Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: It's a little over a week into the new year,
Speaker 1: but I'm still taking stock of the last year and
Speaker 1: thinking about what I'll do differently for twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Like I said in the last episode, I'm not big
Speaker 1: on New Year's resolutions, but I do like to think
Speaker 1: about how to improve my life and how to move
Speaker 1: forward and be better, just have a better year than
Speaker 1: I did the last year. I had a really mixed
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, Like I think a lot of people.
Speaker 1: My book Stolen Youth came out in March, and honestly,
Speaker 1: it was a hit. My co author and I made
Speaker 1: multiple bestseller lists. We were all over TV and radio.
Speaker 1: I toured all over the country for months, and I
Speaker 1: spoke to so many groups, did so many different events.
Speaker 1: It really went well. That same month that the book
Speaker 1: came out, we had about Mitzvah for our daughter. About
Speaker 1: Mitzvah is a Jewish rite of passage. It's a religious
Speaker 1: ceremony that commemorates the child becoming a grown up, and
Speaker 1: it usually comes with a party about the size of
Speaker 1: a wedding. Actually it was about three times the size
Speaker 1: of my own wedding, and it was quite a lot.
Speaker 1: It was amazing. It all went really great. But the
Speaker 1: book and the butt Mitzvah, they were beautiful, amazing, but
Speaker 1: extremely stressful, and it was a stressful time in the
Speaker 1: last year that I still haven't quite gotten over. Then
Speaker 1: we launched this podcast in October. I had had offers
Speaker 1: to do my own show over the years, but I
Speaker 1: really never entertained one until this. And look, it's going great.
Speaker 1: So many of you are out there listening. I hear
Speaker 1: from you, and I feel so lucky. I'm busy all
Speaker 1: the time, and it's a good busy, but it's still
Speaker 1: quite a lot. I had eye surgery in May that
Speaker 1: forced me to take a few weeks off, but otherwise
Speaker 1: I have never worked more in my life than I
Speaker 1: did in twenty twenty three. In a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: it was a very very good year. But the truth
Speaker 1: is that all of that stressed me out, and I
Speaker 1: didn't sleep that great for a lot of it. I'm
Speaker 1: not an anxious person. I'm very chill, but i'd feel
Speaker 1: this anxiety in my sleep about all the things that
Speaker 1: I needed to get done, and there was no real
Speaker 1: reason for the stress like I'd wake up in the
Speaker 1: morning after a night of stressing about something and think
Speaker 1: that's a really silly thing to be worrying about, and
Speaker 1: I'd shake it off and I'd go on about my day.
Speaker 1: You Know something I think about a lot is that
Speaker 1: when I was at the lowest points of my life,
Speaker 1: like when I was unemployed and single and had a
Speaker 1: whole lot of nothing going on, I was sleeping super
Speaker 1: well and I didn't worry about anything. I didn't have
Speaker 1: anything to lose. So then the October seventh attacks happened
Speaker 1: in Israel, and my sleeplessness and stress they take on
Speaker 1: a more specific focus. The attacks really rocked my world,
Speaker 1: as I think they did for a lot of Jews,
Speaker 1: you know, around the world. Beyond the horrific images and stories,
Speaker 1: I'd spend a lot of night thinking about how to
Speaker 1: raise Jewish children in a world where so much hate
Speaker 1: is aimed at them. And I go back and forth
Speaker 1: between wanting to build a fortress around them and wanting
Speaker 1: them to go out into the world and be themselves
Speaker 1: with pride and no fear. In side note, I learned
Speaker 1: to shoot this year. I'm an optimistic person, but I'm
Speaker 1: not a foolish one. My people have been unarmed sitting
Speaker 1: ducks too many times throughout our history. Not us, not
Speaker 1: this time. I say all this because it's possible to
Speaker 1: have a universe of good, very good really exist alongside
Speaker 1: a lot of bad. Life just isn't one way or another.
Speaker 1: We're all carrying a lot of stuff around with us.
Speaker 1: For twenty twenty four. I know the things I need
Speaker 1: to do to comfort myself and calm myself when I
Speaker 1: get to dark places. For me, for one thing, it's
Speaker 1: unplugging from Twitter first and foremost. And look again, nothing
Speaker 1: is all good or all bad. I love Twitter. I
Speaker 1: get a lot out of it. I've met a lot
Speaker 1: of friends through it, see it as my social since
Speaker 1: I work from home. But I get to where I'm
Speaker 1: on it way too much, consuming way too much news
Speaker 1: and minutia, And I used to have arguments on there,
Speaker 1: but I don't even really do that anymore. It's just
Speaker 1: the amount of information becomes too much and it's time
Speaker 1: for a break. So I take vacations where I unplug
Speaker 1: from Twitter and I spend more focused time with my family.
Speaker 1: And this gives me such a sense of calm. Does
Speaker 1: that mean I never yell at my kids, like no,
Speaker 1: I yell quite a bit. But being together, cooking, watching movies,
Speaker 1: all of that it leads to a really great feeling
Speaker 1: of calm and togetherness that helps me sleep better. The
Speaker 1: last thing for me is reading fiction. I go through
Speaker 1: years without reading any fiction because my world is really
Speaker 1: a world of nonfiction. I'm into the political world and
Speaker 1: into social and cultural issues, and this is all the
Speaker 1: nonfiction space. But when I don't read fiction for a
Speaker 1: long time, for me, it's a mistake. Nonfiction books are great.
Speaker 1: I love learning new stuff. I love not fiction also,
Speaker 1: but the weaving of a beautiful story, immersing myself in
Speaker 1: someone else's life for a while, it's so good for me.
Speaker 1: I read two books overbreak and they were just fantastic.
Speaker 1: I forgot the writer's names, but one was called The
Speaker 1: Family and one was called City of Thieves. They were
Speaker 1: both recommended to me by my Twitter followers, and I
Speaker 1: really love them. Both books were fantastic, City of Thieves particularly.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be thinking about that one for a
Speaker 1: long time. I hope that in twenty twenty four we
Speaker 1: all can balance the good and the bad and focus
Speaker 1: on what brings us happiness and calm. That's my wish
Speaker 1: for all of you, and that's my wish for myself too.
Speaker 1: Coming up next an interview with Emily's Nati. Join us
Speaker 1: after the break, Hi, and welcome back to the Carol
Speaker 1: Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My guest today is Emily's Nati.
Speaker 1: Emily is a writer and her substack is called because Ovs.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for coming on, Emily.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: So there's been this phenomenon on social media of dinks,
Speaker 1: which means a couple who is dual income, no kids,
Speaker 1: and the pushback to that has been people commenting that
Speaker 1: these people will be unfulfilled or alone as they age.
Speaker 1: And I saw a tweet of yours where you had
Speaker 1: some thoughts on that, and I was like, Oh, I
Speaker 1: have to have Emily on to talk about it because
Speaker 1: I thought it was unique. Tell me your thoughts.
Speaker 2: So my thoughts were, well, first off, the dank thing.
Speaker 2: This isn't to say it about all double income no
Speaker 2: kids families. These are like, specifically the ones that are
Speaker 2: on TikTok in what feels like a gigantick coat.
Speaker 1: Right, it's a great way to phrase it.
Speaker 2: My life is so amazing because my kids don't wake
Speaker 2: me up at nine am, and I can have all
Speaker 2: this money and I go eat fancy dinners and all
Speaker 2: these things that I still do with children, that right
Speaker 2: here saying I was never supposed to be able to do.
Speaker 2: But my thought was, and sort of over the last year,
Speaker 2: I've had a lot of experience with death, and I
Speaker 2: kind of felt like, look, if all you're doing to
Speaker 2: be fulfilled at the end of your life is making
Speaker 2: people that are required to be there, that's not really
Speaker 2: being fulfilled. Like, there's plenty of people who have kids
Speaker 2: whose kids will not be there and they're dead, And
Speaker 2: there's certainly plenty of people who don't have kids who
Speaker 2: will be surrounded by love and all love this wonderful
Speaker 2: stuff as they exit this life. And so for me,
Speaker 2: I just felt like people were saying that the only
Speaker 2: way to have a good life or to have a
Speaker 2: good death was to have children, and you just need
Speaker 2: to have a good life really, not not necessarily just kids.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm not having kids to be like there for
Speaker 1: me when I'm bored in my older age. I fully
Speaker 1: agree with that. I'm obviously very pro having children, but
Speaker 1: the idea that they fulfill you or will be your
Speaker 1: companions as you get old. Rubs me the wrong way.
Speaker 1: I know very fulfilled and happy people without kids, and
Speaker 1: I know miserable parents. I also don't like the whole
Speaker 1: making kids your whole life. You want to have a
Speaker 1: life when they grow up too, And the thing is
Speaker 1: that I want my kids to go out into the
Speaker 1: world and have their own lives and not, you know,
Speaker 1: not be my like little caretaker as they get you know,
Speaker 1: as I get older. So I really loved that you
Speaker 1: mentioned that about a year ago you had a traumatic
Speaker 1: near death experience. What happened and what's changed in your
Speaker 1: life since then.
Speaker 2: So I had I had one of those Chicago MD
Speaker 2: or Chicago ER kind of like should be a primetime
Speaker 2: television special, and I went to the emergency room for
Speaker 2: what I thought was food poisoning and it ended in Chicago,
Speaker 2: well in Nashville here, you know, Nashville.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, but I get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I watched Chicago MED so that was what
Speaker 2: was in my But it was one of those where
Speaker 2: I went to the ar thinking I was having food
Speaker 2: poisoning and I ended up having a ruptured topic pregnancy
Speaker 2: and was rushed into emergency surgery. And had to get blood,
Speaker 2: and at one point they actually called priest. They said,
Speaker 2: are you Catholic? Are you Christian? Do you have some
Speaker 2: belief system so that we can call somebody in case
Speaker 2: things don't go the way they are, so they can
Speaker 2: give you last row. And I was not in a
Speaker 2: position to say yes, because I thought everything was still
Speaker 2: fine and dandy. And my husband was like, oh my god, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: priest in here, and so that kind of gave me
Speaker 2: a different perspective. I woke up the next morning thinking
Speaker 2: what have I done with my life? What does it
Speaker 2: look like? What am I doing with my life? What
Speaker 2: is my job right now? And how do I change
Speaker 2: that and make it better so that I wake up
Speaker 2: in the morning and I feel like I'm fulfilled, and
Speaker 2: I feel like if I do get hit by a
Speaker 2: bus or a bike messenger, which is right, I always
Speaker 2: thought I was going to die when I lived in.
Speaker 3: The city, Like what if I do, Yeah, people show
Speaker 3: up at my funeral and Hilde actually miss me.
Speaker 2: So it did change my perspective quart of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think about that a lot, not just the
Speaker 1: bike messenger part, but you know, the spending your time
Speaker 1: here in a way that is you know you're not
Speaker 1: going to regret anything when you go, and that you
Speaker 1: know that we do only have so much time here,
Speaker 1: which I guess leads me to a question that I
Speaker 1: always ask people is do you feel like you've made it?
Speaker 1: Especially after what's happened to you.
Speaker 2: I don't think I ever will fill that I've made it.
Speaker 2: I had a crazy imposter syndrome, and I'm amerd or
Speaker 2: I'll tell you I'm a writer, but I've had all
Speaker 2: these bylines, so I actually have a crazy imposter syndrome.
Speaker 2: So I don't think I will ever feel like I've
Speaker 2: made it, but I did in that conversation about the
Speaker 2: Dinks when I was talking about I feel like if
Speaker 2: my kids can make it, If my kids get to
Speaker 2: the point in their lives for they are successful enough
Speaker 2: to afford therapy for all the things I've done to
Speaker 2: them up until that point, that is when I think
Speaker 2: I will feel like I will have been successful in
Speaker 2: my life, and then I can, like one my husband
Speaker 2: and I moved to Marguerite Deville and play pickleball and
Speaker 2: collect ceramic cats or whatever I want to do. You
Speaker 2: love it like twenty years of my life, you know,
Speaker 2: But that's when I feel like I'll have made it,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: How would you define imposter syndrome for people who might
Speaker 1: not know what that means? I know very well what
Speaker 1: that means, because I think there's not a writer out
Speaker 1: there who doesn't suffer from it. But how do you
Speaker 1: describe it?
Speaker 2: It's sort of of this feeling that all the success
Speaker 2: that you've had, all of the things that you've done
Speaker 2: in your life that look good on paper, that really
Speaker 2: everybody's just been fooled, that you're you're so incredibly good
Speaker 2: at fooling everybody, and one day this house of cards
Speaker 2: is just going to come down around you, and people
Speaker 2: are going to see you for the loser and the
Speaker 2: faker in reality, Like if I truly was able to
Speaker 2: fake all of that to write a point.
Speaker 1: Like the most successful ever, you'd be like, they're just
Speaker 1: a billionaire running like your own you know, evil layer
Speaker 1: And yeah.
Speaker 2: But you know, it doesn't change that. I wake up
Speaker 2: in the morning and I'm like, who am I? Why
Speaker 2: do people care that they know my name when they
Speaker 2: see me out somewhere? But yeah, you just basically recognized.
Speaker 1: Do you get recognized lot? Like do you live a
Speaker 1: public life?
Speaker 2: My kids get recognized all the time, and now that's
Speaker 2: also recognized. I seen you on the internet. They're like,
Speaker 2: I've seen that kid on the internet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's definitely. I feel like i'd recognize your kids
Speaker 1: if I saw them, for sure, I would do you.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny that you say the therapy thing,
Speaker 1: because I feel like parents usually feel like they're not
Speaker 1: making any mistakes, Like I can't even imagine what my
Speaker 1: kids would tell the therapist, like she was a perfect mom,
Speaker 1: Like it could not be better a plus, you know.
Speaker 1: So I think it's so funny that you like, uh,
Speaker 1: imposter syndrome your parenting. Maybe because your kids seem very
Speaker 1: very happy, and you know, I bet that they would
Speaker 1: say quite nice things about you to the therapist MP or.
Speaker 2: Maybe I've done something that I don't know, you know,
Speaker 2: like somewhere along the line they're going to say, you know,
Speaker 2: she put she put this one thing that we did
Speaker 2: on the internet and everyone thought it was so cute,
Speaker 2: but it was really super embarrassing. So now she's ruined
Speaker 2: my life. And now I teach yoga.
Speaker 1: I'm aving by the river, not yoga yoga. I'm terrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you never know, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, I mean, you don't ever know. I I
Speaker 1: do think about, like, what are my kids going to
Speaker 1: complain about? Like, because you know, compared to like my childhood,
Speaker 1: they seem to be having just this like amazing life,
Speaker 1: and I you know, I can't even imagine what they
Speaker 1: have that they're going to hold against me. I'm sure
Speaker 1: they're going to find something.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I'm not naive. I just always
Speaker 1: wonder like, oh, what's it going to be? What is
Speaker 1: it going to be? Did I give them too much?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Oh, she just loved us too much.
Speaker 2: She was constantly loving us too much. She kept telling
Speaker 2: me she loved.
Speaker 1: Me right, and like anybody notes how embarrassing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. She she cooked with us, She taught us
Speaker 2: how to cook, She taught function as adults. Why didn't
Speaker 2: she have a child. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: They're gonna be like years from now, they're gonna be
Speaker 2: like all my friends got xboxes at age six, and
Speaker 2: I was being told to go outside.
Speaker 1: That's true, they might say that, but like I'm ready
Speaker 1: to defend that stance. You know, yes, you're not getting
Speaker 1: the xbox at age six, so you you moved to Nashville.
Speaker 1: But you moved I want to say before the pandemic.
Speaker 2: Right, it was just after the pandemic.
Speaker 1: Oh, it was just after the pandemic. Okay, so you
Speaker 1: were part of the great migration. How's it been.
Speaker 2: It's been amazing, so amazing that we actually purchased a
Speaker 2: house here. We didn't think that we love it, stay here.
Speaker 2: We like you guys, we were stuck in a city.
Speaker 2: We were in Chicago and downtown and everybody was very
Speaker 2: nervous and tense and yeah, and we couldn't eat outdoors,
Speaker 2: we couldn't go to the mall. We couldn't do a thing.
Speaker 2: We took one step down here and walked outside, and
Speaker 2: there's crowds that we hadn't seen crowds in a year.
Speaker 1: Were you like, you guys are all going to get COVID?
Speaker 2: I was like, why isn't anyone wearing masks? And then
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, because that's really stupid. Yes, yes, right,
Speaker 2: m So we we moved down here just after the pandemic,
Speaker 2: and we thought we would rent a house for a
Speaker 2: while and we go back to Chicago to raise our
Speaker 2: kids where we were raised. And we got a year
Speaker 2: in and we were like why would we leave this place?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and our old neighborhoods in Chicago are now overrun.
Speaker 2: We would have had a migrant shelter just down the street.
Speaker 2: We would have had our jackings all over. My husband
Speaker 2: somebody that he went to high school with was running
Speaker 2: a drug house two blocks from where we were living
Speaker 2: at the time.
Speaker 1: Nice and where to go? All right, maybe you.
Speaker 2: Know the drive through down the street. We found a
Speaker 2: good school for our kids here. I don't have to
Speaker 2: homeschool them because I'm not worried about what they're going
Speaker 2: to learn in school.
Speaker 1: Huge. Yeah, huge? Have you made friends?
Speaker 2: Some friends? Some friends? We have a couple friends. And
Speaker 2: then we moved into this neighborhood where everyone is really
Speaker 2: determined to be our friend, which is really hard because
Speaker 2: I'm I have an introvert.
Speaker 1: Are you okay?
Speaker 2: And everyone is just really determined that we should be
Speaker 2: a part of the social culture here. Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 2: And so they're forcing me to become friends.
Speaker 1: Forcing you to enjoy your community.
Speaker 2: Terrible people, terrible, horrible people who put on parties and
Speaker 2: parades and halloweens.
Speaker 1: And yeah, We're going to take a quick break and
Speaker 1: be right back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. On the show,
Speaker 1: I've interviewed a lot of people who have, you know,
Speaker 1: made the moves, and we've been sort of honest about,
Speaker 1: you know, pluses and minuses and making friends and starting
Speaker 1: over in adulthood and all of that. So what's been
Speaker 1: kind of the biggest challenge for you?
Speaker 2: The biggest challenge here is finding a community. I think
Speaker 2: they call it the third place. You know, you have home,
Speaker 2: you have work, and then you should have some third Yeah,
Speaker 2: and in Chicago we had that. We had a neighborhood bar,
Speaker 2: we had a church, we had places that my husband
Speaker 2: grew up in the same neighborhood that we lived in.
Speaker 2: So we had sort of a ready made community there.
Speaker 2: And making your own community, it turns out, is really
Speaker 2: hard and finding a new place, finding a new place
Speaker 2: that you can go to to hang out, finding a
Speaker 2: new church was really tough here. It took us about
Speaker 2: a year. So it was that initial loneliness I think
Speaker 2: of moving to a new place. You have no roots,
Speaker 2: nothing to fall back on, Like, was it the best
Speaker 2: bar in the world. Were they the best friends in
Speaker 2: the world. I don't know, I get that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a local bar, Yeah, I know what I need
Speaker 1: a local bar. I've been doing this all wrong. I
Speaker 1: have like looked for other things, but not a local bar.
Speaker 1: And I think you're You're absolutely right, that's what I
Speaker 1: should have.
Speaker 2: But rest they know your name?
Speaker 1: Yes, well, restaurant I have that we have as we
Speaker 1: have a few restaurants where they know our names. But
Speaker 1: that's really interesting. You know what else is really interesting
Speaker 1: is that I know you're a Catholic, right right about that? Okay?
Speaker 1: So yeah, I always thought you're saying, you know, finding
Speaker 1: the right church. Like so there's all these sects of Judaism,
Speaker 1: and you know, so being a Jew is like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're finding the right like you know, first your your
Speaker 1: kind of domination and then within that, like the right place.
Speaker 1: And then I think that's probably also true for Protestants
Speaker 1: that I always assumed for Catholics it would be like
Speaker 1: all the churches would be relatively the same. Is that correct?
Speaker 2: So we kind of have unofficial internal denominations. So there's
Speaker 2: that a more liberal type of Catholicism that kind of
Speaker 2: popped up in the sixties and seventies, and then.
Speaker 4: We have sort of a more vagemination or it's just
Speaker 4: this kind of liberal you just have to know it
Speaker 4: when you just have to know it when you see it.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of elbaters and acoustic guitars and everybody
Speaker 4: loves everybody. It's very very I hate to say the
Speaker 4: word boomer because people get mad about it when I
Speaker 4: say it, but it's boomer.
Speaker 1: I see boom. Okay, okay.
Speaker 2: Then there's very orthodox traditional Catholicism with the Latin Mass,
Speaker 2: and where we came from in Chicago, we were more
Speaker 2: on that side, but then we went to the Latin
Speaker 2: Mass here and it was one of those where people
Speaker 2: came from long distances to get to the church. So
Speaker 2: really they got there, they went to Mass, they left,
Speaker 2: there was.
Speaker 1: Nothing got it.
Speaker 2: Were inviting and then we ended up Ultimately we ended
Speaker 2: up at the cathedral. It took us about a year.
Speaker 2: We just decided to try the downtown cathedral one morning
Speaker 2: and the lady who was sitting next to us gave
Speaker 2: my kids little holy cards and they introduced themselves. And
Speaker 2: now we are. I bring my kids, they sit in
Speaker 2: the front row. I always say, you know, I have
Speaker 2: to be I have to be evangelizing to them or
Speaker 2: they're going to forget their religion.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, nobody's going to do it for us. Nobody's
Speaker 1: going to.
Speaker 2: Do so I've got to sell it. I've got to
Speaker 2: sell it to my own kids first before I sell
Speaker 2: it to anyone else. And so I try to make
Speaker 2: it as fun and exciting as possible. And yes, we're
Speaker 2: disruptive because all my children are preschool aged or younger.
Speaker 2: But I said, if we're going to be disruptive, at
Speaker 2: least to be entertaining, right, And now we've become like
Speaker 2: we're there front and center by children know, all the
Speaker 2: bishops and everybody by name, and it was just a
Speaker 2: really warm and welcoming environment that brought us in and
Speaker 2: gave us that thing that we were missing.
Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, And it's not a show, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not like a production. It could be interrupted. It's
Speaker 1: not like I just don't like the idea of religious
Speaker 1: services being like and showtime. Here's what we're doing. You know.
Speaker 1: I think it's okay to have reality and humanity get
Speaker 1: in there. And and you know, kids being noisy or whatever, like,
Speaker 1: what are you going to do that they exist like them?
Speaker 2: If you don't have kids, your religion is dying.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's like millennials are.
Speaker 2: Less religious than their parents and is less religious than
Speaker 2: their parents. And by the time you get to our kids,
Speaker 2: who I guess are gen Alpha, there's going to be
Speaker 2: nothing left for them.
Speaker 1: So conservative Judaism, I'm looking at you.
Speaker 2: Conservative Catholics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, neflis.
Speaker 2: In generals, there's like nothing left. So there's nothing that
Speaker 2: makes their lives different by being Catholic. And so for us,
Speaker 2: we tried to make their lives different and better by
Speaker 2: being Catholic. And so yeah, if you don't have that,
Speaker 2: if you don't have them feeling like they belong and
Speaker 2: feeling like they have something to say or reason to stay,
Speaker 2: it's just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and feeling comfortable and familiar in those spaces. I
Speaker 1: think it's, you know, so important. Once again, all sects
Speaker 1: of Judaism. I'm looking at you. So, what would you
Speaker 1: say is our biggest cultural or societal problem in America?
Speaker 1: And do you think it's solvable?
Speaker 2: I think we don't know how to have fun anymore. Hmm,
Speaker 2: I think it's solvable. I think we think of fun
Speaker 2: as vices, so we're interesting as sex, drugs, gambling, rock
Speaker 2: and roll. Yeah, we don't think about it as just
Speaker 2: going out in our backyard playing with our kids, right,
Speaker 2: and we've sort of stopped having fun as a society.
Speaker 2: Like if I go out and you'll understand this, I
Speaker 2: love Michelin Star restaurants, say you love it, yeah, and
Speaker 2: I will go and have a four hundred dollars tasting
Speaker 2: menu dinner. And I've done this all over the world
Speaker 2: and people will be like, why the would you spend
Speaker 2: eight four hundred dollars on a meal? I was like,
Speaker 2: this is the only meal I'm never going to get that.
Speaker 2: This happened, right, and it's amazing.
Speaker 1: Remember it, Yeah, I'll remember it.
Speaker 2: It's a show. It's something that is so different. I'm
Speaker 2: not doing this every day. I'm not cooking Posta at
Speaker 2: my house and charging people four hundred dollars for it.
Speaker 2: It's an experience. And so I think we've stopped having
Speaker 2: those experiences. We only get them through our phone, we
Speaker 2: only get through Instagram. Like we have influencers who go
Speaker 2: and have those experiences.
Speaker 1: Yes, and tell us about them, yes, right.
Speaker 3: About them, and we don't think like I could make
Speaker 3: a reservation, yes as Letelier in Paris, and I could
Speaker 3: go there and I could eat there, and I could
Speaker 3: tell my friends about it and feel like I had
Speaker 3: it once in.
Speaker 1: A day time experience really interesting. Yeah, so Americans should
Speaker 1: have more fun.
Speaker 2: America should have more fun, have an experience. Do it,
Speaker 2: go run like a weirdo in the park, do something
Speaker 2: that great, Yes, do it.
Speaker 1: Don't be afraid, Yeah, be fearless. I love it. And
Speaker 1: here with your best tip for my listeners on how
Speaker 1: they can improve their lives.
Speaker 2: Stay with your family more. I think the best thing
Speaker 2: I ever do in my life is cook with my family.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: You learn things about people being with them. And I
Speaker 2: say this as somebody who hates other people. I have
Speaker 2: a cat right here. This is the happiest I'll be.
Speaker 2: People always ask, you know, why don't I ever see
Speaker 2: you where I'm going? Or why don't I see you
Speaker 2: when I'm at some conference? Was like, because I'm in
Speaker 2: my hotel pretending that I'm not at a conference. I
Speaker 2: just feel like people could benefit so much from human
Speaker 2: contact and cooking alongside somebody, going to a movie with
Speaker 2: people and being loud, going to the park. People just
Speaker 2: live your life like a human and humans need other humans.
Speaker 2: That's all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, family humans, not like stranger humans.
Speaker 2: Like stranger humans. That's weird. Thank you.
Speaker 1: So much. Emily, thank you. This is really great. Loved
Speaker 1: having you on and we'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Thanks so much for joining us on
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