WEBVTT - Sleep, Track, Don’t Multitask: How To Succeed In Online Poker 0:00:15.604 --> 0:00:16.044 Pushkin. 0:00:25.884 --> 0:00:29.204 Welcome back to Risky Business, a show about making better decisions. 0:00:29.284 --> 0:00:30.844 I'm Maria Kanakova. 0:00:30.524 --> 0:00:33.764 And I'm Nate Silver. What's on tap today? Maria? Maybe 0:00:33.764 --> 0:00:38.324 a little maybe little pokey pokey poke Sorry, please hit 0:00:38.364 --> 0:00:38.724 it up? 0:00:39.644 --> 0:00:42.284 No, no, do not, do not. 0:00:43.524 --> 0:00:45.324 We haven't talked about poker in a while. This is 0:00:45.364 --> 0:00:48.724 a Saturday episode. It's supposed to be more fun, so 0:00:48.724 --> 0:00:50.284 we're gonna talk a little bit about poker and more 0:00:50.324 --> 0:00:54.284 particularly online poker versus live poker. I think this might 0:00:54.324 --> 0:00:57.164 reveal more than you think about how we process information, 0:00:57.324 --> 0:01:00.044 how our brains work. And Maria is a Sika who 0:01:00.044 --> 0:01:01.964 still likes online poker. I do not. You'll see that 0:01:02.004 --> 0:01:02.884 difference come out too. 0:01:03.164 --> 0:01:06.204 Yeah. I'm excited to get started. Nate. 0:01:06.284 --> 0:01:18.364 Let's uh, let's get into it. This past weekend was 0:01:18.724 --> 0:01:23.444 the start of the online Bracelet series, which the World 0:01:23.444 --> 0:01:26.404 Series of Poker has been doing for a few years now, 0:01:26.804 --> 0:01:32.164 basically starting during COVID when bracelets were moved online when 0:01:32.164 --> 0:01:36.644 there was no World Series of Poker live during the summer, 0:01:37.404 --> 0:01:40.884 and it's become more and more of a thing where 0:01:41.204 --> 0:01:45.324 these highly competitive events with you know, coveded WSOP bracelets 0:01:45.644 --> 0:01:48.324 have moved to the Internet, and there's a lot of 0:01:48.364 --> 0:01:50.484 we're not going to talk about kind of is this 0:01:50.804 --> 0:01:53.284 a good thing? Is this a bad thing? We'll leave 0:01:53.324 --> 0:01:57.804 that question alone and instead we'll talk about just in 0:01:57.924 --> 0:02:01.524 general thoughts about playing online and playing live. 0:02:01.884 --> 0:02:04.524 Maria, you seem to like online poker more than I. 0:02:04.484 --> 0:02:09.404 Do, well, Nate, So you know, we do some disclosure 0:02:09.604 --> 0:02:12.284 on the show, and as listeners of the show note, 0:02:12.564 --> 0:02:15.004 I am an ambassador for Poker Stars. I'm a Poker 0:02:15.004 --> 0:02:18.524 Stars team. Pro poker Stars is an online poker company, 0:02:18.804 --> 0:02:21.724 So I have had to get used to playing online, 0:02:21.924 --> 0:02:24.804 which is not my preferred method of playing. By the way, 0:02:25.044 --> 0:02:29.684 I far far prefer playing live to playing online. But 0:02:30.644 --> 0:02:33.724 I learned to play poker playing online because the beauty 0:02:33.724 --> 0:02:37.564 of online poker is the sheer quantity of hands that 0:02:37.604 --> 0:02:40.684 you can get in and so the experience that you 0:02:40.804 --> 0:02:47.084 can acquire is much faster. So I used to, you know, 0:02:47.124 --> 0:02:49.244 when I just started playing for the Biggest Bluff, I 0:02:49.244 --> 0:02:52.084 would reverse commute to New Jersey multiple days a week 0:02:52.124 --> 0:02:57.164 to play online because in cafes I would play. 0:02:56.884 --> 0:02:59.164 Noan on McDonald's we talked in lat episode about how 0:02:59.204 --> 0:03:00.924 you've never fucking been to McDonald's. 0:03:01.044 --> 0:03:01.284 Yeah. 0:03:01.324 --> 0:03:05.524 So no, not not out of McDonald's. But I have 0:03:06.804 --> 0:03:10.524 definitely explored the world of online cafes that are open 0:03:10.644 --> 0:03:13.244 late in Hoboken and Jersey City. 0:03:13.564 --> 0:03:14.684 Do they know what you were doing? 0:03:15.884 --> 0:03:16.204 Yes? 0:03:16.484 --> 0:03:18.284 Yes, they knew what I was doing because I had 0:03:18.324 --> 0:03:20.724 my laptop out and I was playing online. There was 0:03:20.764 --> 0:03:23.924 one cafe that I started going to. The owner loved 0:03:23.964 --> 0:03:26.244 online poker and at some point was like, can I 0:03:26.284 --> 0:03:28.364 play a few hands? When I was playing a tournament 0:03:28.404 --> 0:03:30.644 and I was like, uh, no, you're not allowed to 0:03:30.764 --> 0:03:32.764 do that, but he was. 0:03:33.084 --> 0:03:34.204 He was very excited. 0:03:34.404 --> 0:03:36.324 Was it that you were not allowed that you thought 0:03:36.324 --> 0:03:36.924 he was a fish? 0:03:37.564 --> 0:03:39.524 Well, you're not allowed to have someone else play for 0:03:39.564 --> 0:03:41.004 you on your account. 0:03:41.204 --> 0:03:45.084 But if like phil Ivy, is he from New Jersey, Yes, 0:03:45.084 --> 0:03:48.044 if phil Ivy on the cafe, would you let him play? 0:03:48.524 --> 0:03:49.764 No? I would not. 0:03:50.284 --> 0:03:51.644 My next book is about cheating. 0:03:51.844 --> 0:03:53.324 What if phil Ivy would kick you out of his 0:03:53.364 --> 0:03:56.004 cafe unless you unless you unless you let him play? 0:03:56.084 --> 0:03:57.764 I would say, so it's a the best player in 0:03:57.764 --> 0:04:01.364 the world and be you can no longer use a cafe. 0:04:01.444 --> 0:04:03.684 I mean, I feel like, doesn't that outweigh the No. 0:04:03.604 --> 0:04:06.004 I would say, I would say, Phil, I cannot believe 0:04:06.084 --> 0:04:08.804 you do not value your reputation because you know, I'm 0:04:08.804 --> 0:04:11.244 a journalist and I'm going to write about this in 0:04:11.284 --> 0:04:15.444 my book about cheating. How phil Ivy basically said that 0:04:15.524 --> 0:04:18.124 he wanted me to cheat And this is not a 0:04:18.164 --> 0:04:19.124 good look for you, Phil. 0:04:19.444 --> 0:04:21.124 So what you're saying is that when you won your 0:04:21.164 --> 0:04:24.524 online bracelet, phil Ivy was ghosting for you, right, but 0:04:24.604 --> 0:04:27.244 you agreed not to disclose that. 0:04:29.484 --> 0:04:36.244 In exactly exactly so, Nate, I actually think that this 0:04:36.404 --> 0:04:40.804 is probably one of the most djened things that you 0:04:40.844 --> 0:04:41.964 will hear me do. 0:04:42.164 --> 0:04:42.364 Nate. 0:04:43.404 --> 0:04:46.884 Last weekend, so I was in Vermont for a long 0:04:46.924 --> 0:04:51.764 weekend Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Sunday. After driving back from 0:04:51.884 --> 0:04:54.884 Vermont and you know, listeners of the show have heard 0:04:54.884 --> 0:04:59.884 my wasp story. After all of this happened, I went 0:04:59.924 --> 0:05:02.644 back to Brooklyn, you know, dropped all my stuff off, 0:05:03.004 --> 0:05:06.004 and then took the Path train to New Jersey, where 0:05:06.044 --> 0:05:09.604 I had booked a hotel room for Sunday night to 0:05:09.924 --> 0:05:15.284 hop into the first two events of the World Series 0:05:15.324 --> 0:05:19.644 of Poker Online Bracelet series. So went, for the sole 0:05:19.724 --> 0:05:23.844 reason you know, of playing these events, did that, and 0:05:23.884 --> 0:05:27.084 then you know, went to work in the morning from 0:05:27.364 --> 0:05:31.324 a nice hotel, HIGHTT Regency, right on the water in 0:05:31.404 --> 0:05:36.804 Jersey City. Nice enough, great great views, Highly recommend for 0:05:36.844 --> 0:05:41.324 online poker, stable internet connection, no no issues with geolocation, 0:05:41.684 --> 0:05:43.964 which can be problematic when you're right on the water, 0:05:44.324 --> 0:05:49.164 as I found out, because sometimes what ends up happening 0:05:49.484 --> 0:05:52.804 is they pick up Wi Fi from New York and 0:05:53.284 --> 0:05:56.284 suddenly we'll kick you off. So High Regency did not 0:05:56.364 --> 0:05:59.124 have any of those issues. But I can't tell you 0:05:59.204 --> 0:06:01.644 much about the hotel because I checked in, you know, 0:06:01.764 --> 0:06:06.804 went to my room, fired up the tournaments, went to sleep, and. 0:06:06.924 --> 0:06:09.244 Woke up and left, and that that was. 0:06:10.084 --> 0:06:14.324 But you know, it actually made me think about so 0:06:14.404 --> 0:06:18.204 many differences right between playing live and playing online, and 0:06:18.364 --> 0:06:24.484 especially with series like this when it starts so incredibly late. 0:06:24.884 --> 0:06:28.964 So for people who aren't as d Jenny, these events 0:06:29.004 --> 0:06:34.324 start at three thirty and four thirty Vegas time Pacific time, 0:06:34.484 --> 0:06:38.684 which means six thirty and seven thirty pm East Coast time. 0:06:39.364 --> 0:06:43.004 So now imagine if you actually go deep in the event. 0:06:43.284 --> 0:06:45.724 So when I won my World a series of poker 0:06:45.804 --> 0:06:50.084 online bracelet, I was playing in Vegas and we finished 0:06:50.084 --> 0:06:53.964 the final table. I want at like three thirty am, 0:06:54.044 --> 0:06:57.644 which would have been six thirty am East Coast time. 0:06:58.204 --> 0:07:01.204 So if you think about that, it's insane, right, that's 0:07:01.244 --> 0:07:05.004 actually a crazy, crazy time to start a tournament, and 0:07:05.204 --> 0:07:10.004 it probably freezes out a lot of people who would 0:07:10.084 --> 0:07:13.484 have otherwise played. Like, for instance, this past Sunday, I 0:07:13.524 --> 0:07:15.044 was like, you know what, I don't know if I'm 0:07:15.044 --> 0:07:18.844 going to do that again because it's exhausting to do that. 0:07:18.964 --> 0:07:21.484 So I didn't cash one of the events. I cashed 0:07:21.524 --> 0:07:26.124 the other one, so ended up, you know, busting at 0:07:26.164 --> 0:07:27.164 like two am. 0:07:27.644 --> 0:07:29.364 And I was like, was it really worth. 0:07:29.124 --> 0:07:33.564 It for just you know, a few grand to do 0:07:33.644 --> 0:07:42.644 something like that? And you answered it. But so there 0:07:42.684 --> 0:07:45.164 are a lot of different considerations when you're playing online 0:07:45.164 --> 0:07:47.724 that you don't have to deal with when you're playing live. 0:07:48.164 --> 0:07:51.644 We talked back when it was the summer and we 0:07:51.644 --> 0:07:54.764 were playing the live World Series of Poker events. We 0:07:54.844 --> 0:07:58.564 talked about using you know, this new software that showed 0:07:58.564 --> 0:08:00.884 who was going to be at your table and how 0:08:00.924 --> 0:08:03.924 you would how it gave you extra information right, and 0:08:03.964 --> 0:08:06.724 how you could then rate the players rank them. Nate, 0:08:06.764 --> 0:08:09.724 you had this very complicated spreadsheet which I love, and 0:08:09.764 --> 0:08:15.044 you actually gave the players. Yeah, you had a rating scale, 0:08:15.244 --> 0:08:17.484 so you had all this extra stuff that you normally 0:08:17.484 --> 0:08:22.924 wouldn't have. But online there are if there are several issues. 0:08:23.444 --> 0:08:28.004 One is people don't use their real names, right, So 0:08:28.604 --> 0:08:32.764 there are screen names that people use. So you see this, 0:08:33.004 --> 0:08:35.324 you know, you see the people at your table, but 0:08:35.644 --> 0:08:39.204 you may or may not know who those people are. 0:08:40.364 --> 0:08:45.204 People do track screen names, and there are communities of 0:08:45.924 --> 0:08:49.964 poker players that study together that have these big spreadsheets 0:08:50.004 --> 0:08:53.804 of people's online screen names and say, oh, this is 0:08:53.844 --> 0:08:56.324 this person, this is this person. So then Nate, they 0:08:56.324 --> 0:08:58.244 can do what you did during the World series because 0:08:58.244 --> 0:09:00.604 they have the real name to go along with the 0:09:00.644 --> 0:09:03.724 screen name. But if you're someone who's not in that community, 0:09:03.764 --> 0:09:06.004 you might have no way of knowing, right, So you're 0:09:06.084 --> 0:09:11.204 actually missing that whole big piece of information. And you 0:09:11.324 --> 0:09:14.364 used to play online poker for a living. We never 0:09:14.404 --> 0:09:17.884 really talked about your experience of doing that and how 0:09:17.924 --> 0:09:21.684 you thought about kind of those you know, informational edges, 0:09:21.724 --> 0:09:28.364 informational asymmetries, and how the value of data, how it 0:09:28.444 --> 0:09:31.884 shifts between live and online. Because obviously, like live, one 0:09:31.924 --> 0:09:34.404 of my big edges is the fact that I'm a psychologist, 0:09:34.764 --> 0:09:36.684 Like there's and there's this wealth of data. I don't 0:09:36.724 --> 0:09:40.084 have any of that online, but I'd love to hear 0:09:40.124 --> 0:09:42.484 about your experience and kind of that contrast. 0:09:43.564 --> 0:09:48.004 So when I played online, I played limit hold them primarily. 0:09:50.204 --> 0:09:52.884 I did quite well for your period of a few years, 0:09:53.324 --> 0:09:59.244 which I attribute not necessarily to deep study. But like, look, 0:09:59.244 --> 0:10:03.204 poker and number one poker is a game where all 0:10:03.244 --> 0:10:05.084 that matters for you win rate is how was your 0:10:05.124 --> 0:10:08.844 strength relative to the players you're playing against. Right, I 0:10:08.884 --> 0:10:11.524 can walk in the games where I'm the best player 0:10:11.564 --> 0:10:12.804 at the tail by far. I can walk in a 0:10:12.804 --> 0:10:14.804 game for I'm the worst player at the table by far. 0:10:14.884 --> 0:10:17.444 I like think I'm closer to the best than the worst. Right, 0:10:17.804 --> 0:10:19.604 the average team I'm sitting in, I think on plus ev. 0:10:19.884 --> 0:10:23.684 But like that's what really matters. So in the poker 0:10:23.724 --> 0:10:27.364 boom years, the moneymaker boom, the online poker boom, the 0:10:27.404 --> 0:10:31.844 average person was quite bad. And then and then things 0:10:31.924 --> 0:10:35.204 got tougher with party poker and other sites closed to Americans. 0:10:35.204 --> 0:10:39.724 After the UIGEA passed in two thousand and six, a 0:10:39.764 --> 0:10:42.804 lot of the better players, excuse me, a lot of 0:10:42.804 --> 0:10:45.404 the worst players dried up and left the game. So, yeah, 0:10:45.564 --> 0:10:48.684 my last six months were losing months after having felt 0:10:48.724 --> 0:10:51.204 like it was an ATM for some period of time. However, 0:10:51.244 --> 0:10:55.204 even then I was playing in you know, almost the 0:10:55.284 --> 0:10:57.804 higher stakes available at that time, as far as like 0:10:58.004 --> 0:11:00.924 as high as like one hundred two hundred dollar blinds, 0:11:00.924 --> 0:11:03.804 which is a pretty big game for two thousand and five. Yeah, 0:11:04.244 --> 0:11:06.004 not as big as an no limic game with those stakes, 0:11:06.004 --> 0:11:08.004 but like it was a surreal game. I would impress 0:11:08.044 --> 0:11:10.964 people by like eyeing in. I would like drop my 0:11:10.964 --> 0:11:14.204 whole role down and put buying for sixty thousand dollars 0:11:14.244 --> 0:11:16.284 just to look cool, because it's a fucking door and 0:11:16.364 --> 0:11:19.124 it was in my twenties, right, and like, but even 0:11:19.164 --> 0:11:26.324 then you had maybe a few dozen regulars, right, and 0:11:26.364 --> 0:11:29.764 so like you did have some wreaths, right. I think 0:11:29.804 --> 0:11:32.724 I like to get in like people's headspace with them 0:11:32.924 --> 0:11:34.644 a little bit. What a lot of people do when 0:11:34.644 --> 0:11:38.124 they play online is they will multi table, meaning playing 0:11:38.204 --> 0:11:39.844 more than one game at once. And I would do that. 0:11:40.164 --> 0:11:43.124 I would do that, but I would play three or 0:11:43.164 --> 0:11:47.244 four tables as opposed to like some people literally play 0:11:47.764 --> 0:11:50.764 eight or sixteen or twenty right where they're just playing 0:11:51.164 --> 0:11:54.644 totally paint by numbers poker almost always playing like way 0:11:54.644 --> 0:11:56.684 too tight, and I'd try to, like I try to 0:11:56.764 --> 0:11:59.324 like be a little more focused on individual decisions. But like, 0:11:59.804 --> 0:12:01.684 but you know, but like that's not the environment right now. 0:12:01.684 --> 0:12:06.924 I mean, back then there was not RTA. RTA is 0:12:06.964 --> 0:12:12.124 real time assistance where there are now solvers, and it's illegal, 0:12:12.244 --> 0:12:16.364 it's illegal. And maybe I do get the props sometimes 0:12:16.604 --> 0:12:19.044 I do play occasionally less and less and less and less, 0:12:19.884 --> 0:12:21.844 but like I'll get the props sometimes saying prove you're 0:12:21.844 --> 0:12:24.404 a human and not a computer. Maybe I maybe that's 0:12:24.404 --> 0:12:27.324 a sign that I'm playing too mechanically or playing like 0:12:27.364 --> 0:12:27.764 a solver. 0:12:28.124 --> 0:12:30.604 Hey, Nate, I've never I've never gotten that prompt. 0:12:30.644 --> 0:12:32.444 What does that say about my. 0:12:33.524 --> 0:12:37.524 I don't know, But now it feels weird to say, 0:12:37.564 --> 0:12:40.364 as like kind of a a math guy, right, you know, 0:12:40.644 --> 0:12:45.884 I feel like my relative strengths in poker are actually 0:12:45.964 --> 0:12:48.124 kind of like the soft skills, at least relative to 0:12:48.164 --> 0:12:51.724 that like elite player population, right, Like, I think I 0:12:51.724 --> 0:12:55.244 have a pretty good attitude about money. I think I 0:12:55.284 --> 0:12:57.084 definitely am not always playing my a game. I don't 0:12:57.084 --> 0:12:59.644 think I have super tilt problems. You know, I can 0:12:59.644 --> 0:13:01.484 pick up not against Maybe you should forget about the 0:13:01.524 --> 0:13:03.964 best pros, but against like amateurs, I can read players 0:13:04.644 --> 0:13:07.084 pretty well, I can I can estimate pretty well and 0:13:07.884 --> 0:13:11.484 piece some shit together right, and be more composed and like, 0:13:11.884 --> 0:13:16.004 you know, online, I think those advantages are lesser number one. 0:13:16.044 --> 0:13:19.524 And also, like I just find like, you know, when 0:13:19.524 --> 0:13:26.364 I play poker live, there's an act of intentionality to it. Right, 0:13:26.364 --> 0:13:30.124 It's like I decided today too, because there's no casino 0:13:30.244 --> 0:13:32.324 within an hour and a half of me, Right, I 0:13:32.404 --> 0:13:37.484 decided to take a trip to a casino to play 0:13:37.684 --> 0:13:39.884 a tournament and take a week out. It'll cost me money, 0:13:39.884 --> 0:13:42.324 it'll cost you money. You know, hopefully I'll make back 0:13:42.364 --> 0:13:44.164 the entry fee and win. Most of the time, you don't, right, 0:13:44.204 --> 0:13:46.044 but like, but if there's an opportunity cost there, I 0:13:46.044 --> 0:13:48.204 could be doing something else right and like, but there's 0:13:48.204 --> 0:13:51.884 an active intentionality there that gives me more presence. You know. 0:13:51.924 --> 0:13:54.284 The other problem too is that kind of mentioned this earlier, Like, 0:13:54.484 --> 0:13:58.324 because these tournaments start in the PM typically, right, or 0:13:58.364 --> 0:14:00.284 you've just been playing a long time, and there's like 0:14:00.884 --> 0:14:03.124 and there's fatigue because you don't get you know, live 0:14:03.164 --> 0:14:06.164 poker is nice and frankly fairly slow until you get 0:14:06.164 --> 0:14:08.524 to like shorthanded poker, Right, you're not playing most of 0:14:08.524 --> 0:14:11.604 the time. You have your break for twenty minutes every 0:14:11.604 --> 0:14:13.964 two hours, right, you have a dinner break like online, 0:14:14.004 --> 0:14:16.364 even if you do start early, it's kind of a grind. 0:14:16.364 --> 0:14:18.084 But like, you know, I've just had fucking times and 0:14:18.124 --> 0:14:22.084 I'm like, Okay, I was bored tonight decided to fire 0:14:22.124 --> 0:14:24.684 up like a fifty dollars hundred dollars tournament, right, and like, 0:14:25.244 --> 0:14:27.404 is it really worth me staying up another two hours 0:14:29.364 --> 0:14:31.404 to ladder up and win an extra couple hundred dollars 0:14:31.444 --> 0:14:33.644 and expected value? Like I don't know, right, And so 0:14:33.724 --> 0:14:35.804 you like, I find the whole thing kind of kind 0:14:35.804 --> 0:14:36.964 of difficult. 0:14:42.684 --> 0:14:44.164 And we'll be back right after this. 0:14:59.004 --> 0:15:02.524 I think the lateness thing is a huge factor. I 0:15:02.604 --> 0:15:04.884 actually think that the entire East Coast is at a 0:15:04.964 --> 0:15:08.604 huge disadvantage to the West Coast because your cognitive function 0:15:09.084 --> 0:15:12.044 is an not going to be as sharp, you know, 0:15:12.204 --> 0:15:15.564 at when it's midnight for you, it's only nine pm 0:15:15.964 --> 0:15:18.204 for the people who are playing from Las Vegas. 0:15:18.284 --> 0:15:19.124 That's a huge difference. 0:15:19.204 --> 0:15:20.884 Yeah, I've looked at this in the context of so 0:15:20.924 --> 0:15:24.364 here's a little actual actionable gambling tip. Although it's probably 0:15:24.364 --> 0:15:26.324 accounted for in the point spot, so there's maybe not 0:15:26.484 --> 0:15:29.284 edge there. Right. We have this NFL model we've been 0:15:29.324 --> 0:15:31.604 working on for a couple of months now, right where 0:15:32.204 --> 0:15:34.324 literally any every NFL games is like teen twenty is 0:15:34.364 --> 0:15:36.044 account of four and all types of stuff, all types 0:15:36.044 --> 0:15:36.644 of fancy shit. 0:15:36.764 --> 0:15:36.924 Right. 0:15:38.244 --> 0:15:42.644 You know, teams playing at night when it's outside of 0:15:42.684 --> 0:15:45.484 their time zone. So the West Coast team has a 0:15:45.484 --> 0:15:49.564 big advantage versus an East Coast team in night games. Right, 0:15:49.604 --> 0:15:54.404 it's about almost a full point, which is not huge huge. 0:15:54.604 --> 0:15:56.804 That's like in the cost of NFL, where like if 0:15:56.804 --> 0:15:58.804 you have a point edge, you will beat the point 0:15:58.804 --> 0:16:01.204 spread on average. Right, that's pretty big. In fact, like 0:16:01.604 --> 0:16:05.724 even when the game is on the East Coast, the 0:16:05.764 --> 0:16:10.364 West Coast team can still be more fatigue or the 0:16:10.404 --> 0:16:12.644 East Coast team rather can still be worft because they're 0:16:12.644 --> 0:16:15.084 playing you know, you still have the West Coast team 0:16:15.564 --> 0:16:18.244 playing at five pm locally till eight instead of eight 0:16:18.564 --> 0:16:20.764 until eleven when you play most NFL games in the afternoon, 0:16:20.844 --> 0:16:22.884 practice in the afternoon, et cetera. Right, a bit of 0:16:22.924 --> 0:16:25.724 a reverse effect, by the way, where the West Coast 0:16:25.764 --> 0:16:29.324 teams do a little bit worse in games that sort 0:16:29.404 --> 0:16:32.164 up one pm Eastern ten am West coast time. But 0:16:32.204 --> 0:16:34.724 it's a little asymmetric, right, people, I'm an id L, 0:16:34.764 --> 0:16:36.884 so maybe I'm an exception, right, But like most people 0:16:37.644 --> 0:16:40.284 stretch a little better in the morning if they have 0:16:40.324 --> 0:16:42.884 to get up earlier than in the even at least 0:16:42.884 --> 0:16:45.364 for physical types of activity. Right, So like, yeah, that 0:16:45.484 --> 0:16:48.604 type of stuff like does matter quite a bit. 0:16:49.004 --> 0:16:51.844 Yeah, No, I mean, for sure, there's a lot of 0:16:51.964 --> 0:16:55.964 data on our cognitive function and time of day. And 0:16:56.804 --> 0:17:00.284 let me just say that there are two factors that 0:17:00.484 --> 0:17:08.084 are that really matter. One is just the actual light outside, right, 0:17:08.164 --> 0:17:12.564 and how it affects are body circadian rhythms, because as 0:17:12.604 --> 0:17:16.764 we evolved, light cues really matter and kind of make 0:17:16.804 --> 0:17:19.524 a difference. And there are certain cues towards morning that 0:17:19.524 --> 0:17:21.604 tell us to wake up, certain ques towards evening that 0:17:21.604 --> 0:17:25.724 tell us to go to sleep. But your chronotype, so Nate, 0:17:25.804 --> 0:17:28.644 you said you're a night owl. Your chronotype, that's what 0:17:28.724 --> 0:17:35.004 that is, right, your own internal circadian rhythm that also matters. 0:17:35.004 --> 0:17:37.564 So there are people who are who have an earlier 0:17:37.644 --> 0:17:40.084 chronotype and so they actually function better in the mornings. 0:17:40.084 --> 0:17:42.764 There are people who have a later chronotype. They function 0:17:42.884 --> 0:17:47.724 better later. It's easier in modern society for early birds 0:17:47.764 --> 0:17:53.164 to function because their chronotype is aligned more aligned right 0:17:53.244 --> 0:17:57.444 with modern demands and also actually more aligned with the 0:17:58.364 --> 0:18:00.684 with light. And I'm guessing there are no data on 0:18:01.524 --> 0:18:04.404 this night because this is not the way that professional 0:18:04.404 --> 0:18:08.204 sports work. But I'm assuming that the advantage will go 0:18:08.324 --> 0:18:10.564 away if the West team has been on the East 0:18:10.644 --> 0:18:13.684 coast for two weeks. We could look at but I 0:18:13.724 --> 0:18:15.924 don't think that ever happens, right, I don't know. 0:18:16.204 --> 0:18:19.204 I think in l teams would generally fly. But yeah, 0:18:19.244 --> 0:18:21.004 I mean all the sports science stuff is getting better. 0:18:21.004 --> 0:18:23.604 Home field advantage is generally declining, right, because they're like, yeah, 0:18:23.604 --> 0:18:26.564 you want to show up in that environment a couple 0:18:26.644 --> 0:18:29.244 of days beforehand, for sure. Yeah, I mean you're thinking 0:18:29.244 --> 0:18:29.764 about on them. 0:18:29.644 --> 0:18:32.964 A couple of days, but not two weeks, and it 0:18:33.004 --> 0:18:34.724 takes a while for your rhythms to reset. 0:18:34.804 --> 0:18:36.804 I mean, if you're trained for like as I you know, 0:18:36.844 --> 0:18:38.764 the past several summers played the World Series for at 0:18:38.804 --> 0:18:40.644 least a couple of weeks, right, you can you do 0:18:40.724 --> 0:18:43.764 get training right. One of the advice people sudvice I 0:18:43.844 --> 0:18:45.964 give is like, if you're playing, if you really care 0:18:45.964 --> 0:18:47.524 about the main event in the World Series, which if 0:18:47.564 --> 0:18:50.884 you love poker, you you probably should, right, Like, don't 0:18:50.884 --> 0:18:52.724 have that be your first tournament. I mean, you want 0:18:52.724 --> 0:18:54.244 to get in some reps. You want to kind of 0:18:54.244 --> 0:18:56.884 know where the bathrooms are, literally, I mean, you know, 0:18:57.164 --> 0:18:59.564 all that stuff. All that stuff matters. I Mean, one 0:18:59.564 --> 0:19:03.444 thing I noticed is like I have an uncanny recollection 0:19:04.244 --> 0:19:10.044 for live hands they played weeks, months, years ago, you know, 0:19:10.644 --> 0:19:12.764 down to the color of you know, what suit of 0:19:12.764 --> 0:19:14.964 the cards were, you know, Ace five of diamonds, even 0:19:14.964 --> 0:19:17.924 though it might not matter or or whatever else, right, 0:19:18.124 --> 0:19:20.284 the color of the chips or how But like I 0:19:20.524 --> 0:19:22.884 you know, online I'm like, I think I played at 0:19:22.964 --> 0:19:26.404 quads versus full house hand last night there or something 0:19:26.444 --> 0:19:28.204 like that, right, I just don't know. I don't have 0:19:28.244 --> 0:19:30.044 the tactile like recall. 0:19:30.164 --> 0:19:30.324 Yeah. 0:19:30.444 --> 0:19:32.404 No, I mean, I'm sure that people who just play 0:19:32.444 --> 0:19:37.284 online all the time, it becomes there probably is different 0:19:37.324 --> 0:19:40.724 our brain architecture that is involved, because that's the where 0:19:40.724 --> 0:19:44.124 our brains work right there. They're flexible and they do 0:19:44.204 --> 0:19:48.004 kind of change according to how you're using them. And 0:19:48.044 --> 0:19:52.044 so I'm assuming it's for someone who's an full time 0:19:52.124 --> 0:19:55.604 online player. It's probably not the case. But One of 0:19:55.644 --> 0:19:58.364 the things you said, Nate that really resonates that there's 0:19:58.444 --> 0:20:04.964 so much science behind this is that our brain does process, retain, 0:20:06.244 --> 0:20:14.284 and just work through information much much better when it's physical, 0:20:14.644 --> 0:20:18.484 when we're actually doing it, when we're learning by doing 0:20:18.804 --> 0:20:22.244 and not by you know, doing by pressing a button. 0:20:22.564 --> 0:20:25.284 So work that I think is actually kind of related. 0:20:25.324 --> 0:20:28.084 I hadn't thought about this until until now, but I 0:20:28.084 --> 0:20:31.644 think that this is quite relevant. There's a ton of work, 0:20:31.684 --> 0:20:35.244 and this research started, you know, probably several decades ago, 0:20:35.284 --> 0:20:38.964 and it's only gotten more and more powerful in the 0:20:39.004 --> 0:20:43.324 sense that replicated bigger studies. So there's a lot of 0:20:43.324 --> 0:20:46.604 work that shows that the single best way of taking 0:20:46.604 --> 0:20:49.204 notes right retaining information is to do it by hand, 0:20:49.564 --> 0:20:53.524 to actually physically write, and that there's a huge difference 0:20:53.564 --> 0:20:56.404 between taking notes by hand and typing on a computer. 0:20:56.844 --> 0:21:01.004 And there are multiple reasons for this. One of them 0:21:01.084 --> 0:21:04.084 is that there is this connection between you know, the 0:21:04.204 --> 0:21:07.404 hand physically going through these motions and the brain that 0:21:07.484 --> 0:21:11.364 strengthens the wiring. The other thing is that you don't 0:21:11.884 --> 0:21:14.524 write as quickly as you type, so you already have 0:21:14.564 --> 0:21:17.884 to process the information to know what's important enough to 0:21:18.164 --> 0:21:20.284 write down. How do I write it down, how do 0:21:20.324 --> 0:21:22.164 I take the different themes from it? How do I 0:21:22.204 --> 0:21:25.564 actually distill this? And so you're not just passively listening. 0:21:25.844 --> 0:21:28.884 You have to actively do this, whereas if you're typing, 0:21:28.964 --> 0:21:32.404 you can basically type everything, but you retain that information 0:21:32.884 --> 0:21:35.524 a lot worse. So this made me think that with 0:21:35.644 --> 0:21:39.404 online poker there's actually a similar effect going on where 0:21:39.724 --> 0:21:42.204 when it's live and also the way that our brain 0:21:42.324 --> 0:21:46.644 retains information and encodes information, the more points of encoding 0:21:46.684 --> 0:21:49.364 you can have, the better. So if you have like 0:21:49.604 --> 0:21:53.684 a memory where you have you remember, oh, these were 0:21:53.684 --> 0:21:56.044 the colors, right, these were the smells. This was what 0:21:56.124 --> 0:21:58.844 I just had for you know, if you can encode 0:21:59.044 --> 0:22:01.684 in a multisensory way, it's going to be much much 0:22:01.684 --> 0:22:04.284 more powerful, much more lasting. You're going to take a 0:22:04.284 --> 0:22:07.204 lot more from it than if you just do kind 0:22:07.244 --> 0:22:10.164 of a one note type of thing. And when you're 0:22:10.164 --> 0:22:12.844 playing live poker, you have that right because you are 0:22:12.884 --> 0:22:15.324 in a multisensor, You're in the real world, you are 0:22:15.364 --> 0:22:19.284 in an environment with people. There are dynamics, you can see, looks, 0:22:19.804 --> 0:22:23.804 you know, it smells. Unfortunately, there are a lot of 0:22:23.884 --> 0:22:27.284