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Speaker 1: Joining me today to talk about some of the news

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Speaker 1: expert writer extraordinaire, podcast host extraordinaire, one of the most

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Speaker 2: It's so nice to be here with you, and now

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Speaker 1: Oh that's so wonderful. Let's go to let's get previously

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Speaker 1: touched on a few episodes ago, the Image Comics unionization drive.

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Speaker 1: After a National Labor Relations Board vote, Image Comics Workers

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Speaker 1: certified their union, Comic Book Workers United, which is this

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Speaker 1: is historic, foks is industry first, this is huge and

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Speaker 2: Okay, so image, it's image Comics that you have anniversary

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Speaker 2: this year. Actually so, Image Comics was a team of

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Speaker 2: Rob Leifeld, Marks of Vestri, Jim Valentino, wils Potassio Icon,

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Speaker 2: you know, Eric Larson. So these are the guys. They

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Speaker 2: come in, they create this thing. It shakes up the

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Speaker 2: industry and the idea is to create something where you

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Speaker 2: own your own characters, which we know does not happen

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Speaker 2: at Marvel in DC. So thirty years later, twenty nine,

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Speaker 2: a lot of people when Image would not voluntarily recognize

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Speaker 2: the union. Yes, because to a lot of people, Image

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Speaker 2: Comics seems like the kind of place where as a

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Speaker 1: Sharing the sharing the success of the success generated by

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Speaker 1: something that someone created, allow the creators to take part

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Speaker 2: And Image did not recognize the union voluntarily and that

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Speaker 2: Comics will be unionized. So now we go to the

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Speaker 2: essentially going to set a precedent that has never been

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Speaker 2: But I think it's the right place for it, and

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Speaker 1: Sam, you mentioned of the Neil Adams A Drive, which

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Speaker 1: But then Neil Adams is like, why don't we create

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Speaker 1: same as you, very interested to see what happens next

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Speaker 1: next up. One of my favorite movies series, The Raid,

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Speaker 1: directed by Gareth Evans, Indonesian action film directed by a

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Speaker 1: two movies, The Raid and The Raid to that redefined

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Speaker 1: the news is that this movie is now going to

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Speaker 1: be remade for Netflix, produced by Michael Bay and Patrick Hues.

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Speaker 1: Gareth Evans will be producing, which is weird. He should

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Speaker 1: be directing. Why he should be dead? So this is

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Speaker 1: by Patrick Hughes, who previously directed The Expendables three, Hitman's Bodyguard,

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Speaker 1: so remaking the story, retconning it, setting it in Philly, whatever, yaha, yeah, yeahda,

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Speaker 1: It's all very interesting. But it's about the action as

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Speaker 2: I love the original movie so much. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: was made by Gareth Evans to highlight eco Way's talent

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Speaker 2: at Silla, which is still a has this Indonesian martial arts,

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Speaker 1: Showcase the action period. The action is the star.

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Speaker 2: And also I mean I just already feel like that

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be racist.

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Speaker 3: Like I don't think it.

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Speaker 1: Bumps me. It bumps me as well, you know what.

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Speaker 2: I do like Gareth Evans producing, and I hope, I hope,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm interested to see where that goes. And

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping that this is a remake that adds a layer.

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Speaker 2: But their description, I don't really want to see a

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Speaker 1: I don't need that.

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Speaker 3: I don't need it. But who are and.

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Speaker 2: Who are they going to cast? This would be my prediction.

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Speaker 2: And this is not a slight against Scott Adkins, because

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Speaker 2: I actually have a lot of love for a lot

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Speaker 2: don't know the watch the Raid.

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Speaker 3: It's so magical and if this, if this can.

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Speaker 2: Get half of that electricity and that kind of absolute

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Speaker 1: I think we have to weigh it's a lot of

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Speaker 1: this goes. I have my doubts just watch The Raid. Also,

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Speaker 2: Also, I just have to say, because this is connected

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Speaker 2: The Raid was never released in America as The Raid

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Speaker 2: it's called the Raid Retribution or it's a it will

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Speaker 2: have a secondary the Raid redemp Redemption redemption. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: maybe that's going to come into play. Yeah, Raid Redemption

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Speaker 1: All right, Next up, Book of Okay, let us talk

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Speaker 1: about episode three Book of Bove Effect, The Streets of

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Speaker 1: moss Aspa written by John Favreaux, directed by Robert Rodriguez,

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Speaker 1: and boy does this feel like a Robert Rodriguez project.

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Speaker 1: We will discuss it using x ray Vision's iconic speed recap.

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Speaker 1: Are you ready, Rosie? Here we go.

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Speaker 1: We start at on tattooin Java's Palace. We see the

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Speaker 2: role in Secret Invasion, and I wonder if that's a

428
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: bit too soon for the crossover, or.

429
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Speaker 1: If yeah, they can put makeup and somebody again. She

430
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: would be an older character because like against Star Wars story,

431
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: han solo Star Wars story is like twenty years before this.

432
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 2: In fact, they could even just cost someone else but

433
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: have her as Kira. I haven't really thought about that,

434
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: just have a different older like a really established actor.

435
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, Doctor.

436
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 3: As soon as I saw like Cresent and I was like, Oh,

437
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 3: we're gonna get Dog.

438
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: This is Doctor Africa going.

439
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: To be here. I feel like we're gonna get Doctor.

440
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: Really really fun character who again is like spacing Theanna Jones.

441
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, and fitz Boba Fett as well, because she plays

442
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 2: on both sides.

443
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: Yes, we we meet.

444
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 2: Her with dark side connections and she can she does it.

445
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 2: Has a very She's a very morally gray character and

446
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,360
Speaker 2: follows kind of her own moral compass like Boba.

447
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: Yes, later over a big feast, which Boba is not

448
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: at all interested in because he's not interested in the

449
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: trappings of power, and also again I think this speaks

450
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: to his time with the Tuscans. He probably feels like,

451
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: you know, as a Tuscan, we would never waste this

452
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: amount of food. This is insane. Boba is thinking about

453
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Speaker 1: how he's going to respond to this latest assassination attempt

454
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: on him. He knows that everybody on Tattooin and the

455
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 1: galaxy we're involved with the syndicates, are watching to see

456
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: if he's gonna come out weak shand says, hey, it's

457
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: probably the Huts, And why don't you wait for them

458
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: to show their hand, which is like, were there not

459
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: just two assassination attempts trying to kill him? I love you, babe,

460
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: but like the hand is like assassinate Boba vet, so

461
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: we know what it is. Eighty eight comes in and announces, hey,

462
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: guess what. The Huts are here with a gift. Fennick

463
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: and Boba go outside to the gates. The Huts apologize

464
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: for trying to kill Boba. They admit that they hired

465
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Speaker 1: Black chrysantin. It's unclear, I would add if they hired

466
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Speaker 1: the first assassins. Do we think the Huts hired the

467
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: first assassins? Is?

468
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Speaker 2: I don't know. That's That's what's kind of unclear, because

469
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 2: this apology is like, are they apologizing to cover.

470
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 3: Up the first one or they seem completely oblivious to it?

471
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 2: So, yeah, is there like a secondary I think it

472
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 2: might be that there's like a secondary threat that's a

473
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 2: little bit more personal, a little bit less to do

474
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 2: with the whole like new life as a warlord crime

475
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Speaker 2: lord kind of thing.

476
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do wonder because they were so ready to say, yeah,

477
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: we hired the Wookie, so very interesting. To smooth over

478
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: that little thing of us trying to kill you, please

479
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: accept this gift of a rank corps. The Huts deliver

480
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: a rank corps complete with rank or handler. Danny Treo

481
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: he had to come Manuez picture. It's a Robert Rodriguez picture.

482
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: Danny Treil had to be in it. And Bola is like,

483
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: this is awesome, but also, you guys have to leave

484
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: the planet never come back. And the twins are like,

485
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: you got it, but just so you know, you should

486
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: also leave too, because the mayor has been playing all

487
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: sides against the middle. The mayor told us that we

488
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: could have this territory, but then he also promised it

489
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: to you, and he also promised it to another syndicate,

490
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: so you should also leave too. And Boba's like, well,

491
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: you can have your Wookie back, and they're like, no,

492
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: we don't want them. We're leaving. We don't want Yeah,

493
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: we don't want Internisine gang war to pop off. We're

494
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: going to go back to nol Huda and just do

495
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: our thing. So Boba lets Black Crisanta go and he says, hey,

496
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: as a warning, just some life advice for you don't

497
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: work for scug holes. We later learn, in what is

498
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: an absolutely delightful scene from Danny Trejo the spaces own

499
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: Caesar Milan of Rank Wars that rank corps are emotionally

500
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: complex creatures. This one happens to be depressed right now,

501
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: probably because of the transportation, the fact that it is

502
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: kept in chains, It's got a blindfold on. It is

503
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: apparently a calf bread for the fighting pits, and rank orps,

504
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: we learn, develop a deep emotional bond with the first

505
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: face that it sees, thus any enfold. So this scene

506
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: is like, it reminds me of my mom who said

507
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 1: she didn't want a dog, and then we got a dog,

508
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: and I would just hear her talking to the dog

509
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: all the time. So Boba is immediately smitten with the

510
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: Rank Corps. Danny trey Ho tells Boba that the witches

511
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: of Dathamir used to ride, used to ride them through

512
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: the woods, and Boba's like, WHOA, that sounds great. You

513
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: know I used to ride a creature much bigger than this.

514
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: You need to train me and the Rank Corps about

515
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: how to be a rider in a mount.

516
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: Now, let me just say, like two of the coolest

517
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: Easter eggs in this hall.

518
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: Yes, so Boba, I was like, wait, wait a second.

519
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: Boba is seen riding a giant creature in the famed

520
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: and reviled Star Wars Me Beloved by You, Beloved by

521
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: Me Star Wars Holiday Special. It's unclear what the creature is.

522
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: It's like a purple brontosaurus.

523
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: And also as well, I think that that that short,

524
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: it's an animated short which really takes from like a

525
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: Mobius sque kind of very animation that is a big

526
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: influence on this series tonally.

527
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: It's really surreal.

528
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: It's very much about aesthetic and tone, and the first

529
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 2: two episodes really lean to it. So I just thought

530
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: that was so cool that they.

531
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: Directly basically like the Holiday Special is canon.

532
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, they were already teasing, except the weapon in

533
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: the Mandalorian is seen in that Holiday special, but like,

534
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: this is the first time where Boba mentions it as

535
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: it's something that actually happened to him. So I love that.

536
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: That made me so happy, And I love the Witches

537
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: of Dathamir. That's an incredible eu thing, massive part of

538
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: a you know.

539
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: Agree really really cool legends thing that is now apparently canon.

540
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm glad that that is.

541
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean that they have some really cool Witches

542
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: of Dathamis stuff if you want to know more about

543
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: them in the Clone War series, which is really trippy,

544
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: doc occult kind of Star Wars stuff. So it's really fun.

545
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: And I think it's the fact that I mentioned there

546
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: is not just a little throwaway thing. I think that

547
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: that aspect, that dark aspect and magic aspect of Star

548
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: Wars is something that with more shows like this coming out,

549
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: is probably gonna be something that we see more of.

550
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: That's a great point because some of Black Chrysantan's early

551
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: adventures with Doctor Afra also involve this kind of like

552
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: quasi magical Force users who turned out to be under

553
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: the influence of like these like of something else, but

554
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: still this kind of very occult which like organization. That's

555
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: very interesting and a great call, Rosie. I wonder if

556
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: we will get more than more of that continuing. Danny

557
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: Trey Hope removes the blindfold from the Rank Corps and

558
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: we get to see the Rank Corps super gross and

559
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: scary little little eyes, and it is it's like love

560
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: at first sight. Man, It's like it's like I was

561
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: waiting for like a duop love song to happen as

562
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: they lock eyes like jump jump out.

563
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: Jiz music, Yeah.

564
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: Boba, And then this gives gives way away hilarious moment

565
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: where Boba's like giving the rank corps scretches and the

566
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: ranker is like, you know, like uh, you know, purring

567
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: and stuff, and eighty eight comes in is like about

568
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: to say something, and Lord fed is like not now,

569
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: I'm petting, I'm paning my rank corps. I'm busying, and

570
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: eight is like, hey, you wanted me to get you

571
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: in an appointment with the mayor, Well, guess what the mayor

572
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: is icing you out. The mayor says he's busy for

573
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: twenty straight days.

574
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: Sounds realistic.

575
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: So Boba, Fennick, and the Zoomers go over to the

576
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: mayor's office. The mayor's major DOMO is like, hey, uh,

577
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: he's booked up. I'm really sorry if you want to

578
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: like take a seat or maybe I can take a message,

579
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: and then Fennick shit is like do you see my

580
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: laser pistol, my laser blaster, and so the major domo

581
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: is like, oh, okay, I'll go get them, goes into

582
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: the mayor's office, locks the door and makes a run

583
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: for it. Consumers give a chase on their custom very

584
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: George Lucas's speeder bikes. I saw a lot of like

585
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: this is not my Star Wars kind of comments on

586
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: the internet about the kids and the bikes and the colorfulness.

587
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: I'll just say that, whether you found a goofy or not,

588
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: the idea of like modded hot rods is so part

589
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: of Star Wars DNA. It's George Lucas to a tea.

590
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: This is like what George Lucas is a teenager dreamed

591
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: about this.

592
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: The speed of the chase, I will say it was.

593
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 3: Exactly, so we'll just pointed out American graffiti.

594
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: This is like pure, pure Lucas and I love that.

595
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: I love one of my biggest tropes in any show

596
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: that will hook me in is like a ragtag group

597
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: of teens.

598
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: The I.

599
00:32:59,680 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 4: Love it.

600
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: And also the really cool thing is like when they

601
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: go through and they destroy this painting of Jabba the Hut,

602
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: but it's a Ralph mcquarie image, right.

603
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: The beautiful, placeless Ralph McCrory portrait of Jaba in his

604
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: throne room in repose on his slab, the Twee Lake

605
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: dancing slaves around him is hand dipped in the bowl

606
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: of like amphibian snacks whatever those are.

607
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you get and you get that nice. The

608
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: concept art of Star Wars has become such a big

609
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: part of these shows because it's at the end of

610
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 2: the credits, so you get this nice shout out to

611
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: the original visionary concept artist of Star Wars, which I love. Like,

612
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: this is a big tone shift from the last two episodes,

613
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: but I think it's really It's got a lot of

614
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: nice nods and little Star Wars easter eggs and wild

615
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: building bits for people who kind of really come to

616
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: these shows for that.

617
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. One thing that I think Star Wars

618
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: their television offerings, whether it's animated or live action, I

619
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: think the one thing that they do maybe better than

620
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: any other kind of sci fi serialized, IP generated story

621
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: is they're able to balance a kind of fan servicey

622
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: easter egg event, but they're able to present it in

623
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: a way that's like if you don't know anything, you

624
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: don't know who Black Chrysantin is, you don't know who

625
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: the Bomar Monks are, You're still like, that's cool and

626
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: I want to know more. Whatever that is. That is

627
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 1: really interesting.

628
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: The creature work is incredible, and like if you saw

629
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: the internet after Black Chrysantum was introduced, that was like

630
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 2: so many fan VIDs and like just like hilarious, like

631
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: memes of him surrounded by hearts.

632
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 3: And you know, I think Kieren another tweet Karen.

633
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: Did was like Karen Gillan said, yeah, you either something

634
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: that you die the hero or you live long enough

635
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 2: to see people first thing after a WOOKI creat So

636
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: they balanced that because creatures are such an important part

637
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 2: of Star Wars, and I think that's something what Riguez

638
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: really understand absolutely.

639
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: I saw a It's a TikTok that was like, uh,

640
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: my friends are calling me a furry because I'm in

641
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: love with Black Chriscante, and I was like, honey, you

642
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 1: are a furry.

643
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Speaker 2: If you're in love from a pomorphic bad creature, he's

644
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 2: like essentially a fairy.

645
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: Just okay. So the chase concludes, and again, if there

646
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: is a nitpick about this episode, I have a few.

647
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: It is a very low speed chase.

648
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: It's run at the same time.

649
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: It's it's like max thirty five miles an hour. Anyway,

650
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: they and the Zoomers end up running the mayor the

651
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: major Domo through a fruit market and into a wall.

652
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: He tells Boba that listen, the mayor is working with

653
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 1: the Pikes and also he's left. Later, as one of

654
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: Boba's young gang members looks on, a starliner arrives on

655
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: the planet and an army of Pikes disembarks. Boba gets

656
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: the news and he is prepping for war. And we

657
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: are onto episode four. Here's my small nitpick, and we'll

658
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: see because like, obviously the season is nowhere near done yet.

659
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: I was a little disappointed that it feels like Black

660
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: Crysantin might be leaving us for the time. Like if that,

661
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: I was like, this can't be it. We need more

662
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 1: of him. That is my nitpick is that it seemed

663
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: like the Huts and Black Crissana, we're gonna be more

664
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: of it. And now they're kind of like exiting the

665
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 1: scene that said, I hope they're still around.

666
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 2: I wonder if because it's like third episode, I wonder

667
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: if it's Black Crysanthine goes and then at some point

668
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: in a big conflict and he returns with Afro or something.

669
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: Doubt is the dream it feels like he's going and

670
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: coming back. I also feel like one I feel like

671
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: doing hots with the twins is I can't imagine how

672
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: hard that is to actually have them as a major

673
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 2: part of the SHO show, So I feel like that

674
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: could be part of it. But that also feels to

675
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: me as if they went a little bit too easy,

676
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: and they could team up with this other syndicate, or

677
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: they could have some greater plan and we might see

678
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: them again. I might be wrong, but it feels a

679
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 2: little bit like this is more of a first act

680
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: break and then we might see everyone reconvene nearer the

681
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: end of the season.

682
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: I agree, I'm hoping for a doctor afropoul As well.

683
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: Let's talk briefly about I don't want to say this

684
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: is like the Mephisto of this series, because Mephista was

685
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: always insane.

686
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 3: That was that was just like a fun fan theory.

687
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: But the nature of this stuff is that you can

688
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 2: put a fan theory out there and people hold it

689
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: up as the same way as a leak, and it's like, no, no,

690
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: this is just something from the comics I want to see,

691
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: but it's probably not going to happen.

692
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: So a lot of theorizing before the series dropped and

693
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 1: now as it continues, is that we will see Crimson

694
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: Dawn led by Kira of the Crimson Dawn comic is

695
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: ongoing right now, so like, if you want to know

696
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: more about what Kira has been up to as the

697
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: leader of that particular crime syndicate, you can check it

698
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: out on Marvel Comics right now. That's in the midst

699
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: of a run right now. Do you think we see Kira?

700
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: I was like one hundred percent yes in episode one two,

701
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: and now I'm like, I kind of feel like it's

702
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: just going to be the Pikes.

703
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: I feel like we could see something of the Crimson Dawn,

704
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: like they are active. I don't necessarily know if we'd

705
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: have Kira, though it does seem like a kind of

706
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 2: lucasfilm at the moment. Thing to do would be to

707
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: take something that people liked from a movie that's not

708
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,959
Speaker 2: necessarily going to continue and bring it in to a TV.

709
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 2: And we're about to get, you know, tying things together

710
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: from the prequel era and the New era and the

711
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 2: original era. You make sense when we're getting an obi

712
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: Wan show and that we know that we're going to

713
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: see Hayden in the obi Wan show but also potentially

714
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 2: in the Ahsoka show. So I don't know. I think

715
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: that the Crimson Dawn will at least be referenced. I

716
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: don't know whether Kira is going to be the For

717
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: all we know that Crimson Dawn is like gone. It's

718
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: nineteen years since the end of so long. I don't

719
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: know which people are still around.

720
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: Well, Rosie, I can't wait to talk more with you

721
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 1: about this show and about comics in general. Up next

722
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: to Hive Mind joining us now to discuss the HBO

723
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: Max original Station eleven, the adaptation of Emily John Mandel's

724
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: novel of the same name. Or two of my favorite

725
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 1: people from Dunepod, Jason and h Fellas. Yo, Yeah, what's happening.

726
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the apocalypse. Let's do it finally. So

727
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: this segment is coming about in part because hah basically

728
00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: hectored me on social media to cover this. And I

729
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: don't know if you all read the book. Did you

730
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: are your book readers on this one? No?

731
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 5: I haven't read the book, looking forward to reading it

732
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 5: as soon as it's as soon as I see the

733
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 5: episode that just came out.

734
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: Won't spoil it because it is quite different. In it's

735
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: quite different. I'll just say that, at least in the

736
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: way certain things unfold in the second and third acts.

737
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: But I bought it at a airport Like this was

738
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: about a year after it came out, so it is

739
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: in paperback. I bought it in airport, and probably the

740
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: best airport book buy I've ever purchased. I've read a

741
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: lot of apocalyptic fiction. I'll just tell you that right

742
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: off the bat. I've watched a lot of post apocalyptic movies.

743
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of the genre, and Station eleven was

744
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: unlike any of those that I've ever read. And I

745
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 1: think that the I think the show is really carried

746
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: forward a lot of the things that made it unique,

747
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: mainly the idea of culture and stories and the human

748
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: need to kind of like share experiences about the thing

749
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: we're reading or the thing that we have watched, or

750
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: the thing that we have listened to, and how that

751
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: is really what makes us human beings. It's like the

752
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: basis of society, the basis of our relationships, is this

753
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: need to share. Oh wow, man, I just heard this

754
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: thing that's amazing and I need to talk to you

755
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: about it. Have you heard it too? That kind of idea, So, fellas,

756
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: tell me your feelings about this story so far, and

757
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: then let's dive into this. I'm really interested in the

758
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: idea that this is the hopeful post apocalyptic show that

759
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: is happening in the midst of a global pandemic which

760
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: still has us in its grips. First, since you lambasted

761
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: me first, so you know, I had.

762
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 6: Heard about this novel and I knew that people really

763
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 6: liked it, but I didn't get a chance to read it.

764
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 6: And then when I heard it was being adapted, I

765
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 6: just sort of like put any original novel on whole

766
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 6: until I watched the adaptation and then go back and

767
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 6: check it out because I don't want to like be

768
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 6: measuring the adaptation the whole time, and I know the

769
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 6: work will stand up on its own later for what

770
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 6: it was, and I'll appreciate the differences.

771
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: But nobody was talking about the show.

772
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 6: So I watched the first couple episodes and I was like,

773
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 6: holy shit, just the the artistry, the you know, the

774
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 6: creativity in the storytelling, the acting, the production design, like

775
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 6: all of these things were incredible, and nobody was talking

776
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 6: about it. So that was when I hit you up

777
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 6: on Twitter. Did not expect to be coming out of

778
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 6: the pod But I will say the big unlock for

779
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 6: me because Yeah, everyone I talked to is like, oh great,

780
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 6: another post apocalyptic show do I want to do?

781
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: I want to watch this?

782
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 6: And so I was listening to so they have an

783
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 6: official podcast first Station eleven on HBO Max that Patrick

784
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 6: Summerville hosts, and he had Jerry Jeremy Podessoa, who is

785
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 6: one of the showrunners.

786
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: And a director.

787
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 6: He said something that was the big unlock for me,

788
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 6: which was there's just as much gained from this pandemic

789
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 6: as lost on the show, and they wanted to investigate.

790
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 6: Of course, there's huge pain and trauma and all of that,

791
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 6: but there were a lot of things that were gained

792
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 6: in terms of human connection and community that was built

793
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 6: and appreciated in a way that we maybe don't always

794
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 6: appreciate it today. And so that's what they really wanted

795
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 6: to explore. That and the combination of putting it twenty

796
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 6: years in the future as opposed to years one through five,

797
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 6: and it's about building your whatever, it's about how they're

798
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 6: reacting many years past that.

799
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Speaker 5: I think that's great. I like what you said about

800
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 5: the power of storytelling is being central to this, as

801
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 5: being central to this narrative because I think that's one

802
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 5: of the things that makes it hopeful. I'm also, like you,

803
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 5: a big consumer of post apocalyptic dystopian fiction, and in

804
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 5: many ways, this is like the anti the Road. This

805
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 5: is the anti Cormick McCarthy.

806
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: It is very much the anti the Road. I was

807
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: thinking that watching the most recent episode. I believe it's

808
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: episode nine. Yeah, exact story of of of doctor Yes,

809
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: we'll call him doctor jeven for now. Sorry continue no.

810
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 5: And so I I think, like the if you look

811
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 5: at the road, so that's something we can spoil. The

812
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 5: Road is about, you know, uh, let's spoil the Road.

813
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 5: I love it, but it's essentially about the universe is

814
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 5: indifferent and cruel, and it's all about survival. And so

815
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 5: you might as well have a strong moral core and

816
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 5: carry the fire because you know, horrors are going to

817
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 5: happen to you, and we're going to show you the

818
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 5: horrors in terrible detail.

819
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 6: Uh.

820
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 5: And this show consciously averts your gaze from the horror.

821
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: You know, it knows nobodies right, there's no pile of

822
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: corpses in this even though you hear about it, you

823
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: see very you don't see anybody sick. Sorry, go on again.

824
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 5: No, it's great like the but like the the show

825
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 5: knows that you're going to want to know those detail

826
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 5: I was like, well, how sick of people getting where

827
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 5: are the bodies?

828
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: Like what's happening?

829
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 5: And so it does things when, like you know, a

830
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 5: television broadcast will come on in an announcer saying like,

831
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 5: sh it's really bad. Everyone's dining faster than we thought,

832
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 5: and we're like and you and you know, you find

833
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 5: yourself leaning in like being like, okay, tell me how

834
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 5: bad it is? Do I need to get better masks?

835
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 5: What do I need to do? Like you know, do

836
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 5: I need to watch my groceries again? Like you're so

837
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 5: conditioned to respond to that kind of information, especially.

838
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: Now, And then it turns and it just turns it off.

839
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 5: It just says, Nope, we're not gonna that's you don't

840
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 5: need any more of that right now. It's so gentle

841
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 5: in the way that it does that dystopian storytelling that

842
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 5: it is. It is again like the anti the Road.

843
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 5: It's never gonna show you the basement full of people

844
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 5: whose legs you're gonna eat, Like that's just not the

845
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 5: show that they're making.

846
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,479
Speaker 6: Can I can I just quickly confess that I also

847
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 6: found the road uplifting.

848
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 5: Okay, well, that's it's just just.

849
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 6: Because there's there's a seed where where the father age loves,

850
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 6: he loves the eat, he loves the eat legs the reality.

851
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 6: So they're like starving to death, right, father and son

852
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 6: are starving to death on the pages, and you are

853
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 6: being rubbed into it. And then they meet the old

854
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 6: blind man on the road, and he still gives food

855
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 6: to the blind man. The fact that a human could

856
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 6: still seek connection and kindness in that moment, to me

857
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 6: was powerful.

858
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm glad you brought up the road because this

859
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: is anti the road's and for me, it's anti the

860
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: road in a kind of very simple way, which is

861
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: the road. Everything is devastating in the road, and we

862
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: are so far past the apocalypse that all the canned food,

863
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: all the shit is gone, and essentially the only thing

864
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: to eat is other people. Station eleven doesn't take that tech.

865
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: It takes an angle in which all the kind of

866
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: detritus of late capitalism still exists, and therefore people are

867
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: able to sustain themselves with some effort. You don't have

868
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: to go out and find some stuff, but you're you're

869
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: able to live in this kind of in the ruins

870
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: of late Capital as this kind of desiccated like Disneyland playground.

871
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: And it's this kind of theme that has popped up

872
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: and up again over and over again ever since you know,

873
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: Dawn of the Dead in nineteen seventy whatever that was,

874
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, set its characters loose in a mall surrounded

875
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: by dead people. I feel strangely conflicted about that move

876
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: because on the one hand, it's like, yes, the apocalypse

877
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: is terrible, so many people lost their lives, everyone was

878
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: touched by it. It is a tragedy and horror. On

879
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: the other hand, it would be it's it weirdly scratches

880
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: this itch of wouldn't it be cool to just like

881
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: have a lot of stuff, to have everybody's stuff. You

882
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: can just go into everybody's house and take their stuff.

883
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: They're not around anymore where you could just have their stuff.

884
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be fun? In much the same way I

885
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: feel conflicted about The Walking Dead turned into, in my opinion,

886
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: not a show that I wanted to watch after seasons

887
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: like two and three. But a lot of the way

888
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: I felt conflicted about The Walking Dead is, you know,

889
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like a lot of the

890
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: fans of that show just want to shoot their neighbors,

891
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like that that's the kind

892
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,959
Speaker 1: of impetus of that show is like, wouldn't it be cool?

893
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: Wouldn't the apoglos be cool? Because then you can just

894
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: shoot your neighbors.

895
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 5: The people who are really into that show are definitely

896
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 5: looking at what kind of stuff you've got and are

897
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 5: just like, okay, Like he's he's got a really good

898
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 5: like solar panel set up over there, and like, you know,

899
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 5: some hamhocks that I'm gonna take as soon as as

900
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 5: soon as the Purge Siren goes off.

901
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: But Haysh, I agree with you in that I think

902
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: the thing that makes The Road hopeful and Station eleven

903
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: hopeful is that it's basically about great tragedies were kind

904
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: of like fires that burned away all the artifice, and

905
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: basically what's left is how we treat each other, or

906
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: you can treat each other with kindness or are we

907
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: going to exploit each other for our stuff? And you know,

908
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: all the heroes in Station eleven are a hardened by

909
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: this experience, severely hardened obviously dealing with trauma. You know,

910
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: without the kind of like late modern life language about

911
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: how to deal with that trauma. But they are kind

912
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: to each other. They're a family to each other, and

913
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: they are trying to keep alive the great and emotionally

914
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: fulfilling works of human of human culture, at least in

915
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: the English language. Canton, you know, all that other stuff

916
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: has gotten to beat, right, Yeah, and some other stuff

917
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: and that's it. Yeah.

918
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 5: The The other part of it, though, is that you

919
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 5: touched on too, is like the importance it's not just

920
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 5: it's it is stuff, but it's specifically stuff for making art.

921
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 5: Like the kind of stuff that they value is like

922
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 5: art making stuff, Like there is an aspect to it

923
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 5: which is like, you know, the meme of you know,

924
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 5: not a phone insight, just vibes, like you know of

925
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 5: just like, oh, I wouldn't this be nice to just

926
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 5: be able to be disconnected. But the other part of

927
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 5: it is that they are driven by being storytellers and

928
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 5: they are driven by art making. And so the show's

929
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 5: interest in the process of art making itself about what

930
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 5: it means to make art in a post pandemic environment.

931
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 5: When the show itself was created in a post pandemic environment,

932
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 5: If you're the sort of audience that is into the

933
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 5: level of if you're into the process of art making itself.

934
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 5: This show is just incredible catnet because it happens to

935
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 5: have been a show about art making in a pandemic

936
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 5: that was made during a pandemic, and you know, those

937
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 5: issues are what are the texts of the show?

938
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 6: I think. I mean, one thing that really strikes out

939
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 6: on that is like all of the costuming that they do,

940
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 6: both when Kirsten is doing early costuming and then later

941
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 6: the profits followers and then the plays themselves.

942
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: It's like this.

943
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 6: Super low fi, apocalyptic Michel Gondry vibe, which I love.

944
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 6: And it's just like the combination of that with the

945
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 6: occasional flashes of Doctor eleven, you know, as this kind

946
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 6: of like very slick looking science vibe that you have

947
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 6: no explanation why or what is happening, I think is

948
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 6: incredibly powerful. I did have to yesterday to prep for this.

949
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 6: I watched Hamlet four and a half hours right Kenneth

950
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 6: Branna Wait which one which which Hamlet? Branna's Branna's Okay

951
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 6: ninety six with Derek Jacoby as as Claudius, and so

952
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 6: I had never seen Hamlet before and never read Hamlet,

953
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 6: so I wasn't getting everything, but I knew in episode

954
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 6: two that there was a lot to what she was

955
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 6: experiencing on stage as she's performing that and having flashbacks

956
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 6: to getting some important news in day zero. So it's

957
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 6: just incredible how they are using Hamlet as a mechanism

958
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 6: and the play to both communicate with other people and

959
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 6: also to heal themselves and each other. That's really the

960
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 6: power of what they're.

961
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: Doing Here's I love that as well. There is also

962
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:58,959
Speaker 1: I don't want to spoil too much about this show

963
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: because sure how many people are watching it, but I

964
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 1: feel like if they do find it, there's some really

965
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: important emotional beats that I don't want to spoil. But

966
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: a lot hinges on a indie and like very indie

967
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: graphic novel like you know, self published as far as

968
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: there are a handful of copies that people know of

969
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: that are out in the world, and people that found

970
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 1: them have been very, very moved by them. They first

971
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: of all come from a very emotional place. The person

972
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 1: who created them created them under the sway of really

973
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: intense passion, and some of that comes through and touches

974
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: the people who read it. It's a very sci fi

975
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: story about doctor Levin and the undersea and this kind

976
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: of sci fi story of betrayal and love and adventure.

977
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 1: But you know, we're living in a world now where

978
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: there's this pandemic going on. Many people have lost their lives,

979
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: everyone has in some way or fashion been affected. And

980
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: the most popular, one of the most popular touchstones for

981
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: stories right now are comic book movies. And it's this

982
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: weird mirror image of the thing that's happening now that

983
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: for me at least, helped clarify a lot of the

984
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: way I feel about this. These stories, which are you know,

985
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: they comico stories that criticize a lot, they're extremely popular,

986
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: they are pushing out one way to think about them,

987
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: as they're pushing out every other kind of story that

988
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: we used to watch in the movie theater. But another

989
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: way to think about them is as these touchstones, these

990
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,479
Speaker 1: kind of like gathering places where people a place where

991
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: people can still get together and agree on things and

992
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: converse in this like language of wonder and adventure about

993
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 1: a thing that is clearly like emotionally affecting them. Even

994
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: though it is ostensibly a very call for kids' story

995
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: that parallel in this story feels really meaningful to me

996
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: and again feels like this very primal thing that makes

997
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: us human, which is this need to talk about the

998
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: thing that we just watched or that we just listen to,

999
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 1: or that we just read, find the other people who

1000
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: read or watched or listened to the thing, and just

1001
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: share notes about it. How did this hit you? You know,

1002
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: it's like the crayon box where you first realize, oh,

1003
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: is the blue that I'm seeing the same blue as

1004
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: the other person is seeing. It's this kind of level

1005
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: set of reality where you're trying to understand the human

1006
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: condition through the eyes of another person by comparing notes

1007
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: on this thing that you both imbibed, and that felt

1008
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: very real and very much what we are all doing

1009
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: all the time. To me, it feels so special to me.

1010
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 5: The show feels like a miracle because because of that reason,

1011
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 5: like it's a show about a pandemic that was made

1012
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 5: during a pandemic and we are still living in that pandemic,

1013
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 5: and it's about, you know, this graphic novel that we

1014
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 5: never get to know the full detail, but is an

1015
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 5: incredibly meaningful story to the people who are in this world.

1016
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 5: Twenty years after they've read it and such that they

1017
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 5: want to talk about their favorite lines from it, they

1018
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 5: want to recite their favorite passages from it, and then similarly,

1019
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 5: the show itself becomes too a certain type of audience,

1020
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 5: which I think we are in of people who value

1021
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 5: the art of storytelling, who think about how stories are told,

1022
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 5: who think about how stories affect the way that we

1023
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 5: live our lives, and is helping us live through this

1024
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,479
Speaker 5: very weird moment because of the parallels to what's going

1025
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 5: on in the story. Like that just feels like it

1026
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 5: wouldn't It wouldn't matter as much if it wasn't happening

1027
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 5: right now. It wouldn't matter as much if it didn't

1028
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 5: have all of those details, but it somehow miraculously does,

1029
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 5: and it just feels like it does feel like a gift.

1030
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 5: And it's not like the pandemic was worth happening so

1031
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 5: we could get this television show, right.

1032
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: But like it is, it is it is great that

1033
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: we have this television show in the pandemic.

1034
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 6: Jason pro pandemic.

1035
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm pro pandemic. I just so pro stational.

1036
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 6: I am for the bad of it well, and it

1037
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 6: is worth calling out. Just kind of like the masterful

1038
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:05,439
Speaker 6: storytelling that's going on here.

1039
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: So it's a very complex story that takes place in

1040
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: multiple timelines with various characters, and they are displaying that

1041
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: in a way that is really evocative and well done.

1042
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 6: Let's just say, without spoiling it, we do know that

1043
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 6: the story follows. At the beginning, you have the characters

1044
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 6: of Jeevan played by Jimesh Patel and then Kirsten who's

1045
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 6: played by Matilda Lawler, who's amazing, and that's in year

1046
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 6: zero and they start out together and then later twenty

1047
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 6: years later, Kirsten is no longer with Jeevan, and we

1048
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 6: don't know why or what happened, and that is this

1049
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 6: incredibly significant element for the show. But it doesn't get

1050
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 6: revealed what happens until episode seven, and that creates this

1051
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 6: incredible mythic tension that when you're finally hearing that story.

1052
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 6: But then they also do this way of injecting the

1053
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 6: adult version. They have a very clever technique that they

1054
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 6: use so that the adult version of Kirsten is able

1055
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 6: to be part of that early process and it's magic.

1056
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 6: It's just pure magic. So I was stunned, and I

1057
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 6: want to give a shout out. Obviously, Patrick Sommerville maniac Leftovers,

1058
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 6: Like this guy has serious chops for showmaking.

1059
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Leftovers maybe the greatest, Like season two rebound

1060
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: from a season one that was like a little left

1061
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: me a little cold and disinterested, and then season two

1062
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: just like went it straight to your heart. Let's talk

1063
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: about So this has been described as the hopeful post

1064
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: apocalyptic show. I agree that it's hopeful, but I'm unclear why.

1065
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: I've been trying to unpack, Like, why is this hopeful?

1066
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it the storytelling aspect? What is it

1067
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: about it? So? What is it about it that first

1068
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: grabbed both of you?

1069
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 5: I think the part of the hopefulness that I latch

1070
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 5: onto in this is that I think we're at a

1071
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 5: moment in the pandemic right now where people are realizing

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00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 5: that there is no going back. Like it's not like

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00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 5: we're just gonna We're not gonna flatten the curve for

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00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 5: another two weeks and then everything's going to go back

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00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 5: to normal. There's some new there's some new reality that's

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00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 5: ahead of us that is still taking shape, but it's

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Speaker 5: not what we were doing before. Uh, And that is

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00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 5: That's a pretty sobering moment this show posits a theory

1079
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 5: that yes, that is what happens. You go through some

1080
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 5: inflection point of tremendous change that obviously in the show

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00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 5: is much worse than what we're living through right now.

1082
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 5: But still and yet it's not all bad. The new

1083
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 5: reality is there is something to live for. You don't

1084
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 5: just survive in the style of the road by, you know,

1085
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 5: finding the last can of Coca cola that exists in

1086
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 5: the universe. You you actually can continue to make things

1087
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 5: and love things, and become new people, and evolve as

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00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 5: a person and become a truer version of yourself despite

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00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 5: or even maybe because of this change in the world.

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00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 5: That to me is the nugget of hope that the

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00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 5: show represents.

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00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 6: And the idea that they're are people that are post

1093
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 6: pandemic right there are people who for whom this will

1094
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 6: They will never experience that trauma, They won't live through

1095
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,439
Speaker 6: that piece that that so we none of us lived

1096
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 6: through World War two. It's impossible for us to imagine

1097
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 6: the horror that a previous generation experienced. And yet for

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00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 6: us it is a normal, you know thing to exist.

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Speaker 6: So that is there is a constant renewal and rebirth, pregnancy,

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00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 6: and you know, delivery and a new generation is an

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00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 6: important theme on the show episode nine, like I was

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00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 6: crying tears of relief.

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00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: Gut punch. It is a gut punch episode. Yeah, over

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00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: and over again.

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00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I was I was just like man transcending

1106
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 6: at the end of that episode. So it was just

1107
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 6: a really.

1108
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 5: Reached its final form that episode.

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00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 6: Can we talk about Mackenzie Davis.

1110
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, she's just brings a fearsomeness to this

1111
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: role that is really really stunning. She's great, she sees

1112
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: everybody's good. That's the other thing you touched on it

1113
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: a little bit to the production value, the way it shot,

1114
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: et cetera, the props, set design. This is one of

1115
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: the best looking and performed shows on television right now.

1116
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: It just looks like, you know, as good as Book

1117
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: of Boba Fett looks filmed on the volume and at

1118
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: im this looks as good in everything that it does.

1119
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: Looks absolutely believable. You are immersed in the in the environment.

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Speaker 1: You feel like you are there with these characters and

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Speaker 1: everybody is just acting their ass off. It's fantastic.

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Speaker 5: The Mackenzie Davis thing that brings me back to your

1123
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 5: question Jason about hope because in episode two she does

1124
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Speaker 5: a bit of Shakespeare. She does the Hamlet's first speech

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Speaker 5: from Shakespeare, And it was the moment that the show

1126
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 5: clicked for me, Like it was the moment I like

1127
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 5: sort of sat forward in my seat and like sort

1128
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 5: of felt my face being pulled through the screen because,

1129
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 5: like her perform of it is is phenomenal. Jeremy Pedeswa

1130
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 5: described it as she looks. She's like has the qualities

1131
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 5: of like a silent film actress, Like just like her,

1132
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 5: her eyes communicate so much before you even get the dialogue.

1133
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Speaker 5: And the point of the speech is about the loss

1134
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 5: of a parent, and so's it's a speech about loss

1135
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 5: that's connected to things that have happened to her over

1136
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 5: the course of her twenty years in the pandemic.

1137
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: And that moment, to me.

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01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 5: Made me feel that like okay, like even though the

1139
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 5: world got ruined for these people, this moment of beauty

1140
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 5: and this multi leveled meaning of loss can still happen

1141
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 5: in this world, and that is something like that that's

1142
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 5: to me what made me first feel that this is

1143
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 5: a show about hope, not despair.

1144
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: But here's why I feel like it's hopeful and I've

1145
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: thought a lot about this. We mentioned this storytelling aspect,

1146
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: that the culture aspect of this story hinges on a

1147
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: group of characters who travel around doing Shakespeare for the

1148
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: people of the wasteland essentially, which is like the Great

1149
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: Lakes region of the Midwest with an orchestra, right, with

1150
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: an orchestra. And first of all, I can't again, as

1151
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: a fan of post apocalyptic apocalyptic fiction, I can't think

1152
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: of another story from the genre that has storytelling culture

1153
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:27,439
Speaker 1: discussions of art and music in the story as part

1154
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: of the kind of like interior discussions that characters have.

1155
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: Usually it's like just about survival kill the zombies survive

1156
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: to the next day. How are we going to reform

1157
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: the government? You know, the president is offshore in a battleship.

1158
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: How are we gonna how are we going to reconnect

1159
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: with the forces on land? It's it's all stuff like that. Well,

1160
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: that's pigo version of the of the post apocalyptic landscape,

1161
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: which doesn't give you an entree into like how people

1162
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: would have experienced it. People would have experienced it like people.

1163
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: Regular people would have experienced it by trying to grapple

1164
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: with it with the language that they have which would

1165
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: include the stuff that they have seen that you know,

1166
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: movies that touch them. And so this idea of these

1167
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: people keeping these great stories alive is hopeful to me.

1168
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: And the other thing that is hopeful to me is,

1169
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: I think we've all experienced, and we're talking about right now,

1170
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: the feeling of watching something and it managing to say

1171
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: a thing that you've never been able to verbalize quite

1172
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: in that way before and having that be this light

1173
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: bulb momently. This has happened to me numerous times with

1174
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: a million different stories, whether it's Harry Potter, Star Wars, whatever,

1175
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: round where, where all of a sudden You're like, that

1176
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: is a thing that I've always been grasping at without

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01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: maybe knowing it, that this story just grasped and exactly

1178
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: the way that I felt, and and that has added

1179
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: something to my life that is meaningful. This show is

1180
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: about that. This show is about that.

1181
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 6: You know, the motive for the Traveling Symphony or the

1182
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 6: words survival is insufficient, right, and that it has to

1183
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 6: be more, it has to be thriving, it has to

1184
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 6: be elevating. And it's interesting that episode two was the

1185
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 6: final episode that they shot, and that's the one that

1186
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 6: it's all summertime, and when they're putting on that play

1187
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 6: of Hamlet and it's so green, and even that opening

1188
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 6: scene they're marching to Parliament give up the funk like

1189
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 6: that needle drop is huge, or them sitting by the

1190
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 6: campfire playing music together, they are still even reduced back

1191
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 6: to campfire state, still finding that ability to elevate.

1192
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that is what has really hit me about

1193
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 1: this show. And I think if people are you know,

1194
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 1: a little wary in COVID times of watching a show

1195
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: that is so close to the bone. I come away

1196
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: from every episode thinking like, if anything, the pandemic is

1197
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: an opportunity to just kind of like be generous to

1198
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: each other in the like the lowest lift way possible.

1199
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: That's the I mean. The other thing I come away

1200
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: from the show thinking is like, just like how easy

1201
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: it is to be, without spending any money or actually

1202
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: any capital at all, to just kind of like be

1203
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: nicer to people in a way that helps them somehow

1204
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: move on through this.

1205
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 6: Create something, share something, share.

1206
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 1: Sharing something that we can all talk about that helps

1207
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: us deal with whatever this is. I think like escapism

1208
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: is a word that's tossed around a lot and I

1209
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: think there is a significant amount of escapism and a

1210
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: lot of the stories, the popular stories that are going

1211
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: on now, but also like, these are stories that are

1212
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: helping us process this time, and I think that we

1213
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: shouldn't shouldn't be discounted. Do you think you your fellows

1214
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: are gonna read the book?

1215
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it'll be the next book I read,

1216
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 5: for sure. My wife is currently blazing a trail through

1217
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 5: the Wheel of Time books and she's on like book six.

1218
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 5: Like I just keep getting like these updates, like.

1219
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 6: From she slowly down though, that's slowing down because she

1220
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 6: was burning through the first four.

1221
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, she really liked the fifth one, and so like

1222
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 5: she she she's I think she spent some time with that,

1223
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 5: and so she'll just like, you know, we'll be talking

1224
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 5: and I'll be like, well, I don't know what we're

1225
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 5: going to do that. She's like, well, the wheel wheels?

1226
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 2: What the wheel was?

1227
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 7: You know.

1228
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, I don't know.

1229
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 6: I played the Wheel of Time RPG, the D twenty

1230
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 6: version back in the day, but I had to I

1231
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 6: had to drop off on book four or five. I

1232
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 6: was like, okay, this is just not going to get there.

1233
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: Book four or five is apparently where a lot of

1234
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: wheel spinning happens.

1235
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 6: But I'm in the midst of the Three Body Problem.

1236
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 6: I just finished Dark Forest, which is on the forest.

1237
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,479
Speaker 1: For those of you out there looking for some sci

1238
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: fi to read during this time that will melt your brain.

1239
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: Melt your brain now. Three Body Problem by Lujijing I

1240
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 1: I hope I'm pronouncing the author's name correctly, is a

1241
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 1: sign I fight trilogy about an alien invasion, and it

1242
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: is hard sci fi with like actual science behind it.

1243
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 1: And book two, The Dark Forest, is fucking crazy, just

1244
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: mind melting kind of sci fi stuff. Can't recommend it

1245
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: highly enough if you're gonna if you're looking for something

1246
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: else to read, that's a that's a great wreck.

1247
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 5: The book I'm finishing right now is parable of The

1248
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:29,439
Speaker 5: Sewer by A King, which is another dystopian novel and

1249
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 5: and does have like a similar It has a similar

1250
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 5: vibe in that like there's it's a perspective of a woman,

1251
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 5: and I was like, you know, it was written by

1252
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 5: a woman, and so yeah and so like. But like

1253
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 5: in the Road, you know, I always joke about like that.

1254
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 5: The Road makes me feel terribly inadequate because basically your

1255
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 5: value yeah, as a father and a man. It's like

1256
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 5: if you don't know how to like field strip a rifle,

1257
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 5: if you don't know how to like weld you know,

1258
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 5: a fence, or you know, just be handy and stuff

1259
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 5: like that. Like I can barely put together I kia furniture.

1260
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 5: I'm like, well, I'm fed in the apocalypse. I guess

1261
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 5: it's not gonna work.

1262
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: Out for me.

1263
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 5: Like these these stories, like whether it's like Tavia Butler,

1264
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 5: where the main character is a hyper impath who can

1265
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 5: feel the feelings of other characters and is like writing

1266
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 5: her own writing her own gospel of of what it

1267
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 5: means to change, or uh, you know, or Station eleven,

1268
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 5: which is about you know, the power of storytelling and

1269
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 5: finding hope even though the world has changed. Like those

1270
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 5: just have this other nurturing like different view on what

1271
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 5: it means to survive trauma and what it means to

1272
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 5: survive apocalyptic change. And so it's a nice, uh, it's

1273
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 5: a nice respite from some of these other stories, which

1274
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 5: I enjoy quite a bit too.

1275
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:44,759
Speaker 6: I just want to give one shot, just if folks

1276
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 6: haven't checked it out. Hamlet pretty good.

1277
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: It turns out, turns out Billy Shakes was onto something.

1278
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:56,600
Speaker 1: It was really right, my man, Billy Shakes. Okay, So,

1279
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 1: as fans of a foc look to fiction, let's leave

1280
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: let's leave our listeners with some of our favorites from

1281
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: the genre. If you all feel comfortable sharing whichever ones

1282
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: you've got, hah. Do you have any favorites?

1283
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 6: Well, definitely. I mean I was a huge Walking Dead

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Speaker 6: fan on the comic, you know, back in the day

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Speaker 6: but before that happened, And I actually do think that

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Speaker 6: is an incredibly powerful one. Obviously Donna the Dead as

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Speaker 6: as like a ten year old in nineteen eighty seeing

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Speaker 6: that that changed everything for me, and that idea of

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Speaker 6: I don't just looking at the world in a new

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Speaker 6: way and seeing things fall down, that's probably that's probably

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Speaker 6: my favorite.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Jason, I mean I kind of go. I think

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Speaker 5: I do actually despite my recommendation, just by what I

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Speaker 5: said about it, like The Road is an incredible book

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Speaker 5: to read, Like Kermick McCarthy's writing.

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Speaker 1: Is just unreal, unbelievable.

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Speaker 5: It'll just like really sere your brain. Maybe not the

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Speaker 5: best one for the current times, but is an amazing book.

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Speaker 1: I actually I really like.

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Speaker 5: The Mad Max movies as a post a potat, particularly

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Speaker 5: like Thunderdome, which is obviously can be like you were

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01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 5: talking about, another another movie that's like obsessed with storytelling

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01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 5: or has storytelling as an element of bit. One of

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Speaker 5: the post apocalyptic dystopian scenes that I think about the

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Speaker 5: most and I kind of continually come back to is

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Speaker 5: the end of Thunderdome is like, yo, every night we

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Speaker 5: do you know, it tells the telle and we lights

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01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 5: the lights for those who are still wondering. Like that

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Speaker 5: to me, that that idea of like, you know, the

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Speaker 5: world's ended, but we're going to carry the story forward

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Speaker 5: is again a big theme in Station eleven and one

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Speaker 5: that I just love in fiction. As you know, we

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Speaker 5: are all obviously people who love stories. We love looking

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Speaker 5: at what makes story works and like why it touches

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Speaker 5: us in a certain way. Probably people who are listening

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Speaker 5: to this podcast have those kind of inclinations as well.

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Speaker 5: This type of show is worthy of your attention because

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Speaker 5: it will activate your.

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Speaker 1: Brain on that level. Yeah, I love these choices. A

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Speaker 1: big fan of the road. Also, how about cloud out lists.

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Speaker 1: Cloud out lists is truly hope because the scope that

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Speaker 1: it has. One of cloud Outless's messages is if you

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01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 1: are being ruled by like a brutal autocrat. Just give

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01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 1: it time, because in a thousand years or two thousand years,

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01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 1: everybody will have chilled out and will have respect for

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Speaker 1: each other. So that, like that is a hopeful message

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Speaker 1: from claud I love cloud outless as well.

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Speaker 2: How about the movie?

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Speaker 6: How are you with the movie?

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Speaker 2: Very bad?

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Speaker 1: I think Traps worse than any other sci fi movie

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Speaker 1: twelve and fifteen years. I think everybody involved with it

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Speaker 1: would probably like us to not talk about it right

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Speaker 1: here on this podcast seas talking about it, so no

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Speaker 1: one ever googles it or looks at it or remembers

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Speaker 1: that it happened.

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Speaker 6: Okay, they shouldn't listen to the episode, No, but listen

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Speaker 6: to that Let's see so the road I love as well.

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Speaker 1: I think listen to Cormack McCarthy, whether you're a book

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01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 1: reader or a literary person or whatever. His ability to

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01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 1: combine like almost narrative writing of like biblical power with

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01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: dialogue that feels like you are listening to just regular

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01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:20,600
Speaker 1: people speak. That contrast is unbelievable, and he just is

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01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: able to conjure like the full force of human emotion,

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01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 1: the way a father feels for us on the way

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Speaker 1: that a child looks at a world, even a desolate world,

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Speaker 1: with some kind of wonder and curiosity that is at

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01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 1: once dangerous and makes that child extremely vulnerable, but is

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Speaker 1: also something precious to be secured for as long as

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01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 1: possible to. He captures that in that book in a

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Speaker 1: way that is unbelievable. Donna the Dead also, the opening

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01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: of Donna the Dead is one of the greatest things

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01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: that's ever been put to It's amazing orics and Craig,

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Speaker 1: did you read that. I did not read that. Let

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Speaker 1: me put on Margaret, let me put that on my list.

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Speaker 1: The Dog Stars by Peter Heller came out. I want

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01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 1: to say about ten years ago post apocalyptic fiction said

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01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 1: in Colorado. One of the great like Man and His

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Speaker 1: Dog stories in recent like sci fi and then Children

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Speaker 1: of Men, I think is when I saw it, it

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01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:30,719
Speaker 1: felt like Prophet. It really felt like you're watching something

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Speaker 1: that could happen. And yet despite all of that, and

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Speaker 1: despite many of the things that you see in that

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01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 1: movie actually coming to pass in some form or fashion

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Speaker 1: in the intervening years, it is also a story that

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Speaker 1: feels hopeful.

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Speaker 5: Those are those are my children of Men. We just

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Speaker 5: rewatched that for the pod recently and it is it

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Speaker 5: holds up. It's like one of those like why isn't

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Speaker 5: everyone talking about this movie like this?

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Speaker 1: Why is everybody talking about this movie that predicted everything

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Speaker 1: that was.

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Speaker 7: Like it is.

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Speaker 1: It feels as present as day came out. It is

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01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:10,560
Speaker 1: and it is truly like Bravara filmmaking. Some of the

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01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: one takes in that are like mind blowing stuff.

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Speaker 6: That's Children of Men is a special genre. That's what

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Speaker 6: Jason coined the term the slow shitty apocalypse. The world

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01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 6: has ended, but you still have to wait in line

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Speaker 6: to get coffee and you know your shitty job.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like everything like you know what you know,

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01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,639
Speaker 5: mankind is ruined, but like you still have to get

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01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 5: You still for some reason, have to wait for like

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01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 5: you know, groceries, you have to wait to like you know.

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Speaker 1: Get your I mean, and this is what we were

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Speaker 1: living for. This pretty much sucks. But if you still

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Speaker 1: have the wherewithal to go to the grocery store, that

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01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 1: you're one of the lucky ones. And life in some

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Speaker 1: form of boring fashion continues apace.

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Speaker 2: Gentland.

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Speaker 1: This has been a really fun I hope people who

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Speaker 1: I hope people will give Station eleven try if not

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Speaker 1: read the book. The book is fantastic and very and

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Speaker 1: not at all harrowing in the same kind of way

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01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: that the show is. They're both harrowing in their in

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01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: their way, but not like, it's not the road. Let's

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01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 1: just say that, Oh, if you were scared off by

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01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 1: the road, it's not the road, give it a try.

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Speaker 5: Watch through episode two would be my advice as well,

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Speaker 5: because episode one deals with like the is the most

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01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 5: kind of present of things going south, So like, watch

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01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 5: through episode two to just give yourself a chance to

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01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,560
Speaker 5: convince yourself that it's not about just like you know,

1404
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 5: post apocalyptic pandemic porn, Like it's not just going to

1405
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:34,599
Speaker 5: traumatize you for for no reason.

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01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: Where can uh where can people find your your stuff?

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01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 1: What do you have to plug for us?

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01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, dudepod is on all major platforms, so wherever you

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01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 6: listen to this episode, you can listen to dudepod as well.

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01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 6: And I'll just call out a couple of films that

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01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 6: we've covered recently. We just had our season finale in

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01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 6: December for season four was Tron Legacy and then came

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01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 6: back We're just killing really fun episode and then French

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01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 6: Dispatch was our premiere that launched this week. And then

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01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 6: we've got Ghostbusters, Starship Troopers, Thin, Red Line, Bound, and

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01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 6: Kill Bill Volume one and two all coming up in

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01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 6: the next month.

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Speaker 1: So he's on your Who's on your Starship Troopers episode?

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Speaker 6: That's Slim from seventy millimeters in the Letterbox podcast.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's gonna be a special one. Then when h

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01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:21,440
Speaker 5: says that Dune pott is available on all major platforms,

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01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 5: he means that it is also on a like end gear,

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01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 5: play playable device that's been stored in an airport tower

1424
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:29,719
Speaker 5: that you can do, you can.

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01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 1: Go and retrieved. I wanted an end gear at a

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01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 1: certain point in time. I was like, that is going

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Speaker 1: to be the thing.

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Speaker 2: It was not the thing.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, people can listen to any episode, Like, just

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01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 6: choose your favorite movie and give it a listen. You

1431
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 6: don't have to be a hardcore Dune fan. We just

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01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 6: talk about great movies and have a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Jason and h thank you for joining us. This is fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Up next nerd Out. In this

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Speaker 1: week's nerd Out, Ashley Clark pitches us on CW's Superman

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Speaker 1: and Lois.

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Speaker 4: As anyone who's been a comics fan for any stretch

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01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 4: of time knows, when you've got multiple writers, you're going

1439
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 4: to get multiple interpretations, and some of them are going

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01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 4: to suck. I first met Superman through the grainy lens

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01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 4: of a VHS tape of the Flaciers Superman cartoons, and

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01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,719
Speaker 4: I loved it. The cartoons were beautiful and the action

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01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 4: sequences were great, and he was fighting mummies. I had

1444
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 4: a fixation with ancient Egypt, but.

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Speaker 2: That was about as far as it went.

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Speaker 4: Then in college, an acquaintance introduced me to The Long

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01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 4: Halloween and convinced me to watch those nineties Batman cartoons

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01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 4: that I wasn't able to get out in the Sticks

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Speaker 4: where I lived, and in the time of life when

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01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 4: you're most inclined to try and find yourself, I felt

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01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 4: like I had been taken back home. I was the

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01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 4: little kid plopped in front of the Zenith console television again.

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01:17:58,360 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: So why is Batman on my face?

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01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 4: In Short's Smallville, it's cheesy in a good way and

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01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 4: sometimes falls into w B slash c W pitfalls in

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01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 4: a bad way, but mostly it's a show about a

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01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:16,640
Speaker 4: guy just trying his best to do good, to do

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01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 4: the right thing, and so I grabbed up everything Clark

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Speaker 4: can I could find. I devoured the movies and read

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Speaker 4: all the graphic novels I could get at the library.

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Speaker 2: Some of the movies and comics I liked.

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Speaker 4: But a lot of it didn't ring true to the

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Speaker 4: character that I was introduced to with the cartoons, or

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01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 4: it wasn't true to the roots of the character, the

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01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 4: guy who stood up for the common man because he

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Speaker 4: is one of them. Superman is a guy with absolute power,

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Speaker 4: but he chooses to do the selfless thing. When Man

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Speaker 4: of Steele finally came out, it was the first time,

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Speaker 4: as a rural Appalachian that I saw the side of

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Speaker 4: Clark that often gets lost in the planet, bench pressing

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Speaker 4: his deeply blue collar roots. But I also have to

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Speaker 4: contend with the dichotomy of his godlike aloofness, and so

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Speaker 4: I wasn't excited when I heard that the CW was

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01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:10,560
Speaker 4: making Superman and lois so many DC writers seem to

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01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 4: treat Superman like he's boring, like he needs to be

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01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 4: fighting the biggest monsters, or he needs to become evil

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01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 4: or fascist to be interesting. But then I finally watched

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Speaker 4: the pilot, and I was hooked within the first five minutes.

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Speaker 4: This show distilled absolutely everything I loved about the character

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Speaker 4: into the initial montage. Here is a superman that actually

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01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 4: thinks when he is trying to save that completely mandatory

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01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 4: runaway train. Here is a superman that is allowed to

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01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 4: show his anger and is beautifully juxtaposed with another character

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01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 4: that has gained powers, yet he must maintain humanity's trust,

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01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 4: which requires control. And the fact that they let him

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01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 4: smack a table without breaking it after talking about this

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01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 4: is pure genius. Here is a superman that listens to

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Speaker 4: those around him, makes mistakes and acknowledges them, but he

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01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 4: also recognizes how amazing Lois is, tries to be a

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01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 4: good dad, and the show allows Lois to be equally

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01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 4: as important in her own way apart from him. The

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01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 4: show also addresses rural issues in such a way that

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01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 4: I knew there had to be a person from a

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01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 4: rural community on the writing staff, and I found out

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01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 4: later that one of the exec producers is from the Midwest.

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Speaker 4: The villains are interesting, and strong side characters are given actual,

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Speaker 4: meaningful arcs. If the world fell into a complete shambles

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Speaker 1: show notes. Up next the End Game. Folks, we are

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Speaker 1: in the Endgame now and today we just have one

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Speaker 1: simple question. What apocalypse do you want to live through?

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Speaker 1: Where would you want to be? What would you want

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Speaker 1: to do? What apocalypse? What end of the world story

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Speaker 1: do you think is the most appealing to you and

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Speaker 1: that you would like to live in? Rosie? Would you

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Speaker 1: like to go first?

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Speaker 3: You go fast?

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Speaker 2: You got fast?

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Speaker 1: I got I got got so I'm this is my

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Speaker 1: top pick, but I have several other ones. I think

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Speaker 1: that the New Matrix movie was a little mixed for me,

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Speaker 1: but it would be The Matrix because of the fact

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Speaker 1: that you could escape into the Matrix for a while,

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Speaker 1: even if you're living in what appears to be a

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Speaker 1: human utopia in one of their underground cities, you know,

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Speaker 1: and that if you have the jacks in your neck,

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Speaker 1: you can also hook yourself up to some kind of

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Speaker 1: neutered and more peaceful version of the Matrix in which

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Speaker 1: you could just kind of like experience life in whatever

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Speaker 1: form you would want to. So I'm going to say

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Speaker 1: the Matrix with special consideration for uh, I guess Dawn

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Speaker 1: of the Dead because I just never leave the mall

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Speaker 1: and then you everything you need. You got everything you

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Speaker 1: need there, and then gosh, it's a mad Max Fury Road,

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Speaker 1: just because like I want to. I want to I

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Speaker 1: want to drive with with Mad Max. I want to

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Speaker 1: drive with Furiosa. And things seemed like they were better

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Speaker 1: at the end of Mad Max Fury Road, you know,

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Speaker 1: things were things were changing for the better. So I'm

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Speaker 1: going to go with those What about you, Rosie, I

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Speaker 1: love that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you about the Matrix totally, especially

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Speaker 2: like I loved Resurrections. It was definitely up and down,

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Speaker 2: but I love the romance of it. But like I did,

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Speaker 2: I love the aspect of the Matrix where I like,

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Speaker 2: if you have a jack in your neck and you

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Speaker 2: know what you're doing, you could just be flying. You

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Speaker 2: can like reshape the world in image or in the

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Speaker 2: better image for the kind of world, which is what

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Speaker 2: Matrix Resurrection kind of hints. At at the end. So

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Speaker 2: I think that's a really cool pick. I love this

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Speaker 2: question because everyone always has their little like what would

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Speaker 2: you do in the zombie apocalypse? Like do you have

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Speaker 2: your plan? But I would never pick the zombie apocalypse

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Speaker 2: because I don't want to get eaten by a zombie.

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Speaker 2: I'll probably go for like Escape from New York or.

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Speaker 3: Escape from LA.

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Speaker 2: I like both of them.

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Speaker 3: Escape from LA you can do some surfing.

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Speaker 1: You know, but you play a little basketball, yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm a big sucker for like the eighties

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Speaker 2: like ragtag gangs of survivors and you get to wear

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Speaker 2: a cool like ripped off denim jacket and be like

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Speaker 2: souping up a car, or maybe you're just like part

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Speaker 2: of the rebellion and you're doing something really cool. I

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Speaker 2: love that kind of esthetic. I think last time we

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Speaker 2: played this with Dystopia as I picked a Kira, So

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Speaker 2: I will also give a special shower to a Kira

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Speaker 2: because I want to ride a light cycle. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think the funnest thing about this is

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Speaker 2: we can imagine a version of an apocalypse rather than

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Speaker 2: the one we're living for, So like I would go

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Speaker 2: the other one as well. As NORTHSCA because I want

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Speaker 2: to live in to hire Miazaki world and I want

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Speaker 2: to mask and a cool flying machine and may see.

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Speaker 1: That's that's what my matrix. If we were in the

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Speaker 1: matrix post apocalyptic world and I had access to, you know,

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Speaker 1: a computer simulation program, and I had the jack in

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Speaker 1: my neck, I would make like a Miyazaki world inside

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Speaker 1: the computer.

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Speaker 2: Well I lived in.

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Speaker 3: That's a genius idea.

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Speaker 6: You never need to leave.

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Speaker 1: I would. That's it. That's it for the endgame. Let

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Speaker 1: us know who you think one and who you would

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Speaker 1: pick or what apocalyptic fiction you would pick to live

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Speaker 1: in and tweet it at us or posted at us

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Speaker 1: with hashtag XRVN game to give us your pick. That

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Speaker 1: was really fun, Rosie Big thank you to Rosie Knight,

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Speaker 1: to Jason and h from the Dune fod for joining

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Speaker 1: next episode on January twenty first, and again, send your

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Speaker 1: Quick reminder that The Eternals is now out on Disney Plus.

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Speaker 1: I watched it. I did watch it last night. I

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Speaker 8: I was bruised and battered.

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Speaker 8: I was unrecognizable to myself, saw my reflection in the

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Speaker 9: all in the name of ending racism.

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