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Speaker 1: That is correct, absolutely on today's show. It has been

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Speaker 1: four years and one day since perhaps the most infamous

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Speaker 1: two point zero. Baby, it's been too long. We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about amid this coaching carousel that we're seeing

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Speaker 1: Andy Avolo's gone at Boise State a bit of a surprise.

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Speaker 2: Surprise, less of one, but yeah, less of one.

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Speaker 1: There are some teams that are just out there. They're

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Speaker 1: staring at the edge of the water, and they're wondering

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Speaker 1: should we make the move now? Should we hang tight

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Speaker 1: and stay where we're at. We're going to go through

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Speaker 1: some of those teams and discuss who should who shouldn't

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Speaker 2: Do you are you going to have to explain the

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Speaker 1: Wa I will explain it, I promise you.

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Speaker 2: Because I don't know if that's a in the Year

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Speaker 2: that movie came out. It's been some time, sixteen, not

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Speaker 2: exactly I think aimed at most of our demo, but

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Speaker 2: glad to hear it. Where are we starting?

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Speaker 1: It is a very strange concept. I promise I will

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Speaker 1: explain it first, Okay, So that it feels a little

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Speaker 1: like Notre Dame. The either love it or hate it.

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Speaker 1: So we'll get into that before we do, though, we

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Speaker 1: do have a new Verballer Top twelve poll that I

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Speaker 1: We also didn't really have much of a chance to

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Speaker 1: on at the same time when we're recording our week

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Speaker 1: eleven campfire episode. The verball Our Top twelve is unchanged

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Speaker 1: one through eight, so it's Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, Florida

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Speaker 1: Where it got a little bit different is nine through twelve.

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Speaker 1: Louisville moves up a couple spots. Louisville had to hang

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Speaker 1: I think over Tennessee. Oregon State creeping up now into

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Speaker 2: Games, right they have? Oregon State has both Washington and

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Speaker 1: Correct. Correct, But Oregon State favored this week by you know,

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Speaker 2: And I think your model, the time model has Oregon

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Speaker 1: as poles go, this is pretty good. You know. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I also did want to call out the Oregon

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Speaker 2: It just like felt like there was a lot invented

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Speaker 2: It's okay, it happens. Oregon was the clear better team.

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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams is a magician. It's because you know he'd

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Speaker 2: bon Nicks, Troy Franklin looked great. The defense I thought,

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Speaker 1: It felt very obvious to me how good Kleb Williams

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Speaker 2: Yeah, difficult place to play against a tough defense. You know,

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Speaker 1: Good. Yeah, I mean we talk so much about Cale

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Speaker 2: The takeaway is Oregon looked very strong on both sides

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Speaker 1: Thank you. What do you think about Baylor? So?

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Speaker 1: Dino Babers has been there since twenty sixteen, a true

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Speaker 1: See. I feel like in advance of twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: there's a strong case to be made like let's just

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Speaker 1: go and do it now. Do it now before that

436
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Speaker 1: gold rush next year, before it gets harder to get

437
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Speaker 1: your coaches. So if you're Syracuse again not necessarily a

438
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Speaker 1: playoff team, but this could be a good opportunity to

439
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Speaker 1: go out and get a guy who's a good G

440
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Speaker 1: five coach. This could be a good opportunity to go

441
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Speaker 1: out there and get a guy who's an up and

442
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Speaker 1: cooming coordinator who's looking for that head coaching experience in

443
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Speaker 1: advance of what I truly believe could be a weird

444
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Speaker 1: year next year.

445
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Speaker 2: So independent of the roster status and the coaching changes.

446
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Speaker 2: But they replaced Tony White with Rocky Long, a long

447
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Speaker 2: time San Diego State coach, at defensive coordinator. It's a

448
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Speaker 2: situation when you look at the context of the ACC

449
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Speaker 2: and Syracuse's schedule, where it's the most gettable Clemson team,

450
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Speaker 2: it's a flawed North Carolina team, a very good Florida

451
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Speaker 2: State team that has played down to its opponents, did

452
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Speaker 2: not play down to Syracuse. Now, a Virginia Tech team

453
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Speaker 2: who has improved over the course of the season, but

454
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Speaker 2: still a very much flawed Virginia Tech team. A Boston

455
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Speaker 2: College team who's okay, and I don't believe they had

456
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Speaker 2: Garrett Shredder for that one, and they beat you know,

457
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Speaker 2: the most down pit team of the modern era, it seems,

458
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Speaker 2: but like this felt like a year where Syracuse would

459
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Speaker 2: have an inflated record because it was merely above average

460
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Speaker 2: and went zero to five after that Army game against

461
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Speaker 2: ACC teams, like to not win any of those games,

462
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Speaker 2: to not win the Boston College game again, I know,

463
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Speaker 2: the injury at quarterback, but like it's sort of inexcusable

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Speaker 2: with how long Dino Babers has been there and you

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Speaker 2: know you have an experienced quarterback for most of that

466
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Speaker 2: Just like they're why why are they not seven and three?

467
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Speaker 2: Why is this team where it is? Like, why are

468
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Speaker 2: they not good enough to take advantage of clearly flawed

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Speaker 2: opponents in the way that Virginia Tech Virginius A lot

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Speaker 2: of these teams Georgia Tech have been able to do

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Speaker 2: in the conference. Syracuse isn't in that conversation. I think

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Speaker 2: that's a problem.

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Speaker 1: So I think we're saying, I have a wana.

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Speaker 2: I have a wana with chloties.

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Speaker 1: Get him out, get him out, moving on, Move it on, Colorado, Dan.

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Speaker 1: This is a controversial addition to the Iamawana episode. Yeah,

477
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Speaker 1: it started out like a ball of fire and Boulder.

478
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Speaker 1: It was very much the story of September. I don't

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Speaker 1: think there's two ways about it. What has happened since

480
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Speaker 1: has been I think a bit of a reality check

481
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Speaker 1: to put it mildly. Yeah, the defense has never been good,

482
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Speaker 1: the offensive line has never been good. They had injuries,

483
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Speaker 1: they had Travis Hunter go down. They've had more recently

484
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Speaker 1: some some sort of conflict on the offensive side, when

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Speaker 1: Sean Lewis, the very talented offensive guy who came over

486
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Speaker 1: from Kent State where he's a head coach, is no

487
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Speaker 1: longer calling the plays, basically just signaling the plays right.

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Speaker 1: The situation at Colorado to some extent, has seemed to

489
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Speaker 1: degrade over the last couple months or so, and I

490
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Speaker 1: think it's a very real question about whether or not

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Speaker 1: what Dion is doing is working, is sustainable, is something that.

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Speaker 2: Makes sense. I don't know, you stick with it. I

493
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Speaker 2: don't think you have a choice. If you're Colorado, you

494
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Speaker 2: have to. But I think it's a worthwhile question because

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Speaker 2: what Dion did before the season and overhauling the roster

496
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Speaker 2: the way he did it pointed to a thought of

497
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Speaker 2: we have the opportunity to win now if we improve

498
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Speaker 2: this roster dramatically from where it was last year, the

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Speaker 2: last couple of years, whatever. And so given the nature

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Speaker 2: of that overhaul, bringing in whatever, fifty sixty players, it

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Speaker 2: speaks to raising an expectation above. Well, he's playing a

502
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Speaker 2: bunch of freshmen. Just wait till these guys develop, give

503
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Speaker 2: them time in the system. He's not going to be

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Speaker 2: able to do this every year at Colorado. You can't

505
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Speaker 2: just force out guys who've already used their free transfer

506
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Speaker 2: unless a bunch of them graduate. And so he's not

507
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Speaker 2: going to be able to do that as much. And

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Speaker 2: they're like, well, what's he doing in the on the

509
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Speaker 2: recruiting trail. The answer is not much.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: The answer is not much on the high school recruiting trail,

512
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Speaker 2: and so if there's that expectation of again roster churn,

513
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Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to ever build depth. I

514
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Speaker 2: don't think the offensive line is like, I don't think

515
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Speaker 2: the offensive line class, part of this year's class is

516
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Speaker 2: anything special. So I don't think Colorado Colorado can get

517
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Speaker 2: off of it because the amount of both money and

518
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Speaker 2: just attention capital they've poured into the Deon Sanders experience.

519
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Speaker 2: But I don't. I think there's far there's a far

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Speaker 2: greater chance that this ends poorly at this point. Then

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Speaker 2: this ends with Colorado winning big and him just taking

522
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Speaker 2: another job, and maybe Colorado's like, well, you know, he

523
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Speaker 2: built something and maybe we can build upon it with

524
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Speaker 2: the right guy in the Big twelve. Like you look

525
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Speaker 2: at who they've beaten and who they've lost to at

526
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Speaker 2: this point, and you can say, well, they should have

527
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Speaker 2: had that Stanford game. They blew that Stanford game very specifically,

528
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Speaker 2: and they won the ASU game. Could have lost that game.

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Speaker 2: So there are a number of universes where this looks

530
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Speaker 2: even worse. Right now, if you lose to Arizona State,

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Speaker 2: the Colorado State game was super losable. If you remember

532
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Speaker 2: that went to at least one overtime, maybe multiples at

533
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Speaker 2: Colorado State, mind you, but like we could be talking

534
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Speaker 2: about a Colorado team that is fully seen across this

535
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Speaker 2: great land as an abject failure this year. But because

536
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Speaker 2: of the way they started, people are giving Dion a

537
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Speaker 2: pass like, wow, look at look at the heights he

538
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Speaker 2: could add with Travis guys like Travis Hunter and Jethorra Sanders.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I think there's something like an eighty

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Speaker 2: percent chance in two years we're talking about the Dion

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Speaker 2: experiment has failed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think to be fair to Dion,

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Speaker 1: I mean, so much of the so much of the

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Speaker 1: problem for Colorado is the defense is really bad. Defense

545
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Speaker 1: has actually been okay last couple weeks. I mean they've

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Speaker 1: they've done I think, an okay job. It's not been

547
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Speaker 1: fully catastrophic the way it's been at spots earlier in

548
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Speaker 1: the year. To keep within three of Arizona, for example,

549
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Speaker 1: a very high powered offense top twenty offense in the country.

550
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Speaker 1: To keep within seven of Oregon State another good offense.

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Speaker 1: You know, I know there are qualifiers, but that speaks

552
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Speaker 1: to at least some level of effort, like they have

553
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Speaker 1: put so much into this, they have built the plane

554
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Speaker 1: out of dion. You got to give this as much

555
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Speaker 1: time as it needs to flame out naturally.

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Speaker 2: And look, you got to put it on both sides,

557
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Speaker 2: both sides of the coin, that they are seconds away

558
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Speaker 2: from being one to nine right now, right with TCU,

559
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Speaker 2: Colorado State and Arizona State, but also losing the game

560
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Speaker 2: against Stanford the way that they did, or excuse me

561
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Speaker 2: winning the game against it, excuse me losing the game

562
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Speaker 2: against Stanford the way that they did. That was a

563
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Speaker 2: winnable game. The Arizona game was winnable. It's just these

564
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Speaker 2: are the guys, right, these are the handpicked guys to

565
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Speaker 2: immediately compete and be so much better than where the

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Speaker 2: roster was last year that you're like, okay, so the

567
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Speaker 2: high school recruiting is not going to be there, and

568
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Speaker 2: they're going to have fewer opportunities to replace current players

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Speaker 2: in the portal in each of the next you know,

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Speaker 2: two or three seasons. I just I don't see a

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Speaker 2: way to dig out. That's all.

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Speaker 1: Let's do one more team here and then we're going

573
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Speaker 1: to flip it over to Patreon. As you know, this

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Speaker 1: is part of the full episode that you can find

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Speaker 1: out at Patreon for bowlers dot com. Pjfleck, PJ Fleck

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Speaker 1: at Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so down year for sure, they've with bowl wins,

578
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Speaker 2: gone nine to four each of the last two years.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: I think you keep your your ten toes down. Whatever

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Speaker 2: the phrasing is on the island, isn't that with ten

582
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Speaker 2: toes down tent?

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Speaker 1: I have no idea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, pay attention to youth culture tie.

585
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Speaker 1: So Pj's been there since twenty seventeen, five and seven,

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Speaker 1: seven and six, eleven and two the COVID year. I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to count that then, as you said, two

588
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Speaker 1: nine in four seasons. So he has done, by a

589
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Speaker 1: large a pretty good job of being a consistent, above

590
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Speaker 1: average top twenty five ish team. He is done that.

591
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Speaker 1: The defense has been solid pretty much the full way throughout.

592
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Speaker 1: There have been ups and downs, but the worst they've

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Speaker 1: been on defense has been a top fifty caliber defense.

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Speaker 1: Right most of the time, they've been much much better.

595
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Speaker 1: It really is a question of offense. This year, the

596
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Speaker 1: offense is about the worst he's had in his time.

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Speaker 1: Beat up and Minnesota very beat up. YEP have to

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Speaker 1: mention it. They also tried a bit of a system

599
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Speaker 1: change at the start of the year, which hasn't gone well.

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Speaker 1: So I like that he has given them some degree

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Speaker 1: of stability. I do think it's going to get harder though.

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Speaker 1: The schedule is going to change, Buddy, I have it

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Speaker 1: in front of me, the twenty twenty four schedule. It

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Speaker 1: gets difficult in a hurry. And this is, by the way,

605
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Speaker 1: not a unique problem in Minnesota. This is a problem

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Speaker 1: for Iowa. This is a problem for any of those

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Speaker 1: Big ten West teams that have been skating by on

608
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Speaker 1: a relatively easy Big ten West schedule. It gets hard quickly,

609
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Speaker 1: and so I wonder if I mean this is kind

610
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Speaker 1: of a goofy game. I think it very much applies

611
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Speaker 1: to some of these Big ten West teams. You could

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Speaker 1: talk about it with Iowa if you really wanted, right,

613
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Speaker 1: do you make the move now in advance of what

614
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Speaker 1: looks like it's going to be a much, much difficult

615
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Speaker 1: schedule moving forward. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you don't make them move with Iowa for

617
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Speaker 2: purely win loss reasons. Next year for Minnesota, North Carolina,

618
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Speaker 2: Iowa at Michigan, USC at UCLA, Penn State at Wisconsin

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Speaker 2: seemed to be the big challenging.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot if you take this year's Minnesota team

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Speaker 1: and play it against that slate this year in twenty

622
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Speaker 1: twenty three, this year's team, yeah, five and five right now?

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Speaker 1: How many of those games are they winning? How much?

624
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Speaker 1: How many are they losing?

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Speaker 2: Three and four, three and five, four and five at

626
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Speaker 2: their absolute apex against next year's schedule, they're probably like

627
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Speaker 2: a six and six team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And is that good enough? I don't know. I

629
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Speaker 1: mean PJ. Fleck is a big name in the coaching

630
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Speaker 1: world still. I mean, he's still getting his name somehow

631
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Speaker 1: in articles for people talking up potential Texas A and

632
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Speaker 1: M candidates. I don't buy it. Yeah, And I don't

633
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Speaker 1: think you can make a move away from PJ. Fleck.

634
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: I think he's given them some stability. But I do

635
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 1: think that next year is going to be a bit

636
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Speaker 1: of a reckoning, not just for Minnesota but for for

637
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Speaker 1: other schools in that side of the Big ten.

638
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Speaker 2: Was what was the story that you got? You get

639
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Speaker 2: a certain amount of coins Fleck coins in the Fleck

640
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Speaker 2: bank and are you elite?

641
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Speaker 3: Oh?

642
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Speaker 2: Man, I don't think that's going to play at a

643
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Speaker 2: lot of places. No, I think you, you stay, but monitor.

644
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: I think it's going to become much more difficult. But

645
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Speaker 2: unless somebody is so obvious a candidate and wants to

646
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 2: be in Minneapolis so badly, which I like Minneapolis, but

647
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Speaker 2: you have to be so sure, No, he gets the

648
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Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt for now.

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Speaker 1: The next teams we're going to talk about before we

650
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Speaker 1: get to verballer questions are Notre Dame, YEP, and Arkansas.

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