1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Fellow Ridiculous Historians, We would love to share a classic 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: episode wherein we discovered what we suspect is a powerful 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: euphemism and it sounds so dirty, null Kentucky meat shower. 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: You talking about the Kentucky meats shower. It'sull like a 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 2: Cleveland steamer. Yeah, no, I don't look that up. Yeah, 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: it does sound euphemistic. 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 3: Af On March third, eighteen seventy six, residents of Bath County, Kentucky, 8 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 3: were startled to find what appears to be chunky, flaky 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 3: bits of meat falling from the clear blue sky. 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: Literally. 11 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: Yes, this is a true story. This is something that 12 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: absolutely arrested national attention, and people had all sorts of 13 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: theories about this. In this episode, we attempt to solve 14 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: the mystery. 15 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: Let's roll that meaty tape. 16 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Let's start today's 17 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: episode with a quotation from the New York Times on 18 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: March tenth, eighteen seventy six. We'll just give you the 19 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: headline here, flesh descending in a shower, an astounding phenomenon 20 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: in Kentucky. Fresh meat like mutton or venison falling from 21 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: a clear sky. 22 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: Yum. 23 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: Yes, they said, like mutton or like venison. But what 24 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: was it? 25 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: Hi? I'm Ben, Hey, I'm no, and it's rain and meat. 26 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: I think of this rain and meat. You were not, yeah, 27 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: singing when I walked in. Why you gotta one on me? Ben? 28 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: Now you didn't even right. It's rating men, No, it's true. 29 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: Oh but we are also joined by our super producer, 30 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: Casey Pegram And this is the first time the three 31 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: of us have been back on the show together in 32 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: a little in a little while, isn't it. 33 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it has been a minute, probably like 34 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 2: a like a month or something. Oh yeah, that voice 35 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: from the sky like like like showers of meat in 36 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: our ears. Super producer Casey Pegram, Man, I've missed you, guys, 37 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: missed you. 38 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 4: I know. 39 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 2: It's weird. Casey was in France for a while, and 40 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 2: then we were away, and then I was away last 41 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: week and here we are. 42 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: Here we are, and we decided, now that the three 43 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: of us have reunited after far too long, that we 44 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: were going to pick up our continuing mission to do 45 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: an episode for every state in the United States. Uh, 46 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: and we're going to hopefully succeed. Where Soufion paused for 47 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:58,279 Speaker 1: a second. 48 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: He just I think it was a troll. Honestly, I 49 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: don't think he had any intention of doing it. He 50 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: only made two. 51 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: Maybe he's got a back catalog in years. Maybe he's 52 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: just really stuck on Rhode Island. You mean, like a vault. 53 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe unreleased state records that no one's gonna ever hear. 54 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: Sort of like JD. Salinger had all those stories that 55 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: no one saw in Laughters Done. I didn't know about that, yeah, 56 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: but hopefully a little bit different. Well, speaking of stories, 57 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: Speaking of stories, nol we got one today, we do. 58 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: We do so this episode will count for our Kentucky episode, right, 59 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: and from this headline you can tell that we're describing 60 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: something pretty bizarre. You see, back in March ninth of 61 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: what do we say? Eighteen seventy six? Yeah, back in 62 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: March ninth in Bath County, Kentucky, there was someone named 63 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: Alan Crouch. This guy lived about two or three miles 64 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: from a place we've seen alternately called Olympian Spring in 65 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: the original New York Times piece, but then later called 66 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: what was that Olymps Springs? 67 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 2: So who knows? Who knows? 68 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: Probably the people that lived there, right, and missus Crouch 69 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: was out in the yard at the time. She was 70 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: making soap, and then she looked around. She heard the 71 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: pitter pattern of what she thought was, you know, maybe 72 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: the beginning of rain on a clear day without a 73 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: cloud in the sky. And she looked around, and what 74 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: was falling in her yard was not rain, not precipitation. 75 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: It was meat. Yeah, in an event that would go 76 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: down in history as the Great Kentucky Meat Shower, which 77 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: is not some kind of crazy mullet right right, or 78 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 2: weird euphemism. 79 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: Also, I love the fact that they added great to 80 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: the name because it implies that there were some other, 81 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: relatively mediocre. 82 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 2: Ye there showers. There had to have been some lesser 83 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 2: meat showers. But what what happened? Why why was meat 84 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 2: raining from the And it wasn't. It wasn't just like 85 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 2: little pieces of meat. It was like all kinds of 86 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: different sized pieces of meat. 87 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, the ones that missus Crouch saw were three 88 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: to four inches square, so pretty substantial, you know. And 89 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: other people saw this too, it wasn't just Missus Crouch, 90 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: and people tried to immediately figure out what this could be. 91 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: And we have to remember that the people in this 92 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: area at this time were well aware of other anecdotal 93 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: stories of strange things falling from the sky, rains of fish, 94 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: for instance, you know, or a rain of stones, but 95 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: these were often considered to be stories of old you know, 96 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 1: things you would read about in ancient text. 97 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 2: Is there anything in the Bible about a plague of 98 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 2: meat rain? Surely there's some sort of supernaturaliesque rain. But 99 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 2: I don't think it's just straight up meat. Was there? Frogs? Yeah? Yeah, 100 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: frogs y's yeah, they will eventually become meat. I mean, 101 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: if you're ambitious. Yeah. And here's the thing. 102 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: Not only did other people see it, but two people 103 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: in the area got their gumption up and they said, 104 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: there's one easy way to figure out what kind of 105 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: meat this is. 106 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: Let's taste it. H Yeah. There was a guy named 107 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: Harrison Gill who was nearby. And here the New York 108 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 2: Times article refers to as having unquestionable veracity. So he 109 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: spoke the truth. And he was seeing these pieces of 110 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: meat like sticking to fences and all scattered every which way. 111 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 2: And yeah, he was one of the ones that decided 112 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: let's give it a taste. And it was kind of 113 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 2: argued between some of the tasters. The intrepid sky meat tasters, 114 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: whether it was bear or possibly venison, or A popular 115 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: one was mutton. 116 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: Right because they described a slightly gamey taste to it, 117 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: and mutton and venison especially can be gamy. 118 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: I've never eaten bear, no, I mean, but I would 119 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: assume it's super dark meat, very very gamey. Although mutton, 120 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: to me, it would be the dead giveaway because you know, 121 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: lamb and then he kind of meat like mutton, has 122 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 2: a very very distinct taste. 123 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: It doesn't tastes like anything else. Distinct is the is 124 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: the correct word I think there. And I don't even 125 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: know if it's legal to eat a bear. That just 126 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: I'm not living the kind of life where that's come 127 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: up yet. 128 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: What about you, Well, this is in the eighteen hundred, 129 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 2: so that is probably the wild West as far as 130 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: bear meats. That's a good point. That's a really good point. 131 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: The first explanation from a man of science at the 132 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: time comes from a guy named Leopold Brandice about what 133 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: three months after the incident, he is able to get 134 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: a hold of some of the specimens, or it looks 135 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: like a specimen, but he gets some of it in 136 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: a jar preserved or a bottle preserved in glycerin, and 137 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: he starts poking around at it, and then he makes 138 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: the declaration that while this may appear to be meat, 139 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: it is not actually meat at all. Wait what Yeah, 140 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: that's what he said. He said it was not in 141 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: fact meat. He believed it was something called nostock no stock. 142 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: Oh that's right. This is like a like a plant 143 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: based organism. Yeah. 144 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a cinobacteria that comes actually from the soil, 145 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: from the ground. You can find it on moist rocks, 146 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: bottoms of lakes and springs. It used to be called 147 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: troll butter or which jelly back in Europe. You're joking, No, 148 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: that's true. Those are amazing names for food products. 149 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 2: I know, I know troll jelly or witch butter, troll butter, 150 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 2: which jelly, But I think either one, you know, they're 151 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: both evocative. This is great. I'm going to use those, yeah, 152 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 2: just for I don't know, I don't know why yet, 153 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 2: but I love those. Yeah. 154 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: I've been thinking the same thing. And when this stuff 155 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: is dry, it's pretty easy to miss. But when when 156 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: it's wet, it does have this jelly like I guess 157 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: you could say maybe meat esque, meat esque appearance. But 158 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: Brandy said that it's pretty easy to identify the subject was. 159 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: He was, also, by the way, convinced this was true. 160 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: The Kentucky Wonder is no more or less than nostoc, 161 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: And people have known about the nostoc since the sixteen hundreds. 162 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: I mean, that's how you get nicknames like which jelly? 163 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: But how did it? Where did it come from? Well? 164 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 2: What was his what was his idea about how this 165 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 2: stuff made it up into the atmosphere and then showered 166 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: down upon this relatively small area. 167 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: It goes back to when it is dry versus when 168 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: it is wet. So when this stuff is dried so inconspicuous, 169 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: people thought that it would float on the breeze until 170 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 1: it rained, and then when it was raining, the nostoc 171 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: would absorb the moisture and then it would fall from 172 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: this guy as a jelly. 173 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 2: Interesting, but that's not the only theory. 174 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: That's not the only theory. That's not the only theory. Oh, 175 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: we shall also mention those other nicknames, star slubber, I 176 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: don't know, I want to care that one feels somehow dirty, 177 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: and then star jelly, which is still I don't know, 178 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: which is butter, which is jelly? Those are my picks, 179 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: so he believed Brandy's of course, believed that this was 180 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: the one absolute answer. But the problem is that for 181 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: his theory to be correct, it would have had to 182 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: have rained at some point, or there would have had 183 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: to be at least some rain bearing clouds in the sky, 184 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because the the nostuc would 185 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: have to absorb this moisture. And there wasn't a cloud 186 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: in the sky. It's perfectly clear day. And this meant 187 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: that there were going to be other theories. Like you said, no, 188 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: what was what was one of the other theories that 189 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: came up? 190 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a pretty gross one. It was this 191 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 2: notion from a guy named doctor A Mead Edwards, who 192 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 2: believed that this meat stuff was actually lung from a 193 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 2: horse or possibly an infant, yes, a human shallow. Now, 194 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 2: what's the deal with that? There was a lot of 195 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 2: That is a lot of lung meat. You don't have 196 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: to have a lot of babies to make that much 197 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 2: lung meat. I mean we're talking like, you know, sticking 198 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: to the fences, ben they scattered across the ground every which. 199 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's the problem, right, that explanation. It's even 200 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: tougher to believe, but there is truth to it. 201 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 2: Right. 202 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: They examined seven samples of this meat shower, and they confirmed, 203 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: I believe two of them to be lung tissue, and 204 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: three were muscle tissue, and two were made of cartilage. 205 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: So there was lung tissue in there. But how would 206 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: it come from human infant specifically or a horse? And 207 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: also how similar are the lungs of a horse and 208 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: the lungs of a human infant apparently quite apparently distressingly similar, 209 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: So what gives People couldn't really answer that question, could they? 210 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: They said, they just said, because it's lung tissue, we 211 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: believe that it came from a human infant or a horse. 212 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 1: They didn't really explain how it could have gotten there 213 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: into the sky than onto the ground in Bath County. 214 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 2: That's the thing that no one seems to be looking 215 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 2: for that particular solution. They're more like, what's the meat? 216 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 2: Is the mystery of the meat, not about how in 217 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 2: the hell it ended up coming down from the sky. Right, 218 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 2: that seemed like the least of people's concerns, which is 219 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 2: strange because it makes you think about priorities, you know. 220 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:34,359 Speaker 2: But again, there were more theories, right, some more plausible 221 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 2: than others. So one of my favorite theories that actually 222 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 2: does try to take a look at how this material 223 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 2: could have managed to make it up into the sky 224 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: and rain down upon these hapless people of Olympia blames 225 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 2: this occurrence on a meteor shower. Do tell super medi 226 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: meteor shower. So here's a quote from the New York 227 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 2: Times from William Livingston Alden. He wrote, according to the 228 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 2: present theory of astronomers, an enormous belt of meteoric stones 229 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 2: constantly revolves around the Sun, and when the Earth comes 230 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 2: in contact with this belt, she is soundly pelted. Okay. 231 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 2: He goes on to say, similarly, we may suppose that 232 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 2: there revolves around the Sun a belt a venison, mutton, 233 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 2: and other meats divided into small fragments which are precipitated 234 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: upon the Earth whenever the latter crosses their path. Help 235 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 2: me unpack that, Ben, I mean, it sounds like what 236 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 2: it says on the tent. Mm hmmm. So how likely 237 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: do you think that? 238 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: Is? 239 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 2: Not very I actually saw another version of this theory 240 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: that said that this was like potentially like alien meat. 241 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: So this is space venus space meat. Its space venis 242 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: all right, space mutton. So that idea is fascinating. I 243 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: don't know if it's true. I'm just gonna say it. 244 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to be a pessimist, you know, I 245 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: don't want to shut the guy down. 246 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 2: What do you think? Oh, I mean it's bonkers. You know, 247 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: you don't want to live in a world with space venison? 248 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:03,599 Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I mean, it's not that I 249 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 2: don't want to live in that world. It's just that 250 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 2: I don't know that that world exists. How do they 251 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 2: get up there? I don't know. It was a real 252 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 2: jump in this guy. He's like, so here, there's this 253 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 2: thing called asteroid's an asteroid belt. So if there's an 254 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 2: asteroid belt, why couldn't there also be a similar belt 255 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 2: of meat. Maybe the guy was just very pro belt. 256 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 2: I think it was high. So, speaking of high, there 257 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: may be another explanation. And it's an explanation that involves animals, birds, 258 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: your favorite your favorites. 259 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: But and this explanation originally came from an old farmer 260 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: in Ohio, who, upon learning of the meat shower, said, 261 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: I have an explanation. It's not space venison. It's not 262 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: it's not human lung tissue. It's nothing that you guys 263 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: have said before. It is, in fact something that I've 264 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: seen vultures do in the past. He said that this 265 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: deluge of meat was actually a disgorgement of meat from 266 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: vultures who were flying too high to be visible from 267 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: the ground. And some vultures can fly as high as 268 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: like a little less than forty thousand feet or twelve 269 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: thousand meters geez, so it'd be tough to see them. 270 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: And he said that this was vulture vomit. And then 271 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: a little bit later, a guy named doctor L. D. Castmbine, 272 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: writing in the Louisville Medical News, said, yeah, I think 273 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: the farmer's right. I think this is vulture vomit. And 274 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: he obtained his own sample and he lit it on fire, 275 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: and he's like, ah, this is not just mutton, it's 276 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: rancid mutton. And this made him believe that the culprits 277 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: were vultures. They ate a dead sheep and they flew off, 278 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: but due to the weight of the meat they were 279 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: carrying and their bodies, they were having a hard time flying, 280 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: so they vomited in the sky to make it easier 281 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: for them to fly. 282 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 2: What was the thing that vultures do kind of on 283 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: the rag. They'll unburden themselves of a heavy load of 284 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 2: meat because you know, they eat this stuff raw. They 285 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 2: also have really acidic stomachs I've read to aid in 286 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: this digestion, and so sometimes they're so loaded down from 287 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: gorging themselves on you know, Lincoln dead sheep, like you 288 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 2: said that, they have to puke it up just so 289 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 2: they can fly properly. 290 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: And some vultures even vomit on their feet to regulate 291 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: their temperature. 292 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 2: That's disgusting. The vultures are filthy, disgusting creatures. They're very different, 293 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: they're very different things. Have you ever seen them up close, 294 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 2: just to the side of the road. Yeah, you know, 295 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: I don't go for the stop. I don't go check 296 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 2: out those vulture times. No, dude. Do you know what 297 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 2: a group of vultures is called? It's cool, there's there's 298 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: a different name for them depending on what they're doing. 299 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, later on, So a group of vultures 300 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 2: is a committee, a venue, or a vault, Which which 301 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 2: do you prefer? 302 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: I guess it depends on what they're doing. A vault, well, 303 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: so then if they're in flight, they're a kettle. I 304 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: think I've heard that one. 305 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, And if they're feeding in a group, it's because 306 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 2: the best one. It's called a wake, yes, yeah, yeah, 307 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 2: But what's a vault. It's just like I said, they're interchangeable. 308 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 2: A group of vultures can be either a committee, a venue, 309 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 2: or a vault. Do you know what a group of 310 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 2: ravens is called? It's an unkindness or yes, an unkindness 311 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 2: of ravens. 312 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: So this vulture vomit explanation may not be particularly enjoyable 313 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: or I don't know, it's it can be pretty disgusting, 314 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: especially when you consider those two guys ate it. But 315 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: it does give us the ability to conjecture a little 316 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: bit about how the vultures came to vomit over Bath County. 317 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: First off, vultures don't tend to fly of their own 318 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: free will after they because they are digesting. So this 319 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: means that something must have startled the vultures. We don't 320 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: know what it was. Was it a sheep on a 321 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: mission of revenge? Was it a farmer discovering the sheep 322 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: and shooting at the vultures? 323 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is coming from a great article from 324 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 2: Motherboard called the Mystery of the Kentucky Meat Shower by 325 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 2: Kaylee Rogers, and she actually speaks to the vice president 326 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 2: for field Programs at the Wildlife Conservation Society, who says 327 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 2: his name is Joe Walston. He says, if you want 328 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 2: to take off quickly with a huge amount of weight, 329 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 2: the first thing you're going to do is vomit, which 330 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 2: I think applies to everyone, you know. 331 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: So I also pulled some vulture facts from this excellent 332 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: book I want to recommend if you're ready for a 333 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: deep dive into human vulture relationships called Carrion Dreams. It's 334 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: written by a guy named Benjamin Joel Wilkinson, and as 335 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: far as I can tell, man he is just super 336 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 1: into the history of vultures, and he describes vultures in 337 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: folklore and mythology as well, you know, if you go 338 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: back to the ancient days of history. And one of 339 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: the interesting things is that when and where a vulture 340 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: vomits is also considered significant in certain cultures or folklore events. 341 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: It's a sign which is neat. You know. For instance, 342 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 1: here in Georgia, it used to be a common, you know, 343 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: folk tale belief that if you deeply desire something, all 344 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: you have to do is wish for it as you 345 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: throw a kiss at a vulture, and your wish will 346 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: come true. But you had to be careful not to 347 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: speak to a vulture while it was flying overhead, because 348 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: if you did and it hurt, you punish you by 349 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: vomiting on you. 350 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 2: No, so maybe is that really? Is that really in there? 351 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: That's really a thing? Yeah, I'm telling you. Carry and 352 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: Dreams is a great book. It's also a very weird book. 353 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: But so if that's true, perhaps somebody spoke to a 354 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: vulture while it was flying over it can te Well. 355 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 2: Here's the thing too, It's like this would have had 356 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 2: to be a multiple a group puke session, like a kettle, 357 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 2: whole kettle. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the whole the whole kettle puking, 358 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 2: you know, en mass And in this Motherboard article they 359 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 2: also speak to a named Kurt Goad, who's an art 360 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 2: professor at Transylvania University in Lexington and a self professed 361 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 2: expert in meat showers. He proposes that this is definitely 362 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 2: the most likely scenario that would have happened because all 363 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 2: of the meat was different sizes it came so, which 364 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 2: would have made sense if it had come from different 365 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 2: animals that were you know, chewing and feeding on different 366 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 2: carcasses or whatever, and then ended up together. Uh. And 367 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 2: they couldn't exactly ever figure out what types of animal 368 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 2: that came from, but it would have been from all 369 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 2: different kinds, and that there was some you know, cartilage 370 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 2: and lung material in there as well. So it certainly 371 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 2: was a mixed bag of meat. And here's the thing, 372 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 2: we don't know exactly how much meat actually fell. We 373 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: don't have a measure of you know, x amount of 374 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 2: tons or this many pounds. Instead we have what's the 375 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: phrase they use in most of the news at the time. 376 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 2: They say it was enough to fill a horse wagon full. 377 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 2: And for most people these days, that's it's not a 378 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 2: very easy rule of thumb kind of measurement, right totally. 379 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: So there's a defense that Kirk comes up with in 380 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: this Doctor Goad. He says that in eighteen seventy six, 381 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: if you said, oh, it was a horse wagon full 382 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: of meat, that was the equivalent now of saying it's 383 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: like a big gulp from McDonald's. So his argument is 384 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: that horse wagons were ubiquitous enough at the time that 385 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: most people would have a rough idea of what that 386 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: size meant. 387 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 2: I'm trying to picture it. I'm sorry, I'm picturing this 388 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 2: wagon full of meat. That's the thing is a lot. 389 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: Is it a wagon to horses or is it a 390 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: wagon that horses carry behind them? 391 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 2: That makes a difference. Oh, that's true, and I guess 392 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 2: I'm just picturing one of those standard UH wagons with 393 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 2: the little slats on the side that would be pulled 394 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 2: behind a horse. Yeah, where somebody sits up in. Yeah. Yeah. 395 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: So either way, that's a distressing amount of meat to 396 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: fall from the sky. What do you think is the 397 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: mystery solved? 398 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, with the most logical explanation being vulture 399 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 2: of Voman, I wonder how those towns people felt about having, 400 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 2: you know, snacked on some of that stuff out of curiosity. 401 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 2: I think at the time eating raw meat wasn't quite 402 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 2: as you know, frowned upon, or they weren't really worried 403 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 2: about food borne illnesses so much. 404 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, And I believe the idea was that 405 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: one wouldn't get sick if you just tasted it, rather 406 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: than you know, consuming a large amount of it or 407 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: the amount that would be equivalent to a meal. 408 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 2: This certainly wouldn't have been like, oh, free food. I 409 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 2: don't know, man from heaven. Yeah, Manna is not a 410 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 2: meaty man situation. 411 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: There is a question here that we have for you 412 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: ridiculous historians. Which explanation do you think is the most 413 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: plausible or which do you wish was the true story. 414 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: So we've got let's see, we've got human flesh, we've 415 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: got nostoc, we've got space venison, space meat, we've got 416 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: a curse from a vulture, and then of course we 417 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: just have a panic vulture, a panics kettle of vultures 418 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: attempting to fly. I'll tell you, man, my favorite My 419 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: favorites personally are either the space venison or the vulture curse. 420 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: You are all about this space venison. M h yeah, 421 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: that's what people say about me. I guess we should 422 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: add there are a couple more details that we can 423 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: add to these theories. One in terms of vulture behavior 424 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: is that have you ever seen those episodes of South 425 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: Park or Family Guy. It's on so many comedy shows, 426 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: this trope of one person throwing up and then everyone 427 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: seeing them throw up, and then they throw up as 428 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: well in reaction. 429 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah. Yeah. 430 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: So vultures really do that. That's the thing when they 431 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: are flying in a group. If one goes, they all go. 432 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: See this has got to be the answer, right. This 433 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: doesn't invalidate a vulture curse. It may mean that the 434 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: vultures vomit swarmed on them, cursing everyone in the town. 435 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: So I guess the moral of the story, if that 436 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: theory is true, is don't talk to vultures while they're busy. 437 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 2: I wouldn't go anywhere near the ugly bastards. 438 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: We had some more details tho on is it a 439 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: whole new theory or is it something to add to well. 440 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 2: I was trying to find a little more information about 441 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 2: this supposed meat media shower, but there's really not a 442 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 2: whole lot out there. It all kind of comes down 443 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 2: to that quote about how there may be a belt 444 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: of venison, mutton, and other meats divided into small fragments 445 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 2: that are revolving around the sun, which is bizarre. But 446 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 2: there's another one woman, I believe her name was Mary Crouch, 447 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 2: who was making soap. She apparently initially was scared that 448 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,719 Speaker 2: her husband and son I believe, had been sucked up 449 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 2: into the sky and shredded and eviscerated by an angry 450 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 2: god and then rained down upon her in retribution for 451 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 2: what soap? Who knows? Who knows? Just being a sinner. 452 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 2: It's an angry god up there, Ben, Yeah, yeah, did you. 453 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: Ever read that original sermon? Yeah, sinners in the hand 454 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: of an angry God. 455 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 2: It's a wild one. We should do an episode on that. 456 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: We should, We should. Actually I have a lot of that. 457 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 1: I have a lot of the work from that time. 458 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: But for now, we believe that we have solved to 459 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: a great degree the mystery of the Kentucky meat shower. 460 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 2: No, we didn't do it. I say we as the 461 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 2: human species. Yeah. 462 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: Whatever people say we, they usually mean in a global event, 463 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 1: like the human species. 464 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 2: Right, I agree? I agree. And if I thought of 465 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 2: a better music theme for this episode, actually better than 466 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 2: it's raining meat. What is it? Red rain is coming down, 467 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 2: red rain has fallen in, which is a totally useless 468 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 2: Peter Gabriel song to me, but completely useful in this context. 469 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,959 Speaker 1: Well, you're welcome, Peter, And what better note to end 470 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: our show on today? Thank you so much for listening. 471 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: Let us know it, especially if you happen to live 472 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: in this area of Kentucky. Let us know if people 473 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: still talk about this strange event in eighteen seventy six, 474 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: and if so, what do they say about it? 475 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 2: And have you heard of any of the lesser meat 476 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 2: showers of other locales. I'm very interested to hear that. 477 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, Or have you heard of any other extraordinary stories 478 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: of things falling from the sky in your neck of 479 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: the Global woods? If so, let us know. 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That's a great way to describe it. 485 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: Additionally, we'd like to think, as always super producer Casey Pegram, 486 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: I would I think Alex. 487 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 2: Williams, who composed our theme, our research pals Christopher Hasiotis 488 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 2: and Eve's Jeff Coo, and I believe Ben we have 489 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 2: a new member to the Ridiculous History research team as 490 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 2: Christopher and Eves kind of move on to start working 491 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 2: on some stuff of their own. 492 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: Yes, thank you to Gabrielle Luzier, who a funny story 493 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: used to also work with Mental. 494 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 2: Floss that's awesome. I love that. Man. We're happy to 495 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 2: have you. Yeah. 496 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: So that's it for today, but stay tuned for next 497 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 1: time when we reveal Wait. 498 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 2: Wait, did you hear that? You know I heard it, Ben, 499 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 2: I was gonna just keep going. It's time, gentlemen A 500 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 2: Stricklyn the Quist. He really leaned into that with you. 501 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 4: Well, it's been a long time. I have to it 502 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 4: has to make up for lost time. 503 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 2: It has been a long time. 504 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: And although we are sworn nemeses, I just want to 505 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: check in real quick, how you've been doing it? 506 00:27:59,359 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: Pretty good? 507 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 4: Good? 508 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 2: Kids are great, you know, just like kids in general, 509 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 2: just in general. 510 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't have any children of myself, but you know, 511 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 4: they seem to be going to school, and I understand 512 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 4: that's a good thing. Yeah. Things are you know, things 513 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 4: are fine. 514 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 2: Did they learn about the Great Kentucky Meat Shower in 515 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 2: school or any of the other showers that are implied 516 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 2: by that title. 517 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 4: Well, in fact, we're going to be exploring a shower 518 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 4: of our own. My friends, get in the shower with me, 519 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 4: my buddies, no, come. 520 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 2: On in, okay, a shower of the mind. 521 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 4: The weird animals are just fine. Now listen, we know 522 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 4: that I am part of the most cringe worthy segment 523 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 4: in all the podcasting, in which I the quizitors show 524 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 4: up and I pose a scenario to the two of you, 525 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 4: and you determine whether or not it is actually representative 526 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 4: of a real thing, what happened in history, or I'd 527 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 4: done made it all up? Seas right, you get three minutes. 528 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 4: You can discuss amongst yourselves for three minutes. 529 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 2: A friend, can we can we rope Casey into this? 530 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 4: No? If you had friends, you could in fact phone them, 531 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 4: But I know for a fact that that's hurtful. 532 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 2: We're not friends, are you kidding? Oh right? Confuse this? 533 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, But in addition to that, you also add 534 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: one arbitrary rule, right. 535 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 4: So that if you wish to ask any question to me, 536 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 4: you must first obey a rule of arbitray nature that 537 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 4: I make up typically two minutes before I come in here, okay, 538 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 4: and you have to do that in order to ask 539 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 4: a question. I will tell you what that rule is 540 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 4: after I have given you your scenario. 541 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: All right, you know what I'm feeling good, I'm feeling 542 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: all right. No, Casey, I think we got this. 543 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 4: I will I'll give you the scenario. Okay, I will 544 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 4: give you your arbitrary rule, and then time will begin. 545 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: At which point I will vault over to that gigantic 546 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: grandfather clock. 547 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 2: You'll pull the pull. 548 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 4: Cord which diesel engine going. Yeah, all right, all right, 549 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 4: it gets really few meon here, all right, here's your scenario. 550 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 4: In fourteen hundred and two, in Shropshire, England, locals were 551 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 4: perplexed by what they described as a rain of worms 552 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 4: falling upon the village in what amounted to thousands of worms, 553 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 4: covering the entire area, including the rooftops of several buildings. 554 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 4: The odd weather was met not with superstition and fear, 555 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 4: as we'd usually guess, but with a sort of bewildered amusement. However, 556 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 4: this historical event would later be immortalized by none other 557 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 4: than William Shakespeare, who fudged the date so that it 558 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 4: happened more than a year later, on the eve of 559 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 4: the Battle of Shrewsbury, which features in Henry the Fourth 560 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 4: Part one in act for scene one, Harry hotspur Percy, 561 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 4: the leader of a rebellion against Henry the Fourth, says, 562 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 4: yester een, they do say that worms fell as though rain. 563 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 4: Fortune is so disposed to us, that nature herself to 564 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 4: against this pretender king. In the mid nineteenth century, when 565 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 4: Shakespeare's plays became more popular, Shropshire began what would become 566 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 4: an annual tradition, a festival day celebrating the Rain of Worms. 567 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 4: It happens every year on the second Saturday of April. 568 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 4: And your arbitrary rule is you must quote Shakespeare, any 569 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 4: Shakespeare before asking me a question. 570 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 2: Begin the time. I'm taking a run for it and 571 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 2: we are okay, we're god. You've made worms meat of me. 572 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 4: You have a question? 573 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 2: No I do? I do? I don't know. I just 574 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 2: wanted to quote some Shakespeare. Don't really have any question. 575 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 4: That's a that's a good quote. 576 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 2: Very well. I bite my thumb at you. 577 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 4: Romeo and Juliette reference Go ahead. 578 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 2: Okay, So this festival, what's the name of it again? 579 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,959 Speaker 4: It is known as the Rain of Worms Festival, and 580 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 4: it is second Saturday of every April. 581 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 2: In your story, it's on going. 582 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 4: It is ongoing in your story. It is ongoing, Casey, 583 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 4: what do you think? 584 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 2: Oh just for so wait, wait, we're letting Casey come 585 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 2: into this earlier and you ignored me and said I 586 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 2: had no friends for everything. 587 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: Sure, everybody listening, what happened when you heard that dead 588 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: air and those pauses between the quister and myself? I 589 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: was staring at him to read body language somewhat unsuccessfully. 590 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: All right, Casey, what's what's your take? 591 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 2: Man? 592 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 5: Oh boy? See, I hate this because whenever you and 593 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 5: knowl are not in agreement on something, I'm gonna be 594 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 5: the tiebreaker, and I'm probably gonna get it wrong with this. 595 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 2: I don't know. 596 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: We usually tend to be on the same page pretty quickly. 597 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 4: You do rock paper scissors every time. 598 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 2: So we've got to We've got to stick. That works, man. 599 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 4: But that means that you're at opposition with one another. 600 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 4: If you were an agreement, you wouldn't have to do 601 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 4: rock paper scissors. 602 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: That's what you can only really do rock paper scissors 603 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: with friends. I don't know if you have a lot 604 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: of friends, Jonathan, but if you have friends and you 605 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: play rock paper scissors, Okay, Look, we're at a minute twenty. 606 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 5: I kind of think this is true, but I could 607 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 5: be completely wrong, or it could be from a different Shakespeare. 608 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 2: I'm just that's kind of how this works, you know. 609 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: I'm just skeptical that they're of the Initially, I'm skeptical 610 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: of a festival built on worms because people in general 611 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: aren't wild about worms. Oh wow, okay, this is this 612 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: one's taken the longest because usually we've nailed something down 613 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: by now we're at fifty seconds. I'm gonna say, peel, 614 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: you know what. I'm tempted to say the same thing, 615 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: just because it was so detailed. Do you want to 616 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: lock it in? Let's lock it in and you'll come 617 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: back if we're okay, all right? Three two one false 618 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: false false, Sorry, you'll correct. 619 00:33:53,840 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, there was no rain of words in Shropshire English, 620 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 4: and I made up the line from Henry the fourth 621 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 4: part one. There's there is a line that does say 622 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,959 Speaker 4: that that fortune is disposed to us, but Hotspur says 623 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 4: it in a completely different context. There's no festival of 624 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 4: the Rain of Worms. 625 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 2: It's I would think I would have heard of this. 626 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 2: It's a little love crafty from the band or England. 627 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 2: You probably wouldn't have heard that. 628 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 4: I had I had prepared an explanation or description of 629 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 4: the festival, but you you, you had susted out so 630 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 4: early that I didn't have a chance to. 631 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 2: Where is this further? Where is the count Now where 632 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 2: does this put us? Oh, you're getting a little closer. 633 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 4: I want to say that maybe I'm one or two ahead. Honestly, 634 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 4: it's been so long that I just declared myself supreme 635 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 4: winner of all things for old Hey. 636 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,439 Speaker 2: I've got an idea you should you should come back. 637 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 4: So you want to have yet another matching of wits. 638 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: Oh that's that's a strong word. I just I thought 639 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,959 Speaker 1: I would give you another chance to do a little better. 640 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:55,399 Speaker 2: Next time. 641 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 4: I'll go and count them up if you want me to. 642 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 4: I'm I'm pretty sure I've at least one or two ahead. 643 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,720 Speaker 4: But it is on like the Donkey Kong, mister Bowlin. 644 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 2: Fantastic, fantastic. Well, no, we got a win. We did 645 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 2: get away. Sometimes you just need a win. And thanks, Casey, 646 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 2: Thanks thanks for intervening in there too. That was really cool. 647 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 2: I appreciate that you believe in me, Casey. 648 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 1: So this concludes our episode, but not our show. Stay 649 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: tuned next time when we explore the strange, hilarious, somewhat disgusting, 650 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: definitely ridiculous method that scientists use to trace the path 651 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: of the Lewis and Clark expedition. 652 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 2: It's the smell test. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit 653 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to 654 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 2: your favorite shows.