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Speaker 2: It seems the lesson of the day is don't mess

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Speaker 2: with the New Hampshire Federation of Republican Women, especially when

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Speaker 2: it comes to the Lilac Luncheon. I think we've established

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Speaker 2: that since we've been on the air. It happened today.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, a former president, was the keynote speaker. Ron

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Speaker 2: DeSantis was not. The former governor of Florida was towns

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Speaker 2: away about an hour drive in Hollis, New Hampshire, where

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Speaker 2: he held what's being framed as a competing town hall. Now,

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Speaker 2: the Federation is the largest, or claims to be the

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Speaker 2: largest group conservative women in New Hampshire. And if you're

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Speaker 2: trying to get the UH the nomination, you want to

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Speaker 2: win New Hampshire, it's kind of import and to win

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Speaker 2: them over you can add a little salt the wound.

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Speaker 2: Here in new numbers from Saint Anselm, Donald Trump forty seven,

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Speaker 2: DeSantis nineteen, and then it's off a cliff to single

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Speaker 2: digits from there, Chris Christie six, Nikki Haley five, Tim

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Speaker 2: Scott four. Mike Pence is pulling in two points here,

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Speaker 2: tied with Ramaswami, Hutchinson and Bergham. The lay of the

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Speaker 2: land out today according to Saint Anselm and I'm glad

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Speaker 2: to say we're joined by Chris Galderi, political science professor

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Speaker 2: at Saint Anselm College. Chris, it's been too long. I

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Speaker 2: appreciate having you back here on Bloomberg Radio. Am I

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Speaker 2: making too much out of the dueling speeches here? What

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's a big state. You know,

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Speaker 3: there's enough room for two events at the same time.

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Speaker 3: But I think this really, you know, addresses the issue

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Speaker 3: that DeSantis has had. He has just really struggled to

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Speaker 3: get any sort of tre action since he became a candidate,

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Speaker 3: and with this sort of thing, it's just, you know,

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Speaker 3: you're irritating, as you said, a large group of conservative

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Speaker 3: women voters, and of course that makes it easy fodder

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Speaker 3: for Trump to attack him for that. Why is he here?

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Speaker 3: Why is he down in Hollis, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: And you know, DeSantis really just does not seem to

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Speaker 2: So far, well not in your states. Certainly, he's down

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Speaker 3: It's a huge drop. And remember this is somebody who's

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Speaker 3: been set up for the last you know, three or

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Speaker 3: four years as the you know, the Trump slayer candidate,

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Speaker 3: the guy who is going to ride in and rescue

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Speaker 3: the Republican Party from you know, all of the headaches

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Speaker 2: So there we are. So the Saint Anselm College Survey Center,

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Speaker 2: But it's interesting. Listen to Rod DeSantis from earlier today

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Speaker 4: And I remember these rallies in twenty sixteen. It was exciting.

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Speaker 2: Chris kel Dari, let's go local here, because the knock

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Speaker 2: You know that you're actually you light up when you

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Speaker 3: It certainly hurts, you know, I don't think the primary

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Speaker 3: they want to get some of that experience themselves, right,

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Speaker 3: they feel like, you know, there should be some excitement

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Speaker 2: What a way to make a living. Chris, you mentioned

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Speaker 2: Chris Christy, who's really zeroed in on New Hampshire. That's

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Speaker 2: I know we've been hearing from some others Will Hurd's

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Speaker 3: at is nine percent. That's how much Bill Weld got

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Speaker 2: This is so you've basically made it like you've made

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Speaker 2: a Christy Hutchinson ticket already, Chris, I guess so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, New Jersey, Arkansas that try connection.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I guess he's going to stay there. Tell

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Speaker 2: us lastly, I've only got thirty seconds here, which I

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Speaker 2: know you always love to throw a question at you.

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Speaker 2: But the Republican primary is fixed. When's the Democratic primary

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Speaker 3: Uh, the state is going to hold the Democratic primary

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Speaker 2: Get disqualified at the convention.

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Speaker 3: That's what it looks like is going happen. You know,

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Speaker 3: But right now the state party in the national Party

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Speaker 3: are engaged in a high stakes game of chicken.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so far, nobody's blanked. And I thought I'd be

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Speaker 2: able to come up to manach Vegas twice. Chris. Great

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Speaker 2: to have you come back again. Let's stay close as

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Speaker 2: we get ever closer to the primary in the Granite State.

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Speaker 2: Chris Calderi, political science professor at Saint Ansel College, is

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Speaker 2: The headline on the terminal says it all. Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: rejects GOP backstate judge election role. As we wonder what

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Speaker 2: could have been in the impact of this ruling. Today

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Speaker 2: another opinion day for the Supreme Court. We assembled the panel.

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Speaker 2: Jeanie Shanzano and Rick Davis are with us Bloomberg Politics contributors. Rick,

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Speaker 2: this came from a Republican effort in North Carolina would

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Speaker 2: have really changed the rules here. And as someone who

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Speaker 2: I think has spoken articulately and consistently about election denying

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Speaker 2: and getting beyond this phase in our country, I'm guessing

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Speaker 2: you see this as a good day in the Court.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think this speaks to the whole issue

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Speaker 5: around jerrymandering, right, which was the core of this case.

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Speaker 5: And I think that it's really impressive to me that

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Speaker 5: the Supreme Court one didn't just declare it moot like

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Speaker 5: the minority wanted it to, because the state court changed

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Speaker 5: in there and they didn't call it moot. They said

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Speaker 5: this is an important precedent, and they said the federal

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Speaker 6: You know, I don't think it makes it more difficult.

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Speaker 2: Statement from Barack Obama on this I found interesting on

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I do think that's right. I think

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Speaker 2: So that means we still have a couple of big ones.

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Speaker 7: I mean, Well, with Millie, let me see that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's an indictment that Donald Trump can

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Speaker 2: Does this change anything in the case now that you've

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Speaker 6: You know, I think it's you know, we did it

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Speaker 2: Well, we have a lot more to talk about there,

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Speaker 2: Dueling speeches today in New Hampshire, with new numbers on

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Speaker 7: This is the continuation of the greatest witch hunt of

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Speaker 7: all time. That's all it is. And its primary purpose

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Speaker 7: is election interference. And we're not going to let this

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Speaker 2: Change to soon on this one, on this day that

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Speaker 4: I remember these rallies in twenty sixteen. It was exciting,

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Speaker 4: Drain the swamp. I also remember lock her up, lock

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Speaker 2: All right, So there you have, with new numbers like

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Speaker 2: really doesn't matter at this point. Let's reassemble a panel

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Speaker 2: for their take on what's happening specifically here at this

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Speaker 2: Politics contributors. Genie, it sounds like, well number one, Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump is never gonna walk away from this twenty twenty election,

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Speaker 2: and Ronda Santis seems to be creeping a little bit

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Speaker 2: closer to the liners.

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Speaker 6: It just me he does, although I noted today in

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Speaker 6: his remarks he says, you know, if the elections about

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Speaker 6: Biden's failures will win, but if we're relitigating twenty, we lose.

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Speaker 6: And yet he never as far as I could tell,

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Speaker 6: mentions Donald Trump's my name, and that is partly a problem.

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Speaker 6: He also says he agrees with Trump on NATO. He's

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Speaker 6: previously agreed to pardon January sixth of rioters, so you

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Speaker 6: know that's a problem. And the Saint Anselom poll, but

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Speaker 6: Desanta's down ten points, Trump is up five, So no

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Speaker 6: wonder he keeps talking about his indictment very proudly, because

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Speaker 6: his poll numbers keep rising the more he talks about it.

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Speaker 2: Is it as simple as that, Rick, The indictments still,

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Speaker 2: at least so far good for business.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's hard to argue that the indictment

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Speaker 5: hasn't buoyed him, circled the wagons, caused his base to

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Speaker 5: become even more intensely supportive of him. And we know

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Speaker 5: there's weakness there. When people are asked, you know, do

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Speaker 5: they want other options? Half the party says yes, but

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Speaker 5: it's not really reflected in these numbers. So part of

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Speaker 5: it is that there's nobody who's really offering a choice.

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Speaker 5: And as Geni points out, you know, when you've got

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Speaker 5: the number one contender right now, Ron DeSantis, who won't

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Speaker 5: even use the guy's name, in a speech. It really

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Speaker 5: hasn't drawing the contrast that you would traditionally draw in

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Speaker 5: a camp.

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Speaker 2: Would you tell him to start calling out the former president?

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Speaker 1: Rick?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 5: I think every single one of these guys has to

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Speaker 5: think in terms of who's leading the pack, and if

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Speaker 5: I can't raise my numbers, then I better start lowering his.

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Speaker 5: And the only way you're going to lower his is

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Speaker 5: to go after them directly. So he's certainly vulnerable. He's

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Speaker 5: a flip flopper, he's you know, didn't deliver a lot,

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Speaker 5: He's lost three elections.

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Speaker 1: In a row.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's plenty of material to use on this guy.

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Speaker 5: And the fact that everyone's cord of nibbling around the

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Speaker 5: edges means they're going to lose all right, all over

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Speaker 5: the edges.

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Speaker 2: Also, what do you make of that ten point drop

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Speaker 2: you referred to for Ron DeSantis here, Genie. I know

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Speaker 2: it's early, and I know it's noisy, but he had

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Speaker 2: just spent a bunch of time in New Hampshire. He

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Speaker 2: was kind of going back through the early States after

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Speaker 2: his official campaign announcement that may or may not have

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Speaker 2: even been necessary because everybody assumed he was running. But

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Speaker 2: why the precipitous declimb.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think he's had some stumbles, is probably

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Speaker 6: the best way to put it. In New Hampshire, he's

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Speaker 6: tried to answer questions, he was accused of not answering them.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if Rick agrees because he's done this

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Speaker 6: so much, but I thought this was sort of a

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Speaker 6: self inflicted wound. I understand the women's group. You know,

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Speaker 6: maybe it's crazy they're upset that he schedules in the

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Speaker 6: morning and Trump is speaking, But if you know New Hampshire,

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Speaker 6: that's not a group you want to upset. They usually

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Speaker 6: remain neutral. Why would his team and I don't even

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Speaker 6: blame DeSantis for this, why would his team schedule then

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Speaker 6: is a bit at least not check with them before.

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Speaker 6: So I think we're seeing some of that he should.

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Speaker 6: You know, we would like our candidates to have the

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Speaker 6: time to grow on the campaign trail, but this thing

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Speaker 6: Trump is running away with so at this point, I'm

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Speaker 6: not sure how much time he's going to have to

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Speaker 6: grow if he keeps going down.

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Speaker 2: Boy, don't mess with the Lilac luncheon. If you didn't

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Speaker 2: hear about this, you pointed us there, Genie, the New

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Speaker 2: Hampshire Federation of Republican Women. Donald Trump was speaking to

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Speaker 2: them earlier today. Apparently got very upset when Ron DeSantis

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Speaker 2: scheduled a competing speech on the I say competing, when

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Speaker 2: he scheduled a speech on the same day in New Hampshire. Now,

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Speaker 2: to be exact, their appearances had different star times. They

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Speaker 2: were removed by several hours. The towns are about an

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Speaker 2: hour apart. Rick. That is, no one knows New Hampshire,

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Speaker 2: to Genie's point better than you. Rick, was that a

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Speaker 2: faux pas?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a major faux pas. I mean, do not

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Speaker 5: rub the wrong way the New Hampshire Federation of Republican Women.

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Speaker 5: I think they're wonderful and I would never do anything

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Speaker 5: that we're all opposite them, and I don't think any

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Speaker 5: candidate should. And the idea that they punch him in

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Speaker 5: the face over and then he said, oh, I'm in

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Speaker 5: a different part of the state.

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Speaker 2: You'll get along just fine.

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Speaker 5: And it's not a reasonable approach if you're trying to

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Speaker 5: be political, and of course he's running for the nomination,

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Speaker 5: so he's being political. It doesn't do any good to say, hey,

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Speaker 5: you've already sold out the place. I won't be a problem.

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Speaker 5: When they say you're a problem, you actually have to

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Speaker 5: do something about it. And I guarantee you this event

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Speaker 5: in Hollis is not worth the grief that he is

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Speaker 5: god because of you know, programming against the Lilac Lunch

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Speaker 5: and the Republican Federation of Republican Women.

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Speaker 2: We need a menu from the Lilac Lunch and Genie.

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Speaker 2: I want to know a little bit more about what's

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Speaker 2: going on in there today. Ron de Santis means I

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Speaker 2: was at a town hall. He had to endure voter

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Speaker 2: questions on top of a genie.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right. And you know, first of all, the

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Speaker 6: Lilac Lady, we love them, and I'm sure they had

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Speaker 6: a lovely lunch. And yet you know, he had to

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Speaker 6: endure questions. It's something he's got get used to because famously,

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Speaker 6: obviously he's governor of Florida, but he doesn't take a

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Speaker 6: lot of questions. He doesn't like to from the press

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Speaker 6: in particular, but in this case he's got to take

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Speaker 6: him from voters and IIU wan New Hampshire on the

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Speaker 6: ground retail politics. He's got to get better.

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Speaker 2: At it, all right. Pulling Rick and Jeanie into a

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Speaker 2: hot controversy in New York. Coming up, Rick Davis and

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Speaker 2: Jeanie Shanzo our political panel. I'm Joe Matthew in Washington.

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Speaker 2: nothing like the controversy being cooked up now in New

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Speaker 2: York City, place more closely associated with pizza than anywhere

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Speaker 2: in the world after Naples, right, the oldest, most iconic

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Speaker 2: pizzeria is in the city. Of course, use coal, if

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Speaker 2: not wood, to create their magic. But those old coal

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Speaker 2: ovens apparently may be at risk, as the city's Department

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Speaker 2: of Environmental Protection drafts rules that would require pizzerias with

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Speaker 2: coal and wooden fire ovens to cut their carbon emissions

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Speaker 2: by seventy five percent. Yeah, this is real, and those

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Speaker 2: pizzeria owners are not happy throwing pizzas over the gates

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Speaker 2: of City Hall and under Mayor Eric Adams front lawn.

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Speaker 5: The public way in.

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Speaker 4: Without throwing pizza over my gate, they could have.

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Speaker 1: Delivered me the pie.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 7: It allowed me to eat the pie and sat into

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Speaker 7: the cow and have a conversation with me.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm going to call the person.

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Speaker 2: Through piece over my gate not gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: To tell him he needs to bring a vegan pie too.

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Speaker 2: Something tells me that is not going to happen. Though

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Speaker 2: out outside City Hall.

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Speaker 1: A Boston tea party.

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Speaker 2: Yep, well this is the Boston, New York. This is

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Speaker 2: the New York pizza party. Pizza party.

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Speaker 1: Give us pizza, Well, give us death.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I'm talking about. He starts throwing pizza

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Speaker 2: over the gates. Rick Davis and Genie Shanzano, this is

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Speaker 2: this is the kind of thing, the kind of controversy

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Speaker 2: you can really sink your teeth into. Genie, You're in

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Speaker 2: New York. What's going on here? Is this real?

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Speaker 4: Ill?

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Speaker 6: I will just repeat what the New York Post said,

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Speaker 6: MoMA Mia. It has been bad here, Joe Matthew, people

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Speaker 6: are throwing pizza. Nothing gets New Yorkers to, you know,

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Speaker 6: upset like this. It's the rhetoric is heightened.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 6: Even Elon Musk has gotten in on this. I won't

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Speaker 6: repeat what he had to say. So the mayor is trying.

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Speaker 6: He keeps telling us, pizza makes you happy. Let's just

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Speaker 6: do it in a way that's not toxic.

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Speaker 2: So do you like that? You like the mayor's tactic, Dereck,

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Speaker 2: would you invite him over the house.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd invite him over the house, but I'd give

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Speaker 5: him some flexibility on the vegan order. Come on, vegan pizza?

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Speaker 2: Who does unless it's a margarita pizzas twice? Just think

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Speaker 2: that's fair, right, Rick and Genie thank you as always,

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Speaker 2: Rick Davis and Genie Schanzano or signature panel here on

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Speaker 2: sound On. You won't hear stories with punch or analysis

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Speaker 2: with vigor like this anywhere else. And yeah, I know

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Speaker 2: now we all want pizza. Thanks for listening to the

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