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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast, Which producers love life will

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Speaker 1: they expose? Welcome to another episode of the Around the

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Speaker 1: NFL Podcast. I'm Greg Rosenthal, sitty in for our host

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Speaker 1: danenhanceas we're missing him today, but we are lucky to

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Speaker 1: have a room filled with some heroes, Mark Sessler of course,

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Speaker 1: and the electric Patchrick clay bonn Electric. Yes, let's get it.

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Speaker 1: I'm all about energy. Sean was chining us for our energy.

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Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm caffeinated, I'm ready to go right Um,

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Speaker 1: Sean Kelly city in one more show here in the

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Speaker 1: producer chair for for Graver. I guess if we're getting

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Speaker 1: into a producer's love life, you're up next. So what's

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Speaker 1: going on? There's nothing going on on that front that

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Speaker 1: you can expose, so not with anyone. Curtly single ready

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Speaker 1: to mingle. You know what's up? And um, you know,

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Speaker 1: just living my life every day to time. Okay, we've

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Speaker 1: we've hit the allotted Sean time for the day of

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Speaker 1: the camera like went right to him. It's just yeah,

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Speaker 1: uh there there will be a fun Easter egg though

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Speaker 1: for the die hearts. At the end of the way,

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Speaker 1: Sean Kelly really bringing the energy, getting us ready. We

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Speaker 1: don't have to manufacture energy preseason week when we we don't.

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Speaker 1: We keep it real here at the Around the NFL podcast,

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Speaker 1: like it's fun to have football back. There are things

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Speaker 1: to take away. We're gonna do a segment things we

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Speaker 1: actually believe in from the preseas, but we also don't

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Speaker 1: need to make it more than what it is. Like

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Speaker 1: we're veteran. Well, I you know, I will will the

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Speaker 1: Easter egg will come. But I'll say it in a

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Speaker 1: capsule that like it was like, hey, Mark, get your

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Speaker 1: energy up. It's like I will be who I am

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Speaker 1: when the light goes on. You're gonna get what you need.

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Speaker 1: But I I don't need to raise my voice or

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Speaker 1: false manner. I'm gonna be genuine. But but it's just

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Speaker 1: you need to treat each person in But after a

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Speaker 1: thousand plus shows, wherever we're at, uh, we know Mark

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Speaker 1: delivers either they say at the preseason you want to

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Speaker 1: see who transfers it from practice to the game. Who,

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Speaker 1: like Aaron Rodgers said, there's some players that actually only

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Speaker 1: show up when the lights are on. That's Mark Sessler

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Speaker 1: that that's exactly right. I think in practice, my practice

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Speaker 1: you know, hey, check out my weekend. It's like I

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Speaker 1: don't need to. I don't. I was like that as

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Speaker 1: There are some coaches where you get there. I like

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Speaker 1: Dennis Allen was talking about like a certain player on

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Speaker 1: reporters are really going crazy with it. He was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: You're not sure if everybody else is checking it down

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Speaker 1: is getting some practice in. He uh taped a Fantasy

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Speaker 1: him sitting in UM on multiple shows. Hopefully we'll be

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Speaker 1: think we will. But in the meantime, when can we

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Speaker 1: see that Fantasy Live show you just tape? It's got

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Speaker 1: to be Actually, what is it, Jack Special? Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: So we've got that tonight and we've also got Monday

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Speaker 1: Night and UM. So yeah. In message to Cuddley executives

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Speaker 1: well and also keep pounding out this. Uh, preseason is

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Speaker 1: lot of good Fantasy nuggets. We will have the Fantasy

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Speaker 1: because almost all preseason news is bad news. It's injury news,

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Speaker 1: you what's spicy? Though? At least I don't want to

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Speaker 1: worried about Zack Wilson. I actually think there was some

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Speaker 1: would like to to make plays, especially with Zack Wilson

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Speaker 1: and all of this conversation about his long term viability

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Speaker 1: was was reading, uh, pretty creative blitz by the Steelers

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Speaker 1: to where he found the dump off for a first down.

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Speaker 1: I think it was the running back and end up

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Speaker 1: being a first down, and it was like, that's what

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll loves. That's why he wants Jo Smith. It

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Speaker 1: might not be excited, but we're getting you know, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have freaking believe it and it's not exciting, Like

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Speaker 1: I just I don't have to agree that it's light.

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Speaker 1: This is you, this is your world, and I'm glad

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Speaker 1: it's happening for you. But that after all these years,

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Speaker 1: Geno Smith is really going to be a Week one

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Speaker 1: starter in the NFL. You have a you have a

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Speaker 1: hyperm for middling qbs. I don't get it. All it

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Speaker 1: took was a franchise punting on their Hall of fame quarterback.

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Speaker 1: That's all it took. That was the journey together. Uh,

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Speaker 1: hopefully the Ravens will never punt on their franchise hall

442
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Speaker 1: of fame quarterback. Lamar Jackson. That's our final bit of news.

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson mentioned this weekend he's kind of set a deadline.

444
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Speaker 1: It was phrased to him, is that a hard deadline?

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Speaker 1: And he essentially said yes, answering the question. He didn't

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Speaker 1: put it out there, but that was the question that

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Speaker 1: was asked to him. In terms of a contract um

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Speaker 1: discussion that if he gets two week one, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to talk contract anymore. He would uh enter a

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Speaker 1: contract year next year the best way to do it,

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Speaker 1: and that's Lamar has been consistent with this. We were

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Speaker 1: in for the starter training camp and Scott Pioli, who

453
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Speaker 1: was with the organization when they moved UH to Baltimore

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Speaker 1: in the first place, reported that they were confident that

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Speaker 1: they were going to get this done, and Lamar said

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Speaker 1: that I missed that that he was confident. Uh, they

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Speaker 1: were having discussions, which is always a good sign when

458
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Speaker 1: you when you're still having having the chat. But if

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Speaker 1: if the number is not what Lamarmot wants, he's perfectly content. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Seeing what's happened, we saw Dak Prescott's leg in two

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Speaker 1: pieces and he still got his contract. I think Lamar

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Speaker 1: is confident that if the number is not right, he'll

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Speaker 1: play this season and it's only gonna get bigger. The

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Speaker 1: number is only gonna go up as the season goes on,

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Speaker 1: so it's it's up to them to find the number

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Speaker 1: that works. He's never panicked. He's been extremely kind of

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Speaker 1: low key and chill about it, and I just think, like,

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Speaker 1: it's not But there's no scenario here that they both

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Speaker 1: like each other. We'll see if it happens on the ground.

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Speaker 1: Reporting here from Claibon in Baltimore. How was it? Um?

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Speaker 1: You know, you've you've you know, I don't think of

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Speaker 1: you as like a guy who puts his emotions on

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Speaker 1: his sleeves a lot with players or teams, but you're

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Speaker 1: a pretty big Lamar Jackson And so you interviewed him

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Speaker 1: on NFL Network. Was that? How was that like as

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Speaker 1: a fan to interview like someone like that? It was.

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Speaker 1: It was a pretty nice moment because it was it

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Speaker 1: was on Back Together Saturday and there was a fireworks

479
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Speaker 1: show and kids are holding up jerseys for Lamartisson and

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Speaker 1: he's coming through and doing everything. It was just one

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Speaker 1: of those I Love my job type moments and also

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Speaker 1: cool to dap up Lamar, who says he kind of

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Speaker 1: downplayed his body changing, but he's up in the two

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Speaker 1: twenties now says its rookie year. He was at two

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Speaker 1: oh two. But do you think he knows you're a fan?

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Speaker 1: Probably not. You know, It's not like like trying not

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Speaker 1: to bother people, like if I see somebody in the airport,

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Speaker 1: I think the last time I asked for an autograph

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Speaker 1: with Stone Colt Steve Austin in the terminal acceptable. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But other than that, you know, I just trying to

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Speaker 1: you know, hey, hey, appreciate you, thanks for thanks for

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Speaker 1: stopping by. That's that's my attitude. As Dan would say,

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Speaker 1: pro pros who are pro you don't vibe fanboy, that's

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Speaker 1: gonna lose his Head's not just saying if there was

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Speaker 1: one play, are what happened? That would have been it.

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Speaker 1: So over five thousand people on Twitter because of you.

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Speaker 1: That's how, that's how. That is amazing. And that is

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Speaker 1: it for the news. Let's take a quick commercial break.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to the preseason games. We've already started to

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Speaker 1: hit on it, but we're um now gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: some things over the weekend, and we're taping this after

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Speaker 1: all sixteen games. Because we didn't talk about that Patriots

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Speaker 1: Giants game in the two games that were on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: So I'm opening the floor to you two and I'll

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Speaker 1: throw some out there. It's hard to kind of separate

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Speaker 1: the wheat from the chaff in the preseason. That's an

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00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: old phrase. I don't really understand you separate what matters

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Speaker 1: what doesn't. We actually believe in more more of a

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Speaker 1: very guy. Farming used to be very important to the world, bigger,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's still is quite important. It was a

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Speaker 1: bigger percentage of the economy back in the day. Workers

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Speaker 1: and I think like farming nomenclature and you know, parables

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Speaker 1: worked probably better back then than now. I mean, you're

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Speaker 1: making you're making fun of me. But how many farms

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Speaker 1: have you ever worked at in your life? I worked

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Speaker 1: on a farm in Australia. Actually, what about you? International farm?

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Speaker 1: I'm zero for zero, tied at one each family farms.

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Speaker 1: It would be probably better for us to all know

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Speaker 1: a little bit more about agriculture. And it was good,

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Speaker 1: it was a good experience. Unfortunately you learned about yeah,

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Speaker 1: like that these farms largely rely on illegal immigration and

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Speaker 1: there's the problems. That's what That's what I mean. Let's

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Speaker 1: throw out what we believe on let's believe and let's

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Speaker 1: let's start with Mark. Why not. It's it's so easy.

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Speaker 1: I just put these in order. I I you know,

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Speaker 1: I like you Gregors. You know your weekends going up

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Speaker 1: and down. I watched some of these games, a lot

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Speaker 1: of them yesterday and I caught, you know, a bit

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Speaker 1: of the live action of the Niners versus the Packers

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Speaker 1: and could tell it was one of the better preseason

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Speaker 1: games around. But Trey Lance, because we spent months and

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Speaker 1: months and months wondering whether he can play or not,

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Speaker 1: whether Kyle Shanahan didn't actually want him, but maybe the

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Speaker 1: front office it did John Lynch. And then you watch

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Speaker 1: what happened in that game and his arm and it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is why Jimmy g is a persona on Garratta

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Speaker 1: in San Francisco at this point. The seventies six yard

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Speaker 1: laser bolt to Danny Gray, who was also a fascinating

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Speaker 1: young wide receiver, extremely fast, four three speed, was incredible

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Speaker 1: to watch. I mean, it's like their large amount of

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Speaker 1: moments in the preseason that just make you feel something

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Speaker 1: within and that did because suddenly the Niners feel completely

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Speaker 1: different to me. And then the thirty nine yard touchdown

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Speaker 1: to Raby Rabbi mcleoud. I mean, he can just do

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Speaker 1: it and I are both these go routes where it's

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Speaker 1: like it changes what the Niners offense can be. And

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Speaker 1: I think if you're Kyle Shanahan, you are freaking out

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Speaker 1: inside after what you saw, because they've seen it in practice.

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Speaker 1: I mean even last summer you talked about how much

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Speaker 1: more aggressive he was on certain plays than Jimmy g

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Speaker 1: And I think he had that finger injury at the

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Speaker 1: end of last season that limited his performances in general,

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Speaker 1: and you kind of went into the off season wondering,

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Speaker 1: who is Trey Lance at this point? What with what

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Speaker 1: I saw. I look at the Niners and think their

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Speaker 1: stock is totally up if this is what he is.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's you know, there have been practiced reports

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Speaker 1: that have been a little little up and down too.

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Speaker 1: But maybe you get to the games and he can

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Speaker 1: do this because they've got someone like Danny Gray, Brandon I,

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Speaker 1: Daebo Samuel. You've got weapons that can beat secondaries and

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Speaker 1: you've got a quarterback that confine them. It changes everything

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Speaker 1: for San Francisco. And it's not even with the full

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Speaker 1: running game on display, because Trey is not gonna have

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Speaker 1: too many keepers in the preseason, and it's honestly, it's

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Speaker 1: not gonna be Trey Sermon back there. You're gonna have

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Speaker 1: more speed in the backfield. It's just gonna look totally different.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be catered to Trey and unfortunately for the

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Speaker 1: Jimmy g era. The thing we're gonna remember is the

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Speaker 1: past to Manny Sanders that wasn't and we're gonna think

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Speaker 1: about the missed opportunities deep and Trey steps in and

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00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: you feel better about it. You think the offense is

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Speaker 1: going to be better on the short end. And also

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Speaker 1: you know the Jimmy had problems in the intermediate right,

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Speaker 1: not seeing linebackers. Sometimes I think the sky the limit.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you right there, Mark. I believe you were excited.

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Speaker 1: I know you were. You were watching that one live, Yes,

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Speaker 1: little Tray Lance action. That was about as good as

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Speaker 1: the preseason is gonna get it. To be fair, you

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Speaker 1: can see one thing that's annoying about the preseason where

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Speaker 1: you have to I watched it yesterday. I was like,

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Speaker 1: I want to tweet something about Trey Lance and got

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Speaker 1: like three legs because it's like, bro, that game was

584
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: days ago. Like you gotta make Yeah, you gotta make

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Speaker 1: it's tricky. You just gotta not do it. And you

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00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: gotta find a time where everybody's watching the same game.

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Speaker 1: You gotta make it spice. If it's the next day,

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00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: then it's got to be more of like a tree

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Speaker 1: lance for the season. Take Well, it was also a

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Speaker 1: very milk toast tweets I said, I'm like just catching

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Speaker 1: up now or something. It's like, all right, loser, like,

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Speaker 1: why are you bothering us with this? So it was

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Speaker 1: it was unnecessary. You know, learned a lesson. I think

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Speaker 1: that is a lesson. You don't want to do the

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Speaker 1: just catching up now? You just I Also I hate

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Speaker 1: when people do tweets like hey guys, I'm watching film

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Speaker 1: right now. It's like, hey listen, nerds, don't care, We'll

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Speaker 1: just get to the real part. We know you're watching.

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Speaker 1: That's what the tweet tells you. It's kind of like

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Speaker 1: if you're hosting a podcast US and if there's any

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00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: listeners out there and I still make this mistake, don't

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00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: you don't need to like say, as I tweeted, this

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Speaker 1: is not what you just did actually because you made

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Speaker 1: it into a story, or as I said in like

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Speaker 1: the chat or as I you know, just say it,

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Speaker 1: just say it, go right to the go right to that.

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Speaker 1: Danny Danny Gray was has been a guy that has

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Speaker 1: gotten a lot of like fire from Kyle Shanahan. He

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Speaker 1: tends because he played receiver. I think he's like hard

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Speaker 1: on the receivers. That's that's at least the rep He

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00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: was like that with a Yuk. He's been like that

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Speaker 1: with Debo very early on, and he's like that with

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Speaker 1: Danny Grays. They really that to me is actually a

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Speaker 1: good sign for Danny Gray. They want Danny Gray to

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Speaker 1: really be a bigger part because he's been the star

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Speaker 1: of the camp. And if you have and if you're

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Speaker 1: making a scenario of how you wanted Trey Lance's first

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Speaker 1: uh fifteen months as a forty Niner to go, if

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Speaker 1: you had said beforehand, we make the NFC Championship with

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Speaker 1: Jimmy g we have what looks like on paper to

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Speaker 1: be a top five defense going into two and a

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Speaker 1: great running game. So there, you know, he's not gonna

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Speaker 1: have to do as much. And we've got Deebo. Samuel

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Speaker 1: is like an m v P candidate, and a Yuka

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Speaker 1: is you know, peaking. Well, that sounds a boat ideal.

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Speaker 1: It actually sounds like exactly how you would want to develop. Uh,

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Speaker 1: this young quarterback. What what's something you believe in after

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Speaker 1: watching one week of the preseason and getting a chance

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Speaker 1: to see them in practice. I believe in the Jags defense. Uh.

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Speaker 1: People wonder about you have back to back number one

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Speaker 1: overall picks. You take treyvon Walker and it's like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if he's got the polish. It's it's there.

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Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker is solid against the run, the power. People

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Speaker 1: wondered if that would show up at the next level.

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Speaker 1: It's there. I think this this defense because Doug Peterson

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Speaker 1: in the offense are gonna be a whole lot of attention.

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Speaker 1: We saw how they performed against Carson Wentz. There's the

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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz caveat was Carson Wentz in the last week

639
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: of the season. But I believe, and of course the

640
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: cloud of Urban Meyer is gone. They don't have to

641
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: deal with that. They can kind of get treated like adults,

642
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: which Josh Allen said, I'm ready. I'm ready for the

643
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: Jags defense. When you talk like we talk about the

644
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: bad teams last year that have a chance to get

645
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: a bunch more wins. I think the Jaguars are right

646
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: in that conversation, and I know everyone was picking the

647
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: Jets is that they could be too. But the Jaguars

648
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: with good coaching versus what the apocalyptic scenario that happened

649
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 1: a year ago. Literally players needed like psychological recovery from that.

650
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: The way they talked about it, there's stability there. I

651
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: thought Trevor Lawrence looked a lot better in that offense

652
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: in this game, in the short moment that we saw him.

653
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: But you're right, two weeks in a row of the

654
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: defense has been pretty fiery. Yeah, Trayvon Walker, he helped

655
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: force a fumble where he just like exploded. I mean

656
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: you could just you can just see it with some

657
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,479
Speaker 1: guys there, even though he looked like he's more athletic

658
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: than the other guys in the SEC. Still looks like

659
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: that in the NFL. And Tyson Campbell is another defensive

660
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: player that they seem to be really excited about that's

661
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: been flashing. I'm gonna go h with a rookie as well.

662
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: The rookies are ultimately the most in interesting I would

663
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: say part of the preseason, and you met to George

664
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: Pickens before, and I'm gonna be that guy when you

665
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: have a take in the off season. Uh, you only

666
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: have to wait one preseason game to have it confirmed.

667
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: My priors are confirmed. George Pickens is awesome. Uh. I

668
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: just when you watched his college sape, he seemed like

669
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: he might be the best receiver in this class just

670
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: based off of his tape. But he was coming off

671
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: of a torn e c L and there was some

672
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: off field you know stuff. Okay, Mike Tomlin is exactly

673
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: the team and the coach that you want a player

674
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: to land in at some point. All these receivers that

675
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: they draft in the middle rounds that usually fall for

676
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: whatever reason, people give all the credit to Kevin colber

677
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: And and then he should get a lot of it.

678
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: He he spots talent, He picks the right guys. But

679
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: there's a reason why they all seemed to work out

680
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: because they're on Mike Tomlin's team. Like he creates a

681
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: structure and a system and it's and you can change

682
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: to the offensive coordinators. Sometimes it's a baller like Bruce Arians. Uh,

683
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: sometimes it's not, you know, whatever it is, the receivers

684
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: tend to work out because I think Mike Tomlin has

685
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: a way to reach players, to create a structure where

686
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: these players thrive. And George Pickens to go off on another.

687
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: Mark Caboli in the Athletic Sentence said that before this game,

688
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: he's literally never seen a rookie been better this fast,

689
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: that that this early in camp. That they're this good

690
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: every single day as George Pickens, and unlike Jamison Williams,

691
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: who got taken first. And I was debating between Williams

692
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: and Pickens as my top two in my rankings, I

693
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: went Williams first, Pickens second. You got to worry about

694
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: that a c L sir, you know, recovery while he

695
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: was still in college. Now he's good. He he returns

696
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: for the very end of the Georgia season and so

697
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: now he actually has some time away from it. And

698
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: he made that catch on the Mason rudolph Um throw

699
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: that you mentioned. That was just like a really high

700
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: level touchdown catch. I know it's one play, but he

701
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: also made a really contested catch on the sidelines. I

702
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be a guy from from the get go.

703
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: He's so complete and it's like I I was getting

704
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: on like year two or three. Josh Gordon vibes from him.

705
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: To be honest, I mean as a blocker, if you

706
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: go watch when other like runners are coming around it,

707
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: he just is looking for someone to blow up. And

708
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: there's that one Twitter clip that went vibral where he

709
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: just went up and jacked a Seahawks cornerback to the

710
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: ground and he went like three. He just didn't because

711
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: he's like out there to create disaster. And I mean

712
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: he's just so complete. To me, looks like a year

713
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: seven pro um. He can make the sideline catches, it

714
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: was the touchdown catch. He sort of does it all

715
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: and it's like he's the new DK Metcalf where it's

716
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: like he's gonna be kept talked about all the guys

717
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: that went before him, and he somehow the Steelers have

718
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: found another one of these people. I know, their quarterback

719
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: plays up going to be up and down, but they've

720
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: got weapons. And here's the thing, because Greg mentioned it right,

721
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: if not for the a c L injury towards the

722
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: end of his career at Georgia, there's no way George

723
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: Pickens is going uh burst onto the also birming him

724
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: al about was George he was the m v P

725
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: of his ballgame as a as a freshman, and the talent.

726
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: The talent is there at the size of the physicality

727
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 1: is there, and people were just wondering about his recovery

728
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: from the knee, but it's there, Like George Pickens is back,

729
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: He's at all of this tomb to recover and now

730
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: it's just we're dealing with the Steelers having another receiver

731
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: that everybody else was like, uh nit picking on and

732
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: taking other guys. But the talent is undenied, like pick

733
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: it to Pickens, like, is that could be like the

734
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: next fifteen years of our life? I uh? And in

735
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: Deonte Johnson is now around for the next couple of years.

736
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: They love friar muth uh. To use a fantasy term,

737
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: I'd be fading Chase Claypool stocks slightly just because I

738
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: think ultimately they're kind of similar players, and Pickens will

739
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 1: cut into if you're hoping for a Claypool renaissance, He's

740
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: got to cut into it. Not that Claypool is gonna

741
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: have a bad season or not, but you know, I

742
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: just don't know how many Yeah, there's only so many targets.

743
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: This would come out of either Kinney, Pickett or Mason

744
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: Rudolph or Mitchell trabisk There's only so many balls to

745
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: go around because Nazi Harris is gonna occupy most of

746
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: the touches on this offense anyway, Right, let's take a

747
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: quick break. Good, good, gonna be a host work. I'm

748
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: gonna you know, I'm a little late on this, Sean Kelly,

749
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: and now you're just gonna have to figure out how

750
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: the breaks work. Let's do it, all right, we are

751
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: back mark, what do you got? Fourth round pick out

752
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 1: of Florida going to a team we almost never talked

753
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: about unless we're making fun of them, The Houston Texans.

754
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: Damian Pierce running back, automatically their lead running back. In

755
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: my opinion, I think he was the most enjoyable runner

756
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: I watched of any of the games. It's one of

757
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: those running backs where he blasts through the line of

758
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: scrimmage and suddenly, even though there's like four defenders in

759
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: his face, he's seven yards ahead. He every game was

760
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 1: seven yards eight yards now year had a great twenty

761
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: yard game. There was one place, great late, incredible low

762
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: center of gravity where he got knocked down and he

763
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: just used his hand to spring back up and bang,

764
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: He's twelve yards down the field. He I think gives

765
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: the text and something they can really anchor around. And

766
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: I know that's easy just to forget about the Texans,

767
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: but we talked about them in our over under episode

768
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: and I took them clearly for the our favorite among

769
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: our favorite overs because I think it was five point five.

770
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: It's not hard to win. They won four games a

771
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: year ago. They have a good running back. I think

772
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: they have a quarterback they can work with. They've got

773
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: a couple of wide receivers, but Damian Pierce, I know

774
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: they have Marlon Mack. Marlon Mack is automatically the second

775
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 1: option right there. I mean, he just to me was poetic,

776
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: has the speed, the first just enjoyable to watch. If you,

777
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: I don't know how many people here we've watched the

778
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: Houston Texans game in the last year. Go dial up

779
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: his reps and you will see in this game that

780
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: he's the real deal. I'm excited to watch the Texans now. Yeah,

781
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: it was like and it was five and you're right.

782
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: And I know we also say like, don't totally get

783
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: you know, don't overreact to the preseason, but we we

784
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: mentioned how West and I think this is true with

785
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: running backs a you're earning a role and then be

786
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: it's not that hard to see his cutting on a dime.

787
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: He just like stops and arts and then the burst

788
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: is just there and he's not afraid to run people over.

789
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, he's been getting crazy hype

790
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: and he was the first name that Lovey Smith said

791
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: when they asked for a player after they love that

792
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: that impressed you. And he just he looks like one

793
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: of those guys that can see the field, like in

794
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: in two or three of his runs when he made

795
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: his cut, he found exactly the right hole, and he's

796
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: just like, you can't really teach that you're a half

797
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: second ahead of the defense. He had that, And so yeah,

798
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: it was a good weekend for random rookie running backs.

799
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a little bit of a tandem.

800
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: Pierce might be like a straight up starter and a

801
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: totally under what's his average draft position. At this point,

802
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: it's like gonna be it's almost too after listening to Mark,

803
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna go up. And honestly, as people

804
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: are watching these games and going through you're gonna see

805
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: the shifts in the a DP, especially for these because

806
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: he might because it's it's a value position, and when

807
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: you can have a running back in an offense, it's

808
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 1: gonna that people are kind of staying away from. It's

809
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: you're just looking for touches at a certain point, right,

810
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: there's a there's just gonna take him off the field, right.

811
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: Marlon mackasn't looked the same since his achilles. I think

812
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: Burkeet is still on that team, Like, uh, he has

813
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: a chance to have two fifty touches. So to me,

814
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: whatever his a DP is, it's not high enough right

815
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: now because there's a legit chance he has two touches.

816
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: I kind of grew him with Isaiah Pacheco, I don't

817
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: I don't know how to say his life. Is that

818
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: how you say his last name? Uh? So I'm gonna

819
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: just throw him out too. I don't think Pacheco has

820
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: a chance to have as many touches, but where these

821
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: players are used is absolutely instructive. And he had snaps

822
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: with Patrick Mahomes and the first team. It's like, so

823
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: long Ronald Jones. I don't know if Ronald Jones is

824
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: gonna make the team or not. I think there's a

825
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: pretty decent chance he doesn't at this point if everyone

826
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: stays healthy, like finished the game. But the fact Potchecko's

827
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: out there, um and you can see it with him too.

828
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna have as many touches because

829
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: you know, Clyde Edwards Hilaire is there and Jerick McKinnon's

830
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: probably gonna make that team and they'll they'll mix a match.

831
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: But the fact they're already using him with Patrick Mahomes

832
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: and this is the seventh round pick, that tells me

833
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: a lot. And he just like looks cool. He just

834
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: has a cool running style, a little like Fred Taylor Ish.

835
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: I like him, and he's got the number advantage. Does

836
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: have a thing because we associate the number with Tyreek Hill,

837
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: and so you see a person in number ten and

838
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: the Chiefs and that's when he's the returner. So he's

839
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: active on game days and he looks like a baller

840
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: returner too. So maybe he's not your you know nothing,

841
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: but upside if you're if you're choosing right, if we're

842
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: talking fantasy and you're looking at a running back, the

843
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: upsides higher with Pacheco than it is with Rojoe. I

844
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: think that's it. I do feel like you, I say

845
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: at this point, do not draft Ronald Jones. I don't

846
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: think he's gonna make that too. I feel like we

847
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,959
Speaker 1: were two years from three years removed from like overhyping

848
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: Clyde Edwards Hilaria to the Skies, and then it was

849
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: it didn't well, all right, you didn't, but I mean

850
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: it happened like system and it came out of the

851
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 1: blocks game busters. Okay, that's true. That's right. That week

852
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: one game too, where did you notice how like? And

853
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: Nate Tice tweeted about this too, that they were they

854
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: just I formation over and over with Michael Burton lined

855
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: up at full back and then running back, filling the

856
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: blank behind him, pounding away, and it just like they

857
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: looked like a different air offensive line. That's what on

858
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 1: paper they do well. Creed Humphrey Um the other rookie

859
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: last year, I'm blanking Smith, Tray Smith, uh, Orlando Brown,

860
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: Like those guys are maelers and they look good last year.

861
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: They should be able to run in pass well, Claybon,

862
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: what do you got? I don't ding me for it.

863
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: I was watching the game. I believe that the Detroit

864
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: Lions are an exciting and fun just maybe it's the

865
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: hard year, and and I see DeAndre Swift getting getting

866
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: all these carries in the opportunity. I see Jared looking

867
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: pretty good. It's hard, you know, fool me a million times.

868
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm still getting fooled, but I am. I had fun

869
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: watching the Detroit Lions, and I will continue to watch

870
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions. Guilty Well you know what's I mean.

871
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: But offensive line play creates a lot of things for them,

872
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: and like they and and and I think golf. There

873
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: was an incredible rollout played at Amandross St. Brown, which

874
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: was set up because they were pounding away at the

875
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: Falcons with their run game, with their offensive line. I

876
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: just think it's a good environment for a mid tier quarterback.

877
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: And they're they're a team that like they are. They

878
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: were interesting a year ago, but they kind of went

879
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: and when they can remind me of the Eagles a

880
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: little bit, not with their skill position player, but it's

881
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: like build up your lines and dominate from there. And

882
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: like Aidan Hutchinson someone else, we can talk about two,

883
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: but I mean the way that their offense is set

884
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 1: up there they marched right down the field and scored

885
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: a touchdown. And I don't think that's false. I think

886
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: there's something to look at there and say this can

887
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: carry into the regular season. They have a great coaching staff. Yeah,

888
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: I'm curious how they use their guys in the season.

889
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: Some teams like the Eagles and this is and I

890
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: think the Chiefs might be another. We'll see though. Andy

891
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: Reid likes to play starters. Some might use their guys

892
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 1: in week one and then not again because they have

893
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: these joint practices coming up and then they use They

894
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: think that's kind of the game. I know it sounds

895
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 1: like the Eagles, for instance, play their starters a little

896
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: bit this weekend and then they're not gonna play again.

897
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: So each team of coroaches it differently. I'm curious. I'm

898
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: with you though that for a three win team, if

899
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: you just watch the Lions each and every week, they

900
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: had entertaining games. Their offense was fairly entertaining considering and

901
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: they were always like in these games and they were

902
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: they were fun games to watch. What do you what else?

903
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 1: You got? Mark? And we can if you really want

904
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: to get negative, you could like spin this somehow. I

905
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: think there's things I believe in. I believe that this

906
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: thing isn't gonna work, you know, could but mostly it

907
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 1: was twenty more weeks, more weeks to get negative. I'd

908
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: like to stay positive here in August. Um. This is

909
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: not a player that is going to see the field

910
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: the season, I don't think unless utter disaster takes place.

911
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: But I really enjoyed watching Trace McSorley. I talked about

912
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: before neative because I'll just say, I'll just say I'll

913
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: say this, just go watch Trace McSorley, but I will

914
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: spin off to this. I will stop talk about Agan Hunton.

915
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 1: Hu Hutchinson, like to me, was dumb in his first performance.

916
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: There's a one point where he just Jake Matthews, the

917
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: Falcons left tackle, does the thing where he tries to

918
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, get get like taking care of him, like

919
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: Hutchins just like vanishes through him, like throw a portal

920
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 1: into the backfield, takes out the running back. There's another

921
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: play where he's he's burning across the field to chase Mariota,

922
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: who suddenly on a bootleg, is going the other way.

923
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: He just spins around with superhuman speed, runs to the

924
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: other sideline and bumps Meriota out of bounds. And I

925
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: just thought Aidan Hutchinson could not have showed more to

926
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: say he is exactly what they wanted. Somebody such does

927
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: not work. You get you draft that pass rusher first overall,

928
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: second overall, and it does not It does not happen.

929
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: I mean, we love him on hard knocks, but on

930
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: the field he delivered masterclass. I'm so glad you said

931
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: superhuman speed mark because there's so many times and I

932
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: know it's a Detroit and it's the motor city, but

933
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: the motor thing always happens. And it's like Aidan Hudginson

934
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: does a spin move, jumps over a guy and then

935
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: uses incredible speed to get a quarterback, and it's like, oh,

936
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: look at this guy's motor It's no, I don't want

937
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: to say that it's extremely it's not that he's trying

938
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: harder than everybody. He's incredible and it was another again,

939
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: I hate to go back, but it's like this is fun. Yeah,

940
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 1: it's fun. I believe like that they're making good picks.

941
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: I like what the staff has done. Hurt me, go

942
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: ahead and hurt me. I'm sorry for stepping on your

943
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: We can have quick points. You would say, to be honest,

944
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: he's on the Cardinals something, you know what he but

945
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: he is a better backup for their offense because he

946
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: does Kyler Murray type things. And he just threw like

947
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: a couple of moments where he just would disappear into

948
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: a scrum of enemy defenders and then bang circles back

949
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: around and made a play. And he's running all over

950
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: the place like he's just enjoyable. We may not see

951
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: him again. What if they give an entire quarterback room

952
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: of small quarterbacks, Like what if that's that's not the

953
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: worst idea. That is what they've done. You if you

954
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 1: had if you were having another child, I know you

955
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: have some twenty year olds just floating around the area.

956
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: I'm not having another child. If he did, maybe just

957
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: like you, cult is your youngest son. Yes, they're in

958
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: the same room. He feels like a similar vibe. Hey,

959
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: look the Ravens developed quarterbacks. I mean, look at right now.

960
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: Hunley might be my favorite backup in the league. Kind

961
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 1: of came out of nowhere. It looked good in their

962
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: preseason game. Trace McSorley comes from there. It looks like

963
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: he's learned some things. You're right, Get an organization that

964
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: treats people right and gives people opportunities and like lo

965
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: and behold Tyrod. People forget like people slag on Tyrode.

966
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, this is a sixth round pick who

967
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: once made a Pro Bowl and his like cast multiple

968
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: good long term contracts. He's had an incredible career. Tyrod Taylor,

969
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: I don't know why I just got on that front.

970
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, um a take that I believe in. Okay, okay,

971
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: And you have to be careful with the Titans fans

972
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: these days, and we don't have Graver here. But I

973
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: just think it's August fifteen, and I think this is

974
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: a true statement. And if you had said this statement

975
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: in June, he would have been like, what what are

976
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: you talking about? Kyle Phillips their rookie receiver, slot receiver

977
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: at this moment, I believe has a more secure Week

978
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: one role than Traylon Burks, which is which is odd

979
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: you you wouldn't have expected that. Now, depending on who

980
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: you listen to. I don't want to get into the

981
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: Traylon Burks is having a good camp or not um discussion.

982
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: It's like some people say he's looked find some people

983
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: say he doesn't. The reality is he he was playing

984
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: with the backups deep into the fourth quarter and that's unusual.

985
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: He was the only one of the first and second

986
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: round picks at receiver to be doing that, and that

987
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: that might just be what Mike Vrabel wants to do.

988
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: He just wants to get him out there. And it

989
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 1: doesn't say much about tray Lion Burks. And it's also

990
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: a totally normal part of Brooks's development, But just in

991
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: terms of where he was slotted, he was sort of

992
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 1: slotted six, seventh receiver and he's out there. Kyle Phillips,

993
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: also a rookie, UH, played three snaps or six snaps

994
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: something like that, had as many targets, by the way,

995
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: as Burke's in that game each had one. It looks

996
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: like by all the reporting that Phillips is going to

997
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: have a Week one role as kind of that smaller

998
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: slot guy. Uh, Phillips rather is going to have that

999
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: role Week one slot guy, whereas Burks is battling and

1000
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: right now, like Robert Woods, Nick Westbrook Aquina sat out

1001
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: that game kind of looked like the starters, and at

1002
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: at the very least, Burke's is sort of splitting reps

1003
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: and battling with Westbrook Aquina and might not come out

1004
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: of the gates getting that full complement of snaps. I

1005
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: think that's a fair interpretation of what we're seeing so far,

1006
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: and it doesn't mean that by week five, because this

1007
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: is how it happens with rookies often that Burke's isn't

1008
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 1: getting all those snaps. I think that's what the Titans

1009
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: are hoping, and I think that's why they're playing him

1010
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: this much in the preseason, because they're trying to build

1011
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: them to that point. But the reason he's playing all

1012
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: those snaps, I believe is because they think that he

1013
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: needs him. Can I have a take off your take?

1014
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: I think because of the presence of Grave Digger and

1015
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: I understand what happened with that report around Trailon Burke's,

1016
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: you're almost being to your acquesty into them too much,

1017
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: because I think you're exactly right. If they're in love

1018
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: with him, if they prize him, if he's had a

1019
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: great camp, if all things are going wonderfully, he's not playing,

1020
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: he's not finishing the game. That's highly unusual usage of

1021
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: a first round pick. It's all we need to see

1022
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: someone somehow, Nathan jan Kie john Kie at PFF, I

1023
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: probably pusher that he somehow had that stats that d J.

1024
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: Moore was the only other first round pick to play

1025
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: into the fourth quarter of his first I think the

1026
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: Titans are trying to send a message to hands like

1027
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: it's what's good company. It's a good company. It's tough

1028
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 1: to take too much away from because obviously the reason

1029
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: that we're talking about it is because variable in company

1030
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: or approaching it in in this certain way. But because

1031
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: Traylon is not beating out in w I at this point,

1032
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: it might not be exceedingly negative for Traylon. Maybe it's

1033
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: just Nick Westbrook Kine is having a solid step into

1034
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: the fold. He was good in parts. He had a

1035
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: big role on a team that you know, I had

1036
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: the one seed. It's not like Westbrook a Keene is

1037
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: coming out of nowhere. But he was playing behind like

1038
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: Racey McMath in these games who he had a couple

1039
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: of big plays in that game. That's a little more concerning.

1040
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: But he might be the four. Kyle Phillips was actually

1041
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: the guy I wanted to put out there because I

1042
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: had no idea until I was like researching for this column,

1043
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: which everyone should check out on NFL dot com. It's

1044
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: fifty nine takeaways from preseason week. Well. Be careful though,

1045
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: because last time one got wiped off the board due

1046
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: to news breaking. So that's why I think they're locked in.

1047
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: It was fifty one last week. I've stepped it up.

1048
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: It's fifty nine. It's everything in one place. The public

1049
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: has a Pavlovian reaction to seeing Greg Rosenthal and then

1050
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: on number like whatever the number is, it's like, oh, this,

1051
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: this is it. I got I got a key in,

1052
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: so whether you know where it comes from. I m

1053
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: used to be the editor of the fantasy magazine at

1054
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: Road to World, which Beckett would produce. But it was

1055
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: the Road to World fantasy magazine presented by Beckett, and

1056
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: they told me go with the weird numbers. Don't go

1057
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: fifty on the front for make it like sixty seven.

1058
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: They said it sells better at the back in the

1059
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: And that's not really why I'm doing that. I just

1060
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: am writing as many things as I think are interested

1061
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: and then stopping. But that's that was what their take

1062
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: was back in the day. Claibn, what do you got?

1063
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: I Okay, So coming into the season, I know I've

1064
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: been negative about backup quarterbacks at times, um and it's

1065
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: not to be negative about the starting quarterback for the

1066
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 1: Washington Commanders right now. But Sam how it looked really good.

1067
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: Sam how it looked good. And it's not this is

1068
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: not a Carson So I support you. Uh, this is

1069
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: not noise that you have to tune out. You had

1070
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: an m v P caliber campaign a few years ago,

1071
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: You've you've got a Super Bowl ring. Um. Yeah, But

1072
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: Sam Howell looked really good for the for the Washington Commanders,

1073
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 1: and he made plays inside and outside of the pocket.

1074
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: He operated the offense well. I think Sam how could

1075
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: get some run here, and that's a team that could

1076
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 1: vive for the first overall pick. I mean, or they

1077
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: just there's not a lot of spice around the Commanders

1078
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: right now. And and if Carson struggles and they get

1079
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: into a position where they're out of the race, he

1080
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: could just start the last five or six games of

1081
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: the year and it could be the third decided to

1082
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: really go ahead and start to take command. And he

1083
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: did take command in that game was pretty good. He

1084
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: also numbers taking command. Maybe didn't he look just like

1085
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. And I'm not trying to be negative. It's like, listen,

1086
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: he I don't know what they're asking to do in

1087
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: that game, but like it was fine numbers, but Carson

1088
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:48,959
Speaker 1: Wentz but he did not. He did not like Carson

1089
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: Wentz just sort of looked like win to me, not

1090
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: broken down that I am curious to watch, how though,

1091
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to if you know some lower

1092
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: tier rookies, if you guys are just curious out there.

1093
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: Matt Corral really struggled. The Panthers had the most bizarre

1094
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: game winning drive ever that was all penalties, but I

1095
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: think he was one for nine. And how kind of

1096
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 1: was the other guy like Corral that fell further? I

1097
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: guess Malik Willis to let's throw him in there, who

1098
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: I would say had some really flashy plays and then

1099
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: also held the ball a lot and and upset Mike

1100
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: Rabel for that, but also showed some really fun good plays.

1101
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: Um and I guess you're saying how who I haven't

1102
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: gotten a chance to watch. It was a little spicy, interesting.

1103
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: I like it. This is a guy who who a

1104
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, Yeah, people saw their arm talent.

1105
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: This guy could go number one overall and it didn't

1106
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: work out that way. But now he's got another opportunity. Well,

1107
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: he's another guy to a lesser degree than pick It

1108
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: and and I would even throw Corral in this mix

1109
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: if he had a better preseason, but he's off to

1110
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: a really bad start um, which is, if how does

1111
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 1: have three good weeks, we're gonna see him in December.

1112
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: And and if Corral has three good weeks, which it

1113
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: looks like he's not going to have now, he won't

1114
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: then if he has three weeks like this where he struggles,

1115
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: we won't see him. Yeah. I think for Corral though,

1116
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: there's there's a huge hurdle in a quarterback battle going

1117
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: on in front of you, and those guys occupying so

1118
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: many reps that probably he's he's he's playing with it

1119
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: with his crappy hand for what it's worth. You know,

1120
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: Baker and Donald both didn't play that long and both

1121
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: looked fine. There wasn't any huge take aways while we're

1122
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: on Washington, just quickly. I did have a takeaway from

1123
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: that game, which was, I I do sense the backfield

1124
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: is going to be a committee there. Uh So. I

1125
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: I love Antonio Gibson as a player, so I wouldn't

1126
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: be fading him. But I just have a feeling that

1127
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: Brian Robinson is Ron Rivera's type of running back. Runs aggressively,

1128
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: He's like a downhill runner. They also have j D

1129
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: McKissick there, uh and Gibson fumbled in that game, and

1130
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: it just feels like they're all gonna get run. Bryan

1131
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 1: Robinson is gonna get run because that's Ron Rivera's dude.

1132
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: And Ron Rivera's trying to bring it back to smash

1133
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: and dash. Danen D'Angelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart maybe the best

1134
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: backfield dual backfield in my history of covering the NFL.

1135
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: The one I would put in front of him would

1136
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: be uh, Fred Taylor and mj D. But that would

1137
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: might be my one to punch. What do you think?

1138
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,919
Speaker 1: Gibson had a terrible fumble in that game too, which

1139
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 1: I know Ron Rivera would not like get six fumbles

1140
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: last year to spend a lingering issue. I I love

1141
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera trying to go back and do what worked

1142
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: in like two thousand and four. I mean that's very

1143
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera. Well, to be fair, those might be the too.

1144
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: You know, they have pretty good skill talent, they have

1145
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: good running backs, they have pretty good receivers. If John

1146
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: they did last year to right, like, I don't mind that.

1147
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 1: I like Antonio Gibson but I do think it's effective

1148
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: to use all your good running backs. Why not? All right,

1149
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: let's go around one more time, speed round and say goodbye.

1150
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: Love Romeo Dubbs. I know Christian Wilkinson out of the

1151
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: lineup right now, and it's it's like Romeo Dobbs. Um.

1152
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: I thought he looked fantastic against the Niners. And you

1153
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: know Jordan's love Converstlee. I I just afew Jordan's love

1154
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: as a backup forever. I do not see it with him,

1155
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: and he had he had there were three interceptions. Two

1156
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: of them were not on him, but one of them was.

1157
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: But I just I see Jordan's love with constant overthrows.

1158
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 1: I'm just not I just don't find it with him.

1159
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch him closely the next couple of weeks too.

1160
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: I want to see more. He's always intriguing to me.

1161
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: He the thing I think about it, And this was

1162
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: this game. In a nutshell, he led PFF last year

1163
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: in um big time throws per snap, and granted it

1164
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 1: was a limited sample size in the prese, I believe

1165
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: in the preseason and the regular season, and he led

1166
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: PF in turnover where the plays for snap so it's

1167
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: like you're getting it all with Jordan's love. Yeah, I

1168
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: see that, I think, but at least at least there's

1169
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 1: the high side. He had had one great touchdown throwing

1170
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: this too, so I'm not what I mean both there,

1171
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: but like there's some guys you never see the high side,

1172
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: and they get taken in the first round, you know.

1173
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: And so he does not guess the first round pick

1174
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: for me. But Romeo Dabs though, I mean, and Aaron

1175
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: Rodgers been talking about him all camp, and I think

1176
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 1: he's got a media playing time. It's impossible to keep

1177
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: him off the field. And suddenly that why receiver room

1178
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: looks a little bit better than we were, you know,

1179
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: panicking over a couple of months ago. Yeah, we saw

1180
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: him in the slot. We saw him out wide, actually crowded.

1181
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, like if someone strange, I don't think

1182
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: anyone weird is gonna get cut. But they actually have

1183
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: five or six guys, like if Dobbs is starting, and

1184
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: I did learn over the last week it's Dobbs, not Dubbs.

1185
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: And you guys have been saying it right. Apparently I

1186
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: was saying it wrong. It's too bad. Romeo Dubbs, Yes,

1187
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: it's like an all time receiver name. I'd be saving

1188
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: Romeo Dubs for the next his name is Romeo. I

1189
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: mean that's great too. He's still like an eight point

1190
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: five out of ten, but Romeo Dubbs is an all timer.

1191
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: Well he could change it. All these players are changing

1192
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 1: their their names left and right. But but at this point, yeah,

1193
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: he's going to have a week run role, maybe as

1194
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: a starter. What you know, Watkins is the guy who

1195
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: was like, are we sure Watkins and Cobb are going

1196
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: to make the team? I guess I don't know. You

1197
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: have to think right, because then Mario Rodgers, they're not

1198
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: gonna trust Smari Rodgers like as their slack eyed. Dubbs

1199
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: has been playing more on the outside, but he could

1200
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: play a little inside too. Just saying, uh, my last

1201
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: one quickly and we'll give you one more claibon is

1202
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: um as a cogniscente. Um. We just we assumed too

1203
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: much out of these rookies in May. Now some of

1204
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: these late round guys are stepping up quick that you

1205
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't have expected. We talked about the running backs talk

1206
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: to us, and then there's other guys people were just

1207
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: slotting in. Um Louis Scene to my the Minnesota backfield

1208
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: right away they were um slotting and elam two into Like, Okay,

1209
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: now we've added these first two UH picks and they're

1210
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: gonna start for for the Vikings. Andrew Booth is who

1211
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of and Louis Scene rather and both of

1212
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: them right now are behind guys that have been there,

1213
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: Cam buying them at free safety and Cameron Danceler Uh

1214
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: at cornerback. Both of those guys who've been around kind

1215
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: of been up, you know, the answer has been up

1216
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: and down. Now he's had a good camp and it

1217
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: just right now those two guys look like their backups

1218
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: going into the here again like Burke's that's fine, but

1219
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: it's like we slot these guys in. Oh, Trevor Penning,

1220
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: first round pick, gonna slot him in as the rookies

1221
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: starting left haut guy, he's strug in and it looks

1222
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: to me like he's probably not gonna start Week one.

1223
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: They're gonna start a veteran by the name of James Hurst.

1224
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: And it's just like you just gotta see, it's really

1225
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: hard to know who's gonna be good right away who's not.

1226
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: And and that's fine, Like the Vikings have a deep secondary.

1227
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: I think these two guys probably would be starting on

1228
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: other teams. They have a nice secondary. It's like a

1229
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: good problem to have. But their first two picks are

1230
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: probably coming off the bench. To me, is interesting. You're

1231
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: not closing the book on somebody's career. No, No, they're

1232
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: gonna and they'll probably even be playing like they're gonna.

1233
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: They're just not starting right away. And it's one of

1234
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: those things that when I did the projected starters back

1235
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: in April, and everyone's making their what a great Okay,

1236
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: they're building secondary first, Like, Okay, they're not starting right away.

1237
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: That's fine. That's it. That's my last one. I believe.

1238
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: I believe in Darnell Mooney. Um. I think is gonna

1239
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: get a ton of targets. I think they could be

1240
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: a fun team to watch seeing the way that they're

1241
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: handling the Roquan situation. I don't necessarily know how great

1242
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,919
Speaker 1: the season is going to go, but I think Justin

1243
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,479
Speaker 1: Fields and Darnell Mooney are healthy're gonna put up huge numbers.

1244
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: In My concern is based off of what we saw

1245
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: at least in this one game, and I know not

1246
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: everyone's on the field, but their offensive line is the disaster.

1247
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,439
Speaker 1: I mean Chiefs had five sacks and trade or Justin

1248
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: Fields was running for his life all over the place,

1249
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: right they karl Offtis looks like he's going to canon

1250
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: according to this game against the Bear, right the the Bears.

1251
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: Like the the upside was Justin Fields made a bunch

1252
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: of really good plays. Uh, the downside was like every

1253
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: play he had to make was incredibly low percentage, like

1254
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: including one of the catches um By who is it

1255
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: taj A Sharp Who's like their number two receiver right now?

1256
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: It's just there's a lot going on. But I'm with

1257
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: you on Darnel Mooney. Two lane grad Bears are really

1258
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: two lane central right now with with Moon Mooney and

1259
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: kicker Cairo Santas. I guess that's good getting done. Yeah,

1260
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: I think it's great. Uh you know what's not great?

1261
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: Sean Kelly didn't get a lot of pop on this episode.

1262
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: But like I said, we might have our enthusiasm. I

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Speaker 1: would just like to say the enthusiasm was absolutely off

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Speaker 1: the charge once we talk football that I'll get us going.

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Speaker 1: When we have to talk to each other, it should

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Speaker 1: be because Sean's I just noticed you have on the

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Speaker 1: Rob low like NFL hat. That's the one, and he's

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Speaker 1: double here. I'm a company man. He's double lettering with

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Speaker 1: the around the NFL T shirt. Not available in story,

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Speaker 1: exclusive to us, not available anywhere. All right, that was fun.

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Speaker 1: Dan'll be back on Wednesday. We've got a big week

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Speaker 1: of shows planned. Check out Colleen and Dan. They'll have

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Speaker 1: the Hard Knecks recap on Tuesday night. We're giving you

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Speaker 1: guys lots of content and at this time of year,

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Speaker 1: and you, guys, I hope you love it eating it up. Um,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Clay, thank you for pleasure. Um. And that's it.

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Speaker 1: Hit the music, Sean, hit the thing. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: guess in theory, I could just assume you would hit it,

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Speaker 1: and that would be like more professional about to hit it.

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Speaker 1: You know, at some point it's like hit it already,

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Speaker 1: hit it already, and then hit the call. Right you

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Speaker 1: guys ready? Yeah, Paul, Yeah, where's the energy yet? I

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Speaker 1: don't respond to that? Yeah, I don't. I don't. That's

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Speaker 1: not how good head coach needs to understand house players players.

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Speaker 1: That's all right. Well we'll talk privately, okay, you ready,

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Speaker 1: we'll not talk privately. I want that little segment um

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Speaker 1: as the Easter Egg. I'm not kidding that if you

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Speaker 1: were recording that little fifties we have, it is happy, good,

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Speaker 1: all right now. I wanted to cut it before all that, though,