1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,560 Speaker 1: With everything that's been happening in the world over the 2 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: past few years, you'd be forgiven for missing a few 3 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: headlines about a potentially monumental change to humanity's future. 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: The Chinese researcher has created an international controversy over science 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: and ethics after claiming he helped make the world's first 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: genetically edited babies. This morning, the FDA appears ready to 7 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 2: green light the first treatment using gene editing. 8 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: Doctors announced this week they have treated a newborn baby 9 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: with the rare genetic disease using the world's first personalized 10 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: gene editing treatment. But how did we get here? The 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: answer lies in a single scientific breakthrough that happened back 12 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, when the world was first introduced to 13 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: a gene editing tool called Crisper. 14 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 2: A revolutionary technology that can edit genetic mistakes. 15 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: It's called Crisper. Crisper signified the arrival of a new 16 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: foundability to edit our genes as simply as we edit 17 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: a sentence with a word processor. Journalist and biographer Walter Isaacson, 18 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: who I've spoken to before about his books on Elon 19 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: Musk and Benjamin Franklin saw Crisper as more more than 20 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: just a singular invention. To him, it represented, as he's written, 21 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: the beginning of a third great revolution of modern times, 22 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: following on the revolutions in physics and information technology. 23 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: I realized I had written about different technological and scientific revolutions, 24 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 2: meaning with Leonardo the first scientific revolution, and with Einstein 25 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 2: the physics revolution, and Steve Jobs the digital revolution. And 26 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: we were about to enter a life science revolution in 27 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: which molecules would be the new microchip. We would be 28 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: able to program them to do things. 29 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: As with any revolution, things didn't happen neatly or quietly. 30 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: But there was one figure among many researchers who stood 31 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: at the center of it all. Jennifer Dowdner, the Nobel 32 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: Prize winning biochemist who co created Crisper. Her personal trajectory 33 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: and that of her collaborators and competitors, tells the story 34 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: of how we arrived at this new frontier of gene editing. 35 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: It's a story filled with global stakes and fiery competition. 36 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: And everybody's at this conference. They're all trying to present, 37 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: and Jennifer and Emmanuel want priority. They want to be 38 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: the first to publish, They want to be the first 39 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 2: to get patents and this is how science advances, which 40 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:20,399 Speaker 2: is a mix of cooperation and competition. 41 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: And a story that touches upon the difficult ethical considerations 42 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: that gene editing brings. 43 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: Jennifer had a dream or a nightmare, and it was 44 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: that somebody wanted to meet with her about this new technology. 45 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 2: And she opens the door to the room. The person 46 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: looks up and it's Adolph Hitler, sort of in a 47 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: pig's head, and she's taken aback and she realizes, of 48 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: course that eugenics. I mean, this is what the Nazis 49 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: were trying to do to edit the human race. That 50 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: in the wrong hands this tool could just be not 51 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: just powerful, but evil. 52 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm your host, journalist Devin Ratliffe. But with the course 53 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: of five episodes, Walter Isaacson and I tell the story 54 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: of this new revolution in scientific discovery and the woman 55 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: who helped drive it. Listen to a Crisper the Story 56 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: of Jennifer DOWDNA with Walter Isaacson on the iHeartRadio app, 57 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.