Speaker 1: I'd just be grateful to play in a bin evening.
Speaker 2: Everyone. What a weird and unsettling few months it's been
Speaker 2: since we were last together. I hope that you're doing okay.
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Speaker 2: I'm Greg, and between my co host Stewart and I
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Speaker 2: Some special plans for our one hundredth episode that's coming
Speaker 2: up as well. But onto tonight's guests. They are Joe
Speaker 2: Talbot and Mark Bone from the band Idols. They released
Speaker 2: their eagerly anticipated a third album, Ultremono, on September the
Speaker 2: twenty fifth of this year, twenty twenty. It was a
Speaker 2: day of record breaking heam when I went to go
Speaker 2: and meet them in a slightly airless hotel boardroom in
Speaker 2: East London back in early August because of the COVID restrictions.
Speaker 2: They'd been hold up there all week doing photo shoots
Speaker 2: and videos and speaking to press. Hence where the table
Speaker 2: we were sat was strewn with empty coffee cups and
Speaker 2: sweets just to keep them going. Been doing a lot
Speaker 2: of talking and I was the final one in before
Speaker 2: they were released back to Freedom for the weekend. So
Speaker 2: much to talk about with them, though, not least how
Speaker 2: they coped at home and with the band during the
Speaker 2: UK national lockdown due to coronavirus earlier this year. Lots
Speaker 2: of boxing and walking and Joe Wicks live streams by
Speaker 2: the Sound of it. We talked a bit about how
Speaker 2: to navigate releasing a new album in the current circumstances
Speaker 2: obviously all very weird and unusual, and we got into
Speaker 2: chatting about Jamie Cullum he's on the album, Mike Skinner,
Speaker 2: Alan McGhee, Jenny Beth, and lots of other interesting things
Speaker 2: and people that they've been working with. Check out the
Speaker 2: show notes for links to stuff we talked about, and
Speaker 2: also how you can get behind Midnight Chats if you
Speaker 2: are a fan of what we do.
Speaker 3: But here we go.
Speaker 2: It's a pleasure to be back with a new run
Speaker 2: of Midnight Chats. This is episode ninety four with idols.
Speaker 2: Before we get get into it, This episode of Midnight
Speaker 2: Chats is kindly supported by Domino Records, who released loads
Speaker 2: of artists that we love, including past guest on the podcast, Georgia.
Speaker 2: Since she appeared on the podcast in May twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: Georgia made the BBC Sound Long List and her second album,
Speaker 2: Seeking Thrills, was nominated for the twenty twenty Mercury Prize.
Speaker 2: She's collaborated with Gorillas on their current song Machine project
Speaker 2: remix Jesse Ware's What's Your Pleasure and reworked her own
Speaker 2: track feel It with Young Baby Tait, co produced by
Speaker 2: another past guest on the podcast, Toddler t. Of course,
Speaker 2: this all pails into comparison to the eight out of
Speaker 2: ten album review we gave Seeking Thrills at Loud and
Speaker 2: Quiet a career highlight, I'm sure for Georgia, so thank
Speaker 2: you to Domino for supporting our podcast. Georgia's live dates
Speaker 2: for April and May of twenty twenty one can be
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Speaker 1: Midnight Snach, Midnight Midnight Face, Midnight Match.
Speaker 2: I'm just pleased to see some other human beings. I'm
Speaker 2: going to be honest with you. Today is one of
Speaker 2: the first times that I've ventured out of my flat
Speaker 2: in five months. Got on public transport for the first time,
Speaker 2: which felt joyous but also a little bit weird scary.
Speaker 2: How are you both doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah good. We've been.
Speaker 4: Sat in different rooms with circle cycles of different people
Speaker 4: coming in and out, shaking our hands, high fiving our crotches,
Speaker 4: and spreading.
Speaker 1: Jams all over the place. So we are well and
Speaker 1: truly decherried.
Speaker 4: In the verses of COVID nineteen, but Na, it's I'm good,
Speaker 4: how are you?
Speaker 3: It's of convoluted a strange, bizarre answer. I'm good. It's
Speaker 3: kind of this is nudi us too. It's weird doing
Speaker 3: things that were like completely normal to us. Now you
Speaker 3: feel completely novel and it's a bit strange and you
Speaker 3: feel kind of like the new kidets girl. But it's
Speaker 3: slowly coming back.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I'm done with it all.
Speaker 2: Promoting an album in the age of coronavirus. On a
Speaker 2: practical level, what's that been like?
Speaker 4: All right, Well, we just sat, like I said, We've
Speaker 4: just been in a room, and then people have come
Speaker 4: in a studio and everyone's just all the photographers have
Speaker 4: come to us, and then today we've just been in
Speaker 4: here all day wait for the journalists to come and
Speaker 4: ask me who down in the delco Is.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's been fine. I'm one of those people.
Speaker 1: I'm not very big pictury, like I keep forgetting.
Speaker 4: I think it's a protective thing, self preservation, Like I
Speaker 4: don't need to know just how fucked it is at
Speaker 4: the moment. Obviously I pay attention to the numbers, and
Speaker 4: I'm concerned for the people.
Speaker 1: Around me and others whatever, But really I think it's
Speaker 1: way more terrifying.
Speaker 4: Then I'm letting I'm really scared of how idiotic people
Speaker 4: can be in the masses, just how fucking terrible this
Speaker 4: situation could get.
Speaker 1: But there's no point in thinking about that. There's nothing
Speaker 1: we can do.
Speaker 4: Just vote for labor a few years ago. That's probably
Speaker 4: what we should do.
Speaker 2: Take me back to sort of February March time, and
Speaker 2: what did what's happened end up changing the schedule for
Speaker 2: you in any way? Do we you mid plans and
Speaker 2: sort of down tools. Obviously went into Lockdown the same
Speaker 2: as everybody else, but your circumstances, how did that change?
Speaker 3: Obviously I was in La mixing the album when lock
Speaker 3: Din's were really kind of coming in across Europe and
Speaker 3: stuff like that, and I literally got off my flight
Speaker 3: the day before Lockdown was announced Tier and we just
Speaker 3: finished mixing the album. And actually our master and engineer,
Speaker 3: this guy Bernie Grunman, who's I think he's in his eighties.
Speaker 3: He might be in his eighties, so he's not supposed
Speaker 3: to be anywhere, but he managed to do us a
Speaker 3: favor and he drove in snuck under cover of Darkness
Speaker 3: and mastered the album for us. So luckily we had it.
Speaker 3: We were done. We didn't have anything else to do
Speaker 3: with it, and then we just we had some serious
Speaker 3: conversations about because all shows were just canceled, left, right
Speaker 3: and center, festival season was slowly just dissipating away, and
Speaker 3: we just had some serious conversations about whether or not
Speaker 3: the album could be released without the kind of live
Speaker 3: setting that Idols kind of live in, and whether we
Speaker 3: could handle waiting any longer. We didn't think we could,
Speaker 3: and we also felt that it was really appropriate for
Speaker 3: people to have something still to look forward to. You know,
Speaker 3: people or have had everything taken away from them, Why
Speaker 3: take one more thing away from them? So we thought
Speaker 3: we'd give people an opportunity to have something to look
Speaker 3: forward to. We decided we were going to do things differently.
Speaker 3: We were a lot more transparent with the release. We've
Speaker 3: told people when the singles are coming out, so they
Speaker 3: know that, oh, Tuesday the new Idol single. We've released
Speaker 3: more singles than we would normally for an album. It's
Speaker 3: been different, but in many ways very similar. It just
Speaker 3: we're just not able to quite show what this music
Speaker 3: is live, which is obviously where it lives. So it's
Speaker 3: got that bit. It's been kind of hard.
Speaker 2: And obviously everybody's circumstance is different. Some people. I know
Speaker 2: that when we all had to retreat into our personal
Speaker 2: bubbles at home for that whatever ended up being two
Speaker 2: and a half months or something, what was that like
Speaker 2: for you both, you know, spending all that time at home,
Speaker 2: you know, what was that like and what was your
Speaker 2: communication like with the rest of them?
Speaker 4: And during that period band wise, it was pretty straightforward,
Speaker 4: like we all resided in the fact we just starting
Speaker 4: new album, utilize that down time and I have some
Speaker 4: kind of introspected writing and teach ourselves songwriting a bit more,
Speaker 4: and then like congregate once a week on a zoom
Speaker 4: bad meeting all that shit.
Speaker 1: It was cooled.
Speaker 4: We're just seen as a challenge and we understand our
Speaker 4: privilege and how lucky we are as a band that
Speaker 4: our album had just been released and that we can
Speaker 4: come back to touring at a later date and people
Speaker 4: are still buying our merchandying some of that. So we
Speaker 4: just kind of embraced it, really and saw it as
Speaker 4: a healthy challenge because it was for us, very different
Speaker 4: for a friend's band and other people we know, but
Speaker 4: for us it was okay. And then on a personal level,
Speaker 4: it's tough for me trying to like I didn't see
Speaker 4: my daughter for a bit and then just get my
Speaker 4: head around that. I obviously see it now, but yeah,
Speaker 4: that was a very bizarre time.
Speaker 1: But apart from the fatherhood side of things, like.
Speaker 4: I've learned, I'm definitely an introvert and I enjoyed my
Speaker 4: own company and I started walking, which was like something
Speaker 4: I really was never interested in, but it's really transformed
Speaker 4: my life.
Speaker 2: I did something similar. I created a new routine quite quickly,
Speaker 2: and now that I'm out of that routine, I'm I
Speaker 2: am really missing it, Like I'm missing that sort of
Speaker 2: hour at least a day where I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but when I finished work, I go for a walk,
Speaker 2: and now I'm not doing that. I feel dislodged, disjointed,
Speaker 2: not quite sure what the word is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm definitely a creature. I have it
Speaker 1: if I just really really embraced.
Speaker 4: In situations like this where lots of people go through
Speaker 4: a huge shift in their life. For some that's a
Speaker 4: massive loss and some that's a massive game, depending on
Speaker 4: their situation. For me, it was a it was a
Speaker 4: loss of contact with my daughter, but he's gain in
Speaker 4: downtime from touring and from everything.
Speaker 1: So I just saw that as a privilege.
Speaker 4: And it's like, if I'm not going to be with
Speaker 4: my daughter, I'm going to really put this is a
Speaker 4: good use to do some work and go for walks
Speaker 4: and all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 1: So I really embraced it. I had to really for
Speaker 1: my insanity, what.
Speaker 3: About you beame it was good, like I got to
Speaker 3: hang out with my daughter. Conversely to Joe, it was
Speaker 3: I've been since we had finished her in in December,
Speaker 3: so I've been kind of looking after during the day
Speaker 3: whenever my web works for three months already, so it
Speaker 3: just meant even more time with her, and we've really
Speaker 3: developed a connection, which is great. And I just you know,
Speaker 3: that's the thing I've got to focus on is the
Speaker 3: lucky aspect of this. You know, I as a term musician,
Speaker 3: I don't normally get to hang out with my family
Speaker 3: that much. So it was a real blessing to be
Speaker 3: able to be with her and and see her grow
Speaker 3: up and stuff like that. It's it's amazing. But also,
Speaker 3: I mean, I also really miss live shows. I didn't
Speaker 3: I didn't realize how important it was for my mental
Speaker 3: health to perform. Okay, I a little bit more about
Speaker 3: that both, like physically, I actually like it's really weird,
Speaker 3: Like during Lockdown I realized that, like I need to
Speaker 3: like Violet violently move every.
Speaker 2: So often Joe Wicks every day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, we actually did quite a bit.
Speaker 4: But no, that's the kind of essex essex Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: You you loves Yeah.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so that physical basically need to get.
Speaker 5: Every day literally like an animal, Like I need to
Speaker 5: like lift something heavy and through it or like thrash
Speaker 5: about it like I do on stage, and that gets
Speaker 5: gets that out of my system.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I really missed performing live, but so I've
Speaker 3: had to like I exercise like four times a day.
Speaker 2: Yeah that how does that link to the you mentioned
Speaker 2: on the mental health side of things as well? So
Speaker 2: that did you feel a bit kind of agaphobic? We've
Speaker 2: not to go out and spend.
Speaker 3: Mainly like this kind of like pent up testosterone ridgey thing,
Speaker 3: like I just get angry at stuff. So it's really stupid,
Speaker 3: like it's very animalistic, but I just need to like
Speaker 3: get that out of my system and then i'm like
Speaker 3: the zen person that I normally am.
Speaker 1: Some people you could get it.
Speaker 3: Not that way, like not it's not aggressive. It's like
Speaker 3: just expand that energy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, need help with that.
Speaker 2: You need some people that need taking care of.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I bought a part of Got a punch Bag?
Speaker 3: Did you have to start yet?
Speaker 1: Because I was boxing for like six months before it,
Speaker 1: and then I was like, yeah.
Speaker 4: So I've got a heavy bag, which is like about
Speaker 4: fifty kilograms, a bit lighter than fifty kids heavy.
Speaker 3: Sorry, yeah, that's a bit heavy, isn't it.
Speaker 2: It's really it's no broken risks.
Speaker 4: But honestly, for the first few weeks, it was like
Speaker 4: my wrists like the next day were really.
Speaker 3: Bad, thirty seconds and then done, and you're like.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I did it the wrong way.
Speaker 4: I was doing like I did I was I think
Speaker 4: I started with like eight eight rounds and then I
Speaker 4: went up to ten rounds.
Speaker 3: And it's just three minutes for two minutes.
Speaker 1: It's my it's on my app.
Speaker 3: I tell you here we go.
Speaker 1: It's three minutes three minutes.
Speaker 3: That's intense, stupid. It's like, I haven't I've only been
Speaker 3: doing it for.
Speaker 1: Six months before that.
Speaker 4: It's the fucking stupid idea anyway, But I love fast.
Speaker 2: And that helped as well. Just expend some restless energy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I was.
Speaker 4: I was doing it more just a note how to
Speaker 4: knock someone's head off if I needed to, rather than expending.
Speaker 1: He don't have any pen utridge.
Speaker 3: Joe often comes again up against people that he might
Speaker 3: need to knock her head off.
Speaker 1: And I'm basically I.
Speaker 4: Live in a very dangerous place and there's ninjas everywhere.
Speaker 2: You're still talking about Bristol.
Speaker 1: Now Cardiff, mate, Oh I lived in Cardiff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's ninjas in Cardiff.
Speaker 4: No, no, it was it was It was more for
Speaker 4: exercise to punch bag. It wasn't for expending or fighting
Speaker 4: or anything. It was just like a really good form
Speaker 4: of exercise. Because I find I like to exercise, well,
Speaker 4: I need to not know i'm exercising, So I've put
Speaker 4: little dots on the bag and I focus on getting
Speaker 4: hitting that right and hitting it properly, because if you
Speaker 4: hit something badly, your shoulders out.
Speaker 2: For a month, which quite literally learned the painful way.
Speaker 2: When was the first time that the band got back together.
Speaker 2: You got in a room and you've played music.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, right, so that was two three weeks
Speaker 3: ago ago? Whatever, whenever, whenever, Lockdown was eased enough for
Speaker 3: us to be able to get in the room we
Speaker 3: were in the very first day we signed. It was
Speaker 3: I was really taken aback. We sounded like a really
Speaker 3: terrible idol to cover a band. It was awful and
Speaker 3: like I got scared and I was talking about love.
Speaker 3: My wife was like, you're really talking about this a lot.
Speaker 3: You don't normally talk about this kind of thing a lot.
Speaker 3: And it was so strange because a lot of our music,
Speaker 3: so every example it takes on a mother. We've been
Speaker 3: blamed mother for probably four years and I haven't thought
Speaker 3: about how I play mother for three years, Like I haven't.
Speaker 3: I have no idea what to do with my hands.
Speaker 3: It's all feeling now, and so like I had to
Speaker 3: go back and learn it and like watch videos and go, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's what my hands are, which is just mad and
Speaker 3: very disconcerting them. Because I thought we were going to
Speaker 3: be able to come back in the room and the
Speaker 3: muscle memory would just kick it, and I really didn't
Speaker 3: there was. It was awful and so bad, and we
Speaker 3: could and we were retired after like twenty minutes playing
Speaker 3: and we were like.
Speaker 2: I think a halftime, just some oranges sit on the
Speaker 2: side for a moment.
Speaker 4: The next three weeks are gonna have to be real
Speaker 4: because we've got happy road live sessions.
Speaker 3: It came back quick though.
Speaker 1: It's the fitness though. I don't like we're doing three
Speaker 1: three hours.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be like man, I was just.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like going into the deep end.
Speaker 4: I think it would make for more interesting live sessions
Speaker 4: because it will be a struggle.
Speaker 2: Are you thinking about it? So last night Mike Skinner
Speaker 2: did a Streets live show and just because it was
Speaker 2: a live stream, just played with the format, like moved around.
Speaker 2: It was an Earth in London. There was like a
Speaker 2: stage set and moved around the venue and just kind
Speaker 2: of had fun with it, knowing that unfortunately can be
Speaker 2: doing just a gig in front of people, but made
Speaker 2: the most of what it is. So what when you're rehearsing,
Speaker 2: are you rehearsing like you were for a gig where
Speaker 2: you're rehearsing in your mind You're like, I'm rehearsing kind
Speaker 2: of for like an extended I know, almost like a
Speaker 2: TV performance.
Speaker 4: It's n not a lot of TV performances are so
Speaker 4: weird mm because for me it's like it's it's a gig.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna picture the audience those.
Speaker 1: You know how many people are bought tickets.
Speaker 6: And couple of thousand, whatever, Just picture them.
Speaker 4: Before I go in, and then just really focus on
Speaker 4: the music when I'm playing, like pot, focus on the.
Speaker 1: Song and what I mean.
Speaker 6: Cause it's a new thing. It's not like life. It's
Speaker 6: not a gig, but you treat it like right.
Speaker 4: You practice and practice and practice, and just be as
Speaker 4: momentary present as possible by letting go y, I think
Speaker 4: it's kind of to be as honest as possible with it.
Speaker 4: You know, that's why we're doing that Abbey Roads and
Speaker 4: not Venus, because we.
Speaker 6: Know it's not a gig, so we can make more
Speaker 6: of it with the recording and the sound and the
Speaker 6: quality of that and the venue being of interest is
Speaker 6: just more interesting for the ticket buyer.
Speaker 1: Is fucking what it is.
Speaker 4: It is a very strange clash of circumstance, which is
Speaker 4: a good challenge for us. I think that it's important
Speaker 4: that we've got something like that to please.
Speaker 2: As you said earlier, almost not thinking too much about
Speaker 2: the current situation, you're rehearsing for a couple of special
Speaker 2: live stream performances. Normally, what would happen is Idol would
Speaker 2: go on tour for a year eighteen months once you
Speaker 2: release a record, that's not going to happen for the moment.
Speaker 2: Have you allowed your mind to go there? You pessimistic
Speaker 2: about the idea of doing that at some stage, optimistic
Speaker 2: at the moment, have even been thinking about it at all?
Speaker 4: I have to really, just because we need to know
Speaker 4: when we always have six months onwards, so we've normally
Speaker 4: got eighteen months planned ahead of us. It's been twelve
Speaker 4: months for quite a long time, but in the last
Speaker 4: year or two it's been eighteen months. Obviously we've changes
Speaker 4: here and there all the time, but it's just how
Speaker 4: we work. So yeah, we have to know, and that
Speaker 4: means like making difficult decisions that other bands might not
Speaker 4: like when we start or obviously if you've got an
Speaker 4: eighteen month plan, it's like trying to predict one of
Speaker 4: the most unpredictable times in human history at the behest
Speaker 4: and the cost of loads of your friends and their jobs.
Speaker 4: So it's very bizarre. We have to think were constantly.
Speaker 4: We're very conscientious. You know, people have faith in us,
Speaker 4: people spend money on us. We're a business as well
Speaker 4: as an art collective, so we need to be conscientious
Speaker 4: to that and do right by our people.
Speaker 2: So as soon as it's safe to get back out there,
Speaker 2: you'll be You can't wait for that moment, presumably.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's there in our mind, fuck ya.
Speaker 3: But also, you know, we are thinking, are the things
Speaker 3: that we do. You still have control over things we
Speaker 3: are still able to do. So we're focusing on writing
Speaker 3: and recording and getting things together for another album. But
Speaker 3: you know, we'll drop that out as soon as we
Speaker 3: can if we find out we can go play Guatemala
Speaker 3: and we'll go play Guatemala's if for us today.
Speaker 2: So would you be good if you didn't get the
Speaker 2: chance to tour Ultra Mono in the same way that
Speaker 2: you have done with the previous two albums.
Speaker 3: We will, you will, you will.
Speaker 2: You're waiting until the time is right. You wouldn't kind
Speaker 2: of say say there's no gigs for another year eighteen months.
Speaker 4: We will tour it exactly as we would have before.
Speaker 4: It deserves it, and our audience will appreciate it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like that is one serious bottleneck ready to go off.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, we love playing live as much as
Speaker 4: people love going to see live music. So I think
Speaker 4: the marriage of that, when we are all allowed back
Speaker 4: into a room where there was no social fucking distancing,
Speaker 4: it's going to be insane.
Speaker 2: From a punter perspective. I mean, I'm not on stage
Speaker 2: like you guys are, but it does feel very odd
Speaker 2: to have been starved with that experience for getting on
Speaker 2: for six months now.
Speaker 4: So I mean, like just seeings that I was thinking
Speaker 4: about this the other day, I'm now really excited about
Speaker 4: going to see Proto Marters album at festivals. I'm really
Speaker 4: excited about seeing girl band's album because they've also amazing
Speaker 4: life and I've been disallowed those tours and at.
Speaker 6: The moment, like those festivals, so are normally be like,
Speaker 6: oh yeah, I'll gus to. Everyone's going to be like
Speaker 6: for the first time film.
Speaker 4: If people are honest, festivals are fucking you know, hard.
Speaker 4: They're a hard gig for artists, not for punters, for
Speaker 4: for artists because it's not their show. It's like an
Speaker 4: away gig. It's not an away game, you know. But
Speaker 4: I think not ILike I'd just be grateful to play
Speaker 4: in a.
Speaker 1: Bin, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: So, like first showback, I think the atmosphere backstage at
Speaker 4: festivals is going to be uncommonly electric.
Speaker 1: I think for the first time it's going to things
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm so excited, but it's so far away when.
Speaker 2: I watch all the glass and by footage. This year
Speaker 2: that was a real Obviously my mind has gone back
Speaker 2: to thinking about shows a lot, but that particular weekend
Speaker 2: and just consuming all of the all of the footage
Speaker 2: and all of the performances and stuff in it. Well,
Speaker 2: just it was the equal parts enjoyable and gutting not
Speaker 2: to have any of those events.
Speaker 4: Having in Yeah, but now the fiftieth anniversary classes will
Speaker 4: probably have idols playing at it.
Speaker 3: So there you go.
Speaker 1: That would be good. You're welcome. That's a joke.
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Speaker 2: You've got some miniature Harry Bows there as well, and
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go, it's Harry Boy snack.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a staple part of your diety. Is
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Speaker 3: You know, I need a snack. That's not your snack,
Speaker 3: Harry Bows the place.
Speaker 2: Is a snack normally savory.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. What banana is a snack?
Speaker 2: Is it not called banana sna It's not a tree,
Speaker 2: is it?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: I'd call n tell.
Speaker 4: On toast about dressing on you.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you both about some of the
Speaker 2: projects that have and since Joy, since the release of
Speaker 2: the last album, and stuff that's happened in the last
Speaker 2: few months. Joe, you got stuck into Bally TV. If
Speaker 2: you wanted to do something like that for a long
Speaker 2: time or was that idea born out of what's been
Speaker 2: going on the last few months.
Speaker 1: Good question.
Speaker 4: I've wanted to do it for a while, not not
Speaker 4: Bally TV. Bally TV, yes, called Bally TV. But I
Speaker 4: wanted to do something in between T five Friday, the Tube,
Speaker 4: shooting stars, basically anything from the late nineties, and also,
Speaker 4: like Jules Holland, just like predominantly be a music show
Speaker 4: where there's a live performance and then I chat to
Speaker 4: people afterwards. But it wouldn't look and be the same
Speaker 4: because obviously on ballyt TV. It's just obviously remotely filmed
Speaker 4: and remotely produced and there's no live music and shit
Speaker 4: like that, but it's just a really nice start to
Speaker 4: my my contribution to TV. Really, like I just really am.
Speaker 4: I feel like, just like when I started Idols with
Speaker 4: dev and Bowen, there's just no good music TV anymore.
Speaker 4: MTV doesn't have any fucking music on it, and there's
Speaker 4: nothing real about reality.
Speaker 1: TV and stuff.
Speaker 4: So it would be nice to just again, just like
Speaker 4: like we did with the band, is like, just have
Speaker 4: a bit of a fairer representation of what real means
Speaker 4: and I have interesting and interested conversations about music by
Speaker 4: musicians who actually are important to.
Speaker 1: Sanity rather than custom what's.
Speaker 2: Some of your favorite moments of that being so far.
Speaker 4: Nadia from Pussy Riot, Just encountering hers great, She's scary
Speaker 4: and very chill.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 4: Talking to Kenny Beats and Kate Tempest and my friend
Speaker 4: Bobby was a beautiful time, very you know, because obviously
Speaker 4: I'm the mediator between different personalities, so they.
Speaker 1: Were all great.
Speaker 4: Every guest was interesting and interested. But when you're the media,
Speaker 4: it's like having a birthday party.
Speaker 1: You're the one who has the least fun.
Speaker 4: Everyone else is like weally cake ship faced by, whereas
Speaker 4: the person who's having the birthday has the least fine.
Speaker 4: And it just felt like the Kate Tempest and Kenny
Speaker 4: Bat's one.
Speaker 1: I didn't need to be there.
Speaker 4: I just listened Stunding and Bobby as well, my mate
Speaker 4: Bobby answer.
Speaker 1: They were all.
Speaker 4: Just just it was a really beautiful combination of personality.
Speaker 1: Said.
Speaker 4: I was just like, oh, this is fascinating, and I
Speaker 4: just got more and more confident with it. And I
Speaker 4: knew who was on enough times to do some research
Speaker 4: and write my questions. I find that quite interesting and
Speaker 4: quoting them, quoting people, quoting people back at them, you
Speaker 4: said this, and then.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, yeah it is. Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's almost like I don't mind doing this. Yeah right,
Speaker 4: some of them. But yeah no, So it's just an
Speaker 4: interesting challenge. It's just something to do. But so, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's circumstance, not just me into doing something similar to
Speaker 4: what I've wanted to do for a while.
Speaker 1: But if I do do it properly, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I think it would be And what about you,
Speaker 2: and you've got your project with Lead, Yeah, if you
Speaker 2: enjoyed doing that playing that together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been weird. We kind of again, we all
Speaker 3: sat down as a band and talked about different things
Speaker 3: that we could do. Mainly have been talking about doing
Speaker 3: something like this for a while because we're very nerdy
Speaker 3: about gear like a by guitar, pedals, guitars, amplifiers and
Speaker 3: stuff like that, and there's a bit of a saturated
Speaker 3: market in those kind of shows, but they're all very instructional,
Speaker 3: a little bit dry.
Speaker 1: And just so fucking dry.
Speaker 3: A little bit dry, but and also you don't really
Speaker 3: like it's always someone playing lose licks or like you know,
Speaker 3: just not really getting getting the idea of why you
Speaker 3: would put pedals together and forms of the creative process
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So we decided to do this,
Speaker 3: and we were like, right, well, we'll get some guests
Speaker 3: on and kind of really get into their creative process,
Speaker 3: and we'd also use it as a way of kind
Speaker 3: of ultra model. We were going to talk about like
Speaker 3: different kind of signs and different different this signed palette
Speaker 3: that we used for Ultramono and how we got that
Speaker 3: with our pedals and guitars and the effects that we
Speaker 3: use and the as things like that, and then it
Speaker 3: just like it slowly has descended into me andle just
Speaker 3: trying to do each other with really stupid stuff. So
Speaker 3: like I cut my hair and do a mullet and
Speaker 3: dug up my mum's back garden just for this, like
Speaker 3: really one minute of the TV show my mum's sitting
Speaker 3: filming it just go and look still a lot more
Speaker 3: in the background. It's very funny, and it's just been great.
Speaker 3: It's been really it's been really good to work with
Speaker 3: Lee like that, and the guests has been amazing. Like
Speaker 3: we had Alan from a girl band and he just
Speaker 3: really like we got we got to learn a lot
Speaker 3: about his creative process and how he use his effects
Speaker 3: and pedals because like he for me, he's one of
Speaker 3: the best people in the world doing that, and just
Speaker 3: things like he was playing you know, so low man
Speaker 3: by girl band. I've been trying to work out how
Speaker 3: to play that for so long and it turns out
Speaker 3: it's just him moving a pedal around. It's wild. I
Speaker 3: can't believe I've been so stupid. And then we had
Speaker 3: Kate kit Lebone. She was great, but she couldn't make
Speaker 3: it so she Alan could make noise. So we got
Speaker 3: Alan to kind of like record his pedals and lots
Speaker 3: of weird different bits of gear. She couldn't make noise.
Speaker 3: So what we did was we played kit lebonne or
Speaker 3: kit la ron and mainly had to try and imagine
Speaker 3: what kitler bone would use to make certain signs off
Speaker 3: certain songs. That was funny. She was good, good sport.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's that's been good. I mean it's been weird.
Speaker 3: It's not like I'd rather be doing gigs. I'd rather
Speaker 3: be playing chows.
Speaker 4: And was it kitle bonn or katela wrong?
Speaker 1: What was the other choice?
Speaker 3: She came out with no playing on the French.
Speaker 1: Ye now in hindsight, yeah.
Speaker 3: But kitler wrong kind of feels more wrong, like it's
Speaker 3: he's just Caitlin non is.
Speaker 1: Like non kate lebon.
Speaker 3: Luckily no, we actually we actually used them all. She
Speaker 3: was lying to us, just.
Speaker 1: What was she going to shed?
Speaker 3: She give the thumbs up for all of them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: one of the nothing like it, like nothing like it.
Speaker 3: She was a ghast, you could.
Speaker 4: Tell she was a ghast, but then said, yes, anyway, there.
Speaker 3: Was there was people, There was There was one bit
Speaker 3: as well, where I was playing her song back to her.
Speaker 3: She put her hands on her face like she was
Speaker 3: inconsolable and didn't and didn't didn't move her hands from
Speaker 3: her face until a little while after I started playing
Speaker 3: isn't that bad? I thought it was good, but she
Speaker 3: was just like, what is what is this?
Speaker 1: She's a serious musician, but.
Speaker 3: She is also like one of my guitar heroes. I
Speaker 3: think she's like her choices that she makes when she's
Speaker 3: playing guitar really inspire me. So a bit funny, I
Speaker 3: haven't that chat whether really.
Speaker 2: Speaking of guests, let's talk ol Tomno and the people
Speaker 2: that you've collaborated with on the new record. Should we
Speaker 2: talk about Jamie Kellen?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, let's I always want to talk about Jimmy Collen.
Speaker 4: So I approached him at the Mercuries because he's a judge,
Speaker 4: and I said, hello, chat.
Speaker 1: I'm always a massive fan of his radio show.
Speaker 4: I never listened to his music, but listen to his
Speaker 4: show a lot because we worked in a kitchen is
Speaker 4: a KP and C. Chef was like, well into radio
Speaker 4: two and I love this show. I think he's great.
Speaker 4: I think he comes across really well and again interested
Speaker 4: and interesting. So yeah, we got on and then uh,
Speaker 4: he said, if you ever need piano on the album
Speaker 4: Let's Now, and we were like, we do not need piano,
Speaker 4: but we definitely need Jane Culler, so.
Speaker 1: We got him involved.
Speaker 4: He's supposed to be that signifier of working hard for
Speaker 4: what you love from everything that we're about, and that
Speaker 4: ignorance to cuts that kind of what I've been saying
Speaker 4: is that q dos is a bit like Stockholm syndrome.
Speaker 4: You know, like your you're captives, you fall in love
Speaker 4: with and really they they only do you harm. Q
Speaker 4: los is a bullshit currency in the city. Doesn't go
Speaker 4: as far in Bristol, I don't think, and we can
Speaker 4: see for it from a distance. Pretentious people with pompous
Speaker 4: people in obsession and wanting to be loved by.
Speaker 1: Bullies counts.
Speaker 4: So we wanted wanted to get away from that, build
Speaker 4: build an arena where people feel safe to be themselves
Speaker 4: instead of pretending to be others, and including Jamie Culluman,
Speaker 4: and that should annoy those captors, It should annoy the bullies,
Speaker 4: should annoy the assholes, and we love it. I think
Speaker 4: it's a great, great start to a very violent song.
Speaker 4: It's like a nice breather, it's like a little palate
Speaker 4: cleanser in the in the otherwise pretty.
Speaker 1: Full on album.
Speaker 4: So it works for me perfect it's perfectly both in
Speaker 4: sonics it works perfectly and in messaging Ethos.
Speaker 2: Jenny Beth wren Ls. David Yao also contributed to the album.
Speaker 2: How did it work with those guests including Jamie you
Speaker 2: recorded in Paris? Were they coming through the studio with
Speaker 2: a contributing remotely? How did it work? And why did
Speaker 2: you want to get those people?
Speaker 3: And actually Colin Webster from the band sex Wing, we
Speaker 3: wanted him on early Doors.
Speaker 1: He hit that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I forgot to say that, and I said it
Speaker 4: was David ya to premeditate.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh. The others were more of a kind of a
Speaker 2: those are people we went out actively when you were
Speaker 2: like I want you on this record. The others it happened.
Speaker 1: It was less recording, Okay.
Speaker 3: Saxophone was in the was present in the writing. We
Speaker 3: kind of it was always there, like this bit needs
Speaker 3: that that tom Bro that tone, massive fan of sex Wing,
Speaker 3: like and the kind of tones that he gets, the
Speaker 3: violence that's in them and the kind of threat that
Speaker 3: he gets out of something that's kind of saxy and
Speaker 3: you know it's kill. So, yeah, he was involved and
Speaker 3: he kind of came down to the studio, did everything
Speaker 3: in one afternoon, and then kind of hung out for
Speaker 3: a bit. David, y'all, I think we just knew he
Speaker 3: was he had to be on there, and he kind
Speaker 3: of he fitted the he fitted the bill vocally. I
Speaker 3: think on the on an album that doesn't have a
Speaker 3: lot of backing vocals, I didn't feel like my voice
Speaker 3: or Dav's voice were appropriate.
Speaker 1: Dev I wrote.
Speaker 4: I always wrote backing vocals with Devi or baring in mind,
Speaker 4: it was nearly all Dev in this album, just because Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm not a massive fan of your voice.
Speaker 3: I don't like my voice out there.
Speaker 1: But like you know, massive fan of Death's either.
Speaker 2: I just it like you work with what you got.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, the same with me.
Speaker 4: I'm not a great singer, and some of the things
Speaker 4: I sing, I know you don't like either. It's like
Speaker 4: he's but anyway. So with Dev it's just he's losing
Speaker 4: his voice. He smokes too much, he drinks too much,
Speaker 4: and he's got a terrible singing technique. So at the
Speaker 4: time we were like, do you know what would be
Speaker 4: much better than Dev David?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I wrote, I wrote them with a
Speaker 1: better DEVI in mind.
Speaker 2: What about Jenny Jenny Beth.
Speaker 4: We met up with her to do her TV show
Speaker 4: Echoes Yep, and obviously I'm I was friends were before
Speaker 4: we met and stuff, and I stayed in contact with Jenny.
Speaker 4: So we were on the TV show and I was
Speaker 4: talking her through the album. I said, there's a song
Speaker 4: that's French and she said it's terrible French. It's like
Speaker 4: you say, don't touch me. So I was like, oh fuck,
Speaker 4: uh panic. The engineer at the time, who was French,
Speaker 4: said it was the correct French. I said, is this
Speaker 4: right and he said yes. We thought I was asking us,
Speaker 4: did you like this or something like that, something along
Speaker 4: those fucking lines. Anyway, he said yes emphatically.
Speaker 1: It was like sick. Turns out it's the wrong French.
Speaker 4: So I said, well, we can change it and you
Speaker 4: could just sing the chorus cause I wanted a female
Speaker 4: perspective on this song. Anyway, she was like, keep it
Speaker 4: bad French because that's more honest. I was like, that's
Speaker 4: a very good point, especially in tune with what Oldromnto is.
Speaker 4: She's about self expect acceptance, Bone and I talked about
Speaker 4: having that female Tom Borough and perspective for that song anyway,
Speaker 4: and it worked beautifully. She was very very forgiving to
Speaker 4: sing on that song in particular.
Speaker 2: But he's got to leave now because he's got he's
Speaker 2: got somewhere to be.
Speaker 1: A man about down.
Speaker 2: Cheers Bone before we ask a few more questions about
Speaker 2: Ultramonto Mike Skinner in the Streets and your contribution to
Speaker 2: that record. What was the experience like of stepping out
Speaker 2: of the Idols collective of creating stuff and working with
Speaker 2: somebody like Mike Skinner.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, he he's sent the beat over. Obviously,
Speaker 4: it's like an album, it's an album of collaboration, so
Speaker 4: he had he had a couple of beats, so he
Speaker 4: sent the beats over and it just sounded like our
Speaker 4: worlds of intertwined because it was very similar to me.
Speaker 4: That song is quite similar and what we wrote over
Speaker 4: the top of the beat was similar to what we
Speaker 4: were doing on Tomnto, so which just fit in the
Speaker 4: remit of what we're doing. I actually had some lyrics
Speaker 4: for it that I ended up using on grounds because
Speaker 4: he changed his lyrics for it. He wrote some lyrics
Speaker 4: he didn't like. We wrote the music on top of
Speaker 4: his beat in the studio in London, and then he
Speaker 4: wrote his lyrics on top and then sent it back
Speaker 4: to me because obviously I had to hook you know,
Speaker 4: none of us are getting out of life for life.
Speaker 4: So I was like, oh, sick, go use that, and
Speaker 4: I kind of weaved myself into the song. So I
Speaker 4: took the grounds lyrics and wrote the rest of the
Speaker 4: song around it in the studio.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it was great. It's like working
Speaker 1: with one of my heroes.
Speaker 4: It's bizarre for a relief because he's a good guy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and he's aligned with his strengths as an artist. It's
Speaker 4: like that's what it's like in real life, which is
Speaker 4: a relief.
Speaker 1: I think for me.
Speaker 2: Was it an encouraging enough process to want to do
Speaker 2: some more of that stuff in the future or what
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, or just like contributing to other people's
Speaker 2: records and.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well I've done I've done a few now. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'll always do it. I'm like a yes guy, Okay,
Speaker 4: as long as it's not shit, of course, or I'm busy.
Speaker 4: The idols always comes first until it doesn't. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I love it. I love it. I just I like
Speaker 4: the challenge because what I would like to do is
Speaker 4: to collaborate with different artists.
Speaker 1: I've just done the recently. Actually that was very different.
Speaker 4: To what people know me as, but it's still me,
Speaker 4: and I feel like I should challenge myself for different
Speaker 4: genres and and push my poeticism to a level where
Speaker 4: I can do whatever the fuck I want.
Speaker 1: I will.
Speaker 2: Every idol's album has been a reaction to the work
Speaker 2: that you've done before. How is Ultra Mono a reaction
Speaker 2: to joy as an active resistance.
Speaker 1: It's entirely a reaction to joys an active resistance.
Speaker 4: Ultramono came as a realization I was out of just
Speaker 4: in a relabhaps of alcohol and drugs. I was very
Speaker 4: lost and sad and depressed and angry and stuff.
Speaker 1: So I had to kind of regroup and started.
Speaker 4: Ultra Monto is about the entirety of being in and
Speaker 4: now in the present and self acceptance and being a
Speaker 4: defense lawyer as well as the prosecution on your own
Speaker 4: past and present and future and really truly, you know,
Speaker 4: loving yourself in the moment. So with that in mind,
Speaker 4: it was entire like it was written as a necessity
Speaker 4: to progress and survive that time where so many voices
Speaker 4: were reflecting on what Joy meant and who we were
Speaker 4: as a band to them at that point, what the
Speaker 4: album meant to them, whether it was good or not.
Speaker 1: You know, there is such a thing. There isn't such
Speaker 1: a thing. There's good art.
Speaker 4: It's just it's concise art, and there's true, authentic art
Speaker 4: and brilliant art, vibrant art, and we wanted to make
Speaker 4: all of that be true and vibrant, brilliant, and for us,
Speaker 4: that was at the time, learning to be as lucid, transparent,
Speaker 4: present in the moment as possible.
Speaker 1: Ultramno was the phrase we.
Speaker 4: Came up with first, and then we worked towards that artistically,
Speaker 4: and I worked towards that existentially therapeuticly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, in the liner notes for the album,
Speaker 2: you talk about how maybe you found yourself straying a
Speaker 2: little bit away from not the vision or just the
Speaker 2: path you wanted to be on, that some of those distractions,
Speaker 2: external elements had found their way in. So how did
Speaker 2: you what was your route to remaining present and focused?
Speaker 4: Dissolution of ego, I guess because ego assumes it's about
Speaker 4: this inflated self, but what it is really is relying
Speaker 4: on other people's reaction to you and what you think
Speaker 4: you are. Instead of just being good or bad, it's
Speaker 4: just about being present. And yeah, it became a thing again,
Speaker 4: like it does every time something we put out happens.
Speaker 4: I'm so invested in our art and our music and lyrics.
Speaker 4: People were slagging off the music, but it feels like
Speaker 4: they're slagging me off and threatening my family. And it's
Speaker 4: about separating yourself and that realizing it's bullshit.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: It's about the music being You can't be true and
Speaker 4: be obsessed with other people's opinions too, don't correlate. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I had to just realign, you know, regroup and being unified,
Speaker 4: accept all parts of myself in the moment, it's true,
Speaker 4: to be true and to carry on.
Speaker 2: One thing I wanted to ask about is something that
Speaker 2: you did. I don't remember if it was at the
Speaker 2: start of this year and end of LAS you're the
Speaker 2: talk the Q and atal where you're taking answer questions
Speaker 2: and answers from people that attended the events, basically just
Speaker 2: the people in the audience. How did you find that
Speaker 2: experience in terms of the types of things that people
Speaker 2: ask you. Effectively, people that are fans of the band,
Speaker 2: they came along, they had the chance to ask you anything.
Speaker 2: How is that different from the types of questions you
Speaker 2: normally get asked in the sort of standard setups of
Speaker 2: whether you're doing interviews for radio or TV or print
Speaker 2: or whatever. To then open yourself up to the questioning
Speaker 2: process of people who are fans of your band? Were
Speaker 2: they different types of questions? Did you did you get
Speaker 2: something else out of that doing that and that process.
Speaker 4: Yeah, journalists wouldn't ever allow themselves to be vulnerable enough
Speaker 4: to play the card of I don't know how this works.
Speaker 4: How does it work? You know, that's not journalists do.
Speaker 4: They're like for the sake of the reader. But people
Speaker 4: are generally interested, and they're like, it's I don't know,
Speaker 4: I don't know what the questions are. I can't really
Speaker 4: remember them.
Speaker 2: I was just wondering if it, like, basically something different
Speaker 2: came out of that process and you were like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm refreshed because I didn't normally get asked that type
Speaker 2: of thing. I don't know, Maybe you didn't. Maybe they
Speaker 2: were the types of thing you were used to being asked.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they are pretty similar. It's just the tone of
Speaker 4: the question is less.
Speaker 1: Assertive. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I genuinely can't remember any of the questions. I was
Speaker 4: very like just present and you know, conversational. I don't
Speaker 4: like to try to be as honest as possible, so
Speaker 4: I don't really remember my answers. They're just like talking
Speaker 4: to me in a room, do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to fucking embellish anything or lie or
Speaker 4: but it felt it felt really good. It felt really good.
Speaker 4: Like I was worried that my ego would be inflated
Speaker 4: and it would be all.
Speaker 1: Like, so, Joe, how'd you write these amazing songs? But
Speaker 1: it was none of that shit. But it was good.
Speaker 1: My ego was was, if anything, deflated enough. It was good.
Speaker 1: It was good. And hanging out with Adam gears or
Speaker 1: so a huge privilege.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm looking forward to the Creation film that's coming see.
Speaker 4: Yeah, me too, because you know what you can see,
Speaker 4: he's like, I think he's a lethal thinker.
Speaker 1: It's the best way, you know.
Speaker 4: It's like there's no fucking bullshit, but he's he knows
Speaker 4: what he's doing. You know, those people that just don't
Speaker 4: have to prove themselves but are very welcoming at the
Speaker 4: same time.
Speaker 1: Yea beautiful man, really cool sky.
Speaker 2: Final question is about we talked a bit about, you know,
Speaker 2: divorcing the aspect of ego from the art that you
Speaker 2: create and just being in the band. Whether that's like
Speaker 2: the reception of the album in terms of reviews or
Speaker 2: guess things like sales and things like that looking upon
Speaker 2: what's going to happen with Ultramno, how you measure the
Speaker 2: success of that? How will you be pleased by that
Speaker 2: being delivered to listeners or in a way just by
Speaker 2: the fact that it's been created? Is it kind of
Speaker 2: like that's done. I'm satisfied with it because it is
Speaker 2: what it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think we made this album at
Speaker 4: the perfect time in terms of COVID was going to
Speaker 4: happen either way. So yes, we couldn't have made an
Speaker 4: album about self belief at a better time. Because I
Speaker 4: don't need anyone to tell me what this album is.
Speaker 4: This album's brilliant album because it sounds and says exactly
Speaker 4: what we set out to do.
Speaker 1: A year ago. We started writing it.
Speaker 4: I don't know when, but we wrote most of it
Speaker 4: within three months, just before we went into the studio,
Speaker 4: so we didn't have much time together in a room
Speaker 4: because daughters and whatnot, and like it is exactly what
Speaker 4: Baron and has set out to make. It sounds exactly
Speaker 4: like I imagine it to sound, and my lyrics are as
Speaker 4: potent and me as they should be and can be
Speaker 4: it possibly can be.
Speaker 1: So I'm really happy with it. That is our success.
Speaker 4: But along the way I will I will pay attention
Speaker 4: to things that the are barometers of success in terms
Speaker 4: of everyone's knowledge of what that means. I'll probably know
Speaker 4: more about record sales than I ever would have normally
Speaker 4: because I'll just be taking and it's something as a measurement,
Speaker 4: like what else do we have at the moment, But
Speaker 4: like I'm because of this situation, I'm going to make
Speaker 4: sure I pay less attention to that stuff as possible,
Speaker 4: because I don't think it's healthy in any sense of
Speaker 4: the word.
Speaker 1: I just think it's like best like it is.
Speaker 4: What it is like as far as I don't feel
Speaker 4: pride on anything like that, but as far as happiness
Speaker 4: and contentness with the album, I am fully at peace
Speaker 4: with it.
Speaker 1: Because it's brilliant.
Speaker 3: Anyway.
Speaker 1: Good Night,