Speaker 1: I'm Alec Baldwin and you were listening to Here's the Thing.
Speaker 1: Kyle McLaughlin's having a moment. Critics and fans are heaping
Speaker 1: on the praise for his agent Dale Cooper in Twin Peaks.
Speaker 1: Twenty six years after his star turn as Dale Cooper
Speaker 1: and Twin Peaks, it is happening again. McLaughlin has had
Speaker 1: a wonderfully unconventional career. His first job was in David
Speaker 1: Lynch's ill fated Dune, a movie I love, but it
Speaker 1: was pilloried when it came out. His second job was
Speaker 1: starring in Lynch's dark masterpiece Blue Velvet. Then, in his
Speaker 1: own words, he tried out for Hollywood's big romantic leads
Speaker 1: and it never quite worked despite his talent and good looks,
Speaker 1: But his collaboration with Lynch turned into one of the
Speaker 1: great actor director partnerships. McLaughlin just seems to fit in
Speaker 1: Lynch's uncanny worlds. Do you remember everything? You would never
Speaker 1: have predicted it from what he watched as a kid.
Speaker 1: We were actually restricted to Disney movies. Why do you
Speaker 1: think that is? Our parents were very conservative, conservative, tremendously conservative. Yeah,
Speaker 1: some interviews you did talk about you know, throwing footballs
Speaker 1: and playing golf and flying kites with your brothers. But
Speaker 1: was there any predisposition toward the kind of vibe that
Speaker 1: you would then enter into this world with Lynch? Meaning,
Speaker 1: were you like a sci fi fan? Was a sci
Speaker 1: fi fan? I was? Yeah, Yeah, definitely. It was a
Speaker 1: huge Dune fan. Found that book when I was in
Speaker 1: junior high school. So odd that I ended up being
Speaker 1: cast in the role of Paul the Prince. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't seem to made no sense to me. I said,
Speaker 1: this is just completely surreal. And that started the relationship
Speaker 1: with David Lynch. How did Lynch find you? I was
Speaker 1: found by a casting agent, a junior casting agent in Seattle.
Speaker 1: I was working up there at the theater. I had finished,
Speaker 1: uh graduated within the last year, I guess, and I
Speaker 1: was working in the theater doing Tartuff. We were doing
Speaker 1: an adaptation of TARTUFI was on my way to New
Speaker 1: York to go do seek my fortune basically, and call
Speaker 1: came through. Hey, there, that casting agent in in in
Speaker 1: Seattle had obviously a pipeline too. She actually had been
Speaker 1: sent out on the you know what they do, the
Speaker 1: crazy circuit. Yeah, so she was Elizabeth Lustig was her name.
Speaker 1: She's part of the casting company, and she came through
Speaker 1: and she met a number of people that day and
Speaker 1: I read in a hotel room, you know, the Olympic
Speaker 1: Four Seasons Hotel, downtown Seattle, and she put me on tape,
Speaker 1: you know, that New Experience, and UH took it down
Speaker 1: and showed it to David Lynch and Raphaela Dadtorrentists and
Speaker 1: they said, oh, okay, bring him down, we'd like to
Speaker 1: meet him. And met him and I met him and
Speaker 1: what was that like? It was really like meeting a pal.
Speaker 1: It was like we sat in an office at Universal
Speaker 1: in one of the tiny bungalows weighing the back. I
Speaker 1: have no idea where it was. And we just talked
Speaker 1: about anything. But we didn't talk about noon. We just
Speaker 1: talked about because he was from the Northwest and I
Speaker 1: was in the Northwest, and so we talked about growing
Speaker 1: up there and what it was like in the summertime,
Speaker 1: and we did and we talked a little bit about
Speaker 1: red wine because it was like red wine. And we
Speaker 1: just chat it and uh and then he said, he
Speaker 1: said in the end, I said, okay, here's the script,
Speaker 1: twiny voice, and learn this. Learn these scenes. Kale, he
Speaker 1: didn't call me Kale yet. Learn these scenes and then
Speaker 1: come back in a few days and we'll shoot him.
Speaker 1: You do a very good lunch, but we don't expect
Speaker 1: that of you. You coming. How long did it take
Speaker 1: you to shoot your part? And doing you play the
Speaker 1: lead in the film? Yeah? In the film. So it
Speaker 1: was seven months. We were in Mexico stoity for seven months,
Speaker 1: which felt totally normal to me. I was like the
Speaker 1: first experience in the first David Lynch to Mexico for
Speaker 1: seven months. That's what you shot for seven months, for
Speaker 1: seven months. That's why it was forty million dollars back then. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was forty million dollars the paper,
Speaker 1: I don't and you believe everything you're reading the pure anyway,
Speaker 1: we he David was there for a year and a half.
Speaker 1: They waited for a year and a half film because
Speaker 1: they had second unit thirty and they had all special effects.
Speaker 1: He had everything down there, and um he was I
Speaker 1: think it was you start shooting them. Who was the DP?
Speaker 1: Do you remember Freddy Francis Frans had no idea and
Speaker 1: he was using a kind of a light box thing.
Speaker 1: It was a whole crazy thing and they were smoking
Speaker 1: up all this. I I got work on stage. You know,
Speaker 1: this is this is weird. I didn't have to do
Speaker 1: my own makeup, which is fantastic. Um. You know they
Speaker 1: have people for that. You know, it was all this
Speaker 1: new stuff. They put you in, these crazy costumes. Bob
Speaker 1: Ringwood was was the costume. I did the shadow with
Speaker 1: Bob ring the Great Bob Yea. We called him Rinky Bobwood.
Speaker 1: Actually David called them rankey Bobwood. I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: call him Ricky bobbin had a great get, a great
Speaker 1: group of people. Yeah, it was a big movie, a
Speaker 1: huge movie Tony Masters with a design pruction designer. I mean,
Speaker 1: we just we had an extraordinary talented group of people.
Speaker 1: When you get down there with your first movie. For me,
Speaker 1: the first time I'm on camera, I'm we joke and
Speaker 1: say that the soap opera that I first did here
Speaker 1: in New York, we called it off off television. I
Speaker 1: mean nobody was watching the show when it was canceled,
Speaker 1: right when my contract was over two years now and
Speaker 1: we did the show The Doctors on NBC And you
Speaker 1: get to work out of the white hot spotlight and
Speaker 1: your first movie is a big movie. Did you feel
Speaker 1: pressure or you know, yeah, it was just a naive
Speaker 1: I'm here to act and you know the kind of
Speaker 1: the funny thing about training and maybe remember just coming
Speaker 1: out of school, you really feel like you can do anything.
Speaker 1: They still in you this sort of sense. And it's
Speaker 1: also being twenty years old. You really were confident. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you're you're confident of the point of like
Speaker 1: you can't even consider anything else. This is what you do. Um.
Speaker 1: So we did it, you know, and we made a movie.
Speaker 1: And the deal that I had in place, which is
Speaker 1: difficult contractually, was that I could not appear in any
Speaker 1: other film or television, could not even begin work on
Speaker 1: film or television until Dune was released, which was not
Speaker 1: but yeah, but that's that's so they were. But so
Speaker 1: I had nothing else to work on, nothing else to
Speaker 1: back it up, with nothing else to go, And of
Speaker 1: course Dune came out. It was not well, it was unfortunately,
Speaker 1: which is part of the negotiations with the Dayla Mens company.
Speaker 1: They were really really tough. Um. I also had five
Speaker 1: non five Dune pictures and three non Dune options. The
Speaker 1: contract was this, Oh my god, it was and you
Speaker 1: were in the Mercury. You were in the Arso Mills
Speaker 1: Mercury Theater. Years I could still be doing doing hap
Speaker 1: having a good cigar, aren't you? Would you? It's it
Speaker 1: was one of those But what can I do? You know?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm what was working for equity hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty five dollars a week to this when you go
Speaker 1: out seven months later, what's changed? I had friends, now,
Speaker 1: I had an agent, which was great, um, but I
Speaker 1: hadn't spent any time in Los Angeles. Really. I've literally
Speaker 1: gone from Seattle shoot down to Mexico City, um. And
Speaker 1: then I went back to Seattle because I couldn't do
Speaker 1: film and television, so I go to Los Angeles. So
Speaker 1: I kind of skipped it and went home, went home
Speaker 1: when I did a play there again, and I went
Speaker 1: to New York a little bit and hung out with
Speaker 1: some friends and just kind of idle my time until
Speaker 1: the movie finally came out and the expectations were so
Speaker 1: high and completely just shattered and I was ready to
Speaker 1: go to work day I was. I was kind of disappointed,
Speaker 1: but I was also like, well, you know, we did
Speaker 1: it once, We'll do it again. I had this kind
Speaker 1: of crazy optimism, like, okay, ware, we go the God
Speaker 1: so Bad over. I think it had a lot to
Speaker 1: do with just naivetat of youth and just feeling like
Speaker 1: it's okay, well, you know, I got an agent. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go and we're gonna make it happen. So I
Speaker 1: literally packed up my car. I was in Seattle the time,
Speaker 1: and drove down to Los Angeles, found a place to
Speaker 1: stay and started what happens between you and Lynch on
Speaker 1: the set of the movie that you become his DeNiro?
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, you're his male protagonist. I don't,
Speaker 1: again and again and again. Why I don't. I wish
Speaker 1: I had an answer. I don't really know. I have
Speaker 1: discussed it. We get along great. I mean there's been
Speaker 1: various theories, you know, like I'm the guy that can
Speaker 1: take you through the world. He handed me the script
Speaker 1: of Blue Velvet while while we were filming Dune and said,
Speaker 1: this is what I like to do next, and take
Speaker 1: a look at the role of Jeffrey. And you know,
Speaker 1: he gave it to me and I said, okay, I
Speaker 1: took a look at it. Read the script. This is
Speaker 1: my second film script today I read. The first one
Speaker 1: was the second is due moment. And I read it
Speaker 1: and and it was very powerful. So I mean, oh
Speaker 1: my god, you know, like highly charged and a journey
Speaker 1: to be honest that I that I could recognize, could understand.
Speaker 1: Oh my lord, it is a crazy movie. And said
Speaker 1: that you took the script and wanted your parents approval
Speaker 1: of the script before you do it. I did, so
Speaker 1: I got it. And they didn't take a look at this.
Speaker 1: And my dad read it and he was like, okay,
Speaker 1: my mom read it. Didn't say anything. You know. I
Speaker 1: like it. And and she had been already diagnosed with
Speaker 1: ovarian cancer, was in the middle of that battle. And
Speaker 1: I said, well, screw it, that's it, but not to
Speaker 1: do it. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: do if it's an upset her. I don't want to
Speaker 1: put her in that position and I don't want that
Speaker 1: kind of pressure or nothing like that. We're not gonna
Speaker 1: do it. We'll find something else. And I called David
Speaker 1: and I said, David, I can't. I can't do it,
Speaker 1: you know, And I kind of explained him a little
Speaker 1: bit and he understood. To his credit, he says, Gail,
Speaker 1: want to understand. So there was a you know a
Speaker 1: few months that he was trying to be cast I
Speaker 1: think he did. But at the same time, I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, listen, the offers were not pouring in, to
Speaker 1: be honest, and I just couldn't shake the script. And
Speaker 1: so I can kind of came back again, and I
Speaker 1: kind of and I kind of went to him as well,
Speaker 1: and I said, David, I really would. I think I
Speaker 1: really need to do this. And I said that to
Speaker 1: my mom. I just said to her, I said, Mom,
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna do what I gotta do, what
Speaker 1: I gotta do, and I think it's gonna be okay,
Speaker 1: and I don't want you to worry. Did she lose
Speaker 1: her battle with it? Then she run that time? Yes,
Speaker 1: I joke. You know it's dark, you remember, But I
Speaker 1: say she didn't live long enough to see it, which
Speaker 1: is probably a good idea. She was fifty one. But
Speaker 1: your dad survived. He still alive. My dad passed a
Speaker 1: few about five years ago. Now. He was still close
Speaker 1: with him at all. Yeah, yeah, what do you think
Speaker 1: he was? He was, well, he's a critic. Turns out
Speaker 1: it turns out I didn't know that, isn't my dad?
Speaker 1: Dad said, you know, um, but he he one of
Speaker 1: those dads that's really really proud when he's with his
Speaker 1: friends and around and with me proud too, but also
Speaker 1: when it's you know, said that one wasn't one of
Speaker 1: your best. You know, he would say like that, you know,
Speaker 1: but but but I knew it came from a place
Speaker 1: of him wanting me to be my best, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And he just could not not tell
Speaker 1: a lie. That was my dad couldn't tell a lie.
Speaker 1: But my dad, he had only one note for me
Speaker 1: and all my he passed away three and I just
Speaker 1: was starting out on TV and soap operas and going
Speaker 1: to do pilots, and my dad said to me, completely
Speaker 1: unrelated to my work at all. He said, you know
Speaker 1: what you need to do. You need to develop a
Speaker 1: walk like John Wayne has a walk. I mean he
Speaker 1: has like a what you need to come up with
Speaker 1: a work if they have a thing you do where
Speaker 1: everybody it's like a senior show, like, huh, that's great.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to Strasburg and get some classes.
Speaker 1: And don't you love it because now you know we're
Speaker 1: at the time you're like you know, now you're like
Speaker 1: he's just doing VESTI can to help. He's like, this
Speaker 1: is what he knew, and he's like, you know, I
Speaker 1: can see that in my dad. It's the love that
Speaker 1: he was inside that body was like going through a
Speaker 1: really small channel to get out. Just had a hard
Speaker 1: time getting out, and that's the way it got out.
Speaker 1: But I recognize that as can just complete love. Now
Speaker 1: we go into this business and everybody in our lives
Speaker 1: who are civilians, shall we say, who have their relationship
Speaker 1: with the movies and television, they are fans. They watch
Speaker 1: what they watch, they like what they like, and don't
Speaker 1: like what they don't like. And so when somebody that
Speaker 1: there intimate with some of their very close to goes
Speaker 1: into that business and then we find it what the
Speaker 1: business is really like. It's a job, I mean, and
Speaker 1: there are sometimes moments of artistic elevation that you have
Speaker 1: and and kind of a state you can get into
Speaker 1: which is lovely, but not always where we end up.
Speaker 1: And they don't get that. So then you go and
Speaker 1: do blue Velvet. And then much of response to the
Speaker 1: I remember this. We we had a screening in the valley.
Speaker 1: You know how they used to do that they should
Speaker 1: do uh, And they wouldn't tell the audience, or they
Speaker 1: would say, Hey, we're gonna show, Come come here, you're
Speaker 1: gonna watch the show. You're gonna fill out these cards
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna figure out what it's all about.
Speaker 1: So they were testing basically, and there were some of
Speaker 1: the worst cards that they'd never mind hope for media
Speaker 1: or hits this theory. Gosh, she was awful. Um and
Speaker 1: so we were all just kind of like depressed. And
Speaker 1: then Pauline Kale wrote about it extensively and started this.
Speaker 1: I don't know if she would initially started it, but
Speaker 1: that was one of the early One of the early
Speaker 1: review is that that I think explained it to people
Speaker 1: in a way or appointed them in the right direction,
Speaker 1: or helped them to get a sense of what the
Speaker 1: world that they were seeing was about. And that started
Speaker 1: the slow kind of movement of acceptance and criticification of them.
Speaker 1: Very good. Yeah, when do you begin the first round
Speaker 1: of twin peaks? What year? So that was eight nine.
Speaker 1: Now listen, I'm just a kid from Massive Peak Wick.
Speaker 1: And I mean when I was a kid, I watched
Speaker 1: you know, like f Troop, I love its heroes, Jones
Speaker 1: on movies. I would always watch every movie program on
Speaker 1: TV because there was no HBO then, and there was
Speaker 1: no VHS, no, no, no nothing. When you go to
Speaker 1: do Twin Peaks, you would you say that the lynching
Speaker 1: and experience kicks up another notch now in terms of
Speaker 1: what you're shooting and how Yeah, without question. First of all,
Speaker 1: the role Cooper, you know was I read it and
Speaker 1: I was like, this is this is magnificent, This is
Speaker 1: pretty special, and and you really were going to tell
Speaker 1: this story of Twin Peaks, You're really going to do
Speaker 1: this day. I mean it was one of those kind
Speaker 1: of like because this isn't like any kind of TV
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. And so we all signed on, I
Speaker 1: think to the person I signed on with, you know,
Speaker 1: and you obviously it's a five and a half year,
Speaker 1: six year commitment that you have to sign to, and
Speaker 1: we're all sort of laughing and giddy, were saying like
Speaker 1: like that will ever happen? You know? He's like, are
Speaker 1: you kidding me? This is gonna be a one, one
Speaker 1: and done. You know, this is gonna be a back
Speaker 1: back door pilot, you know, so it'll be a completed,
Speaker 1: finished unit, you know, and it will be it. They're
Speaker 1: never gonna say They're never gonna buy this cut too,
Speaker 1: you know, they're like an ABCC and goes, oh, we'd
Speaker 1: like to buy more now. They made the decision well
Speaker 1: well after we'd finished, you know, and they started to
Speaker 1: screen it and they got excited about this, and so
Speaker 1: we said, okay, So we went and we filmed seven
Speaker 1: more episodes of but nothing had gone to air yet,
Speaker 1: so they only had the pilot that they thought was great.
Speaker 1: And then they had seven shows and now they were
Speaker 1: going to put them on the air. So it wasn't
Speaker 1: the thing where you put one on the air and
Speaker 1: you kind of see how it does and you put
Speaker 1: the next one on the air and say it like
Speaker 1: it is now. We had had banked these episodes. They committed,
Speaker 1: they did and you did how many seasons? We just
Speaker 1: did a year and a half, not even a half.
Speaker 1: It was like thirty two hours. It was like what
Speaker 1: you would call now a limited series. Yeah, but internally no,
Speaker 1: they made it, you know, this was this was something
Speaker 1: that they wanted to run for a while, but but
Speaker 1: just went off the rails. You know, they were second season. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What was the health of his film career in ninety
Speaker 1: one when you started doing that? Was he having any success. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Lynch was Yeah, I mean he's always it's always. I
Speaker 1: think he had Uh so he did. He wasn't detouring
Speaker 1: into TV because he didn't couldn't make any films in him. No, No,
Speaker 1: I think he found it as as another medium to
Speaker 1: let's experiment and see what this could do. You know,
Speaker 1: um first freak people that every week? Yeah, one of those.
Speaker 1: And and when does a filmmaker like that on all
Speaker 1: tour like that come to television? It was. It was
Speaker 1: the first of his kind. So that was the fun
Speaker 1: thing about it. And when you're doing scenes, I mean
Speaker 1: I watched the The two point oh that was recently,
Speaker 1: when you're sitting there and the character of she was
Speaker 1: somebody who's going you can do it better than I can.
Speaker 1: I never I never spoke backwards. That's the whole thing
Speaker 1: was the great I'll sign you the seriously. But when
Speaker 1: you're shooting scenes with him like that, is it readily
Speaker 1: available to you? Is it readily discernible to you? What
Speaker 1: the intention of the scene. You're a classically trained actor
Speaker 1: who's done theater and films, and uh, now you're doing
Speaker 1: this thing, which is a little not absurd but very strange.
Speaker 1: Is Lynch sitting down when you're saying, oh, Kane out Kyle,
Speaker 1: this work. Is it what this scene is about and
Speaker 1: this world we're looping back on it? Or do you
Speaker 1: just plain it's easy to discern it's I don't say.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's easy to discern. I think that
Speaker 1: the reality within this scene David and I, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of different things. So sometimes we'll find it, find
Speaker 1: it in the scene as we're doing it. Sometimes it's there.
Speaker 1: He always knows exactly what he wants and what he's doing.
Speaker 1: It's just it's gonna map bring me along, you know.
Speaker 1: But I learned early on. I used to do this
Speaker 1: in Dune. I used to go in and bother him hours.
Speaker 1: I would try to talk to him about this scene
Speaker 1: and what this meant and going here and doing it,
Speaker 1: and he would listen to me for about eight minutes,
Speaker 1: and then he I could just see that the blind
Speaker 1: just would come down and be like, okay, that's it.
Speaker 1: So that I's always said okay, okay, a little less
Speaker 1: in blue Velvet, I asked him a little less, and
Speaker 1: then finally between peaks, I I stopped asking him all
Speaker 1: together to explain. I just said all right, we'll find
Speaker 1: you know, I know I kind of know what I
Speaker 1: got to talk about it too much, talk about too much. No,
Speaker 1: he find it. Yeah, and he doesn't like to talk
Speaker 1: about he's the finished product. He said, you go watch it.
Speaker 1: You tell me what you think. You know, I have
Speaker 1: that experience, you know, I know what it means to me.
Speaker 1: But he is loath to like do a lot of
Speaker 1: hand whole they have. Yeah, he wants people to go
Speaker 1: on this journey, you know, as as he's a true artist.
Speaker 1: You know, he wants people to experience this thing, you know,
Speaker 1: And so that's what we do. So that shows on
Speaker 1: for a year and a half and that becomes another
Speaker 1: cult masterpiece. What does that do for you so that
Speaker 1: you're making development deals with ABC? You know what? I
Speaker 1: just fu every time that he handed you with the key,
Speaker 1: you know, I just you dropped them down the d
Speaker 1: I did. I did, to be honest, and I did. Seriously.
Speaker 1: I had this opportunity like that and I and I
Speaker 1: just was like great, but I you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: know how to generate or that's not Do you look
Speaker 1: back and wish you had? Are you more leaved in
Speaker 1: the wind? I looked back and wish I had. I
Speaker 1: wish I had been smarter, you know, um and had.
Speaker 1: But then at the same time, I'm going like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I don't know how I would have done that.
Speaker 1: You know, I just wasn't built that way. And that's
Speaker 1: to produce yourself and to market yourself as a product. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't, although you know, and part of that is
Speaker 1: part of that is age. You know, you I look
Speaker 1: back and not that I know what everyone did, but
Speaker 1: you know, my heroes were guys like Dean and Montgomery,
Speaker 1: Clift and Brando and these guys, and and there was
Speaker 1: a real in at least I believed whether it was
Speaker 1: true or not, I believed, oh that you know. It
Speaker 1: was all about the craft and the art and finding
Speaker 1: playing character and doing that kind of thing. But never
Speaker 1: any thought towards Okay, this is a story that I
Speaker 1: really like, a character that I really like, and they
Speaker 1: were they were out there. I just didn't know how
Speaker 1: to grasp them. Twin Peaks star Kyle McLaughlin. Like McLaughlin,
Speaker 1: Stacy Keach is probably best known for playing a mystery
Speaker 1: solving detective. For Keach, it was Mickey Spillane's Mike camera
Speaker 1: but His incredibly varied career from King Lear to The
Speaker 1: Simpsons makes for great stories. Plus, he stars in this
Speaker 1: year's film noir Girlfriend's Day, alongside Believe It or Not,
Speaker 1: David Lynch. Teaches credits go back to nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 1: What's it like for you now to work with younger actors?
Speaker 1: Do you find that the good ones operate the same
Speaker 1: way or are they different? They're different, They're very different.
Speaker 1: But why wow, you know, I mean, every moment is
Speaker 1: something different. The only one was consistent was inconsistency. As
Speaker 1: a younger actor, I probably would have gotten nuts, relied
Speaker 1: on a pattern of something. Well, that's right, But I
Speaker 1: like I like that, I like spotman, and I like flexibility,
Speaker 1: as we've also learned to the handle with our full
Speaker 1: conversation is that Here's the thing dot Org after the break,
Speaker 1: more from Kyle McGlaughlin. I'm Alec Baldwin and you're listening
Speaker 1: to Here's the Thing. Kyle McLaughlin has been on a
Speaker 1: few truly legendary sets, including Oliver Stone's The Doors, in
Speaker 1: which he plays Raymond Zack, the band's keyboardist. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that was amazing. First of all, VAL's performance and that was.
Speaker 1: It was incredible, perfect, just perfect. He was unbelievable. He
Speaker 1: was the guy. Everybody wanted that job. Everybody who was
Speaker 1: age appropriate and physically appropriate and could even remotely play
Speaker 1: that character wanted to play Jim Morrison with Oliver. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he auditioned five hundred actors in this. I
Speaker 1: don't look anything like more than well, but do you
Speaker 1: think to yourself? It says, And and then that movie,
Speaker 1: what was that experience? Like fear? You know? Oliver and
Speaker 1: I had a little bit of history with Platoon way
Speaker 1: back in the day where there was some talk about
Speaker 1: me doing one of the roles there and it didn't
Speaker 1: work out. But he's finicky, but he came back to
Speaker 1: me for for for yeah, for Raymond's Eric, and I
Speaker 1: was kind of like, what did you? Were you a
Speaker 1: Doors fan? Kind of I mean, as yourself in their music.
Speaker 1: I learned because I grew up playing the piano, So
Speaker 1: I took a little keyboard. There's one of the corner
Speaker 1: right there, like one of those, and I just learned
Speaker 1: all the songs. The trouble was and they kept changing
Speaker 1: the songs. That was the problem. But I could play,
Speaker 1: We could almost perform as a band, if we with
Speaker 1: if Robbie Kreeger, because Frank Wally was on the guitar,
Speaker 1: if he had a guitar to harden. Remember Frank, he
Speaker 1: knew a little bit, but we needed Kreeger. So when
Speaker 1: Robbie would play with us, we could actually play a
Speaker 1: couple of songs like the Doors. It was that I
Speaker 1: put the keyboard or could you play Blue Sunday for
Speaker 1: me right now? Highly doubtful. I love that it was,
Speaker 1: but it was an experience. It was like like that
Speaker 1: seven months in the desert. No, but it was as
Speaker 1: close close to that as I had been. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it was an experience. It was a giant machine, you know.
Speaker 1: And I was a little yeah. Yeah. We were shooting
Speaker 1: in Candle Sleep Park. We were shooting, UM five cameras,
Speaker 1: Bob's on five cameras, were performing and Joe ready, do
Speaker 1: you know what? Okay? Joey's first, right, So Joe, who
Speaker 1: has a voice verson a little bitch. He's got one
Speaker 1: of the big megaphones in the bullhorn, and he's like
Speaker 1: and he makes an announcement. He says, um, to all
Speaker 1: the women in the audience, if you would like to
Speaker 1: earn an extra hundred dollars you could take off your
Speaker 1: top during and anyway, And we're all kind of like,
Speaker 1: he can he ask men do that? Crazy the sag
Speaker 1: rule book. Yeah, it's impossible, you know so, and it's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen, not gonna happen. Did anybody do it?
Speaker 1: Cut to we look out, we've gotten Suddenly they were
Speaker 1: like fifty women off they go. They We're like what,
Speaker 1: and they're on the guys shoulders. Of course they do.
Speaker 1: And we're all up on stage and this is all happening,
Speaker 1: and the cameras are all nuts and we're like we
Speaker 1: can't look because we're just seeing the crimit climate we're
Speaker 1: living in right now. That is disgusting, terrible, disgusting that
Speaker 1: that happened. That's so wrong. But but back then it
Speaker 1: was do you refresh my memory? You do you record
Speaker 1: their music or you lip sync to play to play back?
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously like my fire is this big solo?
Speaker 1: Do we create that in the film? Yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 1: don't know, you're a big moment. It was like it
Speaker 1: was one of the first days of filming. We're out
Speaker 1: of the beach and we were shooting and and we're
Speaker 1: trying to we're trying to find a song. We're trying
Speaker 1: to find a song. You know, how do you play
Speaker 1: that as an actor? Oh you're messing around, you know?
Speaker 1: And you kind and Ray says, ye, give me, guys,
Speaker 1: give me a few minutes. I gotta figure this out.
Speaker 1: So they drop on down to the beach. Saw the
Speaker 1: guys and you hear over the track while they're on
Speaker 1: the beach. The lead kind of a mistake two three,
Speaker 1: and finally he nails it. Okay, guys, come back in.
Speaker 1: I got it. Two minutes later he was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's how we're going to play it. And that was
Speaker 1: what was he like? Ray, Yeah, he was. I met
Speaker 1: him twice. He didn't hang out a lot. He didn't
Speaker 1: hang out. He and Oliver were not We're not best
Speaker 1: of friends. Those guys are never cool. With the impression
Speaker 1: I got, I could be wrong. I don't want to
Speaker 1: say the wrong thing, but the impression I got is
Speaker 1: those guys are never cool with representations of you know,
Speaker 1: and and kind of and kind of grave robbing Morrison,
Speaker 1: representations of their work. They're very, very proprietary. I think
Speaker 1: Ray felt like he was, you know, he's the keeper
Speaker 1: of the myth and here was Oliver coming in and
Speaker 1: trying to make it his own and change and change it,
Speaker 1: you know. And Ray had a very specific idea about
Speaker 1: what it was and what it meant. Was his idea, Well,
Speaker 1: I think you know he Jim was to him the
Speaker 1: greatest thing ever. I mean and and and he and
Speaker 1: he was, you know, I mean, Morrison's made him, making
Speaker 1: Jim less damaged. Maybe yeah, he was. He was a god.
Speaker 1: You know. The conversations I had was Ray while we
Speaker 1: were filming versus Um. I found that the best source
Speaker 1: information was actually going back to the interviews and just
Speaker 1: watching the behavior and the physicality and how they said
Speaker 1: and spoke and talked to each other, and that to
Speaker 1: me was the better indicator of what was really happening
Speaker 1: with the band, as opposed to listening to Ray. Ray
Speaker 1: told me some great stuff and great stories, but it
Speaker 1: was all through the lens of time. What about Robbie.
Speaker 1: I didn't speak to Robbie. I don't know. I'm only
Speaker 1: asking because the film is so voluptuous and so wonderful.
Speaker 1: A lot of people have said, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: that's not really remotely The Val is stunning. I mean,
Speaker 1: I put Val in a category with like um Rayliota.
Speaker 1: Here's two guys that they should have won the Oscar
Speaker 1: and Val should have won the Oscar. It wasn't even
Speaker 1: for the doors. And I think there are two guys
Speaker 1: who I am I'm not saying this in any harsh way,
Speaker 1: but they're almost two guys were like they never recovered
Speaker 1: from that, Like they can't believe they didn't get there
Speaker 1: do that. That was that, that kind of role, that's
Speaker 1: the full expression of everything Vale was as a performer.
Speaker 1: That was it. He just put it all out, he
Speaker 1: did and he didn't get what he deserved. That's always
Speaker 1: very very kind of cripple, but it's very demoral. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've got to be able to come through that. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Now my other favorite you you even when you I'm
Speaker 1: saying this out of love for you, I mean I'm
Speaker 1: a huge fan of yours. And even when you do
Speaker 1: the movie and the movie's nutty in front of I
Speaker 1: love show Girls. What was you worked with a lot
Speaker 1: of which, Yeah, that was the that was the decision.
Speaker 1: It is like, jeez, you've got Paul Verehoven. I'm a
Speaker 1: huge fan of Verehoven. I mean, I loved RoboCop. Come on.
Speaker 1: I mean that is just something that's this magic, basic
Speaker 1: instinct that just come out. I was like, that's powerful
Speaker 1: as well. I'd like to stuff from before. It's Oldier
Speaker 1: of Orange, it's Betters and stuff you've done before. I
Speaker 1: was like, this is an amazing director and his vision.
Speaker 1: You know, he's gonna take Vegas and it's gonna be
Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna be dark, and it's gonna be visceral,
Speaker 1: and he's going to really expose this whole world. You know.
Speaker 1: Esther House wrote the script. Estherhouse at the time was
Speaker 1: was the guy. He's huge. So you're like you're looking
Speaker 1: at this and you're going, okay, And I get to
Speaker 1: play a character that's slightly devan. He's tough, he's got
Speaker 1: a dark side. To that point, I hadn't had a
Speaker 1: chance to do much of that. You know, as as
Speaker 1: a young actor, you're looking to try to find a
Speaker 1: way to expand your potentiality. I guess two people that
Speaker 1: are that are casting and I was like, this is
Speaker 1: a this is to no brainers is going to be great.
Speaker 1: I like the scenes was very good. I got into it,
Speaker 1: you know, worked hard, came up with a kind of
Speaker 1: a weird look sheep, you know, like one of those
Speaker 1: like a wolf in in sheep's clothing kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I just wanted that's my feel for the guy. That's
Speaker 1: what I wanted him to be like. Because there was
Speaker 1: manipulating people. Oh yeah, definitely, definitely. So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play all this is gonna explore this, you know.
Speaker 1: And and then there was some you know, some newdity
Speaker 1: stuff that we had to sort of work out, which
Speaker 1: was I was fine, you know, I was like, that's okay.
Speaker 1: He wanted he wanted he wanted to porn. He was like, oh,
Speaker 1: he was like thinking of European. I was like, one,
Speaker 1: lies is Europeans. No, we do no, we do full frontal.
Speaker 1: We do full frontal and and yeah. And she's like yeah.
Speaker 1: And I was like I'm not so sure. And he
Speaker 1: was like, what you you don't think you can maintain
Speaker 1: no action? Oh, no, worries we the digital we put
Speaker 1: the digital don't worthy. He thought that my complaint was
Speaker 1: a fact that oh I wouldn't be able to maintain
Speaker 1: and you know, so and I said uh, and I
Speaker 1: said no, no, And then he said digital I said,
Speaker 1: he said oh, so you can do any size you
Speaker 1: want and he said, and I said, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh so anyway. But he wasn't a PERV. He just
Speaker 1: wanted he wanted everything real, just do what be? What
Speaker 1: do with the characters there? Yeah, And we were like,
Speaker 1: how did that take? The shoot? That was a good
Speaker 1: you know, that was pretty traditional three months four months
Speaker 1: of work in his kind and tender with Elizabeth. She
Speaker 1: hadn't made a lot of films and so she had
Speaker 1: and he was pretty kind of I mean, there was
Speaker 1: a lot that went on in that on that movie.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of stories that happened,
Speaker 1: and I she's a sweet girl. She's lovely, you know,
Speaker 1: something her getting mauled when that movie came out and
Speaker 1: people said a lot of mean spirit. And I've met
Speaker 1: her many times and I absolutely adore her. She's like
Speaker 1: one of the most adorable women. Such a lovely, lovely
Speaker 1: she's a sweetheart. And that was a tough thing for
Speaker 1: her to go through, something I don't think she ever
Speaker 1: may have recovered from. Um. It was difficult. I mean
Speaker 1: the filming process was actually phenomenal because we were working
Speaker 1: in South Lake, Taho. There was a full stage and
Speaker 1: these were all they were doing, the choreography and everything like.
Speaker 1: It was a full blown show. So you'd come in
Speaker 1: and you watch the show during you know, any perform
Speaker 1: and stuff. And then when I wasn't working, which is
Speaker 1: a lot of time, it was one of the best
Speaker 1: snows that they've had in Sally. So I had my
Speaker 1: skis in my trailer and I would just get in
Speaker 1: my car. I swing by because they don't want just
Speaker 1: gidding obviously, and I just load him. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: go get to yeah, back in a little bit. And
Speaker 1: it was just spectacular. So I'm reading about you and
Speaker 1: you meet your wife. You'd obviously dated a couple of
Speaker 1: very well known women in your life. We will do that.
Speaker 1: You know, we're the quarterback of the football team, Like,
Speaker 1: where's the head sheer, Let's get her over here right now.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna date her and uh um and then um,
Speaker 1: you can really know and I can relate, and then
Speaker 1: you you marry your wife. Where you met she was
Speaker 1: in the her business when you met her. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: had been working at Rogers and Cow and she had
Speaker 1: just left to form her own company called Full Picture
Speaker 1: her Desire Grouper. I met her at a chiropractor's office.
Speaker 1: I was in with Um Blake Edwards. He and I
Speaker 1: shared a room of tractions. Beginning man Edwards just sort
Speaker 1: of hanging out. Happen Hey, Like, how's he going? I
Speaker 1: rubbed you a couple of discs in my back and
Speaker 1: in no I was working up stupid stuff anyway, Um
Speaker 1: and I was in trying to do distraction therapy to
Speaker 1: sort of released the pressure. And so I was in
Speaker 1: the room and Blake was over there and in his
Speaker 1: chair and I was in my chair and uh so
Speaker 1: I gets a little which is kind of good. He's
Speaker 1: a good guy, and uh desire walked past the door,
Speaker 1: so there's a you know, I was sitting in the
Speaker 1: room looked out. She this tall, gorgeous woman walked past
Speaker 1: and I was like, who's that? You know immediately and
Speaker 1: the antenna went out, and uh, I said, oh, I
Speaker 1: kind of find out what's going on. She'll be in
Speaker 1: there for a little while. Well like five minutes later,
Speaker 1: she walked back out again. I was like, this is
Speaker 1: not good because I was stuck in distraction. So I
Speaker 1: got out my traction went up to meet her at
Speaker 1: the front desk, started struck up a conversation, but I
Speaker 1: was too it felt too weird and I felt too
Speaker 1: shy to like get any kind of contact numbers. So
Speaker 1: I just kind of just didn't. Nothing jelled, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh god, Okay. So she went on her
Speaker 1: way and I was like, oh, maybe I can figure
Speaker 1: out who she was or where she's from. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Two nights later, she walked into the Tina Brown party
Speaker 1: for Talk magazine at the Montreal. She walked in, I
Speaker 1: was like, hello, and so we stock up a conversation
Speaker 1: and uh, and it's got numbers and everything like that.
Speaker 1: At that time, I was felt, you know, you're ready
Speaker 1: to said. I was like, ready, We've already met you once.
Speaker 1: Now I can ask you this is a role I
Speaker 1: could play. Yes, this is there is your boyfriend. There
Speaker 1: is some truth to that. Look at I can do this,
Speaker 1: and it seems like your boyfriend don't for me. When
Speaker 1: I look at your career and I see you, especially
Speaker 1: when you do. I mean, I'm not making any jokes
Speaker 1: about show Girls, because I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: good in that movie. And for you, what I see
Speaker 1: is you become more of a sexualized leading man were
Speaker 1: before that the more prominent characters you played were more
Speaker 1: chase to more pure and heroic, and the libido and
Speaker 1: the sexuality and the perversions, if you will, are around
Speaker 1: you and behind you and underneath you and everybody else.
Speaker 1: But when you do show Girls and then you do
Speaker 1: other shows like Sex in the City and things like that,
Speaker 1: you become much more of a classic leading man than
Speaker 1: the heroic leading man. And something just didn't you feel
Speaker 1: that way? I mean, I agree with you about then
Speaker 1: you would say, I think it was what served me
Speaker 1: well in Blue Velvet in particular, and that you look
Speaker 1: at him and you go, here's a pretty chaste young
Speaker 1: man that gets drawn into something and is attracted to
Speaker 1: something that is absolutely completely dark, and gets goes through
Speaker 1: that journey and barely makes it out alive, you know,
Speaker 1: singed around the edges. And I think the journey you know,
Speaker 1: with let's say Sex in the City with Desperate Housewives,
Speaker 1: is you know, in an environment with a character that
Speaker 1: is um, you know, he's sort of unusual. There's there's
Speaker 1: what you see on the surface seems to be normal
Speaker 1: and fine and everything is good, but underneath that there
Speaker 1: are some other urges that are king, you know, and
Speaker 1: you like both what exactly they are, we don't know.
Speaker 1: I did. I enjoyed him very much. I um, Sex
Speaker 1: in the City was you know, it's it's um, it's
Speaker 1: a little frightening your uncertain ground because you know, with
Speaker 1: a film, they hand you the material, you know, a
Speaker 1: to zy what you're gonna be doing. So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: right there when you walk into a show like that. UM,
Speaker 1: and sexon City was one of those you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, did you that two years I was meant
Speaker 1: to come on for just a couple of full season yeah, too,
Speaker 1: full seasons, so right in the middle, and you don't know.
Speaker 1: They hand you a script one week and then the
Speaker 1: next week they hand you another script and suddenly you're
Speaker 1: doing some crazy thing, you know, with an animal who
Speaker 1: knows you know what I mean. It's like and you
Speaker 1: just like, ah, it keeps you on your toes on edge,
Speaker 1: you know, and you're and the uncertainty is there, and
Speaker 1: occasionally i'd have to say, just not comfortable doing this.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you know, it's like it's just a little
Speaker 1: too I don't know. The thing about TV that people
Speaker 1: don't realize is that the guy that's going to be
Speaker 1: the head writer in season five or six, it's just
Speaker 1: entering Harvard now and he's like he's just starting his
Speaker 1: college Education's like he's like eighteen. You're like, who knows
Speaker 1: who's going to show up? You know, it's a long journey.
Speaker 1: It's a long road around with TV. And why didn't
Speaker 1: you have your own show men? Was it you? Did
Speaker 1: you not want that? Did you not want? I don't
Speaker 1: want to books? They were six years, they were freedom done.
Speaker 1: I've done pilot. You know. I did a pilot with
Speaker 1: Andy McDowell and I thought this is great. You know,
Speaker 1: Mike Newell director. You know, you sort of look at
Speaker 1: the stuff and you're like, he didn't want with you
Speaker 1: and Andy? Yeah? What was the pilot? Yeah? It was
Speaker 1: called Joe and it was about it about her. But
Speaker 1: I was been an experts the ghost had been expert,
Speaker 1: it would have been would have been better. Um, and
Speaker 1: the wife talks backwards exactly. It was you and Andy,
Speaker 1: she's Joe. Yeah. It was like a family drop. It
Speaker 1: was like a family thing. She was a veterinarian, hit
Speaker 1: her mom. I was the boyfriend. It was kind of
Speaker 1: come back into her life and you know, so it
Speaker 1: was this group so um, I mean it wasn't built
Speaker 1: around me, was built around her. But it seemed like
Speaker 1: it would work and make sense, you know, especially with
Speaker 1: that kind of pedigree. M. But you just never know.
Speaker 1: He just never know. And there were others that I tried,
Speaker 1: and things that you know, had like a short shelf life,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and that just never materialized.
Speaker 1: So not without trying, and not without like taking a
Speaker 1: shot at some good stuff, you know. So when the
Speaker 1: Lynch two point oh comes your way, was it something
Speaker 1: you guys had always discussed for a long time? It
Speaker 1: was in your pocket for a while. They also need
Speaker 1: to pop up and go hey a little bit, not
Speaker 1: not without my also over the years sort of because
Speaker 1: we're friends and we live close to each other in
Speaker 1: l A. I've got a house out there, and we
Speaker 1: see each other frequently, and we love to sit and
Speaker 1: talk and reminisce a little bit and talk about what's
Speaker 1: coming up. And I would always say, hey, do you
Speaker 1: ever think about going back between beaks and revisiting that?
Speaker 1: And he would always say no, and I no, no, Well,
Speaker 1: nothing really going on, you know, and so the no
Speaker 1: idea has no thoughts to go back at all. He'd
Speaker 1: also had a difficult time, you know, the television experience.
Speaker 1: I think ultimately, with David, this was not something that
Speaker 1: he wanted to go back into, UM, which I understand.
Speaker 1: It's about having control and that wasn't happening. UM. Somehow
Speaker 1: he and Mark found a common ground, a common story,
Speaker 1: a way to go back that that interested them, and
Speaker 1: they started working on it. And shortly thereafter David came
Speaker 1: to me and said, I need to talk to you
Speaker 1: about something, but he didn't want to talk to me
Speaker 1: about it over the phone. I said, okay. So we
Speaker 1: met in New York and he said, we're gonna go
Speaker 1: back to Twin Peaks. Are you on board? And I said, David,
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to go back to Peaks, know that,
Speaker 1: you know. So I gave him my handshake and UH said,
Speaker 1: let's go, you know, and that Washington I did. That's
Speaker 1: all we needed. That's it. It's the bond, you know.
Speaker 1: And so off he went, and he and Mark were writing,
Speaker 1: and I knew what was coming up, but I couldn't
Speaker 1: say anything until it was far announce smart Frost the
Speaker 1: audience here is yes, good, thank you UM. Because he
Speaker 1: he and David co wrote, co wrote the entire thing,
Speaker 1: so you start shooting that. When we started in the dates,
Speaker 1: I think we met like in twelve and I think
Speaker 1: we started filming in twenty started in Seattle, six weeks
Speaker 1: in Seattle roughly, and then the remainder in Los Angeles, Uh,
Speaker 1: mostly locations to be We were out, yeah, out in
Speaker 1: a kind of the desert environment area, and then the
Speaker 1: last three or four weeks we were on stage. Was
Speaker 1: it familiar to you when you came back to that,
Speaker 1: Not really, because we didn't get back to the character
Speaker 1: of Cooper until our sixteen and so up to that point,
Speaker 1: I was two other characters and one little tiny one
Speaker 1: and got to work with I mean, I'm working with
Speaker 1: Naomi Watts, who is just adorable and fantastic and so
Speaker 1: much fun, so talented, so talented, every fiber of her
Speaker 1: being tiny. He's tiny, He's tiny. David perfectly cast. So
Speaker 1: enjoyed working with her. She had the lion's share of
Speaker 1: the language, you know, because the character I played at
Speaker 1: that point, Dougie, is almost mute apart from a couple
Speaker 1: of words. Oh my god, the'd the best right come
Speaker 1: to work every morning. I got one word in between
Speaker 1: two paragraphs. Okay, let me go you say nothing, nothing,
Speaker 1: You stand there and yeah, yeah, people like you know,
Speaker 1: they get behind that. So um, that was unexpected. And
Speaker 1: I didn't know when David said that they're going back,
Speaker 1: he said, there's gonna be some other things that they're
Speaker 1: going to have to do. You know, there's a other
Speaker 1: you know. I was like, I didn't grasp what it
Speaker 1: was until I sat and read this five plus page script,
Speaker 1: you know, at one sitting with a couple of cups
Speaker 1: of coffee. Oh yeah, they said. I couldn't I could
Speaker 1: not leave the but you can find yourself at the
Speaker 1: page that was it. But it was there and I
Speaker 1: read it and I couldn't believe what what I was
Speaker 1: being asked to do. It was like someone had given
Speaker 1: me the greatest gift in the world. Oh yeah, it's like,
Speaker 1: look at these characters there. Yeah, not just one, not
Speaker 1: just one great character. There was a second. It was
Speaker 1: a three great characters. Said this. I said, it is
Speaker 1: going to test me, and I got scared. You know,
Speaker 1: you get nervous, and then you you're like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to do this. I'm gonna do this, and so you
Speaker 1: just go on that journey. And I had David if
Speaker 1: it were another director who knows if I would have
Speaker 1: felt comfortable to relax and allow him to like watch
Speaker 1: and tell me Steer, you know what I mean, and
Speaker 1: that that was what made the difference. See, what I
Speaker 1: love about your career is that you can play people
Speaker 1: who are these very tender and very sincere and kind
Speaker 1: of no name fish characters in your early career, and
Speaker 1: then who's the darker character in the two point ohr?
Speaker 1: And you inhabit that character? You really, really you are.
Speaker 1: You are the guy that could be like Annie McDowell's boyfriend,
Speaker 1: and you know, there's a you're bringing a basket full
Speaker 1: of puppies over to her house, and then you're just
Speaker 1: this nightmare and and no fun to play. But then
Speaker 1: once you're in there, you're like the feeling of power
Speaker 1: I get it is like I am a god in
Speaker 1: a weird way. That's what I felt when I walked
Speaker 1: through that. I mean, true, he's from another dimension, all right,
Speaker 1: But you're giving yourself that and you're like, wow, it's
Speaker 1: not something you want to abuse or carry around or
Speaker 1: let exist other than when the cameras rolling from starting,
Speaker 1: you know, cut from action to cut, because it's just
Speaker 1: too it's the ring in the Hobbit. It's like you
Speaker 1: just you don't want to put that on, you know,
Speaker 1: because not unless you really have to. I did the
Speaker 1: Scottish play the public Theater back in and we had
Speaker 1: a funny cask because we had a lot of future stars,
Speaker 1: and I remember I would kill Zach Brath, he played Fleance,
Speaker 1: and I'd stab him. I put my boot on his
Speaker 1: shoulder and I peeled him off my sword and that
Speaker 1: would turn to the people in the front row who
Speaker 1: were like maybe five away, and I'll be like, are
Speaker 1: you next, any one of you? And you know, I
Speaker 1: mean you want a piece of this. We're literally like
Speaker 1: trying to bring the audience into like I'm gonna kill
Speaker 1: you now you want to funk with me? And the
Speaker 1: second act of Scottish play, you just went went crazy
Speaker 1: and you really like lost your mind. So when Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Nordling would kill me in the end, I was like,
Speaker 1: I'd lay there and we had a rain effect and
Speaker 1: rain would be coming down in My body was half
Speaker 1: in the gate of the castle and half outside, so
Speaker 1: my body's inside of my head is just outside and
Speaker 1: rain is coming down and I look up at Jeffrey,
Speaker 1: who's gonna kill me, and I look up and whisper.
Speaker 1: In the scene, I go, I'm you do really kill me?
Speaker 1: Because I can't do this fucking show. Another time that
Speaker 1: was so tired of a sword fighting and killing in
Speaker 1: the hatred and the malice and the anxiety. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean Macbeth going crazy, and I would sit down and
Speaker 1: look a bit drearily. Non, I go, shove that sword,
Speaker 1: please jump off. I can't do this. I can't do that.
Speaker 1: But but that's interesting, you see that, because I think
Speaker 1: you were right in keeping with that character. What's happening
Speaker 1: in his mind at the same time. I think he's
Speaker 1: probably at that point he's got a death wish. He's
Speaker 1: exactly he can't stop it. He said, you have to
Speaker 1: stop it for me. I think so. I think someone
Speaker 1: stopped me right in the wheelhouse questions. You know, so
Speaker 1: you have a winery but you make wine? Yeah? Where
Speaker 1: I make one in Eastern Washington. You know, I grew
Speaker 1: up in Yakoma's Eastern Washington. I watched the wine world
Speaker 1: developed there and the quality every year it gets better
Speaker 1: and better and improves. And I wanted to be honest,
Speaker 1: I really wanted I'm interested in wine. I wanted to
Speaker 1: go back and explore that I'd like to. I wanted
Speaker 1: to learn more about wine, and that was one of
Speaker 1: the ways I could do it. And I wanted an
Speaker 1: excuse to go back and see my dad, who was
Speaker 1: alive at the time more and I said, did he
Speaker 1: work with you? We would go together. We went down
Speaker 1: to the winery together, we tasted together. He participated with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he loved it. You owned it. I partnered with an
Speaker 1: existing winery that already had all the infrastructure. There's so
Speaker 1: much infrastructure and the wine that costs so much money.
Speaker 1: So I sourced the fruit. I found the barrels that
Speaker 1: I wanted to use, new French oak barrels. And I
Speaker 1: have your own labels called Pursued by Bear, Pursued by Bear?
Speaker 1: And where did that come from? If I may ask,
Speaker 1: the Winner's Tale, it's right from the Winner's Tale Exit
Speaker 1: Pursued by a Bear. It's it's my favorite stage times.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love it. I love it. You've
Speaker 1: been doing for how long? I started in two thousand five?
Speaker 1: Was the first finite. We're right now and currently I'm
Speaker 1: a little not behind it. Just I aged for a while.
Speaker 1: It's got my out e commerce site. Now do you
Speaker 1: want to expand that and do more of them? Maybe?
Speaker 1: You know, it's like couple. Yeah, that's amazing. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I think he makes I mean obviously he makes more
Speaker 1: money doing the one. And then I thought, yeah, but um,
Speaker 1: but maybe I don't know what's going to happen, you know,
Speaker 1: right now, it's just something else, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: that's different from the business, that takes you kind of
Speaker 1: a way into a different place, and something I can
Speaker 1: share with friends and my wife gets a kick out
Speaker 1: of it, you know, and I get to go home
Speaker 1: and see my brothers now and do you know what
Speaker 1: you're doing next? Yeah? Not no, no, reading, reading some things. Um,
Speaker 1: there's some kind of cool things you know out there. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I love this one line that you
Speaker 1: were quoted saying not working makes me nervous. I do
Speaker 1: enjoy my tour, so to be honest, Yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I've learned. I said, you know what, something will come
Speaker 1: and it's up to me to keep plugging away and
Speaker 1: talking to my agents, my managers and I find the
Speaker 1: best thing that we can find. But in the meantime,
Speaker 1: I'm having a great time with my son. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm doing my gardening and boxing, you know what's like that,
Speaker 1: and I love that kind of stuff. Kyle McGlaughlin David
Speaker 1: Lynch's go to leading man. I'm Alec Baldwin and you're
Speaker 1: listening to Here's the Thing, Paul, to make the baby
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