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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, fifteen times Major Golf Championship,

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Speaker 1: The Works, the PGA, Pebble Beach, The Masters, Tiger Woods arrest.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Tiger Woods and the Can,

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Speaker 1: the Pokey, the big House. That's right, golf legend. Tiger

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Speaker 1: Woods arrest straight out to Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter.

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Speaker 1: What this time?

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Speaker 2: Nancy Friday afternoon, around two o'clock, Tiger Woods is driving

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Speaker 2: his Range Drover near his home on Jupiter Island, Florida.

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Speaker 2: He's on a small two lane road and he decides

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Speaker 2: to pass a truck carrying a trick. As he goes

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Speaker 2: to speed up to get around the trailer, he clips

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Speaker 2: it on the back, causing his Range Rover to flip

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Speaker 2: on its side and slide. Tiger climbs out of the

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Speaker 2: passenger side window, and of course police are called and

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Speaker 2: he appeared disheveled, not able to really make a lot

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Speaker 2: of sense. But you know they didn't smell alcohol in

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Speaker 2: his breath.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Tiger Woods golf ledgen now facing a legal dog

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Speaker 1: fight against Florida prosecutors. Will they quote make an example

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Speaker 1: out of him. What really happened? This is what I

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Speaker 1: do know. I do know, and correct me if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: Dave Mac. He refused a year analysis. Law enforcement came

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Speaker 1: to the scene, believe and state in police reports they

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Speaker 1: believed that he was under the influence, not of alcohol,

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Speaker 1: but some sort of drug, be it prescribed or not.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that true?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, he did take a breath. I want to know

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Speaker 2: that he took a breathalyzer test and blew zero point

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Speaker 2: zero zero. That is why after a roadside limited sobriety test,

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Speaker 2: detectives determined he was under the influence of something. But

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Speaker 2: Tiger Woods refuses to do the blood test. In Florida,

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Speaker 2: that's a misdemeanor. So he gets a charge for not

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Speaker 2: taking the blood test, and they are charging him with

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Speaker 2: driving under the influence for failing at the roadside sobriety checkpoint.

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Speaker 1: Dave mac, I believe he refused to give a urine

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Speaker 1: sample twice. But you're right, he refused it on the roadside,

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Speaker 1: and he refused it at the jail. That in itself

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Speaker 1: is an infraction of your driving privileges. Here's my concern.

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Speaker 1: I love Tiger Woods. I always root for Tiger Woods.

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Speaker 1: I can never get the image of him coming up

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Speaker 1: on the last hole. He'll be wearing a red shirt.

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Speaker 1: His dad in life would be wearing a red shirt

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Speaker 1: and they would meet, and the dad would walk the

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Speaker 1: course with him. Remember that. That has always been in

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Speaker 1: my mind. And I remember distinctly his first golf competition

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Speaker 1: after his father had passed away. He walked up the

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Speaker 1: hill and there was no dad, and I and every

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Speaker 1: other commentator noticed it. It's very much etched into everyone's mind.

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Speaker 1: He is in media darling. Everybody loves Tiger Woods. But

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Speaker 1: this is what I cannot ignore. Let's see his history.

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Speaker 1: Put it up. This is by far not the first

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Speaker 1: time Tiger Woods has had a let me just say,

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Speaker 1: that's not his driving history. Put up his driving history.

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Speaker 1: I can only vamp along waiting for you to push

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Speaker 1: the right button. This is not by far his first

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Speaker 1: driving infraction, and that is certainly a euphemism. Two thousand

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Speaker 1: and nine. These are the ones we know of the

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Speaker 1: fire hydrant crash. He collided with a fire hydrant and

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Speaker 1: from that. DUI number one asleep behind the wheel, driving

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Speaker 1: under the influence doesn't refer just to alcohol. It's the

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Speaker 1: influence of drugs or alcohol. Twenty twenty one eighty seven

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Speaker 1: that case. To doctor Kendall Crown's joining US renowned medical

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Speaker 1: examiner out of Terrance County, that's fort worth ever a

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Speaker 1: lack of business at the Morgue. He is an esteemed

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Speaker 1: lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU, and

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Speaker 1: he is the star of Mayhem in the Morgue A

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Speaker 1: hit podcast Dodger Kendall Crowns, do you recall what happened

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Speaker 1: to Tiger's leg? Tiger Woods's leg in that incident? He

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Speaker 1: was this close to having his leg amputated.

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Speaker 3: Why so, in that one he had massive fracturing of

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Speaker 1: Okay, a year going too fast for as mirror mortals.

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Speaker 1: Can you take it more slowly and explain to me

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Speaker 3: So in that incident, he had what is called a

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Speaker 3: compound fracture of his tibianphibula, which are the two bones

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Speaker 3: he was really close to having an amputation at that moment.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, this reminds me of the oj Simpson

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Speaker 1: murder trial where Nicole Brown's head was only still attached

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Speaker 1: everything was severed. And you're telling me in this case

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Speaker 3: Yes, more likely than not, that's why all that was

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Speaker 1: Golf legend Tiger Woods arrest for a car crash in Florida, East,

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Speaker 1: the fourth auto related incident of his the second in

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Speaker 1: which he's charged with duy and duy is drugs or alcohol.

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Speaker 1: According to the police report, he showed size of impairment

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Speaker 1: and was arrested there. At the scene, he struck another

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Speaker 2: Well, the two thousand and nine infraction is the first

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Speaker 2: This was right outside the house when that actually happened,

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Speaker 2: and he had a bloody lip, blood in his mouth.

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Speaker 2: The next one was twenty seventeen and Nancy that crashed

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Speaker 2: there that DUI in twenty seventeen. He had Tiger Woods,

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Speaker 2: had a lot of medication in his system, a lot

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Speaker 2: of different types of medication, including vicodin, dilauded, xan x,

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Dave Matt, don't just

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Speaker 1: roll it off. Okay, you said vicodin, delauded, I heard pot.

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Speaker 1: Was there pot in his system?

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Speaker 2: Okay, what else vikod in, dilauded, xanax, and ambient beyond

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all at the same.

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Speaker 1: Time Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Vikod in, dilauded, xanax, and ambient beyond the pie.

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Speaker 3: and then of course ambient is used for insomnia. All

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Speaker 3: four of these medications together would be a very bad

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Speaker 3: mixture that we see in drug overdose is quite common

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Speaker 3: and it's not something that you want to mix a

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Speaker 3: And what they usually do is cause drowsiness or sleepiness,

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Speaker 1: Straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall, joining us renowned psychoanalyst.

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Speaker 1: She's the author deal Breakers. You can see her now

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Speaker 1: on Bravo and Peacock and find her at doctor Bethanymarshall

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Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Bethany, that's a lot of drugs, some prescribed,

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Speaker 5: the two thousand and nine DUI was fascinating as I

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Speaker 5: covered that with you, Nancy. I remember being in the

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Speaker 5: able to hear all the Pine Scenes stories from them.

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Speaker 5: grabbed him, woke him up. He ran out the door

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Speaker 5: So you already have you know the benzos in his system,

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Speaker 5: the third time where he almost had to have his

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Speaker 5: term chasing that first high, it's the term when people

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Speaker 5: suffering from substance use disorders tried to create that initial

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Speaker 5: a heath Ledger, because pretty much your breathing is suppressed

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Speaker 1: Joining us now out of New York p R guru

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Speaker 1: dot substat dot com. Rob if and when will the

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Speaker 4: When I think he's happening, Nancu, I really do think

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Speaker 1: He is a media darling. Everyone has a soft spot

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Speaker 1: in their heart for Tiger Woods. We've watched him grow

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Speaker 4: Yeah, really good point, Nancy. So he learnt the law here,

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Speaker 4: He's a very very smart person who has worked extremely

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Speaker 4: it won't be. Nancy, We're going to be talking about

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Speaker 1: Well, I get a lot of my sports news from

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Speaker 1: Dave Portnoy at Barstool Sports. Portnoy is tearing into Woods

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Speaker 1: So here's my next question to you, Rob Shooter. Have

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Speaker 1: just say Britney Spears, for instance, they go hog why

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Speaker 4: There's no doubt, Nancy, it's a double standard here. Is

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Speaker 4: it because he's a sports star rather than being a potician?

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Speaker 4: Is it because he's a man rather than being a woman.

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Speaker 4: but I do agree with you, Nancy the recent ower.

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Speaker 1: I'm just a trial lawyer. You're the pr guru. You're

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Speaker 1: started with a whisper. Don't pontificate and throw the question

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Speaker 1: What is the answer? Why is he treated with kig

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Speaker 4: I think it's because it's easier to punch Britney Spears.

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Speaker 4: think with Tiger, he's managed to keep this illusion that

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Speaker 4: Were in reality, we now know that is not the case.

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Speaker 1: You're right, she is being vilified because she dresses the

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Speaker 4: It's heartbreaking, Sorry, Bethany.

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Speaker 1: So I'm spoonfeeding you here, shooter. How did your book

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Speaker 1: For Pete's sake, really, and all the places you can go,

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Speaker 4: I do, I do, Nancy, we're agreeing on this here.

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Speaker 4: I think I've I've made these points. Says, there's lots

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Speaker 4: She enjoys social media. He does not. If you try

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Speaker 4: pose a lot of stuff. He posts very, very carefully

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Speaker 4: curated photographs, normally of him on a golf course, always

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Speaker 4: to believe. And we have, Nancy, we believe these photographs

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Speaker 4: we're seeing. They're partially true, they're not lies. That's part

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Speaker 4: he doesn't want us to talk about. However, now, because

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Speaker 4: talking about what is really going on and how did

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Speaker 1: Well, I haven't been for since day one.

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Speaker 4: You love to day one you said you loved him, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: I do, but I don't like it. I don't love

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Speaker 1: in any other jurisdy. This would be what we call

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Speaker 1: Why is he not behind bars? And it pains me.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to see his big comeback at the Masters.

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Speaker 1: it again. Could you explain another thing to me, Rob Shooter?

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Speaker 1: Why is Tiger Woods set to profit you? Heard me right,

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Speaker 1: Why do they want the shirt?

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Speaker 4: It's horrific. We see this with popstars too, and when

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Speaker 4: He's not just a golfer. He's one of the first

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Speaker 6: As he was trying to move to the side of

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Speaker 6: As he was trying to move to the side of

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Speaker 1: The sheriff's doing it too. Did you hear that shooter? Oh,

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Speaker 1: he just clipped it. He rear ended it. It was

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Speaker 4: That sheriff would not talk about you or me like that. Nancy.

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Speaker 4: It's a different justice for people that are rich and famous.

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Speaker 4: I do get it. I've been starstruck. I've met people

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Speaker 4: People get starstruck, and they give people the benefit of

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Speaker 4: if there's enough outrage here, maybe things will change. I'm

430
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 4: not convinced. What do you think, shooter.

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00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: I could listen to you go on and on and

432
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: on about all your famous clients, how awesome they are,

433
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: and how you're so starstruck. Have you ever attended a

434
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: DUI crash autopsy, shooter, because that might that might just

435
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: change your mind about your starstruck.

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00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 4: I haven't, I'd say I haven't.

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00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: Well, maybe you should, and maybe Tiger Woods should. Here's

438
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: the sheriff.

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00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 6: The individual driving that land rover was able to crawl

440
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 6: out the passenger drawer of the car and was identified

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00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 6: to be mister Tiger Woods. Our DUI investigators came to

442
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 6: the scene here and mister Woods did exemplify signs of impairment.

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00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 6: They did several tests on him. Of course, he did

444
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Speaker 6: explain the injuries and the surgers that he had. We

445
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 6: did take that into account, but they did do some

446
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Speaker 6: in depth roadside tests and when it was determined he

447
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Speaker 6: was placed under arrest and taken to the Martin County jail.

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Speaker 1: And here's another kawinki dink. There have been instances where

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Speaker 1: even though Tiger Woods has gone to the hospital, nobody

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Speaker 1: did a blood test. Never heard of that before. But

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Speaker 1: I want you to hear what else. The sheriff said,

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Speaker 1: Can I give you a general idea of how fast?

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Speaker 6: And the answer is I can't, but I can tell

454
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Speaker 6: you this. It's a thirty minine hour speed limit. And

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Speaker 6: when I show you the photos, they kind of speak

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Speaker 6: for themselves. You can see where he clipped the back

457
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Speaker 6: of the trailer, you can see where he rolled, and

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Speaker 6: then as he decelerates, sliding down on the driver's door

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Speaker 6: of the vehicle, you can see that he slid for

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Speaker 6: a pretty decent space before he came to.

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Speaker 1: A stock I have never had a case like this

462
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Speaker 1: where an accident reconstructionist or a member of law enforcement

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Speaker 1: robshooter cannot tell me how fast they estimate the purp

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Speaker 1: is driving. But now it's so mysterious. Nobody can tell

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Speaker 1: me how fast they think Woods was driving. You want

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Speaker 1: to tell me that that big honking suv he was

467
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Speaker 1: driving doesn't have a black box, doesn't have a nav

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Speaker 1: system to tell me how fast he was driving.

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Speaker 4: It does it does not say it absolutely does, and

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Speaker 4: so we have to ask him what is going on

471
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Speaker 4: and is there a different level of justice for famous people.

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Speaker 4: I think the answer is an obvious, obvious Yes. It's

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Speaker 4: very easy here to get angry with Tiger Wood, and

474
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Speaker 4: we should be, but we should also be really angry

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Speaker 4: with the system that is allowing him because of his fame,

476
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Speaker 4: because it's allowing him to get away with it. Nancy,

477
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 4: it really is. Why else would he be getting away

478
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Speaker 4: with this. He's not getting away with it because he

479
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 4: gets caught and held accountable. He keeps getting away with it,

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Speaker 4: and we have to ask why.

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Speaker 1: What's your advice to words tonight.

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Speaker 4: You need to get to rehab. You need to get serious,

483
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 4: you need to say sorry, you need to own this,

484
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 4: and you need to get from behind that car. He

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00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 4: has plenty of money, hire a driver. Never ever get

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Speaker 4: in a car again. You're not trustworthy, you know, shooter.

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Speaker 1: This reminds me also of they were known a writer case.

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Speaker 1: I love her, remember when she shotlifted and instead of

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Speaker 1: saying okay, you know what I did it? Why did

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Speaker 1: I do it? I don't No, I've got a problem.

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00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: I've got money I could pay for this, but I

492
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Speaker 1: did it, and for all of you girls that look

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Speaker 1: up to me, don't do this. But instead she gets

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Speaker 1: the best lawyer she can find, Mark Geargos, and they

495
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: go to trial and she's proven to be a liar

496
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Speaker 1: and it nearly ruined her career. So here, I think,

497
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Speaker 1: and I'm certainly not a pr guru to the stars

498
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: like you, Rob Shooter, but I think he needs to

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Speaker 1: say yes, I did it, punish me. I want to

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Speaker 1: change my life, and I don't want all of my

501
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: fans to emulate me.

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Speaker 4: It's always the best response sown up towards if you

503
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 4: did it. I believe he did do it. It's hard

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Speaker 4: for me to imagine how he's going to talk himself

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Speaker 4: out of this. If you did it, the evidence is there,

506
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 4: admit it, apologize and make sure you don't do it again.

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00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 4: It's not that hard. What he's hard is that human

508
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 4: beings are involved, egos are involved, money is involved. He's

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00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 4: getting freshing down from the companies that he owns. And

510
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 4: I predict Nancy that he won't do the right thing,

511
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 4: that he will fight this and maybe he will be

512
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 4: proven to be a liar.

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Speaker 1: I would override Rob Sheeter author of number one best

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Speaker 1: seller on Amazon. In new releases, it started with a

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Speaker 1: whisper Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, high profile defense attorney

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Speaker 1: Troy Slayton joining us from the LA Jurisdiction renowned criminal attorney. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you've had to defend a lot of DUI charges and

518
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Speaker 1: you've been successful. What can you tell me beside deny,

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00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: deny and delay delay delay.

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Speaker 7: Well, I can tell you, Nancy, because I'm a certified

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00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 7: standardized Field sobriety Test instructor, which means I have I'm

522
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 7: certified by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to teach

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Speaker 7: police officers how to administer these tes, and so I

524
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 7: can tell you that when the sheriff says that he

525
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 7: admitted or that the officer in the field administered field

526
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Speaker 7: sobriety tests roadside tests, that he called them, those have

527
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 7: nothing to do with drugs. Those have only been scientifically

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00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 7: validated as to alcohol. So the officers then asked them

529
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Speaker 7: to do a roadside bread test and then a test

530
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 7: back at the station triple zeros point zero zero blood

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Speaker 7: alcohol and they suspected drugs. So at that point, if

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Speaker 7: they believe that he's impaired by something, other than alcohol,

533
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Speaker 7: they're allowed to ask.

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Speaker 4: For a test of his blood or breath. I mean,

535
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 4: I'm sorry of his blood or urine.

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00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 7: In this case, they asked for urine and he refused

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Speaker 7: it recently in two thousand. Last year, in twenty twenty five,

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00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 7: in October, Florida passed a new law that made refusal

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Speaker 7: of the urine test a crime in and of itself

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00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 7: a misdemeanor. But that will be way less than being

541
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Speaker 7: found guilty of dui drugs. So he may have done

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Speaker 7: this strategically right thing that will will allow his lawyers

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Speaker 7: to fight the dui charge.

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Speaker 1: Troy, if you were defending this case, what would you do?

545
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: What would you tell him to do right now?

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Speaker 7: Well, I would tell him to possibly go to some

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00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 7: AA or NA meetings. So that way, at his arraignment,

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Speaker 7: which is going to happen in the next couple of weeks,

549
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 7: he could show the court that he's not a danger

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00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 7: that the bail should be set what it normally is

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Speaker 7: in a first offense case. Now, you say, but Troy,

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00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 7: he had a conviction in twenty seventeen. In Florida. There's

553
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 7: only a five year look back as far as sentencing

554
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 7: for DUI's in the state of Florida, it'll be considered

555
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 7: a second on his criminal record. However, for sentencing purposes,

556
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 7: this just be a first defense. So I would tell

557
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 7: him to go to get some NA and AA meetings

558
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 7: so that way it can look like he's doing something.

559
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,959
Speaker 7: But then his attorneys are going to file a motion

560
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Speaker 7: to suppress evidence because he was held longer than the

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Speaker 7: Florida statute allows, which is eight hours or until you

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00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 7: blow below a point five, whichever comes first. They kept

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Speaker 7: him for the full eight hours, which means that his

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Speaker 7: detention at the police station may have been illegal. Therefore,

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Speaker 7: any questions that he was asked anything any.

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Speaker 1: Drug dragging a rig behind him off the road, he's

567
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: obviously high and kit. He was not only behind bars

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Speaker 1: for eight hours. And I'm hearing you want he had

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Speaker 1: seven surgeries.

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00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 7: Do you think and these surgeries were potentially failed back surgeries.

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Speaker 7: Do you think someone is going to be able to

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Speaker 7: do roadside gymnastics after seven failed back surgeries? You think

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Speaker 7: that that might make somebody look lethargic.

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Speaker 1: No, or I'm not asking him to do a backflip.

575
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 1: I'm asking to take out his penis and tt into

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Speaker 1: a cup you don't have to be Naughtia Komaniachi to

577
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Speaker 1: do that.

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Speaker 7: There's there's a debate in Florida, in the Florida courts about.

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Speaker 1: Whether beid tracking that question.

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Speaker 7: No, I'm talking about urine, about having to pull out

581
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 7: your pep, as you say in front of the police officers.

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00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,959
Speaker 1: I didn't say pepe. I said penis. Oh you said peep.

583
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Speaker 1: I don't know why, but go ahead in.

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Speaker 7: Any event, Nancy. Uh, there's a debate in Florida whether

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Speaker 7: or not there's a warrant requirement for a urine test,

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00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 7: which is less intrusive than a blood test because they're

587
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 7: not sticking needles into you. And Uh, it's it's less intrusive,

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00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 7: it's more intrusive rather than a bread test. But in

589
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 7: this case, I'm really curious about why the police officers,

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Speaker 7: if they really suspected drugs, why didn't they get a

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00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 7: warrant for his blood and then we would know the

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Speaker 7: exact quantitative amounts that were in his system, because right

593
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 7: now we have no idea what if any drugs.

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Speaker 1: He had in his system then and there he is

595
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: there lawyers, Why didn't they the police get a warrant

596
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: for blood? It's their fault. Tiger Woods ran a rig

597
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Speaker 1: off the road.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying I'm just in it.

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00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 7: I would could have done a better investigation here.

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00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's their fault. Good good luck without a trial.

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00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: To doctor Bethany Marshall, we are now learning that one

602
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Speaker 1: of the reasons Tiger Woods refuses to hire a driver,

603
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: which he obviously can afford, is reportedly, he wants his privacy.

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Speaker 1: He's not going to get much of that in the pokey.

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Speaker 5: No he's not, Nancy, and I saw this pattern of

606
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 5: low conscientiousness, plus being sneaky about skirting around the rules,

607
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 5: which is what he did, low levels of conscientiousness and

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00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 5: driving while intoxicated. However, refusing your analysis, I saw this

609
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Speaker 5: in talking to the many women that he had affairs

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Speaker 5: with back in two thousand and nine in the green

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00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 5: room at CNN and HLN. One of the things that

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00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 5: they all reported was that he would invite them over

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Speaker 5: to his home or he would hang out with them,

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Speaker 5: but he wouldn't spend any money on them because he

615
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 5: didn't want any kind of a money trail that would

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Speaker 5: tie him to them. And one woman said she spent

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Speaker 5: the afternoon with him and she was so hungry. There

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00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 5: was no food that she actually said, you need to

619
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Speaker 5: order me a subway sandwich. She was so starved.

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Speaker 8: So you could see the little level of conscientiousness and

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Speaker 8: that he's having these affairs. But he's sneaky enough to

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Speaker 8: get around the system by not spending any money.

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Speaker 5: So it could be that this so called love of

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Speaker 5: privacy is maybe another form of sneakiness or stealth where

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00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 5: he hides his reputation or really the messy parts. You know, NaNs,

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00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 5: we all have messy parts, right, but hopefully they're integrated

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Speaker 5: enough into our everyday life that we let the people

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Speaker 5: we love look at us and say, look, you need

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Speaker 5: to get some help. But he has completely camouflaged it,

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Speaker 5: and that's why we love him, or you everybody else

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Speaker 5: on this panel. I don't know that much about him

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00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 5: except that he appears lovable because he's handsome, he looks intact,

633
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Speaker 5: and the privacy is a very strong barrier that keeps

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Speaker 5: this messy part from leaking out.

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Speaker 1: Back to doctor Kendall, Crowns is joining us out of

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Speaker 1: Arrant County. You're looking at Vicodin xanax ambient delauded pot.

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Speaker 1: How difficult is it? Doctor Kendall Crowns to kick an

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Speaker 1: addiction to any of those medications.

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Speaker 3: The problem is is his whatever he was taking them

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Speaker 3: for the long term pain, etc. Has resulted in him

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Speaker 3: feeling the need to have these drugs to even feel normal.

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Speaker 3: So it could take a very lengthy time period week

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Speaker 3: slash months to get past this addiction. And the problem

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Speaker 3: is is because of his wealth and his fame, there's

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Speaker 3: always going to be someone out there that's willing to

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Speaker 3: find those drugs for them, or get those drugs and

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Speaker 3: give them to them. So get kicking the habits going

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Speaker 3: to be very difficult.

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Speaker 1: The penalty for a first do UI imprisonment six months

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Speaker 1: and a fine. First refusal to submit to a test

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Speaker 1: sixty days and a fine. There's also penalty for property

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Speaker 1: damage that depends on how much damage is done. I

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Speaker 1: don't think there's any way that a judge can treat

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Speaker 1: this as a first DUI. We wait as justice unfolds,

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Speaker 1: but will it Tonight? We remember an American hero officer,

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Speaker 1: Terry Bennett Metropolitan PD DC, just thirty two, killed in

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Speaker 1: the line of duty, leaving behind a wife now widow

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Speaker 1: and children. Sentenced to life without dad. American hero officer

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Speaker 1: Terry Bennett, Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,