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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker and I get

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Speaker 2: to be here every single night with Courtney Armstrong and

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Speaker 2: Body move In and the boys. We have Taha, Adam

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Speaker 2: talkback Tuesdays. It is Tuesday, October fourteenth, and we have

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Speaker 2: a stacked night of talkbacks. So ladies everyone, it's kind

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Speaker 2: of my favorite night of the week because it's a

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Speaker 2: It's a little bit more wild exactly. And everyone gets

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Speaker 2: to help make the show together. Yes, for sure exactly,

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Speaker 2: So keep your talkbacks coming. It could also call us

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Speaker 2: big kitchen table discussion and Courtney cooked as something delicious. Mm,

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Speaker 2: she wasn't me, that's for sure. Yeah, I burn water

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Speaker 2: my game happened. That's why I have to do meal prep.

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Speaker 3: He does.

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Speaker 2: Oh, she's good with the meal prep. But yeah, I

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Speaker 2: don't look at me kids, but talk about today. So

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Speaker 2: let's just jump right in.

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Speaker 4: Oh all right, if I have a question and a comment,

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Speaker 4: it Seemsley from Canada. My question is whether True Crime

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Speaker 4: and Chill is going to continue or if it's just

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Speaker 4: going to happen when the series come out that we

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Speaker 4: all want to watch. And then my comment is that

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Speaker 4: I think it'll be quite interesting when the last digital

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Speaker 4: print is analyzed. I think we'll learn a lot from herself,

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Speaker 4: curious to know if the pattern of David Colleen and

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Speaker 4: texting her had changed after he went on tour. Anyways,

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Speaker 4: look forward to listening to you next five.

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Speaker 2: Finley so good. She's so good to hear. She has

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Speaker 2: such good questions, I know.

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Speaker 5: Right, So, the first question was about True Crimenhill, right,

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Speaker 5: is it a permanent feature or are we only doing

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Speaker 5: it when there's like series we want to watch? Right

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Speaker 5: and right now we're doing it like every other week

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Speaker 5: gives us like a week to watch the shows, because

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Speaker 5: some of the shows we want to watch are like

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Speaker 5: six and seven episodes, like we need to take a

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Speaker 5: month off her way, everybody sit down on we too,

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Speaker 5: I know. Yeah, so it's a permanent thing, I think.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. Well, there's been a little

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Speaker 2: brand confusion, just to jump in, you know, Tad, Look

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Speaker 2: did you see him right now? He's like, it's like

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Speaker 2: so stressful because it's like, what is the tonight? Is

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Speaker 2: it Wednesdays? Is it Thursdays? Are we skipping a week?

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Speaker 2: It should be consistent, and I feel like it is

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Speaker 2: a big ask to watch. It's a lot to watch

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Speaker 2: that much content in such a short period of time.

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Speaker 2: We want, we want everybody to be functional and going

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Speaker 2: to their jobs and such, so we agree we have

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Speaker 2: to be reasonable or we do it in episodes. It's

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Speaker 2: another opportune we can say, like let's start a series

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Speaker 2: together and we we do a weekly binge. Yeah that's

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Speaker 6: Yeah. It kind of has fallen that way where maybe

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Speaker 7: That's that's the only thing I worry about if we

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Speaker 7: I couldn't, you know, remember if I saw episode three

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Speaker 2: Be kind of discussing it. I think the twenty second.

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Speaker 2: And then the second question was David, what a really

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Speaker 5: That is such a good question. And by the really

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Speaker 2: You just answered my question because this entire day I

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Speaker 2: you know, his tesla? You know, we just flew somebody

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Speaker 2: category of toxicology, right, That's what we're waiting on until

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Speaker 2: this moment. It hadn't even occurred to me until body

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Speaker 2: said it. You know, it is true. As a runaway,

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Speaker 2: your digital footprint is already compromised and is now being

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Speaker 2: pieced together. If it was so easy, perhaps she wouldn't

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Speaker 2: And that does not mean there are not very big

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Speaker 5: Good point, Like we're just not going to know about it.

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Speaker 5: This is an ongoing investigation, and LAPED is just not

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Speaker 2: Seems like such a long time to not have such answers.

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Speaker 2: I feel for her family, you know, even for the accused.

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Speaker 2: You know, listen, he says he is innocent of this crime,

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Speaker 2: and you know, then if not him, who and what

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Speaker 2: a person of interest? How do we not have more answers?

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Speaker 2: And how are we not clearing pop star David's name

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Speaker 2: if he's not at all involved, because he's getting really

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Speaker 2: associated for a very long period of time. Now that's

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Speaker 2: so hard to come back from if you're innocent, It's

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Speaker 2: like it cuts both ways.

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Speaker 7: But also, Stephanie, you said, which is correct, there's been

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Speaker 7: and I think LAPD for all the reasons you stated

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Speaker 7: about seless being underage, et cetera, I think they're keeping

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Speaker 7: the fact that this is not a case.

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Speaker 2: It's not a federal case, it's not a state case.

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Speaker 2: It's not a case at all.

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Speaker 7: It's not a homicide on its head, it has not

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Speaker 2: So she did not get into the trunk by her self, right,

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Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean she was killed and put in there,

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Speaker 2: Meaning she could have died and was put in there,

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Speaker 2: which is a different crime altogether, and therefore different charges

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Speaker 2: which are far less than.

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Speaker 5: Man's concealment of body abuse, of understurbs, those kinds of things, right,

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Speaker 5: which are misdemeanor kind of crimes in California. So, I mean,

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Speaker 5: it really depends on how she got in that trunk,

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Speaker 2: Have to find out from Elli. You can just wait

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Speaker 2: and see, right, It's really it's complicated, and yeah, I

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Speaker 2: It's like handle with care as always. These are all

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm really good talk I thank you as always, Ansley.

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Speaker 2: And that could happen tonight. Actually, and now we are

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Speaker 2: going to another talkback. Hi, True Crime tonight.

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Speaker 8: This is Jennifer from Delaware, and I was wondering what

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Speaker 8: you guys thought about Dalainne Maxwell potentially getting pardoned.

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Speaker 2: Do you really think that's possible? Covering in hot with

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Speaker 2: the talkbacks tonight? This is a tough one. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: jump in. Do I think it's possible? Well, technically it

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Speaker 2: is possible. Yes, technically the president can in fact pardon,

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Speaker 2: Gilean Maxwell. I'm going to go and say, I don't

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Speaker 2: I don't think it will happen. Technically it can happen,

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Speaker 2: although there was this really strange thing that happened just

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Speaker 2: which is what there was like a lockdown allegedly at

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Speaker 2: the low security prison that Gilaine Maxwell is being housed

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Speaker 2: a far scarier location for her twenty years for sex

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Speaker 2: track of a gang, a crime she's been convicted of,

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Speaker 2: the Jeffrey Epstein case. Obviously he never went to trial

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Speaker 2: because he took his life allegedly allegedly allegedly, there's been

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Speaker 2: And by the way, you know she's not making friends.

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Speaker 2: But to that end, why are they coming in person?

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Speaker 2: Whoever this day is we're going to have a pretend day.

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Speaker 6: It's like, listen to you when you call into prisons

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Speaker 2: You can't in a chapel. That's why I learned that

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Speaker 7: Interesting it'll I feel like it will come out eventually.

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Speaker 7: We did get a really good DM about Epstein as well.

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Speaker 7: The jail pregnancy story had me laughing so hard I

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Speaker 7: But that jail pregnancy story that did have me laughing

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Speaker 5: The trial is happening right now. By the way, Oh,

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Speaker 10: In the case of the Alan Greenberg case, I'm curious

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Speaker 11: Somebody of familiar familiarity that knows her that maybe just

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Speaker 5: now it obviously is more prevalent in suicides, right, I

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Speaker 2: I think it was in the nineties, and it was.

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Speaker 5: A father who regretted unfortunately killed his wife and son,

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Speaker 2: So they know it was a homicide, right, And there

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Speaker 2: was this hesitation marks. What is this maniac father who's

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Speaker 5: Right But that's how they knew it wasn't a suicide

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Speaker 5: It's worth not This is a great question. You know

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Speaker 2: But it does speak to the psychological piece of it

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Speaker 5: The biggest thing for me and Ellen's case is the

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Speaker 2: And is the broad strokes to that, because I know

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Speaker 7: Right, So the chief medical examiner, it's doctor Lindsay Simon.

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Speaker 2: And we interviewed her for what Idaho she was an Idaho.

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Speaker 2: of character if this was the case, and that must

432
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Speaker 2: be so incredibly daunting for her family.

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Speaker 6: Well, again to Boddy's earlier point, I think this is

434
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Speaker 6: a good one that we should talk with Joseph about

435
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 6: because there's so many areas of it that just don't

436
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 6: add up and make sense.

437
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Speaker 5: And he really does know so much about this case,

438
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 5: like he's so close to it. So yeah, like I

439
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 5: would like to save this talk back for Sunday when

440
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Speaker 5: he's here with us englvered again if we can, just

441
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 5: because it's very interesting and I actually really love this talkback.

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Speaker 6: Well, we actually have another one about Ellen if we

443
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Speaker 6: want to go to that one. She's really buzzing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hey, I.

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Speaker 8: Have a question about the Ellen Greenberg case. This might

446
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 8: sound a little weird, but was she hyper mobile?

447
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 2: Was she able to.

448
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 8: Do you know those fun tricks where you're, you know,

449
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 8: bending your arm out and it goes past one hundred

450
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 8: lady degrees? Was she into contortion?

451
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Speaker 6: Who knows?

452
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 8: I've seen people bend their bodies in such dramatic ways.

453
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Speaker 5: Yeah, actually that's a really good question.

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Speaker 2: Go on, Courtney, yeah, it's a really fair question.

455
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Speaker 7: And while we just told you about what a forensic psychiatrist,

456
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Speaker 7: doctor Lieberman said, the coroner, doctor Simon, did say, while

457
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Speaker 7: the distribution of injuries is admittedly unusual, the fact remains

458
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Speaker 7: that Ellen would be capable of inflicting these injuries herself.

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Speaker 2: So that is another medical profess. I don't know why

460
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: those crazy injuries, like I mean, again, we're going to

461
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 2: a very dark place right now, even in this discussion.

462
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: But was she would the suggestion be that she would

463
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Speaker 2: do this to herself to set a stage for somebody

464
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Speaker 2: to be accused of her death.

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Speaker 5: She was hyper mobile though she did have hypermobility, Oh

466
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 5: she did. She was a contortionist. Well, she had I

467
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 5: think she had Elders Downer syndrome. I don't want to

468
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 5: say it incorrectly, Elders Dianner syndrome. But the medical experts

469
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Speaker 5: that the Greenbergs are working with say that that is

470
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Speaker 5: actually due to her hypermobility, that she would not have

471
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Speaker 5: been able to inflict all those wounds because her joints

472
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Speaker 5: were so unstable. Oh yeah, yeah, so, and this is

473
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Speaker 5: discussed in the documentary.

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Speaker 2: Okay, the fact that spoiler, spoiler, spoilerler.

475
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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is discussed in the ducumentary, so you're gonna

476
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 5: have to watch it and participate in True crime and

477
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,719
Speaker 5: chill next Wednesday for us to talk about it. But

478
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 5: she but apparently she was hypermobile. But it doesn't mean

479
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Speaker 5: what you think. It means her joints were unstable. This

480
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 5: is another really good one for Joseph. Yeah.

481
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: But again, even regardless of the name of it, I

482
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 2: think the talk back was suggesting that she was more

483
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 2: more elasticity, and I don't know that. It's like then

484
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Speaker 2: perhaps I would despite my well despite any Yes, there

485
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: is no contortionist happening in my world. So like that

486
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: is is that like a skill that she was suffering

487
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 2: or had. I guess you wouldn't really suffer from that.

488
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 2: That would be so specific. I would even know.

489
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Speaker 5: Basically what the Greenberg said and I'm going to paraphrase,

490
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Speaker 5: is that her their daughter was so limber, she would

491
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Speaker 5: not have been able to do this because the joints

492
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Speaker 5: don't have the stability. Even though you can get back there,

493
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Speaker 5: let's say you don't. You don't have the stability to

494
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Speaker 5: do it. Does that make sense?

495
00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like the force?

496
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's you know, I don't know a lot

497
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 5: about it, so Joseph would.

498
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 6: Be yeah, get we'll get Yeah.

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00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: This is like right up his alley.

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00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 5: This all this medical jargon teas though, you guys, it

501
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 5: is a good day to get into set up because

502
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 5: there's a lot to pay off in this one.

503
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 2: There's a lot to discuss. But I stand with Joseph's

504
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: findings me too.

505
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 5: And you know what, if Joseph can convince me to

506
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 5: change my mind about everything, I just said, I'm willing

507
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 5: to do it.

508
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 6: So I'm on board. If you can prove it, I'll

509
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 6: go along.

510
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 5: But yeah, but so the medical examiner report, it's thirty

511
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 5: thirty two pages, and I just kind of wanted to

512
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 5: go through some of the things that, like Courtney was

513
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 5: saying that she that she said during these things she

514
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 5: found three additional skin perforation marks that were not previously

515
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 5: found before. So maybe she does have like imaging of Ellen,

516
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 5: you know, or or something to look at because she

517
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 5: discovered three additional appears. Maybe they might be hesitation marks.

518
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 5: Twenty more bruises, bringing the total number documented to thirty

519
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 5: one total. And Simon that's her name. She did say

520
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 5: that Ellen could have gotten these bruises in her everyday life,

521
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 5: like walking around and you bump your knee, things like that,

522
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 5: Like they seem to be like every day kinds of bruises.

523
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 5: But I'm telling you, I can't remember a time in

524
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 5: my life when I was walking around having thirty one.

525
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 2: Bruises on me. I mean, thirty one seems like a lot.

526
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: Although I definitely have like a good chunk. Do you

527
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 2: have my own?

528
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 5: I just walk into door knobs and yeah, I'm trying

529
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 5: to put things and I fell on my face yesterday.

530
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 5: I'm so glad on her by day. Whoa, yeah, I

531
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 5: landed on my face. That were at the office, Yeah no,

532
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 5: I yeah. I texted my friend.

533
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, I think I'm want of a block. I

534
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: was totally being you know, did you pay based on

535
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: it right away? I did? I had peas. Oh yeah, yeah,

536
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: heat trick. You're like Rocky Balboa. Let's go to a

537
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: talk back leer in Australia. Please get the vest for merch.

538
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: I would one hundred percent buy one. If you guys

539
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: offer international shipping. Can help the good work girls. Oh

540
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: my god, I just forgot. That's the greatest.

541
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 5: That's the great They have the best idea what I

542
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 5: did weighted vests, okay, like they have True Crimes Tonight

543
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 5: on and then we did little in the little pocket

544
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 5: in the front a little mace container.

545
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:21,719
Speaker 10: Wyo.

546
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: Oh so cute, and we can have the logo, the

547
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: True Crime Tonight logo. But it's like a fluorescent and

548
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: like in the dark water. A lot of us are listening.

549
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: I mean, we get a lot of callers from the

550
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: morning and like, I don't know this infamous walk. I

551
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: haven't full disclosure though for all you heavy waiting with

552
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: weight vests and walking, I have a feeling court and

553
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: that you're doing this. For sure they will listen. I

554
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: only do it here, so I'm not running around town

555
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,959
Speaker 2: with the vest because it can be heavy. Even if

556
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: it seems light, it can be heavy after a long

557
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: period of time. So let's all be careful. But I

558
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: love this idea.

559
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 6: I like, that's a great one. Or maybe even the

560
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 6: words allegedly alleged in the back of it or something

561
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 6: that gives it a hold, and it gives.

562
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: Us a little like and then we can like chat together.

563
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: Everybody has to have their cell phones on though, because

564
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: then you can join the conversation and we're all doing

565
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 2: a little fifteen minutes on, fifteen minutes off? Is that

566
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: how it goes?

567
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 5: Oh?

568
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: Out? And your weighing in.

569
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 9: You need some sort of technology where you just push

570
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 9: a button, then you leave a talk back.

571
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 2: There's a microphone, but that's so cute, and you have headphones.

572
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: Oh right, I love this idea. I like it. Okay,

573
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: that's let's make it happen that way though. Just a

574
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: little quick updates speaking of merchandise. Though, listen, we're a

575
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: little machine here, so we're we're going as best as

576
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: we can. But we're Samantha because remember Samantha who actually

577
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: was the original sweatshirt person who made a mock artwork

578
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: of the sweatshirt. Well, she, I think created a mock

579
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: and then sent it to Gabe a little t M.

580
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: I behind the scenes here Gabe with us on the

581
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: KT side, and now they're going to connect. So it's

582
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: all it's all like, it's all happening. I was community

583
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: is real. I was exciting.

584
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 6: Oh you were, Yeah, that's gonna be good.

585
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: I want to see it. I want to see this matha.

586
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: Oh no, she sent us a photograph, you know, Samantha,

587
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 2: our listener sent us the photograph of her idea, and

588
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: it turns out her boyfriend owns a printing shop. So

589
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 2: then Gabe is connecting with the boyfriend at the printing

590
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: shop via Samantha via Taha via talk back Tuesday. I

591
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: want to say this is a listen. We're like, we're

592
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: in it together everyone. So this is as I understand it,

593
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: that is what is happening behind the scenes right now.

594
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think something's cooking and body, I'll send you

595
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 6: that photo. But she took the time to create one

596
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 6: in advance, so we've got the prototype.

597
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: Am I gonna like it?

598
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 6: You're gonna love it? I guarantee.

599
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: Okay, you're gonna love it. No, you're gonna have it.

600
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: It's like perfect experiant is in our head. It's like,

601
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: you know you're gonna love it. I'm excited. Well, thank you, Samantha,

602
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: I love it. Okay. Cool.

603
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 6: The merging stuff has really like resonated with people, like

604
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 6: that's getting a lot of talk backs, Like, as a

605
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 6: matter of fact, when't we hit another one because that's

606
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 6: just my giveaways.

607
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 12: Hey, it's fricking in Connecticut. I hear you guys talking

608
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 12: about turning your best or selling best for merch and

609
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 12: I think you should get like that friend lamp technology

610
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 12: in there so that when you touch that spot on

611
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 12: the vest all of the other true crime tonight people

612
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 12: know that you're thinking of them and there.

613
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: Okay, I love that. Have you guys seen these lamps?

614
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 6: Really know?

615
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: I was picturing like like a batman in the sky.

616
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 2: What is going to sell them though we're not. I

617
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: don't think the goal is telling them. I think the

618
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: goal was to like do a little like giveaway or

619
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: like a I don't know, like a riddle.

620
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 5: Okay, So they have these like friendship lamps, or maybe

621
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 5: you're in a relationship with somebody that lives far away,

622
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 5: right and you get these bracelets or these lamps. That's

623
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 5: I'm sure there's other things, but these are what I've

624
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 5: seen and you were. Let's say I have a bracelet

625
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 5: and like me and Stephanie, right, yeah, she's far away

626
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 5: from me, and I'm thinking of her. I can like

627
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 5: double tap my bracelet and her bracelet will light up

628
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 5: and it lets her know.

629
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really cool. And they have lamps too that

630
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: do it, and I think that's what the that's so

631
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 2: you have a little like it's like a little kissing

632
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: hand from across the coast, or across the country, or

633
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: across the town. Yes, or you know, it's very stalker's

634
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: dream come true. I can't get you out of my mind.

635
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 2: I can't get you out of my mind, can't get.

636
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Speaker 5: So you buy them pairs. You usually buy them in

637
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 5: pairs and they're pulled together.

638
00:33:58,960 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 11: I love it.

639
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: That's so great idea. So again, like I think we

640
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: should just I don't I the merge crazy, Ye, listen.

641
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 2: I like the idea though. We can create a super

642
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: gift and like we can, you know, pay it forward

643
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 2: and maybe there's some sort of a Hey, I don't

644
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 2: know what we're giving the prize away for, but just

645
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 2: for listening is so nice.

646
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 5: Maybe you know what, maybe we do a prize a

647
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 5: week and we we just put all the talkbacks in

648
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Speaker 5: a barrel.

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Speaker 2: Pick a winner, and that's like the lotto. Yes, the

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Speaker 2: prototype of the vest, and then we'll have to workshop

651
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Speaker 2: it based on that person's opinion. That's right, it's great.

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Speaker 2: So make your talk so we can get you in

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Speaker 2: the lotto like a group efforts.

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Speaker 5: I like it.

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Speaker 2: Pay it forward at six degrees of the vest. It's

656
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Speaker 2: a new incarnation. I love it.

657
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Speaker 6: Oh well, I have another one that ties in with merch.

658
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Speaker 6: This one, Sam and Adam, can you play nineteen A?

659
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Speaker 6: That one is a good one.

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Speaker 2: Hi, this is Judith. Excuse my breathlessness.

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Speaker 3: I'm on my last run before the Chicago Marathon. I say,

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Speaker 3: I love you, guys. I'm listening to Tuesday's episode and

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00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 3: Stephanie just said that she sits in traffic sometimes it

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Speaker 3: says not today, Kendra, and I love that. I think

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Speaker 3: it should be on some merch just saying thank you

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Speaker 3: for all that you do. It is a joy listening

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Speaker 3: to you, lady.

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Speaker 6: Woman running a marathon.

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Speaker 5: She's running a marathon, she's leaving a talk back. I

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Speaker 5: can't even like function if I was running. Can't even

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Speaker 5: stand up from the dum March hair with our vest.

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Speaker 2: It weighs me down, like.

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Speaker 5: Super Woman's calling us, Oh my goodness, I don't even

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Speaker 5: remember the truth.

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Speaker 2: I say that in my head four times a day, easily, easily.

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00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 2: It's like my own little personal Catchra is like who

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Speaker 2: is Kendra? Kendra is from Andrew. Of course, she's from

678
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 2: the documentary that we all watched, Unknown Caller, the for

679
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Speaker 2: cocta mom that, like you know, was like trying to

680
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Speaker 2: console her daughter while she was the actual abuser, and

681
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 2: then she had the nerve to talk to camera and say,

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Speaker 2: everybody husband. Her lame answer was so lame, and I

683
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: thought it was upsetting. It was upsetting. She was ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 5: By the way.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what that means, but I just

687
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Speaker 2: really saying it.

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Speaker 6: For years.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what it means, but it means

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Speaker 2: like New York. It's kind of like a It definitely

691
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Speaker 2: means like not right. It's some kind of like messy,

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Speaker 2: kind of like kind of nonsensey garbage. It's like garbage, garbage. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a garbage, thank you court. Okay, Oh it's Yiddish.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay.

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Speaker 6: I've heard that for years. I think back in our

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Speaker 6: Sally days, someone say, oh, that story is that's a

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Speaker 6: story because.

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Speaker 2: Like I got from gated and excuses, excuses, excuses. It's

699
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 2: kind of what that means is like in my head,

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Speaker 2: Kendroid was not taking any accountability as a mother, was

701
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Speaker 2: honestly like assaulting her daughter, in sexually harassing in a

702
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Speaker 2: really disgusting way an underage boy. Can we just please

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Speaker 2: kend I.

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Speaker 5: Just had to a brain bionic like shooting moment we're

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Speaker 5: talking about merch.

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Speaker 2: What if we did this is so stupid? Okay, what

707
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 2: if we did body lotion? Oh wow, I just wanted

708
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Speaker 2: to be funny.

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Speaker 6: Now that one can be your own private line by something.

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Speaker 2: Okay, goodness, isn't that stupid? Okay? Moving on?

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Speaker 6: What do we got?

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Speaker 2: Beg We got a more big vest idea. If you

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Speaker 2: want to hear it, we have more.

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Speaker 6: Let's just do it.

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Speaker 13: What do you add?

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Speaker 10: Everyone?

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Speaker 14: Just from newbie, shouldn't I jump the gun pause to

718
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Speaker 14: send in my talk back about the weighted best came back?

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Speaker 14: Stephanie suggested it in the next and I love that

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Speaker 14: our minds seemed to be connected, and that's why I

721
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Speaker 14: love this podcast.

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Speaker 2: How about a weighted best printed on a T shirt?

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Speaker 14: That might be cool too, with like a strong, prepared

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Speaker 14: and protected.

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Speaker 2: So are we talking like a tuxedo shirt? Right away?

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Speaker 2: We listen. I'm exhausted. This has been a long week

727
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: of the best. But by the way, we're doing it

728
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Speaker 2: in increments. But I'm not going to deny. I feeling mine.

729
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Speaker 2: You did it, you overdid it. This is on your

730
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Speaker 2: first time problem. This is what they tell me on

731
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Speaker 2: the TikTok that you have to just be slow small.

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Speaker 3: I don't do.

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Speaker 2: Get I need to go all the way back to

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Speaker 2: the beginning. So it's little, it's little micro decisions, just

735
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: a little small ones. So in segment at a time,

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Speaker 2: wisdom via TikTok. This idea is she.

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Speaker 5: Said, strong protected and what prepared. Yeah, she said, that's

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Speaker 5: what we're strong protected and prepared. And it's a true crime.

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Speaker 2: It's a teach community that that's the way and best

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Speaker 2: Yes on it.

741
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Speaker 5: I like it.

742
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: I think it's cute and we can also go to

743
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Speaker 2: sleep in it and have like a little like like

744
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: a little in our make under because by the end

745
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: of the show, we have taken off all our makeup.

746
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 2: I'm like taking the opposite of a makeover. It is

747
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: a tragic make under in its most beautiful form. When

748
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: you're in such comfortable in a company, we're like by

749
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Speaker 2: the end of the show, it's real. I mean there's

750
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Speaker 2: spend time like I've got to take me, I just

751
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Speaker 2: like take right now. Yes, so beautiful and vulnerable. And

752
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: by the way, you guys are the most beautiful with

753
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Speaker 2: fresh faces. Back at you, Did you guys on the

754
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Speaker 2: fresh face real quick? Did you guys? Used to watch

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Speaker 2: Amy Schumer's comedy show ever I've seen.

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Speaker 6: It's so funny.

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Speaker 7: She there was this one hysterical segment and it was

758
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Speaker 7: kind of a dream sequence and this boy band is singing, girl,

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Speaker 7: you don't need no makeup, and she's there, and then

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Speaker 7: she actually takes it off, and then they all start singing, Carol, you.

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Speaker 2: Gotta put back on that makeup. Like it's it's like

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Speaker 2: a full, it's a full. Yeah, listen some of small things.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe you take all the makeup off and you

764
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Speaker 5: put some of that body lotion body.

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Speaker 2: Yes. Well, you know when I first met Joseph.

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Speaker 5: I met Joseph at Crime con in Austin, I think

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Speaker 5: in twenty twenty, Like it was like the middle of COVID.

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Speaker 5: It was like the craziest crime Wow. And he was

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Speaker 5: there because he was nominated for a Clue Award and

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Speaker 5: I was presenting with the Nightstalker detective by the way,

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Speaker 5: who's a family friend.

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Speaker 2: Did you guys know that? No, that's a whole nother story. Eight,

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Speaker 2: that's another Sunday full.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a Sunday we'll do that rip. When I

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00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 5: met Joseph, I didn't know who he was. I had

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00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 5: recognized him on Nancy from Nancy Grace River. But I

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00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 5: didn't know he had a podcast and we were talking

778
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Speaker 5: because I was presenting, you know, for the Clue Awards, and.

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Speaker 2: His podcast was body Bags.

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00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 5: And literally four days prior, somebody contacted me and they

781
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 5: were like, listen, I want to white label some purses

782
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Speaker 5: and I want to call them body bags.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and I was like, I love it. Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: This will be fun. And I met Joseph and I'm like,

785
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: oh no, I can't do people hanging from your arm.

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00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: You can't have that.

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Speaker 5: No, but the body with the au D I well, yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's what That's what it would be, body body moving back,

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Speaker 5: body bags. So Joseph had to make it all about

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Speaker 5: he did. He had to make it all the death

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Speaker 5: Investigator at it again. I know it is in his

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00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 5: hit podcast.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing three times a week, unbelievable.

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Speaker 5: But anyway, that's my Joseph Storry and how I met him. Yeah, Gil,

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Speaker 5: the night soccer Detective is a family friend.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we have to do a whole night about the

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00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: night stalker. Honestly, too scary. Almost I have to take

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Speaker 2: that night off. The night Stalker is too scary, right,

799
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Speaker 2: which is a crazy thing to say, living there at

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Speaker 2: the time.

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Speaker 5: And he he attacked somebody where I was living in

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Speaker 5: Mission Vieho. Oh really yeah, And I was living in Mission,

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00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 5: but we had moved from Detroit to southern California and

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00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 5: we were in Mission Vieho. Literally two years later, the

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00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 5: Nightstalker appears in Southern California and he attacked in Mission Vieho.

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Speaker 5: And he was a family friend of me and my

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00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 5: best friend, my best friend basically, and he was like,

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Speaker 5: I'm going to catch the guy, don't you guys, don't

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00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 5: have to.

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Speaker 2: Worry like he was. I was a little girl. And

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Speaker 2: he talks about this clue. No, oh yeah, my whole life,

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00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 2: the night Stalker, oh, the detective.

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Speaker 15: Okay, I'm not pal, how long have you been burying

814
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 15: this lead? My best friend Maya in high school?

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Speaker 2: So well, he's a real hero.

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Speaker 5: He is a real hero. Made me feel a lot

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Speaker 5: better as a little girl.

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Speaker 6: I was much I'd love to chat.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure he will.

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Speaker 2: Immediately, Gil Gil Yeah, I'm just not the nights talker.

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Speaker 6: Okay, no, not the night her mace So she were Okay.

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Speaker 2: Now, so talk back tuesdays. It will continue. So make

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Speaker 2: sure you stay with us, and you can also join

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Speaker 2: us live eight eight eight three one Crime. You're listening

825
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: to true crime tonight. Stay with us. Let's go to

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Speaker 2: our next talkback.

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Speaker 16: This is Julie, your crime fisialist yesterday with but he

828
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 16: wondered if people from Mayawa even cared. Well, I'm from

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Speaker 16: Nebraska and I care. I cried when I saw the

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Speaker 16: Palisade fires on TV, when the Israelis were taken hosted,

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Speaker 16: when the Palestinians lost their homes and were starving, and

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Speaker 16: at the Ukraine War. I don't think you have to

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Speaker 16: live somewhere to fill the empathy. True crime lovers, I

834
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 16: think always feel empathy for what's happening to other people.

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Speaker 2: Really beautiful, thank you Monny for that side. I was

836
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Speaker 2: just having this debate in this beautiful comment. That's so

837
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Speaker 2: interesting because sometimes true crime audiences get called to the

838
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: carpet of like, oh, we're in this like murder phase

839
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: in a genre, And I'm like so flabbergasted when I

840
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 2: hear that, because I think, really, if you are following

841
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: true crime and invested in justice and seeing things through

842
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 2: and unpacking people's stories and healing together, that's like I

843
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: think it's an audience of empathy period. It's like a

844
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: very empathetic audience, I should say, And I think that

845
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: hits it on the nose. Every one of these stories,

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00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: I think people listen to with an open heart and

847
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: really feel for all parties, right, you know, no one's

848
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 2: like jumping in just for the fun. I think it's

849
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: really just an opportunity for us all to kind of

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Speaker 2: feel connected.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel when I will whenever I talk about

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Speaker 5: like a case or or true crime in general, I

853
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 5: always I mean, I think we all try to be

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00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 5: victim forward. You know, some of us are better than others,

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00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 5: you know, like I think out of all three of us,

856
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 5: you guys are better at than I am. But I

857
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 5: think I'm better at some things. And you know what

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00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 5: I mean, Like it's a given take. Yeah, you're always

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00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 5: victim forward. But I think what I'm saying is we

860
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 5: all try to be very victim forward, and we really

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00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 5: are like a We're constantly thinking of the victims in

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00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 5: our heads. And one thing that you know this has

863
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 5: taught me the palisates fire in particular, is you know,

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00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 5: this week has been pretty hard on Steph I think,

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Speaker 5: you know, and personally watching her go through this has

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Speaker 5: shed a light for me as somebody that talks about

867
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 5: true crime, and you know, this is a this is

868
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 5: crime and it's true and this is you know, so

869
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 5: true crime and something that I'm going to take with

870
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:20,959
Speaker 5: me moving forward.

871
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: So thank you, Stephanie. It's just a nice of you

872
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 2: to say that. Yeah, through all those this week, it

873
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 2: was a very strong thing to do, because very strong.

874
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: I would just reopen a lot of things for anyone.

875
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 5: Right, Oh, I got to say that just you're so sweet,

876
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,479
Speaker 5: by the way, that's a very thoughtful thought to add

877
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 5: to that, though, I will say post Palisades, Yeah, dark

878
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 5: times for not only myself but everyone.

879
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 2: People are lives. I almost feel guilty speaking of it,

880
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 2: because you know, I have a life ahead still, right.

881
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: So many people were you know, sitting back and just

882
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: about to look at their life in you know, reverse

883
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 2: and record scratch. So much was pulled away. So I

884
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 2: actually just have like a that just feels it just

885
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: feels hard, right.

886
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 5: It's so probably like some kind of survivors built in

887
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 5: some sense, like yeah, like maybe a little bit you.

888
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 2: Know, a new life ahead and like new times. But

889
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,479
Speaker 2: I say that simply to say and it was really

890
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: this project, Like the first time I laughed in a

891
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: long time, like I had had some laughs intermittent. Was

892
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: this like a weird upside down time. We started working

893
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: on this, right, and I swear it brought me back

894
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: to life a little bit.

895
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 5: And when we were practicing, do you remember, oh remember

896
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 5: how horrible you want to get insult to injury?

897
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, talking about rhyme and they try to, you know,

898
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 2: practice a radio show. For four days we were death

899
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: And I say that not intentionally, but like it really

900
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 2: was like such a reminder of like new things and

901
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 2: new things. It was just new things and some giggles

902
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: like behind because there's lots of love here. I mean really,

903
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: I mean I can speak to that firsthand. You guys

904
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: really kind of funny. No, okay, now get on with it. Court.

905
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 2: We brought me some suitcases to get on with it.

906
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 2: I'm gonna move all right, get get there and get

907
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 2: on with it.

908
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 5: You know.

909
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: So there is something really exciting about this whole process

910
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 2: and this whole project because like it's kind of it's

911
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 2: been really beautiful and social. It's not aucocta. No, is

912
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 2: there a word for that, Well, it is for shared,

913
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 2: it is. I think that's another break. It's like write

914
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 2: at it again. IT'SO a multi language speaker.

915
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 5: Listen, this is your crime tonight. If you know of

916
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 5: any other really cool words, give us a column us now.

917
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 5: I am into it for cocta is myny thing.

918
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: I love you guys, Thank you so much. That was

919
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: such a nice thought.

920
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you for the talk back. By the way,

921
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 5: it was really good.

922
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: What have we got next?

923
00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 17: Hello, ladies, It's Stephanie from Pennsylvania. Always question about Sanchez.

924
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 17: I know that we were talking you guys were talking

925
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 17: about the you know, the possibility of him being root feed.

926
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 2: My question is if he had a.

927
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 17: To psychology, would that show up in his blood? Like

928
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 17: I don't know anything about that stuff. Could you explain

929
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 17: that a little more?

930
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 2: Or ask our favorite Joseph too? Thank you right? How

931
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: good was her voice? By the way, I know that's

932
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 2: so good.

933
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 5: I think it would. I think it would show up.

934
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 5: I think that if they did do it, any kind

935
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 5: of panel on him. I don't know that they did.

936
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 5: Do we know if they did.

937
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: I don't know for a fact if they did it,

938
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 2: I was after our conversation, so I have done it.

939
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: Of course, I would have to assume even if I'm him,

940
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: I want the toxicology report because you know it might

941
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 2: disprove some of you know, the shenanigans at.

942
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 7: Play or direction exactly, depending upon what your activities were prior,

943
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 7: you may not want it. And this comes into play

944
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 7: in so many cases of delaying, you know, with drunk driving,

945
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 7: and if you delay getting tested or have that and

946
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 7: wait for things to go out of your system. There

947
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 7: you go suggesting we don't know any of this.

948
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 5: I think if he had been roofied, though, I think

949
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 5: that he would be like passed out, right, don't those

950
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 5: like make you sleepy?

951
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 7: Yes, you're not running, you're not running up its right,

952
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 7: So I don't think he was like roofied or anything

953
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 7: like that.

954
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 2: I think he's so grateful. I've never experienced being roofeed

955
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 2: and so scary. But yeah, I would assume you kind

956
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 2: of pass that maybe makes you aggressive. I don't know, No,

957
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: it makes you you're unconscious. It's a it's a tranquilizers, yeah.

958
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 6: You yeah, see opposite direction. He was more piped up

959
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 6: than anything.

960
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 5: So, but I think when we say, oh, was that

961
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 5: person roofeed, I think people are using it like as

962
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 5: a generic term for like, were they drugged, right, I

963
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 5: think how.

964
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 2: I kind of mean it is. Yeah, I don't want

965
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: it as a specific drug class of exhaustion. I mean

966
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 2: it more just as a general like you're at the

967
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 2: bar with a glass in your hand and somebody like,

968
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, poor is something scary in it?

969
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 5: Right?

970
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 2: That makes you a wild card?

971
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 5: Right?

972
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: Or were they doing drugs on their own? I guess

973
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 2: that would come up to then, Yeah, it would.

974
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 7: I mean I would imagine, depending upon what, if there

975
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 7: is any substance involved, how long it takes to get

976
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 7: out of your body? Right, because it's all different half

977
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 7: lives rights, I'd.

978
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 2: Be curious to know what that is. Because he was

979
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: in the hospital, so they must be monitoring that type

980
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: of thing, absolutely, But how long it take for him

981
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 2: to get the blood drawn?

982
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 18: How?

983
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

984
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 5: There's a lot at play here, and you know that

985
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 5: stuff hasn't been released yet. We don't know if that even.

986
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: Happened, Like in er. All I do is watch shows

987
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 2: from the nineties. I know I need to update that

988
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 2: and my music. I have a television with cable real

989
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: time though, you do you totally do that? I watch

990
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 2: real time stuff too, Yes, no, that is true. That below, Yeah, bravo.

991
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 2: But on e R there were many different altercations between

992
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 2: the police coming in and saying, get this, suspects blood

993
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: alcohol level and if the doctors, you know, thought that

994
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 2: the person was a good person, they kind of really

995
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,479
Speaker 2: take their time over hours and then is that true?

996
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 2: Well yeah, it hasn't gone away. No, But just just

997
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 2: the fact that if it took, if he's arrested and

998
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 2: then he said someplace for four hours and then he

999
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 2: goes to the emergency room. I don't know any of

1000
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: these details, right because then they sober up and then

1001
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: obviously the toxicology report would be a little different. That

1002
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 2: makes sense. Yea interesting. Have you guys watched the Pit

1003
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 2: speaking of my friend?

1004
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 5: Isn't it.

1005
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 6: The guy that?

1006
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 2: Okay, so the guy that I was on the mole with,

1007
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 2: he's in it. He's an actor on the pit, isn't

1008
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 2: Noah Wiley? Was Noah Wiley on the on the moment

1009
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 2: my friend? So he he's an actor and he got

1010
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 2: this great role.

1011
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 13: He was the.

1012
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 5: Uh swat leader and he was an episode like seven

1013
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 5: and eight.

1014
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 6: He loved it.

1015
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 7: Ose White, I don't know, that's not him, It says

1016
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 7: an actor named Ose White, appeared on the Netflix reboot

1017
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 7: of The Mole and has also been credited for role

1018
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 7: on The Pit.

1019
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 5: That's his name is Sean, Sean Bryan, Sean the R

1020
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 5: y A, Sean s H. S e A.

1021
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 2: And Hi Sean, are you listening? I love him. He

1022
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 2: was quite good. I remember him. And by the way,

1023
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: that show is harrowing. You want to talk about a

1024
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 2: thankless gig where your heart is ripped out of your chest,

1025
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 2: just time and time again and you don't even get

1026
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 2: to see the sunlight. It is in the dark, crisis

1027
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: after crisis, being in an emergency room or any.

1028
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's definitely a definite personality type that can handle that.

1029
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 6: And it's not really because I'm like when I say,

1030
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 6: for people coming in in such pain and you have

1031
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 6: to be able to multitask all these horrific things once that.

1032
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 6: I love the way the show was shot also because

1033
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 6: it's all sort of been I think a twenty four

1034
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 6: hour period and it feels like you see one thousand

1035
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 6: horrific things happening after another. I'm like, how do these.

1036
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 2: These is that all on one night? Am I still

1037
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 2: watching the same night?

1038
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 6: Do you remember the show twenty four like it's kind

1039
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 6: of like twenty four.

1040
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 2: Twenty four.

1041
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 6: Oh, that was another amazing one.

1042
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my goodness, I this is still on. I

1043
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 2: have to take it off.

1044
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 7: I actually worked on a legal case involving the show

1045
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 7: twenty four.

1046
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 2: Did you what I did?

1047
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 7: Because it was a very behind the scenes but a

1048
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 7: person authored a book and they were doing the show

1049
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 7: twenty four saying hey, you stole the idea of twenty

1050
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 7: four from my book. So I actually was working for

1051
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 7: the defense and I was given like fifteen other books

1052
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 7: to do. I mean it was really comparative literature papers

1053
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 7: that would say, Okay, if you're saying that we stole

1054
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 7: from you, then we can say you stole from all

1055
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 7: of these things. It was to disprove, So it was

1056
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 7: like a behind the scenes did.

1057
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 2: You disprove it? I mean the case settled, but you

1058
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 2: know you can comparative literature, you can? Yeah, you know,

1059
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 2: can it go?

1060
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 6: Okay? That was another amazing show.

1061
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a show. By the way, I'm embarrassed

1062
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: to admit that I didn't realize the pit was one

1063
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 2: twenty four hour. Yeah, it's one twenty four period. It's

1064
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 2: examination even as an episode, so I've had to turn

1065
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 2: it off. A few times because I'm wiped out. I'm like,

1066
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: just get me back to my Bravo where I can

1067
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 2: just like zone out and buckle up, like the pit's

1068
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,439
Speaker 2: got me, it's got me awake. Yeah. Do you guys

1069
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 2: watch Stranger Things?

1070
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 6: I did watch it. Yeah, I fell off.

1071
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 2: Oh okay that one of Sam's I love Stranger Things.

1072
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 6: Okay, I could so see that too.

1073
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 19: And it's my whole thing is that it's like, Okay,

1074
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 19: so the season's finally wrapping up, but it's like, I

1075
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 19: just feel like I'm not invested because it's like they're

1076
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 19: all like either really old or old or the fact

1077
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 19: that like spoiler, nobody has died off and they just

1078
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 19: keep adding care about Eddie?

1079
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Eddie is kind of major. Am I missing?

1080
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 3: Like Eddie?

1081
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 6: You already forgot about Eddie.

1082
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 2: Divorce? We're divorced. It's not happening. I seem okay, body,

1083
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 2: you don't. You can't go rush right to divorce. There

1084
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 2: has to be like I'm that kind of toxic jump

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Speaker 2: to the ending. You know, it's okay to have a

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Speaker 2: conversation where you're not seeing I die.

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Speaker 19: No divorce this well, technically, Eddie was a newer character.

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00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 19: I mean, like the original.

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Speaker 2: Cast you know, has been got a fair point Sam.

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Speaker 19: I mean, how I love that because he was like

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Speaker 19: our representation of metal heads.

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Speaker 5: But that's true, you know the fact that you know

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00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 5: he's based on dating echos from West Memphis.

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Speaker 2: Three No, but that makes sense really, yes, I swear

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00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 2: to god. Wow, so interesting because that really does make

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00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 2: sense when you think back. If you haven't seen the show,

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00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 2: please do. It's really it's so good.

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00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 5: And I was super into like dungeons and dragons like

1099
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 5: all that, and you know, I'm old, so it's like

1100
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 5: really nostalgic for me.

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00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 2: I just it's so wholesome. I just really love streaming

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00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 2: things and I'm so excited the news not anyway, I

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Speaker 2: love do you love One? I love her?

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Speaker 6: I love her. Yeah, she's she's she's great, yes, and

1105
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 6: seeing her have a comeback always makes me happy for

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00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 6: any actress.

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00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 2: That I love the chief so that that's my very

1108
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 2: very problematic type in my past. Wait, she right, like

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00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 2: he's like brooding thought.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, like discuss my thought, yes exactly, and she

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00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 7: really want to dig in with the shovel.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 2: And she had a song I wrote on the way

1114
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: here with all my thoughts. We're getting so off tracks.

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Speaker 6: Yes, so it's just so there's so much I don't

1116
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 6: know how this is. There's so much television. How does

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00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 6: fit it?

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Speaker 2: Going to save it for the true crime and chill? Well,

1119
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 2: we can't do which is going to happen on the

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Speaker 2: twenty second of October? That's rights Wednesday? Is that accurate?

1121
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 2: We all have to set our watches. We have to

1122
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 2: get synchronized. Someone's going to add this to the list.

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Speaker 2: We should get synchronized watches everybody, so we know when

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Speaker 2: to do our watching. We do have synchronized watches. It's

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00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 2: called our phones. That's the whole audience. So we can

1126
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 2: do like the little love tap, like hey guyslet'sice.

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Speaker 7: Hey guys, remember Hulu documentary Death and Apartment six oh

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Speaker 7: three next Wednesday, And after the commercial break, we will

1129
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 7: be having so many more talkbacks. We are we will

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Speaker 7: keep it to true Crime him mostly True Crown.

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Speaker 2: Tonight. It's our favorite night of the week. It's talk

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00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 2: back Tuesday. So we're going to keep jamming through these

1133
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 2: heavy snaps. Right here, body, what do you have for us?

1134
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Speaker 5: So I have a DM I'm going to read and

1135
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 5: this is from Cadron, and Cadron says, I was wondering

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00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 5: if there have been any serial killers in Missouri. Thank

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00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 5: you so much for bringing knowledge and entertainment to my life. Well,

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00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 5: thank you, Kron, And yes, there have been many serial

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Speaker 5: killers in Missouri. The Copeland's the Copelands were America's oldest

1140
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 5: couple on death Row. And Ray Copeland he was the

1141
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 5: patriarch or the family, the patriarch of the family, and

1142
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,919
Speaker 5: he turned to theft and fraud early in his life.

1143
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 5: And he was doing the strangest things. He was stealing

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Speaker 5: livestock and then forging checks. Okay, Well, he married Fay

1145
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 5: Wilson in nineteen forty and had several children. And you

1146
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 5: have to remember this is like the Great Depression, right,

1147
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 5: like this era of Missouri. Okay, but his crew, he

1148
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 5: got married and they had kids, but he still was

1149
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 5: stealing livestock and forging checks. Like he's just like you know,

1150
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 5: he's trouble like in his core. They lived a transient life.

1151
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 5: They moved from town to town across Missouri to stay

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Speaker 5: ahead of the law.

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Speaker 2: But by nineteen sixty seven they settled on a farm

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Speaker 2: in Mooresville, Missouri. Okay, he was and This is where

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Speaker 2: the whole time he just was a thief. He was

1156
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 2: just a thief. He was making a chief. But this

1157
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 2: is where he became deadly.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So from nineteen eighty six to nineteen eighty nine,

1159
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 5: he recruited drifters and transients from missions and soup kitchens, promising,

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Speaker 5: you know, hey, come work.

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Speaker 2: At my farm.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'll you look at cows. Yeah, well look

1163
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 5: at look after my animals. You can sleep in the barn,

1164
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 5: you know, doing those things. He bought cattle with their

1165
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 5: bounced checks. Okay, well they're check books. He bought cattle

1166
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 5: in their names, bounced checks, and then sold the livestock,

1167
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 5: which is, you know, more fraud, and then he would.

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01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 2: No kind of right.

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01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, so he deliberately chose men with like no family ties.

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01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 5: These are like transient men, you know, things like that.

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01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 5: So yeah, of course there are serial killers in Missouri,

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01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 5: and by the way, there.

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01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 2: Might be a new one.

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01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 5: Timothy Hazlitt Junior, the barrel killer.

1175
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 2: Barrel killer. We've been talking about.

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01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 5: Crime tonight, that's right, and we've just talking about what

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Speaker 5: So he's technically is he's on trial for I believe

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01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 5: to murders and you know, there is debate on whether

1179
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 5: or not it's two or more or three or more

1180
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 5: to classify you as a serial killer. But the level

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Speaker 5: of depravity that this man exhibited, and I don't want

1182
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 5: to get too much into it because it's really gross

1183
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 5: and sick, and Tuesdays we try to keep light and early.

1184
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 5: But I do believe that he would have been a

1185
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 5: serial killer had he not been arrested. Now, of course,

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01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 5: you know, I'm a little bit. Can you give it now,

1187
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 5: you've you're overweight and in a little tidbit. So there

1188
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 5: was a woman who escaped his house and she was

1189
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 5: wearing like a trash bag and a dog collar, and

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01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 5: she runs out of his house. She goes to a

1191
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 5: neighbor's house, knocks on the door, help help help. A

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01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 5: woman opens a door and this woman is standing there

1193
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 5: in a dog collar and a black trash and she

1194
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 5: tells the most horrific story. She was picked up to

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01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 5: do some work, some sex work, sex workers work, I'm

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01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 5: not you know, shaming, and he basically kidnapped her, tied

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Speaker 5: her up in the basement, and there was another woman

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Speaker 5: there when she arrived, and then the woman and disappeared,

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Speaker 5: And he said that he killed her. He was sexually

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01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 5: assaulting this woman over and olvers, torturing her while she

1201
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 5: was cereal. They found this woman's body in a blue

1202
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 5: barrel in the river. No, yes, and so a woman

1203
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 5: that was with her, Oh no, no, a totally different one.

1204
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Speaker 2: What so.

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01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, So there's there's a lot of there's a lot

1206
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 5: of things happening in that case. And it's out of Missouri.

1207
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 5: So thank you for that pop back.

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Speaker 2: You know what's funny, I got a little city so good. No,

1209
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 2: I think we should learn more about it. And by

1210
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 2: the way, I wishny has to say that Missouri was

1211
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 2: exempt because it's an awesome place. Number one, I don't

1212
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 2: know that anywhere is exempt, to be honest, you know,

1213
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 2: and thank god we talk about it because sometimes you know,

1214
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 2: it can creep up on you and you're not prepared

1215
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 2: or you don't even know what to look for. And again,

1216
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean you have to look for scary things everywhere,

1217
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 2: quite the opposite. Honestly, if you know what to do,

1218
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 2: then you're prepared and you can go about your merry,

1219
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 2: happy life and live in a happy, a happy mindset.

1220
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 2: But you know, you have to know kind of so

1221
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 2: you're not caught up.

1222
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 5: So Timothy Haslet Junior is in He's in court currently.

1223
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 5: He's the kisory that I just the Blue Barrel Killer.

1224
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 5: But I just talked about Wow, and I believe his

1225
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 5: trial is starting in December.

1226
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 2: I'll have to go. I wasn't really prepared to talk

1227
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 2: about him tonight, so I'm doing all this from memory.

1228
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 2: So you just winging this right now? I am winging this. Yeah,

1229
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 2: you are at hand. I was like, did you have

1230
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 2: a secret meeting barrel killing? Because you seem to be

1231
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 2: pretty up to date, which is so cute. And by

1232
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 2: the way, we did discuss this day one of true

1233
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 2: count we did think none of us knew. I'm like, somebody,

1234
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 2: you know you took a down.

1235
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 5: The rabbit hole, but that's wild. So I think it's

1236
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 5: in December.

1237
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 7: That's correct. He is slated to go to trial next Uh.

1238
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 7: I'm already pushed to November.

1239
01:04:55,920 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 2: So it's on my radar. Girl, I got you. I

1240
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 2: love it so much. I just love it so much. Yeah,

1241
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 2: we should definitely follow that. I want to also follow

1242
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 2: one other trial to put on our Rachel for January

1243
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 2: is the guy in the Ditty Association. We also talked

1244
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 2: about this Day one of True Crime Tonight, there was

1245
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 2: a guy who claimed that he was a sex slave

1246
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 2: of Diddy. Oh he started shooting up at Mr Lago

1247
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 2: random yes, And then they brought him into custody and

1248
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 2: they thought he was crazy because he was talking about

1249
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 2: being a sex such ditty, which frankly was crazy talking that.

1250
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 2: I think they put him into like a straight jacket,

1251
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 2: like they were literally like, this crazy guy is saying

1252
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 2: the craziest tails. Cut through those tails not so crazy.

1253
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 2: And there's some speculation that he's been in protective custody.

1254
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 2: And suddenly that trial seems to be on the docket

1255
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 2: I think for January.

1256
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 5: So interesting and suddenly it seems a little bit more

1257
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 5: interesting than the night before.

1258
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 2: Right because it was pretty he was saying something that

1259
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 2: was accurate and it seemed insane. Allegedly another talk back,

1260
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 2: let's go to that. Hey, this is Rachel.

1261
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 18: I just wanted to say I love your guys' show.

1262
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 10: You guys did mention that Amy Bradley is Missing documentary

1263
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 10: and I watched it recently and it really had me

1264
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 10: questioning if going on a cruise ship.

1265
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 2: Am I safe? Because I eat cruise all the time.

1266
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 16: But it put a lot of things into perspective.

1267
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 17: So now I'm nervous and wondering if I shouldn't go

1268
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 17: on cruises anymore.

1269
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, love your show.

1270
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 18: Can't wait to hear more.

1271
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 7: Okay, first of all, thank you so so much for

1272
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 7: that talk back, and we actually Taha in a moment

1273
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 7: is going to give you Amy Bradley update.

1274
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 2: And I think this actually goes back my purview, but this.

1275
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 7: Goes back to what Stephanie was saying, have the knowledge,

1276
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 7: don't be afraid to live your life. So I would say,

1277
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 7: if you're a cruise lover, love your cruises. However, super fun.

1278
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 2: They're so fun.

1279
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 7: I mean, I've been a carnival cruises and I love

1280
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 7: a mombo, I love a pictionary.

1281
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 6: I mean I do.

1282
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 2: You'll let you all of it.

1283
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 7: However, cruises are lawless in terms of they have no laws.

1284
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 7: It's international laws, so there is stuff to be aware

1285
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 7: of in there, and there definitely are, uh, there are

1286
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 7: crimes on cruises, so even within the fun, but again

1287
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 7: that's within everywhere.

1288
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 2: So I would say, you know, do your cruises and

1289
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 2: be safe at it. I think it's actually love it.

1290
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 2: I love a cruise to you love a cruise so

1291
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 2: much that all you can eat the lost all day there.

1292
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 20: At midnight it hand over fish, unpacking and showering over

1293
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 20: the toilet with that too.

1294
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 2: Keep it simple, right, like let's pack less and let's

1295
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 2: do more. However, until COVID, that COVID Cruise, when COVID

1296
01:07:55,040 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 2: was happening cruise, I loved the hoop Cruise where they

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Speaker 2: almost ride and this is I mean they almost ride

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Speaker 2: it over chicken wings I think, which they were, but

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Speaker 2: they were starving. There were starving. Literally, wait, why were

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Speaker 2: they picketing over chicken wings?

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Speaker 5: The boat like lost power or I can't remember exactly,

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Speaker 5: but like lost power for like a week and they

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Speaker 5: had like floating in the Gulf of Mexico. They were

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01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 5: just like floating around and none of the toilets work.

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Speaker 5: That's why they call it the poop Cruise because they

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Speaker 5: got they had to get hazard bags, a little red

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Speaker 5: hazard bags and pooping them.

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Speaker 2: Oh but it's so I mean, you can get dip

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Speaker 2: theory or just throwing out things. I mean, that is

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Speaker 2: so unsanitary. And by the way, I would survive that.

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Speaker 2: It was the COVID scare when everyone was locked up

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01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 2: but everyone was pooping away that sounds horrible. This well,

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Speaker 2: I think we're answering our own question right now. I've

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Speaker 2: come closer on this. I loves but apparently not on

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Speaker 2: an actual ship. I just maybe want to go party

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Speaker 2: in my head.

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Speaker 6: I can fill you in on back to Amy Bradley

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Speaker 6: real quick. There's been a little update with that. So

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Speaker 6: according to the Hollywood Reporter, they've revealed there's some new

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Speaker 6: evidence and witness accounts that have reignited the investigation into

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Speaker 6: the nineteen ninety eight disappearance of Amy Bradley. And as

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Speaker 6: we were mentioning she's the twenty three year old who

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Speaker 6: vanished while on a Royal Caribbean cruise. Is her family

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Speaker 6: near Caraco. Following renewed public attention from Netflix's Amy Bradley

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Speaker 6: is missing, the FBI and private investigators are now pursuing

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Speaker 6: three new leads. Here we go free you in on

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Speaker 6: the leads that they have. One. There is a female

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Speaker 6: bartender aboard the ship the night Amy vanished. She's come

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Speaker 6: forward and she's saying she shouted Signorita kidnapped before silenced

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Speaker 6: by crew members, reinforcing theories of kidnapping. So that's one.

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Speaker 6: So she yelled at investigators are the other one is

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Speaker 6: investigators tracked a suspicious digital hit on Amy's missing person

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Speaker 6: website to a boat near Barbados, raising questions about possible

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Speaker 6: contact or surveillance by her captors. And then this is

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Speaker 6: a third lead. A new lead suggests this one is crazy.

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Speaker 6: A new lead suggests Amy may have had at least

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Speaker 6: one child while being held in captivity, according to witness

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Speaker 6: statements now being reviewed by the FBI. So yeah, I

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01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 6: know this is all the latest with that, But according

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Speaker 6: to the FBI and Bradley's family's private investigative team, they're

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Speaker 6: all actively following these leads in Carocco and neighboring territories, despite,

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Speaker 6: as we brought up, the limited jurisdiction that they have

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01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 6: because of the international jurisdiction.

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Speaker 2: Is really difficult in the best of circumstances, even within

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01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 2: the United States. So imagine now you're outside of that

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01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 2: and you're a loved one or a family member who's

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01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:01,879
Speaker 2: looking for our answers. We did a podcast called Death Island,

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01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 2: which also really kind of highlights this and puts a

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01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 2: spotlight on the idea that once you leave you know,

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01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 2: literally chartered territory, you're US soil, you know, May God

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01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,679
Speaker 2: bless America. Once you leave, you're on your own, kid,

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01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 2: And you know, in this case, imagine trying to peel

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01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 2: back answers from you know, the government, from the place,

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01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,799
Speaker 2: from the sea, from the crews, you know, as parents

1355
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 2: and investigators. It becomes really a StopGate. I can only

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01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 2: imagine how difficult that must be. And if she had

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01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 2: a child, if that's one of the working theories I've heard,

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01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:39,639
Speaker 2: this theory is I wanted to I feel like I've

1359
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 2: debated this on the grocery store line and in the elevators,

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01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 2: and it was kind of indicated in the in the

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01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 2: documentary there was that blonde woman who said she was

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01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 2: fairly certain she saw I mean, Bradley was in the bathroom,

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01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 2: that she had appeared that she had captors. And they

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01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 2: mentioned a child that way too. That would keep her, Yeah,

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01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 2: you know, that would play the captive. Captive, you want

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01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 2: to be the mama bear and look after her. Maybe

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01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 2: you could never run off, even if it is to

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01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 2: get help, even if you know that there's something else

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01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 2: out there. But you're a mom now and a mama bear.

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Speaker 2: You can't just run off, even if that might be

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01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:26,759
Speaker 2: for the best of you. Sacrifice. I hope she's alive

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Speaker 2: and well.

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Speaker 6: I do too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: But on the plus side, it seems like a lot

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01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 6: of these sort of docs really bring like a new

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01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:34,679
Speaker 6: life to these cases.

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01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, the yogurt chat murders, how about that one?

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01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: And so they found him. They found him, and that

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01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 2: you have to assume just in large part due to

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01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 2: great investigative work. But the added swell, even within a department,

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01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 2: I would have to assume. This is an assumption at

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01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 2: a fact. But if you're working on a case from

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01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 2: forty years ago, you know it probably lacks a little

1386
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 2: luster because there's so many cases happening in real time.

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01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 2: But when there's a swell from the public, maybe due

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01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 2: to a documentary or some you know, unforeseen interest, that

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01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 2: might allow some of those resources to go back and

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01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 2: to get some answers. It's a tough one because you know,

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01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 2: there's enough crime to be fighting real time. Yeah, but

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01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 2: it seems like the yogurt Chop murders, they didn't let

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Speaker 2: it go and up and vanished.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if you guys remember that it was

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01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 7: a podcast that I believe has been made into it

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01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 7: was I used to set my watch by when.

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Speaker 2: That would come out.

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Speaker 7: It was extraordinary, it was excellent, and they solved in

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Speaker 7: doing this podcast Payne Lindsay and he was the one

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Speaker 7: who did it and he just started this really cold

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01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:52,799
Speaker 7: case disappearance of Tara Grinstead and it was solved because

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01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:53,719
Speaker 7: of the attention.

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01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 6: Wow, that's impressive. I'm glad to hear that something positive

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01:13:59,280 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 6: comes out of.

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01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 2: The actionable well and the attention.

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01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 5: Ellen Greenwork's case is getting now another one because the

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01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 5: Hula documentary just came out, and now that all this

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01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 5: stuff is coming out, I mean, it's not necessarily what

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01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 5: we wanted to hear, but I mean it's still people

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01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 5: are talking about it, so it's very timely.

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01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 2: And who knows, sometimes there's a relook that becomes required

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01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 2: when people really start to weigh in.

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01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 5: Right.

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01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 2: Well, listen, I don't even know how we're already We're

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01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 2: already on the next one.

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Speaker 15: We are.

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Speaker 2: Well listen, we're listening to True Crime Tonight. I'm Stephanie Leidecker,

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01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 2: Courtney Body and at this point we'll be right back

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01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 2: with some more talkbacks. So True Crime Tonight, stay with us.

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Speaker 2: Let's go for a talkback now.

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Speaker 17: Three times and one night I am calling in. Can

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01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,520
Speaker 17: you recognize the voice from Pennsylvania?

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01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 2: Anyway?

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01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 17: I love you, It's Steph. You'll ask a calladed question

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01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 17: of how we got evolved in true crime. I think

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01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:04,560
Speaker 17: that for me, because I'm a chaplain, it was a

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01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 17: spiritual question, spiritually, why did this happen?

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01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:08,599
Speaker 2: How does this happen?

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01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 17: And how can we make the world a better place

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01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 17: to live in spiritually because we've lost that.

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01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 5: Oh wow, you're a chaplain.

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01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 2: Wow. I never thought of that.

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01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 5: So in a spiritual way, you're trying to make the

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01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,600
Speaker 5: world a better place and understand why things happen. And

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01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously you probably offer counsel right to you're parishioners,

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01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 5: of course, so I want to be so you want

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01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 5: to be armed with like the worst of the worst,

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01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 5: so you, you know, are prepared to deal with people.

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01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 5: That's a that's very interesting. I never thought of that before.

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01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,759
Speaker 2: Can you imagine you're in a situation you're the chaplain

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01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 2: and somebody comes in and they tell you a little

1442
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 2: something that they've been experiencing in their real life or

1443
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 2: behind closed doors, and the Chaplin's like, what, yeah, like

1444
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:59,719
Speaker 2: never had hurt and they're just dumbfounded. Listen these things.

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01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 2: I guarantee most every single person listening to us right now,

1446
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 2: it's a it's not that bad. We talk about the

1447
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 2: bad the most, of course, but you know everybody gets

1448
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 2: really stuck in their heads. Wow. Anyway, it's a really

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01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 2: important gig. Yeah, that is a very important gig. Thank you, Steph.

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01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 2: I know she didn't say her name, but I know,

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01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 2: I know. It's so beautiful. Yeah, I'm getting to know.

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01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 5: I'm getting to know everybody, and I recognize her immediately,

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01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 5: So thank you.

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01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 2: Any friends from Newfie and Australia I know right best.

1455
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 2: So what do we have next?

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01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 18: Hey, it's Mac from Idaho. I just wanted to say

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01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 18: thank you body for your kind words. And I feel

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01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 18: like when you talk about the ripple effect, that really resonated.

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01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 18: And my mom was actually in town, so we talked

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01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 18: about it and I think that helped her. She doesn't

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01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 18: keep up with anything just because it hits a little

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01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 18: too close to home for her, but I think that

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01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 18: helped her and just kind of understanding that, you know,

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01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 18: there are ripples and it does affect people.

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01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 2: So thank you. Oh that was so cute.

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01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the ripple effect and for those who

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01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 5: don't know what we were talking about. We were talking about,

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01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:18,600
Speaker 5: you know, the Idaho student murderers. Brian Coberger has been convicted.

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01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 5: He played guilty. He's currently serving what one hundred and

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01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 5: thirty something years our life without the possibility of parroll

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01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 5: plus ten. And you know, obviously there were four beautiful

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01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 5: victims in this case, Kayleie, Maddie, Zanna and Ethan. And

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01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 5: then there's the you know, the ripple effect. And the

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01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,560
Speaker 5: ripple effect is, of course, the families first, you know,

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01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 5: the family of all four of those victims if you

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01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 5: imagine a circle, and then you know, out from there

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01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 5: the friends, and then the town and then classmates, yeah, classmates,

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01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:00,560
Speaker 5: and it just ripples, it just goes, you know, like

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Speaker 5: you might not have been a victim of Brian Coberger,

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01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 5: but you were affected in some way, right, And that's

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01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 5: the ripple effect. And Mac, if I remember correctly, her

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01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 5: mom was either a teacher there or went there or

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01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 5: lived in Moscow and was fairly traumatized from this event.

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01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 5: And you know, I think, Mac, I'm sorry if I

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01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 5: don't remember correctly, but it's been a while, but I

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01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 5: do remember a little bit. It's something about her mom

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01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 5: and her mom was feeling bad about it, and yeah, yeah,

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01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,600
Speaker 5: her mom was feeling bad about it. And you know,

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01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:40,639
Speaker 5: you might not have been a direct victim of Brian Coberger,

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01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 5: but this is a small town in Idaho, and everyone's

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01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 5: affected in some way, So you might not be a

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01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 5: primary victim, but you're, you know, a third four sixth.

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Speaker 6: Sixth, seventh victim.

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Speaker 2: You know, That's how I look at it. And even

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01:18:56,200 --> 01:19:00,560
Speaker 2: on Brian Coberger's side too, right, so his family, his siblings,

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01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 2: of course, their cousins. You know, you think of Luigi Mangione,

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01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:08,839
Speaker 2: like if you know or Mangione ripple, ripple, ripple, anybody

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01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 2: who's really come in contact. That becomes a generational thing too.

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01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 2: I'm dying to talk about generational trauma at one point

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01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 2: a different time, but something I'm like knee deep in studying,

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01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 2: but it is so true the ripple effects sometimes is

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01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 2: even just hearing a story sometimes can really stop somebody

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01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 2: in their tracks. And there's nothing to say other than

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01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 2: I think that's shared grief, right, that's a feeling of

1505
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 2: heartbreak or sadness or loss, if you know, being victimized,

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01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 2: anything that kind of you can categorize that way is

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01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 2: really somewhere gutturally, it's very relatable. And somehow the Idaho students, like,

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01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 2: in some way I touched all of our DNA in

1509
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 2: a way that can't quite be described. They became like

1510
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 2: extended family members, even though they really weren't right well.

1511
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:09,600
Speaker 7: And even people, you know, students who are embarking on

1512
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 7: college then have to have the reality of this in

1513
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 7: their imagination. The parents of students who are going off

1514
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 7: to college have to have it in the back of

1515
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 7: their minds, you know it really.

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01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 5: I mean, it's hard to send your kids off to college,

1517
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:26,599
Speaker 5: I would imagine, right like, oh my gosh, you knows,

1518
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 5: leaving the nest and whatnot. Now there's this added, you know,

1519
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 5: these four beautiful students who were just mining their own business,

1520
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 5: living life.

1521
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 2: You know, it reminded me a little bit, you know,

1522
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 2: I don't This is not a apples to apples in

1523
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,680
Speaker 2: any universe. But the lone wolf, I know, we've been

1524
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 2: talking about this a lot, and yes, this gets touched

1525
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 2: on in cells of course, and we talked about it

1526
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 2: last night with the Pacific Palisades alleged arsonist, also a

1527
01:20:55,080 --> 01:21:00,120
Speaker 2: lone wolf. You know, do we look at Brian Coburger know,

1528
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 2: also alone wolf. It's just the ripple from what that

1529
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 2: one action seemed like in their head that night, Like

1530
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 2: what if they just slept in What if they hadn't

1531
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 2: you know, made that left turn and instead, you know,

1532
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 2: got stopped by somebody and picked up by a friend,

1533
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 2: and like the day just changed. Just what is it

1534
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 2: about little day? Yes, had it been one different interaction

1535
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 2: at the coffee shop or at the dry cleaner or

1536
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:35,879
Speaker 2: in traffic, like is it possible that it wouldn't have happened?

1537
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 2: And I just I get so stuck in my head.

1538
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 2: I know, it's like talking about infinity, but it does

1539
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 2: check me sometimes, it really does.

1540
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 7: It does, And I personally try to stay away from

1541
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 7: that thinking that, Yeah, that thinking for me absolutely can

1542
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 7: be a loop. And if it's especially something bad gonna happened,

1543
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 7: what if I hadn't?

1544
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 2: What if I hadn't? What if I hadn't? And I

1545
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 2: find it to be a dangerous place for me to

1546
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 2: say it's not productive in any way. But again, imagine

1547
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 2: being a family member or on any side of it.

1548
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 2: So as we discuss these cases as a full picture,

1549
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 2: you know, there's so many perspectives to take into account,

1550
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 2: because yeah, it's the uber driver to the human that

1551
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 2: they happened to pick up on just the weird night,

1552
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 2: that there happened to be rain or there happened to

1553
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 2: be snowg What are the elements that all played A

1554
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 2: dark gas driver, the door dash driver, mark. I don't know.

1555
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 2: We talk about cases every night that how the lowest

1556
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 2: common denominator is murder and death as the answer is

1557
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 2: shocking on every level, and sometimes it's really shocking that

1558
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 2: it it's a sum of like these little small things

1559
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 2: that somehow took a weird turn. On Olivia. Who's Kaylee's sister.

1560
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 5: She was Kaylee Gonzalez was one of the victims of

1561
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 5: Branco in the Idaho student murders in Olivia. A couple

1562
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 5: maybe last week I think posted a TikTok and in

1563
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 5: this TikTok, it's the it's the video from the Corner

1564
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 5: Club of that night and Maddie and Kaylee are at

1565
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 5: the bar and they're just, you know, chit chatting, and

1566
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 5: the text above the video it's heartbreaking. It says something

1567
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 5: along the lines of I wish I could reach through

1568
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 5: and tell them, you know, not to go home, you know,

1569
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,640
Speaker 5: like it's it's because it's from that night before they

1570
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 5: went home, and I immediately started I mean I had

1571
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,680
Speaker 5: tears in my eyes watching this, and you know, they

1572
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 5: were just I mean, we're all we're all full of life, right,

1573
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 5: these are like literal twenty one year olds.

1574
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:44,719
Speaker 2: Like starting their life and their and they were happy.

1575
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 5: It's so sad. It's such a sad little video. And

1576
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 5: my heart really just went out to Olivia for sharing

1577
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 5: that with us, you know, like because I mean I

1578
01:23:56,000 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 5: remember watching the grub the Twitch video of the rub trot, right, yeah,

1579
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 5: it's thinking the same thing. And obviously, I mean I'm

1580
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,639
Speaker 5: not her sister. Obviously Olivia is gonna have this feeling

1581
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 5: a lot stronger. But it was like, wow, I'm not

1582
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 5: I'm not the only one that thinks that, Like I

1583
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 5: wish I could tell them not the Bome, or I

1584
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 5: wish I could tell them.

1585
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 2: It's a Gabby Potito body cam video, Like, oh, things

1586
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 2: change time. There's not a single person listening right now

1587
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 2: that hasn't had the exchange on a dime, you know,

1588
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 2: sometimes for the best and sometimes for the worst. And

1589
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 2: you kind of push on, right, so listen as long

1590
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 2: as there's not death. But yeah, it's a tough one

1591
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 2: because it's you know, just when we least expect it,

1592
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 2: so older loved ones close. We're not looking to be

1593
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 2: macab in any way, and no, not at all, but

1594
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 2: it's also kind of you know, go big or go home.

1595
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 2: It's a reminder. Yeah, those are real, real, real problems

1596
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 2: and troubles and anyway, full circle on the grief thing,

1597
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 2: but there's something to it. Let's go to a talk

1598
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 2: about Hi ladies.

1599
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 13: Sarah from Michigan. I was wondering if you saw that

1600
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 13: the beef Wellington poisoner in Australia was sentenced to life,

1601
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:09,640
Speaker 13: but thirty three years she'll be eligible for parole. And

1602
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 13: you know, when I first saw that, I was like,

1603
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 13: oh my gosh, that's awful. She should be in there

1604
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 13: without any chance of parole. But then I realized she's

1605
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 13: fifty one, and then she'd be like eighty four, and

1606
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 13: then I was like, well, I guess she can get

1607
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 13: out after that long.

1608
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 2: What do you guys think? I love, It's fine. This

1609
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 2: is why I thought so hilarious. Right, do you not

1610
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 2: get it? I get that, I totally get it. But again,

1611
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 2: where's the curve? Who gets the greater of this? Who

1612
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 2: gets them to be the greater on this curve. I

1613
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 2: don't know when I'm.

1614
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 6: Not, but I hear that.

1615
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:42,320
Speaker 7: Like that, No, it's but it's so funny. And then

1616
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 7: you look at I don't know how old Jane Fonda is.

1617
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 2: All right at least, and I mean, yeah, like them shape, Yeah,

1618
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,560
Speaker 2: you wish she doesn't buy new things anymore? Did I

1619
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:55,839
Speaker 2: read this? Correct me if I'm wrong, and I remember

1620
01:25:55,960 --> 01:26:01,840
Speaker 2: sharing that, yeah, aficionado Jane fi to this, but I

1621
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:08,520
Speaker 2: did think I read that she doesn't buy anything new, Yeponda,

1622
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:14,680
Speaker 2: but she's committed to just recycling and feels like, you know,

1623
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 2: all of this labels and celebrity and all of the

1624
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:21,719
Speaker 2: stuff is only bringing us down, by the way, I agree,

1625
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:22,680
Speaker 2: simple keep it.

1626
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 6: Say yeah, well, I'm not sure. I feel like to.

1627
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 2: Watch it's all take off for jewelry right now, for

1628
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:30,639
Speaker 2: the simple living.

1629
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,640
Speaker 7: But we have it already, Like she is making a

1630
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 7: statement about consumerism, So I.

1631
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 2: Purchasing.

1632
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 6: I'm receiving the shorter paroles because of the age. Like

1633
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 6: if you commit some hoarendous crime, I think you need

1634
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 6: to serve the time for it, and you know, whether

1635
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 6: eighty ninety or whatever it is. I'm sorry, Yeah, I.

1636
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 2: Tell that the granny killer granny from yesterday. Oh my god,

1637
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:00,760
Speaker 2: she is don'tur did.

1638
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:02,639
Speaker 5: You guys watch that at all? I watched the sentence

1639
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 5: Donna Addelson. She was sentenced yesterday. And her husband Harvey

1640
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 5: gets up there and he's like, the Markles are liars

1641
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:15,839
Speaker 5: and Dan Markle is the victim and her his parents.

1642
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 5: Dan's parents have custody of the grandchildren, right.

1643
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:21,720
Speaker 2: It's actually a custody dispute at this.

1644
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 5: Right, And and he gets up there and he admonishes

1645
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 5: the victim's parents like this the entire Addelson family lunatics,

1646
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 5: like one hundred percent. I mean, I just couldn't believe it.

1647
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 5: And then he had the he had he had his

1648
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:40,599
Speaker 5: phone with him and it started ringing in the middle

1649
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 5: of in the middle of court. It's like, oh my god,

1650
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 5: they're so like entitled and disrespectful. And I checked this

1651
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 5: morning again. There's a Twitter account did Wendy get arrested?

1652
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 5: I still check in every way.

1653
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 2: Wendy had no idea that maybe Wendy was raised in

1654
01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 2: this nutty household with nutty mom and dad. And she

1655
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 2: had no idea. She was like, look, I'm not trying

1656
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:05,639
Speaker 2: to get on I made the mistake of like lamenting

1657
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 2: to my mom. I didn't know she was a hitman.

1658
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 2: Is it possible that Wendy was in the dark this

1659
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 2: old time. Maybe she loved the husbands and maybe the

1660
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 2: husband wasn't you know that, you know, the granny had

1661
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 2: the issue with the husband. By the way, imagine the

1662
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 2: husband's family, you know, the Markells stuff to hear that.

1663
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 5: Now they're listening to this and now they're getting like this,

1664
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 5: they're getting called the liars by killer's husband like that

1665
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 5: was terrible during her Like it's just during her sentencing,

1666
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 5: he's like, oh the Markel's are I just was like,

1667
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:40,759
Speaker 5: Harvey shut ups.

1668
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 2: Like the rest Harvey? Is Harvey gonna get arrested?

1669
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:42,680
Speaker 6: Or was he?

1670
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 2: So I think he's in the dark.

1671
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Harvey, Well he was going to Vietnam

1672
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 5: with her, right, so, I mean maybe he.

1673
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 2: Was in the airplane when she got pulled off of

1674
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 2: it and arrested on the carmat Do I am I

1675
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 2: remembering that correctly? I actually don't. They were like they

1676
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 2: weregible but winning are you? Are you is your last name? Madelson?

1677
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:07,640
Speaker 2: Are you trying to get out of the country right now?

1678
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 2: Would you mind coming with us? Right, and that was

1679
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 2: the end of it. That was the end of Granny. Well,

1680
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 2: I guess listen more on that to come. I wish

1681
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:19,640
Speaker 2: we had ten more hours. Honestly, I could do this

1682
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:22,639
Speaker 2: for fifteen more hours straight. Let's stay up all night

1683
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 2: and high tracks right now, high fives EVERYBODYI I wish

1684
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:30,800
Speaker 2: we could so, but listen. We will be back tomorrow night.

1685
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:34,599
Speaker 2: So thank you for tuning in for talk back Tuesday.

1686
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 2: I don't know why I said it that way, talk

1687
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:41,599
Speaker 2: Back Tuesday talk but yes Wednesdays please, we like talkbacks

1688
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 2: on Wednesdays too, so don't let the Tuesday thing trip

1689
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 2: you out. Please. You can leave us a message eight

1690
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 2: eight eight three one crime just gave us a voicemail

1691
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 2: or a talkback iHeartRadio app Oh my goodness. You could

1692
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,480
Speaker 2: also hit us up on our socials. There's really no excuse.

1693
01:29:56,920 --> 01:30:00,240
Speaker 2: And tomorrow we have a huge show What's happening Tomorrow.

1694
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 6: We are going to have Sheena Robinson on and then

1695
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 6: oh yes, yeah, she's going to come back and talk

1696
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 6: about a case we should know about.

1697
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 2: All right, troll Crime tonight, stay safe, good night,