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Speaker 1: All right, second hour, Clay and Buck kicks off. Now,

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Speaker 1: we have been updating you and doing some expert analysis

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Speaker 1: courtesy of all of you incredible brain trust of this audience.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get to some more of that here

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Speaker 1: in a moment with pilots both fixed wing and rotary

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Speaker 1: pilots are calling in to tell us what they think

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Speaker 1: happened is horrible disaster.

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Speaker 2: Over sixty killed in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: In this plane crash, plane colliding with a Blackhawk helicopter.

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Speaker 1: President Trump speaking about it this morning. We're going to

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Speaker 1: go back into that in the second but also this hour,

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Speaker 1: the toll Sia Gabbard confirmation hearing will be underway, the

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Speaker 1: Cash Patel hearing already underway this morning, and some interesting

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Speaker 1: moves on the illegal alien front, including the possibility of

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Speaker 1: opening Clay, I'm sure you saw this. A thirty thousand

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Speaker 1: person facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba for those who are

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Speaker 1: going to be held pending their deportation to their actual

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Speaker 1: country of nationality. Instead of a remain in Mexico for

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Speaker 1: assy lees, this is remain in Cuba for some very bad,

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Speaker 1: as Trump has said, some very bad ombres, some very

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Speaker 1: bad individuals, who are possibly going to be sent back

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Speaker 1: to their country of origin. So we will we will

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Speaker 1: the country of origin. We will dive into that. But

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Speaker 1: first up, yeah, the hearings, we're going to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: We've got some pilots here, Gary in California, retired airline

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Speaker 1: captain wants to weigh in here. Gary, tell us what

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Speaker 1: you know, what you've seen so far.

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Speaker 3: The helicopter was cleared to maintain two hundred feet. The

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Speaker 3: collision happened at about four hundred feet. The HEMO pilot

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Speaker 3: was two hundred feet off his assigned out to. More Over,

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Speaker 3: the helicopter pilot accepted responsibility to visually maintain separation and

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Speaker 3: pass behind the passenger jet. This collision is one percent

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Speaker 3: on the helicopter pilot or going deeper, in my opinion,

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Speaker 3: a stupid procedure that would even allow a helicopter to

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Speaker 3: pass visually under an airliner relying on visual separation at night.

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Speaker 3: In no way was the American Airlines pilot expected to

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Speaker 3: see and avoid another aircraft while on short final He's

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Speaker 3: got his hands full just getting all that iron on

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Speaker 3: the ground without bending the metal and running into another aircraft.

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Speaker 3: This is key to the collision. Our eyes at night

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Speaker 3: are not reliable. In USAFE pilot training, an instructor moved

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Speaker 3: he turned out the lights and said, tell me if

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Speaker 3: the lights moving right left ba. So we yelled out

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Speaker 3: right left, bla blah blah. They turned the lights on.

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Speaker 3: The instructor had put the red light on the podium.

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Speaker 3: The red light had never moved, and yet we were

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Speaker 3: out there. We were saying we saw it move right,

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Speaker 3: we saw it move left.

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Speaker 4: Let me ask you this. You say that the helicopter

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Speaker 4: should have been at two hundred feet, Why do you

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Speaker 4: think the helicopter pilot would have been at four hundred feet.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a helicopter pilot, only written in one a

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Speaker 3: couple of times when I objected and got rescued from

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Speaker 3: the forest, and I have no idea. I do know

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Speaker 3: that I've read that it was a new pilot getting

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Speaker 3: a local orientation training flight.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for this call. That was fantastic, Buck.

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Speaker 4: We got a bunch of people who went away in

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Speaker 4: Steve and Traverse City, Michigan. You're a delta pilot. You

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Speaker 4: just heard what Gary in California. A retired airline captain

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Speaker 4: had to say, does that square with some of your

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Speaker 2: What stands out to you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, hey, guys, Yeah it is. Yeah, it's I don't

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Speaker 5: in the CRJ nine hundred, which is the Cousin airplane

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Speaker 5: to the CRJ seven hundred, about seven thousand hours in

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Speaker 5: hundreds of times. They would have been on the Mount

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Speaker 5: But are you still with me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me tell me.

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Speaker 4: In particular, I've heard a lot of people talking about

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Speaker 2: Is it a more challenging I understand it's a shorter.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's flown in there in the seven fifty seven also,

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Speaker 5: and the helicopter was coming in from the north. Now

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Speaker 5: puts me the onerus on the Like the last caller

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Speaker 5: just said, the onerus is on the helicopter pilot coming

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Speaker 5: from the south, he had been given a command to

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Speaker 1: From just a firm a civilian perspective, it would seem

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Speaker 1: that the plane would have the right of way here.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, you got to get the

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Speaker 5: Landing aircraft, yeah, landing aircraft fully configured, they are vulnerable,

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Speaker 5: so they have a right of way in one sense

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Speaker 5: normal flight, so you would have more maneuverability. Plus there's

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Speaker 1: Right in that DC airspace. You know, it's very tightly

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Speaker 1: compacted and regimented. Thank you so much, sir for calling in.

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Speaker 1: Let's get Aaron in Indiana. He worked on Blackhawks and

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Speaker 1: can talk about some of the specifics of that airframe.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 6: Hi, Hey, good morning to do what I mean, so

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Speaker 6: tell us what you think?

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Speaker 7: Hey, thank you?

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Speaker 6: Thanks. Yeh see, yeah, that was a full time technician

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Speaker 6: also the night vision goggles that that the police and

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Speaker 4: Thank you for the call, John and Florida. You flew

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Speaker 4: leaving the military. What is your analysis of what you

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Speaker 4: have seen so far? You say like you have experienced

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Speaker 7: I do, okay, So I was over six and a

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Speaker 7: half years active duty as a human pilot in the seventies,

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Speaker 7: dint nine years reserve. I've listened to the comments about

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Speaker 7: people that have a lot more experience than I have.

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Speaker 7: But here's and I heard the comment about the night

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Speaker 7: vision goggles. First of all, they said the helicopter was

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Speaker 7: on a training mission. What kind of training was it

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Speaker 7: I've crossed over active runways before, but you can only

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Speaker 7: do that if air traffic control gives you permission, and

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Speaker 7: there's nobody in the pattern, and so evidently this helicopter

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Speaker 7: you're denied, you have to go around, or you have

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Speaker 1: Well, it seems seems increasingly likely from whatever one was saying,

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Speaker 1: And thank you for calling in sharing sharing your expertise

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Speaker 1: on this, But Clay, there has been no indication so

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Speaker 1: there's definitely no indication of intent. But I'm I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: what happened recently with the wasn't it that that tale

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Speaker 2: Was that in cru Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And I think they they've had a bunch of stuff

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Speaker 4: like there was pilot error here. And and you know,

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Speaker 4: we don't know any specifics on it, but we're going

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Speaker 4: bottom of it. Bob and Burlington, you're also a pilot.

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 5: Bob?

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Speaker 8: Hey, Thanks very much. I just wanted to amplify on

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Speaker 8: one of your previous callers, Gary Uh, concerning the communications problem.

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Speaker 8: As a civil pilot, I've noticed on all FAA sectional

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Speaker 8: charts that every major airport has two frequencies, usually for

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Speaker 8: tower and approach. One of them is dedicated only to

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Speaker 8: military aircraft and the others for Seville aircraft. Now having

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Speaker 8: there may be a communications problem here. If the military

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Speaker 8: that there's traffic in the way. And visually, I guess

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Speaker 8: I also looked at some of the footage it looked

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Speaker 8: that was coming out of there when they were coming in.

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Speaker 8: I can understand ground clutter and the visibility factor not

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Speaker 8: me how that's resolved out Does the military frequency dispatcher

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Speaker 8: and the civilian frequency dispatcher know who's listening to who?

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's a great question.

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Speaker 4: And there are some air traffic control audio that is

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Speaker 1: I remember, just randomly, I was invited, you know, back

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Speaker 1: Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We were telling you

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Speaker 1: that the hearings are underway right now for FBI Director

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Speaker 1: And we can say this so far, I think it's

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Speaker 11: This is maybe one of the scenarios that most uniquely

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Speaker 11: the victim of government overreach and a weaponized system of justice.

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Speaker 12: And law enforcement.

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Speaker 13: I know what it feels like to have the full

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Speaker 13: I will ensure, if confirmed, that no American is subjected

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Speaker 12: Is like I was because of government overreach.

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Speaker 1: He was somebody who in the early days it was,

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Speaker 1: along with Devin Nuness in Congress, was finding out the

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Speaker 1: I should say, the misuse of it, and all of

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Speaker 1: bring the truth about Russia Gate to light. I do

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Speaker 1: think that makes him uniquely qualified. You can't have someone

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Speaker 1: things are going great at the top here.

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Speaker 2: This is a wonderful institution that's functioning really well.

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Speaker 1: You need somebody who goes in there ready to crack

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Speaker 2: Okay, tough question.

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Speaker 4: Cash, I think is going to get confirmed. He's going

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Speaker 4: to become the next director of the FBI. Both you

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Speaker 4: and I are happy about that. How much can the

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Speaker 4: at the upper levels of bureaucracy is to some degree

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Speaker 1: I think that he can set I think he can

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Speaker 1: It's it's funny. I've never worked the FBI. I dealt

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Speaker 1: You know, CIA, which I think is overlawyered and over bureaucratized.

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Speaker 2: Not really, but that's what we like to pretend.

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Speaker 4: But so if you are, just if you're listening to

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Speaker 4: You think CIA has more autonomy to fight bad guys

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Speaker 1: Oh well, totally different mission sets. I mean one is

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Speaker 1: I mean. Stuff stuff can happen overseas. It's not really

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Speaker 1: but not really a national domestic intelligence service. You put

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Speaker 1: me onto the show Slow Horses, which I've been watching.

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Speaker 1: say the show is very well done, well paced. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: that's about I five, which is British domestic intelligence service

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Speaker 1: find me a European country for the most part, and

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Speaker 1: they have some domestic and sometimes it's a combination of

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Speaker 1: their federal police equivalent. My point is the FBI is

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Speaker 1: not an intelligence is not It's part of the intelligence community,

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Speaker 1: but it's not truly a domestic intelligence agency because they

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Speaker 1: have to always be able to justify everything legally and

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Speaker 1: bring a case against somebody, right, I mean, if you're

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Speaker 1: doing stuff, you know, intelligence gathering sometimes goes outside of

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Speaker 1: constitutional protection abroad and here at home. It did when

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Speaker 1: it came to Donald Trump. And that's really the key

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Speaker 1: point that Cash I think is trying to hammer home

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Speaker 1: in much of his is that the FBI acted like

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Speaker 1: a domestic regime intelligence service specifically to go after Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump and to try and undermine him. Here Cash is

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Speaker 1: talking about the importance here this is cut nine of

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Speaker 1: due process and the rule of law in all of this.

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Speaker 11: For the first eight years after law school, I served

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Speaker 11: as a public defender, first for Miami Dade County and later.

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Speaker 12: For the Southern District of Florida.

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Speaker 11: During that time, I represented some pretty awful human beings

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Speaker 11: charged with some pretty heinous crimes.

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Speaker 12: But what I learned there was the core.

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Speaker 14: Value that has been enshrined in me since that due

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Speaker 14: process must be provided without bias to all Americans. And

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Speaker 14: if we cannot provide due process to the worst, then

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Speaker 14: there can be no due process for anyone, and our

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Speaker 14: constitutional republic fails.

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Speaker 1: I believe Clay that the weaponization of the law of

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Speaker 1: law enforcement of prosecution is one of the fastest ways

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Speaker 1: to truly destroy this country. I think that Law Fair

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Speaker 1: against Trump took us into not only unprecedented territory, but

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Speaker 1: uniquely dangerous territory for the future of this country. It's

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Speaker 1: complete and utter defeat and collapse at Trump's feet is

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Speaker 1: incredibly important for America. I would really worry about our

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Speaker 1: future going forward if they had been successful in the

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Speaker 1: Lawfair against Trump. But I think Cash comes to this

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Speaker 1: and says we can never allow that to happen. Again though,

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Speaker 1: because the next time if that happens, if the elements

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Speaker 1: of politicization, the deep state, whatever you want to call it,

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Speaker 1: are successful in taking out a presidential candidate, this then

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Speaker 1: becomes the norm and we don't actually have free and

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Speaker 1: fair elections. I also think the key here for Cash

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Speaker 1: is so many lies were embedded in our justice system

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Speaker 1: during Joe Biden's tenure. Just the idea that white supremacy,

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Speaker 1: as they regularly said, was the number one threat in

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Speaker 1: America is so laughably absurd that the problem then becomes

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Speaker 1: And we've talked about this, Buck, as you well know,

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Speaker 1: the best way to get promoted inside of these big

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Speaker 1: bureaucracies is to deliver what your bosses tell you is

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Speaker 1: the biggest problem to them on a silver platter, right,

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Speaker 1: because that makes them look good because then they can

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Speaker 1: go to their bosses and they say, you know what,

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Speaker 1: you were right. We caught a white supremacist and this

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Speaker 1: is gonna I mean, look at what happened with the

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Speaker 1: Gretchen Whitmer case. They basically got a bunch of dudes

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Speaker 1: and tried to entrap them into doing something that I

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Speaker 1: think if you look at all the evidence there, they

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Speaker 1: would have never thought of doing themselves, but for the

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Speaker 1: FBI's involvement to try to encourage them to engage in

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Speaker 1: a criminal act. Entrapman is a tough defense, but based

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Speaker 1: on the evidence there, it seems some of the jury

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Speaker 1: did buy into the idea that this was just a

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Speaker 1: government plot, and they managed to convince some guys who

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Speaker 1: were not that sophisticated in the arts of kidnapping and

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Speaker 1: engaging in domestic terrorism to try and have conversations about

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Speaker 1: that then led to charges. My point on it is

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Speaker 1: if Cash just gets in and says, hey, my new

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Speaker 1: focus is, let's just catch a lot of bad guys,

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Speaker 1: which is what when you were growing up and when

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Speaker 1: I was growing up with the FBI, what were they

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Speaker 1: most want, most known for the FBI's most Wanted list,

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Speaker 1: right like you would go. I remember touring the FBI

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Speaker 1: and it was like, hey, we're trying to catch the

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Speaker 1: biggest bad guys in America, and we all rooted for them.

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Speaker 1: And now I saw Cash And in his testimony today

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Speaker 1: pointed out there's a forty percent approval rating of the FBI.

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Speaker 1: Now forty percent that's got to be healed. Yes, Well, well,

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Speaker 1: when you when you see FBI, and this has been

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Speaker 1: seen on video, That's what I mean. I don't mean

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Speaker 1: it's sort of generally seen. I mean you can actually

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Speaker 1: watch when you see FBI agents deployed to go and

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Speaker 1: question and or arrest peaceful pro life activists, When you

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Speaker 1: see FBI tactical teams deployed to go arrest nonviolent J

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Speaker 1: six protesters. When you see that, you can't forget it,

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Speaker 1: and you shouldn't forget it, because that is a lot

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Speaker 1: of us want to think. The FBI's resources should be

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Speaker 1: deployed to stopping people who are doing really bad things

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Speaker 1: that are federal crimes. And it should be you know,

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Speaker 1: top down, who's who's murdering, Who's who's you know, abusing

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Speaker 1: trafficking children, who's part of drug cartels? You know, who's

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Speaker 1: ripping people off of the of their life savings and

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Speaker 1: uh and you know, trying to try to get away

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Speaker 1: with it, you know, through scams or whatever. That's what

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Speaker 1: the FBI should be doing to go speak to and

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Speaker 1: speak I mean, they're they're really interrogating, like I have

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Speaker 1: you do you know the video I'm talking about where

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Speaker 1: the Pro life active is vide a. The FBI guys

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Speaker 1: walking up to their door.

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Speaker 4: I think that was in my home state of Tennessee,

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Speaker 4: if I'm not mistaken, when they show up at the house,

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Speaker 4: and like I mean, on some level, that's got to

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Speaker 4: be embarrassing. I would think for the FBI agents. I

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Speaker 4: don't think anybody showed up to work at the FBI

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Speaker 4: to do what those guys did.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but it just goes they were told by their boss,

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Speaker 1: who was told by his or her boss, and so

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Speaker 1: on all the way up by the big boss of

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Speaker 1: the FBI. Biden hates pro life activists go do this.

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Speaker 1: That's basically what went down, and that's the kind of

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Speaker 1: stuff that makes people say, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, we all we all love when the.

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Speaker 1: FBI shows up and and you know, it's like the

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Speaker 1: cavalry arrives in the TV show, because the FBI guys,

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Speaker 1: the windbreakers show up to get the you know, the

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Speaker 1: drug cartel kingpin who's been you know, executing people and

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Speaker 1: hanging them from bridges and stuff. We all know what

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Speaker 1: we want the FBI doing, and I know there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of guys and gals in the FBI who.

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Speaker 2: Were doing it. But cash going in is a I think.

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Speaker 1: A necessary corrective to what we've been seeing in recent years,

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Speaker 1: I mean even the and this is from the Attorney

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Speaker 1: General side, which is obviously gonna be Paan Bondi. But

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Speaker 1: remember they were talking about the parents showing up at

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Speaker 1: the COVID meetings and how they were on some list.

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Speaker 2: You know, Merrit carl I was one of them.

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Speaker 4: Buck, Remember they were investigating the FBI was the school

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Speaker 4: board meetings because a lot of parents like me showed

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Speaker 4: up and said we don't want our kids wearing masks,

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Speaker 4: and there was some harassment of the pro mask community

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Speaker 4: outside of the outside.

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Speaker 2: Of the hearing.

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Speaker 4: That was back in August of twenty one, Buck, right

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Speaker 4: after we came on the air, and I remember calling

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Speaker 4: you right after and saying, there's a lot of momentum

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Speaker 4: out here finally to stand up against the COVID tyranny.

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Speaker 4: And that to me was a gratifying moment to see rational,

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Speaker 4: reasonable parents out there finally saying our kids can't sit

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Speaker 4: around in masks all day. It took to August of

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Speaker 4: twenty one for really kind of this thing to pop

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Speaker 4: in my community.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you were apparently a radical anti mask extremist. Might

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Speaker 1: have been on some FBI watched list. Clay he shall

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Speaker 1: not mask. He shall not mask.

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Speaker 2: To me too, I hated masking. We were worrying about

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Speaker 2: all that. By the way, it kind of matters.

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Speaker 1: That's true, I know, and you know, you know how

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Speaker 1: many apologies I've gotten from people, both in my personal

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Speaker 2: Were just like, how could you? Masks are saving so

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Speaker 2: many lives?

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Speaker 1: Zero, not one? And I remember some of you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't even want to talk to them. Well they do,

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Speaker 1: They're like little babies.

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Speaker 2: It was the best information we had at the time.

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Speaker 1: No, it wasn't. I was the best information. You were

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Speaker 4: I mean, it wasn't that complicated of an issue, but

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Speaker 1: It for a while, that was masking. Okay, the whole

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Speaker 2: All this is gonna be some There's gonna be.

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Speaker 1: Some Texans making an Alamo clay flute playing memes.

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Speaker 2: Now, it's definitely happened.

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Speaker 4: The Alamo would be a tough one alongside of Santa Anna.

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Speaker 4: Fun fact on Santa Anna Buck he lost a leg

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Speaker 4: in a battle and would go visit his leg, which

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Speaker 4: was put in like a pure like whatever you would

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Speaker 4: you would preservative I guess back in the day because

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Speaker 4: he missed his leg. Kind of a weird dude, Santa

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Speaker 4: Anna from aldehyde. What do you put your leg in

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Speaker 4: back in the day, That's a great question.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: In the eighteen thirties, what would they have put the

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Speaker 4: leg in to not allow it to completely disintegrate or whatever.

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Speaker 4: He had his leg amputated and would visit it, probably

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Speaker 4: for mild to hyde. That's like the guy Lord Stanley,

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Speaker 4: I think. Wasn't it Stanley who they pickled and put

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Speaker 4: into the barrel after he died on the ship and

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Speaker 4: then brought him back to England so they could bury him.

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Speaker 2: I got a lot of esoteric.

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Speaker 1: And from aldehyde was discovered in eighteen fifty nine by

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Speaker 1: Russian chemist Alexander Mikhailovich.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it was just alcohol. I don't know what they

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