1 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: It's a little over a week into the new year, 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: but I'm still taking stock of the last year and 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: thinking about what I'll do differently for twenty twenty four. 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: Like I said in the last episode, I'm not big 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: on New Year's resolutions, but I do like to think 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: about how to improve my life and how to move 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: forward and be better, just have a better year than 9 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 1: I did the last year. I had a really mixed 10 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, Like I think a lot of people. 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: My book Stolen Youth came out in March, and honestly, 12 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: it was a hit. My co author and I made 13 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: multiple bestseller lists. We were all over TV and radio. 14 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: I toured all over the country for months, and I 15 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 1: spoke to so many groups, did so many different events. 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: It really went well. That same month that the book 17 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: came out, we had about Mitzvah for our daughter. About 18 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: Mitzvah is a Jewish rite of passage. It's a religious 19 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: ceremony that commemorates the child becoming a grown up, and 20 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: it usually comes with a party about the size of 21 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: a wedding. Actually it was about three times the size 22 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: of my own wedding, and it was quite a lot. 23 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: It was amazing. It all went really great. But the 24 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: book and the butt Mitzvah, they were beautiful, amazing, but 25 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: extremely stressful, and it was a stressful time in the 26 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: last year that I still haven't quite gotten over. Then 27 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: we launched this podcast in October. I had had offers 28 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: to do my own show over the years, but I 29 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: really never entertained one until this. And look, it's going great. 30 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: So many of you are out there listening. I hear 31 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: from you, and I feel so lucky. I'm busy all 32 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: the time, and it's a good busy, but it's still 33 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: quite a lot. I had eye surgery in May that 34 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: forced me to take a few weeks off, but otherwise 35 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: I have never worked more in my life than I 36 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: did in twenty twenty three. In a lot of ways, 37 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: it was a very very good year. But the truth 38 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: is that all of that stressed me out, and I 39 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: didn't sleep that great for a lot of it. I'm 40 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: not an anxious person. I'm very chill, but i'd feel 41 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: this anxiety in my sleep about all the things that 42 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: I needed to get done, and there was no real 43 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: reason for the stress like I'd wake up in the 44 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: morning after a night of stressing about something and think 45 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: that's a really silly thing to be worrying about, and 46 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,119 Speaker 1: I'd shake it off and I'd go on about my day. 47 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: You Know something I think about a lot is that 48 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: when I was at the lowest points of my life, 49 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: like when I was unemployed and single and had a 50 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: whole lot of nothing going on, I was sleeping super 51 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: well and I didn't worry about anything. I didn't have 52 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: anything to lose. So then the October seventh attacks happened 53 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: in Israel, and my sleeplessness and stress they take on 54 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: a more specific focus. The attacks really rocked my world, 55 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: as I think they did for a lot of Jews, 56 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: you know, around the world. Beyond the horrific images and stories, 57 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: I'd spend a lot of night thinking about how to 58 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: raise Jewish children in a world where so much hate 59 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: is aimed at them. And I go back and forth 60 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: between wanting to build a fortress around them and wanting 61 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: them to go out into the world and be themselves 62 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: with pride and no fear. In side note, I learned 63 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: to shoot this year. I'm an optimistic person, but I'm 64 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: not a foolish one. My people have been unarmed sitting 65 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: ducks too many times throughout our history. Not us, not 66 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: this time. I say all this because it's possible to 67 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: have a universe of good, very good really exist alongside 68 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: a lot of bad. Life just isn't one way or another. 69 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: We're all carrying a lot of stuff around with us. 70 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: For twenty twenty four. I know the things I need 71 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: to do to comfort myself and calm myself when I 72 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: get to dark places. For me, for one thing, it's 73 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: unplugging from Twitter first and foremost. And look again, nothing 74 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: is all good or all bad. I love Twitter. I 75 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: get a lot out of it. I've met a lot 76 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: of friends through it, see it as my social since 77 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: I work from home. But I get to where I'm 78 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: on it way too much, consuming way too much news 79 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: and minutia, And I used to have arguments on there, 80 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: but I don't even really do that anymore. It's just 81 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: the amount of information becomes too much and it's time 82 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: for a break. So I take vacations where I unplug 83 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: from Twitter and I spend more focused time with my family. 84 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: And this gives me such a sense of calm. Does 85 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: that mean I never yell at my kids, like no, 86 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: I yell quite a bit. But being together, cooking, watching movies, 87 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: all of that it leads to a really great feeling 88 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: of calm and togetherness that helps me sleep better. The 89 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: last thing for me is reading fiction. I go through 90 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: years without reading any fiction because my world is really 91 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: a world of nonfiction. I'm into the political world and 92 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: into social and cultural issues, and this is all the 93 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: nonfiction space. But when I don't read fiction for a 94 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: long time, for me, it's a mistake. Nonfiction books are great. 95 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: I love learning new stuff. I love not fiction also, 96 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 1: but the weaving of a beautiful story, immersing myself in 97 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: someone else's life for a while, it's so good for me. 98 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: I read two books overbreak and they were just fantastic. 99 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: I forgot the writer's names, but one was called The 100 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: Family and one was called City of Thieves. They were 101 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: both recommended to me by my Twitter followers, and I 102 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: really love them. Both books were fantastic, City of Thieves particularly. 103 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: I'm going to be thinking about that one for a 104 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: long time. I hope that in twenty twenty four we 105 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: all can balance the good and the bad and focus 106 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: on what brings us happiness and calm. That's my wish 107 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: for all of you, and that's my wish for myself too. 108 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: Coming up next an interview with Emily's Nati. Join us 109 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 1: after the break, Hi, and welcome back to the Carol 110 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My guest today is Emily's Nati. 111 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: Emily is a writer and her substack is called because Ovs. 112 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for coming on, Emily. 113 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. 114 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: So there's been this phenomenon on social media of dinks, 115 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: which means a couple who is dual income, no kids, 116 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: and the pushback to that has been people commenting that 117 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: these people will be unfulfilled or alone as they age. 118 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: And I saw a tweet of yours where you had 119 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: some thoughts on that, and I was like, Oh, I 120 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: have to have Emily on to talk about it because 121 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: I thought it was unique. Tell me your thoughts. 122 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: So my thoughts were, well, first off, the dank thing. 123 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 2: This isn't to say it about all double income no 124 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 2: kids families. These are like, specifically the ones that are 125 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 2: on TikTok in what feels like a gigantick coat. 126 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: Right, it's a great way to phrase it. 127 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: My life is so amazing because my kids don't wake 128 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: me up at nine am, and I can have all 129 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: this money and I go eat fancy dinners and all 130 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 2: these things that I still do with children, that right 131 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 2: here saying I was never supposed to be able to do. 132 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 2: But my thought was, and sort of over the last year, 133 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: I've had a lot of experience with death, and I 134 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: kind of felt like, look, if all you're doing to 135 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: be fulfilled at the end of your life is making 136 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 2: people that are required to be there, that's not really 137 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 2: being fulfilled. Like, there's plenty of people who have kids 138 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: whose kids will not be there and they're dead, And 139 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 2: there's certainly plenty of people who don't have kids who 140 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: will be surrounded by love and all love this wonderful 141 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 2: stuff as they exit this life. And so for me, 142 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: I just felt like people were saying that the only 143 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: way to have a good life or to have a 144 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: good death was to have children, and you just need 145 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: to have a good life really, not not necessarily just kids. 146 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: Right, I'm not having kids to be like there for 147 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: me when I'm bored in my older age. I fully 148 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: agree with that. I'm obviously very pro having children, but 149 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: the idea that they fulfill you or will be your 150 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: companions as you get old. Rubs me the wrong way. 151 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: I know very fulfilled and happy people without kids, and 152 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: I know miserable parents. I also don't like the whole 153 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: making kids your whole life. You want to have a 154 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: life when they grow up too, And the thing is 155 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: that I want my kids to go out into the 156 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: world and have their own lives and not, you know, 157 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: not be my like little caretaker as they get you know, 158 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: as I get older. So I really loved that you 159 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 1: mentioned that about a year ago you had a traumatic 160 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: near death experience. What happened and what's changed in your 161 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: life since then. 162 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 2: So I had I had one of those Chicago MD 163 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: or Chicago ER kind of like should be a primetime 164 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: television special, and I went to the emergency room for 165 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: what I thought was food poisoning and it ended in Chicago, 166 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 2: well in Nashville here, you know, Nashville. 167 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, but I get it. 168 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I watched Chicago MED so that was what 169 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 2: was in my But it was one of those where 170 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 2: I went to the ar thinking I was having food 171 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 2: poisoning and I ended up having a ruptured topic pregnancy 172 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: and was rushed into emergency surgery. And had to get blood, 173 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 2: and at one point they actually called priest. They said, 174 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 2: are you Catholic? Are you Christian? Do you have some 175 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 2: belief system so that we can call somebody in case 176 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 2: things don't go the way they are, so they can 177 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 2: give you last row. And I was not in a 178 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 2: position to say yes, because I thought everything was still 179 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 2: fine and dandy. And my husband was like, oh my god, yeah, yeah, 180 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 2: priest in here, and so that kind of gave me 181 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 2: a different perspective. I woke up the next morning thinking 182 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: what have I done with my life? What does it 183 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: look like? What am I doing with my life? What 184 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 2: is my job right now? And how do I change 185 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: that and make it better so that I wake up 186 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 2: in the morning and I feel like I'm fulfilled, and 187 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 2: I feel like if I do get hit by a 188 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 2: bus or a bike messenger, which is right, I always 189 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 2: thought I was going to die when I lived in. 190 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: The city, Like what if I do, Yeah, people show 191 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 3: up at my funeral and Hilde actually miss me. 192 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: So it did change my perspective quart of it. 193 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think about that a lot, not just the 194 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: bike messenger part, but you know, the spending your time 195 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: here in a way that is you know you're not 196 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: going to regret anything when you go, and that you 197 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: know that we do only have so much time here, 198 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: which I guess leads me to a question that I 199 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: always ask people is do you feel like you've made it? 200 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: Especially after what's happened to you. 201 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 2: I don't think I ever will fill that I've made it. 202 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 2: I had a crazy imposter syndrome, and I'm amerd or 203 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 2: I'll tell you I'm a writer, but I've had all 204 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 2: these bylines, so I actually have a crazy imposter syndrome. 205 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 2: So I don't think I will ever feel like I've 206 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 2: made it, but I did in that conversation about the 207 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: Dinks when I was talking about I feel like if 208 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 2: my kids can make it, If my kids get to 209 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 2: the point in their lives for they are successful enough 210 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 2: to afford therapy for all the things I've done to 211 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 2: them up until that point, that is when I think 212 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 2: I will feel like I will have been successful in 213 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 2: my life, and then I can, like one my husband 214 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: and I moved to Marguerite Deville and play pickleball and 215 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: collect ceramic cats or whatever I want to do. You 216 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 2: love it like twenty years of my life, you know, 217 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: But that's when I feel like I'll have made it, 218 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 2: I think. 219 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 1: How would you define imposter syndrome for people who might 220 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: not know what that means? I know very well what 221 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: that means, because I think there's not a writer out 222 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: there who doesn't suffer from it. But how do you 223 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: describe it? 224 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 2: It's sort of of this feeling that all the success 225 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: that you've had, all of the things that you've done 226 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 2: in your life that look good on paper, that really 227 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 2: everybody's just been fooled, that you're you're so incredibly good 228 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 2: at fooling everybody, and one day this house of cards 229 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 2: is just going to come down around you, and people 230 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 2: are going to see you for the loser and the 231 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: faker in reality, Like if I truly was able to 232 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 2: fake all of that to write a point. 233 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: Like the most successful ever, you'd be like, they're just 234 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: a billionaire running like your own you know, evil layer 235 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: And yeah. 236 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 2: But you know, it doesn't change that. I wake up 237 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 2: in the morning and I'm like, who am I? Why 238 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 2: do people care that they know my name when they 239 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 2: see me out somewhere? But yeah, you just basically recognized. 240 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: Do you get recognized lot? Like do you live a 241 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: public life? 242 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: My kids get recognized all the time, and now that's 243 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: also recognized. I seen you on the internet. They're like, 244 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: I've seen that kid on the internet. 245 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's definitely. I feel like i'd recognize your kids 246 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 1: if I saw them, for sure, I would do you. 247 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny that you say the therapy thing, 248 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: because I feel like parents usually feel like they're not 249 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: making any mistakes, Like I can't even imagine what my 250 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: kids would tell the therapist, like she was a perfect mom, 251 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: Like it could not be better a plus, you know. 252 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: So I think it's so funny that you like, uh, 253 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: imposter syndrome your parenting. Maybe because your kids seem very 254 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: very happy, and you know, I bet that they would 255 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: say quite nice things about you to the therapist MP or. 256 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 2: Maybe I've done something that I don't know, you know, 257 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 2: like somewhere along the line they're going to say, you know, 258 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 2: she put she put this one thing that we did 259 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 2: on the internet and everyone thought it was so cute, 260 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 2: but it was really super embarrassing. So now she's ruined 261 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 2: my life. And now I teach yoga. 262 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: I'm aving by the river, not yoga yoga. I'm terrible. 263 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you never know, I don't. 264 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, I mean, you don't ever know. I I 265 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: do think about, like, what are my kids going to 266 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: complain about? Like, because you know, compared to like my childhood, 267 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: they seem to be having just this like amazing life, 268 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: and I you know, I can't even imagine what they 269 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: have that they're going to hold against me. I'm sure 270 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: they're going to find something. 271 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: Like. 272 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I'm not naive. I just always 273 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: wonder like, oh, what's it going to be? What is 274 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: it going to be? Did I give them too much? 275 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: Like? 276 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: Oh, she just loved us too much. 277 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: She was constantly loving us too much. She kept telling 278 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 2: me she loved. 279 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: Me right, and like anybody notes how embarrassing. 280 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. She she cooked with us, She taught us 281 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 2: how to cook, She taught function as adults. Why didn't 282 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 2: she have a child. I don't know. I don't know. 283 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: They're gonna be like years from now, they're gonna be 284 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: like all my friends got xboxes at age six, and 285 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 2: I was being told to go outside. 286 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: That's true, they might say that, but like I'm ready 287 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: to defend that stance. You know, yes, you're not getting 288 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: the xbox at age six, so you you moved to Nashville. 289 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: But you moved I want to say before the pandemic. 290 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 2: Right, it was just after the pandemic. 291 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: Oh, it was just after the pandemic. Okay, so you 292 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: were part of the great migration. How's it been. 293 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: It's been amazing, so amazing that we actually purchased a 294 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 2: house here. We didn't think that we love it, stay here. 295 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 2: We like you guys, we were stuck in a city. 296 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 2: We were in Chicago and downtown and everybody was very 297 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: nervous and tense and yeah, and we couldn't eat outdoors, 298 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 2: we couldn't go to the mall. We couldn't do a thing. 299 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 2: We took one step down here and walked outside, and 300 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: there's crowds that we hadn't seen crowds in a year. 301 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: Were you like, you guys are all going to get COVID? 302 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: I was like, why isn't anyone wearing masks? And then 303 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, because that's really stupid. Yes, yes, right, 304 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 2: m So we we moved down here just after the pandemic, 305 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: and we thought we would rent a house for a 306 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 2: while and we go back to Chicago to raise our 307 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 2: kids where we were raised. And we got a year 308 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 2: in and we were like why would we leave this place? 309 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: Right? 310 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and our old neighborhoods in Chicago are now overrun. 311 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: We would have had a migrant shelter just down the street. 312 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: We would have had our jackings all over. My husband 313 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 2: somebody that he went to high school with was running 314 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 2: a drug house two blocks from where we were living 315 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: at the time. 316 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: Nice and where to go? All right, maybe you. 317 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: Know the drive through down the street. We found a 318 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 2: good school for our kids here. I don't have to 319 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 2: homeschool them because I'm not worried about what they're going 320 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 2: to learn in school. 321 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: Huge. Yeah, huge? Have you made friends? 322 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: Some friends? Some friends? We have a couple friends. And 323 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 2: then we moved into this neighborhood where everyone is really 324 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 2: determined to be our friend, which is really hard because 325 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: I'm I have an introvert. 326 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: Are you okay? 327 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: And everyone is just really determined that we should be 328 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 2: a part of the social culture here. Yeah, that's great. 329 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: And so they're forcing me to become friends. 330 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: Forcing you to enjoy your community. 331 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 2: Terrible people, terrible, horrible people who put on parties and 332 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 2: parades and halloweens. 333 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: And yeah, We're going to take a quick break and 334 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: be right back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. On the show, 335 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: I've interviewed a lot of people who have, you know, 336 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: made the moves, and we've been sort of honest about, 337 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: you know, pluses and minuses and making friends and starting 338 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: over in adulthood and all of that. So what's been 339 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: kind of the biggest challenge for you? 340 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 2: The biggest challenge here is finding a community. I think 341 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 2: they call it the third place. You know, you have home, 342 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 2: you have work, and then you should have some third Yeah, 343 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 2: and in Chicago we had that. We had a neighborhood bar, 344 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 2: we had a church, we had places that my husband 345 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 2: grew up in the same neighborhood that we lived in. 346 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 2: So we had sort of a ready made community there. 347 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 2: And making your own community, it turns out, is really 348 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 2: hard and finding a new place, finding a new place 349 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 2: that you can go to to hang out, finding a 350 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 2: new church was really tough here. It took us about 351 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 2: a year. So it was that initial loneliness I think 352 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 2: of moving to a new place. You have no roots, 353 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 2: nothing to fall back on, Like, was it the best 354 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 2: bar in the world. Were they the best friends in 355 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 2: the world. I don't know, I get that. 356 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, a local bar, Yeah, I know what I need 357 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: a local bar. I've been doing this all wrong. I 358 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: have like looked for other things, but not a local bar. 359 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: And I think you're You're absolutely right, that's what I 360 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: should have. 361 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 2: But rest they know your name? 362 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: Yes, well, restaurant I have that we have as we 363 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: have a few restaurants where they know our names. But 364 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: that's really interesting. You know what else is really interesting 365 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: is that I know you're a Catholic, right right about that? Okay? 366 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: So yeah, I always thought you're saying, you know, finding 367 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: the right church. Like so there's all these sects of Judaism, 368 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: and you know, so being a Jew is like, you know, 369 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: you're finding the right like you know, first your your 370 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: kind of domination and then within that, like the right place. 371 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: And then I think that's probably also true for Protestants 372 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: that I always assumed for Catholics it would be like 373 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: all the churches would be relatively the same. Is that correct? 374 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 2: So we kind of have unofficial internal denominations. So there's 375 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 2: that a more liberal type of Catholicism that kind of 376 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 2: popped up in the sixties and seventies, and then. 377 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 4: We have sort of a more vagemination or it's just 378 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 4: this kind of liberal you just have to know it 379 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 4: when you just have to know it when you see it. 380 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 4: There's a lot of elbaters and acoustic guitars and everybody 381 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 4: loves everybody. It's very very I hate to say the 382 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 4: word boomer because people get mad about it when I 383 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 4: say it, but it's boomer. 384 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: I see boom. Okay, okay. 385 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 2: Then there's very orthodox traditional Catholicism with the Latin Mass, 386 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 2: and where we came from in Chicago, we were more 387 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 2: on that side, but then we went to the Latin 388 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,719 Speaker 2: Mass here and it was one of those where people 389 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: came from long distances to get to the church. So 390 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 2: really they got there, they went to Mass, they left, 391 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 2: there was. 392 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: Nothing got it. 393 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 2: Were inviting and then we ended up Ultimately we ended 394 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 2: up at the cathedral. It took us about a year. 395 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 2: We just decided to try the downtown cathedral one morning 396 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 2: and the lady who was sitting next to us gave 397 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: my kids little holy cards and they introduced themselves. And 398 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 2: now we are. I bring my kids, they sit in 399 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 2: the front row. I always say, you know, I have 400 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 2: to be I have to be evangelizing to them or 401 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 2: they're going to forget their religion. 402 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, nobody's going to do it for us. Nobody's 403 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: going to. 404 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 2: Do so I've got to sell it. I've got to 405 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 2: sell it to my own kids first before I sell 406 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 2: it to anyone else. And so I try to make 407 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 2: it as fun and exciting as possible. And yes, we're 408 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 2: disruptive because all my children are preschool aged or younger. 409 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 2: But I said, if we're going to be disruptive, at 410 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 2: least to be entertaining, right, And now we've become like 411 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 2: we're there front and center by children know, all the 412 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 2: bishops and everybody by name, and it was just a 413 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 2: really warm and welcoming environment that brought us in and 414 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 2: gave us that thing that we were missing. 415 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, And it's not a show, you know, 416 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: it's not like a production. It could be interrupted. It's 417 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: not like I just don't like the idea of religious 418 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: services being like and showtime. Here's what we're doing. You know. 419 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: I think it's okay to have reality and humanity get 420 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: in there. And and you know, kids being noisy or whatever, like, 421 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: what are you going to do that they exist like them? 422 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 2: If you don't have kids, your religion is dying. 423 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's like millennials are. 424 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 2: Less religious than their parents and is less religious than 425 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 2: their parents. And by the time you get to our kids, 426 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 2: who I guess are gen Alpha, there's going to be 427 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 2: nothing left for them. 428 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: So conservative Judaism, I'm looking at you. 429 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 2: Conservative Catholics. 430 00:22:58,680 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, neflis. 431 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 2: In generals, there's like nothing left. So there's nothing that 432 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 2: makes their lives different by being Catholic. And so for us, 433 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 2: we tried to make their lives different and better by 434 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 2: being Catholic. And so yeah, if you don't have that, 435 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 2: if you don't have them feeling like they belong and 436 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 2: feeling like they have something to say or reason to stay, 437 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 2: it's just. 438 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and feeling comfortable and familiar in those spaces. I 439 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: think it's, you know, so important. Once again, all sects 440 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: of Judaism. I'm looking at you. So, what would you 441 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: say is our biggest cultural or societal problem in America? 442 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: And do you think it's solvable? 443 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 2: I think we don't know how to have fun anymore. Hmm, 444 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 2: I think it's solvable. I think we think of fun 445 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 2: as vices, so we're interesting as sex, drugs, gambling, rock 446 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 2: and roll. Yeah, we don't think about it as just 447 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: going out in our backyard playing with our kids, right, 448 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 2: and we've sort of stopped having fun as a society. 449 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 2: Like if I go out and you'll understand this, I 450 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 2: love Michelin Star restaurants, say you love it, yeah, and 451 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 2: I will go and have a four hundred dollars tasting 452 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 2: menu dinner. And I've done this all over the world 453 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 2: and people will be like, why the would you spend 454 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: eight four hundred dollars on a meal? I was like, 455 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 2: this is the only meal I'm never going to get that. 456 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 2: This happened, right, and it's amazing. 457 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 1: Remember it, Yeah, I'll remember it. 458 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 2: It's a show. It's something that is so different. I'm 459 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 2: not doing this every day. I'm not cooking Posta at 460 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 2: my house and charging people four hundred dollars for it. 461 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 2: It's an experience. And so I think we've stopped having 462 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 2: those experiences. We only get them through our phone, we 463 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 2: only get through Instagram. Like we have influencers who go 464 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 2: and have those experiences. 465 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: Yes, and tell us about them, yes, right. 466 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 3: About them, and we don't think like I could make 467 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 3: a reservation, yes as Letelier in Paris, and I could 468 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 3: go there and I could eat there, and I could 469 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,719 Speaker 3: tell my friends about it and feel like I had 470 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 3: it once in. 471 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: A day time experience really interesting. Yeah, so Americans should 472 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: have more fun. 473 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 2: America should have more fun, have an experience. Do it, 474 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 2: go run like a weirdo in the park, do something 475 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 2: that great, Yes, do it. 476 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: Don't be afraid, Yeah, be fearless. I love it. And 477 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: here with your best tip for my listeners on how 478 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: they can improve their lives. 479 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 2: Stay with your family more. I think the best thing 480 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 2: I ever do in my life is cook with my family. 481 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 482 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 2: You learn things about people being with them. And I 483 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 2: say this as somebody who hates other people. I have 484 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 2: a cat right here. This is the happiest I'll be. 485 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 2: People always ask, you know, why don't I ever see 486 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: you where I'm going? Or why don't I see you 487 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 2: when I'm at some conference? Was like, because I'm in 488 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 2: my hotel pretending that I'm not at a conference. I 489 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 2: just feel like people could benefit so much from human 490 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 2: contact and cooking alongside somebody, going to a movie with 491 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 2: people and being loud, going to the park. People just 492 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 2: live your life like a human and humans need other humans. 493 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 2: That's all. 494 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, family humans, not like stranger humans. 495 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 2: Like stranger humans. That's weird. Thank you. 496 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: So much. Emily, thank you. This is really great. Loved 497 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: having you on and we'll talk to you again soon. 498 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Thanks so much for joining us on 499 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: the Carol Marcowitch Show. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.