1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of the Odd Couple podcasts. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday from seven 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: pm to ten pm Eastern four to seven Pacific on 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for The Odd 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: Couple at Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR. 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: You're listening to the best of the Odd. 8 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: Couple the Association. Indeed, what a bombshell today, right? This 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: season has just started, basically a couple games under the belt. 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: You know, people are ready to buzz about Wimby and 11 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: some other players and what's going on, and then all 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 1: hell breaks loose. 13 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, to put it in lightly, hell hell broke loose. 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 3: It's a lot that happen. I'm gonna try to give 15 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 3: you the cliffs notes version because it is a lot. 16 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 4: But long story short. 17 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 3: Blazers coach Chauncey Billups, heat guard Terry Roseier, and former 18 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 3: NBA are Damon Jones or a friend of ours show 19 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 3: friend of the show? 20 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 4: Yes, he's been on Kelvin. 21 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 5: I was going to. 22 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 3: Text him yesterday and I stopped myself and I would 23 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 3: have been real awkward if I had. But any event, 24 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 3: all three of them were arrested and are being charged 25 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 3: for a series of different allegations quickly. Chauncey Billups is 26 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: alleged to have been part of a illegal poker scheme 27 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 3: where they were defrauding people over millions of dollars using 28 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 3: X ray glasses and rig shuffle machines, so on and 29 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 3: so forth, in addition to being implicated in a illegal 30 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 3: information sharing scheme with regard to the NBA games, specifically 31 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 3: that he was tipping off betters that players on his 32 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 3: team would not be playing because the team was taking 33 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 3: that's number one Terry Rogier, we already know about it 34 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 3: prop bets. Allegedly that he was telling people know, I'm 35 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: not going to play this many minutes this game, so 36 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: hit the under on all my bets. That's being alleged 37 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 3: with him. And last but not least, Damon Jones allegedly 38 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: not only was he part of the Chauncey Billups poker 39 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 3: scheme to defraud people, he also allegedly was tipping off 40 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 3: betters that Lebron James. Even though he did not work 41 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 3: for the Lakers, he was not an official coach on 42 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 3: the Lakers, he was brought in by Lebron as like 43 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 3: a special assistant, helping before games. He was riding on 44 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 3: the team plane, he was staying in the hotel. He 45 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 3: was tipping off betters that Lebron James, even though he 46 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 3: wasn't listed on the injury report, would not be playing, 47 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 3: so bet against the Lakers in this upcoming game. 48 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 4: Again, this is all fluid. 49 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 3: These are all allegations for now, but bombshell being dropped 50 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 3: in the NBA. 51 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 1: And I'm glad you said that everyone is innocent into 52 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: a proven guilty, So we start there. 53 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 4: No one's saying anybody's guilty. We don't know. 54 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: That's why there's a trial and all kinds of other 55 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: stuff that has to go on. Kelvin, did we just 56 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: put that up out front? 57 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 4: Okay? But did? 58 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start here, and I'm gonna start here because 59 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: I get it. Everyone's gonna say these guys are dumb 60 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: and are stupid. Right, Oh, you're stupid. You make millions. 61 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: You're an NBA player, Johnson's in the Hall of Fame, 62 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: he's an NBA head coach. He made a ton of 63 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: money as a player. They were all dumb and all stupid. 64 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna lay the blame squarely on your Commissioner, Adam Silver, 65 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: the NBA, and all the other leagues following behind. 66 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 4: Okay, this is where I'm gonna put. 67 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: The blame, because they've made it comfortable enough where people 68 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: felt like they can do this and they can be 69 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: involved in it. Because at one time Kelvin gambling was 70 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: a no no. So much so I remember them saying, 71 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: they'll never. 72 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 4: Be a team in Las Vegas. 73 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: Right, They'll never be a team in Las Vegas because 74 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: they're not gonna do that. I remember when Major League 75 00:03:55,600 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: Baseball told Mickey Mantle and Willie Made to get lost Rocks. 76 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: They were greeters at Atlantic City in front of a casino. Right, fans, 77 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: come meet Mickey Manno, these guys are a long time retired. 78 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: They were retired baseball players. They weren't even playing. They said, 79 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: if you're greeters, we want nothing to do with you. 80 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: You can't wear a Major League Baseball uniform, you can't 81 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: come to Old Timers Day, nothing to do with the sport. 82 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 4: We know what Pete Baseball did to Pete Rose. 83 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: Right, No Persada, Nongrad, your band for life, all the 84 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: other stuff, and now that's all changed, and all the leagues. 85 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: I'm not saying all the leagues, we know this. They're 86 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: all in bed with the casinos. We've normalized gambling to 87 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: the point where people feel comfortable. 88 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 4: To even do this. We just saw last week. 89 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: Did we not talk Kelvin about the colleges, colleges allowing 90 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: players to no both bet on on as long as 91 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: it's not your game, you can bet on. 92 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 4: Okay, here we go. 93 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: And this is why I think we are will we 94 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: are is because there is no fear of God from 95 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: the league's. The Terry Roseier thing is as bad a 96 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: black guy to the NBA as anything. How the hell 97 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: did they clear him? Who's your investigative team? They should 98 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: all be fired. Adam Silver should come with his hat 99 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: in his hand and apologize that this league basically exonerated 100 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: him and allowed him to play and then the FBI 101 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: snaps handcuffs on him today. 102 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 4: Seriously, how did that happen? You know how that happened? 103 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: Because they wanted it to go away. 104 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 5: Let me add it to go away? 105 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 4: And go ahead, Kevin, I I can see here all. 106 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 6: Let me add to that. Not only did they want 107 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 6: it to go away. If you recall, do you remember 108 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 6: when it went away? Do you remember what happened that day. 109 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 6: That's the day Malik Beasley's thing came out. So they 110 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 6: didn't want it to have multiple stuff going on at 111 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 6: the same time. So let's kind of scurry and move 112 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 6: on away from one the other one comes out, let's 113 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 6: hurry up and get away from that one. Oh, we're 114 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 6: right in the middle of what. We're right in the 115 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 6: middle of the Steve Bamber Kawhi Leonard Clipper thing. So 116 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 6: the NBA had a lot going on right now. And 117 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 6: you already know the Johntay Porter stuff that happened with 118 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 6: the you know, the the last year. 119 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 5: So there is a lot when. 120 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 6: It came to gambling, Tim Donaheed, notwithstanding over the last 121 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 6: ten to fifteen years, and especially now that the NBA 122 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 6: is trying to skate away from. And the challenge with 123 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 6: this is they are in bed with gambling. So they 124 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 6: tell you don't gamble on certain things. But hold on, 125 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 6: let's take a quick break. It's brought to you by DraftKings, 126 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 6: it's brought to you by Price Picks, brought to you 127 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 6: by FanDuel, And so which one is it? Is it 128 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 6: don't gamble? Is it gamble this way? Or if you 129 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 6: are going to gamble only use our sites. So it 130 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 6: is a convoluted, mixed up thing that is getting ugly, 131 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 6: that is creating a normalcy to kids because it's on absence, 132 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 6: looks fun and it looks like something cool to do, 133 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 6: and you don't have to bet big money. You can 134 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 6: bet a few dollars, so that's not a big problem. 135 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 6: I'm only betting a few dollars, and it causes, it 136 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 6: can cause and lead to people becoming becoming problematic. Now, 137 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 6: going back to the NBA specific, I don't fully agree 138 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 6: with you in that I agree that this is horrible. 139 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 6: You and I have talked about it for a whole year. 140 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 6: Now the whole gambling in bed with everybody. Then you're 141 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 6: telling them not to gamble. The only challenge I'll have 142 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 6: with this is to damon Jones taking advantage of information 143 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 6: about Lebron a professional you retired from. 144 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 5: The game like that. 145 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 6: That's on you being a part of you know, Gilberderenas 146 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 6: and all that stuff happened with Gilbert. Now you got 147 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 6: with stuff it allegedly happened with Chauncey, like being a 148 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 6: part of mop tied casino games and poker nights. I 149 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 6: should say that's on you like so, I don't want 150 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 6: to absolve the personal responsibility. I do think the convenience, 151 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 6: the normalcy, the ease has become become all of these leagues, 152 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 6: and the league is in a very peculiar situation now 153 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 6: where I. 154 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 5: Think we're gonna get more and more. You and I've 155 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 5: talked about it. 156 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 6: Michael Porter, John Tay Porter's brother talked about it recently 157 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 6: on a podcast. He said, you know how hard it 158 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 6: is for these young dudes to come in, ain't really 159 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 6: making crazy money, knowing so and so got a bum leg, 160 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 6: And you might want to take the under on tonight. 161 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 6: Knowing so and so, you know what's the over today? 162 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 6: I'm taking ten threes. You might want to take the 163 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 6: under tonight. I'm only gonna shoot seven. And if you're 164 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 6: a young dude, that is hard to not do. And 165 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 6: the normalcy in which happens they're allowing it in college, 166 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 6: as we talked about, as long as it's on the pros, 167 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 6: this is just all gonna be missed up, mixed up 168 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 6: and mixed up. Rob and I think we're gonna find 169 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 6: where this becomes an epidemic, where we're gonna look up 170 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 6: ten fifteen years from now and we have an epic 171 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 6: of young people turned adults who have gambling problems that 172 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 6: they never even thought of this becoming an issue for them. 173 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: You have in Cleveland, they have a gambling spot inside 174 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: the arena, and it's inside the arena, Yet you're telling 175 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: players they can't participate. It's normal for everybody else, right, Yeah, 176 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: So once you once you cross that, you can't close 177 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: it off. You can't tell them everybody around them can gamble. 178 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 4: It's it's in your face. 179 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: Everything is sponsored by right, and I'm saying that at 180 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: some point all money is not good money because you're 181 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: messing with the integrity of the game. That's why forever 182 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: these leagues never got in bed with Las Vegas. No, 183 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: no events, nothing. We're not having anything in Las Vegas. 184 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,599 Speaker 1: The players aren't staying in Las Vegas, do you know 185 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: what I'm say? 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They 208 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 7: have one of the greatest steakhouses in the United States 209 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:11,359 Speaker 7: called the Vets With it be old school Chicago style steakhouse. 210 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 7: It's like walking into the twenties, that's all I can 211 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 7: tell you. 212 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: All Right, well, you know I love the steaks, so 213 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: definitely that's somewhere from me, Bill, no doubt about that. 214 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 5: On the list. I'll be in Vegas a couple of 215 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 5: weeks but. 216 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 4: Bill, I mean the shockwaves through Vegas today. 217 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, like seriously, the fbis involved, current 218 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: players are in handcuffs. 219 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 4: What was your take when you just heard the news? 220 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 7: You know, I heard earlier this morning and I go 221 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 7: on to show downtown at Circa in the morning. I 222 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 7: heard about it right away, and I just was kind 223 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 7: of shocked, But I wasn't shocked. I'm shocked by the 224 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 7: stupidity of players that make millions of dollars a year 225 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 7: that would actually risk themselves for such small amounts of money. 226 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 7: But I'm not shocked at Like, you know, there was 227 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,719 Speaker 7: a recent Major League Baseball pitcher that had it. H 228 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 7: that's right, or he was you know, first pitch. I mean, 229 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 7: of course, that's really unethical, and that's terrible that he 230 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 7: did something like that. But he's making eight hundred thousand 231 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 7: a year. You're talking about guy making twenty five million 232 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 7: a year, twenty four and a half million a year. 233 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 7: I just can't believe he would do something so stupid 234 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 7: like that. I really can't. And to see it happen, 235 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 7: it's such a sore spot and such a black high 236 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 7: on the industry. It was definitely done purposely because the 237 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 7: basketball season was starting too. I think that's that's that's 238 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 7: a that's a that's a no brainer. 239 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: But do you get more attention if you do it 240 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: in the offseason and then I get it and you're 241 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: trying to, you know, put the hammer down on this 242 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: situation and get people's attention, and they got people's attention. 243 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: I do want to ask you and Kevin, I'm sorry, 244 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: let me just follow up. 245 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 4: Go ahead, just the idea. 246 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: Bill, Kelvin and I have said this on the show, 247 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 1: like the prop bets have to stop, because those are 248 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: the ones to me that are very easy and very 249 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: I might not bet on it, but I could call 250 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: friends and family and be like, yo, if my over 251 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: under tonight is seven three pointers, trust me, I will 252 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: not have seven three pointers tonight. And you guys can 253 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: load up and I'm not have to lend you any money. 254 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: I don't have to give you any money, but I'm 255 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: I'm I can help you well. 256 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 7: To be real blunt, though I bet NBA, NFL and 257 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 7: even baseball props every day, it's not an efficient market 258 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 7: like an NBA or NFL side is. I know. I 259 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 7: can actually just follow the socials, follow the beat reporters 260 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 7: and I can get a better grasp on an NBA player, 261 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 7: how they're doing on the sidelines, how they're warming up situationally. 262 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 7: Let me just tell you, even me with all my connections, 263 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 7: I'm just going to be real blunts. I can get 264 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 7: down maybe I don't know, three, maybe four thousand dollars. 265 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 7: The sportsbooks don't take any big bets on it. I 266 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 7: can walk right to the counter right here where I'm at, 267 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 7: and they're going to take five hundred dollars on an 268 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 7: NBA prop bet. However, if I want to bet on 269 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 7: the Lakers, how much money you got in your bags? 270 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 7: You got two hundred thousand, will take it. So I 271 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 7: really don't know about what they're saying, Like, I don't 272 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 7: know how much. 273 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: Well, somebody that bet twenty thousand dollars, they said it 274 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: was a twenty thousand dollars that was bet on it 275 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: because you could spread it out amongst other you know 276 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: what I mean, not make it that obvious. 277 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 7: To believe it. 278 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 4: That's what they That's what that's what they said. It 279 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 4: was over TI. 280 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 7: Every single day, every single day, Bill Krackenberger is betting 281 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 7: NBA and NFL prop store in their respective seasons. I'll 282 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 7: tell you right now, I have a good I have 283 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 7: a good amount of places here in Vegas that take 284 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 7: my bets. And I just know what they take a 285 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 7: maximum bet in these casinos here, and. 286 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 5: Now what is it? 287 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 4: What is the maximum? 288 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: So you can't if if it went when you had 289 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: two thousand dollars, they wouldn't take it. 290 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 7: No, No, no one's taking two thousand. Westgate and Circles 291 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 7: the biggest too in town here. They're taking a thousand each. 292 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 7: And that's always been the case. It's not like they 293 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 7: now they're only taking a thousand because of the story. 294 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 7: That's what they've been taking always now, so why even 295 00:14:59,280 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 7: have it? 296 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: It's if it's not that big of a money, why 297 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: have inhabit? Then if you're telling me that it's not 298 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: a lot of money, better on it. Then you could 299 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: eliminate the prop bets bill, can't you? 300 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 5: Yeah? 301 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 7: They could you have a valid Okay, you know I 302 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 7: did about seven different interviews today. This is why you 303 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 7: guys are geniuses. And I'm not gonna say nothing bad 304 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 7: about anyone else earlier, nobody out of the seven, you're 305 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 7: the first guys that said why not just eliminate prop bets? 306 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 7: I'm not the first guys. 307 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 4: All right, we've said it. 308 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, Bill, Robin and I talk about this all the 309 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 6: time because the ease in which and now you have 310 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 6: kids and the access to it, it's almost like a 311 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 6: video game. It's almost fun, right, just oh, I could 312 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 6: throw ten bucks on this. And to me, it's where 313 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 6: it becomes problematic is because it's going it can potentially 314 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 6: spread and because something that's habitual for young people. Let 315 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 6: me ask you though, that I want to go to 316 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 6: the other side of this, the information game. Let's look 317 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 6: at it like politics. You know, it's it's illegal. If 318 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 6: I do it, you do it. But if a politician 319 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 6: does some insight trader, it's just like, oh, they just 320 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 6: got inside information. 321 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 5: How does that work? With the information? 322 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 6: Like David Jones can say, hey, Lebron might not play tonight, 323 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 6: But like you said, a reporter might be able to say, like, 324 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 6: how does that all work? 325 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 5: In Vegas? Who you know to listen to? Who you 326 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 5: can you can't? 327 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 7: Well, let me just tell you you're talking to someone 328 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 7: that does a show on the weekends. And I interviewed 329 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 7: the head of trading for our sponsor bet MGM. Now 330 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 7: he knows me, he knows I'm a good size better. 331 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 7: You know, let me be blunt. I have six figures 332 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 7: in my MGM account. I keep it in there just 333 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 7: for betting. He knows that I bet my expects on everything. 334 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 7: And I'll just tell you, listen, inside information. I've always 335 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 7: told kids. I've always even told the traders that's kind 336 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 7: of bs. I listen. I am in tune with so 337 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 7: many things. I hate when I hear at the end 338 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 7: of a game that was fixed, that was fixed, that 339 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 7: was fixed. However, today does show there is certain guys 340 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 7: with knowledge, and I was probably proved wrong. But I'll 341 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 7: tell you one thing. I have never ever been told, Hey, 342 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 7: this is inside information, this is gonna. That's not the 343 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 7: way we work on analytics. We work on on information 344 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 7: that is based on our models and and you know 345 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 7: it's not based on inside fixes and information. I don't 346 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 7: kind I still don't kind of. This is an isolated incident, Donnie. 347 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 7: He was an isolated incident. Yes, it does happen, and 348 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 7: I'm not saying it didn't happen in this situation, by 349 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 7: the way, But to drag all these NBA guys for 350 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 7: playing poker and stuff in the game, I mean, there's 351 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 7: poker games all of the country being played with with 352 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 7: famous celebrities and famous you know, not only athletes, but celebrities. 353 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: People do have cameras and it's a fix, and everybody 354 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: at the tables you're you know, like these other that 355 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: that's a. 356 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 4: Different poker game. 357 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 5: That's the issue. 358 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's. 359 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 5: Why I know it is. 360 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 7: I know it is. And and and if they are 361 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 7: proven guilty that they were bringing people in, uh, you know, 362 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 7: to lose their money to the wise guys and stuff, 363 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 7: they absolutely deserve to be penalized to the every penalty 364 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 7: of the law. I'm not saying that, but I just 365 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 7: I just think it's a little bit overblown a lot. 366 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 7: I think when you whenever you see a bust, let's say, 367 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 7: you see a bust and they put the OG word 368 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 7: the organized crime, organized crime, they always say, this is 369 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 7: fifty million dollars a week, Well maybe fifty millions was 370 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 7: being that only one or two percent was being held. 371 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 7: They just kind of make things and blow them out 372 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 7: of proportion. But however, I I my platform is responsible gambling. 373 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 7: I don't want kids gambling. I don't want kids seeing it. 374 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 7: Whenever I go to Yankee Stadium or whatever, I see 375 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 7: left field, center field, right field adds for the big 376 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 7: sports books. And I feel bad for the kids have 377 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 7: to go through that because I went through that. I 378 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 7: was gambling at a young age. I know what it's 379 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 7: like to you know, gamble and get yourself in trouble 380 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 7: at a young age. So I don't want the kids 381 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 7: to go through any of that kind of stuff. And 382 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 7: I preached that constantly on my socials. I just interviewed 383 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 7: a guy that lost three hundred and fifty million dollars. 384 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 7: I got four million hits on Instagram. You know, he 385 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 7: lost three hundred and fifty million dollars. He flew in 386 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 7: town last week, didn't interview with me. Show people what gambling? 387 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 7: Does you want a dollar today? Not a dollar Terry Watson? Yeah, 388 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 7: you don't have a dollar today? 389 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 4: That is crazy. 390 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: And the thing we all got to remember, there's legal 391 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 1: gambling and is illegal, you know what I mean, there's 392 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: two different ones. And when things are legal and support 393 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: done the right way, people have a right to do 394 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: what's legal but not illegal. And I always want to 395 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: make sure we say that and if you do it. 396 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 6: Right and yeah within the conference with law all right, Hey, Bill, 397 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 6: that we appreciate you. 398 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 5: Thank you so much. 399 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 7: I'll say it again. I've been on a lot of 400 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 7: shows today. You guys are sharper than anybody. You really are. 401 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 7: Great job, guys, and look forward to talking to you 402 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 7: guys again. 403 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 404 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 405 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 2: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 406 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 2: listen live. 407 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: I think the bigger one was Chauncey Billups today, right, 408 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: I mean that was the uh a current NBA coach 409 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: who coached the night before's and handcuffs the next morning, 410 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: and the allegations are really bad about him, rob g. 411 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, not just the current NBA coach, because I you know, 412 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 3: some people don't even know he coached the Cheryl Blazers. 413 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 3: They know him as mister big shot NBA champions and 414 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 3: Detroit Feam Chauncys Pillups Pillips. Chauncey Billups easily the biggest 415 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 3: name associated with all of this stuff. And let's get 416 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 3: a quick refresher course on what's being alleged here involving 417 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 3: Chauncey Billups. Number one, the one that he is listed 418 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 3: in by name, involves an alleged poker scheme where they 419 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 3: were rigging games with shuffle machines, X ray glasses of 420 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 3: mark cards as a way to get millions of dollars 421 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 3: from what people they do. 422 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 4: We're both shaking our heads, right, I mean. 423 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 5: It sounds like some Ocean thirteen stuff. 424 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 4: Sounded like a movie script. 425 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 3: And if you're on Twitter and you saw what these 426 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 3: X ray marked cars things, you're. 427 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 4: Like, it can't be that easy. Apparently it was. 428 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 3: So that's the number one, number two, and this is 429 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 3: one that people have inferred and figured out. 430 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 4: On their own. 431 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 3: In the Terry rose Year indictment, Billups is not listed 432 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 3: by name, but there is a person described in the 433 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 3: indictment that is a former professional player who played from 434 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 3: ninety seven to two thousand and fourteen. 435 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 4: What would that be right? 436 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,719 Speaker 3: And that he is a current NBA coach, that he 437 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 3: is currently residing in Oregon, and uh, you know, we'll 438 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 3: see who that is at a later. 439 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 5: Exactly what is uh Jeopardy mustpost say? Who is Shauzi Billips? 440 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 4: Exactly? 441 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 5: And y'all the clues. 442 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 3: In that portion of the Terry Roseier allegations, it mentions 443 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 3: a person in Oregon who was relaying information to betters 444 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 3: that his team was tanking that X, Y, and Z 445 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 3: players would not be playing later this week, so if 446 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 3: you wanted to bet against us, now would be the 447 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 3: time to do it. This was all, of course, before 448 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 3: then your reports from a public so this was insider information. 449 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: Unbelievable, unbelievable, and I gotta say this, Yeah, that is 450 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: just damaging, all of it, and even the bilking of 451 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: people with the phony poker games and rigged and all that. 452 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: If all of this is true, I don't know how 453 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: you come back from this from the standpoint of being 454 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: involved in basketball, the way people feel about you despite 455 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: what you did on the field, you know what I mean. 456 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 1: And he earned all of that. He was a hell 457 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: of a player. I covered all that with the pistols. 458 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: He was tremendous. I mean, the MVP of the finals. 459 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 1: They beat Shaq and Kobe and for future Hall of 460 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: famers call him alone, Gary Payton. 461 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 4: I mean all of that. And in twenty twenty. 462 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: Four, this past a lot, right, this past year, right, yeah, 463 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:08,959 Speaker 1: he was inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield, Massachusetts. Kelvin, 464 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: I don't know how you could do anything. And obviously 465 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: we say if convicted, So let's leave that there. These 466 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: are all allegations. No one's saying he's guilty and should 467 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: be thrown under the jail any of that. 468 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 4: But he would have. 469 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: To come out of the Hall of Fame if these 470 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: allegations are proved or he's convicted of these allegations. I 471 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: don't know if any other way how he could be 472 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: involved or how you could honor him in this situation. 473 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 5: That pays me to say. 474 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 6: You mentioned that two thousand and three when he got there, 475 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 6: was it two that ten year runner, give or take 476 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 6: he had. I was there, like you said, I used 477 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 6: to work at WDFN, the sports station there. 478 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 5: I was a you know, just getting in my. 479 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 4: Career and I was there any games. 480 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm going in the game setting up the you know, 481 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 6: the booth for our radio got the Rod Parker and 482 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 6: Kelvin Washington in the future. You know, I can just 483 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 6: sit there and learn and watch. And I got to 484 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 6: be around the game and the team and dude, that 485 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 6: that run meant so much to me and he became 486 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 6: one of my all time favorite players, as you mentioned, 487 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 6: because he was great, he made all the big shots. 488 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 5: That team was so. 489 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 4: Fun and me name was real because he made a big. 490 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 6: Shot, without a doubt, and he meant so much to 491 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 6: the city and that team. You were there, so it 492 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 6: paid me when I saw that this morning anchoring the 493 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 6: news my phone and it sees his face, of all 494 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 6: the faces, just didn't feel like that would be the 495 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 6: face you would see. 496 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 4: He could No, I'll be honest, you were there. 497 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 5: There's nothing. 498 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 6: You didn't hear anything about chouns except good dude, this that, 499 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 6: and again this is all alleged. We don't know, we 500 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 6: hope not, but as things are right now, to answer, 501 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 6: to go back to the point of the conversation, you 502 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 6: absolutely have to take somebody out the Hall of Fame. 503 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 6: And because if this were just rigged poker games, as 504 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 6: bad as that is, that's separate from the NBA. That 505 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 6: is why we have federal investigators, criminal investigators, state you know, investigators, 506 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 6: all these different type of investigators and police officers who 507 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 6: can handle that. That is separate from the NBA, especially 508 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 6: considered you know, he's no longer a player, obviously he's 509 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 6: a coach. 510 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 5: But you could say that's nothing to do with us. 511 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 6: Because people get pulled over, people have other domestic violence, 512 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 6: people have substance abuse that people have personal live issues. 513 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 4: I agree to a certain extent. 514 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: I don't think you could look at him the same 515 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: way of cheating people out of money, knowing that the 516 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: games were rigged. 517 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 4: And I know what I'm saying is, I know, I. 518 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 6: Don't think that's pull you out to pull you out 519 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 6: that could have been kept you from getting in. 520 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 5: I'm not gonna use that as pull you out. I'm 521 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 5: pulling you out. 522 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 4: I don't know how. 523 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: I don't know what I feel good about Chauncey Billups 524 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: at all if I know that he was a part 525 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: of the mob and the mafia and they had rig 526 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: games to build people out of money. 527 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 4: I'm just being I'm not. 528 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 5: No, no, I get your morale. I'm with you. 529 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 6: What I'm saying is the NBA I have to go, like, 530 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 6: where do I draw the line? That's nothing to do 531 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 6: with me, meaning the entity of the NBA. 532 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: But according to that all right, So uh no, I 533 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: don't want to get into hypotheticals, but somebody could do. 534 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: But there's something heinous and because it wasn't done during 535 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: because of basketball, you still would be okay with it. 536 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 4: He should stay. 537 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 6: What I'm saying is because if he presents a challenge 538 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 6: to where I draw the line like someone who's in 539 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 6: the Hall of Fame. Right now, I, like you said, 540 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 6: I don only want to use a name player ex 541 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 6: is in the Hall of Fame. Come to find out 542 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 6: he beat his wife pretty bad, and have come to 543 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 6: find out does it regularly? 544 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 5: Do you go and then now pull him out? 545 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 6: You get what I mean that it becomes a slippery 546 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 6: slope when someone does something criminal and where do you 547 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 6: pull The reason why I would pull I would pull 548 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 6: him out is because this had something to do with 549 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 6: the NBA. If this what is alleged actually happened, because 550 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 6: you are telling guys, hey, I ain't playing him to night. Hey, 551 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 6: we're taking no. Hey, you might want to put some 552 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 6: money on us. We're gonna look bad tonight. Now, that 553 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 6: directly affects the integrity of the game, the trust of 554 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 6: the gang, just as directing my business and our fans 555 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 6: that I'm pulling you out. 556 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: But there's also but also in contracts as a professional athlete, 557 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: there are moral clauses in there that have nothing to 558 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: do with basketball, moral clauses on how That's why I 559 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 1: fire you, on how you on how you hand represent yourself. 560 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 5: Yes, and I will fire you for that. Rob, I'm 561 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 5: with you. 562 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 6: I will say in your contract states this you did X, 563 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 6: you're fired again. Pulling you out of the Hall of 564 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 6: Fame becomes a very slippery slope. 565 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: If it becomes to me, it's it's not slippery slope 566 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: if you're convicted of this and you look at where 567 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: the because it's a big scope and I get it. 568 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 4: You know there's there's two different charges. 569 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: Here, right Because saying that you would be cool with 570 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: Chauncey if he just built people out of millions of 571 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: dollars with the mafia, you're saying you're cool with that. 572 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 5: Interestate not me. 573 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 4: I'm saying no, No, I'm asking you you're. 574 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 5: Not absolutely not cool, But I'm no, I think he should. 575 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 4: But you're saying you wouldn't take him out of the 576 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 4: Hall of Fame if it was just that charge, is. 577 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 5: Correct, Kelvin. 578 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 4: If I'm Commissioner Washington, I disagree. 579 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,959 Speaker 6: Because what I'm saying, I would be disappointed. I wouldn't 580 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 6: book him for events blah blah blah blah blah. But 581 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 6: it becomes a slippery slope. 582 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 7: Rob. 583 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 6: This person beat his wife, this person was selling dope, 584 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 6: this person frauded people out of money, because he was 585 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 6: with Enron, you know what I mean. He was with 586 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 6: Nron and he frauded people. People somebody killed themselves because 587 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 6: they lost all their savings. And like, where do I 588 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 6: draw the line when it becomes things that are away 589 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 6: from the game because of people. 590 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: Draw the line as the behavior where you do not 591 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: hold yourself to a certain standard. 592 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 5: So you're gonna go, well, I'm not mad at you. 593 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: I hear that I would pull people out if they're convicted, 594 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: like like they couldn't pull O. J. Simpton because he 595 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: was acquitted. Whether you agree or not, he was acquitted, Okay, said. 596 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 5: He was found guilty of the civils. You get what 597 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 5: I'm saying. 598 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 6: So it becomes But that's why I'm saying, I wouldn't 599 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 6: want to have to become the judge, jury, and the 600 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 6: executioner on every criminal thing that someone's convicted, because I 601 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 6: have thousands of people in my Hall of Fame, which 602 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 6: you picked the league, and every year someone du y 603 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 6: car crash killed somebody that this person I just. 604 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 4: Don't know that. 605 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you say that, but I don't know if 606 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: it's that many people that you're making the case that 607 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: they have all these other skeletons and they're still in fame. 608 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 4: I'm just saying I would have. 609 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: To you would have to give me some examples, because 610 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that there's nobody and I'm not I'm 611 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: talking about like there their uh just got into the 612 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame or whatever. They're in the Hall of fame, 613 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,959 Speaker 1: they're alive, and they do something where they get arrested. 614 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: As as an NBA coach, you're you're you just coached 615 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: the game the night. 616 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 4: Before, you get you get you get arrested. 617 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, Lawrence Taylor, you and I both agree. 618 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 6: You could make a case he's the greatest football not 619 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 6: just defensively period. Brother had a while pass ain't nobody, 620 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 6: ain't no secrets. Something comes up? Now he back out 621 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 6: on the street, Michael Irvin wild pass. Things happen? Do 622 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 6: I pull him out because of the White House? You 623 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 6: remember the White House is something you know he done 624 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 6: went back to the White House? 625 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 5: Rob Well. 626 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 6: You know again this is all hypothetical, just using example 627 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 6: to rob Do I then pull them out? You get 628 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 6: what I'm saying? 629 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 5: Like it it becomes difficult. 630 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: I think you have to look at the offense. What's happened? 631 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: Uh if you're convicted of a crime, if you're sent 632 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: to prison, I think you have every right. 633 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 4: If it's he said and she said, and. 634 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,719 Speaker 1: It's resolved and there's no criminal, you know, time or whatever, Kelvin, 635 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: then you have a better argument. You mean to tell 636 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: me in handcuffs that Chauncey billups coach one night and 637 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: the next night he was in handcuffs, and now he 638 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: gets convicted. We're just talking about hypothetical, right, And you 639 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: still think that him being in the Hall of Fame 640 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: is cool. I don't know if that's cool anymore. 641 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 5: I'm not cool and I'm not happy. 642 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,479 Speaker 6: But I don't want to just start a slippery slope 643 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 6: where again I'm now becoming judging every single thing. 644 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 5: I'd rather that's. 645 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 4: What That's what you do is when you put people 646 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 4: in the Hall of Fame, you judge. 647 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 6: But I've already put them in. You judge them so 648 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 6: but right, but now Rob, I judge you to get in. 649 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 6: Now I'm judging you. You got in at twenty five, 650 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 6: thirty five forty five. Now I'm judging for the next 651 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 6: thirty five, forty five fifty you. 652 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 5: Know, yeah, the whole life. 653 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 4: Yes, yes you are, Yes, you are yes. 654 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: Because if somebody somebody did with somebody did a Hainus 655 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: crime Kelvin, you wouldn't have this argument. You will and 656 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: I could give you a horrible example and you wouldn't 657 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: have this feeling. You wouldn't be like, oh, well, well 658 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: we put him in and I know he just did 659 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: this and he's going to jail for for thirty years 660 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: and it was really an awful thing that happened, but 661 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: we already put him in. 662 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 6: Really really, I'm just I'm because now it's too subjective. 663 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 5: What's the line you say this? Someone else says that you. 664 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 6: Say this, Well, I say, if you got a duy 665 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 6: and you hit somebody, that should be it becomes too subjective. 666 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 6: What is the line that you would then draw? He 667 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 6: beat his wife, Well, I mean, I guess it's not 668 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 6: a big deal. It was only one time. Well, other 669 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 6: people like, oh that's domestic, but it you get what 670 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 6: I'm saying. 671 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 5: This man killed dogs. 672 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 6: No, well it's just dogs that weren't even was he 673 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 6: put in jail and conyess it dogs? 674 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 4: No, I'm talking about it. 675 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 5: I'm saying. If I'm saying if I was, that it has. 676 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: To be to me of that ILK like a conviction 677 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: that would just say that allegation. 678 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 6: And you can become convicted, and there's a lot of 679 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 6: things that would become slippery slopes if you open that 680 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 6: can of worms to the other side of that. With Chauncey, 681 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 6: if it is alleged that he was, you know, telling 682 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 6: people out the games and don't bet. Put the bet here. 683 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 6: I'm not playing him. We're taking here. Then now I'm 684 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 6: pulling you out.