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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called

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Speaker 1: the Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer

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Speaker 1: set the Shadow Johnson. Most importantly, you are you. You

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Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. How's my how's my prop? Comedy game?

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Speaker 1: Mon I'm not convinced that you are you Ben. You

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Speaker 1: can be anyone you want to be. Well, we're vast,

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Speaker 1: we contain multitudes, uh, for anyone who sees this on video,

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Speaker 1: I am rocking one of my favorite mask. This is

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Speaker 1: an aviat are that I use to do completely non

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Speaker 1: sketchy things, and today we're talking about something that people,

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Speaker 1: uh will tell you is completely non sketchy. But for

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Speaker 1: the purposes of today's episode, let me take off this

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Speaker 1: mask real ques before we move on. Are those blinks

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Speaker 1: to uh program any number of different symbols. Le's see

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Speaker 1: what else I get here. Yeah, it allows you to

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Speaker 1: It's okay, guys, it's me. I'm still here. Yeah, literally

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Speaker 1: tensing mask or something, or like one of those squid

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Speaker 1: on my face. Fashion. Just as a reminder and as

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Speaker 1: a framing for this episode, we are all talking to

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Speaker 1: each other via our computers, and we are looking at

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Speaker 1: video representations of one another, and we are not in

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Speaker 1: I'm actually just good looking. Oh no, don't beat yourself up. Well, look,

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Speaker 1: we're living in a digital world now, and if you

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Speaker 1: saw the title of today's episode, you probably heard the

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Speaker 1: shiniest new term that's been thrown around Silicon Valley. The metaverse,

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Speaker 1: not to be confused with the multiverse of various spiritual

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Speaker 1: belief systems and most recently of the Marvel universe. The

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Speaker 1: Another antecedent would be the Internet of Things, where all

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Speaker 1: all your devices were connected in a larger online agglomeration.

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Speaker 1: But very recently, everybody's favorite social media boogeyman, Facebook came

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Speaker 1: It's calling itself meta and it is a big proponent

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Speaker 1: when we're defining the metaverse. There is a guy I've

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Speaker 1: fan of the author, Neil Stevenson. Neil Stevenson wrote, has

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Speaker 1: an athem, shout out you know, seven eves. Uh, specifically,

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Speaker 1: It's important because we're looking at a hierarchy of requirements

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Speaker 1: You'll you'll see the metaverse referenced in many other works

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00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: the primary reasons both of those things flopped technological capabilities

427
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: aside is because it required people to get new gear,

428
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: and that's going to be very important. It had to

429
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: buy in right, and it had to buy in on

430
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: a specific non multifunctional thing, the brilliant thing about smartphones

431
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: and love them or hate them. One thing the creators

432
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: of smartphones did very well is they made the technology

433
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: multi functional. You know, now you're not now you're not

434
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: dropping hundreds or even thousands of dollars on this thing

435
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: that will let you play some games or this thing

436
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: that will make you know, uh, your favorite celebrities pop

437
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: a little closer to your face if you're standing at

438
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: the exact right spot in the right distance, uh, or

439
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 1: you know, make phone calls right what, we don't use

440
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: them for that, And I know I would pay my

441
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: I would pay my phone company and extra twenty a

442
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: month to say that the phone line was down. But man,

443
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: you've got that those companies doing that making a multi

444
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: functional piece of hardware, right. And then you've got other

445
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: companies that are not related who will basically pay you

446
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: to take their phone in a way because they have

447
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: these leasing situations where are you buy a uh what

448
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: a subscription with them essentially right to have service. And

449
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: then your phone is not eight hundred dollars or anymore,

450
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: it's only sixty seven nine every month, yeah, for like

451
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: you know, until you pay the phone off or but

452
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: then sometimes if you pay long enough, they'll roll it

453
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: over into the next new model and you don't even

454
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: have to pay off the other one. You can even

455
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: just send it back and then they either I don't

456
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: know how they want to what do what they do

457
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 1: with all those kind of refurbished them and resell them

458
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: my mages, but because they do have to have an

459
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: intact screen or whatever, but I'm I'm actually due for one.

460
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: But it is interesting the way they keep you in

461
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: the ecosystem, and it requires cooperation between the service provider

462
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: and the manufacturer, right, Yeah, And that's what we're talking about. Ultimately,

463
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: we're talking about team ups, possibly one of the largest

464
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: corporate team ups that has ever occurred. I do want

465
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: to point out that I recently got a new phone.

466
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: I ran my other one into the ground, and I

467
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: think everybody should keep a close eye on your phone

468
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: bill because these jokers tried to charge me thirty dollars

469
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: the phone company, and I didn't get the pay as

470
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: you go kind of model. I didn't like amortize the

471
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: cost over you know, two years or whatever. I just

472
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: bought a phone with cash because I'm cartoonishly paranoid, and

473
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: then they still charged me thirty dollars for me buying

474
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: a phone, which doesn't make sense. I'm gonna call him

475
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: after this anyway. The point is, uh, right now, there's

476
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: no universally accepted definition of a real world metaverse. And

477
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: that's not because people are trying to keep it a secret.

478
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: It's because this thing that everybody is talking about does

479
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: not yet exist. So where where does that leave us? Well,

480
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: it means that venture capitalists, the forward thinkers of the world,

481
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: the Silicon Valley pooh bahs, are all in a gold rush.

482
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: They are clamoring to be the authority here, to be

483
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: the one who tells you what the metaverse is, what

484
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: it's going to be, and why you should either love

485
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: it and adore it or be terrified and run from it.

486
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: And they want to do what you're talking about. Then

487
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: they want to build the platform on which the entire

488
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: thing is built. Because it doesn't exist yet, it's essentially

489
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: another Internet, like it's not like this, this is this

490
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: is a whole another set of servers and infrastructure that

491
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: will exist to serve this one purpose. And then I

492
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: guess you'd access the Internet Internet through this like other Internet.

493
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, you're absolutely on point there. I

494
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:06,959
Speaker 1: Another example I would think of is imagine, before moving pictures,

495
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: before film, the majority of visual media was still right.

496
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: It was either gonna be unless you were watching the

497
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: show live on stage. You were looking at a photograph,

498
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: a wood cut, a portrait, sculpture, things that didn't move.

499
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: This is like the move from still photo to video

500
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: to moving pictures. That's what's happening. It's more of the same.

501
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: So if you liked the stuff that was before, if

502
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: you liked you know, like a text based interface like

503
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: Twitter or a still picture based interface like Instagram, which

504
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: is changing now because they want everybody to watch short videos,

505
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: then if you like that, bully for you, because you're

506
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: getting even more of it. If you hated it, if

507
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: you had problems with what exists now, then you know

508
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna hate this other stuff too. Uh for our

509
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: purposes today. Uh, there's a great, I don't know, a

510
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: pretty solid definition that I found in a thing called

511
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: the Metaverse Primer written by a guy named Matthew Ball.

512
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: Matthew Ball is full disclosure a venture capitalist, which I know,

513
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: I know it's going to turn some people off. So

514
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: it's you know, is this like, are we reading A

515
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: review of Henhouse is written by a fox that's up

516
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: to you. Uh here's here's his definition though, and just

517
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: to give you a heads up, folks, he describes this

518
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: in utopian, pretty innocuous terms. The metaverse is an expansive

519
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: network of persistent, real time rendered three D worlds. Oh, Matt, Matt,

520
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, soft note, Um, you're so great with voices.

521
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: Could you make this guy like a little bit more

522
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: evil slash ominous, not not level ten villains like? Maybe

523
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: give him give him a six? Okay? Real time three

524
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: D worlds and simulations that support continuity of identity, objects, history, payments,

525
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: and entitlements, and can be experienced synchronously by an effectively

526
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: unlimited number of users, each with an individual sense of presents. Wow,

527
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: wonderful six. I don't know, man, you might have been

528
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: pushing into seven terrets right there at the end, with

529
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: the kind of moment that you don't don't want to

530
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: see a seven, don't want, don't don't handle a seven.

531
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: So right, it isn't And it's just for a little, um,

532
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: a little like a flip side context from somebody who's

533
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 1: more of an Internet he person, this guy, Mark pettit

534
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: Um who works for Epic Games is the company that

535
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: oversees Unreal Engine, which is like a three D Everyone

536
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 1: knows that like Unreal Engine is the three D creation

537
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: platform of choice for CG generation, for film and for

538
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: video games and all that. And I E E E right,

539
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: isn't that how we say it? I think someone I

540
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: TRIPLI that's what it is. Somebody yep, someone wrote in

541
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: and so that's how you say it. I prefer I

542
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: um annie who Mark Pettitt, When asked what is the metaverse,

543
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: he says, it's a hard question for me. It's the

544
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: evolution of the Internet. Is the fabric for our personal

545
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: and professionalizes with the Internet right now, you keep on

546
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: scrolling through video. We believe that the metaverse will bring

547
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: you uh into the era of interactive content, where you

548
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: have agency over the content and you can control it,

549
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: You can interact with it. You can ultimately immerse yourself

550
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: into the content and not just look at it through

551
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: a small window. The foundation is real time three D media,

552
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: whether those elements that got integrated into your existing environment

553
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: through augmented reality, or you immerse yourself with a virtual

554
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: reality headset into the content. All of that, it's a

555
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: consequence of the content being three D and interactive. Okay, yeah,

556
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: and that makes that makes sense too. I mr, hey,

557
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: Dr Vankman earned all right, we'll leave them. Well, he's

558
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: very into the metaverse, seth. Let us know if I

559
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: need to move him, if he's buried to lot. He

560
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: seems like he's having a good time. Can I add

561
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: just really cool before wait wait wait wait wait wait.

562
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: If you are listening to this in podcast form, please

563
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 1: go to YouTube right now you will see Ben's cat

564
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: Dr Vankman with pause on his shoulder. And it is

565
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 1: the cutest thing that I've seen. Like it's also staring

566
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: daggers at the camera right now, like he said, don't yeah, yeah,

567
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: you just wanted to add. That quote comes from a

568
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: discussion on I E. Spectrum Um about does the metaverse

569
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: need to be open in terms of neutral not owned

570
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: by a giant megalithic evil corporation, you know, or a

571
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: non evil corporation. Like the idea is this is a

572
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: thing we're ability from scratch. We have things in place

573
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: that make the Internet open. It's it's like, you know,

574
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: everyone gets access to the same Internet. There's no you know,

575
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: magic premium internet, you know, and there there were things

576
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: that were coming down the pike that were maybe going

577
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: to change that, but I don't believe they happened, um

578
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: to my understanding. Yeah, that's that's another That's another great debate.

579
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: And when I say great, I don't mean great is

580
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: in like awesome. I mean something that has immense significance. Yeah?

581
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: Who will again? Who will control the door? Who gets

582
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: to enter this new reality? Is this as slick and

583
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: fun and cool and progressive as the proponents and the

584
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: proselytizers want us to believe, not really say the critics. Instead,

585
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: they argue, this metaverse has the potential to add very

586
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: high octane fuel to the same problems humanity has always encountered,

587
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: only this time you won't be able to unplug. What

588
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: are we talking about? Should you fear the metaverse? We'll

589
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: dive in after word from our sponsors. Here's where it

590
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: gets crazy. Also, we we don't know who those sponsors

591
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: spots are, so how hilarious if it will be something

592
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: for the metaverse. The number one concern that you're gonna

593
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: hear a lot in popular media is not so much

594
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: the metaverse itself, but it's the creators of the metaverse.

595
00:37:55,200 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: Facebook Facebook ruined stuff. That's not a conspiracy theory. It's

596
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: true Facebook ruined stuff. Um. Many of those anti metaverse

597
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: critics are specifically concerned because of Facebook's involvement. It's the

598
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: same company that provably knowingly did dirt with Cambridge Analytic.

599
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: Check out that check out that episode. It is the

600
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: same company that bought out the Oculus VR system in

601
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: its early days. This is a long term play. This

602
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: is not Mark just waking up, you know what I mean? Uh,

603
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: although I like to imagine him waking up in like

604
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: a filthy room with a match a stained mattress on

605
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 1: the floor and just bottles of half empty Sweet Baby

606
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: Days like weird like Rabbit Ears TV with static on

607
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: it on the floor, you know. And of course he's

608
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: in a tank top and and he says, uh, he says,

609
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna do the metaverse. I'll announce it today. No,

610
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: he's been thinking about this for a while and people

611
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: that he pays to be smarter than him, which is

612
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: not an insult to him. He's a very smart guy.

613
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: But people he pays to be smarter than him have

614
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: also co signed this, and they're making a huge financial

615
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: push toward it Oculus. The purchase of Oculus is evident there. Uh.

616
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: And that was one of the things that turned me

617
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: off when Matt, when you and I were talking about Oculus,

618
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: because you got one first, and I remember I got

619
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: the box and I had done no research. I was

620
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: flying blind and I saw Facebook branded on there. Yeah.

621
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: You asked me about it, and I was like, oh, no,

622
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: they own it. It's theirs, you know. It was it

623
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: was about logging in. You're like, do I need to

624
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: create an Oculus accounts? Like, no, bro, it's it's Facebook. Yeah,

625
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: so I made another burner Facebook accounts. That's how I

626
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: got on it this morning. But this is also the

627
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: same company that controversially builds ghost profiles of people who

628
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: never started a Facebook account. They're playing the Kevin Bacon

629
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: connection game that you know. Uh. State Surveillance also plays.

630
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: What do we mean by ghost profile? Well, let's say

631
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: our pal set the shadow does not have a Facebook profile.

632
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: Not only does he not have one, now he never

633
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 1: started one, but he knows Matt, and he knows Nol

634
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: and he knows Ben and those folks all have some

635
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: kind of presence on there, and they have unknowingly granted

636
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: this company access to other pieces of their online information.

637
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Speaker 1: So Facebook can very easily say these three guys have

638
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Speaker 1: texted this person, or they have spoken with this person

639
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: through some way, they've emailed them, etcetera. And they'll aggregate

640
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 1: enough information that they can build a profile such that

641
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: if set the Shadow has a change of heart and

642
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: he creates a Facebook profile, it'll already be waiting. He

643
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: won't have to build the car, He'll just have to

644
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: hop in. Everything is already set up. As a matter

645
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: of fact, his first three suggested friends are going to

646
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: be noll than Matt and someone like me. And they

647
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: also have his avatar pre built because we posted pictures

648
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: of Seth the Shadow Facebook profile. And if it's a

649
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: new account, he won't have the same control over privacy

650
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: that older accounts did. Like if you ever go to

651
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: Facebook profiles and you notice you can't request someone as

652
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: a friend or something like that, then it's because they

653
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: were smart enough to opt out of some of the

654
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: things that Facebook would later turn into prerequisites or mandates

655
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: for a profile. So all the same people don't trust Facebook.

656
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: Makes sense, there are good reasons not to trust it. Uh,

657
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: It is like to smoke meats he's just like us,

658
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: not to trust. Look at look into his weirdly enlarged eyes.

659
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: They didn't always look like that. I'm no shade anybody

660
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: getting a little work done. But I felt like it

661
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: was just like the guy kind of mutated into something

662
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: else over time, Like he used to be a scrappy

663
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 1: college kid, and now he's like his neck is longer

664
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: or something like, something about his whole vibe has changed.

665
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: I think I think he's been replaced by some sort

666
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: of weird alien clone. That's my theory. No, he's an avatar.

667
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: There we go. There's also only Zool. Yeah, yes, whenever

668
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to clown people on physical

669
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: appearance or whatever, because everybody has their own story that

670
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: they're living through. But whenever you see someone who is

671
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: very wealthy in their appearance seems to change revolve over time.

672
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: You don't beat yourself up, don't be like, hey, why

673
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: is this guy a billionaire and in good shape? It's

674
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: because they have a team of people they have hired

675
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: two make their body that way, not necessarily through surgery,

676
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: but you know, like like the Marvel universe, does you

677
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: know you have a dietitian? You have a nutritionist. You

678
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: have a physical trainer, and they're each specialist in that field.

679
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: So that is an advantage that they have. They are

680
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: not doing all that work on their own. How do

681
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: they make your face more oblong? I don't understand that, bro,

682
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: what what? What's the workout for that? It's called a

683
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: face whisperer? Uh. They just whisper at your face. It's

684
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: from the same guy in Japan who invented the lickable

685
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: uh computer screen. So we're just gonna accept that way

686
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 1: and yes, and our way out of it. So yeah,

687
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: Facebook has it does have a terrible track record. Whether

688
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: you're a fan of it or whether you hate it,

689
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: it does have a record of pushing boundaries and then

690
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: bending laws and then later Paulina like, oh hey, what's

691
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 1: a big deal? Call gross? What's a big deal? Uh?

692
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,280
Speaker 1: And that's it acts as though it was not aware

693
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: of the problems it was creating or exacerbating. And is

694
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: that a good faith argument? I wouldn't say, probably not,

695
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: but that's that's just my opinion. I mean, Ben, you

696
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: talk about all the people that are smarter than zuckerbir

697
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: that he pays to be smarter than you. Don't have

698
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: a company like that, an organization like that where they

699
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: don't know pretty much every in and out of the

700
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: stuff they're doing, and the and the ripples that they're making. Uh.

701
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: Sometimes I think they just make the decision to keep

702
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: doing it and exploiting it because it probably means more

703
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: traffic for them. And then they're like, we'll deal with

704
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: this when it comes to a head. And then they

705
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: do sort of or make a sort of blanket pr

706
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, um acknowledgement of said problem. And then well,

707
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: of course a million percent. But I'm just saying, like,

708
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: what what came of that? I just felt like he

709
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: was bulletproof in those in those proceedings, you know, and

710
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: they make some good points. They ask him something along

711
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: the lines of like, would you please tell us what

712
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 1: hotel you date out last night? He declined to do that, um,

713
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: And then he said, could you please tell me the

714
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: names of the last five people that you text message?

715
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: He goes, no, I would not like to do that

716
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: in this form. He's like, well, I think you see

717
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: the the issue that I'm driving. I forget what, um

718
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: what lawmaker was questioning him in that, But that's kind

719
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: of what we're talking about here. It's I do as

720
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: I say, not as I do. Yeah, I I just

721
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: really quickly, guys, I want to send everyone over to YouTube.

722
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: Check out Vice News System Error. It's a video called

723
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: why you should be Worried about Facebook's Metaverse. It's a

724
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 1: fairly short video, but it really goes into detail these

725
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: things we're speaking on right now, the reasons why Facebook

726
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: may not be the best company to lead us all

727
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: into the metaverse. And it really gives you the reasons

728
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: that we're we're outlining right now. Yeah, yeah, And it's

729
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 1: important to be aware of these reasons, and we don't

730
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: want to be unfair to Facebook. That's not necessarily a

731
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: hit piece. But these things are all true, they have

732
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: been proven and there in several cases they're not necessarily illegal. Why.

733
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: It's not because they're shiny examples of nobility and proper

734
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: morals or ethics. It's because Facebook and the things that

735
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: Facebook does are too big and too new in many

736
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: cases to be regulated by existing systems. You can't write

737
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: laws for things you don't understand. Uh despite you know,

738
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 1: despite the careers of many politicians. Uh So, these criticisms

739
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: of Facebook, they are valid, but they run the risk

740
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: of missing a much bigger picture. And even Facebook is

741
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: upfront about this, weirdly upfront about it. UH. They see

742
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: the metaverse as something bigger than Facebook. They call it

743
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: an embodied Internet quote unquote, and they think it encompasses

744
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: more than just a Facebook avatar. It's an agglomeration of

745
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: multiple entities. One of the best examples of this for

746
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: analogy is the global trade system. You've heard a lot

747
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: about it, UH during the pandemic. No one government built it,

748
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: No one private entity built it. Multiple governments, multiple corporations,

749
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: and some private powerful individuals created parts of it, and

750
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 1: then those parts connected and they form what we call

751
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 1: the global supply chain. No one entity is in charge

752
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: of the global supply chain. There are a ton of stakeholders.

753
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: They often have contradictory goals. But the thing itself, the

754
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: entire thing, exists. It is an entity, and it is

755
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: an entity bigger than any of its one contributors. And

756
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: that's what Facebook sees the this idea of a metaverse,

757
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: as they see it as like there is a Facebook land,

758
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,280
Speaker 1: there is a Twitter land. There is like your local

759
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: government land. You know. You can go to the UH

760
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: to the Fulton County Public Library, part of the metaverse

761
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: and you can sit there on your oculus and you

762
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: can read uh limbs or something like that. But this, uh,

763
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: the difference I would argue with Facebook is that they

764
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: don't want to be just uh land that you visit.

765
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: They want to be the owner of your avatar. So

766
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: it's your Facebook avatar traveling to the Fulton County Public Library.

767
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: It's your Facebook avatar that is waiting a virtual line

768
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: at the d m V, which is still gonna happen.

769
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: It's hilarious. You'll be in your living room, but you're

770
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: still gonna like lose several hours trying to navigate the

771
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: virtual d MV. Sure I have a question. I mean,

772
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be Facebook. They could do it,

773
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: take a big swing at it, and then if somebody

774
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: else comes along and does a better job, then that's

775
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: gonna be the one that people grab a tate towards.

776
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: I don't see this as an all or nothing approach.

777
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: It's building a new thing. Like there's already this thing

778
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: called decentral land that is like a kind of a

779
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: crypto um uh you know metaverse kind of space where

780
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: people buy parcels of land, you know, um that are

781
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: n f T s. Essentially there's non fungible tokens that

782
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: we all love so dearly. Um, And it raised a

783
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: whole lot of money. And it is like kind of

784
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,959
Speaker 1: this community. It's got like a shopping district. It looks

785
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: like a Harzuku kind of vibe, you know, like Japan. Um.

786
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: It's got all of these different kind of areas and

787
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: it is kind of picking up a lot of steam

788
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: and it you know, there's a lot of in world

789
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: purchase opportunities and people can display their n f t

790
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: s and galleries and all of that stuff. And it

791
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: raised quite a bit of money. But my thing is like, yeah, Facebook,

792
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: sure that this is what they're going after, but it

793
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that is the metaverse if it doesn't take off,

794
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: like somebody else can still do it if it doesn't

795
00:49:55,640 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: exist yet. Right, yes, yeah, the odds are staff against

796
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: that newcomer though. Uh, just like politics, being an incumbent

797
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: gives you an edge. Right, So Facebook already has as

798
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: we've proven, Facebook has been building the infrastructure of this

799
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: for some time. Uh, don't ever confuse a public announcement

800
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: with a new development, right, they're just going public. Yeah,

801
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: but but here's another danger, like beyond Facebook. You make

802
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: a great point. It doesn't have to be Facebook. It

803
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: could be something else. It could potentially be the five

804
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: of us on the show today, US three and Seth

805
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: and you're listening at home. We could team up and

806
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: we could just make a new thin, you know, and

807
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: you know, we'll just call it um a snow crash

808
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: and somehow won't get sued. And then we could be

809
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: the people who owned the door, who owned that avatar.

810
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: But that's probably I don't know. It's like the odds

811
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: are stacked against anybody who is not Facebook in a

812
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: in a real way. But the bigger threat, other than,

813
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 1: you know, whatever you might think about Facebook's rap sheet

814
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 1: and its track record, the bigger threat is that real life,

815
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: real life, non metaverse life is going to continue. It

816
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: has to for now, but it may become increasingly ancillery,

817
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: increasingly like um, increasingly supplemental. Like people may be popping

818
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,959
Speaker 1: out of this virtual system just so they can eat,

819
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: you know, they'll drink their soilent or their huel or whatever.

820
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: They'll have a quick poop and then they'll be plugged

821
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: back in. Actually, no, now that I think about it, No, No,

822
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: we know humanity too well. You need to assume that

823
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: when you meet people in the Veta verse in real life,

824
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: they might be pooping. Yeah. Well, I feel like that

825
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: the future of this is going to evolve into chairs

826
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: that have a built in toilet so you don't ever

827
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: have to get up and uh some kind of drip

828
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: you know solution, so you really can just kind of,

829
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, keep going. And the thing is that taken

830
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: to the extreme, taking away taken to the extreme, you

831
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: can see how kind of creepy and scary this stuff

832
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: could be. We also know about like what do they

833
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: call ben the um. I mentioned this all the time

834
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: and I can never remember what they're called. There's a

835
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: subset of Japanese kind of gamer shut ins Hikiko Mori.

836
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: That's the one um there. There's a really um if

837
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: you're familiar with the music artist music artists and like

838
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: a grandpapa uh on a tricks point never he's got

839
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: a music video that has a lot of footage or

840
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: stills um of of these individuals, and it's it's really disturbing.

841
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: There's like, you know, che I mean that sounds like

842
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm making a joke about nerds, but there's like cheeto dust,

843
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, between the keys of the keyboard and like

844
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: just like trash everywhere, and it's like this really kind

845
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: of squalor kind of situation. That's what happens when you're

846
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: jacked in all the time and you don't take care

847
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: of like life stuff and like business, You're gonna become

848
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: atrophied and malnourished. And there are people that could get

849
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: addicted to this experience and feel like they need anything else.

850
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: And then we're gonna like, you know, the neighbors are

851
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: gonna smell a funny smell, like the cops are gonna

852
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: show up, and there's gonna be a body all atrophied,

853
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: like in seven with a you know VR helmets trapped

854
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: on definitely needs some kind of in VR like warning

855
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 1: it's time to jack off. Oh sorry, it's kind of sorry.

856
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: Keep it, keep it up, keeping up. That's part of

857
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: the next story. Actually, we haven't got to the jack

858
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: off the metaverse jack off story, I know, but it's

859
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: just so funny. It's time, it's time, it's time off.

860
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: There we go yes, yes, uh to jack. So this

861
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: is this is important because we now have bigger questions

862
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 1: about every Everything we're mentioning leads to something else. That's

863
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: that's the problem. This is a byzantine situation. It's complex

864
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: to Gordian not. And if you recall the solution to

865
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: the Gordian Knot in the old old story, uh yeah,

866
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: it's not right. It's not. It's not to untangle, it's

867
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: not it's too cut the thing and lose the rope

868
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: to solve the problem. It's burning the village to save

869
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: the village. And that is where we're getting to. I

870
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: always think of that Jeff Goldblum line from Jurassic Park.

871
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: You spent so much time wondering if you could, you

872
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: never stop to think if you should. And I do

873
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: propose that people. If if you're not familiar with the

874
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: story of the Gordian Knot, it's it's a quick read.

875
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: Just check it out, um, and and imagine how this

876
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: might apply here in We're gonna pause for word from

877
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Speaker 1: our sponsor. We're gonna return, and we're gonna talk about

878
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: some of the things that even the critics aren't really

879
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: mentioning as often as they should. And we're back. So

880
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:13,439
Speaker 1: we said, the idea of real life becomes potentially more

881
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: and more supplemental to the stuff you really want to do,

882
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 1: to the place where your mind really lives. You're going

883
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: to like, Um, there's a thing that happens with a

884
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: lot of people in the game Tetris. If you play

885
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: Tetris for a long time, you start to your brain

886
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: starts to keep playing it. Right. And I don't know

887
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: if this guy has ever happened to you, guys, or

888
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: anybody listening, But when you're really into a game like Tetris,

889
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: you will. If you play for a number of hours

890
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,919
Speaker 1: over the course of several days, then you'll find your

891
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: mind just sort of gaming out the concept of Tetris.

892
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: When you're idle, you know what I mean. You close

893
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: your eyes, you're falling asleep, and and all of a sudden,

894
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: your last waking thought is I'm waiting for that one

895
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: long block so I can get a Tetris. Uh that

896
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: that just speaks to how efficient and beautifully designed the

897
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: game is. But that same thing will happen here, can

898
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: I say? Really, I've been playing a lot of Tetris lately,

899
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: and I learned to think it's a game changer. You

900
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: can reserve a piece in the newer versions where you can,

901
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: like you say, you got a piece queued up, you

902
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: can put that and save it and then recall it later.

903
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 1: That's a it's a game changing addition, um, literally, but god,

904
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: I let you're right, there's so few things have changed

905
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: about that game because it's so elegantly designed that it

906
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: just like stands the test of time. Well, this, so,

907
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: this is what I want to bring up, and I

908
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 1: think it's related here, guys, the concept that I have

909
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: a ton of work to do for my job. I

910
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: have even more work I need to do here in

911
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: my house for my life. The only thing I want

912
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: to do when I've completed the time I need to

913
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: spend on work is to go into one of these

914
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: virtual worlds like Minecraft and build some stuff. And I

915
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: already have that inside me, you know. And I'm in

916
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: my late thirties, and I'm just imagining the younger generation

917
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: that's coming along, that's had cell phones the entire time

918
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: they've been growing up, you know, these interactive screens that

919
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: they can hang out with and do all kinds of

920
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: endless things on. I'm imagining those minds interacting with whatever

921
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: this metaverse truly becomes, right the the final version, um,

922
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: and just what you're talking about, there been the like

923
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: pull of that because of the overwhelming nature of sometimes

924
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: life and often life, and I I I'm I'm horrified

925
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: that seriously that kids and just you know, once they

926
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: become adults, will spend most of their time inside that space.

927
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is part of it. Okay, So this

928
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: is why I really want to get to. This is

929
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: what I hope fellow conspiracy realists. I hope that when

930
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: you were in conversations about this, whether you're talking to

931
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: us about this episode, whether you're talking to your friends,

932
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: your loved ones, whether you're talking to strangers in the

933
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: metaverse about the metaverse, why not. I I hope you

934
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: bring this point to the forefront. This is a new

935
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: horizon of inequality. That's why mentioning the hierarchy of requirements

936
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: not to thrive in this new reality, to simply exist

937
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: in it, That's why I'm mentioning those requirements is so important.

938
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: What happens when the bulk of your activity takes place online?

939
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: You work online, you work remotely. That's what we call

940
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: it now. How long before people just call it working? Uh?

941
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: You know, your friendships are with people you have never met,

942
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: but you know everything about them, You feel very close.

943
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: This happens with gaming all the time. There's a reason

944
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: that there's such a trope or a meme about having

945
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: a friends say there will be right back, and they're

946
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: logging off and you never hear about them again, and

947
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: it can be very sad and poignant. What happens with

948
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: your romantic endeavors, right, what you you meet the person

949
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: that you are convinced is the love of your life.

950
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: You think they're somewhere in Malaysia, but you're not sure

951
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: because you will only hang out in you know, the

952
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: Facebook chat room. Uh. And this also another game changer

953
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: up there with reserving a peace and Tetris will be

954
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: normalized haptic feedback gear, which, of course that's cool to me.

955
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: Whose for sex, of course it is cool to you

956
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,479
Speaker 1: now the haptic feedback Yes, of course you can porn

957
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: arize just about anything, but the haptic feedback stuff is fascinating.

958
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: Um for the implications like in you know, people with disabilities,

959
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: for example, there's they're even like developing technology where you

960
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: can literally do stuff with your mind. Man, right, like

961
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: the guy who tweeted using the powers brain, which we

962
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: talked about in earlier Strange News segment. Yeah, this and

963
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought this up for for the potent

964
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: child to combat able is um. This could be a

965
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: profound development. Right now, people who could not travel to

966
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: a place, or could not interact with the world in

967
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: a way they wanted to, they may well be able to.

968
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: There There is to be clear enormous potential here. But

969
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: the potential is for good and is for evil. What

970
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: happens in this world to the people who don't have

971
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: access to this shining new realm. What happens to the

972
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: currently fort or so of the people on the planet

973
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: who don't have Internet access. What happens to the people

974
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: left behind? No one's really talking about that in corporate boardrooms.

975
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: They're talking about how excited they are, And they're excited, uh,

976
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: once you get past all the pr terms for the

977
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: profit potential, because that's what corporations are built to do.

978
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: They're not built to worry about who gets left behind

979
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: in the wake. Maybe the people that get left behind

980
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: are ultimately the real winners because they get like, you know,

981
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: the whole park to themselves, you know, and like and

982
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: everyone else is jacked into the VR and then they're

983
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: in their weird, smelly apartments and these people that like

984
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: decided not to opt in or outside breathing fresh air.

985
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: This also assumes we're not in a dystopian hellscape, which

986
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: this will certainly help with. That's kind of what Ready

987
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 1: Player one is all about, right, Like the the world

988
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: has become unlivable, Therefore the only way to truly kind

989
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: of experience joy is in this metaverse. Yeah, yeah, it's true.

990
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: And and also let me just point out again, I

991
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: feel like I say this on a regular basis these days.

992
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: Sesame credits started as an opt in system. What's what's

993
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: going to happen when you have to have some avatar

994
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: to exist in the rest of the world. Like you

995
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,439
Speaker 1: can't go to the d m V Like you're saying, yeah, yeah,

996
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: you can't drive, well, cars will be driverless, etcetera. But

997
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: like you can't get on the train because you have

998
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: to be able to pay a train for a train ticket,

999
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: and you can't buy the ticket without your avatar traveling

1000
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: to you know, the New York City Metro Transit Authority

1001
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: and subscribing to the train service. You can't just show

1002
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: up with cash. That is going to happen. People are

1003
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: going to be left behind and in their defense in

1004
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: the defense of the Ivory Tower, as usual, same as

1005
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: a devil was. Numerous academics have been raising red flags

1006
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: about this for a long, long, long, long long time,

1007
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: and they have been roundly ignored by private entities, the

1008
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: world's largest tech companies, Microsoft, Google, Apple, you name it.

1009
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: They're hurtling headlong into creating the metaverse. They're pouring money

1010
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: into it, and they are ignoring valid, serious concerns, and

1011
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: they are ignoring dangerous possibilities, like we can see again

1012
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: that clear potential for new type of inequality. The unplugged person. Right,

1013
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: they're at a disadvantage. They're like the non genetically modified

1014
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: protagonist of gatica spoiler alert. We can also see that

1015
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: people are going to I don't know. I read this

1016
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: great New York Times article that talks about it. Gives

1017
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: us a specific example of what we're talking about earlier,

1018
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: which is that this will likely accelerate the same negative

1019
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: traits of humanity that have followed the species like a

1020
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: shadow since the first day. Uh. The New York Times piece.

1021
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: I just pulled an excerpt from this. It's a retelling

1022
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: of an unpleasant experience using oculus. And to that's earlier point,

1023
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: you know, man, there there's some there's some great journalistic

1024
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: pieces of people just basically hanging out on an oculus.

1025
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: Uh And this New York Time species primarily about the

1026
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: future of harassment, because just as we know reproductive urges

1027
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: and sexual desires drive a lot of new technology, people

1028
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: are gonna as soon as someone invents a shiny new toy,

1029
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 1: someone else is going to find a way to be

1030
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: a jerk about it or to use it to be

1031
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: a horrible person. Well, here it is coinciding with a

1032
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: younger audience or younger users who are maybe going through

1033
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: puberty at the time, which you know, the biological process

1034
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: where a lot of those urges and thoughts and desires develop.

1035
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: And many of the people you'll encounter, as I have

1036
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: in attempting to use an oculus too and go just

1037
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: try out various games and things, there are just younger

1038
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: people in there and they're being gross often, and honestly,

1039
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: it made me just take the thing off, and I

1040
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: don't I didn't really want to be in a lot

1041
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 1: of the places that I could access, at least currently

1042
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: through my oculus because of that. Yeah. Yeah, And here's

1043
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: the exactly and here's the example. Uh um, New York Times.

1044
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: I want to introduce you to Chanelle Siggins. Chanelle Siggins

1045
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 1: is in her twenties at the time, and the story

1046
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: early twenties, and the quote goes Siggins recently strapped on

1047
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: Inoculous Quest Virtual reality, had set to play her favorite

1048
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: shooter game, Population One. I haven't played it here good Things.

1049
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: Once she turned on the game, she maneuvered her avatar

1050
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: into a virtual lobby in the immersive digital world, ak

1051
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: the metaverse, and waiting for the action to begin. As

1052
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: she waited, another player's avatar approached hers trigger, warning this

1053
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 1: little graphic. The stranger then simulated groping and ejaculating onto

1054
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: her avatar, said Siggins. She was shocked, and she asked

1055
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: the player whose avatar presented his mail to stop doing that,

1056
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And then, per Siggins, he

1057
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: shrugged as if to say, I don't know what to

1058
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: tell you. It's a metaverse. I'll do what I want,

1059
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 1: and he just walked away. That's just gonna That's gonna

1060
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: continue happening because people do grows stuff, especially when they

1061
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: feel that there are new consequences and they're not going

1062
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 1: to be consequences because the laws don't exist. The laws

1063
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 1: were built for an analog world and do not therefore

1064
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: have the scope now to fully comprehend and address the

1065
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: dangers of reality online. And to be very I mean,

1066
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 1: you know, reality and the metaverse kind of mirror one another.

1067
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: I mean you that could just as likely have happened,

1068
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: like in a subway station in New York City as

1069
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 1: as as in a you know, a digital thing with

1070
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: just as few consequences, potentially if there's no cops around

1071
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 1: to to, you know, catch the guy that did it. Um.

1072
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: So we know, things like that really do happen, and

1073
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: it's it's part of the gamble that you make when

1074
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: just going out into the world, Like weird creeps are

1075
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: out there and things can happen. I would imagine there

1076
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: are probably safeguards, you know, ideally in place for a

1077
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: larger metaverse kind of situation that would you know, allow

1078
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: you to maybe interact with certain people or like or whatever. Yeah,

1079
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: like there will be some equivalent of blocking, surely, but

1080
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: we don't know how it will work out, because again,

1081
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: the thing that people are trying to sell you right

1082
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: now doesn't exist. The pieces are there, right but but

1083
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: picked it's like if you were going to buy a house,

1084
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 1: what you're seeing is a bunch of people standing in

1085
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 1: the yard saying this house is gonna be awesome. You

1086
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: should buy it. One we own the door, and two

1087
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: we haven't built it yet. Right, so we've just built

1088
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: the door. But we have all the we have all

1089
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: the stuff we need. We've met our hierarchy of requirements.

1090
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: There is allowed no. We have an f a Q

1091
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: and that's that. That counts. But also don't read the

1092
01:07:52,360 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 1: terms of services. We have, Yeah, and we have we

1093
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: have we have access to everything you've ever done. Been

1094
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: speaking of buying a house. I'm so sorry to keep

1095
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: going here. We haven't even talked about the the actual

1096
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: economy of the metaverse itself. And I mentioned the central

1097
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 1: land a little bit, which is sort of like a

1098
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: proto type for this, but where you can buy digital

1099
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 1: assets using a lot of this is gonna be based

1100
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 1: on around blockchain. That's exactly what I gonna bring up.

1101
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: The emergence of blockchain, the popularity of blockchain, and the hype,

1102
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: specifically the hype by venture capitalists and other corporations that

1103
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,600
Speaker 1: are trying to say this is the new thing. This

1104
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: these crypto coins, this is the new thing. It's real,

1105
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: it's awesome, you're gonna love it. It's gonna work. Combining

1106
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: that with Facebook and the metaverse and the ability to

1107
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 1: control an entire economy and currency. Like, think about the

1108
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:56,600
Speaker 1: power that the United States wields and has had in

1109
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 1: its power because it controls the US dollar and what

1110
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: that dollar is t To combine those two things, I mean,

1111
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: there is a real there's real danger there, I think

1112
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:11,799
Speaker 1: in for the real world. Yeah, yeah, And there's again again,

1113
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 1: the the existing regimes, the existing legal structures have never

1114
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: had to think about this, you know what I mean.

1115
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: And those things take a long time with a lot

1116
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: of false starts, just like with any other kind of innovation,

1117
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 1: they take a long time, a lot of false starts

1118
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 1: to get something right, and they're almost certainly not going

1119
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: to get it right by the time they need to do.

1120
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: So these these laws will be written after the fact,

1121
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,799
Speaker 1: the equivalent of the of the people who will stop

1122
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 1: someone from assaulting some some other person in the metaverse.

1123
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 1: They're gonna come like years after they were needed. And

1124
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: and I love I want to go back to something

1125
01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: you brought up, guys, So I just thought experiments. I

1126
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,679
Speaker 1: know we're running along on this episode, but this stuff

1127
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: is very important. Let's say you are an Internet native,

1128
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 1: that's what you were describing earlier, Matt, someone who has

1129
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: grown up around screens, mobile screens, computer screens, television screens,

1130
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: you name it, anything but window screens really until window

1131
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 1: technology improves. Maybe you were born during the pandemic and

1132
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 1: as a result of that, especially for anybody who who

1133
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: had a kid in the past two years, your kid,

1134
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: the bulk of their interaction with the wider world has

1135
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 1: always been virtual. It is normal. They're growing up a

1136
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 1: stride to increasingly separate realities, virtual jobs, virtual friends, virtual vacations.

1137
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 1: Is that inherently bad? No, No, we're not ludites, were

1138
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 1: not anti technology, but we are asking important questions. What

1139
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:56,600
Speaker 1: happens to those kids when the power goes out? What

1140
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 1: happens when the Internet goes down? What happens when a

1141
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 1: corona mass ejection blind sides part of the world and

1142
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 1: everybody who is, you know, dependent upon this new fabricated

1143
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 1: reality suddenly finds themselves outside what was then little stickman line,

1144
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 1: back to the basics, outside the matrix, tanktop, sweatpantcil A six. Yeah,

1145
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 1: but that's very nice, man, But but seriously, what what

1146
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 1: happens when there's another viral, viral infection or some kind

1147
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:35,680
Speaker 1: of communical disease that becomes a pandemic and spreads the

1148
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 1: next one, the next ten. Uh, and it is way

1149
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: more dangerous to physically travel somewhere to do anything like

1150
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,919
Speaker 1: like exactly what we already experienced. We already know a birthday,

1151
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 1: holiday celebration, a New Year's Eve party, concert, a comedy show,

1152
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: any of that. What happens when it's way more dangerous

1153
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: to do that than it is to go virtually to

1154
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 1: something like you know what that feels like? Man? You

1155
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 1: know that's when I'm saying we've only gone through one,

1156
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: and like, what if the air quality gets worse and

1157
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: worse and worse and it's physically dangerous to travel outside

1158
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 1: your door. I think those kind of dystopian predictions figure

1159
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: largely into the buy ind by these massive corporations. I

1160
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: think they're looking at the big picture and the future,

1161
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 1: which is pretty bleak potentially, right yep. And let's let's uh,

1162
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 1: let's add to the fire a little bit. We'll give

1163
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 1: a slight reassurance at the end of today's episode, but

1164
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 1: to add to the fire, and this is something that

1165
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 1: a lot of us in the audience today, we're waiting

1166
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: to hear what happens when neural implants come into the game.

1167
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: Hands are going to be old school. You're going to

1168
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 1: be telling people to generations from now that you used

1169
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: to use your hands to type on a keyboard, and

1170
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 1: they're gonna be like, wow, that's so quaint. Because the

1171
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: the other goal of this when I talked about making

1172
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 1: it impossible to unplug, the other goal of this is

1173
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 1: to bring the metaverse physically inside you. Literally. That's that's

1174
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: what the La Musk of the world are planning to do,

1175
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 1: and that, again has enormous potential because technology is amoral.

1176
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 1: It's not immoral, it has no inherent good or bad. Uh,

1177
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 1: Like a gun itself is not a villain, and neither

1178
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 1: is fire or a wheel. But the people who are

1179
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 1: lighting the fires and shooting the guns and rolling the

1180
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 1: wheels that's historically the problem. So hey, Grandpa, you used

1181
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 1: your eyes to look at a screen to That blows

1182
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: my mind. That's going to be weird. I always think

1183
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: of that scene in Back to the Future too with

1184
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 1: Lil Elijah Wood where Marty McFly goes into the retro

1185
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, eighties dinna ar or whatever and does his

1186
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 1: soul like you know video games shoot him up kind

1187
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 1: of thing and then flips the gun around. The kids

1188
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 1: goes you have to use your hands or something like that.

1189
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,560
Speaker 1: I always thought that was very interesting and very appropriate

1190
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 1: to this kind of conversation. Okay, so now that we

1191
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: have scared the virtual pants out of everyone and we didn't, Yes,

1192
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: that's the next thing is the neural in pants? It's

1193
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: neural impants. Yes. Uh so uh, now we can hopefully

1194
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 1: put a bit of reassurance your way. We can put

1195
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: a bit of solve on this cognitive wound. There is

1196
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 1: a good chance there is a non zero chance that

1197
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 1: this current push is just gonna flop. It's just gonna

1198
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: fall flat. And it's honestly that's mainly because of the

1199
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 1: gear required. People will have to buy new stuff, right

1200
01:14:54,520 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 1: uh and until that purchasing becomes normalized or subsidized. Like

1201
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: our earlier point about the phone system in the US,

1202
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: it was a calculated move to get more people buying stuff,

1203
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 1: to enable them to buy things that they normally would

1204
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:20,680
Speaker 1: not be able to afford and perhaps not inclined to

1205
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: buy into. But this that's video game companies historically take

1206
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:31,759
Speaker 1: a loss on their consoles, which is the game exactly exactly,

1207
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 1: or the same way printer manufacturers take a loss on

1208
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 1: their printers because they know they're gonna get you on

1209
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 1: the hook for life with their ink. Just so, yes,

1210
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 1: this is an old tactic and it's very effective, and

1211
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: the strategy for deploying the metaverse and getting you inside

1212
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 1: that door, it's going to mimic the same steps in

1213
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 1: in a in what might be portrayed as a surprising way,

1214
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 1: but it's really not anyone who is acting like, oh

1215
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: whoa stopping. They are either they either don't know what

1216
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 1: they're talking about or they're purposely misleading you. But this

1217
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 1: so again, this current push may fail, but the important

1218
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 1: parts remember is not that the important parts remember is

1219
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 1: the current push is only the current push. If it

1220
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 1: does fail, it's not going to fail the way three

1221
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 1: D television failed. It's going to fail the way that

1222
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 1: early soda companies failed. There's still going to be people

1223
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:27,879
Speaker 1: who want to be Coke, who want to be Pepsi,

1224
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: and they will exist. The metaverse is on the way.

1225
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 1: So at this point, you know, we have to say

1226
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 1: this episode, this concept is something we have to revisit

1227
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 1: because it is an ongoing event. It's unfolding, So the

1228
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: information we uncover this time next year maybe radically different

1229
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 1: and may indeed alter our collective opinion of this stuff.

1230
01:16:55,640 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 1: But but right now, Matt Knell, uh, what do you

1231
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: what do you guys think before we before we hand

1232
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 1: us off to our fellow conspiracy realist, I'm distracted because

1233
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: Dr Bankman is being adorable again on your screen. Yeah,

1234
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 1: it's like he's like a living scarf. I don't know, man,

1235
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: I feel the same way about it as I did

1236
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 1: about Twitter, but then I was totally proven wrong about that. Um,

1237
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 1: I think this is different because it's not. It is

1238
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 1: very similar stuff we've seen. It's just kind of an

1239
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: escalation of it, and it really does require a buy in.

1240
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 1: And we've seen, you know, attempts to get oculuses and

1241
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 1: all that stuff saturated and it hasn't happened. It's more

1242
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 1: like a novelty. Um. But you guys both have one,

1243
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 1: so you start to really feel that saturation when like

1244
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 1: everyone you know has the thing, and you know, we're

1245
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: friends with a certain type of folks that are maybe

1246
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,679
Speaker 1: a little more tech savvy, and early adopters probably always

1247
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 1: think it's interesting the word adoption is used when it

1248
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 1: comes to technology. UM, so maybe we're a skewed a

1249
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 1: little bit, but I don't know. Um, you're right. I

1250
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 1: mean they Facebook owns Oculus, they own you know, they

1251
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: are now meta. They obviously know something that we sort

1252
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 1: of know, maybe some things that we don't. So I

1253
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: don't know. It's a pretty big, bold choice for a

1254
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 1: company of that size to make without having the data

1255
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 1: to back up that it's going to be a success. Yeah, guys,

1256
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:23,640
Speaker 1: I know we're going extra long. I just had to

1257
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:27,839
Speaker 1: express a few things really fast, and for this episode

1258
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:31,719
Speaker 1: has filled me with existential dread. Unlike many other episodes

1259
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 1: that we've done, there have been a few such as

1260
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 1: coronal mass ejections. Um, I had to after researching and

1261
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 1: watching a bunch of stuff, I had to squeegee my

1262
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,560
Speaker 1: mind a bit. I watched a YouTube video from Forgotten

1263
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:47,839
Speaker 1: Shine Restoration where the person restores a cleaver but physically

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Speaker 1: doesn't goes through all the processes, just to remind me

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Speaker 1: that you can have physical, real world skills and achieve

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Speaker 1: something awesome like that, Uh, just by learning how to

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Speaker 1: do it in this plane and then actually physically doing it.

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Speaker 1: Because I was just watching all the virtual stuff occurring,

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Speaker 1: all the different achievements that are coming, and all the

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Speaker 1: excitement about this other place. Um, it feels as though

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Speaker 1: this is a not a distraction necessarily, but almost brave,

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Speaker 1: new world level drug kind of thing that we're going

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Speaker 1: to have available to us. It will be everywhere. Everyone

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Speaker 1: can get it if you want it, and everybody's gonna

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Speaker 1: want it because it's gonna be so bad out here

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Speaker 1: in this space that we we have to go inside

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Speaker 1: instead subscribe to Soma. Yes, brought to you by Illumination

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Speaker 1: Global Unlimited, a subsidiary Facebook. Uh sorry, it's just really

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Speaker 1: it's it's true, man, And and and also you know,

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Speaker 1: we we have to wrap today's episode, but we haven't

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Speaker 1: even talked about the hardwired physiological, cognitive limits of the

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Speaker 1: human brain. Of the architecture. You're not build for this,

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Speaker 1: No one is. No one is built to be plugged

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Speaker 1: in all the time. Uh. You know, you spend like

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Speaker 1: a third year life sleeping? Right? Is there sleep in

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Speaker 1: the metaverse? Does it have to be? And I say

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Speaker 1: this as a guy who's clearly anti sleep, and it

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Speaker 1: has been for longer than people might expect. But but

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Speaker 1: at this point, we want to hand the We want

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Speaker 1: to hand the torch and to hand the keys to

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Speaker 1: the door to you. What is your take on the metaverse? Folks? Uh,

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Speaker 1: do you think it is? Do you agree with us

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Speaker 1: that something like this is inevitable? Do you think it

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Speaker 1: is overall in net positive? Do you think it is

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Speaker 1: a good thing and bad thing? What? What do you

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Speaker 1: see playing out? What are some things that you think

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Speaker 1: people need to consider as we move into this brave

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Speaker 1: new digital world. We'd love to hear your take. We

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Speaker 1: try to be easy to find online. I do want

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Speaker 1: to point out just went to Here's where it Gets

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Speaker 1: Crazy our Facebook page. We were joking about this. We're like,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's right. At the end of this episode,

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Speaker 1: we are still gonna shout out Facebook or Facebook page.

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Speaker 1: Here's where it Gets Crazy is home to the largest

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Speaker 1: concentration your fellow conspiracy realists, the best mods in the business,

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Speaker 1: all volunteers their opinions of their own. So shout out

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Speaker 1: to you all and uh. If you want to be

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Speaker 1: part of that, all you have to do is answer,

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Speaker 1: answer a question, name the host, give us a joke

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Speaker 1: that makes us laugh hashtag no joke left behind. I'd

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Speaker 1: like to especially shout out. Jane w just popped on

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Speaker 1: and we'd asked the name the host. I thought you

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Speaker 1: guys would appreciate this, Jane said, Beastie Boy, Ben Metallica,

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Speaker 1: Matt Slip not sure how to spell Noel answer the record.

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Speaker 1: Jane did spell it correctly. So there's a k N

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Speaker 1: sound and you know, slipknot and I do often get

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Speaker 1: people thinking my name is spelled k n O l L,

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Speaker 1: like the grassy one, you know. But anyone out there,

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Speaker 1: let's just put this to bed. It's n O E

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Speaker 1: l okay. It's like Noel, but pronounced Noel. And you

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Speaker 1: can also find us on Instagram. You can find us

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. If you don't sip the social needs, especially

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Speaker 1: after this episode, we get it. We totally get it.

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Speaker 1: You could go analog and you can call us directly. Yes,

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Speaker 1: please call me. I I will interact with you socially

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Speaker 1: via the phone. We will, We all will. The number

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Speaker 1: When you call in, give yourself a cool nickname just

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Speaker 1: helps with a little anonymity there. You have three minutes

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Speaker 1: to say whatever you'd like. Bonus points if you can

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Speaker 1: make us laugh, but if you've got more to say

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Speaker 1: than can fit in that three minutes, consider instead sending

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