1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Welcomed. Aaron Manky's Cabinet of Curiosity is a production of 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and Grim and Mild. Our world is full 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: of the unexplainable, and if history is an open book, 4 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: all of these amazing tales are right there on display, 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: just waiting for us to explore. Welcome to the Cabinet 6 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: of Curiosities. The games we enjoy today have evolved over time. 7 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: Baseball in basketball, for example, look a lot different today 8 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: than they did fifty years ago, and soccer or football 9 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: for listeners outside of the United States, might have undergone 10 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: the most change. It used to be a lot closer 11 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: to rugby. But one man sought to change all of 12 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: that when he wasn't walking along the bottom of the 13 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: New York Bay. His name was Arthur Pember. Born in Brixton, England, 14 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: in eighteen thirty five, Pember came from a wealthy family, 15 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: his father a successful stockbroker. He was homeschooled and didn't 16 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 1: go to college, choosing instead to work alongside his father 17 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: in London as a stockbroker as well. Pember eventually married 18 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Houghton in eighteen sixty, but after she died from 19 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: complications arising from a miscarriage. He remarried in eighteen sixty 20 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: two to Alice Mary Grieve, but eighteen sixty two also 21 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: marked the start of a blooming passion for Pember the 22 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: No Names or n N football club. He could often 23 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,559 Speaker 1: be found clad in a knitted jersey and cap, scrambling 24 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: across a field in northwest London as he tried to 25 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: put a ball between a pair of goal posts stuck 26 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: in the dirt. He became team captain the following year 27 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: and represented the club at a meeting of all the 28 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: other clubs in the area in October of eighteen sixty three. 29 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: Football was something of a wild West back then, before 30 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: things were standardized and coded. Every club town seemed to 31 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: have its own set of rules. For example, Cambridge University 32 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: used only their feet, but players at the Rugby Public 33 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: School use their hands to carry the ball. Rugby Public 34 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: School also happened to be where the sport of rugby originated. 35 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: With everyone else playing by different rules and regulations, figuring 36 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: out who scored and who won became something of a headache. 37 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: Pember chaired the first football club meeting and explained to 38 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: the group how the sport they loved needed a universal 39 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: rule book. Not only would it make it easier for 40 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: everyone to play, but it would also expand its appeal 41 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: outside of their organization. They all agreed, and by the 42 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: end of the meeting two decisions had been made. First, 43 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: the captains of eleven clubs came together to form an 44 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: official governing body known as the Football Association, and secondly, 45 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: they elected Arthur Pember as its president. But not everyone 46 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: was in agreement. England's public schools already played by their 47 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 1: own rules and had no interest in joining the Association 48 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: unless they had a prominent role in either creating the 49 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: new guidelines or running them entirely. Public schools in the 50 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: UK weren't like the public schools in America. They were 51 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: institutions meant for the elites of high society. Pember had 52 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: never attended a public school, and he had no interest 53 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: in letting them steamroll his efforts of football standardization. He 54 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: got to work laying down the law. Players could no 55 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: longer run while holding the ball, nor could they kick 56 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: or trip someone below the knee, otherwise known as hacking. 57 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: It took five meetings and a lot of heartache, but 58 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: in the end Pember got his rule book. The laws 59 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: of the game were sold for a shilling apiece published 60 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: as an easy to carry booklets. The association kicked off 61 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: part in the pun the adoption of its new rules 62 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: on January ninth of eighteen sixty four with a game 63 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: between two teams, one captain by Pember himself. The president 64 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: side one two to zero, kicking off Pember's multi year 65 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: tenure as a prominent football player and high ranking member 66 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: of these asociation. Roughly four years later, Pember and his 67 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: family moved across the Pond to America, settling in New 68 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: York City on Manhattan's Upper East Side. Aside from football, 69 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: there was another activity he loved, mountaineering. Back in eighteen 70 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: sixty three, Pember had actually summitted Mount Blanc in the 71 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: Alps and now lectured in New York. On his climbing experiences, 72 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: he was almost never satisfied and sought new ways to 73 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: push himself. But more importantly, Pember seemed to have a 74 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: problem with bullies, as he had handled back home by 75 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: refusing to let one football club kick opposing players during games, 76 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: as I said, a practice known as hacking. His stance 77 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: caused that club to leave the association entirely. He took 78 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: a job for the New York Tribune, investigating corruption among 79 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: the police departments in prisons. He also reported for The 80 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: New York Times on how the poor lived by disguising 81 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: himself as a beggar and embedding himself among them. But 82 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: one story still nagged at him. It had captivated him 83 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: soon after his arrival in New York when he learned 84 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: about the existence of the Fiji Mermaid, an exhibit that 85 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: had been part of P. T. Barnum's American Museum. The 86 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: mermaid was a three ft long sea creature that had 87 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,119 Speaker 1: been allegedly purchased from Japanese sailors in eighteen twenty two. 88 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 1: It had a fish like tail, a shriveled body, and 89 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: a mouth full of teeth. It had been a hoax, 90 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: obviously most likely made of paper mache, but Pember didn't care. 91 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: Even though he knew better. He believed traveling to the 92 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: bottom of New York Bay made for a must read story. 93 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: Papers were already reporting on the potential mermaid sighting by 94 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: a mother who had allegedly witnessed one off the coast 95 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: of Cape Cod in eighteen seventy two. Pember donned a 96 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: diving suit and stepped off a boat into the murky 97 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: depths of New York Bay. His boots weighed sixteen pounds 98 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: and carried him to the bottom, helped by a hundred 99 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: pound weight that had been fastened to his chest. He 100 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: certainly got an Eiffel of absolutely nothing. The bay was 101 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: too polluted to see anything at all. He wrote his 102 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: story saying, I can vouch for the fact that there 103 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: are no mermaids in New York Bay, at least not 104 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: in that part of which I explored. Pember, after suffering 105 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: the losses of several of his children and his wife Alice, 106 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: eventually left New York for North Dakota, where he wrote 107 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: a book about his time as a journalist back east. Unfortunately, 108 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: he never finished it. He died at the age of 109 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: fifty eight. Though his life ended abruptly, he left behind 110 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: a sizeable legacy, and not just as a journalist. One 111 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: week before he died, Pember read in The Times that 112 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: local football clubs were playing the game according to the 113 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: rules laid down by the Football Association in England. His rules. 114 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: He might not have found mermaids in New York Bay, 115 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: but Arthur Pember had changed the face of one of 116 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: the world's most popular sports during his short time on 117 00:06:50,200 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: this earth. New Jersey is known for a lot of 118 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: weird things. Heck, there's even a whole magazine devoted to it, 119 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: from haunted roads, to abandoned mental facilities to strange creatures 120 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: lurking within its woods. New Jersey isn't just about boardwalk 121 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: pizza and turnpike exits, but one weird story that doesn't 122 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: often get told revolves around a man named Charles Bruin. 123 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: Bruin was a Civil War veteran who had moved to Burlington, 124 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: New Jersey after the war to become a tailor. He 125 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: led a quiet life, getting along with his neighbors and 126 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: attending church every Sunday. However, on November nine of nineteen 127 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: o three, the unexplainable happened. Charles Bruin disappeared. No one 128 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: knew what had happened to him. His neighbors hadn't seen him. 129 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: The police and friends searched high and low, even across 130 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: state lines, for the valued member of their community, to 131 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: no avail. All that remained was a man's hat with 132 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: a piece of paper bearing his name. The items that 133 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: have been found on a ferry, the crew of which 134 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: hadn't remembered seeing him either. Four years went by. A 135 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: man by the name of Alfred Woolman had moved from Burlington, 136 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: New Jersey, to Plainfield, Vermont, and taken a job as 137 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: a trolley conductor. He was watching his passengers boarding the 138 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: trolley when a man stepped on for a ride. Woolman 139 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: recognized him immediately. After all, he had been a mainstay 140 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: of Burlington for so long and had been missing for 141 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: the past four years. It was Charles Bruin. His friends 142 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: and neighbors were surely going to be thrilled that he 143 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: was still alive. Woolman walked over and greeted the man, 144 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: asking him what had happened, why he had left. The 145 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: passenger looked up as though Woolman was a stranger. He 146 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: told him he must have the wrong person. He said 147 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: his name was Frank Johnson from New York and he 148 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: didn't know this Bruin the conductor was talking about. Johnson 149 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: exited the trolley soon after leaving. Woolman stupefied, but the 150 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: conductor refused to let it go. He started asking around 151 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: town if anyone knew this man, Frank Johnson. As it's 152 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: turned out they did. Johnson had arrived in Vermont three 153 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: years prior, and just like Bruin, he kept mostly to himself. 154 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: He was simply a god fearing man who attended church 155 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 1: on Sundays. But that wasn't enough for Woolman. He had 156 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: to know for sure. He was like a dog with 157 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: a bone, and he knew he needed help to bring 158 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: closure to the case. He reached out to Bruin's brother, 159 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: who came to Burlington and greeted the man who looked 160 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: exactly like his sibling. Johnson, however, was upset. He had 161 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: already told Woolman that he was not Charles Bruin. He 162 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: had no idea who these people were, including the man 163 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: claiming to be his brother, So Johnson explained to them 164 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: the details of his old life in New York. He 165 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: had had a daughter who still lived there. Her name 166 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: was Anne, and he had recently purchased a life insurance 167 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: policy for her. Frank Johnson's back story was full of 168 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: little details, and for a moment it sounded like Woolman 169 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: and the brother had gotten mixed up in the bizarre 170 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: case of mistaken identity. They all eventually departed and the 171 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: story wound up in a local newspaper. Maybe it was 172 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: a slow news day, A friend of Johnson's name, Dr 173 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: Buchanan read the story about Woolman, the brother and Charles 174 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: Bruin from Burlington, New Jersey. As it so happened, Buchanan's 175 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: father had been a chaplain back in Burlington's and asked 176 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: him if he had ever known Charles Bruin. Then, around 177 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: June thirty, Buchanan was awoken in the middle of the 178 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: night by a phone call. It was Johnson's landlady. Her 179 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: tenant had apparently woken up without any knowledge of where 180 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: he was or how he had gotten there, and Johnson 181 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: told her that his name was Charles Bruin. Buchanan and 182 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: his father hurried to the home where Johnson knee Bruin 183 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: was staying and found him pale faced and in a daze. 184 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: He said he was Charles Bruin from Burlington, New Jersey. 185 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: He recognized Dr Buchanan's father, but the last four years 186 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: were a blank. He didn't remember Anne or New York 187 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: or any of what he had told Woolman and his 188 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: brother a short time earlier. He did, however, remember everything 189 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: that had happened before he became Frank Johnson, such as 190 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: his life in New Jersey and his time in the 191 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: Civil War, but something else had cropped up doing Bruin's 192 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: life as Frank Johnson his prophetic dreams. One dream had 193 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: involved a fire in a shop in which a woman 194 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: named Miss Brown would have died, but Johnson had been 195 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: there to save her. The following day, fire broke out 196 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: at the same establishment, just as he predicted, and he 197 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: stepped in to save Miss Brown's life for real. Another 198 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: dream occurred after an incident in which he had repaired 199 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 1: a fur coat and then sent it back to its owner. 200 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: The owner returned it, saying that the lining was shredded 201 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: by the time it had reached him. That night, Johnson 202 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: dreamt that he had taken the coat back to New York, 203 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: where he met a small man who told him the 204 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: skins that he had used for the lining were the 205 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: wrong type. The next day, Johnson packed up the coats, 206 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: took it to New York, and met the man that 207 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: he had seen in his dream. The rest of the 208 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: events transpired exactly as he predicted. No one knew exactly 209 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 1: what had caused Charles Bruin to abandon his old life 210 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: and start a new one as Frank Johnson, nor could 211 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: they explain in his ability to predict the future through 212 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: his dreams, although his story was reported on in several 213 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: newspapers and the Journal of American Society for Psychical Research. 214 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: As for Bruin, he went back to New Jersey where 215 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: he was reunited with his family. One week later, however, 216 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: he moved back to Vermont where he got his old 217 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: job back, the one that he had when he was 218 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: Frank Johnson. Because apparently, some habits, even the ones we 219 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: don't remember, and definitely be hard to break. I hope 220 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: you've enjoyed today's guided tour of the Cabinet of Curiosities. 221 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: Subscribe for free on Apple Podcasts, or learn more about 222 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: the show by visiting Curiosities podcast dot com. The show 223 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: was created by me Aaron Manky in partnership with how 224 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: Stuff Works. 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