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Speaker 3: What's so funny? Here we go.

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Speaker 1: It's our two, Greg co Sell around the corner. You know,

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Speaker 1: yesterday we spent a lot of time talking about Bill

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Speaker 1: Belichick and Robert Kraft. This sounds crazy to say, but

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Speaker 1: I absolutely firmly believe what I'm about to say. Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady's underrated. I said it. Think about this. This is

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Speaker 1: not to discredit Belichick, whom you all believe and I

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Speaker 1: think I probably do, is the best coach in the

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Speaker 1: history of the NFL. So, Jimmy Johnson won a bunch

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Speaker 1: of Super Bowls with Troy Aikman. But even when Jimmy

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Speaker 1: went to Miami without Troy Aikman, who was in his prime.

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Speaker 1: With Jimmy, even with an old Dan Marino, Jimmy won

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Speaker 1: fifty six percent of his games in Miami, and Marino's

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Speaker 1: knees were shot, he couldn't move.

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Speaker 3: It was old grumpy Dan Marino.

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Speaker 1: In fact, Jimmy had a higher winning percentage, believe it

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Speaker 1: or not, in Miami without Akman. Joe Gibbs won a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl three different quarterbacks. Bill Parcells won a Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl with Phil Simms and Jeff Hostetler. Andy Reid wins

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Speaker 1: with every quarterback, got to a super Bowl with Donovan McNabb.

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Speaker 1: When you just pull Brady out of Belichick, he got

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Speaker 1: fired a lot and won forty five percent of his games.

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Speaker 1: And I think that speaks to how much Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: takes off the table. Belichick didn't have to worry about

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Speaker 1: negative plays and pre snap penalty and dumb interceptions.

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Speaker 3: Brady is underrated.

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Speaker 1: All these other Hall of Fame quarterback Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: coaches won with They didn't have to win super Bowls,

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Speaker 1: but they won. Kyle Shanahan got to a super Bowl

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Speaker 1: with Garoppolo. He gets he can get to a Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl or get to a conference championship with brock Perty.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just incredible.

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Speaker 1: I mean, John Harbaugh's winning with Lamar, He's winning with

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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 3: Andy Reid wins with everybody.

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Speaker 1: Belichick who we view as the greatest coach ever. You

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Speaker 1: just pulled Tom out. You can pull all these great

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Speaker 1: receivers he had out, you can pull Gronk out, you

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Speaker 1: can pull you pull Tom out. It all unfolds. It

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Speaker 1: just unravels and the house comes down. And I think

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Speaker 1: that speaks again winning percentage with Brady. Brady without Belichick

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Speaker 1: won sixty five percent of his games.

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Speaker 3: Brady wins everywhere. Bill without Tom forty five.

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Speaker 1: And this is to discredit Bill, but a lot of

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Speaker 1: these coaches they still had decent records. I mean, Mike

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Speaker 3: I mean Sean McDermott.

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Speaker 1: Got to the playoffs, you know, with Tyron Taylor considered

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Speaker 1: like a high end backup.

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Speaker 3: So and again this is nothing.

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Speaker 1: Discredit, but I think there are these occasional superstars that

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Speaker 1: you look at it and you're like, minutes, are we

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Speaker 1: giving them full credit for that?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Greg Cosell, we always give him credit. Forty six years.

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Speaker 1: NFL Films is joining us on Thursday. So like whenever

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Speaker 1: you have these coaching cycles, there's one or two that

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Speaker 1: feel like they'll work. John Harball with the Giants, you know,

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Speaker 1: they've got Jackson Dart keep them out of the blue tent.

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Speaker 1: They got some cap space, they have some nice pieces.

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Speaker 1: It feels like he's a nice cultural fit in New York.

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Speaker 1: And then there's some coaches. I don't know. Joe Brady,

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Speaker 1: he knows the system. Josh Allen's comfortable with Joe Brady.

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Speaker 1: What does Joe Brady do to the Buffalo offense that

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Speaker 1: feels like sort of his signature rag.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's funny, Colin, because do you ever really know

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Speaker 4: But I think coaches now get hired because they're really

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Speaker 4: And I think, you know, obviously in Buffalo, they've averaged

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Speaker 5: They have Josh Allen. It's funny.

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Speaker 4: I watch their tape and I feel like that they

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Speaker 4: need a more expansive pass game.

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Speaker 4: I understand that they don't have great receivers and maybe

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Speaker 4: got to scheme it up even more so, Look, they've

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Speaker 4: That's the bottom line. They've certainly developed a great run game.

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Speaker 4: I guess we haven't heard more about it, but it

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Speaker 4: seems as if Aaron Kromer has retired. If he has,

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Speaker 4: then obviously there's a change with your offensive line, because Chromer,

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Speaker 4: that continues at the same level. But you know, to me,

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Speaker 4: because they don't really attack in the past game the

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Speaker 1: What do we make of the Broncos and Rams fourth

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Speaker 1: down attempts. I don't mind going for it, especially if

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Speaker 1: Boe Nicks would have been starting. I'd feel more comfortable

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Speaker 1: than a backup going for it. But the old line

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Speaker 1: for Denver's good you were at home, whereas Stafford was

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Speaker 1: and it was fourth and four, not fourth and one.

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Speaker 3: What did you make of Peyton going fort a McVeagh.

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Speaker 4: I can only give you my opinion, and you know

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Speaker 4: that there's opinions about this, and people have different points

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Speaker 4: of view, and you can argue there's no right or wrong.

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Speaker 5: Maybe I'm old school in this look. That's the way

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Speaker 4: But my opinion is in tight playoff games, Colin, I

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Speaker 4: think when there are points to be taken, you've got

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Speaker 4: to take them.

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Speaker 5: That's just my sense.

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Speaker 4: I sort of believe the whole Bill Bill Parcells approach

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Speaker 4: and this is no knock on McVeigh. The guy's obviously brilliant.

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Speaker 4: That's not my point at all. This is not a

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Speaker 4: knock on coaches. I'm really just giving you my point

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Speaker 4: of view. But I think that if they had kicked

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Speaker 4: changes the play calling by Kubiak a little bit, because

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Speaker 4: now he knows that if the Rams get to the

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Speaker 4: And I think that just changes the feel of a game.

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Speaker 5: So that's just my point of view.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure analytics people would tell me I'm wrong, and

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Speaker 4: that's okay. You know, this is not something I argue

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk about New England before we

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Speaker 1: get to Seattle and the Rams in that game and

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. How much is Drake May the Patriots quarterback?

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Speaker 1: How much of his rushing ability his mobility factors into

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Speaker 1: the offense and play calling in your opinion.

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 4: Look, there's no coach that tells a quarterback on third

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Speaker 5: Very good at it.

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Speaker 4: And clearly the play we're looking at now is a

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Speaker 4: have a mobile quarterback you can do. Now we're looking

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Speaker 4: at some scrambles, and you know, I think it factors

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Speaker 4: in in a number of ways. Number One, you can

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Speaker 4: save bad plays in other words, if the defense wins tactically,

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Speaker 4: quarterback can save the play because of his mobility. And

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Speaker 4: then number two, then it impacts how a defense has

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Speaker 4: to play those critical high leverage downs third and seventh,

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Speaker 5: How do they play it?

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Speaker 4: Do they spy, which of course takes a player out

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Speaker 4: go about it? The Broncos did not spy. The Seahawks

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Speaker 4: have not shown that they're a spy team. And you know,

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Speaker 4: we'll talk more about that next week when we do

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Speaker 4: a preview. But I think it impacts the game in

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Speaker 4: multiple ways. And he's done that very very well this season,

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Speaker 4: and it's clearly something that we probably didn't think he

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Speaker 1: All Right, So Seattle's roster feels like it is more

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Speaker 1: complete than New England. That's why they're a favorite in

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl. And most people feel if it was

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Speaker 1: going to go sideways for one team, Seattle's just got

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Speaker 3: And length and speed and youth.

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Speaker 1: But yet Matt Stafford, the last couple times he played them,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what is that? Just Stafford?

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Speaker 1: Is that can you duplicate that if you're New England

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Speaker 4: Well, I think Stafford's pretty good and I think we'd

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Speaker 4: both agree with that. You know, it's funny just to

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Speaker 4: I really think that New England's defense is way better

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Speaker 4: have a lot of players, Colin, and again, I'm sure

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Speaker 4: you know, if you haven't, you'll do your top ten,

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Speaker 4: you know, with your players on each team. But I

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Speaker 4: think that New England on defense has better individual players

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Speaker 4: than people think they're They're just not household names, right,

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Speaker 4: you know, Like I think Milton Williams is a really

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Speaker 4: I think a Robert Splane. You know, we're certainly not

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Speaker 4: going to say he's Fred Warner, and I'm not suggesting

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Speaker 4: he's on his way to the Hall of Fame, but

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Speaker 4: he's a very very good player who for years has

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Speaker 4: been a three down player.

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Speaker 5: He was that way in Pittsburgh at the end of

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Speaker 5: his career. He was that way with the Raiders.

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Speaker 4: These are good players, and they're very good schematically and

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Speaker 4: that's a big deal on defense. So again, I'm not

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Speaker 4: gonna sit here and go We're not going to go

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Speaker 5: Entire roster of each team.

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Speaker 4: But I just think that New England on defense is

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Speaker 4: better than people give them credit for.

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Speaker 1: Listen, all year, I didn't like the Rams special teams,

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Speaker 1: but I also thought Carolina almost beat the Rams twice

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Speaker 1: because of their secondary. So when I asked Donald, literally

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Speaker 1: the Patriots secondary is long and twitchy Gonzales, it's athletic.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Donald's going to have a perfect Sunday

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Speaker 1: against New England. Is part of Donald's Sunday. Just listen.

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Speaker 1: It was a good matchup for Seattle. The Rams corners

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Speaker 1: are kind of bottom third of the league, and.

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Speaker 5: I think that's fair.

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Speaker 4: And it's funny you mentioned about New England because you

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Speaker 4: know I mentioned their players. Their two safeties are totally

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Speaker 4: If you can hit this on your first series, Colin,

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Speaker 1: Greg Cosel NFL films forty six years have yourself a

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Speaker 1: great weekend, Greg, Thanks, thanks, Colin, appreciate it. You bet, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Usually in every business you can look at recent history,

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Speaker 1: So not promoting Jim Schwartz, Okay, I'm okay with that.

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Speaker 3: Because it doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: The Other thing that doesn't work, except for Bruce Arians,

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Speaker 1: is hiring a guy in his late fifties who's never

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Speaker 1: been a head coach before. Bruce arians the historic outlier, right,

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Speaker 1: especially in the last twenty years, where the coaches have

442
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Speaker 1: gotten younger. So they hired Todd Monkin, who's fifty nine.

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Speaker 1: So you can go to Vic Fangio or David Cully

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Speaker 1: or Bud Carson or you know there's I mean, I

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Speaker 1: got five or six names here. It just doesn't work historically.

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Speaker 1: And why doesn't it work with the old guys, because

447
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Speaker 1: generally it could be comedy, it could be Hollywood writing,

448
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Speaker 1: it could be tech. Generally you can see elite very

449
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Speaker 1: early most comedians. It could be John Stewart, Bill Maher,

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Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle. You saw stuff in their late twenties. They

451
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Speaker 1: were really good bye thirty something. So Mike Frabel head

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Speaker 1: coach at forty two years old, Sean McVay head coach

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Speaker 1: at thirty, Mike McDonald Seattle head coach at thirty six,

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Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan head coach at thirty seven, Demiko Ryans head

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Speaker 1: coach by thirty eight. If you're fifty eight to fifty

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Speaker 1: nine years old and it's your first gig, it generally

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Speaker 1: doesn't work. Or if you get promoted inside the building. Schwartz,

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Speaker 1: historically that probably wouldn't be a great hire. So I'll

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Speaker 1: defend them on that because the data says that doesn't

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Speaker 1: generally work. But then to go get the older guy

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Speaker 1: who'd never been a head coach before, that doesn't work either.

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Speaker 1: So whenever I get this from fans, well, the NFL

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Speaker 1: is rigged, No, you got bozos in the building.

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Speaker 3: The NFL's not rigged.

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Speaker 1: Cleveland's dysfunctional, despite what Jimmy Haslam says, they're the most

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Speaker 1: dysfunctional search and then the Jets aredysfunctional. You'all want to

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Speaker 1: say stuff is rigged. That's just how to validate mediocrity.

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Speaker 1: It's like people use the word luck. My sister's lucky,

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Speaker 1: my brother in law is lucky. It has nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with luck. You're trying to validate poor choices in mediocrity.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the New York Giants have Super Bowls. They

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Speaker 1: went and got the number one coach in the cycle.

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Speaker 1: The Atlanta Falcons have been to Super Bowls. They probably

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Speaker 1: got the number two coach in the cycle. Jets, have

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Speaker 1: you you've seen what's happening with the Jets.

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Speaker 3: They're getting rid of people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and in this Cleveland thing, I'm sorry it

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Speaker 1: was dysfunctional. I don't know what you want me to.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a totally reasonable word to you use.

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Speaker 6: J Mack with the news, No turns, this is the

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Speaker 6: headline news.

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Speaker 8: There's your daily dig at the Jets. Courtesy of Colin Coward.

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Speaker 3: There's one to day.

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Speaker 8: I like it. I feel like it's a nod to me,

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Speaker 8: which I respect. All Right, let's start with Ben Roethlisberger

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Speaker 8: and the Pittsburgh Steelers. Obviously, Mike McCarthy is the new

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Speaker 8: head coach, but they apparently have no intent on rebuilding,

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Speaker 8: right Well, former Steelers quarterback Big Ben went on First

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Speaker 8: Things First yesterday and I don't I don't know what

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Speaker 8: he's saying here, but this is a little crazy on

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Speaker 8: rebuilding in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 9: Rebuild is like this big word of Pittsburgh. You don't,

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Speaker 9: you don't, you don't use that word rebuild. Well, let's

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Speaker 9: use a word, let's just call let's start building teams.

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Speaker 9: I think nowadays they want to get a quarterback and

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Speaker 9: then they want to build around that quarterback.

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Speaker 5: I think it should be the other way around. I

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Speaker 5: think you.

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Speaker 9: Should build a team to plug a quarterback into. Let's

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Speaker 9: build this team up with a again, I know Will

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Speaker 9: Howard six round.

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Speaker 5: People are like, oh, what do you get the sixth round?

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Speaker 9: Well, you get Tom Brady, you can get brock Perdy,

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Speaker 9: you can get some players.

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Speaker 5: Why not give them a shot?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think big Ben. I love that it was

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Speaker 1: on that show. Big Ben makes a really interesting point though.

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Speaker 1: They don't like the word rebuild in Pittsburgh. They like

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Speaker 1: the word build, and that is some of it where

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Speaker 1: a lot of organizations kind of look at themselves and

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Speaker 1: they don't raise their hand, they don't shout it out.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of corporations, you know, rebuild, guys. We're

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Speaker 1: going to use some capital to rebuild certain parts of

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Speaker 1: our infrastructure for whatever psychological reasons there are or business reasons.

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh is you know what's ironic about this before Chuck,

516
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Speaker 1: you know how the Pittsburgh Steelers got Terry Bradshaw in

517
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Speaker 1: the draft years ago, like nineteen whatever it was, sixteen

518
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Speaker 1: ninety seven. They were bad the year before, and by

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Speaker 1: the way, how did they get Big Ben? They didn't

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Speaker 1: have a very good year. Like, if you want to

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Speaker 1: get Bradshaw or you want to get Big Ben, you

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Speaker 1: can't be worried about, you know, winning one game over

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Speaker 1: five hundred.

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Speaker 3: I mean to get.

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Speaker 1: People always say drafting quarterbacks is happen stands and luck

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Speaker 1: no it's not. Tom Brady again is an outlier. Dak's

527
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Speaker 1: a bit of an outlier. By and large, if you

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Speaker 1: want a great quarterback, it's usually in the top twenty

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Speaker 1: five picks in the first round.

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Speaker 3: That's just the reality of it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it feels very safe space to me, Like, hey,

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Speaker 8: we don't use the word rebuild. That's going to trigger

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Speaker 8: some people, like it's just really goofy. Nice fish tank though,

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Speaker 8: big Ben, I really I love a big fish tank

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Speaker 8: in the background.

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Speaker 3: I love Let's be real.

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Speaker 8: I did say Will Howard's name on this show, remember

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Speaker 8: earlier this Yes, I had Steelers fans and my mentioned, oh,

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Speaker 8: come on, no way, we're gonna go get Kyler, We're

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Speaker 8: gonna do this. That you watch, Will Howard is more

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Speaker 8: than likely going to be their starting quarterback next season.

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Speaker 8: And this is what's called a soft tank. Colin, Let's

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Speaker 8: be real, Hey, let's see what we've got. Let's let

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Speaker 8: some of these guys age out. We've got an old roster.

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Speaker 3: You hear the thing.

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Speaker 1: The Steelers have offensive talent. Friar Moose an excellent tight end.

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Speaker 1: DK Metcalf, Jalen Warren, the old line. They put a

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Speaker 1: lot of draft capital. If Will no, I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: don't have an opinion before. If Will Howard is your guy,

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Speaker 1: then you need to give him seventeen starts to figure

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Speaker 1: out if he's your guy. But I don't want to

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Speaker 1: hear if he struggles. We don't have any players.

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Speaker 3: No, they do.

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Speaker 1: They've got an excellent interior line. They've got a star

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Speaker 1: number one. They need the number two receiver. They have

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Speaker 1: a good back, they have a top tight end, they

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Speaker 1: have two tight ends. Pittsburgh's offensive personnel with McCarthy.

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Speaker 3: Is good enough.

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Speaker 1: If so, if Will Howard is the guy, well you

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Speaker 1: got to find that out before next year's draft because

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Speaker 1: it's packed with quarterbacks. I hope Will Howard is the guy.

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Speaker 1: My guess is no, But what what if? I'm if

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Speaker 1: you look at Pittsburgh's another defensive talents old and expensive,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of offensively. I think their talents better

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Speaker 1: than people think offense. It's not great, it's not the Rams,

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Speaker 1: but there's some players there.

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Speaker 8: So okay, we need contact because this is interesting. You

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Speaker 8: like friar Mouth and Warren and you're calling excellent. I mean,

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Speaker 8: I'll give you the offensive line. I don't know a

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Speaker 8: lot of number one wide receivers who go into the

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Speaker 8: stands and get in a fractice with fans. But he

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Speaker 8: in Week sixteen, like that's buffoonery. He's not a one

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Speaker 8: dk Metcalf. I don't remember Aaron Rodgers was chirping about

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Speaker 8: the wide receiver room. Guys don't know their routes, and

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Speaker 8: he's getting guys benched, and they're they're bringing in guys.

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Speaker 8: I don't I think this is a firm se on

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Speaker 8: the skill position players average, would you.

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Speaker 1: Go higher than the sea Yeah, I think friar Mouth

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Speaker 1: is dependable. Washington's a great blocker, Jalen Warren more than capable.

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Speaker 1: I think they have two guys on their interior line

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Speaker 1: who I think have elite capabilities.

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Speaker 3: They're not awful at tackle. I mean Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: If you go look at Aaron Rodgers this year, go

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Speaker 1: look at his numbers. I mean the Steelers offense was again,

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Speaker 1: it's not high powered. They don't have a number two receiver.

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Speaker 1: When Metcalf got tossed for two games, they don't have

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Speaker 1: anybody to throw to. They absolutely have to draft a

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Speaker 1: receiver in the first three or four round.

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Speaker 3: They need a number two. But I mean.

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Speaker 1: The reality with Pittsburgh right now, I need to know

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Speaker 1: if Will Howard can play. You're not getting that sitting

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Speaker 1: behind Aaron. If Aaron comes back, I'm good with it.

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Speaker 1: But I could see McCarthy going, Guys, let's figure out

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Speaker 1: if this kid can play.

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Speaker 3: Give me. I mean, this guy had a winning record

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Speaker 3: with Cooper Rush. Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, go look at Malik Willis with Matt Lafleur capable,

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy Cooper Rush capable. I mean McVeigh got Baker

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Speaker 1: Mayfield without of practice or one practice. So I think Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: I don't love the hire, but Mike McCarthy is not

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Speaker 1: every coaching hire is McVeigh.

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Speaker 3: He's more than capable.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, no, I'm largely agree with that. Let's move on

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Speaker 8: to the Dallas Cowboys. Colin boy a lot of personnel

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Speaker 8: decisions coming up this offseason on both sides of the ball,

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Speaker 8: but on offense specifically, George Pickens and Javonte Williams are

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Speaker 8: soaking up a lot of the bandwidth online. Here's Stephen

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Speaker 8: Jones talking about the team's desire to keep both guys

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Speaker 8: long term.

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Speaker 10: Obviously there's guys that we want to keep from last year.

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Speaker 10: Whether it's a George Pickens, whether it's a Javonte, those

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Speaker 10: are all guys that play into you know.

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Speaker 3: The free agency picture.

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Speaker 10: At the same time, obviously, we you know, we've got

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Speaker 10: work to do on the defensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 10: So between free agency, between the draft, you know, there's

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Speaker 10: a lot of resources there that we can use to

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Speaker 10: make our defense better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those two first round picks defense, both of them

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Speaker 1: corner pass rusher.

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Speaker 3: Spend them on defense.

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Speaker 8: The pickets long term phrase kind of gives me a

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Speaker 8: little pause.

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Speaker 1: Colin, I think that I actually I think it was

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Speaker 1: playing Let's he was.

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Speaker 8: Playing for a contract this year, and he was a

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Speaker 8: model citizen, put up huge stack.

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Speaker 1: I don't look at Dallas's receivers as a weakness. I

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Speaker 1: think I think they have a true number one. Was

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Speaker 1: it fortny I thought floor noise, floor, noy bad, my bad,

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Speaker 1: more than capable. Their tight end is fine, They've got

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Speaker 1: I think I don't think wide receiver is a huge need.

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna draft one. But I I don't

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Speaker 1: look at Dallas and say, man ceedee lamb is an

635
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Speaker 1: absolute number one. Dack's a franchise quarterback. Their old line

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Speaker 1: actually run blocks pretty well. It's young pass block pro

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Speaker 1: pass pros.

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Speaker 5: Eh.

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Speaker 3: But I I they have to get the defense better.

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Speaker 8: So you would give Pickens a long term deal.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I don't. I don't get it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I can tell you I think when

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Speaker 1: you give me. He came in with red flags into

644
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Speaker 1: the NFL. Mike Tomlin, who's incredibly player friendly, moved off him,

645
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Speaker 1: and he pouted last year in Dallas, like people will

646
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Speaker 1: show you who they are.

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Speaker 3: Believe them.

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Speaker 1: He's talented and wide. Receivers the one position that college

649
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Speaker 1: football furnishes. The NFL with fifteen guys a year that

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Speaker 1: can play. We see it every year. I mean, Pookinnakup

651
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Speaker 1: is a fifth rounder walks into the league and you're like, stud,

652
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Speaker 1: we didn't even think JSN was the best receiver at

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Speaker 1: Ohio State. Walks into the league year two, You're like,

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Speaker 1: is he the best player in the league.

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Speaker 3: The receivers are everywhere?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, final story, Colin, Let's go back to the Hall

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Speaker 8: of Fame, but focus on Eli Manning. He is a

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Speaker 8: big talking point because Colin all signs point to him

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Speaker 8: not getting in the Hall of Fame for the second

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Speaker 8: straight year. This should be no surprise to anybody. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 8: anybody who wants to go to battle over Eli Manning.

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Speaker 8: There is a lot of ammunition that he is not

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Speaker 8: a Hall of Famer. I think you and I I

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Speaker 8: agree he has comed I'm just gonna point this out.

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Speaker 8: Career MVP votes for Eli Manning zero. He was never

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Speaker 8: once an All Pro quarterback in the league. I don't

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Speaker 8: want to hear Pro bowls. Shdorg is a Pro bowler.

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Speaker 8: That is irrelevant. Are you ready for this? Eli Manning

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Speaker 8: led the league in interception three times and his career

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Speaker 8: NFL record with the Blue Blood Giants one hundred and

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Speaker 8: seventeen wins, one hundred and seventeen losses.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, words matter.

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Speaker 1: Is it called the Hall of Stats, Hall of All Pro,

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Speaker 1: Hall of Pro Bowl, It's called Hall of Fame. Part

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Speaker 1: of Eli Manning's greatness, he'd beat.

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Speaker 3: He didn't win two Super Bowls.

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Speaker 1: He beat Brady twice, he beat the greatest coach twice,

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Speaker 1: and he had two one to Mario Manningham one to day.

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Speaker 1: But Tyree, I would say two of the top six

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Speaker 1: passes I mean, was it Bradshaw of Lynn Swan's one

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Speaker 1: of the great passes, big band of Santonio Hall. I

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Speaker 1: think back of the end zones, Clark. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: the Brady, the Edelman catches it in the crowd. And

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Speaker 1: there's been about seven catches in Super Bowl history that

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Speaker 1: are memorable. Eli had two. And again it's not that

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Speaker 1: he won two Super Bowls. He beat Brady and Belichick

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Speaker 1: with the two great late game throws. Arguably, ever, he

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Speaker 1: is a Hall of Famer. It is called Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: You can't tell the story without him. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of I said this yesterday. There's a lot of different athleticisms.

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Speaker 1: I grew up with Johnny Bench. He was the best

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Speaker 1: catcher in baseball for it fell like fifteen years. When

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Speaker 1: you watch Johnny Base try to get Johnny Bench hit

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Speaker 1: a double at Riverfront Stadium at the time and tried

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Speaker 1: to get the second base. He didn't look like a

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Speaker 1: great athlete, but you have to be a great athlete

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Speaker 1: to be in that gear an astrotur for fifteen years

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Speaker 1: and be the best catcher in baseball and a power hitting,

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Speaker 1: run driving and catcher. He's a hell of an athlete.

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Speaker 1: But there are different There are power athletes, there are

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Speaker 1: twitchy athletes. There's guys in the NBA that have length

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Speaker 1: and hand eye core ordination but don't have great hops.

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Speaker 1: It My take is Eli Manning two minute drill, road games,

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Speaker 1: big moments, toughness, never misstarts, iq EQ through the roof

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Speaker 1: pre snap great.

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Speaker 8: So interesting note so yes, he had two incredible iconic throws.

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Speaker 8: The guy played one hundred and sorry sixteen seasons. Eli

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Speaker 8: Manning played sixteen seasons in the NFL and had two

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Speaker 8: good postseason runs. And we basically are like, hey, he

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Speaker 8: had that amazing.

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Speaker 5: Thrown to David Tyree.

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Speaker 3: Remember that and this.

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Speaker 8: The guy had a forgettable career. He just let's be really,

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Speaker 8: he was not a very good quarterback except for two

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Speaker 8: postseason runs.

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Speaker 3: No one of the trickyar handicaps thought he was.

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Speaker 1: I always loved him. I thought he was a great,

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Speaker 1: up tempo quarterback, always healthy. Ask yourself this, When you

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Speaker 1: leave a company and the company goes into the tank,

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Speaker 1: does that not speak well of you? How's Michigan football

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Speaker 1: since Jim Harball left? How are the New York Giants

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Speaker 1: since Eli left? Has Matt spill How are the Giants

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Speaker 1: since Eli left unwatchable. I mean, we can talk Brady

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Speaker 1: leave it New England, even with Belichick. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: minute he walked out of that building, You're like, the

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Speaker 1: maturity of the organization, the intelligence of the organization never

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Speaker 1: the same. That's my I don't know. I watched a

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Speaker 1: lot of Eli. I was I was living out East.

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Speaker 3: I thought, I mean, again.

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Speaker 8: I think we agree he'll probably get in. But this

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Speaker 8: idea that he's like a slam dunk is a little prick.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, he's not a He's not a first ballot.

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Speaker 1: But again, would you rather have Philip Rivers career which

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Speaker 1: was much better in the regular season but postseason's success

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Speaker 1: escapes him or Eli?

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Speaker 3: And to me, it's not even close.

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Speaker 8: I would take Elo, Okay Russell Wilson or Eli, Eli,

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Speaker 8: Kurt Warner, Eli.

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Speaker 3: Closer. Kurt Orner is pretty good, really good. Kurt Warner

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Speaker 3: was pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Jmack with the news, Well that's the news, and

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Speaker 1: thanks for stopping by.

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Speaker 1: Earlier in the show, I had said coaches should probably

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Speaker 1: not talk about players like Sean Payton and bow Nix's surgeries.

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Speaker 1: First of all, players probably are sensitive to that. NFL careers,

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Speaker 1: even for quarterbacks, are usually kind of short, longer for quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: But bow next got you know, a little testy that

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning had talked about, you know, his injury. Bo

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Speaker 1: Nick said it's fine, and I said, I think players

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Speaker 1: get far more surgeries than most of us know. A

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Speaker 1: prime example is video today in Buffalo. Oh there's Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen on crutches, so this is an eight to ten

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Speaker 1: week process. He'll be back, He'll be fine. He showed

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Speaker 1: up on crutches. He had a broken foot, So there's

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen today. I think these guys, I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you've ever stood on the sidelines of an NFL game,

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Speaker 1: it's remarkable guys aren't getting a surgery every six weeks.

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Speaker 1: The hips that these guys go through, I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: not kidding you. People think pro wrestling that is somewhat

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Speaker 1: kind of sort of you know, we all know that

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Speaker 1: pro wrestling, they bounce off the mat and those guys

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Speaker 1: are a wreck after ten years of doing that. Try

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Speaker 1: getting tackled by NFL guys. Joe Brady, the new coach,

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Speaker 1: the current offensive coordinator, now the top guy, had a presser.

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Speaker 11: He is the leader of this organization. In the way

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Speaker 11: that he has on his shoulders is something that I

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Speaker 11: can't even imagine. Everything I think about is trying to

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Speaker 11: find ways to put him in a position to have success,

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Speaker 11: because that's all I care about with him. Josh Allen

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Speaker 11: is the best player in the NFL, and I have

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Speaker 11: to grow, right and part of me growing is that

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Speaker 11: that's going to allow him to be a better version

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Speaker 11: of himself.

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Speaker 8: And I can't.

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Speaker 11: I'm so excited to be able to continue this journey

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Speaker 11: with him. I have so much love for that moon

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Speaker 11: right there, and all they want is him to get

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Speaker 11: everything that he deserves, and that's what that's all I

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Speaker 11: do for now.

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Speaker 1: The record is when you we showed you the list earlier,

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Speaker 1: there's two things that can get you in trouble when

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Speaker 1: you hire a head coach.

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Speaker 3: One of them is.

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Speaker 1: Just elevating the guy in the organization that's considered the

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Speaker 1: top assistant. The history is not great on that, but

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Speaker 1: now is there advantages. Buffalo has stability, new stadium, new revenue,

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Speaker 1: they have Josh Allen, they've got their left tackle, they've

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Speaker 1: got excellent tight ends, are very good slot. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they've got some nice offensive pieces. So I think they'll

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Speaker 1: be fine. I think this is a situation where what's

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen comfortable with. I think it's mostly a well

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Speaker 1: run organization. You know, their GM's got a couple of times,

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Speaker 1: been a tad, didn't skinned whatever, But you know, I

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Speaker 1: think it's well run. But you know, usually elevating the

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Speaker 1: hot assistant. We've talked about this. It doesn't work, you know,

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Speaker 1: the greater the coach that leaves, and McDermott was pretty

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Speaker 1: darn good, the wider the search usually needs to be.

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Speaker 1: Second thing is be careful about doing what Cleveland did.

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Speaker 1: Todd Monkin, a guy in his late fifties who's never

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Speaker 1: been a head coach. Now it worked in Arizona. Steve Kaime,

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Speaker 1: my buddy hired Bruce Arians highly respected.

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Speaker 3: They got him. I think they got him.

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Speaker 1: Carson Palmer not long after that and things worked out

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Speaker 1: pretty well. That's an outlier. Tom Brady getting drafted in

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Speaker 1: round six, that's an outlier. Most great quarterbacks, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Darnold's a first rounder. Drake May's a first rounder. People

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Speaker 1: always say, oh, you never know where you get quarterbacks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you do the top twenty picks, where you get the

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Speaker 1: first round. Yeah, Drew Brees top of the second round.

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Speaker 1: You know, Jalen hurt second round. Rock Perty's an outlier.

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Speaker 1: But Josh Allen said today, if I was planned next week,

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Speaker 1: I'd find a way to play.

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Speaker 3: I swear to you. So they'll be fine, all right.

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Speaker 3: I O'Connor's coming up.

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Speaker 1: He had that article in The Athletic about Spygate was

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Speaker 1: the reason why a handful of sports writers said, Bill's

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Speaker 1: got a wait. Lombardi had the weight, Bill Walsh had

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Speaker 1: the weight, Joe Gibbs had the weight, Parcels had the weight.

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Speaker 1: Couple of Spygate dings. Belichick has to wait. Pour three