1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World. In his new book 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: Right Wing Revolution, How to Beat the Woke and Save 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: the West, Turning Point USA founder and CEO Charlie Kirk 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: drags Wochism out of the shadows and details the exact 5 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: steps needed to stop its toxic spread. Wocism has already 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: seeped into every aspect of American society. Now, Charlie looks 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: to inform and prepare every reader for the coming confrontation 8 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: against one of the most existential threats the United States 9 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: has ever faced. Here to discuss his new book, I'm 10 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: really pleased to welcome my guest, Charlie Kirk. He is 11 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: the CEO of Turning Point USA and the host of 12 00:00:46,600 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: The Charlie Kirk Show. Charlie, welcome and thank you for 13 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: joining me again on New World. 14 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: Honor to be here, mister speaker. Thank you for having me. 15 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: Well. You know you've had such a huge impact in 16 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: so many different ways. I'm curious what led you to 17 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: decide to write this book. 18 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: It's a great question. In some ways, we're living through 19 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: the beginning stages of what I would hope would happen, 20 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 2: which is post COVID. We have seen two major elements 21 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: that are creating a lot of political distrust and societal 22 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: unraveling all across the Western world, which is cheap money 23 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 2: and mass migration, and those two things, when they are abused, 24 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: create almost a revolutionary impulse. And my fear, mister Speaker, 25 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 2: is that because of the lack of home ownership, because 26 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: of the lack of property ownership with our nation's youth 27 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 2: in particular, that they're going to be clamoring for a 28 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: left wing revolution at some point. However, thankfully we're seeing 29 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: in parts of France, we're seeing in parts of Germany, 30 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: parts of Netherlands, Belgium, we saw it in Argentina and 31 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 2: El Salvador, that there's actually a need or a cry 32 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: amongst the working men and women of the West to 33 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: course correct, to go back to the type of country 34 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: that we had in the late eighties and early nineties, 35 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: where home ownership was not something that was out of 36 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: grasp for most young people, where getting married and having 37 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 2: children was an achievable thing for most people in the West. 38 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: And so I talk about in this book the threat 39 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: of who the woke are, what do they believe, what 40 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: do they represent? And then I make an argument that 41 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 2: we need to as American patriots be very clear about 42 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: the type of country we want to live in, but 43 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 2: also understand that the tactics that we need to employ 44 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: some people would label as revolutionary. We are up against 45 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: a woke force. And I tell everybody what the woke is. 46 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: It's a mixture of nihilism, postmodernism, deconstructionism, and Marxism together 47 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: and the woke they're basically a group of people that 48 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 2: complain until they control. So they complain relentlessly about alleged 49 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: injustices until they control that institution. And what I argue 50 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: in the book is that they're very beatable. However, it 51 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 2: takes an attitude shift. Donald Trump helped start a lot 52 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 2: of this attitude shift in the conservative movement, and we 53 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: lay out the blueprint in the book. 54 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: You've done something pretty remarkable and creating Turning Point USA, 55 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: which is now in more than thirty five hundred high 56 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: school and college campuses in all fifty states. You had 57 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: a huge donor base of two hundred and seventy five 58 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: thousand people. It's astonishing the reach you've built. What do 59 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: you think led Turning Point USA to take off and 60 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: become such a significant organization. 61 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: Well, I'm a very religious person. So first, glory be 62 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: to God that he blessed our organization in this movement 63 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: the way he has, and so I give credit and 64 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: praise to him. Secondly, mister speaker, it was the right place, 65 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: right time. It was lightning in a bottle. We were 66 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: growing back in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, but until Donald 67 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 2: Trump came, we did not really have the impact or 68 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: the size of the infrastructure that we have now. And 69 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: to his great credit and to Don Junior's credit, they 70 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: believed in us, and we went from a small organization 71 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: to a prominent organization in a very short period of time. 72 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: And President Trump deserves a huge amount of credit and 73 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: gratitude from me because he hosted us in the White 74 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: House numerous times. He would introduce us to top donors, 75 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: he would bless the organization, and he would always see 76 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 2: the need for a robust counter youth movement from what 77 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: we were seeing on college campuses. Now, I don't want 78 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: to get too far ahead of myself, mister speaker, but 79 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: poll after poll shows that younger voters very well might 80 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 2: favor Donald Trump for the first time a Republican since 81 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eight. I mean, you've been doing this for 82 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: quite some time, mister speaker, When have we ever been 83 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: able to say that younger voters are even in contention 84 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: in the modern era. It's unthinkable. And I don't take 85 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 2: credit for that at Turning Point USA or Turning Point Action, 86 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: but I'll say that we definitely have helped play a 87 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: role in organizing and messaging and reaching tens of millions 88 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: of people on social media every single day, and we 89 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,119 Speaker 2: start to lead that trend of younger people to think 90 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 2: differently when it comes to political matters. Look how far 91 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: we've come as a movement in twelve years twelve years ago, 92 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 2: during the height of the Obama era, when I got 93 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: my plolitical start and we started Turning Point USA, it 94 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: was basically a standardized talking point that young people are liberal, 95 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 2: They're always going to be that way, and there's really 96 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,559 Speaker 2: no point in changing it. Just try to lose less. 97 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: Now we're thinking about potentially winning the youth vote again. 98 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: I don't know if that's going to happen or not, 99 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: but it's an incredible decade long journey. And so the 100 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 2: final thing I'll say is this is that the woke 101 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 2: have become the politically correct enforcers. It is not cool 102 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: to be woke. It is not socially acceptable to be woke. 103 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 2: It is actually now more cool to be rebellious. You 104 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 2: have more young social media icons like Logan Paul and 105 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: Amber Rows, people with tens of millions of followers on 106 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: social media that are embracing Donald Trump. When Donald Trump 107 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: shows up at a UFC fighting match, it's almost indecipherable 108 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 2: from a MAGA rally. And so it's lightning in a bottle, 109 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: right place, right time. And we've worked very hard of the 110 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: last twelve years to help create this movement and we 111 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: hope that we can celebrate in November a big success, 112 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: but a lot of work still yet to be done because. 113 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: Been so successful in reaching out to young people. What 114 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: would you say to the average candidate or the average 115 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: access what are the three most important messages for young Americans. 116 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 2: It's a great question, mister speaker. I'll keep it easy. 117 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: They're the three ms, and it is mortgage, mating, and marriage, 118 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 2: those three things. So I'll go one, two, three, And 119 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 2: by the way, in the nineteen nineties, when you were 120 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: a terrific speaker, young people, you never just have to 121 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: think about these three things. It was if you did 122 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: the right things, these would be in your grasp. So 123 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: let's first start with getting a mortgage when Donald Trump 124 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 2: was president and he left the presidency. According to zillo 125 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: dot com, these are not Charlie Kirks numbers at zillo 126 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: dot com. In order to buy a single family home, 127 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: the average income required to buy a single family home 128 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 2: with seventy one thousand dollars a year. Now when Joe 129 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: Biden is president, it's one hundred and twenty five thousand 130 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: dollars a year. So unless your income has gone up 131 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars a year more in the last three 132 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: and a half years, you're not able to purchase a 133 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: home in this country. That is creating a huge amount 134 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 2: of generational and political rift where candidates for office Republicans 135 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: need to be clear that I want to make it 136 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: easier for you to be able to own a home. Now. 137 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: I'm a free market capitalist, missus speaker, and I know 138 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: you are too, but I think that we need to 139 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: have a robust public policy discussion about whether or not 140 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: it's a good thing that one in four home purchases 141 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: in this country are done by investors, and a large 142 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: percentage of those investors are foreign and Chinese investors that 143 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: are coming in and scooping up single family homes. I 144 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: don't think American family should have to compete against a 145 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: Chinese billionaire who wants to buy a nine hundred thousand 146 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: dollars home in Scottsdale to rent it back to an 147 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 2: American family. I think that violates the social contract. So 148 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: that's number one. Number two marriage marriage rates are declining 149 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 2: in the West. That is less political, it's just more 150 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 2: of kind of social and cultural commentary that we need 151 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: to encourage more people to get married. And then finally, 152 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: the fertility rates, fertility rates having children. It's the lowest 153 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: it has been in American history. The number one reason 154 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 2: why married couples in the West are saying they are 155 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: not having children too expensive. And this is inflation. And 156 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: this is why inflation is a driver for why people 157 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 2: are not having children. They say groceries are too much, 158 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: childcare is too much, gasoline is too much, so on 159 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 2: and so forth. So the three ms make it easier 160 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: to get a mortgage, get married, and mating. The Democrat 161 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: Party has made it harder for those three things. In fact, 162 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 2: they're against those three things far too often, and we 163 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: are seeing in the data gen X, millennial and gen 164 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: Z voters when presented with those three issues, they vote 165 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: Republican or they tilt Republican at almost a seventy five 166 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: percent clip. 167 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: One of the places, Ien know where you have shift, 168 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: and I agree with you one hundred percent. He is 169 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: on moving towards early voting, which I think is extraordinarily important. 170 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: I've been thrilled that you've been a leader in this. 171 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 1: What would you walk folks through your own thinking, how 172 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: you got to this conclusion and what do you think 173 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: we should be doing about it? 174 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an entire chapter of our book, chapter where 175 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: I tell the story, mister speaker of I was a 176 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: believer in a once correct but now outdated belief that 177 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: everybody should vote on election day, and that's a great ideal. 178 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 2: I don't think we should ever lose that ideal, but 179 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: it is far from a reality, and that will result 180 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 2: in us being displaced from power. In twenty twenty, we 181 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: fell forty one thousand vote short, and we did not 182 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 2: really embrace mail in voting at all, and there were 183 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: a lot of problems with that election, a lot of problems. 184 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: We did not do a good enough job. And by we, 185 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: I mean me, especially adjusting twenty twenty to twenty twenty two. 186 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 2: And one of the reasons why it was the red 187 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: wave that never happened and it was like a red sizzle, 188 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 2: was that the Democrats were able to use their apparatus 189 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 2: to chase ballots, register voters, harvest ballots, and engage in 190 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: voting month, where we were just engaging in voting day. 191 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: So we have twelve hours to vote, they have thirty 192 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: five days to vote and to collect ballots. And so 193 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: it was with the Carry Lake Governor's race in Arizona, 194 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: I think Kerry Lake should be governor of Arizona if 195 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: we would have done a better job, and Carrie Lake 196 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 2: hopefully will become a Senator. I went to my voting 197 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 2: location on voting day in Scottsdale, Arizona. I live in Arizona, 198 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 2: and I went to vote and it was a two 199 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 2: hour waiting line, and there were machine tabulation failures. There 200 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: was all sorts of issues. I thought to myself, what 201 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: if these people would have voted early, we would have 202 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 2: no lines. The turnout issue would have been completely different. 203 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 2: So that's the first element, and so out of that 204 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 2: drove necessity for change. In January of twenty twenty three, 205 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 2: mister Speaker, Nearly a year and a half ago, when 206 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 2: we saw that Trump was going to be the nominee, 207 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 2: we made a prediction. We said, We're not going to 208 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 2: involve ourselves in the primary very much. Instead, we are 209 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: going to build America's first and biggest and largest ballot 210 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: chasing army, where we are going to have the first 211 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: of its kind of the conservative movement that will go 212 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 2: out and build relationships, register voters, and chase ballots. Ballot 213 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 2: chasing it's not ballot harvesting because it's not legal in Arizona, 214 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 2: Wisconsin or Georgia, but it is building relationships with people 215 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: months and months ahead of time, getting them on the 216 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: voting roll, and encourage them to vote an early voting month. Specifically, 217 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: by the way, low propensity voters not exactly four out 218 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 2: of four voters, but you're one out of four, even 219 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: you're zero out of four voters. So these are net 220 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: new voters. So we have hundreds of full time people 221 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 2: right now on the ground doing this work in Arizona, Wisconsin. 222 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 2: I will say the numbers are already speaking for itself. 223 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty in Arizona, Republicans enjoyed a one hundred 224 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 2: and ten thousand voter registration advantage over Democrats. That's one 225 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: hundred and ten thousand more registered Republicans than Democrats. Now, 226 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: four years later, there are two hundred and forty thousand 227 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 2: more registered Republicans than Democrats in the state of Arizona, 228 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: a new increase of one hundred and thirty thousand. So 229 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 2: Arizona is getting redder, not bluer. Now I'm not taking 230 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 2: only credit for that, but we do have hundreds of 231 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 2: people in the streets registering voters every day, which is 232 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 2: obviously playing a big difference, registering thousands and thousands and 233 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: tens of thousands of new voters. Now, one final thing 234 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: I'll say, mister speaker, and it is a cautionary tale. 235 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: And I hope you'll bring this message on all of 236 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: your interviews because you have a very, very big following. 237 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 2: The best news of the twenty twenty four election is 238 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 2: also the most dangerous news for the first time in 239 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 2: my lifetime, in your lifetime. The less likely you are 240 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 2: to vote, the more likely you are to support the 241 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 2: Republican candidate Donald Trump. The lower propensity you are, the 242 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: more likely you are to vote. That is amazing news, 243 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 2: but it's also terrifying. That means that we might win 244 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 2: the public debate, we might actually win a majority, But 245 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: if that does not materialize into ballots in boxes and 246 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: voting centers, then we're actually going to underperform the polls. 247 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 2: We do not yet have an apparatus in the Republican Party, 248 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 2: and we're trying to build it very quickly to capitalize 249 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 2: and translate low propensity energy into election day results. So 250 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 2: I'll throw it back to you, mister speaker. I could 251 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 2: talk about this topic all day long. We're in the 252 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 2: weeds of it and we're in complete agreement. 253 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: This is a very important transition. I was delighted when 254 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: President Trump adopted your message and began talking about early voting, 255 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: and it's exactly what you said. We are right at 256 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: the edge of a Trump coalition replacing the Roosevelt coalition 257 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: for the first time since nineteen thirty two. I mean, 258 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 1: it's an amazing moment of history if it happens, and 259 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: it will only happen if people vote, and you're exactly 260 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: on target. But let me ask you, though in your 261 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: book you advocate for a right wing revolution, something which 262 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: having been part of the Reagan Revolution and then done 263 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: my part in nineteen ninety four with the Contract I 264 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: believe in. But I think it's helpful to explain to 265 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: people what kind of revolution you're describing and why that's 266 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: the right language for the mess we're in. 267 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And actually the Reagan Revolution and the Contract 268 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 2: for America largely inspired the language choice for this. And 269 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 2: I want to be very clear when I say revolution, 270 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: I'm not talking about a French revolution or Russian revolution. 271 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 2: That's what my critics say. I mean, that's self evident 272 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: for anyone that follows my work, But I think it's 273 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 2: an appropriate term because we're seeing a change in the 274 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: status quo. It is a recentering of the country, and 275 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 2: it becomes with a couple non negotiable, irrefutable political principles, 276 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: which is, we are not going to put up with 277 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 2: rising crime and defunding the police. That's number one. We're 278 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 2: going to build a coalition that does not put up 279 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 2: with that. Number two, we believe in the parent adult 280 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: child distinction, that we're not going to allow our children 281 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: to be preyed upon in our school system, and that 282 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 2: we are not going to allow this graphic curriculum that 283 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: transcends income and racial lines. And the third and fourth 284 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 2: element of this, which I think is very important, it 285 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 2: plays consistent with Donald Trump's message of America. First, is 286 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: that we want leaders that care much more about the 287 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: well being of the forgotten man and woman of this 288 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: nation than some sort of ideological abstraction that some central 289 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: planner in DC or some bureaucrat might be floating. So 290 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 2: the revolution is really very similar. It harmonizes with that 291 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 2: of the nineteen eighties or nineteen nineties. I'll go back 292 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 2: to how I started. It is a rejection and a 293 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 2: repudiation of mass migration and cheap money. Otherwise saying that 294 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 2: immigration and inflation the two eyes which are polling at 295 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: the top levels of the top issues in concern to 296 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four election, they must be soundly rejected 297 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 2: and then reformed. And so the north star of the 298 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: revolutionary movement that we talk about here in right wing 299 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 2: revolution is that step one, we must defeat the people 300 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 2: that have done this, which is the woke the Marxists. 301 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 2: And then number two, we must build a country that 302 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 2: we can all recognize. I would actually love a country, 303 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 2: mister speaker, that I grew up in where politics was 304 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: not the most important thing all the time, where you 305 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: could have a Democrat neighbor and you could go to 306 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 2: dinner with that person. I missed that country. I mean 307 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: that sincerely. This book is not a hyper partisan book 308 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 2: in the way that people might think, where we want 309 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 2: to salt the earth with our enemies, as some people 310 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: on the left would say. No, Instead, we want to 311 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 2: get back to a decent and ordinary America where the 312 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 2: radical fringes of the left are put back into San 313 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: Francisco and New York where they belong, and they're no 314 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 2: longer within all of our institutions. So I think that 315 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 2: answers your question mainly and mostly. But the West will 316 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 2: not be saved by its own It's going to take 317 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: decisive action from millions of patriots across the country. 318 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: If you have a fascinating phrase, you say that the 319 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: political battle in America isn't just a battle over policy, 320 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: but it's an advertising battle. Walk us through what you 321 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: mean by it. 322 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 2: I talked about this in great detail in the book, 323 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,239 Speaker 2: which is that if it was just a policy discussion, 324 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 2: we would win every single election. Our policies are better, 325 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 2: and we know that by the way, based on the 326 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: movement of people in the States. People are leaving California, 327 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: people are leaving Illinois. They're going to Arizona, they're going 328 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: to Texas, they're going to Florida. However, in the policy debate, 329 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 2: it becomes an advertising campaign, and Democrats are just better 330 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 2: at this. They run Hollywood, they run the social media campaigns, 331 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 2: and we are starting to get better at this as conservatives. 332 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: We're becoming far more competitive on social media. We're becoming 333 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 2: far more competitive on digital media. And the advertising campaign 334 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 2: that the Democrats have launched is one that is starting 335 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,719 Speaker 2: to wane in its effect. And this is why they 336 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 2: hate Donald Trump. Is there anybody better at marketing or 337 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 2: advertising in the modern era than Donald Trump? Of course not. 338 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: His message penetrates communities that have never heard it before. 339 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 2: He's building a new coalition, and so we talk about 340 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: this in the book in a couple instances. They hate 341 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 2: Donald Trump because he has brought mass marketing media to 342 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: the Republican Party that otherwise we are never able to 343 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: do that. And this is why you're seeing this new multiracial, 344 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 2: multi generational coalition being built of Blacks, Hispanics, white working 345 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 2: class Asians that Republicans never would have stood a chance 346 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 2: to do that. The worry and the concern though, is 347 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 2: that we might actually be losing some higher propensity voters 348 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 2: in the baby boomer demographics. So we have to do 349 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 2: a little bit better in those demographics, and we talk 350 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 2: about that in the book as well. If we're able 351 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: to do a little bit better with baby boomers than 352 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: polling suggests and run up the score in the rural 353 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 2: parts of the country as well as build this new 354 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 2: coalition that is, as you say, had a new Roosevelt 355 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: coalition that could put the Democrat Party extinct almost permanently. 356 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: What do you think has to be done to win 357 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: back or to reassure the more higher propensity voters who 358 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,719 Speaker 1: are currently worried about Trump. 359 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 2: It's a great question. I'm sure you see it in 360 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: the polling too. I get a lot of hate mail 361 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 2: on my radio show because whenever I say baby boomers, 362 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 2: they think I'm insulting all baby boomers. I'm not. There 363 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 2: are some very wonderful baby boomers out there. Here's my 364 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 2: current hypothesis, mister speaker, and I'd love your thoughts on it. 365 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 2: It's that baby boomer senior citizen voters, time and time 366 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 2: again will vote for the status quo. They do not 367 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 2: necessarily want upheaval or revolutionary change. They want to vote 368 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 2: for a small sea conservative option. The way that Joe 369 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:48,239 Speaker 2: Biden is presenting himself and the propaganda television advertisements is 370 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 2: actually as a small sea conservative vote for me. I'll 371 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 2: keep everything the same, I'm not going to have upheaval. 372 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: And Donald Trump he's the guy that's going to change everything, 373 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 2: and he's the chaos candidate. And so my opinionion is 374 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 2: that the way to win them back is to demonstrate 375 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 2: that Joe Biden is the chaos candidate, that Donald Trump 376 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: is actually stability of no new wars and stopping the invasion. 377 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 2: And we see this in some of the polling where 378 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 2: older voters who are higher propensity, their concerns of Trump 379 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 2: is that he's not presidential. He's always full of drama. 380 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 2: You've heard it many many times. And so we need 381 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 2: to now play offense and show that the border is 382 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 2: obviously not secure and that is full of upheaval. When 383 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 2: I am around our core turning point group of students 384 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: are eight thousand in Detroit that we have. They want upheaval, 385 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 2: they think the country's not working for them, They want 386 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 2: change in DC. They want to drain the swamp. When 387 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 2: I speak at the villages, for example, which I love 388 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 2: the villages, it's a different message. They want calmness and 389 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 2: serenity and they want predictability. And so I think we 390 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 2: must understand that Biden's messaging has been, of course deceitful 391 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: and treacherous, but he's trying to make himself seem as 392 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 2: a small c conservative camp and Donald Trump is the upheaval. 393 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 2: You are not going to change a seventy five year 394 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 2: old individual's view of the world. They're not going to 395 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 2: want revolutionary change. They want their social security, protective medicare protected, understandably, 396 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: but also we must make Donald Trump seem as the 397 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 2: stable candid, which he is, and Joe Biden as the 398 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 2: frenetic one. 399 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: Don't you think to some extent Biden's cognitive decline, we 400 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: can see him even with that group, because I mean, 401 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: they see people who go through this kind of decline, 402 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: So I think they see it as a human thing, 403 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: not just a political thing. At least I get that 404 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: impression that there are a lot of people who to say, 405 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, I think the last number I saw, sixty 406 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: seven percent of the country doesn't think he could possibly 407 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: make it through four more years those people. 408 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 2: I don't know if you can make it through four 409 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 2: more months at the rate he's going right now, I 410 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 2: don't know. I've seen mixed opinions on this. I think 411 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 2: it's important the way we talk about it. If you 412 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 2: want to win higher propensity older voters, we can't be 413 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 2: cruel about it. I think that's very important because there 414 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 2: very well might be a concern that some of those 415 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 2: individuals might one day have to deal with that issue. 416 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 2: And it's understandable. It's a sad state of affairs. But 417 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 2: if we don't solve our higher propensity problem a little bit, 418 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 2: I'm afraid we're not going to have enough low propensity 419 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: to be able to turn out. That's my biggest concern. 420 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 2: And I see it reflected in the polling. According to 421 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,239 Speaker 2: the Fox News poll, and I think it was kind 422 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 2: of a bad poll, to be honest. There were some 423 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: numbers that made no sense. For example, they had Joe 424 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 2: Biden winning rural voters. That's not going to happen, okay, 425 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 2: Joe Biden's not going to win the rural vote in 426 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 2: this country. But it showed that Donald Trump was performing 427 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 2: seventeen points worse with baby boomer voters than he did 428 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. Now there's a lot of time to 429 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 2: make up with that. I think the convention is going 430 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 2: to help a lot. And here's the good news. Baby 431 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 2: boomers are the easiest to bring home back into the 432 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 2: Republican Donald Trump column of any voters at your disposal. Amazingly, 433 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 2: younger voters and black voters and Hispanics are the hardest 434 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 2: of all of them that are able to do it. 435 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 2: And finally, I think there is some skepticism and on 436 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 2: these amongst some baby boomer voters that Donald Trump being 437 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 2: a convicted felon. I think we have to navigate that, 438 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 2: mister speaker. We can't dismiss it. When I deal with 439 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 2: younger voters, they couldn't care less, you know what. They say, 440 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: I want to be able to own a home. Give 441 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 2: me the felon. It's not even a thing. An eighty 442 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 2: year old voter might say, Oh, well, you know, I 443 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 2: was raised in a country where if you're a fellow, 444 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 2: that's a big deal, and i'd love your thoughts on that. 445 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 2: I don't know how quite yet to navigate that, To 446 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 2: be perfectly honest, my. 447 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: Basic approach is to say there was a fake conviction, 448 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 1: just as there's fake news, and that if I thought 449 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: he was a genuine fellon, I'd be bothered. It was 450 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: a fully rigged jury if you looked at the judges instructions. 451 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: A good friend of mine, who is a very good 452 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: lawyer and a very hardcore Trump person, said to me, 453 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: if I'd been serving on the jury and the judge 454 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: gave me those instructions, by definition, I would have voted 455 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: guilty because the instructions basically set it up so that 456 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: there was no way to get out of it except 457 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: to say he's guilty. I think the entire process, you've 458 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: had this absurdity that the Appeals Court in New York 459 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: is upheld an open ended gag order. So the Biden 460 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: campaign gets to run commercials attacking Trump as a felon. 461 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: Biden gets to run around the country describing him as 462 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: a fela. But Trump has a gag order. Now how's 463 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: he going to go into a debate? Is he going 464 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: to sit there and think, ge am I allowed to 465 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 1: say this or not say this? This is insanity. So 466 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: my basic position with most people is you have never 467 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: seen a presidential candidate nominee of a party former president 468 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: who has been under this kind of assault, and you've 469 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: got to decide are you comfortable living in a country 470 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: where they could do it to you? Because if they 471 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: can do it to a billionaire former president, they can 472 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: do it to you. And if you don't have to 473 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: do it to you, you'd better stop them from doing 474 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: it to him. That's my basic I mean, I find 475 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: most people, once you put it in context, most people 476 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: think that this whole thing is wrong. We the people, 477 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: get to decide who the president is, not the judges 478 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: and the lawyers. You've raised an important point. I do 479 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: think we tend to forget, and I say, this is 480 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: somebody who obviously is substantially older than most of your members. 481 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: Different generations and different age groups have different rhythms and 482 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: different approaches. So you get much more risk taking among 483 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: the young, you get much more caution among the older. 484 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: You've got to think through getting messages organized in a 485 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: way that both groups can be comfortable. And that's one 486 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: of the challenges for Trump right now. 487 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 2: He's actually doing better with the community that Republicans have 488 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 2: always failed with, and now we might have to adjust 489 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 2: a little bit and play into that caution. And that's 490 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 2: where the VP selection comes in. That's where that whole 491 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 2: conversation I think matters. But again, in some ways, usually 492 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 2: the Republican race usually goes you have a base of 493 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 2: the cautionary voters and you try to win over the younger. 494 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 2: And now it's the opposite. I've never seen a campaign 495 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 2: like it. Maybe you have, mister speaker, I've never seen 496 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: that where in the final months you're trying to go 497 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 2: back into the pickleball courts and bingo knights and senior 498 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 2: citizen centers and try to shore them up. 499 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: It's true on both sides. You have Joe Biden spending 500 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: a lot of time in the black community because he's 501 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 1: trying to rebuild his base, and you have Trump having 502 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: to think a little bit about reaching out to older 503 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: Americans who are normally the Republican base. But that's part 504 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: of the turmoil of what we are. I'm probably biased 505 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: because I was involved as a junior congressman in the 506 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: Reagan campaign in nineteen eighty and it was a very 507 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: very close election until two weeks before the election, but 508 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: the race looked very close, and they had one debate, 509 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: only one debate all year. Carter lied, I think more 510 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: cleverly than Biden. But Carter lied pretty endlessly. Reagan came 511 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: up and I'll be interesting to see if Trump can 512 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: do something like this. But Reagan came up with a 513 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: very simple there you go again, which he could say 514 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: almost smiling. I mean, he wasn't hostile, he wasn't engaging, 515 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: and I hope that it's very important for Trump not 516 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 1: to get sucked into some kind of barroom brawl with Biden. 517 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: So the country looked up and they thought, you know, 518 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: Reagan's not scary. That was the key, because they tried 519 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: to scare you can't give this guy nuclear weapons. I mean, 520 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: you know, he's a movie actor who made movies with chimpanzees. 521 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: What are you crazy? So the minute the country decided 522 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: Reagan wasn't dangerous, the question became can I stand four 523 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 1: more years of Carter? I think the problem for Biden 524 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: in debating Trump and buying advertising no matter what, is 525 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: when it's over, people go back to the grocery store 526 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: and they walk in the grocery store and they go, 527 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: I could not afford four more years of this, and 528 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: they can't buy enough advertising to convince them that it's okay. 529 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: I think that's why nan Biden has an almost impossible job. 530 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 2: I totally agree. And if Trump runs the type of 531 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 2: race that I think he will, and Trump is a 532 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 2: great finisher, this is a very important thing. In twenty twenty, 533 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 2: Donald Trump closed almost a ten point polling gap in 534 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 2: a three week period. In twenty sixteen, he did the 535 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 2: same thing that guy locks in like a heat seeking 536 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 2: missile from like October first to election day and he finishes. 537 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 2: And you might remember in twenty twenty he did something 538 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 2: like forty eight rallies in twenty five days. I mean, 539 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 2: it's an unheard of herculean f who's full media dominance. 540 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,959 Speaker 2: If we want to get out low prop voters, if 541 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 2: we want to win over baby boomers, Trump in that 542 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 2: last thirty days, I can say this, he will finish 543 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 2: better than by as long as we're within the margin 544 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 2: of error, which we are, and we do the work 545 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 2: in register voters. He locks in those last thirty days, 546 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 2: and he plays his best ball when the pressure is on. 547 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's really important to remember that a high 548 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: propensity voter is somebody who has the habit of going 549 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: out and voting. Usually somebody who's better educated, has a 550 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: somewhat higher income, and historically for the last seventy to 551 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: eighty years, Republicans have had more of people who are 552 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 1: likely to automatically go vote. On the other hand, a 553 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: low propensity voter is somebody who doesn't vote all that 554 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: often and has to be motivated or organized to out 555 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: and vote. Historically, in the Roosevelt coalition, those were Democrats. 556 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: One of the great transitions of the last ten years 557 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: is that more of the high propensity likely to vote 558 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: people have sort of drifted away from the Republican Party 559 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: towards the Democrats, and many, many more of the low 560 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: propensity on likely to vote people have drifted away from 561 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: the Democrats towards the Republicans. So it's a fascinating question 562 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: about whether the appeal of Trump personally and the organizational 563 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: ability that Trump is putting together can get folks who 564 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: normally don't vote to show up and vote well. At 565 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: the same time, can Trump in fact reach out and 566 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: appeal to a little bit more of the folks who 567 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: normally do vote, the high propensity voters. And on those 568 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: two questions, I think ultimately the election will swing. I 569 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: didn't realize until we're getting ready to chat today that 570 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,479 Speaker 1: you were the youngest speaker at the Republican National Convention 571 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. That was quite an honor, and you 572 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: were the opening speaker in twenty twenty. I have a 573 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: hunch we're probably going to hear you again this year. 574 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 2: Nothing's confirmed yet, but we'll see what happens. 575 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: I'm in the same vote, but I have a hunch 576 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to see you in Milwaukee. 577 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 2: I think, so, we'll see. 578 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: That's great, Listen, Charlie, I want to thank you for 579 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: joining me. You have been an extraordinary leader in building 580 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: Turning Point USI I mean it's really people who do 581 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: aren't familiar with that. You really look as an amazing organization. 582 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: Your new book, right Wing Revolution, how to Beat the 583 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: Woke and Save the West is available now on Amazon 584 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: and in bookstores everywhere. And I want to let our 585 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: listeners know they can find out more about your organization, 586 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: Turning Point USA by visiting your website at TPUSA dot com. 587 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: And I really appreciate you taking the time to be 588 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: with us. 589 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 2: Thanks so much, mister speaker, Thank you. 590 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest Charlie Kirk. 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