of what you speak about the

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Speaker 1: hyper intensification of the debate. You know, it used to

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Speaker 1: particularly with your background as a threat to nash security.

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Speaker 4: No, I think that's one hundred percent accurate when certainly

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Speaker 4: in national security for years, for decades after World War Two,

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Speaker 4: Some people are deep isolationists. Some people think we should

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Speaker 4: many decisions become haphazard and conflicted. And you know, yesterday

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Speaker 3: care for the American people. And so again, these are

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Speaker 3: the things that we're doing every day, in addition to

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Speaker 3: trying to communicate, in addition to fighting for democracy. This

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Speaker 3: woman fighting for our national security, you know, and so,

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Speaker 3: and then trying to live a life outside of here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and now a word from our wonderful sponsors. Something

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure I say for our friends

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Speaker 1: at home, because obviously I know this about you both.

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Speaker 1: You are governmental like girl crushes for me. But when

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Speaker 1: you talk about being freshmen in the Senate, your expertise

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Speaker 1: comes from such long, like incredible, I don't even want

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Speaker 1: to call it a resume. You both have a laundry

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Speaker 1: list of public service. And when I think about how

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Speaker 1: those roles shape your pathway into these Senate seats. You know, senators,

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Speaker 1: thought can your career in national security, working at the CIA,

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Speaker 1: three tours in Iraq, you know you have such expertise.

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Speaker 1: And Lisa, you know, I think about you being Delaware's

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Speaker 1: sole representative in the House, like literally having to carry

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Speaker 1: the concerns of an entire state by yourself, and you

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Speaker 1: manage to be such an optimist. I just am so

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Speaker 1: amazed by all of the haaps you've worn that enable

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Speaker 1: you all to wear the ones you wear today. And

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Speaker 1: you said something that I find really pressing in this moment,

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Speaker 1: because in each of your states you emphasize the importance

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Speaker 1: of rebuilding, manufacturing, You talk about economic opportunity. We know

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Speaker 1: that jobs matter for people. We know that until we

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Speaker 1: do pass better or universal healthcare, often people's healthcare is

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Speaker 1: tied to their jobs. But housing in particular everywhere is

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Speaker 1: a problem. And not only is private equity buying up

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Speaker 1: most of the housing in the country a problem, but

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Speaker 1: you really talked about something I want to connect for

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Speaker 1: our listeners, which is that what's happening with climate is

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Speaker 1: creating a vacuum of problems for people, whether it's in

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Speaker 1: a coastal city and we're talking about flooding, whether it's

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Speaker 1: on the West coast and we're talking about wildfires, whether

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Speaker 1: we're talking about you know, particularly in the Midwest, northern Midwest,

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Speaker 1: like these crazy superstorms. How do you see climate as

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Speaker 1: this kind of big umbrella that maybe everyone's not talking about,

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Speaker 1: Maybe they don't know about all the little wins you're

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Speaker 1: achieving for your states in terms of shoring up support.

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Speaker 1: It feels like such a big issue to think about that.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people's reaction is to put

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Speaker 1: their heads in the sand because it feels scary. But

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Speaker 1: you both don't get to do that. You have to

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Speaker 1: come up with solutions. So when you look at a

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Speaker 1: big issue like that and how it affects housing, jobs,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, how do you begin to tackle that and

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Speaker 1: how do you do that in partnership across your states?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll start and then kick it over to Lisa,

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Speaker 4: and you know, I think, Look, I feel like the

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Speaker 4: lesson that we learned in the last presidential election is

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Speaker 4: that people are sort of existentially focused on their pocketbooks,

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Speaker 4: their kids and whether the next generation is going to

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Speaker 4: have the keys to the middle class and the American dream.

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Speaker 4: Like I think that's the issue. I actually think Trump

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Speaker 4: is a symptom of the problem. The problem is we

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Speaker 4: have a shrinking middle class in America and that is

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Speaker 4: a big old problem in the diverse country like ours. Yes,

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Speaker 4: and so I you know, in Michigan we care deeply,

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Speaker 4: like you said, about our great lakes, our watersheds, our

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Speaker 4: local environment. We've had a rise in extreme weather that

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Speaker 4: cost people, and so my entry point into climate is

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Speaker 4: not like climate qua climate Like, let's have a discussion

498
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Speaker 4: of the Paris Climate Accord. That's people are not They're

499
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Speaker 4: not there. But if you want to talk about their

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Speaker 4: energy prices, right, if you want to talk about how

501
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Speaker 4: many times right now, I've got floods going on across Michigan.

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Speaker 4: I've got dams bursting, people are texting me their pictures

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Speaker 4: of their backyards. There's real financial costs to where we

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Speaker 4: are with these extreme weather events, and I think people

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Speaker 4: care about their pocketbooks right now, and so that is

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Speaker 4: my entry point. So when I have, like a Republican

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Speaker 4: mayor call me and his town is flooded for the

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Speaker 4: third time in a year, right, These once in a

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Speaker 4: generation floods are now like all the time. And he says, look,

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Speaker 4: I know we're going to get more floods and they're

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Speaker 4: going to be more severe. Can I talk to you

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Speaker 4: about infrastructure planning. That's a Republican mayor talking to me

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Speaker 4: about climate change. And I don't give a crap if

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Speaker 4: he says the word climate change, I don't. I just

515
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Speaker 4: need to hit have him on the at the table

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Speaker 4: to have the conversation. So for me, the way that

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Speaker 4: you tackle an enormous issue, an existential issue like climate

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Speaker 4: is like you can't eat the elephant all at once.

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Speaker 4: You know, you have to figure out your entry point,

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Speaker 4: and for me, it's extreme weather and your pocketbook.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I totally agree.

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Speaker 3: I think the one area that we didn't mention that

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Speaker 3: also is impacted is healthcare. I mean to the extent

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Speaker 3: that this extreme weather, even the wildfires and the toxicity,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't stop at the Canadian border, that that affects

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Speaker 3: our health status. Living in communities like we have in Delaware,

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Speaker 3: there are some places where the the the whole issue

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Speaker 3: of that flooding affects again people's health status, and that

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Speaker 3: goes back to our health costs. I also think that

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Speaker 3: to Alyssa's point, you know, when I started in the House,

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Speaker 3: I was able to my freshman term I wanted. I

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Speaker 3: was like you know, when you're when you're running, people

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Speaker 3: ask you.

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Speaker 2: And I ran.

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Speaker 3: When I ran for the first time because I had

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Speaker 3: never run for anything before, I ran for Congress.

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Speaker 2: And people kept saying, what committee do you want to

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Speaker 2: be on? What committee? I was like committee? So I

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Speaker 2: googled all the committees and that's how I figured.

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Speaker 3: Out, like, you know, what committee do I want to

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Speaker 3: be on, and so it was like, I want to

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Speaker 3: be on. I found out Energy and Commerce was the

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Speaker 3: committee where you are going to be dealing with climate, health, energy,

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Speaker 3: all of these different things. So I was like, I'm

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Speaker 3: going to get on Energy and Commerce and then I

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Speaker 3: said it out loud and people laughed at me. They

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Speaker 3: were like, oh, they don't let freshmen on Energy and Commerce. Well,

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Speaker 3: I was like, I'm going to get on it the

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Speaker 3: next term, and I did. And part of that goal

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Speaker 3: was that intersection between climate, jobs, healthcare, housing.

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Speaker 2: Food, instability, all of these.

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Speaker 3: Things you know are tied to that. Not to mention

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Speaker 3: the quality of life.

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Speaker 2: I mean, my team, they we talk about this all

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Speaker 2: the time. We have three piece purpose, piece and planet.

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Speaker 2: That's that's that's what we're here for. Purpose. That's jobs.

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Speaker 2: That's making sure you've got health care and a house

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Speaker 2: to live in that you.

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Speaker 3: Can afford back to that middle class, that aspiration of

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Speaker 3: what we are here for.

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Speaker 2: Purpose. The next one is peace. That's peace of mind

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Speaker 2: and mental health.

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Speaker 3: Because we've seen part of this just since I talked

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Speaker 3: about BC before COVID, we were one way. I don't

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Speaker 3: think we've recovered mentally from COVID. Still, I don't either

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Speaker 3: mental health, but also the peace in our communities. Gun

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Speaker 3: violence was rampant in our major city. And when I

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Speaker 3: decided to run and so to be able to be

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Speaker 3: a part of the Safer Communities Act and bring dollars

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Speaker 3: to communities like they have their own agency, they know

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Speaker 3: what works in their community. And then peace globally. That's

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Speaker 3: why I was an ir major. And then the planet

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Speaker 3: without a planet? What are we talking about? Like it's

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Speaker 3: a moot point. We're not even here now.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: I think there's some people that are planning to go

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Speaker 3: up on their own planet and do some things, or

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Speaker 3: they've got like bunkers, like and show paradise.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'm a big on paradise. I

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Speaker 2: don't know.

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Speaker 1: I for me too, I love it, Oh, me too.

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Speaker 2: But that's it peace, planet and purpose.

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Speaker 1: But you know what's really interesting, And I'm curious to

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Speaker 1: know what you two think of this because I think

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Speaker 1: for many of us who have spent lifetimes in service,

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Speaker 1: who understand the importance of the planet, who know that

587
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Speaker 1: there's plenty we talked about this Artemis, there are planets

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Speaker 1: out there in the galaxies where literally diamonds rain down

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Speaker 1: on them. People think diamonds are rare. We're the only

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Speaker 1: planet with trees, like the only one. Trees are actually

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Speaker 1: the miracle. We are so lucky to live on Earth.

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Speaker 1: And when I see some of these people, you know,

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Speaker 1: the guy who bought the rocket company whose name I

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Speaker 1: don't like to say, and the rest talking about like, oh,

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Speaker 1: let's go live on Mars or the moon or in

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Speaker 1: a bunker, I'm tell me you've never ever done any

597
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Speaker 1: volunteering in a carceral system without telling me, because what

598
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Speaker 1: you're actually talking about is building yourself a bougie prison,

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Speaker 1: and you've just never been in prison, and you don't

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Speaker 1: know how hard it is on people.

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Speaker 2: Bugie prison, I'm writing prison.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, every single thing you think you love about

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Speaker 1: being alive won't be there. And no amount of Frette

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Speaker 1: sheets or whatever else you're going to put on your

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Speaker 1: rocket are going to make you feel better. Sir, You

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Speaker 1: know some of that is so crazy to me. I

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Speaker 1: think for me, the goal is always to bring it back,

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Speaker 1: as you ladies are saying to how these things are related,

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Speaker 1: because helping a constituent community in your state, regardless of

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Speaker 1: what team their mayor is, matters, no matter what language

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Speaker 1: you're using. If you want to call it a climate issue,

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Speaker 1: if you want to call it a disaster issue, these

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Speaker 1: are human issues. Affordability is a human issue, you know,

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Speaker 1: even when we think about something as large as the

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Speaker 1: space race, which AI is our new space race, right

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Speaker 1: like we started talking about that. Something I want to

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Speaker 1: thank you both for and let people listening know, is

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Speaker 1: that you are both very passionately working to keep AI

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Speaker 1: misuse in check. And I know this matters to my

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Speaker 1: audience because actually, at the top of this year, when

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Speaker 1: I talked about the Defiance Act passing its first round

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Speaker 1: of votes unanimously, and the advocacy that myself and other

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Speaker 1: you know, civilians who know about this work have been

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Speaker 1: entrenched in for many years, I got a lot of

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Speaker 1: feedback about that, you know, from young women, from moms

626
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Speaker 1: who want to protect their kids. Everyone really wants to know.

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Speaker 1: You know, this thing that might identify breast cancer five

628
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Speaker 1: years earlier sounds great, but we don't want it to

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Speaker 1: be used to abuse women and children, which we also

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Speaker 1: know it's doing. You know, do we want to develop

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Speaker 1: science and go to the moon, Yes, Do we want

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Speaker 1: to burn Earth to do it? No? You know, should

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Speaker 1: we be able to have nonpartisan conversations and prioritize national

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Speaker 1: security instead of subtweeting each other. Yes, when you think

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Speaker 1: about some of these things, especially something like AI, that

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Speaker 1: is a big concept, but that has very immediate opportunity

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Speaker 1: to personally affect people and also is a big, you know,

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Speaker 1: blaring question mark of the future of technology and security.

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Speaker 1: How do you work on that as an elected official,

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Speaker 1: Like what are your priorities in terms of the law,

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Speaker 1: and how do you help educate people about what it

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Speaker 1: is in the first place. That's a big one, just

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Speaker 1: a casual question for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big one.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'll just tell you very quickly that you know,

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Speaker 4: we to me again, if we were healthy as a country,

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Speaker 4: Democrats and Republicans would be hammering out the left and

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Speaker 4: right limits of AI every day, all day, on our

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Speaker 4: economic future, future of jobs, on our national security, on

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Speaker 4: all the benefits, the health part of it, like all

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Speaker 4: the research benefits, Like we'd be talking about that twenty

652
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Speaker 4: four to seven. I honestly feel like we're It's like

653
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Speaker 4: nineteen eighty nine and someone takes like a transport back

654
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Speaker 4: and tells everybody there's this thing called the Internet that's

655
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Speaker 4: going to totally change everything, and you're just like what,

656
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Speaker 4: And I feel like we're We've got that time traveler

657
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Speaker 4: telling us like AI is about to really change so

658
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Speaker 4: much about our world, and yet we're not doing anything concrete,

659
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Speaker 4: you know about it as as a nation. I think

660
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Speaker 4: for me, I'm just being in the military world, you know,

661
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Speaker 4: I think it is important that on matters of life

662
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Speaker 4: and death, we have a human being that's in the loop.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Just I think and they're like, we should just let's

665
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Speaker 4: be in agreement that when it comes to deploying nuclear weapons,

666
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Speaker 4: we should always have a human being in the loop,

667
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Speaker 4: Like we just don't know where this technology is going.

668
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Speaker 4: And so I think that there, you know, I just

669
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Speaker 4: put up a bill a couple of weeks ago to

670
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Speaker 4: put in those left and right limits at the Pentagon.

671
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Speaker 4: Just but I think also what you were getting at

672
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Speaker 4: in terms of the abuse of AI, particularly targeted at

673
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Speaker 4: women and girls, is like we're going to all have

674
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Speaker 4: to understand like that, And frankly, I think demand more

675
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Speaker 4: autonomy over our name, image and likeness, yes, like our

676
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 4: data like we always have, you know, we always talk

677
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 4: about like bodily autonomy, right that you can't no one

678
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 4: should be telling you how you use your body. I

679
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 4: think we're going to have to start having the same

680
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Speaker 4: conversations about your data and when they're taking videos, you know,

681
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Speaker 4: and certainly you me, Lisa, We're all on video all

682
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Speaker 4: over the internet, right and so you know you shouldn't

683
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Speaker 4: be able to take a bunch of videos and do

684
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Speaker 4: something le leude with with that imagery and then just

685
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Speaker 4: like that's no problem, no consequences, It's fine. And I

686
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Speaker 4: think that we're going to have to as the public

687
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Speaker 4: is going to have to demand more action from Congress

688
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 4: on this name image, likeness, on your data or else.

689
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Speaker 4: It's just going to become like what can we believe?

690
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Speaker 4: What can we not? What's actually true?

691
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Speaker 2: What's not?

692
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 4: What are people saying? What are they not? And I

693
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Speaker 4: think people feel that we're already on the edge of that,

694
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Speaker 4: and there's just so many issues out there. They're not

695
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Speaker 4: sending a clear demand signal. But give it another six

696
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Speaker 4: months and it is I think going to become a

697
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Speaker 4: bigger and bigger issue in the next year.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back in just a minute after a few

699
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Speaker 1: words from our favorite sponsors. So with that bill you

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Speaker 1: put up, I'm curious you know, I want to watch

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Speaker 1: our time, and I know you ladies both have to go,

702
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Speaker 1: and actually, you know, govern I would love to leave

703
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Speaker 1: listeners with a few things that they should be calling

704
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Speaker 1: their representatives about. I will go ahead and say, and

705
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Speaker 1: you tell me if you think it's a top three

706
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Speaker 1: issue this week, this month. I want everyone to keep

707
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: calling and absolutely demanding that we not pass the Save Act.

708
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: It is voter suppression and it is particularly targeted at women.

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Speaker 1: And I can say it so you don't have to

710
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Speaker 1: pardon my French. It's insanely up that we're even having

711
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 1: this conversation in America in twenty twenty six. I would

712
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Speaker 1: love to know what is your bill, Senator? You know,

713
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Speaker 1: what should people be saying, this is the bill we

714
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Speaker 1: want you to pass on AI and then we want

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Speaker 1: you to keep going. You know, is there, likewise some

716
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: sort of great environmental bill that we should be pressing for,

717
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: Like We've got one up in California right now that

718
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Speaker 1: I'm advocating for on social media. But I would just

719
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Speaker 1: love to know, are there are a handful of things

720
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Speaker 1: that you would like everyone listening to this podcast to

721
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Speaker 1: get on that congressional switchboard to call their senators about

722
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Speaker 1: like how do we help keep the pressure on from

723
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Speaker 1: the constituents, because as much as I think people feel

724
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: a little helpless or hopeless right now, it does matter

725
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: the more of us, you know, make noise, right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, definitely.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I do want to say something

728
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Speaker 3: about AI and also because AI is here, quantum is coming,

729
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Speaker 3: and I think there's not a lot of conversation about

730
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Speaker 3: that yet. You took a deep breath, but yeah, I know,

731
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Speaker 3: I know, and so I want to kind of put

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Speaker 3: a plug there. And one of the bills that I,

733
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Speaker 3: you know, have focused on is first of all, AI

734
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Speaker 3: literacy in general. People across this country don't even know

735
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Speaker 3: sometimes that it's being used on them, that they're using it,

736
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Speaker 3: And so part of it is also to give people

737
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Speaker 3: agency them so else, even our educators, and making sure

738
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Speaker 3: that they know so that we don't lose critical thinking skills,

739
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Speaker 3: that we don't use lose creativity. I mean, right now

740
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Speaker 3: we've got a soul singer who's AI generated and one

741
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Speaker 3: of the number one country singers with no soul and so,

742
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Speaker 3: you know, so part of it is to think about

743
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Speaker 3: we're looking at those guardrails.

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Speaker 2: We've got a slate of bills.

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Speaker 3: But to me, like the five alarm fire, for me

746
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 3: is the same act. It is making sure right now

747
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 3: we're seeing Americans, whether they go to No King's rallies,

748
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 3: whether they are writing postcards, those things still matter. And

749
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Speaker 3: I would encourage people. You don't have to write to me.

750
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 3: I know where I am on this, but if you

751
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 3: got family in states where those legislators, those Republican legislators

752
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 3: aren't getting it, then have those folks spread the word,

753
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 3: continue to do that kind of outreach. Amplify things like

754
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 3: what you're doing this show, these messages, because again, the

755
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 3: breakthrough is going to happen because of.

756
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Speaker 2: The power of the people. We're you know, forty seven

757
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Speaker 2: how many of us are Gran's pretty yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so what when you amplify that and when

759
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Speaker 3: you multiply that, that's the power of the people.

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Speaker 2: We got to be.

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Speaker 3: Focused until we get to the mid terms, until we

762
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Speaker 3: get to twenty twenty eight, not to.

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Speaker 1: Be yes, ma'am, I'm ready, just a little oh, I'm

764
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Speaker 1: so ready. Listen. I have a lot of cause to

765
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Speaker 1: be in Michigan very regularly. But you need me for

766
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: anything in Delaware, I'm there. You just let me know

767
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: we will take you good. I'm ready to go. Well,

768
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Speaker 1: thank you all so much. I really cherish the time

769
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Speaker 1: with you. My favorite question to ask everyone who kind

770
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: enough to join me on this show is the following

771
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: and whether it's you know, something in the political sphere,

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Speaker 1: the personal sphere, something that gives you hope. I'm curious

773
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Speaker 1: for each of you, ladies, what feels like you're work

774
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: in progress right now?

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00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know. I don't know if it's a

776
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 4: work in progress, but I think what is given me,

777
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 4: giving me hope is watching people fight for what they

778
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 4: love and it actually working, you know. I mean, I

779
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 4: think you know, for us, we are our friends from

780
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Speaker 4: the House of Representative just became the governor of Virginia

781
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Speaker 4: and the governor of New Jersey in twenty twenty five.

782
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so problem.

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Speaker 4: We were just talking, you know, beforehand about them, and

784
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Speaker 4: I think we had a goal in those states and

785
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Speaker 4: the off year elections. They worked hard on it and

786
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Speaker 4: they were successful. It gives me hope for twenty twenty six.

787
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Speaker 4: I think we have. It's a work in progress, because

788
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Speaker 4: just doing well in a midterm, which we are going

789
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Speaker 4: to have to work for, does not mean you win

790
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 4: in a general presidential election. So we have work to

791
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 4: do on playing offense and having our agenda and our

792
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 4: value proposition to the American people, not just pointing at

793
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Speaker 4: Trump on.

794
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Speaker 2: How bad he is.

795
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Speaker 4: We know that, but we got to have our own

796
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Speaker 4: platform that people can find themselves in. But I think

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00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 4: you know, I was in Ohio. You know, I've been

798
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 4: traveling the last couple of weeks, and people understand that

799
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Speaker 4: they got to get engaged in order to have this

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Speaker 4: go the right way. And watching that happen in places

801
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 4: like Toledo is to me gives me hope even if

802
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 4: the project isn't finished.

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Speaker 3: I'll say, I'll say my work in progress is probably

804
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 3: more personal work in progress that's connected always to the

805
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 3: work as well, and.

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Speaker 2: I think it is.

807
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Speaker 3: Maintaining bright hope in the midst of what can feel dark.

808
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 2: Sometimes.

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00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 3: My theme of when I ran was bright Hope because

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00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 3: it was the name of the church my grandmother attended

811
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: for seventy years in Philly. And so while like I

812
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 3: have my granddaughter on the back of my phone that

813
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Speaker 3: I carry all the time.

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Speaker 2: It gives me hope.

815
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Speaker 3: But the work in progress is to make sure that

816
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 3: while we're wearing all these different hats.

817
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Speaker 2: I would love to find love again.

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Speaker 3: My husband passed away in twenty fourteen, and he was

819
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 3: kind of the inspiration for running for Congress in the

820
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Speaker 3: first place. And I feel like I've been so busy

821
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Speaker 3: that I haven't thought about, you know, love. And it's

822
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 3: funny because when Alyssa and I sat down here, we

823
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 3: looked at all these colors and we said, we look

824
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 3: like a Valentine's sing up here. But but but but

825
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: but continuing to have bright hope and joy in this moment,

826
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Speaker 3: I think is such a superpower that all of us need,

827
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 3: because that's what's going to sustain us, that's what's gonna

828
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Speaker 3: make sure we make it through. And I keep telling

829
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Speaker 3: people that are coming up to me, hugging me, saying.

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Speaker 2: I'm praying for you.

831
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 3: Stay strong, I say the people, it's it's biblical. We're

832
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 3: in the fire, but we don't smell like smoke. We

833
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 3: are in the fire, but we do not and we

834
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 3: have all kinds.

835
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Speaker 2: Of things that we do to maintain.

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Speaker 5: But my work in progress is let's let's save this democracy,

837
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Speaker 5: let's save this planet, and uh, you know, and then

838
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 5: from there maybe I'll find love.

839
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Speaker 1: Let me tell you what this is why I love

840
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: this show and why I love this community, because we're

841
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: going to have a gaggle of women listening to this

842
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: and shout out to the men who listen to we

843
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: love you for being here. And we are going to

844
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: work on constituent education, we are going to work on

845
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: civic engagement, and we are going to play Cupid. And

846
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Speaker 1: I just like, I can't wait to see the dms

847
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: that come in from Delaware listeners that are like, oh

848
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: my god, my dad, oh my god, my uncle, Like

849
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Speaker 1: I actually.

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Speaker 4: Let's find Lisa Love. Let's find people.

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00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 3: Let's find Lisa Love Love.

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00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god. I love this. Ladies, thank you

853
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: so much. I just I really, I really mean it

854
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: when I say I look up to you both so much,

855
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: and I yeah, you're just You're wonderful as leaders and people,

856
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: and I feel really lucky that you know you're you're

857
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: in the fight. You talk about Hope being bright. I

858
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: sometimes I think about Hope as like a boxer, and

859
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, we're bloody, we lost a tooth, but

860
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: we're still getting up, like we're not going to give up.

861
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: We follow in the tradition of so many amazing women

862
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: who never gave up and we won't either, and that,

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00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: I think, reminding myself that it's also really bright is

864
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Speaker 1: a is a good work in progress assignment from the

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Speaker 1: two of you for me.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for that, Thank you, Thanks Sophia.

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Speaker 1: Thanks you have a wonderful rest of your day. Absolutely

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Speaker 1: thanks for being here.

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