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Speaker 2: number fifty nine of the met stub podcast. Of course,

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Speaker 2: I'm your co host Draftnik Mark here with James Chiano.

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Speaker 2: Jeter had no range talking about all the New York

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Speaker 2: Mets news that's been going on. It's been kind of

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Speaker 2: a weirdly quiet but also loud week in Mets baseball

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Speaker 2: world because it's just a lot of the same old,

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Speaker 2: looking for a president of baseball ops, looking for a

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Speaker 2: Steve Cohen everything, He's getting a casino at City Field,

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Speaker 1: And it all starts with Zack Scott officially being fired

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was acting, and it's it's the

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Speaker 2: He no longer is, which I think is a good decision.

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Speaker 2: While there might have been some moves that people liked

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Speaker 2: But that's about it. And he's made a lot of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big problem, especially given what else has

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Speaker 1: And I don't think that you can really say Zach

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Speaker 2: But I don't think there's.

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Speaker 1: Day, especially when a lot of these people in the

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Speaker 2: All right, so here's what Buster only tweeted about he

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Speaker 2: was lauding another article you said by the New York Times.

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Speaker 2: But essentially here's what Buster Olney's words are. At the

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Speaker 2: while may in a different scenario, I think Buster could

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Speaker 1: Buster only wrote a skating article about the Mets' future

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Speaker 2: And like I even found a little excerpt too from

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Speaker 2: Here's what he said exactly. The front office has been disastrous,

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Speaker 2: not saying Zack Scott's a terrible person, by it means

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Speaker 1: But for some reason, Buster Only harped on the fact

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Speaker 2: But when people regular people, some people decent following on

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Speaker 1: You two were responding to Buster Only saying this was

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Speaker 1: Buster Only said this maybe fifteen twenty times responding to

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Speaker 2: It's crazy and it was weird because Buster Only he

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Speaker 2: typically is anti player. If you go back through a

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Speaker 1: Shock me that he has this take of like, well,

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Speaker 2: But the difference between Zach Scott and a player in

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Speaker 1: Zack Scott did not. Yeah, and I'm not saying that

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't want to put this into

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Speaker 1: But if one of the Met's better players was drunk

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Speaker 1: There's almost no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: Buster Only was being just such an asshole about this.

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Speaker 1: And if you look back through Buster Only's history regarding

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Speaker 1: not even the first time in the last six weeks

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Speaker 1: he's gonna contradicted himself in coverage of the Mets. Buster

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Speaker 2: He was the guy who said I'm gonna bet the farm,

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Speaker 1: So I think now he basically just at any chance

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Speaker 1: In that same article ridiculing Javier Baiaz and the Mets

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Speaker 1: All that was true, but in that article Buster only

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Speaker 2: The last nine years of his contract.

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Speaker 1: He's saying that sentence, like, Francisco Lindor's already played his

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Speaker 1: It's also especially upsetting because in the offseason when the

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Speaker 1: It's just such a backhanded comblem and it's just a

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Speaker 1: He tweeted this on May sixteen, Simeon Wood Richardson walked

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Speaker 1: for gave up four hits in five innings against the

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Speaker 1: Double A Yankees.

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Speaker 2: He did a seven stridcouts.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty good, but even when you break it down

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Speaker 1: in the eleven start to Simeon was Richardson May in

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Speaker 1: the Blue Jays organization before he went to the Twins.

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Speaker 1: For the end of the season, he had a five

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Speaker 1: point seven to six ERA and again eleven starts and

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Speaker 1: you walk twenty six Batthers in forty five INNX.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty atrocious if you ask me, And like same

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Speaker 2: Thogu Kalnick, Like we talked about like down season, like

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Speaker 2: you would have thought that both of these guys were

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Speaker 2: poised to come up and be world beaters off the rip,

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Speaker 2: and these guys had their struggles, had their issues this

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Speaker 2: year because they are both extremely young. But to treat

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Speaker 2: it as if the Mets got screwed on Simeon Woods

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Speaker 2: Richardson when Stroman was so good this year one of

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Speaker 2: the only reason the Mets stayed competitive is insane. I

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Speaker 2: mean Stroman. You would have thought Stroman stunk. You thought

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Speaker 2: that this guy was either not on the team or

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Speaker 2: was trash, and that couldn't be further from the truth.

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Speaker 1: It was as if we got Anthony Kay in that

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Speaker 1: train instead of also trading him for Marcus Stroman. You're

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Speaker 1: also just likening Simeon's Wood Richardson to Jered Kalnick, Jared

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Speaker 1: Kelnick was consensus top five prospect in the whole show.

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Speaker 2: Everyone knows that.

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Speaker 1: And even though he had a down year this year,

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Speaker 1: he got hot towards the end of the year, and

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Speaker 1: I have no doubt he'll be at worse than above

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Speaker 1: average player for the next ten years.

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Speaker 2: Make us all each be an All Star. The jury

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Speaker 2: is still definitely out of Simeon's wood.

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Speaker 1: Richardson like, he does have high potential still, and he

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Speaker 1: has a good pitch mix and this big, big boy

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Speaker 1: throws hard, but that those kind of control issues in

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Speaker 1: double A at twenty one years old.

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Speaker 2: Again not old, it's not young.

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Speaker 1: But like, there's no guarantee of Simons w what Dritian

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Speaker 1: is gonna come to the major leagues and be great?

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Speaker 1: He could he very well might. I mean I believe

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Speaker 1: that he there's a very good chance he does. The

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Speaker 1: Twins have decent pitching development. But just like to take

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Speaker 1: that shot on May eighteen, there's no reason for it,

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Speaker 1: there's no reason for it, doesn't make any sense. It's

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Speaker 1: just really trying to get under Mets fans skin. And

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe that's what he's doing. Maybe maybe it's all working.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Buster only just really wants to be spoken about

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Speaker 1: in these circles because he's a His star is fleeting,

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Speaker 1: he's getting.

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Speaker 2: Older out there. Egomania. Yeah, he's a fearmonger.

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Speaker 1: I mean, especially when you look at the way that

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Speaker 1: he covers other teams around baseball, not the Mets. There

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Speaker 1: was a game when the Blue Jays played the Rays

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Speaker 1: September fifteenth, when the Blue Jays are in the midst

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Speaker 1: of their massive hot streak and everyone was talking about

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Speaker 1: the crazy Blue Jays World Series ods. I had a

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Speaker 1: Blue Jays future that placed in August. Wh I was

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Speaker 1: feeling really good at this time, honestly. But Bobaschet his

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Speaker 1: three run home run the third batter of the off

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Speaker 1: of Michael Waka, and Buster Only said, and I quote

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Speaker 1: the Blue Jays the best team in the AL, Like

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Speaker 1: it's all.

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Speaker 2: That's all.

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Speaker 1: You need to see a home run off Michael Waka

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Speaker 1: in the first inning and he can tell this team

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Speaker 1: that best team in the AL.

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 1: Buster, there's no reason for that kind of positivity. I

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Speaker 1: know you're a negative asshole.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Buser Only should stick to reporting because that's what

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Speaker 2: he is good at. He is good at reporting news.

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Speaker 2: I'll give him that. You can tell me what happened,

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent. But when he starts going into his

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Speaker 2: opinion and giving his thoughts, that's when I really don't care.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like that's what.

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Speaker 1: A lot of national media reporters are starting to do now,

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Speaker 1: and I get it.

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Speaker 2: The money is in having an opinion. Reporting news isn't sexy,

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Speaker 2: It isn't cool unless you're Jeff Pass and no one

515
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Speaker 2: really cares. That's why John Hayman's a bum. But your

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Speaker 2: opinion is so bad. You don't have any knowledge, You

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Speaker 2: have no wherewithal to even give a decent opinion. So

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Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense that he just keeps getting to

519
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Speaker 2: recycle garbage or spew garbage out of his mouth consistently

520
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Speaker 2: and just seems to be at the Mets expense always,

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Speaker 2: which this.

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Speaker 1: Year though, because last year, especially the offseason, he was

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Speaker 1: very positive about the Mets, very consistently last year. Because

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Speaker 1: I wanted to look this up by the fairness the

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Speaker 1: team that he was taking his shots at with the

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Phillies and this team, we like to both take

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Speaker 1: shots at tours.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's your line?

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Speaker 1: Their fourth place team, what's the other one? It's a

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Speaker 1: garbage city filled with garbage people. There you go, that one,

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Speaker 1: that one. But the Phillies also last you, notably, were

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Speaker 1: a little bit dysfunctional. They fired their general manager. There

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Speaker 1: was a three day window where apparently Zach Wheeler was

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Speaker 1: on the trade block a year after signing a very

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Speaker 1: lucrative and affordable contract. It's hard to do both those

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Speaker 1: things at the same time, but somehow the Phillies did

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Speaker 1: pull that off. And I'll give them all the credit

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Speaker 1: in the world. But even with that buster only at

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Speaker 1: checked he had one article and one tweet about the

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Speaker 1: Phillies and I'll quote dysfunction, use that word twice, dysfunction.

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Speaker 1: Along with the Mets this year is using similar words one.

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Speaker 2: Tweet and one article.

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Speaker 1: And the Phillies were doing a similar search of the

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Speaker 1: Mets last year, needing a top executive, and similarly took

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Speaker 1: a little while to do it.

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Speaker 2: And Mark, I.

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Speaker 1: Want to ask you, when do you think the Phillies

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Speaker 1: hired Dave dob Braski to be their president.

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say, like January tenth.

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Speaker 1: That's way too late, all right, you really oppressed me.

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Speaker 1: It was December eleventh, so seven weeks from where we

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Speaker 1: are right now. After the CBA will have actually expired.

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Speaker 1: That is when the Phillies hired their top executive and

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Speaker 1: there was while a smothering of assholish nets from Buster.

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Speaker 1: Only there was not this widespread panic one article a week,

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Speaker 1: sometimes two about everything going wrong with the Mets and

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Speaker 1: how every single person is running away from them. We

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Speaker 1: knows a lot of people probably don't want this job,

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Speaker 1: it's clear at this point. But just be fair, man,

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Speaker 1: Just be fair to all these teams. It's ridiculous you

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Speaker 1: could be a national media reporter and not report fairly

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Speaker 1: about the same team. So I'm telling you, man, he

563
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Speaker 1: got burned on that Springer thing, and he is going

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Speaker 1: scorched earth trying to make the Mets look bad at

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Speaker 1: a moment, because that seems to be the tipping point

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Speaker 1: once that Springer thing came through that he did not

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Speaker 1: have a clue about what he was talking about, considering

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Speaker 1: he bet the family farm and love to know who

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Speaker 1: has custody of that now.

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Speaker 2: But he has flipped the script. He has been negative, Nancy,

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Speaker 2: he has been spurred by the Mets, and he is

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Speaker 2: just going scorched to earth. So be interesting to see,

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Speaker 2: because I'm sure Buster is not done anytime soon. Even

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Speaker 2: this morning, Buster only again had that same response about

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Speaker 2: the Zack Scott thing is there's zero tolerance Polly for

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Speaker 2: the organization in terms of DUIs. Would they cut the

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Speaker 2: player even while swallowing a prize contract? Of course they

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Speaker 2: wouldn't do that, Buster, You know for a fact they

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Speaker 2: won't do that. That's a bad business. It is bad business.

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Speaker 2: If so, that is an admirable stance. If not, then

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Speaker 2: there's actually no organizational standard. And it's not really about

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Speaker 2: the duy. It doesn't have to be only about the duyy.

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Speaker 2: He got cut.

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Speaker 1: He also like didn't do his job that well, and

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Speaker 1: you add the DUI in, it makes logical sense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let me tell you this if because Zak Scott,

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Speaker 2: let's just he was the acting general manager. He is

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Speaker 2: a low paid guy. He wasn't making big money, right,

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Speaker 2: so let's compare him to somebody on the Mets that

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Speaker 2: would be like that if Jose Parrazza got a DUY.

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Speaker 2: I promise Jose Prazza would be cut. Zack Scott is

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Speaker 2: not a star GM. He's not a star player, he's

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Speaker 2: not a star anything. He's the acting general manager. Because

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Speaker 2: the guy that the Mets hired was a piece of shit.

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Speaker 2: There is no reason to treat Zack Scott as an

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Speaker 2: equal to a Francisco lindor to a Jacob de Gram.

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Speaker 2: And that's where it doesn't make any sense. It is

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Speaker 2: literally comparing apples to oranges. It's a weird it's a

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Speaker 2: weird hill to die on. To go to bat for

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Speaker 2: a guy who was doing something illegal that can put

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Speaker 2: lives at risk.

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Speaker 1: Who you said in an article less than two months

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Speaker 1: ago would be justified being fired word for words, Zax's

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Speaker 1: guy would be justified being fired.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean that's that's probably enough. Buster. Yeah,

606
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Speaker 2: we've killed him a half hour going after Buster, Arinbuster.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna let you get slide easy, all right, only

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Speaker 2: thirty minutes. Let's talk about another article, though, the Jacob

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Speaker 2: de Gram won because it's kind of interesting what was said.

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Speaker 2: There was an article with dia Como. It was the

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Speaker 2: first time de Grom spoke in quite a while. He

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Speaker 2: speaks like three times a year. Yeah, and it seems

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Speaker 2: to be only to Tacomo, by the way, which Dicomo

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Speaker 2: is one of our boys. Love.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, trust the crap that Anthon Diacoma. Anthon Dicomo can

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Speaker 1: name my son, I don't care.

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Speaker 2: But he talks about the injury, and he also talks

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Speaker 2: about the season and how he takes a lot of

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Speaker 2: accountability for why the Mets struggled, and just that alone.

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Speaker 2: I fucking loved Jacob Degrov. I mean, he clearly like

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Speaker 2: wanted to be out there. If anyone ever, I don't

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Speaker 2: think anyone did. But if you ever accused him of

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Speaker 2: dogging it or taken it easy, it's just definitely not

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Speaker 2: the case. He felt really really bad that he couldn't

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Speaker 2: be out there every five days. He knows his value

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Speaker 2: for this team, he knows how good he is, and

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Speaker 2: he knew that that was a huge reason why the

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Speaker 2: Mets fell off in the second half.

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Speaker 1: And he's right because this was actually the first year

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Speaker 1: in the last few years and the Mets had a

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Speaker 1: great record. When Da Groam pitched like Mets with ten

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Speaker 1: three and the Grom starts this year, that's a pretty

633
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Speaker 1: incredible winning percentage. And you add you extract light that

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Speaker 1: over the rest of the season, this team may have,

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Speaker 1: along with getting over the five hundred mark, could have

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Speaker 1: actually contended for one of these playoff spots and we

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be sitting here as Brave's World Series Champions today,

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Speaker 1: which is just an insane butterfly effect to think about.

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Speaker 1: But one thing that popped out of this article that

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Speaker 1: was very interesting was that de gram actually.

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Speaker 2: Thinks that in MRI that he took in the.

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Speaker 1: Middle of July aggravated his injury to the point of

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Speaker 1: where he couldn't pitch again that season, specifically saying that

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Speaker 1: the way that he was positioned in the MRI machine,

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Speaker 1: and I think there's no way this is the first

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Speaker 1: time Jack de Graham had got an MRI in his

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Speaker 1: elbow camp.

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Speaker 2: It's impossible. I'm sure he gets one a month. That'd

649
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Speaker 2: be bad baseball. But apparently he was slaying on his.

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Speaker 1: Stomach and his arm was elevated above his back into

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Speaker 1: the tube like upside down, so it's kind of like

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Speaker 1: twisted for an entire hour.

653
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Speaker 2: That seems uncomfortable. I wouldn't want to do that.

654
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: Just doing it for like five seconds, I'm like, I

655
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: feel strange, but I think that's a strange I don't

656
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: want to call a shot, but it does seem like

657
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: especially when there was some concern regarding his MRI at

658
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: the time. Remember, like is he getting ones? He's not

659
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: getting one? It seems like there was different opinions on

660
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: how Jacob de gram was going to be cared for

661
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: treated and actually how his elbow is going to be

662
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: looked at. It's interesting to see him mention that specifically. Now, yeah, no,

663
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: it's it was weird. But I think there is some

664
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: positives to take out of this article, and it looks

665
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: like Jake de Groam is gonna be ready to go

666
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty two season. Everything seems like he's clear,

667
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: he's healthy, he's gonna start throwing again pretty soon, and

668
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: that he should be ready to go.

669
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: You know, the health is still gonna be something you

670
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 2: have to watch out for. And inflamed UCL like they said,

671
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 2: and Sandy calling it partially torn even though it wasn't

672
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: was like a weird wording too, because Sandy Alderson is

673
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: definitely seen Nile and doesn't know where is all the time.

674
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: But I think the positive take out here is that

675
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: it looks like the Grum is gonna be back and

676
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 2: ready to go next year. But just again, it looks

677
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: like there's also some weird oversight again by the Mets

678
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 2: in the medical department, which has been a problem for

679
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: the last ten years.

680
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: Also it gives me some confidence that the grum said

681
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: he would have pitched the playoffs.

682
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, which is cool.

683
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: But get this, these are problems that we thought were

684
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 1: going to go away when the Mets changed ownership, and

685
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: they haven't because the entire front office staff is basically

686
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: exactly the same.

687
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 2: Something that we have mentioned a few times.

688
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: That's why we thought that Buster only Will had a

689
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: point when sweeping changes should have been made in September.

690
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: But Ken, I'll get what we want and at least

691
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: just happy that Jacob de Graam has ucl that's completely intact. Yes,

692
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: and there's seems to be no structural or issues, which

693
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: is huge.

694
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: Changed the entire Mets out with next year for being honest.

695
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: And now, speaking of the Mets out look, let's talk

696
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: about some guys that uh, you know, be a part

697
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: of the team next year for sure. Basically almost positive.

698
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: We got some grades to talk about. Here. We got

699
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: five more players here, right, five five here, five here,

700
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 2: we're gonna grade them again, and we're gonna start off

701
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: with a guy who well, that's yeah, just then we liked.

702
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: Our first player grades was our star students. Our next

703
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: player grades were the guys who were okay, but we

704
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: thought maybe could have been a little bit better. These

705
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: are the guys who may not have performed up to

706
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: the standsers that we know that they can this season,

707
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: or what we might have expected them, and also probably

708
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: what they expected of themselves.

709
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: And that is going to start with Dominic Smith, the

710
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,239
Speaker 2: biggest letdown of the entire season. I think I can

711
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: say that pretty confidently, almost after Tom went from a

712
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: guy who myself and many others thought could be one

713
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: of the top first base type hitters in baseball based

714
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: on what we've seen in those last few stretches of

715
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: play from him, and boy, were we just so incredibly wrong.

716
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I was so high on Dom coming into

717
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: the year, and he just couldn't have played worst baseball, honestly,

718
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,719
Speaker 2: and I don't really know why.

719
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: I mean, Dom fell from a cornerstone building block of

720
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: this organization, this future lineup to someone who I would

721
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: be shocked if they have a legitimate role on the

722
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: team next year if.

723
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: Dom wasn't as big of a fan favorite. I think

724
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: Dom's a legitimate non non tender candidate.

725
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: I think certainly non tender candidate, especially when you just

726
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: look at everything that he can bring to a baseball team.

727
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: Given the roster construction of the Mets, it is kind

728
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: of hard to find a place for him on this

729
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: team if he can't hit at all at all, Like

730
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: it really he really couldn't hit at all. Like Twenty

731
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: twenty was an incredible season for Don. He hit literally

732
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: everything aside. He was satisically one of the best hitters.

733
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: In all of baseball.

734
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: In sixty games, one hundred and ninetynine played appearances, he

735
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: had twenty one doubles and ten home runs. Those are

736
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: insane numbers. You figured you extrapolate that overseason, you're looking

737
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: at the guy who could wind up with like seventy

738
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: extra base hits. Yeah, as insane as that sounds, it

739
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: was possible. But this year, in five hundred play appearances,

740
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: Dom had twenty doubles and eleven home runs. And you

741
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: heard that correctly. He had one less double in twenty

742
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: twenty one, in more than two and a half times

743
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: the play appearances that he had in twenty twenty and

744
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: just one more home run. It's unbelievable, it's shocking, and

745
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: it's very disappointing.

746
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was just really bad. I mean, Dom when

747
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: he came up was a bit of a letdown. He

748
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: had the high prospect you know tag on him, and

749
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: he thought he was gonna be, you know, the next

750
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: first baseman. Honestly, everyone thought he was gonna be the

751
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: next first baseman. Don't new anyth about Pele Lonzo. No

752
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: one knew anything about Big Pete. But Dom stunk. Dom

753
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: stunk when he came up, and it was because he

754
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: couldn't sleep. We found that out. He was a little overweight,

755
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: he was out of shape. He was just not ready

756
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: to be a major league baseball player. He figured out

757
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: how to sleep, started getting healthy, and he looked good.

758
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: And then twenty twenty one happened and he finally got

759
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: his first shot to really be an everyday player over

760
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 2: a full season, and he just, I mean, for lack

761
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: of a better term, shit the bet. He really ship

762
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: the bet.

763
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: And we went through this ad nauseum during the season

764
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: that Dom was not taking advantage of mistakes. We talked

765
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: about his run values on parts of the plate. And

766
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: for anyone who knew knew the show run value you

767
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: get run values on baseball saffant. They basically they every

768
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: single pitch that is thrown to a hitter gets a

769
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: run value. Like a great statistician named Tom Tango invented

770
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: this statistic about five or six years ago, way over

771
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: my head as the best I could explain it. But

772
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: Dom had one of the worst run values on any

773
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: pitch that was in the strike zone, including the heart

774
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: of the plate where which was all the pitches directly

775
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: in the middle, and the shadow of the plate, everything

776
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: that is around the heart, and like just depending on

777
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: the umpire could be a strike, could be a ball.

778
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: He just couldn't hit any really thing in the strike zone.

779
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: He had no sense of when to hit those pitches

780
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: whore he took too many. He was still fine taking

781
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: his pitches. His run values on pitches out of the

782
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: zone were fine, which leads me to believe that he

783
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: was at least spinning on the ones he should have

784
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: been spitting on.

785
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: But he just ended up having.

786
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: Such similar statistics to that twenty nineteen season where he

787
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: was very disappointing, a little overweight and out of shape.

788
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: He did have a hot streak mixed into that season,

789
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: but overall he was still not good. His bower rate

790
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: was basically the same, his heart hit rate was the same,

791
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: man ground ball, same amount of flyballs, His eggs of

792
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: velocity on flyballs and line drives dropped back to that

793
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: level after it entered the elite trasphere in twenty twenty.

794
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: So this seems like there's these weird parallels we can

795
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: like bring from twenty nineteen, which is a bad thing. Yeah,

796
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't know where to go with Dom here, because

797
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: he's not a good outfielder.

798
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: He's awful. Whatever you met fans like to think that was.

799
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: That was the next point I was gonna make, because

800
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure that these struggles were exacerbated by the fact

801
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: that he is one of the worst outfielders in baseball,

802
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: one of the worst out fields.

803
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. He's pretty awful.

804
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: He's not an outfield just simply not an outfielder. We

805
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: really thought that he was making strides because he made

806
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: some sliding catches, but all that means that he can't

807
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: read the ball off the bat.

808
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: He doesn't know how to get to that. Those are

809
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: routine balls.

810
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: And Tom Smith throws the lollipop into second base from

811
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: the left field wall. She says, the first baseman shouldn't

812
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: he is a first baseman, and now that there is

813
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 1: a first basement, it's hard to really find this playing

814
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: time for Dom Smith, Like maybe a big thing in

815
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: twenty twenty is that he was the hing and playing

816
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: first most days. He was comfortable there, and he does

817
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: play great first base defense, but we've learned that first

818
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: blast first base.

819
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: Defense is not really that important the grand scheme of things.

820
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: And also Peter Lambs had turned into a really good defense.

821
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: Final fide defender. He went from bad defender to someone

822
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: who's super acceptable. There's no reason to move Pete off

823
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: first base anymore like there was two years ago. It's

824
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: really hard to find a pathway for Dom to become

825
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: the player that we thought he was going to be

826
00:33:59,520 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 1: in February.

827
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: And that's said even like with the DH next year,

828
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: which is inevitable, He's not my choice, actually not my choice.

829
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: You can sign a guy like Jack Pearson off the

830
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: street for ten million dollars, there'll be much better DH.

831
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: And this is like the most frustrating part of this

832
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: is that the mets chows to rock with Dom Smith

833
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: when these other better options were available that wouldn't have

834
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: handcuffed you even for the future. And you saw the

835
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: ableanted Braves.

836
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: Do it, and Lennon Braves traded for four outfielders in

837
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 1: the trade deadline who none of them could really play centerfield.

838
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: The Mets would never even dream of doing something like

839
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: that because everyone's such good friends already.

840
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dom, bad year, he gets an F. I gave

841
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: Hi an F as well. There's just no way about it.

842
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: I like Dom as a person. I like him as

843
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 2: a guy. He's super fun. Yeah, great clubhouse guy, seems

844
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 2: like it. But you gotta play at some point.

845
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: And if this play continues, the future of Dom Smith

846
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: with the New York Mets is very bleak, definitely, And

847
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: there have been a lot of Mets fans on Twitter

848
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: talking about putting Tom Smith in these trade proposals. There's

849
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: no one in baseball who really wants to trade for

850
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: Dom Smith right now. Zero value oh like literally almost none.

851
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: Like if you trade Dom Smith, like you would get

852
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: either a lever on an expiring contract who might not

853
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: be that good, or guy single or double a you've

854
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: never heard of.

855
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: Who has tons of flaws. It's twenty four.

856
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, there's just there's really no value in Dom

857
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: right now.

858
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: And hindsight should have seen this coming. I think that

859
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: at the absolute best, he is a DH or first

860
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: basement with Pete at DH we got burned. We got

861
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 2: burned on Dom. I'm willing to swallow that pill there

862
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: and say that it sold the bag of goods.

863
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we we got swindled here. So that's enough of

864
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: Dom slander, because again, he's a nice guy. We love him,

865
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: but it's just a very really bad yeah, really bad

866
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: granting these guys in their marrits for this season, that's

867
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: what we're doing.

868
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: And he was one of the worst. Yes, Cookie Carrasco,

869
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: let's talk about him. Rough year, rough year, rough go

870
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: for Cookie. I mean, the dude is he goes through

871
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 2: a lot of shit, man. I mean he had the

872
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: cancer stuff a few years ago. He tours hamstring and

873
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 2: spring training, he had shit in his elbow. I mean

874
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: he won multiple setbacks on that hamstring. Yeah, he went

875
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: through it all, and it definitely wasn't a smooth season

876
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,959
Speaker 2: by any means. It definitely wasn't a good season either

877
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: when he was on the field. But I feel like

878
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: it's also really hard to grave this guy because he

879
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 2: wasn't actually given any time for preparation.

880
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: Really, and the fact that he worked his ass off

881
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: to get back for this team when they desperately desperately needed,

882
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: like a pitching veteran pitching presence and someone to just

883
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: give them at least semi reliable innings, Like I give

884
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: him a lot of credit for that, especially first year

885
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: out of Cleveland's entire career of Moosehall Family up Bru's

886
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: whole life, Like this is a hard thing for Cookie

887
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: Carrasco tear his hamshiing, tear's hamsterring. He wasn't a strain

888
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: like Jeff McNeil and Michael Conforlo had. He tore that

889
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: thing right off the bone like a turkey leg.

890
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: And I think in any other year, Carlos Carrasco just

891
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 2: doesn't pitch this year because the Mets need the pitching

892
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: so badly, especially finding out the bone chip in his elbow, Yeah,

893
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: there's just no chance he actually pitches. And that also

894
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 2: makes sense as to why he did struggle so much

895
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 2: this year. You got a bone chip in your elbow,

896
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: that is not something you really mess around with. That

897
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 2: is that's a painful thing to have in.

898
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: There floating around while you're throwing ninety five miles an hour,

899
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: especially when you add in the fact that he had

900
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: to build up from a torn hamsterring. As a thirty

901
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: seven year old man, like in a couple of months

902
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: without really having a spring training at all or any

903
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: kind of training regiment, And also just seemed like the

904
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: whole year Carls Carasco was just trying to figure things out.

905
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: I've talked about this during the game wrap ups when

906
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: he was pitching, but he had four different pitches this

907
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: year that he featured in games, between his sinker, his slider,

908
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: his change up in his fourteen fastball. That's a guy

909
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: who's tinkering. That's a guy who's not really comfortable with

910
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: all of his stuff. Spring training, that's what you do

911
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: in spring training. And it seemed like all year long

912
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: like he was just kind of trying to get ready.

913
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: Still definitely, and then he had the first sitting thing,

914
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: which we talked about a lot, which is just one

915
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: of the craziest things I've ever seen in the history

916
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: of baseball, just giving up a home run every single

917
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: first setting, seemingly for an entire half of the season.

918
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: But even through all of this nonsense and all this

919
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: shit that Carls Carrasco dealt with, he was still above

920
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: the eighties percentile and with rate, which kind of gives

921
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: me some confidence still going in for next year.

922
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: Something a drum that beat a lot this year. Yeah,

923
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: I don't have the same outlook of Carrasco like I

924
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: did coming into the season.

925
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think he's a good two anymore, but

926
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: I think he'd definitely be a three, three, four out

927
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: take him out.

928
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: I would love to see Carrasco be our four. I

929
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: would love that. I feel great going into season as

930
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: Carlos Grasco as a four he conceiveably could be.

931
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, even but just with the guys who were still

932
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: part of this organization, not including I mean including Marcus Stroman,

933
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 1: but that remains to be seen.

934
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, but overall for this year, what are you giving him, James?

935
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 2: I gave him a C. I think that's pretty fair.

936
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: I gave him a lot of credit that he worked his.

937
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: Way back and seeing that w Freight was still like

938
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: basically was career in norms like gives me a lot

939
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: of confidence again moving forward. Yeah, No, I think right

940
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: around that Seerirange is fine because again the dude really

941
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: wasn't given a fair shot, no, not even close.

942
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: So for Mets fans, take it easy. If he stinks

943
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 2: next year, it's a different story. Of course, you know

944
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: he was not healthy even when he was on the map. Yes,

945
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 2: let's talk about one of our favorite players on this team,

946
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: Taiwan Walker, who shout out to Taiwan. Gott to follow

947
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: from Taiwan on Twitter the other day. So maybe we'll

948
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 2: get Taiwan on the podcast. I gotta, I gotta, you know,

949
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 2: Sweeten the prize massage, Yeah, massage a little bit. Help

950
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 2: him out with streaming. He helps me out, So I'll

951
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 2: scratch your back, you scratch my back. Absolutely, he's a bulldog.

952
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 2: He's one of our favorite players. We talked about how

953
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: good he was in the first half, and he really was.

954
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: He was an absolute beast. Twenty five percent kate one

955
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: point zero six whip two point six six ERA All Star,

956
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 2: All Star. But that also seems like that was the

957
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 2: demise of this season.

958
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: Was going to Colorado, but Mikessino home run that ruined

959
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: the whole thing because he just was not the same

960
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: after it.

961
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: His k rate dropped seven percent.

962
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: His whip with seven percent seven points seven percent would

963
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: be a drop of like seven percent.

964
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, seven points seven points to eighteen point

965
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 2: six percent one point three to seven whip seven r.

966
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 2: I mean, the numbers were pretty shocking, and a lot

967
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: of his expected stats were also just as bad. His

968
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: ex Sip was in the high fives. Like, it's just

969
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,479
Speaker 2: he really fell apart at the season. And what's weird

970
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: is he did sprinkle in some good performances.

971
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: He did he actually there were a couple of starts

972
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: in September where Taiwan really gutted them out and Drew

973
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: gave us some very good starts.

974
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: And again it's super important to note that he threw

975
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: what sixty five innings in the three years combined before

976
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: going into twenty twenty. If it's something you watched in

977
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: the World Series Game six, they showed a big chart

978
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: about innings pitched and the basically the percentage points that

979
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: they jumped up in a season, and a guy like

980
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 2: Luis Garcia, who pitched in Game six of the World Series,

981
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: his innings jumped one thousand percent, and you could tell

982
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: with his stuff. The one thing I will say about Taiwan.

983
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: That's that's the bullshit stab always one thousand percent, that's

984
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: just yeah, that's just even.

985
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: But even then, like they're the innings thing is real

986
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 2: for quality of players, and for a guy like Taiwan

987
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: who literally hadn't pitched in three years. Basically, I think

988
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: it was still important to see that he was still

989
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: throwing in the mid nineties going into September League. There

990
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: was no doubt of positives mixed in with a lot

991
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 2: of shit. And that number of sixty seven innings.

992
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: Taiwan Walker through sixty seven innings in the last three

993
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: seasons combined, and this year he threw one hundred and sixty.

994
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: That's a massive, massive job. But I do give him

995
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: credit for those innings. I really hope it doesn't inverously

996
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: affect his performance next year. But if I have told

997
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: you the beginning of the season, that's Taiwan Walker will

998
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: end the year with a four or five R sign

999
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: me up for ten million dollars. That's kind of I

1000
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: bet what the men and one hundred and sixty innings.

1001
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: I think that's a big thing.

1002
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 2: That's the era was manageable because realistically, if you're not

1003
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: scoring five runs a game, it is going to be

1004
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: a little tough to win, definitely, And you give me

1005
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty innings of that as a guy

1006
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: who's the back end of the rotation, that's a fantastic

1007
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 2: job from Taiwan coming off of all this stuff, I

1008
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: mean to add that on top of it. While the

1009
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: while the year wasn't as great as it started, I

1010
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: do think he still ended up with a really nice year.

1011
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: It's just he took a topsy turvy way to get there.

1012
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: If Tom Walker had just been like kohlerve in the

1013
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: entire year, Tyler Anderson the whole year, these guys had

1014
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: very similar eras of Tywan Walker and we're qualified pitchers,

1015
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: he would have been like, yeah, sure, sign me up.

1016
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: That's great. But it was just weird to watch him.

1017
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 1: The fact that he was so good had Mets fans

1018
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: thinking we really fed lighting in the bottle to being

1019
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: so bad, like wow, we can't really watch this got

1020
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: pitched every five days. Just maybe just look look good.

1021
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: Look at the whole rather than some of its parks.

1022
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: Because I think if the Mets had the actual depth

1023
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 1: that we thought they were going to have and probably

1024
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: should have recruited more of than the offseason, to Walker

1025
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: could have taken a three week four week break and

1026
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: he probably wouldn't have been as bad as he was

1027
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: and probably gotten that era into the low fours, high threes,

1028
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: which is like a philosophical debate of how much you

1029
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: want your pitchers to pitch. We saw that a lot

1030
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: during the playoffs, how much we want pitchers to pitch.

1031
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 1: Writing an article right now for pitcher Less about why

1032
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: Zack Wheler should win the CIM because of how much

1033
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: he pitching, how well it was if Tywan Walker was

1034
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: just one hundred and twenty in a guy with three

1035
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: six ERA probably more valuable to the Mets. And maybe

1036
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: next year we're in a position where we actually can

1037
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: facilitate that.

1038
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I still think Taiwan ended up having a

1039
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 2: pretty solid year. For me, I'm gonna give Taiwan a

1040
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: B again, a C plus. Yeah, I think he's definitely

1041
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 2: better than we expected. I think still, Yeah, and time

1042
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: even so, I'm confidently going into next year now that

1043
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: he does have these innings under his belt, that he's

1044
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: gonna be able to come back stronger and have a

1045
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: really nice season going into twenty twenty two.

1046
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: Or they toasted his arms. There's another and there's the

1047
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: Mets fault again, which we'll be.

1048
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: Talking about that all next season. Head, let's talk about

1049
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 2: what are your least favorite guys and the guy that

1050
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 2: I was a little hyped on, and boy was I wrong.

1051
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: James mccannon, Yeah, your namesake, Yep, that felt teddy you.

1052
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure Just mcann't a good guy. We've

1053
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:50,959
Speaker 1: heard he's a man of faith.

1054
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: He's a man of faith, but boy is he not

1055
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: much of a plan.

1056
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: No. I mean talking about how great Taiwan's production wants

1057
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: for ten million dollars, and you look at James McCann

1058
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 1: you're like, damn it, this was not worth ten million dollars.

1059
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 2: James McKinnon's defense because I gotta defend the guy because

1060
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 2: he was my dude coming into the year. The Mets

1061
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 2: used him so wrong. They misplayed James mccannon to a t.

1062
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like you you want to left people tune

1063
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: for a catcher, like that's not how it works, well, correct, Yeah.

1064
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: And that's why the ten million dollar valuations crazy. But

1065
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 2: like against lefties, he was fine. He had a seven

1066
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 2: forty three ops against lefties. That's who he should be facing.

1067
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: He should be facing with saying hit right handed pitchers

1068
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: because he just actually has no clue how to hit

1069
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 2: right you know, but usually you're gonna face right handed

1070
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 2: pitchers like you're not gonna have another catcher hits right handers,

1071
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: because not that many lefty catchers give me Jays.

1072
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would take Jason Casher as a batoon poinder.

1073
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: But you're we're also as the one positive for James McCann.

1074
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: You're citing one hundred and twenty play the pier and

1075
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 1: sample and using ops.

1076
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 2: It's just not sat there.

1077
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: If he had like, what six of his eleven home

1078
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: runs against left he's really gonna sway those number. It's like,

1079
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: it's just not that good, and it's it was just

1080
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: really hard to expect really anything out of James mccanner.

1081
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: This was like giving like a nine year old he's

1082
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: to a car and saying, drive kid, I know you can.

1083
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 1: James mccannon has never had more than two point two

1084
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: four in a season. James mccannon only had above a

1085
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: ninety five w RC plugs one time, besides his thirty

1086
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: game sample in twenty twenty that got him this contract.

1087
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: James mccahn was never a guy who was like this

1088
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: is a bona fide started catcher in the major league.

1089
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 2: He was always a platoon guy.

1090
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: He was always a fine defensive player, a good like

1091
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: a good presence like James mccannon still strikes me as

1092
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: like a leader, a guy with like a good like

1093
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: good mantras, A good game, Yeah, he calls a good game.

1094
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: He's like a good guy to have around. He just

1095
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: like looks like a catcher. That's a big party that

1096
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: I think, and like it just was never gonna be there.

1097
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 2: I was.

1098
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: I'd never I never saw the possibility James mccannon was

1099
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: going to give us plus value on this contract and

1100
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: now we're looking at three more years of this down

1101
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: the barrel.

1102
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, the wolve was pulled over my eyes.

1103
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 1: I got swindled hard on me as jumped the catching

1104
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 1: market on James McCann.

1105
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: The big uh, The big problem with James McCann, as

1106
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 2: we talked about with some of the other players on

1107
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: the Mets team, like McNeil, is that he just hits

1108
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: way too many ground balls. He was the king of

1109
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: the double player this year. It was unbelievable. It kills

1110
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 2: bugs and he especially like how baseball's played now. You

1111
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: can't hit ground balls and be successful. It's so hard.

1112
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: And you saw it even with guys who were significantly

1113
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: better players like Christian Yellich or even though, to say

1114
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: Josh Bell, who won so though. Yeah, like when you

1115
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: hit a lot of ground balls one so it was

1116
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: a little different.

1117
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: But one so though has ground ball rate even for

1118
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: this year though, was still about fifty four percent, and

1119
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 1: that that can keep. And most of those ground balls

1120
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: were in the first half the season when he was

1121
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 1: really struggling. And to be fair with one so two

1122
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: he just hits the ball way harder than James of course,

1123
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: so you can get.

1124
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:21,959
Speaker 2: Away with the ground balls more, but.

1125
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: Especially when there's the less obvious way to shift, and

1126
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: when you're also not slow as molasses and the infielders

1127
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: can't play in the outfield grass and throw you out.

1128
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: Still, yes, So James mccaann, if he wants to be successful,

1129
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: he's got to hit the ball in the air more.

1130
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: He's got to at least try to get extra base hits. Definitely,

1131
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 1: but we're going in the wrong direction. This year, James

1132
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: mccannon set a career high in ground ball rate fifty

1133
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: two percent, Like you can't have those, the twenty seventh

1134
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: highest in alive baseball, and he was actually less ground

1135
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: balls than one so though, which I found incredibly interesting.

1136
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: Slightly higher, but like.

1137
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: James mccannon had a two forty one batting average on

1138
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: ground balls. I'm not gonna talk about btting average very often,

1139
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: but I use this for McNeil if. It's very indicative

1140
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: of how guys can become worse when they hit the

1141
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: ball on the ground and the teams shift and then

1142
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: James mcan's case and you can't run like we got

1143
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: with the Wilson Ramos and we got Wilson Ramos.

1144
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 2: He's just a better defensive Wilson Ramos at this point,

1145
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 2: which is unfortunate because Wilson Ramos is seventy five years old.

1146
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: Wilson Ramos just chooses not to run, and it's not

1147
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: like he can't, he just doesn't. The man has seen

1148
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: some shit, but he's not an athlete. No, yeah, had

1149
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: Wilfs Ramas. Okay, if the kidnapping, we had some kidnapping

1150
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: talk a few weeks ago. Crazy stuff, but more than

1151
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: James mc ground ball batting average that was by far

1152
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: the lowes of his entire career. And this was also

1153
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: the first time in his career that has expecting average

1154
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: on ground balls as actual batting average on ground balls

1155
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: are very close together, which would tell you that this

1156
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: was the first year we actually saw James mccat's.

1157
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: True talent in those ground balls.

1158
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: And to tie it all together, he had a two

1159
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: fourteen wOBA on grounders, which is just incredibly low. That's

1160
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: way blow replacement level of major League baseball player. And

1161
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: that was even much lower than twenty eighteen, the year

1162
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: he was non tendered by the Detroit Tigers. Just to

1163
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: give you a sense of how bad James McCann was

1164
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: the plate this year. And I hate to say I

1165
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 1: told you so, but I really I was really all

1166
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: over this one.

1167
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: Yeah you did.

1168
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: I look like a fool for this one. James Kanya

1169
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: was an F for me cause the game of the

1170
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: d because he was okay behind the plane.

1171
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: He's an F because he spurrened me.

1172
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: I'm a buster Onney and James we can now, Oh

1173
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: my god, I mean I get credit words to do it,

1174
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: like if you're gonna be vindictive, be vindictive all the time.

1175
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. So that was a tough season for James.

1176
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: We can hey, can't play worse, right, No, can't can't

1177
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: get much worse. I guess all right, Well, let's move

1178
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: on to a guy that I think will be a

1179
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: positive ending for us here, Rookie pitcher, not Tyler Tyl

1180
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: Lord McGill, which, uh, he was pretty He was pretty

1181
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: awesome to watch I think this year, and I think

1182
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: surprised a lot of people, us included, kind of came

1183
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: out of nowhere. Didn't pitch above double A right before

1184
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: this year, single single A, didn't pitch aboff single A

1185
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: yet never pitched in double A. That's what it was.

1186
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 2: While he came back to Earth. Yeah, he was still

1187
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 2: really a nice piece for us to have.

1188
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: He there's gonna be a sad sentence to say out loud,

1189
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: but he was one of the brightest spots for the

1190
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: Mets this season. Yeah, that is a sad sentence, but

1191
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: like there was a time when the Mets were still competitive.

1192
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: Is still a first place where he literally saved the day.

1193
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 1: From when he came up on June twenty third until

1194
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: July twenty eighth, the first seven starts of his career,

1195
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 1: Tyler McGill threw thirty five innings, He struck out thirty

1196
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: nine batters, He had a two point zho four ERA,

1197
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: and he gave up three earned runs or less in

1198
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: every single start. That's the definition of keeping your team

1199
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: in the game, and the Mets were able to win

1200
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: a lot of those games they probably had no business winning.

1201
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: When we did see the true talent of this team

1202
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: down the stretch against good teams like the Brewers and

1203
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: the Braves and the Phillies. Okay, team during a time

1204
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: in late June early July, when they were fighting and

1205
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: stratching claw and keeping their head above water.

1206
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: It was that was when the Mets season was that

1207
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: it's most fun, you know it was. It was a

1208
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: big part of it. And I drew a lot of

1209
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: parallels to Lugo and Geselman from the twenty sixteen season.

1210
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: I think he was very similar to those guys incredible

1211
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 2: in those seasons we needed pitching. They came up kind

1212
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: of seemingly out of nowhere as well and made impacts. Now,

1213
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 2: is Tyler McGill slotted to be in this rotation next

1214
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: year right off the rip, No, he's gonna have to

1215
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: earn a spot. But I think at the absolute worst

1216
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 2: with him, he's in the bullpen as like a long

1217
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: kind of stretch guy, maybe a swingman whatever it is,

1218
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: and can be at least at the start of the season,

1219
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 2: the guy who can make a start every six days

1220
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: to give that rotation a little bit more length and

1221
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 2: kind of manage the innings better.

1222
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 1: Definitely, And we gave some shit to Kate Feldman, which

1223
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: she said Tyler McGill was reliever a few months ago.

1224
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: But I do think that Tyler McGill could have an

1225
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: incredibly successful career as his middling reliever because the thing

1226
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: that he really struggled with was just being able to

1227
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: vary his repertoire enough to keep teams off balance. Like

1228
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: I remember those back to back starts he made against

1229
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: the Giants Smack where the first one you pitched seven inning,

1230
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: struck out ten guys. Next time he didn't get out

1231
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 1: of a third inning, and that just kind of falls

1232
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: on his pitch repertoire. And I think when you see

1233
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: Tyler McGill once right now, at least how it is,

1234
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: you kind of know what you're getting, definitely, and you

1235
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: saw that with teams that saw him a second or

1236
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: a third time, especially because again he throws six between

1237
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: fifteen and sixty percent fastballs at a good velocity, but

1238
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: not in a lead velosity. But you turn this guy

1239
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: into a two to three inning guy in the bullpen,

1240
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: you're guessing all of a sudden ninety eight ninety nine

1241
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: I said ninety five ninety six.

1242
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: The thing the Rays would do with Tyler McGill, Yeah,

1243
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 2: he would be unbelievab.

1244
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he would do what like they did with Waka

1245
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: this year and not comparing to tylerm gill and Michael Waka,

1246
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: don't know anyone think that, yeah, or like Riss Mussen. Yeah,

1247
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: we're like, I know, you have a really good fastball

1248
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: and a really good slider and the third pitch might

1249
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: really not be there, which was Tyler McGill's change up,

1250
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: which really had oscillating success this season. But we're gonna

1251
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: really bring you in slowly. You're throwing sixty pitches. I

1252
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: want you to throw the shit at that fastball. Kind

1253
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: Druz Musen actually is a pretty good comp and Rasmusen

1254
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: has better ride and more moving on a slider than McGill,

1255
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: but it's the same bones there. And also that change

1256
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: up just was a little inconsistent, which was the scatthering

1257
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: port that we initially got.

1258
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 2: And even though it didn't look that way at first.

1259
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: My apologies Joe to May, I gave him some shit

1260
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: on here, but there were times that looked good and

1261
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: times didn't. And if you look at it. It's it's

1262
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 1: moving profile and Baseball savon and it's spin spin direction.

1263
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: It was incredibly inconsistent. Usually when you scroll all the

1264
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: way down the pitching page and you see a guy's

1265
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: spin direction, you see like large bars coming off of

1266
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: a clock, because usually pitchers are very consistent, which is

1267
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: the way they grip their pitches, in the way they

1268
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: spin it, ultimately the way they move.

1269
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 2: Tyler McGill's was not.

1270
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: Tyler McGill was running up the entire area of the

1271
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 1: clock between six and twelve, really seeming like he was

1272
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: tickering with it and not able to get it to

1273
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: locate and move as consistently as he would have wanted.

1274
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 2: And that's something we can develop.

1275
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: Like, that's a fine place to be for Tyler McGill

1276
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 1: as a rookie who did not pitch above Hyay that's

1277
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: going into this season.

1278
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got Hefner, We got Hefner. I would love

1279
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 2: to see what a full spring training, a full off

1280
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 2: season working with a guy like that is going to do,

1281
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 2: because if this is just scratching the surface with Tyler McGill,

1282
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: I'm feeling very excited about what he could turn itto.

1283
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 2: He's not gonna be Jacob deGrom which no, no, no, yeah,

1284
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: those were jokes. Those were jokes. But I think he

1285
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 2: can end up being a very competent starter or at

1286
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 2: the absolute worst, like you said, a pretty elite reliever.

1287
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, or just a guy who comes in for the

1288
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: first three innings then you piggyback him another guy for

1289
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: the first three innings, Like I'm like, you could do

1290
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: that with Like you could pitch Taiwan four innings to

1291
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: keep his workload low early in the season, and throw

1292
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: Tyler McGill for two or three, and suddenly we're in

1293
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: the eighth inning and we got Lugo Diaz. Like, those

1294
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: are guys who could piggyback on each other and be

1295
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: incredibly successful. A guy like Joe Lukey's gonna come back

1296
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: to the point next year, and he is under contract

1297
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,479
Speaker 1: someone we've all forgotten about. Joey Lukeazy and Tyler McGill

1298
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: would make great partners to be piggybacking because they basically

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00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: have two really guys.

1300
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 2: Joe Kaysey has one.

1301
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, but you make a full repertoire those two guys,

1302
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: and you could really throw six seven innings with two

1303
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: of them combined. Like we really shouldn't be shying away

1304
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: from things like this because we see other teams in

1305
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: baseball very successful. I think about Chritian Javier come in

1306
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: for two three innings at the time. I think about

1307
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: how Osker, you know, he started pitching this year for

1308
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 1: the Braves, pitching two three innings at the time.

1309
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:29,919
Speaker 2: These guys ended up being able to work up.

1310
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: To five six innings because the stuff played up and

1311
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: they gain more confidence, they gain more ability in those

1312
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: pitches they were good with. But there's definitely his pathway

1313
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: for Tyler McGill to be a very, very good Major

1314
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: leaguer in any role the Mets.

1315
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 2: Use him in YEP, and I think it's gonna be great.

1316
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: He's gonna be very versatile, and I think the Mets

1317
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 2: are gonna use him as versatility to their advantage, as

1318
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 2: they should because it's a key, key thing that he

1319
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 2: has for us. I think we both agree it's gonna

1320
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: get a be great. He had a very solid, very

1321
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: self season.

1322
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: B I don't know where this Mets team would have

1323
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: been with that Tyler McGill, which is a crazy sense,

1324
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: but we.

1325
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: Would have dropped off way earlier than we did.

1326
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: Yes, but he kept us around he kept us a

1327
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 1: float and he's got big dick energy. He is a swag,

1328
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: which is why he might not even like a three

1329
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: inning role. No, No, he wants to start the game

1330
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 1: and he wants to finish the game.

1331
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: Yes, I got respect that we got a bunch of

1332
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: We had a bunch of bulldogs this year on the mound.

1333
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: Can't deny that. Definitely.

1334
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: It just made I just want everyone to be in

1335
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 1: the same organizational page next year when it turn comes

1336
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: down to roles.

1337
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 2: We can't. Can't be dinosaurs and not thinking here. No,

1338
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 2: And that kind of leads into our final thought here,

1339
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 2: which is President Baseball Operations talk. There's a lot, but

1340
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: there's also not a lot. There's nothing, but there's everything.

1341
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 2: So we got some names to throw out you and

1342
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 2: this leads into baseball you know, theories and how the

1343
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 2: team should be run. Got Raquel Ferreira, who's with the

1344
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 2: Boston Red Sox forever forever assistant GM I think recently, right,

1345
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 2: that's the most recent title.

1346
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: She was hired by the Red Sox in nineteen ninety

1347
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: nine as an executive assistant. So Raccell Ferrera was hired

1348
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: five years before the Chris of the Bambino was broken,

1349
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: just to give you a sense of how long she's

1350
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: been with this team and how much the image and

1351
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: the perception of the Red Sox has changed during her tenure.

1352
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 2: And of course she didn't do a lot of early

1353
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 2: she was executly assistant.

1354
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: She ended up working up to a minor league administrative

1355
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: role in the early in mid two thousands, and then

1356
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: became the VP of All Baseball Administration twenty fourteen and

1357
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: has been the Vice president and Assistant GM of the

1358
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: entire organization since twenty nineteen.

1359
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 2: Also worth noting she stuck around with him coming in. Yes,

1360
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 2: him's got to think something of her. And if if

1361
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 2: I'm like she, I like you.

1362
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: If you spent any time in Heim Bloom, you should

1363
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: be interviewing for this job, like no doubt about it.

1364
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: And theo Ebstein actually credits Riquel Ferrera with implementing the

1365
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: Red Sox system of player development that turned out to

1366
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: be the backbone of that organization during the mid two

1367
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: thousands when she got the minor league administrative job, So

1368
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 1: she is incredibly qualified. She actually held the highest position

1369
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,280
Speaker 1: of any woman in a front office until.

1370
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 2: Kim Kim Ung Kimming Kim Hung I think.

1371
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: Kim Ung Kiming Kim inj got the general manager job

1372
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: with the Marlins last offseason. So Rackel Frera is incredibly

1373
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: qualified and I would love to see her get into

1374
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: the building for this job, get interviewed, and even I

1375
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: would love to see her runner baseball operations. But we're

1376
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: in the middle of an another source off between Mike

1377
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: Meyer and Joel Sherman. Mike Myers says, no, she's out.

1378
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: Joel Sherman says, yes, she's still in. Maybe you guys

1379
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: will know by the time this podcast drops later today.

1380
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: But I just hate I hate this not knowing. I

1381
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: just hate them not knowing.

1382
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:11,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate the source off. It's really it's really

1383
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 2: frustrated because it seems like nobody has any idea. And

1384
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 2: that kind of leaves back to what we said earlier

1385
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 2: about Buster Rolline. Let's just not leaking information.

1386
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: It seems like I guess not and someone I think,

1387
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 1: I think maybe Jolly. I'll have had this point a

1388
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago that most teams, when they're doing this,

1389
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: they're turning over every stone. So a lot of people

1390
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: are going to decline, a lot of people are gonna

1391
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 1: be involved you'll know about.

1392
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 2: But not all of.

1393
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: These negotiations are as public as they are with the

1394
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: New York Mets. So with the New York Mets, since

1395
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: we have so many beat reports and so many active

1396
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: people on Twitter, and we have everyone in their mother

1397
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: including Jack Ramsey for some reason, trying to break news

1398
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,959
Speaker 1: about the New York Mets, You're gonna learn more things

1399
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: and then they might not all even be true. So

1400
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: you really just have to continue to block this out.

1401
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: It's gonna happen. Just think of it like Christmas morning.

1402
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: One day, it's gonna go down and open the present.

1403
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a GM. You might not like the present.

1404
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: I can say that honestly because we're getting down to

1405
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: like the third level now of these of these GM

1406
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 1: that we were interviewing. Oh what happened to Josh burtn

1407
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: Someone kill him? Like if someone take his phone? Like,

1408
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: we're happy with that guy, go, but just ignore the noise.

1409
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: For kol Fere would be a great higher I hope

1410
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: she is still in the mix. We will know, though,

1411
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: and that will bring us to another source off news

1412
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 1: that broke this morning that Billy Eppler was being considered

1413
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: for this Mets job and Andy Martinez, one of our

1414
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: favorite guys out there, had a source off with himself,

1415
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: which something I hadn't seen very often. He said that

1416
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: he was in, They say it was out and say

1417
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: he was back in, Like, we're you gonna do that?

1418
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 2: Man? Yeah, I don't want Billy Appler.

1419
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: I don't want Billy up. I don't want anyone a

1420
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: part of the front office. He was ever associated with

1421
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Angels of Ana Hunt, especially.

1422
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 2: During like the last ten years, which has been cheering competency.

1423
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 1: He had five He had five years and Mike Troun

1424
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: got to the playoffs one time and it was a

1425
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: wild card game yea or whatever it was.

1426
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 2: They got knocked out immediately by the Royals. At Again.

1427
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: Billy Upler did go to that team in twenty fifteen.

1428
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: He was salad with already some very bad contracts, including

1429
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: Aberpool Holes and Josh Hamilton two of the.

1430
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 2: Words J Wilson, Yeah, San Harry C.

1431
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: J Wilson Dan at least that Hare pitched, but like

1432
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: he definitely did not do enough with this team to

1433
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 1: warrant consideration for any other jobs he did there. Minor

1434
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: League were up a lot during this time, though, the

1435
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: Angels have a I would say a decent system, but

1436
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: then you have guys like Read Detmer saying that as

1437
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: a minor league pitcher, you have to put it on

1438
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: yourself and your organization doesn't give you everything you need.

1439
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 2: And this is something that I've actually heard about the

1440
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:16,439
Speaker 2: Angels organization through good friend Jabbari Blash. Now, not much

1441
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 2: of a major league career from Jabbari, but he was

1442
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 2: in the Angel organization. Became friendly with him, and while

1443
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 2: sitting down and having dinner with him one night, he

1444
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 2: talked about and I can say this now he's no

1445
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 2: longer playing baseball, how the Angels and specifically Mikes Oshia,

1446
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 2: who's gone now, but the Angels organization, Billy Appler was

1447
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: a part of this at this time. Year you got

1448
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 2: the job in twenty fifteen. Yeah, this was like twenty eighteen,

1449
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 2: seventeen eighteen. The Angels were so anti analytics. Apparently, if

1450
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 2: you talk to analytics in the dugout or in the clubhouse,

1451
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 2: Mike Sooshia would throw a chair at you kind of

1452
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: he was so against it. Now while Mike so Osha

1453
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 2: isn't there, It fed through the entire minor league system

1454
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: that the Angels just don't really give you the tools,

1455
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 2: don't give the players the information to be successful. And

1456
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: to me, if you were a part of an organization

1457
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 2: during that time, get the fuck away please if you

1458
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 2: are not giving players enough information. This is why, by

1459
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 2: the way, Mike Shit was fired yes, because there was

1460
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 2: just not enough information being shared, and I'm sure why

1461
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 2: he also wasn't hired yes to be the Padres coach.

1462
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 2: We gotta stay away from these dinosaurs, and it seems

1463
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 2: like right now Billy Eppler is just not a smart

1464
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 2: decision when while he might be a name you know,

1465
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 2: it shouldn't be a name that you want. No, definitely,

1466
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 2: And I think it's a lot of just Mets fans

1467
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 2: being tired with this process, which makes sense because it's

1468
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: all that's on Twitter every single day for what we're

1469
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 2: going on four and a half weeks now. I'm tired

1470
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: of it. I'm very tired. I'm so tired of it.

1471
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 2: I would like to wake up and it be March.

1472
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 2: I'm so done, I don't care.

1473
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: But that's also why we moved this conversation to the

1474
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: end of the show rather than leading with it for

1475
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: two straight episodes, because we really just have to change

1476
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: the narrative here, and this can't be something that we

1477
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: harp and focus on forever because it just can't.

1478
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 2: It just really really can't. It's important, but like I've

1479
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 2: just had, I'm done with it. I'm so done. Figure

1480
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 2: it out. Don't even tell me, tell me until they

1481
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 2: actually hire somebody. I'm right there with your brother. We

1482
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 2: also want to give a quick shout out here as

1483
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 2: we're ending the episode to Joseph Stacks's son. We didn't

1484
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 2: get a name for the Sun, but it's his birthday

1485
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 2: coming up here. Happy birthday, my guy, Union County brother,

1486
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 2: live in chash Plans. Yeah, happy birthday. You know who

1487
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 2: you are? Yeah, nine years old? Enjoy that. Yeah, it's good.

1488
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 2: Or ninth great birthday. Nine.

1489
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: That's the best time you're life, man, Go ahead side,

1490
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: I get your needs money, go play some tackle football

1491
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: with your friends.

1492
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 2: Nine was leading into two thousand and six, which was

1493
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 2: my tenth birthday as well as yours. It was good

1494
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 2: year for the Mets.

1495
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: Great year for the Mets, I'll say, after a disappointing

1496
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: two thousand and five when the Mets had a big acquisition,

1497
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: things really fell apart.

1498
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 2: When you thought they'd be good. Spin Zone. There you go,

1499
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 2: spin Zone. It's all coming together. It's all coming together.

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00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 2: That's gonna wrap it up here for episode number fifty

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00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:42,919
Speaker 2: nine of the Mets Stuff Podcast. Make sure you follow

1502
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 2: us on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok at Mets Stup. Won't be

1503
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 2: a YouTube video here, but if you want to watch

1504
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 2: on YouTube Mets Up podcast you can find us there.

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