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Speaker 1: It's a tough sports, not for everybody. You gotta be

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Speaker 1: a little sick to love this game. And we got

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Speaker 1: some stickos.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to NFL Daily, where linebackers are absolutely back. I'm

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Speaker 2: Greg Rosenthal with me from across the sea. My friend

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Speaker 2: Ali Connelly, who is a linebacker savant.

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Speaker 1: Would you say, just an appreciator.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we're going over linebackers, We're going over safeties, and

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Speaker 2: we're going over defensive tackles, all the positions that.

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Speaker 1: Most people ignore. We're going to go deep on today. Ali.

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love when you get a linebacker

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Speaker 3: draft and Nefyla says it's boring, and I'm just sat

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Speaker 3: grinding the film, saying there's just mole linebackers oozing out

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Speaker 2: I really do believe, Yes, linebackers. We got a couple

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Speaker 2: of great rookies. We got better play I think out

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Speaker 2: of the veterans last year. And I do think people

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Speaker 2: are coming around to the fact that man, having a

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Speaker 2: it's like one of the most valuable things that you

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Speaker 2: of the draft, I know is big for you. Some background.

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Speaker 2: What is your background with the linebacker position and scouting specifically.

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Speaker 3: Well, early in my scouting career, I did seven years

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Speaker 3: exclusively scouting linebackers, digging everywhere. Does Penn have one? Does

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Speaker 3: by the league. That was the bulk of my scouting

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Speaker 2: That's awesome and that's why, Yeah, this is this is

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Speaker 2: really the Ali Connolly draft. I hadn't really thought about that,

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Speaker 2: a fully loaded class at a position, which is there's

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Speaker 2: then there's also depth. But the reason I think for

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Speaker 2: the casuals out there are that Rvel Reese and Sunny

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Speaker 2: And I think just to start the show. Let's just

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Speaker 2: You feel strongly about this, Ali? Why is that I

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Speaker 3: It's just preposterous. And I know he wants to be

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Speaker 2: So in this idea of what a linebacker is, you're

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Speaker 1: Now that I think about it.

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Speaker 2: But is that a good fit for him for the

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Speaker 2: Reese fans out there? Not really, Although this week I

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Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn said they're going to be multiple on defense

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Speaker 3: I think he's saying, if I get Alvel, we'll do

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Speaker 2: So Ali had Reese I believe as your highest rated

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: So where where is Sunny Styles then on that spectrum?

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of pick who you like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's picked. The play style. Reese

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Speaker 1: Of a po Styles you're saying is more of the

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Speaker 3: You mean, yeah, Styles is more of the traditional one

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Speaker 3: And so if you're valuing that level of coverage, it

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Speaker 3: just Fred Warner. How close can we get to Fred Warner?

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Speaker 3: Styles falls more into that boocket to me, and I

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Speaker 3: there is untapped potentials of Blitzer. It's just that's more

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Speaker 2: I love what you hear about him as a guy,

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Speaker 3: Plays, Yes, And I think it's going to make the

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Speaker 3: These guys throw up the head around and most of

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Speaker 2: And and look, I think the combine workout and you

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Speaker 2: He seems a guy who's just he's in control and

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Speaker 2: seem like if I thought about, like, I don't know

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Speaker 1: Maybe Sonny Styles has a little bit of that to him.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't. If anything, times I'm like, can we give

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Speaker 3: I would love him to just take over a quarter

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Speaker 3: And he played safety for a long time. It's not

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Speaker 3: really confident that if you take him third or fourth overall,

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Speaker 2: I did go back and listen to your Guys show,

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Speaker 2: and it's interesting because you tape linebackers first, just because

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Speaker 2: of early in the process, I don't know what changed.

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Speaker 2: You guys were kind of talking about him that way

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Speaker 3: Well, I fall for the linebackers hard and when you

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Speaker 3: I felt pretty severely in Weak one against Texas and

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Speaker 3: it just carried on through twilling the draft process. I

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Speaker 3: Arvel Reese is just you do get see more of

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Speaker 3: and there is this untapped potential which the combine gave

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Speaker 3: With Nick Rolais, is there more to his game in

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Speaker 3: that vein than we've seen so far, Whereas with Arvel

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Speaker 2: And certainty is always a tricky word this time of year,

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Speaker 1: Allen. I'm a little surprised by that.

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Speaker 2: Seems to me like he has a pretty high ceiling,

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Speaker 2: I think in floor an exciting player in his own right,

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Speaker 2: which again to repeat the Sunny styles point, wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: So I gave you a little bit of a project here.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if CJ.

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Speaker 3: It would be Keishawan Elliott. I love it from Arizona State.

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Speaker 1: That I don't want five on the consensus board.

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Speaker 3: And he was three hundred and eightieth in February, so

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Speaker 3: Keish and Elliott. Now, I think to me, he's a

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Speaker 3: the second round, and then you look in year two,

436
00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,879
Speaker 3: year three, go where are they are they playing on teams? Oh,

437
00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,119
Speaker 3: they're not getting on the field anymore, and teams are

438
00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,240
Speaker 3: more comfortable saying most of these guys aren't great and coverage,

439
00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,520
Speaker 3: can we at least be solid in the run fit

440
00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,720
Speaker 3: and then can we kind of mask them with a

441
00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,640
Speaker 3: really zone based defense. There's a lot of split safety looks,

442
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,199
Speaker 3: there's a lot of coverage protection, and he meet us

443
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,880
Speaker 3: fits that mold. He is really really smart. I think

444
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,320
Speaker 3: though he's not a great athlete, he actually is active

445
00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,600
Speaker 3: and alive in coverage and picks things up pretty well.

446
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,359
Speaker 3: It's just a mole around the box, just kills people

447
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,600
Speaker 3: over and over again, one on one in space. So

448
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,520
Speaker 3: I think he's got all the traits of a starting linebacker.

449
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,520
Speaker 3: I would take him comfortably on day two, but based

450
00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 3: on whether the consensus Bolt is at least it wasn't

451
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,359
Speaker 3: feb I guess he's rising now, maybe he won't last

452
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:17,440
Speaker 3: as lung as I thought.

453
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 2: Well that that is late fifth round Arizona State Keishawn Elliott,

454
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,919
Speaker 2: And it just shows you how deep linebacker is that

455
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:30,240
Speaker 2: he's listed as like linebacker fifteen or so right now.

456
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,919
Speaker 2: And I know you like the depth of this class,

457
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:37,520
Speaker 2: but who's a player that maybe is in that middle

458
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 2: tier because I think there will be a decent amount

459
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,200
Speaker 2: of Day two linebackers taken and I'm guessing this is

460
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,479
Speaker 2: this is where this guy comes from. A player that

461
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,640
Speaker 2: you're kind of lower on than consensus.

462
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 1: The one I.

463
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,880
Speaker 3: Struggled with is Anthony Hill from Texas. He really does

464
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 3: look the pop and I'm open to just being completely

465
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 3: wrung on the player, but that's just a to me anyway.

466
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 3: He's six three two three, he's going to be twenty

467
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 3: years old, so it's like the perfect profile if you

468
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 3: can get him in the second round where I think

469
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,120
Speaker 3: he will go to invest that time in two three

470
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 3: years and then become a full time starter, and he

471
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 3: has the athletic profile to play in basically any system

472
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 3: that he wants. I just find him to be so

473
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 3: lacking in a lot of the technical details. I think

474
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 3: there's a slight whiff that he's not always engaged in

475
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 3: the fight. For someone that big, you'd like to see

476
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 3: him take people on and really bring the thunder over

477
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 3: and over again. And it to me is the kind

478
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 3: of like generic football question of blog destruction, take on

479
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,919
Speaker 3: skills and they taught how much is it technique? How

480
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,400
Speaker 3: much is it the mentality the player? I think that

481
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 3: the number one point on the hit list before you

482
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 3: can get to some of the skills involved, is just

483
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 3: they want to play violence. It's a contact sport, it's

484
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 3: a collision position. How much they want to take guys

485
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 3: on one on one when we're really getting after it,

486
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 3: when you're facing an all pro center, when Creed Humphrey

487
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:56,959
Speaker 3: is firing off the ball, are you willing to give

488
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 3: it right back to him? And there are real great

489
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 3: flashes of it off the tape. If you go on

490
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 3: social media, you'll find full five clips and go wow,

491
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 3: but consistently over and over again. You got to bring

492
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 3: the fight for seventy reps. It's just not quite there

493
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 3: for me. And I just wonder if you can really

494
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 3: develop that OVID time or if you give someone twenty

495
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 3: million dollars, they say, well, this is pretty good payday.

496
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 3: I don't really have to go throw my face into

497
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 3: the fire every day.

498
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 2: I mean, physicality is a trait, right, I mean that's

499
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 2: something you look for, especially at this position.

500
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: Kind of compare him in CJ.

501
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 2: Allen because It's interesting again kind of going back to

502
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 2: this draft process.

503
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 1: You know, back in February.

504
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 2: I think the idea was Anthony Hill was gonna be

505
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 2: battling for that kind of linebacker three spot and maybe

506
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,640
Speaker 2: he will in the league will wind up liking him,

507
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 2: and him and CJ. Allen were both ranked a little higher.

508
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 2: They both have fallen a little bit. Whereas I look

509
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 2: at Jeremiah's top forty and there's a huge gap between

510
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 2: those two guys.

511
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 1: He sees CJ.

512
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 2: Allen, and I do find Jeremiah tends to reflect the

513
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,919
Speaker 2: league pretty often, or at least a certain type of

514
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 2: you know, organization in the league.

515
00:22:58,840 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: And he has c. J.

516
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 2: Allen as a top twenty player in this draft, Hill

517
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 2: barely cracking his top fifty. How do you see kind

518
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 2: of the comparison of those two, the physicality that Alan brings,

519
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 2: and I know we kind of short shrifted if I

520
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: did want to get into like the ceiling of it all,

521
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 2: because he does feel like a guy who's very exciting

522
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 2: to watch and maybe is getting mislabeled a little bit

523
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 2: as like a lower ceiling player when when he does

524
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,239
Speaker 2: have a lot of explosive potential, like he is a

525
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 2: fun guy to watch. He might be the as almost

526
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 2: as fun as watching the Ohio State guys. When I

527
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 2: checked him out, He's just he is kind of a

528
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 2: blast to watch.

529
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 1: He is.

530
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 3: He's more frenetic and out control than those guys. I

531
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 3: think those guys know what they're doing every single down.

532
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 3: I'm not sure he's always sure. He's often pointing things

533
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 3: out the teammates that are just flat out wrong. It's

534
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 3: it makes me cackle watching him as like the leader

535
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 3: of the group and he's just getting things wrong all

536
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 3: the time. But man, when he arrives, he just kills people.

537
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 3: He crushes them. He chases everything down. The range is

538
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 3: off the scale, the play speed is off the scale.

539
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 3: He is in that more shure, to stout, to pull

540
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 3: rocket type mold. I always fall for those guys. I

541
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 3: just can't help myself. I always fill for the guys

542
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: who are six' one but play out the six' four

543
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 3: and just bring funda to the point of attack over and. Over.

544
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: Again, yeah like and he's covering a lot.

545
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 2: Of GROUND and i know you're saying sometimes he didn't

546
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: know you know the, Plays right but like a lot

547
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 2: of his profile when you hear him talked about almost

548
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: feels like, he's like, you.

549
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: Know the grood.

550
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: And grinder it's, like that, the, smart tough. Reliable GUY

551
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: but i see a guy that's that's running all over.

552
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: The field so, that's great that's a.

553
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 2: Great combination maybe it's like The Next london fletcher.

554
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: OR something i.

555
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 3: AGREE that i think he's he's almost too eager to.

556
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 3: Make plays he'll get caught in the traffic and all

557
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 3: that kind. Of STUFF so i think that's just a

558
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 3: subtlety to his game. THAT'S lacking i think you can,

559
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 3: refine that and that's what the, two year three Year

560
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 3: process roblin tried to. Tap into someone do you want

561
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 3: to really get after this every. SINGLE day i think

562
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 3: it's easy to try and refine someone who plays with

563
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 3: real violence and aggressiveness and his flying all over the

564
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 3: place and try to funnel. That in and if you

565
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 3: get him into one the systems where he's just playing

566
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 3: off the ball and playing clean, UP duty i think

567
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 3: someone Like the saints where it's a lot of six

568
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 3: to one stuff where he's just the one linebacker off

569
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 3: there just, running, chase run sea hit and then go

570
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 3: and play. GOOD coverage i think he's there's more quality stuff,

571
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 3: IN coverage i would say then there is truly the take. On,

572
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 3: skills now he's super aggressive and that stuff can be,

573
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 3: coached up but he can really move and coverage in

574
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 3: a different way and cover a ton. OF ground i

575
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 3: think he's ideally suited for where the leagu's at. RIGHT

576
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 3: now i haven't graded out as a. Quality starter i've

577
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 3: not had three guys with quality starter grades in it

578
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 3: has to be twelve years and he's the third guy.

579
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 3: In There so I'M with dj AND that i think

580
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 3: he's way high to being in the top twenty players

581
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 3: in the class than than any of the other guys on.

582
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: The, list okay so you have him, then third.

583
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: Who who's who's kind of in your your next tier

584
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 2: of linebackers putting me on the, Spot, HERE.

585
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 3: Well I have keishaan in, that list in the solid

586
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 3: starts here this is where they real meet. THE classes

587
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 3: I love JACOB as i think by the time we

588
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 3: get to, draft names gonna close my eyes and move

589
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: him probably, to fourth maybe even his. HIGHEST third i

590
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 3: just can't quit. THE guy I Have keyshown elliott in

591
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 3: that Lists Of, arizona state We Got, Josiah trutta We've Got,

592
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 3: JAKE golday I Have anthony hill in there for THE reasons,

593
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 3: i mentioned there's still real talent, in THERE just i

594
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 3: don't quite fall in love with. The Player and I've

595
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 3: Got kyle lewis from pitt who's this kind of. Weird

596
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: malleable is he?

597
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: A safety is?

598
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 3: He nicol is he? A linebacker i'm not sure he

599
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 3: can play a linebacker IN, the nfl but he might

600
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 3: be the, most electric quickest player in the entire, draft

601
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 3: CLASS and i think he could carve out a role

602
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 3: as one of these hybrid players moving around.

603
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 2: The, Formation Okay, kyle lewis is, you know projected again

604
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: like a high third round type of pick You Mentioned jeremiah.

605
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: Trotter's son isn't.

606
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: It like a little bit of a red flag that

607
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: he has the same sort of profile as his brother

608
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: who just came out and his dad and that's not

609
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: the model of like a.

610
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: Modern linebacker and, his brother, you know hasn't really. PLAYED

611
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: much i really like.

612
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: THE brother i think Jeremih Try to junior is really.

613
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 3: Really intelligent he just doesn't quite have the ATHLETIC skills

614
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: i think of what IS demanded peti.

615
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: Seem to like him.

616
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 3: That much, you know they're not they're not playing them.

617
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 3: THAT much i, accept that but how many guys have been?

618
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 3: Let go blake cash and was let go By the

619
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: jets goes and starts for. The teams that's just the

620
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 3: way linebacker. PLAY is i think at, The moment joziah

621
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 3: is a footballing lunatic who really struggles to find, the

622
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 3: ball but is interested in running through every human's face

623
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: who comes. Near him so and he is, a really really.

624
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 3: Potent bulitzer his brother does not have that level of

625
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 3: first step speed and kind of feel navigating through in

626
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 3: the past first so HE can i think be a

627
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 3: positive on third down where his brother is kind of

628
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: a rundown only, type player.

629
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: Got, it yeah the point and shoot type. Of guy

630
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 2: what do you think about the Criticism. FOR rodriguez, i

631
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: know we're bouncing all over. The place, You Know, nate tice, for,

632
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: instance thinks you know that maybe he's not in it

633
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 2: for the in the fight enough, enough ys it's out Physicality.

634
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: For rodriguez that's a.

635
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 3: Fair criticism he's more of a bouncy dance between the cracks.

636
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 3: Type player, you know the kind of buzzword all the

637
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: coaches use, these Days Which jesse minter brought to us

638
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 3: all his. Block destruction and when you use that verbiage in,

639
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 3: your mind it's someone just, smashing, someone right it's two

640
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 3: hand punch and stack. And shed but there are high

641
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 3: tower it's It's Absolutely, dante hightower number one guy on.

642
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 3: The board but there's more to it. Than that there's there's,

643
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: throw buys there's, eye fakes there's different ways to defeat the.

644
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 3: Block EFFECTIVELY and i think he's got so many tools

645
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 3: to his back to just navigate through space and to navigate.

646
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 3: AROUND people i think he's probably more of a, coverage

647
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: first drop into his, own coverage sprint all over, the

648
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: field go find the ball and, get it and maybe

649
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 3: he does have to be more of a sub packaged guy.

650
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 3: For you but those are the more valuable downs now

651
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 3: the actual were setting a heavy wall you've got to

652
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: throw your face into it are. Fewer downs if you

653
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: can play, all three that's when you move into the

654
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 3: tier Of r Vel, and SONNY and I. Think cj

655
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 3: allen can. Get there he might be more, coverage first

656
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: racing around all over, the place and then over time

657
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 3: could he become like an as He's al shayer. Type

658
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 3: play if you can get a bit more tenacity out,

659
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: OF him i think that you could look. At that

660
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: but he is just an. INCREDIBLE playmaker i think some

661
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 3: guys just know, the sport, see it. Feel it the

662
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 3: volume of plays on, the ball the amount of times he's,

663
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 3: undercutting plays, jumping plays he's understanding a down, distant situation

664
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 3: all the, punch outs all the game. BREAKING plays i

665
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 3: just think that he's gonna make a whole bunch. Of plays,

666
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 3: to me he smacks of a guy with a really

667
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 3: high national identity where everyone. Knows him he's making a

668
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 3: whole bunch of plays on red zone every week he's

669
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 3: playing For the jags. Or whatever, It's, like wow another

670
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: punch Out From. Jake rodriguez THEN the pff scores come

671
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: out and he's in like the bottom twenty five linebackers in.

672
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: The league that the down to down consistency is not

673
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 3: what you're. Looking for but there's a whole bunch of

674
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: game breaking plays.

675
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: Like Peak devin white or Something Peak.

676
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 3: Devin white it's a. GOOD one i like.

677
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: That set Out To. Devin white still still making. Those tackles.

678
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: It's CRAZY seven i just counted on the contented board

679
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: like seven or eight day two sort of prospects.

680
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: At linebacker do you have any.

681
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: Favorite comps it could be give me a positive anna

682
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: or a derogatory one.

683
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: Or both.

684
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 3: I'd Say kyle lewis as Like A Jeremiah. Oosu, caromoa oh.

685
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: That's good is he?

686
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 3: A linebacker is he? A safety can he do in

687
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 3: a different frame some of the Emon worry jalen peach

688
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: your stilf for he's playing nickel, some snaps he's playing

689
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,719
Speaker 3: weak side linebackers. Some snaps then we can do all

690
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 3: these fun rotations where he's firing out to the. Hot

691
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 3: field he just. Moves differently now he has very little interest,

692
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 3: in tackling and it is a. Contact spot gives me.

693
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 3: Deep concerns BUT if i Just imagine i've got Someone Like,

694
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 3: steve spagnolo the volume of what would be on the

695
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 3: menu would. Be different and if he just turns out

696
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 3: to be really talented and coverage down, the slot even

697
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 3: if it's just taking away, tight ends he's got to

698
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 3: be on the field and you're gonna have to try

699
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: and live with the ups. And downs if a team

700
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: can force him into the box and run it him

701
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: over and. Over again he's just gonna have to live with.

702
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 3: THE downside i gotta.

703
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: WATCH him i mean he is he move like Oh.

704
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: SU cormoa i mean talking about a guy who, moves

705
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: different and it was obvious pretty early IN his.

706
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: Nfl career jok was.

707
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 3: Like that there's almost a iven paced type movement where

708
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 3: the explosiveness off the ball is, just jarring and then

709
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 3: he's really, really slippery kind of laterally. Bouncing around now

710
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 3: you do get to see him go Up Against jeremiah

711
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 3: love where You're seeing saquon like movement skills and he

712
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: gets put on like THREE posters a little. Bit concerning

713
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: you Gotta Face jamiy Gibbs and Bijon and Saquan And

714
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 3: jeremiah love as well IN, the nfl but he played

715
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 3: in a really complex system and he was kind of

716
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 3: the pivot player they would move around to be the.

717
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 3: Problem SOLVER so i think there's a little Bit of

718
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,959
Speaker 3: jok and That even jok where the league's at, right now,

719
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 3: your question can you live on the field in all

720
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: Three DOWN so i think he's gonna be a pretty.

721
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 3: Specific player but he's one of those guys whoever gets

722
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 3: him clearly will have a vision for how they can

723
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 3: use him all over, the place a bit leo chanelle

724
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 3: like something in that vain AND so I think i've

725
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 3: just come around To the chiefs have. Taken him forget

726
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 3: about the. Profile anymore he just makes a ton of sense.

727
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: For THEM oh i.

728
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: Love that maybe, round two, round three something. Like That

729
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: harold perk probably round three if we are to believe.

730
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: The Consensus harold perkins is a guy if there was

731
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 2: a draft after his rookie SEASON at lsu might have

732
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: gone in the, top, TEN right, i mean he was

733
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: like the next. Big, thing yeah and now he's projected one.

734
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: Twenty two i'm ending the linebackers on a, downer note

735
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: but just as again as a casual it's like what?

736
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: HAPPENED here i know it sort of, fell apart but

737
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: there's is there any hope here for a guy like

738
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: who is that productive early in his career to fall off?

739
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: That hard it just shows you how long the draft.

740
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: Process is He Isn't if belichick were still in, the

741
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: league he would take him in the. Second round he

742
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: loved those guys, who were, you know the high end

743
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 2: high school players who had the great.

744
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: One season then maybe they fell off. A bit he

745
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 3: would bet that he could coach. It up he JUST

746
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 3: is i think too small to play through off the.

747
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: Ball linebacker and then with all the movement stuff we

748
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: discussed With Var, val reese can you play on the line?

749
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: Of scrimmage. He cannot he, is, crazy, crazy explosive more

750
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 3: of a straight. Line mover then they kind of flip

751
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 3: the hips and. Turning coverage it's all, straight ahead which

752
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 3: is why the testing numbers are off. The scale and

753
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: If You're brian flores All the falcons and we're mugging

754
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 3: up seven guys and we're just going to rip off,

755
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: the ball he has a speed and you need a

756
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 3: speed to be able to go in. Those systems so

757
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 3: for one of those teams as a, PACKAGE player i

758
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 3: think there's. A, possibility again it would Be the ivan

759
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: paced type situation where there's ten unbelievable splash plays and

760
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 3: then a lot of it is pretty rough the rest

761
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 3: of the. Go around it's just how much you valued

762
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 3: that in a class with seven guys who could be truly.

763
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 2: Solid starters we just Need more FLORES is i Guess

764
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: deironte jones maybe could be that Guy, for washington just

765
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: to take these mismatched pieces that could be great and

766
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: a fun defense and and get the most out.

767
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: Of them he. Is not he is not.

768
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 3: A mismatch it's just, pure speed and the speed. Is

769
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 3: beneficial there is. No power he seems, often confused but

770
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 3: by the Fact, that's saturday, let alone that the, Playing

771
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 3: football so you just you're betting, on well someone has

772
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 3: to get off the ball. So fast, everyone panics and

773
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 3: that's what we're.

774
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 1: PAYING for, a deep.

775
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: Fun class we could we could do linebackers, all day

776
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: but let's take let's take, a break let's, come back

777
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 2: talk about a really good top end of the safety

778
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: crop and the defensive tackles in.

779
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: A minute BACK On, nfl daily.

780
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: My, last show my last few segments before take a

781
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: little time off and go see. The parents we've been

782
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: cranking daily since training, camp started but we'll still have

783
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: you covered. Next week jordan's, Got you shook's, Got, ya

784
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 2: Ali And daniel jeremiah's. Got ya, BUT yeah i feel

785
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: a little bit like my kids in the last few

786
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: days before. Spring break, you know you are the teacher,

787
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 2: for me just playing like a movie for me. To

788
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: watch i'm just enjoying. Your analysis so Thank you ali

789
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: for carrying, me home.

790
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 3: Just Repeated kyle, lewis tape send you off on your

791
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: way to.

792
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: Your parents, oh, no Forget Forget, kyle LEWIS because i

793
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: think you're true beloved in. This class WHY do i

794
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 2: always like confuse the? Two names the Safety? From indiana what's?

795
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: His Name lou Mohle, oh man you spent twenty five

796
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: Minutes On Louis moore wow on, your show and You

797
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: know i've directed people to it when you've been on.

798
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 2: The show but if you're really into the draft and

799
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: you like this kind, of COVERAGE and i would want

800
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: to expand it the Read optional Ali And, John ledyard

801
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 2: i'm gonna just break contain here and actually start our.

802
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: Safety conversation give me the like sixty second elevator Pitch

803
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: On louis moore before we get to the. BIG names

804
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: a guy who was like projected to go like in

805
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 2: the middle of.

806
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: Day three but you believe has a lot more. TO him.

807
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 3: I do, i mean, he's tiny and there's gonna be

808
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 3: questions of is he? And nickel is he a true

809
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 3: kind of on the Shelf SAFETY and i think he's

810
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 3: quite got the latrial quicks to go and down playing the.

811
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 3: NICKEL spot i think you need real physicality to play

812
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 3: there at the high level in. The league, RIGHT now

813
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 3: i think his brain just functions at warp speed and

814
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 3: you can just see it over and, over again not

815
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 3: just kind of reading and, jumping routes which is the most,

816
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 3: obvious stuff with just kind of shutting down reads really

817
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 3: quickly in the progression understanding everyone's. A simon i just

818
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 3: think he operates at a. Different pace and it's weird

819
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 3: to ME that i Just watched indiana run through everyone's

820
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 3: face in, college football And now i'm hearing when people Are. Knocking,

821
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 3: mendozo well, you know the defense is. Really good it

822
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: was really good in those. Playoff games defense is. Really good,

823
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: And yeah i'm looking through the DRAFT and i can't

824
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 3: Find an indiana player who a team is falling in.

825
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 3: Love with it Was, di'angelo puns but is he? Too

826
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 3: small Eight in fish Of the linebacker another really. Intelligent,

827
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 3: player ah but he can go on? Day three not letlie.

828
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 3: Good enough, it's like didn't these guys Just mole alabama

829
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 3: And The? Rose bowl didn't They destroy? Miami defensively didn't

830
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 3: They Destroy ohio state In The Big? Ten tactic, him

831
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 3: defensively and none of these guys a viable enough to

832
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: go and Play. On sundays someone has to be good

833
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 3: enough to Play, on SUNDAYS and i think that if

834
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 3: he played in a re blank and ship. Type role

835
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 3: we're not talking about a, superstar here just a. Backside

836
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: safety we have free reign to go and find the

837
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 3: bowl and. Make plays he works a different speed to,

838
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: everyone else and he's A guy i would want of my.

839
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: Team twenty five. Years old but you called them the

840
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: best goal line player in. The country that's two twenty

841
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: one on the. Big board i'm going.

842
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: To Be Following.

843
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: Louis moore if you listened closely, last year you know

844
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: We asked ali for just, a deep under the radar

845
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: type of guy that, he loved and one of Them Was,

846
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: efton chisholm who Made the patriot.

847
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: Its roster is a hero to.

848
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 2: Many small Whites In, new england and, who knows who

849
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 2: might have a. Fun career if, nothing else he contributed

850
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 2: to a team that Made The, super bowl which is

851
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: a great result for an undrafted. Free agent it's Time

852
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: for charging into, the offseason Presented By apple card for

853
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 2: all your game.

854
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: Day purchases let's go to the top of this.

855
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: Safety, class really the top three are all expected to

856
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: go in the. First round what kind of impact do

857
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: You Think caleb downs, can have like right off the

858
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: bat in his career and kind of where do you

859
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: put him assuming he's number one at safety for you

860
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: compared to the rest of the entire.

861
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 3: DRAFT class i think he's the number one safety. TO

862
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 3: me i think just overall in terms of the fundamentals

863
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 3: and having the fewest negatives on the repol he's a

864
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 3: number one player in. The draft whether he has the

865
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 3: playmaking upside of someone like a novel, RECENT son i

866
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 3: think it is fair, to debate and then the positional

867
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 3: value that falls into. THAT too i would value a

868
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 3: hybrid linebacker slightly above a hybrid safety in terms of

869
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 3: what you can. Do STRUCTURALLY but i see flash of.

870
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 3: His game, you know people talk, ABOUT him i think in.

871
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 3: DIFFERENT ways i see elements in how he is used

872
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 3: and as the pivot point of the entire defense and

873
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 3: what they wanted to do on a unit that had

874
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 3: probably four first. Round picks he was the centerpiece of

875
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 3: everything they tried to get to defensively With A super

876
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 3: bowl champion. Defensive coordinator that doesn't matter. To ME and

877
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 3: i think there are flashes in usage Of A buddha

878
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 3: baker with more Of A brian branch, play style that

879
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 3: IS how i, put it where he's kind of a

880
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 3: slot he's more fluid, than Explosive whereas buddha is a,

881
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 3: bit blurrier bit more explosive off. The ball but there is.

882
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: Real intelligence there, is unbelievable tenasty and get after it,

883
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 3: type stuff unbelievable technique and almost everything he does he's pretty,

884
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 3: flawless technically and so it's difficult to go through and

885
00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 3: try and find something to complain about with.

886
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: The, player yeah and a guy.

887
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 2: Who you saw in, multiple systems, you Know before patricia

888
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 2: got There At ohio state obviously Was at. ALABAMA early

889
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 2: i think. THAT'S huge i, always think and this is

890
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: more of a broader question, for you but you can

891
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: apply it To The caleb downs however. You want that

892
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: the breadth of the career at college tends to get

893
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: over looked, a little that like the Years SHOULD and

894
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: i know you want a player, to develop, of course

895
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: but you should if you see high points earlier in

896
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 2: the career and his ability to adapt in different systems

897
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 2: to me that that is a. Huge plus in the,

898
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: EARLIER years i feel like should should matter, a lot

899
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 2: especially if you see something good and then maybe it's

900
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: not there quite as much at the end of.

901
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 3: Their, career certainly IF the dB played for the most

902
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 3: sophisticated complex defense in all football under a complete Genius

903
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 3: In nick sabe and then he was st the lynchpin of,

904
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: that defense then he goes TO AN nfl dc playing

905
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 3: IN an nfl communication syst meant he's a lynch pin of.

906
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 3: That defense that kind of kind of met us to me. A,

907
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 3: lot YEAH and i do think you can get y'all

908
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 3: ha Broke by chase in the freshman year that, has

909
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 3: happened particularly in the, second round is where teams usually

910
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 3: bet on. That stuff and sometimes it's just the play got,

911
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: found out the play, didn't develop and you're just going

912
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 3: back to betting on. Athletic traits that will, always that

913
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 3: which is why they were high end recruit which is

914
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 3: why they started as a Freshman for good, School ANYWAY so,

915
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 3: i do but a little bit more emphasis on the most.

916
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 3: Recent year unless you can find a, staff change a,

917
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 3: system change a, positional change all the player explains.

918
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: It away and when you, say that when it just

919
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 2: in terms of the lack of negatives and just clean

920
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: at prospect that he could be as as good as,

921
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 2: number one it makes. Me think and everyone seems to

922
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: agree On. Cab downs you, never know there's always disagreements about,

923
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 2: different players but he seems Like That kyle hamilton type

924
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 2: that everyone knew was gonna.

925
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: Be good linderbaum.

926
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 2: Actually just kind of thinking of that draft was similar to.

927
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: That too everyone was kind, of like Why is? Linderbomb

928
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: falling So club downs feels like that he could be

929
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: that guy if he, DOES fall i don't see why

930
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 2: you would in. This draft AND yet i. Don't know

931
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 2: we tend to do this. At safety we be IN,

932
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: the NFL and i do work For, THE.

933
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: Yeah i think it's. IN play i think it's in

934
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 3: play from, the go as low as whether It's the

935
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 3: cowboys or even. BEYOND that i think it depends on

936
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 3: the old school mentality versus new school who's running, the

937
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 3: building and whether people are drafting to archetypes of players

938
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 3: of what they view as a first round pick versus

939
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 3: who can be the most impactful for us and have

940
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 3: kind of first round value playing every down at a

941
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: high level would be first round value. To me IT'S

942
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: why i don't get caught up in the positional designations

943
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 3: as much to. Other people the ONLY position i give

944
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 3: extra grading points to to inflate the number is quarterback

945
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 3: because it's clearly the most. Valuable one other. Than that,

946
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 3: to me it's a mass as many good players as you.

947
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 3: Possibly CAN and i think downs he's Not quite hamilton

948
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 3: because the length difference is. PRETTY vast i don't think

949
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: he's as good deep in the Field As kyle hamilton

950
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 3: was coming Out Of, notre dame and so that impacts the.

951
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 3: Great SLIGHTLY and i think first, round safeties particularly from

952
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 3: that old, school mindset is if the guy's not making

953
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: plays in the ball from the middle of, the field

954
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 3: which just doesn't happen in the. League anymore it's like

955
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 3: three guys who can, do that and you're just lucky to.

956
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 3: Have one if you, have one teams aren't strippted that way.

957
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 3: Anymore DEFENSIVELY but i do think that's still hanging, out

958
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 3: there that if you're not the kind of ballhawking guy

959
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 3: from the middle of, the field how valuable can you

960
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 3: be as? A safety and as, you said we go through,

961
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 3: in This, this hamilton And This, bran trebons like great,

962
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 3: football player but he's got to go in the. Second

963
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 3: round you don't take slot safety hybrids in the. FIRST

964
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 3: round i would take a dominant slot safet hybrid as

965
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 3: SOON as i can. Get them, Kooper Dejen, Brian branch Jalen,

966
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 3: Pe Tree kyle hamilton seem pretty important to some of

967
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 3: the best groups IN.

968
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: THE nfl, i mean if you if, you're redrafting all

969
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: those guys go, Top Fifteen cooper degene might go top

970
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: ten in. This draft let's say if you could somehow

971
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 2: mind trick yourself into like knowing, the Career Like cooper

972
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: dejine's a top, Five player, so yeah why Why Not?

973
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: CALEB downs i?

974
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 2: Love that and maybe the league is coming around because

975
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: they did give out a lot of like, three year

976
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: thirty nine million dollar contracts. To safety is this offseas

977
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: in with a lower ceiling but a high floor of

978
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:08,279
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983
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: About superlative i'm going to give out which is the

984
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: weirdest scouting note of maybe this entire, draft process which

985
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: is the fascination Of a Manuel, McNeil Warren the toledo

986
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 2: player who is in the mix to be the second

987
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: safety Along With dylan Thieneman, from oregon and both of

988
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 2: them are probably first, round picks and his obsession with

989
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: his mouthguard and just always playing around. With that have

990
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: you ever seen anything?

991
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 3: Like this ali one side is scoveted With, McNeil warren

992
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 3: and it's every. Single play there is something with, the

993
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 3: helmet there's something wrong with. The mouthguard he's chatting to.

994
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 3: The official heats the ball, as snapped he still putting

995
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 3: the mouth. Guard in ball will be, mid flight he

996
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 3: takes the, mouthguard out he puts the mouthguard back. In

997
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 3: once you see, with him you See With zaki wheatley in,

998
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 3: this class there's like three or.

999
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: FOUR guys i.

1000
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 3: Don't know there's something going on in the water where

1001
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 3: the safety class just does not want to play with.

1002
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 3: THE mouthguard i know if it's like vibe or coolness

1003
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: or it, doesn't fit but it is preposterous and frustrating

1004
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 3: and genuinely impacts his play in a way that.

1005
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: Annoys, me yeah speak to that a, little bit Like

1006
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 2: he it delays him a.

1007
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 3: Little bit the ball will be snapped and, he'll go,

1008
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 3: oh no the ball's. In play let me put my

1009
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 3: mouth guard in when now two beats into The rep now, he's,

1010
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 3: crazy explosive all sorts of. Juiced up he can make up.

1011
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 3: The TIME but i think it just speaks a little

1012
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 3: bit to attention, to detail focus in, the game and

1013
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 3: that FOCUSES evident i think just generally, in coverage he's a.

1014
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 3: Massive gambler he makes an unbelievable amount of plays on,

1015
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 3: the ball but a lot of it is gambling rather,

1016
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 3: than reading reacting and. PROCESSING understanding, i think, what's uh

1017
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 3: what maybe coming his way based on down distance, in

1018
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 3: situation and It's just i'm off, THE ball I see i,

1019
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 3: trigger It and i'm a better athlete than everyone on.

1020
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 3: The field even when He's playing kentucky IN, The sec

1021
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 3: he's just a better athlete than everyone he's going. Up

1022
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 3: AGAINST so i think that alloted him to get away

1023
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 3: with some.

1024
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 2: Bad hobbits so him AND as i mentioned them and

1025
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 2: are in the mix to be the number. Two safety

1026
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: he is fun. TO watch, i mean you can just

1027
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: pull up the tape of all the forced Fumbles McNeil

1028
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 2: warren had and there's a million, of them a lot of,

1029
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: PUNCH outs, a.

1030
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: Big big.

1031
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: GOOD athlete i don't know if he quite passes my moves,

1032
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: different threshold but he. Moves well he just you look

1033
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 2: at him and, you're, like, oh yeah THAT'S an, nfl

1034
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: player and he will BE like i just you can

1035
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: you can. See it who is your choice between those

1036
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 2: two and kind of where do you think they fit

1037
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: into the.

1038
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: LARGER picture i.

1039
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 3: LOVE them I think oregon sometimes hard to tell with.

1040
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 3: His profile he plays with a specific system that is

1041
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 3: not unique, to them but they're the guys who push

1042
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 3: it to the limit. THE most i, would say where

1043
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 3: it's a lot of three safety stuff and he's playing

1044
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 3: in the middle of the, three safeties and they really

1045
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 3: pack the middle of the field intentionally to try and

1046
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 3: offset a lot OF the rpo work that's happening in.

1047
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 3: College football so just the geometry of the field becomes,

1048
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 3: really narrow and it's nothing how you would play in

1049
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 3: the league where you're playing on half the field and

1050
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 3: you got this wide aperture to kind of keep focus.

1051
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 3: Of everything so it's pretty narrow situation he's. Playing in

1052
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 3: then when you go Back, TO purdue i think he's

1053
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 3: almost even Better at purdue than he Was an oregon

1054
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 3: and he's PLAYING all nfl safety stuff at his. Hard

1055
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 3: field it's. Post safety he's not around the box.

1056
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: As.

1057
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: Much oregon he was Effectively an august three linebacker for

1058
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 3: a lot of the work, they did and he was

1059
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 3: flying around everywhere making a ton. Of plays, outrageous range

1060
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 3: outrageous athlete we found out. In testing don't think he

1061
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 3: quite plays to that speed all the time as he

1062
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 3: did as. A tester But, AT purdue i think you

1063
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 3: get to see more of the traditional safety work he

1064
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 3: would be asked to do IN. THE nfl i just

1065
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 3: think that the work that was better to a point

1066
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 3: earlier about digging back through the guys in that, previous

1067
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 3: history you find a guy booked it into a, certain

1068
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 3: system can you go and find him playing more in

1069
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 3: the role he would be asked to play IN the

1070
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 3: nfl fultly with and you get to, see IT and

1071
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 3: i think that what was actually.

1072
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: Better well and you also it's a skill set to

1073
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 2: be able to pick up and fit in two.

1074
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: Different systems that's.

1075
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: Gonna happen IN, the nfl you you're very likely gonna

1076
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 2: have two different coaching staffs on your rookie, contract alone

1077
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 2: like unless you're drafted by, you know The The tomlin,

1078
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: harbaugh era, You know Ravens.

1079
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: AND steelers i guess you can get lucky, and hope

1080
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: hope that.

1081
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 2: That. Happens yeah he he's an interesting guy where he

1082
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: just then where he feels like a rock, solid pick

1083
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: but he's a, testing freak which is like a nice

1084
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: like a. Nice combination he has shot up the consensus

1085
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: board over the last couple. OF months i think the

1086
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: idea is these guys were going to go in the,

1087
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: second round AND d n might have been deeper, into

1088
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 2: it AND now i think the consensus is they're both

1089
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 2: going in the. First round, AND look I heard legit

1090
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: WHISPERS that i think was a little bit more of

1091
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 2: dot connecting that he goes High, as Cincinnati WHICH.

1092
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 3: Cincinnati i know. Loves him AND then i think the

1093
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 3: question for them is the kind of core crop of

1094
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 3: potential or pro players are going to Go plus mendos or,

1095
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 3: a quarterback and then it becomes a pick who you

1096
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 3: just love, after that and maybe someone falls to them they,

1097
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 3: weren't Expecting, maybe Bay maybe, bailey downs but you think

1098
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 3: they would. TAKE downs i think. THE downs i think

1099
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 3: they would take. Downs TOO but i think as they

1100
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 3: kind of game plan, it out, they, think well what if,

1101
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 3: that happens and then we've got fifty players and we

1102
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 3: got to pick the guys we, just love and when

1103
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 3: then we're thinking about. POSITIONAL value i think they're so

1104
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 3: in Love with fiena and it would be hard for

1105
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 3: them not to just pull. The trigger and given what

1106
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 3: the class, is like we're gonna. Get shockers this is

1107
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 3: what happens when you get these kind of draft classes.

1108
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 3: In it it wouldn't shock me necessarily if they decided

1109
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 3: to go.

1110
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: THAT way i hate thinking about just, this year but

1111
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: there's only so many. Defensive, backs yeah, linebackers even but

1112
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: they're NOT gonna i don't think they probably should be

1113
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 2: drafting that linebacker, OR like i don't think they'll be LOOKING. At,

1114
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: cj allen although that's not the craziest idea with the

1115
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 2: roster that, they have but they need guys that can

1116
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: save everyone's job and help the defense, this year AND

1117
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: so I think i think the edemand could be.

1118
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: That guy it's not a. Bad fit let's move on

1119
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: to the.

1120
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: Defensive tackles unless you have just one more, safety take

1121
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: whether it's positive, or negative you just need to get.

1122
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: Out there you've spent all. This time you.

1123
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: Said something you try to watch all, these, guys right

1124
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 2: you try to watch what is?

1125
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: Your, Process actually i'll just ask you that.

1126
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 3: Watch, every player, every snap, every player.

1127
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 2: Every step so define every player because you can't like they're.

1128
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 2: In theory there could be four. Hundred players so where

1129
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 2: do you get to with every player? This year probably

1130
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 2: it's gonna be about. TWO sixty i think.

1131
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 1: You can leep that. Out, there man two sixty every

1132
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: snap for five games. Isn't enough it depends on.

1133
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 3: The player if there's cross off guys round like it's

1134
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 3: just not, for Me then i'll just cross. Them off

1135
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 3: if someone tells me there's a medical flag on a late,

1136
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: Round guy i'll cross. Them off but for everyone who's

1137
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 3: gonna go in the first, four rounds there, Are, thereabouts.

1138
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 3: Yeah don't this Is why john asked me. This too

1139
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 3: and you've got, to say it's a superpower to not

1140
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 3: have children as everyone else is having, like fun, successful fulfilled.

1141
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 3: MEANINGFUL lives i am in the Cave watching Safeties. From missouri.

1142
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: You're younger it's something people that want to talk about.

1143
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: In general.

1144
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 2: In, some ways the job actually is easier with a

1145
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 2: loving family. And children my son right here is in,

1146
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 2: the room just giving me a FULFILLMENT that i couldn't,

1147
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 2: otherwise have which makes it easier to do. My job

1148
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 2: on the, other hand it's a huge time drain and

1149
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: it makes your job. Way harder when, that happens you

1150
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 2: have to be able. To do you suddenly have two

1151
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 2: jobs and one of them is as all incumbency and

1152
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: more important than your actual job that it actually, uh

1153
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 2: yeah but no one ever wants to say that because,

1154
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 2: it's like, you know make it makes you sound ungrateful

1155
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 2: or it almost sounds like hitting out at the people

1156
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 2: like yourself without without. Having it BUT what i like

1157
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 2: that We're recognizing ali that's just. An advantage it's, like

1158
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 2: analytics you're taking advantage of. The, system, YEAH well i

1159
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 2: mean know deeply, sad man.

1160
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: Don't you?

1161
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 2: Feel though and now we're way off TRACK considering i

1162
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 2: gotta get out of. HERE soon i gotta go get on,

1163
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 2: that plane Go see Tom and Debbie. In massachusetts when

1164
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: you're like watching like a seventh, round safety Let's Say

1165
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: bishop FITZGERALD.

1166
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: Of usc have you, watched it by, THE way i

1167
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: Have Watched.

1168
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 2: Bishop fitzgerald when you're into like game Six Of, bishop

1169
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 2: fitzgerald don't you just Think like i've had enough or,

1170
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 2: or no that's how much you. Love ball in deep,

1171
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: WITHIN this i think is just a love, of ball

1172
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 2: which is, pretty.

1173
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 3: Yeah a love. Of BOWL and i care about, being

1174
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 3: ACCURATE and i think it's it's just cheating to watch

1175
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 3: five games and so you've got a full complete picture

1176
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 3: of a player and that you're gonna then go out

1177
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 3: publicly and start addressing like what a team did in

1178
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 3: the draft when you haven't had the full scope of

1179
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 3: evaluation that the team is but the effort into into

1180
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 3: doing is?

1181
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: The team is the team watching?

1182
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 2: EVERY set i guess they are if someone like you

1183
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 2: as they Are Of, BISHOP fitzgerald i.

1184
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 3: Would hope so that someone on the staff is watching

1185
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 3: every Game Of.

1186
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: Bishop, FITZGERALD okay i don't know.

1187
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: The process i'm always really fascinated by other, people's process

1188
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 2: certainly WITHIN the nfl but also in. Our INDUSTRY so,

1189
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 2: i hope hope listeners like that conversation and yeah there,

1190
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 2: it's great like the juice that you get from finding

1191
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 2: a guy that you love in the in the in the,

1192
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 2: deep rounds Like Like.

1193
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: Louis MOORE but i was just handed a.

1194
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 2: Piece of paper, that, says officially as we, were playing

1195
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 2: my son is now the number one player in the

1196
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 2: world in wee tennis according to.

1197
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: The rankings so, you see.

1198
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 3: And wouldn't you rather behinded that note Than Was genesis

1199
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:10,959
Speaker 3: smith's a Game.

1200
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: For arizona the fulfillment that that gives ME that i

1201
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 2: have a success that he's.

1202
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: Made it let's get to the.

1203
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: Defensive tackles And if, i've been, you know spending some,

1204
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 2: time here it's only PARTLY because i don't know what

1205
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 2: to say about this defensive.

1206
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: Tackle class i'll start.

1207
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 2: This way there's like a big group at, the top

1208
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 2: and no one can.

1209
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: Really agree it's four or.

1210
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: Five Players peter Woods from clemson's in, That mix caden

1211
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 2: McDonald From, Ohio State caleb banks with his very unique Frame.

1212
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 2: From Florida There lee Hunter From, Texas Tech kristin Miller.

1213
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 2: From georgia all five of those guys could go somewhere

1214
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 2: in the late first maybe somewhere in the, second round

1215
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 2: do you have a favorite of? That group and then

1216
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 2: on top, of that do you have any of them

1217
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 2: graded as first?

1218
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 3: Round players no one graid as a. Quality starter it's

1219
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 3: a lot of big. Run cloggers and then sorting through

1220
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 3: do you think anyone's got the juice to maybe.

1221
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: Be a three?

1222
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,959
Speaker 3: Down player or in that second band you're, referencing there

1223
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 3: it's really light players, upfield rushers and you're trying to

1224
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 3: figure out who quite has enough mass or understanding to

1225
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 3: just play all three downs. For us so it's a

1226
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 3: lot of. Rotational players and then it's just how you

1227
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 3: value which part of the rotation THE rundown, i think

1228
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 3: versus obviously the, passing downs and just trying to figure

1229
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 3: out who could be that, crossover player and that makes

1230
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 3: it that makes it really tough in the. Viouation process

1231
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 3: the one who has probably the best chance of doing that,

1232
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 3: if healthy Is Probably. CALEB banks i think of just

1233
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 3: kind of fusing the. Two together unbelievable talk off, the

1234
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:53,280
Speaker 3: ball unbelievable power in. His hands just the foot problem

1235
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 3: is a. Massive concern it's very Similar To johnny newton

1236
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 3: just keeps fracturing the foot over and. Over again obviously

1237
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 3: traditional size sixty six sixty seven for an, interior play

1238
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 3: so the pad level and technique is pretty skew with

1239
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 3: and then he just goes missing for massive stretches, of

1240
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 3: games even against bad competition where you're, the, biggest fastest

1241
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 3: strongest guy on the field at. All times he buries

1242
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 3: great competition just one. Off snap It's Almost chris, jones

1243
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 3: like how quick the wins? Are inside why is it

1244
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 3: not arriving ten times a game against. Bad competition so

1245
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 3: he's the one who's probably gonna break, your heart whether

1246
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 3: GM's like i just feel it in. My bones if

1247
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 3: we can get him in, the building in our building

1248
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 3: and the, right system it will. Work out and in

1249
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 3: three years you're wondering why you drafted the Guy wit

1250
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 3: he was the one during.

1251
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 2: The combine i'm watching and they show some of the

1252
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,879
Speaker 2: Highlights and i'm, just, like wait how is this guy

1253
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 2: now a top? Fifteen prospect this, is awesome this. Is

1254
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 2: cool this is the guy to get. Excited about if

1255
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 2: you WERE AN nfl gm and you've got, let's say

1256
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 2: like a late like an early round, three pick and

1257
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 2: these guys have all fallen or late second, or something

1258
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 2: the one, you know kind of with how defenses are

1259
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 2: run now where you just feel like he's gonna be a.

1260
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: Solid player he's gonna help.

1261
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 2: Our team i'm not swinging for the, fences here but

1262
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 2: he's gonna be my guy that's gonna, help us maybe

1263
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 2: even get a second contract.

1264
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 3: FOR us I Love dominique orange from iostate the, big

1265
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 3: citrus big enormous. Nose TACKLE but i think he can

1266
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 3: move better than a lot of these. OTHER guys I

1267
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 3: Think lee hunt is more of the room plugging guys

1268
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 3: who would go into go in the. SECOND round i

1269
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 3: don't quite understand why he's in a kind of different

1270
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 3: category on the. CONSENSUS ball i think he's in the

1271
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 3: eighties or somewhere. Like That and hunter and some of

1272
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 3: the Players.

1273
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 2: About orange is not in that five PACK that i

1274
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 2: mentioned who we're all between twenty five and, forty seven

1275
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 2: although the PEOPLE that i, TRUST more i feel like

1276
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 2: are bucketing the more thirty five to fifty to fifty

1277
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 2: five something. Like that, but yeah, You're Right, dominique orange.

1278
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 2: Big citrus what an.

1279
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 3: That's, unbelievable yeah.

1280
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: That's it, come, on now.

1281
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 3: He isn't there's not that much of a distinction to

1282
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 3: me with someone, like McDonald who i think will be

1283
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 3: the one who sneaks into the back of the first

1284
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 3: round where you're saying Big Like tyler williams Of, the

1285
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 3: lions big, run clogger is there maybe some pastrous source

1286
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 3: we could tap, into overtime even if it's just knock

1287
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 3: back power or walk, back power and he kind of

1288
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 3: helps everyone else win and he just kind of as

1289
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 3: a big presence in the middle line. OF scrimmage I

1290
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 3: think orange has got real lateral quicks for someone as

1291
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 3: big as, he is with, the big heavy anchor hold

1292
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 3: of the point of attack alive one to eat on

1293
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 3: early downs, around him but the motor. Is outrageous he

1294
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 3: drops out into coverage and he drops out and he

1295
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 3: blasts running backs. In space so if you're looking, for

1296
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 3: okay who's just got some under the hood movement skills

1297
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 3: that weren't quite a central part of, the defense he

1298
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 3: was asked to, play it and just maybe there's A

1299
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 3: tim Settle like ark in there where he's just in,

1300
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 3: the rotation is a nuisance whilst the star players go

1301
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 3: win off the edge over and. Over Again dominque orange

1302
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 3: is THE one i would Bet, On.

1303
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 2: Okay, Tim Settle, Like Arc tim settle did get a surprisingly,

1304
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 2: good contract and every team that has him, is, LIKE

1305
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 2: man i wish We Had tim settle back whenever they.

1306
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,479
Speaker 2: Lose him so it's a totally fair comp but also

1307
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 2: kind of shows where this defensive tackle Classes At. PETER

1308
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 2: woods i want to get your opinion, on him just

1309
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 2: Because the. CLEMSON product i think initially this IS where

1310
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: i think the league told the draft knicks, that, like

1311
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 2: no we're not really that.

1312
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: Into him you guys are. Into him i'm not totally sure.

1313
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 2: Why ranked, Super high like if you were looking at

1314
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 2: in season rankings from a lot of, the Drafting even,

1315
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 2: january stuff and now it's settled back to. THE back

1316
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 2: i don't know if you Have Any peter Woods of

1317
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 2: clemson talc who could still be a first.

1318
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: Round, Pick, POTENTIALLY.

1319
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 3: Yeah i think that's still in play because one of these,

1320
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 3: INTERIOR guys i. Gotta go i'm gonna Get, The Seattle,

1321
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 3: New england philadelphia effect that those teams were built with

1322
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 3: internal pass rush and like waves of, those plays and

1323
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 3: so teams are going to try and. Chase It the

1324
00:59:58,160 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 3: lions tried to chase it with. The play who was not.

1325
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 3: THAT anyway i, was like we got to, take him

1326
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 3: we need. Internal push woods is crazy explosive off. The

1327
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 3: ball he is a small fellow for someone. Playing inside

1328
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 3: he's Built Like murray's hurst with that kind of quick

1329
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 3: twitch off.

1330
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: The ball, small, fellow though what is?

1331
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 3: His size six, Ninety eight so you're, LOOKING there i

1332
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 3: mean that is that. Is small that is in the

1333
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 3: bottom five percent of defensive tackles draft in the. Past

1334
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 3: decade he shared a.

1335
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: Crazy statement on. This sport what a weird sport?

1336
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 3: With sport but it's a size and power position and

1337
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 3: he just has the speed and another guy who goes missing,

1338
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 3: for long long stretches and can he really live on

1339
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 3: those early downs or is he a situational? Pass rusher

1340
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 3: and he draft situational pass rushers in the first round,

1341
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 3: The draft and even with situational pass hushes playing inside IN,

1342
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 3: the nfl it's a speed to, power position not just

1343
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 3: a raw talk off the ball. Type situation so he

1344
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 3: kind of falls between a bunch. OF positions i get

1345
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 3: why people fall in love. With him it's just molieble

1346
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 3: explosiveness for an. Inside player the production is. Really pulled

1347
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 3: the production fell. This season he was a unanimous top

1348
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 3: ten selection a, year ago and then the production really

1349
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 3: declined And there's mota. Concerns too he just he just

1350
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,479
Speaker 3: slows down during games and slowed down throughout.

1351
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: The, season yeah to.

1352
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 2: Bring it back around to where we started, THE conversation

1353
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 2: i Feel Like anthony hill was a guy people thought

1354
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 2: might go before the season, top ten, top fifteen and

1355
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: then you get, more data you find.

1356
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: It out you watch, every game.

1357
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 2: YOU know, I hope i hope you don't SEE what

1358
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 2: i was saying about watching every game as. A criticism

1359
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 2: it's a RESPECT and i think what people don't get,

1360
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,959
Speaker 2: about that it's, not about, you know being robotic. About

1361
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 2: it you got to have a real deep love for

1362
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 2: the game to go to go.

1363
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: That deep so.

1364
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 3: How do you do twenty minutes On McNeil. Warren's, mouth

1365
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 3: god if you're not digging through. Every game That's why

1366
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 3: that's why we Do the readoptional podcast the way. We

1367
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 3: do it's why we do seven hours on. Six safeties

1368
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 3: it's just the way we.

1369
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: DO it i had to bring up that was like

1370
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: the most amazing note and it.

1371
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 2: Is the right way to do IT BECAUSE i i

1372
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 2: DID The qb index for so LONG and i, never understood,

1373
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 2: you know the only way to evaluate it was to

1374
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 2: watch every single throw every, single week because if, you miss,

1375
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 2: to me a seventeen game chunk or sixteen games back

1376
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 2: in the day was like the best way to evalue

1377
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 2: it a quarterback if you mis like if you miss

1378
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 2: an entire game or, stretches, again like it's just it

1379
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 2: is a totally different picture that that is how it should.

1380
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 2: BE done i have, to, admit though and it's it's

1381
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 2: the worst part of me as a draft as an analyst,

1382
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 2: in general is Sometimes when i'm watching for all the,

1383
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 2: draft PROSPECTS once i get, DEEPER deeper i, always, think,

1384
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 2: like oh wouldn't that be better spent JUST watching nfl tape?

1385
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 2: RIGHT now i could just, be one because THAT'S how.

1386
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 2: I know i'm not a real draft knick like you or.

1387
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 2: Like Like but i've said This to.

1388
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 3: JUMP before i do think that'd be great value in

1389
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 3: a tee in just having someone much like the ten

1390
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 3: or fifteen best plays of a player put in their own,

1391
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 3: bolt together putting it, an envelope and then three is

1392
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 3: down the line opened, the ENVELOPES because i think you

1393
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 3: can massively overthink the players and you can start juicing

1394
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 3: up things against either lower competition or just had a,

1395
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 3: good game or the game plan, was excellent the play

1396
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 3: wasn't a function. OF it i THINK if i was

1397
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 3: running a building which will never happen unless it Is

1398
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 3: The london Jags and tony conni, is feeling, you know

1399
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 3: for any, time GO then i would, employ Someone Probably,

1400
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,439
Speaker 3: greg rosenthal, to say just watch ten clips of, every

1401
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 3: player put that. Bullet together we'll put it in, the

1402
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 3: envelope and in three years we'll open up and find

1403
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 3: out whether we were overthinking.

1404
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 2: This, stuff yeah you can do the same with the

1405
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 2: like the, consensus board just drafting off that, in general

1406
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 2: but what fun would?

1407
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: That be my only thing is for Some.

1408
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 2: Reason i'm like watching this, is, Like man i'm like

1409
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 2: itching to get to Like The kyler murray tape. FROM

1410
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 2: that I just i'm already like getting a little ATCHY

1411
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 2: for nfl football and want to. Go back but that

1412
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:45,439
Speaker 2: we'll spend a lot of our off season talking. About

1413
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 2: that ali is the best at what. He does great

1414
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 2: way to cap, The week let's hit. That music the

1415
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 2: next time you will hear from us on, the feed

1416
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 2: it's going to be a. Different us, the kid the

1417
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 2: kids are taking over, the SHOW as i Mentioned when

1418
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 2: jordan was on. The show from the, owners meetings it Will,

1419
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 2: Be jordan Rodrigue And nick shook in the Feed. On

1420
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 2: monday i'm Heading, to massachusetts but the draft Series with

1421
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 2: ali's not over yet will do that on the.

1422
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: Other side see, you then