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Speaker 1: Late fifteen to ten touched up What's up?

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Speaker 2: Guys, Welcome into a brand new episode of Chargers Weekly,

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Speaker 2: as always, joined by Matt Bunny Smith. It's the first

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Speaker 2: week of summer vacation. I guess we haven't double one

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Speaker 2: of these in a while. And Money, this is a

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Speaker 2: first Lindsay theory ESPN making your roundtable debut. And the

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Speaker 2: last time we had this gentleman on, he was upside

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Speaker 2: down in his Fiata. If you watch the podcast video,

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Speaker 2: I think he's got it all figured out now, Money,

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Speaker 2: It's true story.

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Speaker 3: Jeff Miller did make an appearance and the frame was

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Speaker 3: upside down and he was in an automobile, and all

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Speaker 3: automobiles it.

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Speaker 4: Was a mosta Miata.

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Speaker 3: So yes, it was Lindsay got a lot to live

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Speaker 3: up to. Good luck trying to match what Miller was

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Speaker 3: able to accomplish the last time he was on.

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Speaker 5: There's no way I can even top that. That sounds

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Speaker 5: like a great legend, right there be told over and

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Speaker 5: over again.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I believe that there's a folk song written about it.

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Speaker 3: You can hear it at Hurricanes there on Main Street.

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Speaker 4: They've they've put it on a loopt.

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Speaker 1: Jeff that's on the top of the resume.

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Speaker 6: No, it's it's probably the as I I think I

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Speaker 6: mentioned at the time, it's that is probably the best

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Speaker 6: thing I've ever delivered to this program right there, that

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Speaker 6: moment is more than anything I ever said, any insight,

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Speaker 6: any opinion, anyone else.

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Speaker 7: As that was the best thing I've ever delivered. So

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Speaker 7: I can't go down.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait for what this next thirty forty five minutes.

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Speaker 7: Hold up.

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Speaker 1: You know, you guys have been out there pretty much

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Speaker 1: the entire offseason. Money. I'll start with you, We'll go

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Speaker 1: around the horn.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about so many different things from January to present.

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Speaker 2: What would you say was the biggest takeaway? What did

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Speaker 2: you learn about this Chargers team this offseason? If you

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Speaker 2: had to kind of distill it down.

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Speaker 3: To one thing, there's really not you know, it's tough

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Speaker 3: to have any real takeaways from you know, kind of

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Speaker 3: guys running around in shorts and helmets, as you know.

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Speaker 3: But I think for me just based on and obviously

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Speaker 3: I read everything that Jeff and Lindsay are posting and

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Speaker 3: writing along with the other people that cover the team,

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Speaker 3: and that's the true excitement is around Kellen Moore and

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Speaker 3: I think it was born of some of the frustrations

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Speaker 3: surrounding what a Joe Lombardi offense looked like. And we

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Speaker 3: don't even really know what the offense is going to

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Speaker 3: look like, but it's the unknown, and we know that

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Speaker 3: the Cowboys offense has been good the last couple of years,

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Speaker 3: and so I think that's to me, it feels like

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Speaker 3: that's the centerpiece of Hope Springs Eternal, what's going to

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Speaker 3: make the Chargers take the next step this year? And

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Speaker 3: Lindsay and Jeff I feel like Kellen Moore seems to

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Speaker 3: be the centerpiece of what a lot of people are

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Speaker 8: Definitely money. You took the words right out of my mouth.

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Speaker 5: Though the offseason program, it's like, what's really going on

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Speaker 8: You can't it's hard to have any solid takeaways.

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Speaker 5: Also because is such like a learning period and it's

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Speaker 5: not really about competition. It's about getting the rookies up

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Speaker 5: to speed on the playbook. It's about installing new things,

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Speaker 5: trying new things, testing the limits on what they've already done.

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Speaker 5: So it's a bit difficult to gauge. But to your point,

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Speaker 5: Kellen Moore has absolutely been the focal point. There's a

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Speaker 5: couple obviously rehab assignments that have been interesting to kind

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Speaker 5: he's going to do, especially with Justin Herbert, and obviously

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Speaker 5: the Charters went into the draft and went to get

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Speaker 5: another big receiver, so that was also interesting to monitor

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Speaker 5: what Quinn Johnston's been doing and what teammates are saying

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Speaker 6: Yeah, just echo the same thoughts, and I think the

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Speaker 6: I think the other element of that is Justin Herbert

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Speaker 6: And I think it's just that idea of like we've

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Speaker 6: the season last year talking, you know, had that quote

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Speaker 7: So you hear stuff like that and then you think, okay,

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Speaker 7: About what what this will look like.

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Speaker 6: And as everybody said, we have no idea yet, but

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Speaker 6: you know, we'll learn that once the pads come on

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Speaker 6: and once they get moved around a little bit, and

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Speaker 6: especially those joint practices, you know, this summer.

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Speaker 2: When we left Jacksonville that night, I think there was

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Speaker 2: a lot of uncertainty as to who was even going

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Speaker 2: terms of the offense, the coaching staff, different moves that

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Speaker 2: they can make this offseason. And I think the biggest

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Speaker 2: look at Keenan's cap number and Mike's cap number. They're

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Speaker 2: running this thing back with largely the same crew that

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Speaker 2: But when we left Jacksonville that night shoot, I think

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Speaker 1: But it looks like they're going to keep that.

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Speaker 2: Continuity, and that was really the I think that's stuck

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Speaker 3: Well, I think, you know, part of that is born

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Speaker 3: resources to spend this offseason. I think what you're speaking to,

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Speaker 3: Chris is also, you know, you got older receivers, particularly Keenan.

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Speaker 3: I thought maybe that'd be a way to free up

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Speaker 3: worked for the Chargers, so perhaps it's a homer take

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Speaker 3: people can say that, but it's a really good roster,

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Speaker 3: Like that was a really good roster last year that

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Speaker 3: They still had a twenty seven zero lead at halftime

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Speaker 3: before things just went horribly wrong. They you know, once again,

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Speaker 3: of reasons why you would you would want to run

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Speaker 3: it back. The one thing that I'd like to see

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Speaker 3: more of, you know, Lindsay is and we've talked about

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Speaker 3: it's just depth, you know, so that doesn't happen again,

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Speaker 3: so there is more depth available if in fact injuries

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, it's been really interesting.

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Speaker 5: I think just this entire offseason is it is the

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Speaker 5: same roster that a year ago we were talking about.

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Speaker 5: We were talking about it, outsiders, national people all kinds

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Speaker 5: it did get a little bit better when you bring

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Speaker 5: but the narrative is just really changed, at least from

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Speaker 5: team's another year older at under achieved last year. I

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Speaker 5: think it's just be really interesting to see if this

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Speaker 5: If this group can stay healthy, candidate achieve at the

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Speaker 5: just it's been really just an interesting thing to watch

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Speaker 5: how they went from being among the favorites and then

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Speaker 5: it's like maybe they people just don't trust them anymore,

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Speaker 5: right do you trust them after you blow a lead

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Speaker 5: like that? Because it looks like on this roster, I

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Speaker 5: at every position, they're really good. Depth is a concern,

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Speaker 5: but I think you look at a lot of teams

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Speaker 8: Be a concern if you're bringing stars at most starting positions,

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Speaker 8: which arguably the Chargers have.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I don't know about you, guys.

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Speaker 6: There's a part of me that if I was sort

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Speaker 6: of handicapping this team, there's a little bit of a concern.

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Speaker 6: You know, when teams don't make changes, a lot of

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Speaker 6: times it doesn't work. Like it seems like in sports

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Speaker 6: A lot of times that doesn't work. It takes a

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Speaker 6: So I would be a little bit leary just you know,

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Speaker 6: there really hasn't been other than Kendricks replacing Drew tranquill

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Speaker 6: and and Nozadlely retiring. I mean, right, there's not much.

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Speaker 6: Not much has changed on the on the roster. Now

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Speaker 6: they change coordinators and they shuffle the coaches, which which

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Speaker 6: I'm sure you know they'll they would point to that

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Speaker 6: and say, well, you know, things have changed, and to money,

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Speaker 6: as Money said, they a lot of this was economically

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Speaker 6: been thinking, you know, all off season that you know,

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Speaker 6: they haven't done a whole lot, and I've covered a

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Speaker 6: lot of teams and other you know, in football, other

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Speaker 6: it doesn't always you know, recapture any kind of thing,

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Speaker 6: you know, glory that they thought they were going to have.

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Speaker 7: Now, the other aspect of that is a bunch.

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Speaker 6: Of guys were hurt last year, so you know, we

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Speaker 6: So maybe that's you know, maybe that factors into it too.

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Speaker 6: But I know I have been thinking about the fact that,

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Speaker 6: you know, I don't want to say it's stagnant, but

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Speaker 8: Let's go use it.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I can't tell you how many opposing coaches

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Speaker 8: The last season, I.

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Speaker 3: Is it like the dog there's the kids like to say, Lindsay,

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Speaker 8: I think he's got plenty of dog.

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna get killed for this, right, you know.

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Speaker 4: You gotta win that game like that, that's a.

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Speaker 3: I think that's perhaps what are that well it's not.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps it's what the last takeaway was from last season.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and when you look at what they're about to

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Speaker 5: As a contract, you know, you make a lot of money,

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Speaker 8: You carry a lot of there's a lot on your shoulders.

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Speaker 5: It's just it's a it's the hardest position in sports

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Speaker 6: or they're in the playoffs, and we all go back

440
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Speaker 6: to it again.

441
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Speaker 7: But that's the nature of sports.

442
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Speaker 6: And you know, Money said that, it's these quarterbacks. The

443
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Speaker 6: wins and losses are on the quarterbacks and the head

444
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Speaker 6: coaches and by extension, the coordinators. Always that's what that's

445
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Speaker 6: how this league works. It might not be fair, but

446
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Speaker 6: that's how it works.

447
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Speaker 7: And I remember a.

448
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Speaker 6: Couple of years ago, I think it was training camp,

449
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 6: I asked Justin Herbert about the the notion of wins

450
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Speaker 6: and losses being on a quarterbacks record, and he gave

451
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Speaker 6: a really good answer and basically saying he thought that

452
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Speaker 6: was kind of silly that it's you know, it's eleven

453
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Speaker 6: men on the side. It's you know, there's it's true,

454
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Speaker 6: there's so much involved in it that you put it

455
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Speaker 6: on one guy is kind.

456
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Speaker 7: Of ridiculous, but we all do it and we all look,

457
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Speaker 7: you know, you go to you know.

458
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Speaker 6: Pro Football Reference and the quarterbacks records are there as

459
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Speaker 6: a starter, and so I thought that was interesting and

460
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Speaker 6: now here a couple of years later, we're looking at

461
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Speaker 6: that and to think that's his perspective is is he

462
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Speaker 6: kind of isn't in that group of it's kind of

463
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Speaker 6: silly to grade quarterbacks that way, but that's how he's

464
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Speaker 6: going to be graded. And Money said it exactly right.

465
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Speaker 6: You know that that's the the nature of sports is

466
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Speaker 6: Patrick Mahomes doesn't lose that game, you know, Josh Allen

467
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 6: doesn't lose that game. That it's not necessarily fair, but

468
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Speaker 6: that's the reality and that's the you know, that's the

469
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Speaker 6: reality the these guys are all facing, and no one

470
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Speaker 6: more so than than Justin Herbert.

471
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, to Lindsay's point, like the the one

472
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Speaker 3: thing I think of and again, look, I you know,

473
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Speaker 3: I do a radio show every day, so it's like,

474
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Speaker 3: you know, we're in the middle of it, and plenty

475
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Speaker 3: of you guys you know, I mean, you post columns

476
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Speaker 3: or we all have social media feeds, we interact with people,

477
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Speaker 3: and and I think to your point, lindsay about Justin, like,

478
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Speaker 3: what what is it? Like, what what is it that

479
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Speaker 3: you're looking to see? I don't need to see more

480
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Speaker 3: talent from Justin Herbert. I can just see him throw

481
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Speaker 3: the ball more downb it, that's not it. Like if

482
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Speaker 3: I were to try to put a you know, to

483
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Speaker 3: put a pin on it, it would be when Joe

484
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Speaker 3: Lombardi calls in that freaking jet sweep to Michael Bandy

485
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Speaker 3: on you know, on a third and one, Herbert goes,

486
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Speaker 3: He goes, f you are you out of your mind? Everybody,

487
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Speaker 3: we are quarterbacks sneaking this. I'm taking I'm six foot six,

488
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Speaker 3: two hundred and forty pounds and we're getting the first

489
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Speaker 3: down can jet sweep? And then when you go to

490
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Speaker 3: the locker room, you put your finger in his chest

491
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Speaker 3: and you're like, don't ever do that again. Don't ever

492
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Speaker 3: call that play again. And that's that's kind of what

493
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Speaker 3: I think we're speaking to. That's being comfortable, like, Okay,

494
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Speaker 3: this is what I have to do. I'm not just

495
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Speaker 3: out here to execute, because I can execute every play

496
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Speaker 3: that is called into me perfectly. I know, and we

497
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Speaker 3: know he can do that, Like we've seen it play

498
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Speaker 3: in and play out. It's feeling comfortable overruling and saying

499
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Speaker 3: this is not your offense. This is my offense, all right,

500
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Speaker 3: and from now on, don't ever do that again. Like

501
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Speaker 3: that's that's I think what you're trying to look for,

502
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Speaker 3: you know, because we see it, right, we see what

503
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Speaker 3: was that argument with you on the sideline with you know,

504
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Speaker 3: and that's what makes great quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: You know why.

506
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying you have to do that all the time,

507
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Speaker 3: but it's those patent member Hey, Patrick and Andy Reid,

508
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Speaker 3: we're getting into it on the sideline, well you know,

509
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Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts and Shane we're into it on the side. Well, yeah,

510
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Speaker 3: that's what happens. That's what you're talking about. When those

511
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Speaker 3: quarterbacks feel comfortable, you know, to say, hey, what are

512
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Speaker 3: we doing here?

513
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Speaker 4: Man?

514
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Speaker 3: Like I'm out there, I see it all. Why would

515
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Speaker 3: you call that play that's not okay? You know, I

516
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 3: think that's it's kind of what we're talking about.

517
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Speaker 2: You want the guy to wait wave off on fourth down,

518
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Speaker 2: get the get the team off the field.

519
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Speaker 4: We're going for it exactly too. We're going exactly exactly.

520
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I just want exactly.

521
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Speaker 4: I want to make sure I crystallize it.

522
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to make sure it's just a case

523
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Speaker 3: people forgot was a disaster.

524
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Speaker 5: I mean, I just remember what like, you're talking about

525
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Speaker 5: one play and stakes out. You just in the press box,

526
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Speaker 5: You're like, what are they doing?

527
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Speaker 3: That's Lindsay, That's exactly what I said on the air,

528
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Speaker 3: and I actually thought of I was like, I probably

529
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Speaker 3: shouldn't have said that.

530
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Speaker 4: I said, what are we doing? What are we doing?

531
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Speaker 4: You know?

532
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Speaker 3: And that's and that's perhaps why we're talking about Kellen

533
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Speaker 3: Moore today.

534
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Speaker 6: It reminds me a little bit remember the Anthony let

535
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Speaker 6: the end of Anthony Lynn's tenure, when they had a

536
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Speaker 6: couple those plays where they inexplicably ran the ball when

537
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Speaker 6: you absolutely can't run the ball.

538
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Speaker 7: I remember at the time.

539
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Speaker 6: Saying that the quarterback has to know we can't run

540
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Speaker 6: this play.

541
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Speaker 7: And now we're a.

542
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Speaker 6: Couple, you know that was you know, we're a couple

543
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Speaker 6: of years later and money's right, and if you know

544
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Speaker 6: they're about to give this guy whatever one hundred and

545
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Speaker 6: thirty one hundred and fifty million dollars and guaranteed. You know,

546
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Speaker 6: in guarantees, you need him to overrule in certain situations.

547
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Speaker 6: And part of that, I think it's Justine's personality. I'm

548
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Speaker 6: sure part of it's is upbringing. You know, it's if

549
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Speaker 6: you think about it's got to be it's tough for

550
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Speaker 6: to overrule your coach. But he's in a position where

551
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Speaker 6: he's that's that might be that.

552
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Speaker 7: Next step we're talking about her looking for.

553
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Speaker 6: Is that, Yeah, that's what you have to do.

554
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Speaker 7: That's how you're getting paid to do.

555
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Speaker 6: And you know, if it if it rubs some people

556
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Speaker 6: the wrong way, who cares.

557
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Speaker 7: I mean, you're the quarterback, you're the franchise.

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Speaker 6: You know, you you take taking this thing. And I

559
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Speaker 6: think that's I think the Chargers would love to see

560
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Speaker 6: him do that.

561
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Speaker 3: And I think a lot of that too is you know,

562
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 3: think about who we're you know who we're talking about, right,

563
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Speaker 3: Andy Reid, who's a quarterback whisperer and empowers his quarterbacks,

564
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Speaker 3: and it's all about this is yours we're doing this to.

565
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Speaker 3: You know, hear about those meetings earlier in the week

566
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Speaker 3: that he has and the quarterbacks in it. Let's find

567
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Speaker 3: the plays and let's you know, and then you hear

568
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Speaker 3: about you know, think about Joe Burrow, the guy played

569
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 3: for Ed or Jaron for God's sakes, I mean, the

570
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 3: man's a psychopath. So you know, like he was like, oh,

571
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 3: you got to get the dog, got it, Joe? You know,

572
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Speaker 3: So justin came from Mario Christaball who basically told him

573
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Speaker 3: you are not to turn the ball over. We have

574
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Speaker 3: a great defense. We will run the ball. You will

575
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Speaker 3: run the ball. The last thing we can do is

576
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Speaker 3: put the look in a one a rose bowl. And

577
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Speaker 3: then Anthony Lynn was a run first head coach. My

578
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 3: defense is gonna play for me. We're gonna run the ball,

579
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Speaker 3: run the ball. We're not we're gonna protect the ball.

580
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Speaker 3: I love Tyrod Taylor. That's my kind of quarterback. Like so,

581
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Speaker 3: I think it's also important to remember like this, this

582
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: is this guy's upbringing. These are the coaches that he

583
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 3: played for. And so I think to have a new

584
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 3: head coach or a new coordinator that and and then

585
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 3: there's Joe Lombardi. You know, Drew Brees, ball's out, Ball's

586
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 3: got to be out. Let's get the ball out, you know,

587
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 3: Let's let the receivers do the hard work. You don't

588
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 3: need to stand back there and wait. Let's ball in

589
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 3: receivers hands. AT's all about run after. It's all YAK.

590
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 3: So that's why I'm excited about Kellen. You know, he

591
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 3: was able to pair the talent of DAK, the leadership

592
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 3: of DAK, the processing. Dak is an incredible process or like,

593
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 3: all of that into a top into a number one offense,

594
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 3: and so I think he needs that. Hey man, and

595
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 3: look what happened with Shane. You know what was Shane

596
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 3: Shane's quarterback. Shane was a quarterback at UNLV's. He's a

597
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 3: guy that knows and he's like, no, what are we doing.

598
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 3: We're pushing the ball downfield, t Billy, Jalen, Guyton, Let's

599
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 3: go sling it.

600
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Speaker 4: So to have that guy in that position, I think

601
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Speaker 4: is going to go a long way.

602
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Speaker 2: Jeff Lindsay Money and I talked about this at length

603
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Speaker 2: last week. All Eckler, his whole situation, the devaluation of

604
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Speaker 2: the quarterback or the running back.

605
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Speaker 1: Rather, you guys were there, you heard him talk to

606
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Speaker 1: the media. You guys ask questions to him.

607
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 2: What is your take on what happened? With Austin this

608
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: offseason and what it's going to look like moving forward.

609
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Speaker 8: Lindsay my take on what happened with Austin.

610
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Speaker 5: You know, I think for Austin's sake, he had to

611
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 5: go see what was out there and if anybody would

612
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 5: give him a big deal.

613
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 8: He has outplayed his contract, There's no doubt about that.

614
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 5: I think the handwriting was a little bit on the

615
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 5: wall that there is currently not a market out there

616
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Speaker 5: for running backs to go make a lot of money,

617
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Speaker 5: especially you know, Austin's proven himself, but he's twenty eight.

618
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 5: He has a lot of miles on those tires, and

619
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Speaker 5: he's bet on himself.

620
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Speaker 8: And I respect that, and I respect it.

621
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Speaker 5: This undrafted guy who led the NFL in touchdowns last year,

622
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Speaker 5: who put up an insane I think number one in

623
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Speaker 5: the league and yards after catch, so he he had

624
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 5: every right to ask for more, to go look for more.

625
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 5: I don't think it's surprising at all that he's back.

626
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 5: I don't think it's surprising that he had only one

627
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 5: point seventy five million added an incentives, because at the

628
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 5: end of the day, teams just don't have to pay

629
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Speaker 5: running backs. And I think we could argue till we're

630
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 5: blue in the face. Why that is or why that shouldn't.

631
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Speaker 8: Be, But that is what it is.

632
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Speaker 5: And you know, I think Austin has wants to come

633
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Speaker 5: back out. I think there's been some questions like, well,

634
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Speaker 5: how motivated is it gonna be in this his final

635
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 5: year here? Well, yeah, and he's playing to prove that

636
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 5: next year he gets another contract somewhere.

637
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Speaker 8: So I mean, I.

638
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Speaker 5: Think Austin's gonna put in the same work that he's

639
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 5: always put in. I think he's gonna have a fantastic

640
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 5: season with Kellen Moore. I don't think it's gonna be

641
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 5: the season it was a year ago, because I think

642
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 5: Kellen Moore is going to be a coordinator who can

643
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Speaker 5: find other guys in the red zone.

644
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Speaker 8: But he's a tool that they absolutely need.

645
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Speaker 5: And I have no doubt that Austin's gonna go out

646
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 5: there and put forth the same effort and contribute greatly

647
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Speaker 5: to the offense.

648
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I definitely he's a guy. Yeah, he's not a

649
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 6: guy you need to worry about. I think Lindsay's right

650
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 6: on it. And it's just a bad time in the

651
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 6: history of the NFL to be a running back.

652
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Speaker 7: That's just the reality of it. But I think, you know,

653
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 7: when when.

654
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Speaker 6: He first requested a trade and the Chargers gave him

655
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Speaker 6: permission and gave his agent permission, I thought maybe that

656
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 6: there was maybe a chance somebody could do something just

657
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 6: because of his production, his Red Zone production, his touchdowns.

658
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 6: But you know, as the market unfolded, it just it

659
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 6: was even it was even more glimb than than I

660
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 6: think that then a lot of us had anticipated. I mean,

661
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 6: it took even more of a downturn. So at that point,

662
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 6: I think it was pretty clear he was coming back.

663
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 6: But I don't think anybody needs to worry about his

664
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 6: motivation or what He's gonna be the same guy and

665
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 6: the you know, the charge is gonna need him to

666
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 6: be the same guy because they they have the same

667
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 6: running backs and uh so, uh it gets back to

668
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 6: the Kellen Moore thing and and.

669
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 7: How he's going to be able to.

670
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 6: Exploit Austin And I think, you know, Lindsey's probably right,

671
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 6: and I think it would be best for the Chargers

672
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 6: if if she is right, and and his his he's

673
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 6: maybe not a productive scoring wise, which means other guys

674
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 6: are more involved, which which they need because you can't

675
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 6: just keep you know, you can't keep counting him to

676
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 6: score uh whatever it is, you know, half your half

677
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 6: or more and half your touchdowns.

678
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, buddy, I wanted.

679
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 4: To go ahead, Yeah, go ahead, Chris No.

680
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: I was just gonna get your thoughts on this.

681
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 2: But also it reminded me yesterday Sony Michelle was signed

682
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: by the Rams. You remember at the beginning of the year,

683
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: we were we were wondering, like, hey, Josh Kelly's getting

684
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: like five yards of pop and they take him out

685
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: and Sony just for whatever reason, didn't have it.

686
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: So, you know, it's a kind of a two part thing.

687
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: With Yes, I think Austin's gonna have a productive year,

688
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: but they're looking for that second guy, and maybe it

689
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: is Josh Kelly.

690
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: We've talked about Isaiah Spiller a lot.

691
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: But I just it struck me funny when I saw

692
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: the Sony signing, and I was like, man, it just

693
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: reminded me that Josh Kelly had a pretty good start

694
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: of the year. But in like two, three, four touches

695
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: a game.

696
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 3: You know, it'll be interesting, you know what players are

697
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 3: still out there the first week or the second week

698
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 3: of training camp, because that's where a lot of these

699
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 3: players are gonna get signed. And we've talked about this

700
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 3: at nause and right, Chris Janiking Gockway is still out there,

701
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 3: and Frank Clark is still out there, and Leonard Floyd,

702
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 3: who Brandon Staley knows, is.

703
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 4: Still out there.

704
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of players out there in

705
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 3: particularly at the running back position.

706
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 4: Right.

707
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: So if that second player does not raise his hand

708
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 3: in a hurry in training camp, I'll be interested to

709
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 3: see if some of that money that's still out there

710
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 3: is used, because Kellimore likes having that second back. So

711
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 3: that's I think, and it's something that Austin has not

712
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:53,959
Speaker 3: shied away from.

713
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 4: I think the one thing about Austin.

714
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 3: And we said this repeatedly, yes he is he is

715
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 3: severely underpaid for the production that he provides. But he's

716
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 3: also lucky that he was an undrafted free agent and

717
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: he was able to get that second contract.

718
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 4: At least he got that.

719
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 3: At least he got his twenty five million bucks, which

720
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 3: a lot of running backs don't. They're drafted in the

721
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 3: fourth round. They chew him up over four years, they

722
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 3: may not even get a second they might even get franchised.

723
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 3: And you're talking about a career earnings of like three

724
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 3: and a half million bucks and you put up, you know,

725
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 3: three four thousand yards of offense and twenty plus touchdowns.

726
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 3: So I'm happy for Austin that he was able because

727
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 3: he does bust his tail and he always come and

728
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 3: you saw him at camp. He always comes in camp

729
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 3: in shape. He's great in the community. He just built

730
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 3: that weight room for Long Beach. Polly Like, he's a

731
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 3: great dude, he's a great teammate, he's a great player.

732
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 3: The sad thing is, and we said this, you know,

733
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 3: we talked about this last week, Chris like, I don't

734
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 3: think it's fair.

735
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 4: I get it.

736
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 3: I wish that running backs could get to their second

737
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 3: contract sooner that for you can't do that. The CBA

738
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 3: has already been negotiated. But if we could just get

739
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 3: them to their second contract by year three or something,

740
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: running backs don't pt. The numbers just are not there

741
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: once they hit twenty eight, twenty nine years old. It

742
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 3: is a steep slope that the players that do continue

743
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 3: to produce are complete and total outliers. And that's why

744
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 3: these numbers look the way they do, and that's why

745
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 3: the contracts look the way they do.

746
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,479
Speaker 4: So I'm hopefully hits all.

747
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 3: Of his incentives that he makes eight million bucks this year,

748
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: and I don't know what it'll look like going forward.

749
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 3: So to me, it's just a it's a very narrow focus.

750
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 3: It's how's Austin going to play this year? And I

751
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 3: think anything beyond that is Look, Josh Jacobs doesn't want

752
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 3: to report for camp. Josh James led the league in

753
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 3: rushing last year and he couldn't find a multi year deal.

754
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 3: Like it's it's just crazy the way that position is

755
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: is treated in the league, and now everybody's sad.

756
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 6: Sorry, and the show grinds.

757
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 4: He's like, man, that is too bad these guys, that's

758
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 4: it's terrible.

759
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 2: We you know, we we've no the awesome story has

760
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 2: been running to the ground.

761
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about it.

762
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's still got some trend on the tires.

763
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: Jeff Lindsay. Defensively, I think you can go in a

764
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: number of directions. What's the biggest.

765
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: Defensive storyline entering this year? You know, the Bosa and

766
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: mac tandem. Maybe staying healthy comes to mind.

767
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 4: J C.

768
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: Jackson and really just overall this defense getting better in

769
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: an effort to help the offense, which we expect to

770
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 2: score points.

771
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 8: Lindsay yeah, for me, it's Bosa Mack you hit on it.

772
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 8: And then J C.

773
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 5: Jackson, I think this is the last time we'll see

774
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 5: Bosa and Mac together. I don't see it in twenty

775
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 5: twenty way you were in twenty for twenty four that

776
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 5: those guys are going to be able to make it happen.

777
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 8: With their contracts, they both were structured.

778
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 5: I think one of those guys is probably not gonna

779
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 5: be here for the long haul, so whether or not

780
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 5: that partnership can really kind of come to fruition and

781
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 5: be what it was expected to be like, which is

782
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 5: one of the most feared tandems in the NFL. Obviously,

783
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 5: if they get going, that would be a big, big

784
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 5: boost for this defense, because if one of them gets hurt,

785
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 5: I think they're in a world of hurt without a

786
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 5: really strong pass rush and no proven backups. So I

787
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 5: think that's a big position that I will be watching.

788
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 8: And then J C. Jackson, I don't think he'll be

789
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 8: emphasized enough.

790
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 5: Obviously, this guy is signed a huge contract, he's coming

791
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 5: off a devastating injury, and I think it would be

792
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 5: a little bit easier to say, Okay, all he's got

793
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 5: to do is rehab and get better and come back

794
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 5: out because he.

795
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 8: Was doing great last year.

796
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,479
Speaker 5: Unfortunately for him, he wasn't playing well last year before

797
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 5: the injury.

798
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 8: It just seemed like he wasn't a fit for the defense.

799
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 5: Whether that was mentally physically what they were asking him

800
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 5: to do, I think that much is kind of unclear.

801
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 8: Still might have been both. But he is a huge

802
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 8: wild card.

803
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 5: And someone who when you look at the personnel in

804
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 5: the secondary, they absolutely need him to play.

805
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 8: The amount of money he's taken.

806
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 5: Up and the lack of depth at the position they

807
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 5: need J. C.

808
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 8: Jackson to perform.

809
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 6: I am glad that we got to the defense because

810
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 6: being the boring guy on this among the spoortsom that's

811
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 6: the one thing I keep talking about and I write

812
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 6: about it really the everyone and I get it with

813
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 6: Kellen Moore and Justin.

814
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 7: And everything else on offense.

815
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 6: But to me, they're gonna throw the ball, They're gonna

816
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 6: their offense is gonna be okay. I think this it's

817
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 6: gonna be determined. This season is gonna come down to

818
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 6: their defense, and it's it's sort of accentuated by the

819
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 6: fact that their head coach got his job because of

820
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 6: what he did as a defensive coach. So I will

821
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 6: promise you that it bugs the crap out of Brandon

822
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 6: Staley what's happened to his defense the last two seasons.

823
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 7: And he, I'm sure.

824
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 6: Is one hundred percent confident that they're going to really

825
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 6: take a step forward and they're going to be a

826
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 6: lot better against the run. They're gonna be a lot

827
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 6: better getting off the field than they've been, And to me,

828
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 6: I think that as this season unfolds, that's the thing

829
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 6: that's really going to determine what this team does, because

830
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 6: I don't have any doubts about what's going to happen

831
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 6: on offense. I think they're going to be more explosive.

832
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 6: I think they're going to score, and I think Herbert's

833
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 6: going to put a big numbers and Austin's going to

834
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 6: do his thing, And to me, it just comes down

835
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 6: to the defense is going to really determine the fate

836
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 6: of this season.

837
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 7: And so.

838
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 6: It's not nearly as exciting to talk about, but I

839
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 6: think it's I don't think we can talk about it

840
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 6: enough or emphasize enough.

841
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 7: They need to be better.

842
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 6: In those crucial moments than they were and they you know,

843
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 6: twenty seven to nothing. They played a lot a big

844
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 6: role in that falling apart too.

845
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

846
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 3: I think that's a great point, Jeff, because look, Brandon

847
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 3: is very polarizing in the media, from his fourth down

848
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 3: aggressiveness his first season, to having Justin Herbert and not

849
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 3: making the playoffs his second season, to losing a twenty

850
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 3: seven to zero lead, and his last season. The one

851
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 3: thing I'll say about coach Staley is his game plans

852
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 3: have been fantastic. You know, Miami is ripping the league apart.

853
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 3: And let's even go to the week before that, right,

854
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 3: they go into San Francisco, and the narrative is this

855
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 3: is going to be humiliating. This is a nationally televised game.

856
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 3: The Charger's supposed to make the Super Bowl this year,

857
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 3: and Kyle Shanahan is going to make a fool of

858
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 3: Brandon Staley in this game. And everybody's hurt and how

859
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 3: are they and they're in that game, they are trading

860
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: punches until the fourth quarter with a completely decimated roster.

861
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 3: The following week, oh boy, could lose three games in

862
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,959
Speaker 3: a row. Here, you know what Mike McDaniel is doing

863
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 3: to the league and all this speed. How are they

864
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,959
Speaker 3: to contend with it? And he's got a brilliant game

865
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 3: plan and he drops his second level of the defense

866
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 3: a little bit deeper, keeps everything in front, and the

867
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: defense wins that game. So that's the thing about coach

868
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 3: Staatea that I think it's very unfortunate for him, and

869
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 3: I do think a lot of it is of his

870
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 3: own making. He really kind of puts himself out there

871
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 3: in the media, and I think that causes people to

872
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 3: pick sides on do you like him, do you not

873
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 3: like him? But I think the one thing that I

874
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 3: will always stick up for coaches the game plans are there,

875
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 3: and they are they're there. For Kansas City, I thought

876
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 3: they got absolutely screwed in that third week of the

877
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 3: season on Thursday Night with some horrible calls by officiating

878
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: that should have led to two turnovers that didn't. The

879
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 3: pass interference call, which was an abject failure that should

880
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 3: have led to a turnover. Instead it led to a

881
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 3: touchdown for the Chiefs because it gave him a goal

882
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 3: to go situation, and then of course to pick off

883
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: by a Sante Samuel that looked like an interception. I

884
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 3: think that was really hard turnover so that I don't

885
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 3: want to, you know, legislate those things. But what I'm

886
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: saying is the game plans are there. Like I think

887
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: it's hard to argue that he's not a good defensive strategist.

888
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 3: He has been able to win games, I think based

889
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: on his schemes and what his approach is going to

890
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 3: be to try to get the better of these offenses

891
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: going in and the roster has just been decimated. I

892
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 3: do think there are moments where it's gotten away from

893
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 3: him where you know, perhaps you know whether it's personnel

894
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: or and that happens to everybody. But I guess what

895
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 3: I'm getting at is, if you guys want to build

896
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 3: on it is I do feel like he's a good

897
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 3: defensive coach, Like you see these first half of games

898
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 3: and the way these things stack up and the turnovers

899
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: that are created are the numbers that they're being posted.

900
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 3: It's just got to the results gotta be there. The

901
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 3: results are not there. I feel like I don't know

902
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 3: what I'm trying to say. I don't know if he

903
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: gets out adjusted at halftime or what's going on if

904
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 3: there's no such thing as halftime adjustments. But you know

905
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 3: what I'm getting at It just feels like it feels

906
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 3: like it's there, like what you're looking for, Jeff, I

907
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 3: feel like is available. I just don't know why it's

908
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 3: not led to better results.

909
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 2: Lindsey, let me jump in real quick. I want you,

910
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 2: I want to get your take on this, because Warren

911
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: Sharp had a tweet last week. They got a lot

912
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: of traction. The Chargers won ten games last year. These

913
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: are the quarterbacks that they beat. Davis Mills, Marcus Mariota,

914
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissett, Baker Mayfield who was with the Rams for

915
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: a cup of coffee, Nick Foles who we know was

916
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: there for a second, Russell Wilson in overtime, Ryan Tannehill,

917
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray coming back from injury, Derek Carr and Tua.

918
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: You don't see Josh.

919
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: Allen or Patrick Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers on that list.

920
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,479
Speaker 1: And guess what you're going to New York this year.

921
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson's coming here, justin Fields is coming here. So

922
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 2: I think, collectively, as Money said, collectively, this defense just

923
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: has to get better and there are gonna be times

924
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 2: where they're gonna have to stop Patrick Mahomes or Josh

925
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: Allen or Russell Wilson with Sean Payton in order to

926
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 2: win football games, and you know you win and you

927
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: who's in front of you on your schedule, but the

928
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: quarterback you go one up in class in twenty twenty three.

929
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, without question, And I, like money said earlier, I

930
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 5: don't want to be a Brandon Staley apologist, but in

931
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 5: one season watching this defense, they did. They went in

932
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 5: with a great game plan in San Francisco. They had

933
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 5: a good game plan Week two against the Chiefs. They've

934
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 5: had some good game plans. Why they can't capitalize on

935
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 5: that and why they can't produce a win out of that?

936
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 5: Sometimes it's like you really scratch your head and you

937
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 5: know it's hard to put your thumb on. I mean,

938
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 5: there's no team that I've covered that was as challenging

939
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 5: to define as this team was last year. And you

940
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 5: think of the San Francisco game and three healthy defensive

941
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 5: linemen by the end of it. I know every team

942
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 5: goes through injuries, but this team was decimated by injuries.

943
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 5: And so for me with Brandon stay with even with

944
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 5: the quarterbacks, he's facing tough ones this season, like this

945
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 5: has to be the year the defense produces, like it

946
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,479
Speaker 5: can't be excuses about injuries, it can't be any There's

947
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 5: nothing that can come into play other than ten your

948
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 5: defense produced, regardless of who's out there, regardless.

949
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 8: Of who you're facing.

950
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 5: If you want to get to the super Bowl, you're

951
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 5: going to have to beat the Chiefs. And so this

952
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 5: is kind of the the make or break for the

953
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 5: defense year three, and you have to see the results

954
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 5: because there's no other excuse to come turn to at

955
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 5: this point.

956
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the thing that's tough to push back against,

957
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 3: Lindsay is the numbers. You know, it's the worst run

958
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 3: defense in the league. It's a terrible third down defense.

959
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 3: It's like, that's that's what's just sort of maddening. I

960
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 3: think you said it. You hit it on the head.

961
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 3: It's so hard to define, you know, this this this team,

962
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 3: this defense, because when you cover the team and you

963
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 3: watch the team play in and play out, you're like,

964
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 3: this a good team. Like they're doing this, this is

965
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 3: a hell of a coaching job. Like did you watch

966
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 3: that San Francisco, Well, yeah, but they lost. You know,

967
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 3: did you watch the Chiefs can Well yeah, but Patrick Mahomes,

968
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 3: well yeah, Gerald, you know, Joe, they're calling a play

969
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 3: in when Gerald Everett's trying to tap out and it's

970
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 3: a pick six. That's the difference in the game. Not

971
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 3: to mention, like I said, two interceptions that are overturned,

972
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 3: but that's not reality. Reality is they lost the game

973
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 3: and Patrick Mahomes beats them every single time. And you

974
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 3: know that's a Brandon Staley coach defense that you've got

975
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: to lead with three minutes left in prime time at

976
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 3: SOFI Stadium, and somehow the call comes in and Travis

977
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 3: Kelcey breaks away from Derwin James, and that's who you want,

978
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 3: That's who I want. I want Derwin James opposite Travis

979
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 3: Kelcey one on one, Let's go your best and see

980
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 3: you later, touchdown, game over. And it's just it's it's

981
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 3: hard to qualify. It's hard to quantify because what the

982
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 3: numbers tell you it is and what you feel like

983
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 3: you're seeing it's just a weird It's a that side

984
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: of the foot is so freaking hard to analyze, describe,

985
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 3: and get.

986
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 4: A feel for.

987
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 5: Well, can I just add in, it's also hard to

988
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 5: analyze and describe because I have talked, I've covered Brandon

989
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 5: as a defensive coordinator with the Rams covered him now

990
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 5: obviously with the Chargers, and his defense isn't simple. You

991
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 5: talk to a lot of his players and it is

992
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 5: quite complicated. It took some time when he became the

993
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 5: DC for the Rams for those guys to understand because

994
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 5: Brandon sees so much and the call would come in

995
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 5: for the defense and the play caller or the signal

996
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 5: caller out on the field, the green dot as everyone

997
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 5: looks to call him. Right, he had a hard time

998
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 5: initially communicating what Brittan.

999
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 8: Was communicating because Brandan sees so much and so I

1000
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 8: don't even know where I was going with this. Oh,

1001
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 8: it's hard for us to find because I think he is.

1002
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, because he he is a defense of mind.

1003
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 8: He does see so much. But sometimes that can also

1004
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 8: cloud you because things can get over complicated. But maybe

1005
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 8: that means that with.

1006
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 5: Some of those complications that now three years then these

1007
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 5: guys have it down.

1008
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: Jeff.

1009
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: It goes back to your point about change versus kind

1010
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 2: of staying the same. I think the personnel kind of

1011
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: stays the same. But you know, we saw Michael Davis

1012
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 2: take a huge leap learning that defense from year one

1013
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: to year two.

1014
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: All those injuries.

1015
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 2: If jac comes back and Khalil and Joey can stay

1016
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 2: healthy for a majority of the season, then you can

1017
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 2: unlock Derwin James to do what we thought he was

1018
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: going to do last year.

1019
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 4: You know.

1020
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: I feel like we always go into a season saying,

1021
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: all right, Darwin's going to be this chess piece, you

1022
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 2: could put it all over the field, and then a

1023
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 2: ton of dudes get hurt and he gets stuck just

1024
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 2: being like the guy in the secondary that has like

1025
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 2: tried to basically cover all bases.

1026
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 7: You know.

1027
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 2: So I think maybe if it's injury injury, like it's huge.

1028
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: But Jeff, I'm looking at Darwin and if if those

1029
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: guys that I mentioned healthy, Darwin can really do a

1030
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 2: lot of damage as a first.

1031
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: Team love pro.

1032
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 7: Oh absolutely.

1033
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 6: And we you know there was a stuff the other

1034
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 6: from a week ago or a couple of weeks ago,

1035
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 6: whatever it was now on social media the Chargers put

1036
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,479
Speaker 6: out about him working on the edge, which we've seen

1037
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 6: some of that, and obviously he can he can.

1038
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 7: Do that and he can play anywhere.

1039
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 6: You know, when you're you're thinking about Derwin's uh situation,

1040
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 6: I mean j T.

1041
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 7: Woods comes into play there.

1042
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 6: That's a guy who Brandon Staley, I think is convinced

1043
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 6: he can turn into not only a starting NFL player,

1044
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 6: but a really good NFL player. And one of the

1045
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 6: things that that Staley prides himself on is development. And

1046
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 6: that doesn't get talked about a whole lot, especially as

1047
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 6: a head coach, but he he's convinced that he.

1048
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 7: Can develop a guy like j. T.

1049
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 6: Woods into an effective defensive player. And if that that happens.

1050
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 6: We've talked about the depth and the lack of depth

1051
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 6: that in some spots. If that happens, now you you

1052
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 6: know Derwin. You can turn Derwin loose a little more.

1053
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 6: And you know, a guy like a guy like that

1054
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 6: that you know, or guy even a guy like Mark Webb.

1055
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 6: You know, if that guy can can give them some

1056
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 6: defensive snabs, some quality out there. You know that Again,

1057
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 6: that's another thing that could free up Derwin.

1058
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 7: So I do.

1059
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 6: I mean, everything we're saying is uh, I think is accurate,

1060
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 6: and it's it's right on. And in talking about this

1061
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 6: team and the difficulty and trying to sort of.

1062
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 7: Define why they maybe not have.

1063
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 6: The success that you'd expect, the one thing I was thinking,

1064
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,479
Speaker 6: listen to all you guys say that was how many

1065
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 6: long time Charger fans are sitting there would be watching

1066
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 6: this going, yeah, no kidding.

1067
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 7: We've been saying this for fifty years.

1068
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 6: This is the Chargers, and unfortunately that is the reality

1069
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 6: of this franchise. You know, you know, you want to

1070
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 6: get Brendan stately going on something, ask him about the

1071
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 6: history of the team and how it affects this this

1072
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 6: year's team, and you know he I know, he's told

1073
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 6: all of us repeatedly. I'm sure that he can't believe

1074
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 6: we get lumped in with the history of this team,

1075
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 6: but he understands that's the reality of sports, and that's

1076
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 6: part of this franchise, and that is until they win,

1077
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 6: until they overcome all this stuff. That is going to

1078
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 6: be one of the narratives around the Chargers is they're

1079
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 6: just this team that's hard to figure out because they

1080
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 6: seem better in most seasons. They seem like they're better

1081
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 6: than their record ends up being.

1082
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 3: I think just sort of quickly, Chris, because I you know,

1083
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 3: I'm a slow processor, so I've got to, like, you know,

1084
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 3: figure these things out. And then I'm going to go

1085
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 3: back a question earlier an ad But I really like

1086
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 3: Warren Sharp. I'm a big fan of his he has

1087
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 3: had it out for the Chargers since they hired Joe Lombardi.

1088
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: Oh, no doubt.

1089
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 4: What I would say is rock.

1090
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 3: Purty made the AFC Championship Game, and if teams had

1091
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: beat brock Purty, you best bet your ass that that

1092
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 3: would have been on that list. Davis Mills brock Purty,

1093
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 3: Like I don't care who the quarterback is. All you

1094
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 3: gotta do is punch your ticket into the tournament and

1095
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 3: anything can happen. We have seen the Giants win three

1096
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 3: wild card games and win a Super Bowl. We saw

1097
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 3: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers win three you know, start in

1098
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 3: the wildcard round and win three road games and win

1099
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl. Whatever path you've got to take to

1100
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 3: get into the tournament, take it. And the Bengals, the

1101
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 3: freaking Bengals made the Super Bowl two years ago. So,

1102
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 3: like the whole what does it mean about this team

1103
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 3: that these are the quarterbacks? I don't give a damn,

1104
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 3: you know, I care about what is the win total?

1105
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 3: Can you get to ten wins? Because if you can

1106
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 3: get to ten wins is the Jaguars are going to

1107
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 3: tell you anything can happen in the playoffs. You can

1108
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 3: be down twenty seven to nothing and find yourself with

1109
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 3: a lead in the third quarter in Kansas City against

1110
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 3: the eventual Super Bowl champions. So and so, what's the

1111
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 3: narrow gonna be after five weeks? If the Chargers are

1112
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 3: four and one, well they beat Tua and Tannehill and

1113
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins and Jimmy Garoppolo and you know, Mike mccarthew

1114
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 3: can't even coach offense anymore. Like, I don't care, win

1115
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 3: the games, win the games. Is it gonna be a

1116
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 3: tougher slate?

1117
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 4: Maybe? I don't know.

1118
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 3: I don't know what the Raiders are gonna look like.

1119
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 3: Their offensive line still sucks. Jimmy Garoppolo's okay, He's not great?

1120
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Speaker 3: Is Russell Wilson? I love your workout video, Russell Sweet

1121
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 3: way to go, dude, that's what you want to put

1122
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 3: out there after last season? Show me throwing some iron around.

1123
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 3: That's great. So, like, you know, I don't I can

1124
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 3: we can buy into it, you know, we can buy

1125
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 3: into all that stuff. It's it's a much tougher quarterback slay.

1126
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers was ninety percent retired three months ago.

1127
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 4: Does he really give a damn?

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00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I don't know, you know

1129
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 3: who's his offensive coordinator, Nate Hackett. How did that look

1130
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 3: last year? Like, so there's so many variables that go

1131
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 3: into the thing about is this going to be tougher?

1132
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 4: Is it going to be easier?

1133
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 3: It lays out great at the start, and then you

1134
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 3: got to deal with I mean they got you know,

1135
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 3: is Justin Fields was had the lowest passer I think

1136
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 3: he was what thirty third in or thirty fourth in

1137
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 3: QBR and passer and things like that guy's gonna be

1138
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 3: a nightmare to defend. Team's not good, but that guy's

1139
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 3: a freaking nightmare to try to figure out if he's

1140
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 3: just gonna grab the ball and run around like a

1141
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 3: psychopath like that can blow up a defense. You don't

1142
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 3: know what to do. Like it's you know, the league

1143
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 3: is weird. The schedule that we are looking at today

1144
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 3: is not going to look like that, you know in

1145
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 3: week fifteen or week fourteen. Who knows what it's going

1146
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 3: to look like, you know what I mean? Like that

1147
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 3: stuff to me is so crazy to try to try

1148
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 3: to lean on. Well, the Chargers weren't really that good

1149
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 3: last year because look at the quarterbacks they beat. Okay,

1150
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 3: well what quarterbacks beat them. You know, Derek Carr beat them,

1151
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 3: Brock Purty beat him. You know, it's like it was

1152
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 3: supposed to be a too of Justin Herbert Showdown and

1153
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 3: tour was humiliated.

1154
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 4: You know, is that fair?

1155
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 3: No, it's crazy, like it's crazy to try to Matt

1156
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 3: Jones is probably gonna beat him because Bill Belichick is it.

1157
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 4: Is a nightmare to play against. You know, it's just

1158
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 4: like it's it is what it is.

1159
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,919
Speaker 6: I love the I love it, I know, I love

1160
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 6: I love when uh money gets a little salting, it

1161
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 6: gets a little.

1162
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 7: A little disparaging. I love it. I love it. It's great.

1163
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 7: It gets discussed.

1164
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 2: Warrit Sharp has headed out for the Chargers too, like

1165
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 2: you know you he probably I really do it for

1166
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 2: great tweet warranges. This is a great tweet to get

1167
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 2: people fired up. I will say that. List there, there

1168
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 2: weren't a lot of top tier quarterbacks, and you play

1169
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 2: who's in front of you one hundred percent. You win

1170
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 2: ten games in the AFC, you deserve to go to

1171
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 2: the tournament. But when Lamar Jackson comes to town, and

1172
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 2: you know, Nate Hackett and.

1173
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Rogers want a MVP with him.

1174
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, so you know, Josh Allen's

1175
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 2: coming to SOFI Stadium, Patrick Mahomes twice, Russell Wilson can't

1176
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 2: be any worse than he was last year.

1177
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Speaker 1: So it's just the AFC is a beast, which is

1178
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: kind of my final question.

1179
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: Guys, what does this charge seem going to look like

1180
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three in this loaded AFC?

1181
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 8: Lindsay, of course you're starting with me.

1182
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 5: What are they gonna look at? I hate, I don't know,

1183
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 5: I don't know. The AFC is a gauntlet, is daunting.

1184
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 8: I heard. I haven't verified this yet, but.

1185
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 5: I heard that when the schedule makers were looking at

1186
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 5: the schedule, they're looking at every all the factors. What

1187
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 5: makes the schedule tough, what makes it easier? The common

1188
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 5: denominator was do you have to play the Kansas City Chiefs.

1189
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 5: The Chargers have to play them twice? So who knows

1190
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 5: how they're going to do? As long as they're in

1191
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 5: the same division as the Chiefs. They're chasing them, obviously,

1192
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 5: so the best they can hope for is to maybe

1193
00:55:58,520 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 5: beat them.

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00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 8: I think realistically, you hope that you come in second.

1195
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 5: In the division to them, and then you give yourself

1196
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 5: a chance once you reach the playoffs.

1197
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Speaker 8: But how is is gonna shake out? I don't know.

1198
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 5: I mean that the Bills, obviously, the Bengals with Aaron

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Speaker 5: Rodgers coming over to the conference. It's it's looking tough,

1200
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 5: But this is that's why you get paid. And why

1201
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 5: do these guys make all the money to go play

1202
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 5: the tough games?

1203
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 8: Right?

1204
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1205
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 6: Remember a year about this time, we were all talking

1206
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 6: the AFC West is it's unbelievable.

1207
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 7: All these teams are gonna be have.

1208
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 1: Winning records Division of Football.

1209
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 6: And then we saw it that the so so money

1210
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 6: is exactly right.

1211
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Speaker 7: The strength of schedule stuff.

1212
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Speaker 6: Talking about it right now is ridiculous because who the

1213
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 6: heck knows with any of the stuff. I think, uh,

1214
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,720
Speaker 6: you know, I think the Chargers. I think they're gonna

1215
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 6: be good. I think they're gonna be a playoff team.

1216
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 7: The Chiefs are going to get one of these. The

1217
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 7: Chiefs aren't going to win the.

1218
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 6: Division, and I think the Chargers are the next best choice.

1219
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 6: And you go back two years ago that Thursday night

1220
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 6: game against the Chiefs at home. If they win that game,

1221
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 6: they're in first place. So I mean they were really close.

1222
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 6: Uh you know, in Brandon Stately's first season. So I

1223
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 6: don't there's no reason for me to you look at

1224
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 6: this team to think that they're they're going to go backward.

1225
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 6: I think, you know, and maybe you know this time

1226
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 6: of year, everybody's better and everybody's.

1227
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 7: You know, going to be really good.

1228
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 6: But I do think there's all kinds of reasons for

1229
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 6: optimism for this team, and I would be very surprised

1230
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,919
Speaker 6: if if if I would maybe not if they don't

1231
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 6: make the play I'd be very surprised if they're not

1232
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 6: in the conversation at the very end again like they

1233
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 6: were in the last two years.

1234
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 7: But I you know, I fully expect.

1235
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 6: Them to to to challenge the Chiefs and to make

1236
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 6: the playoffs and and take another run at it.

1237
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 3: You know, I just go what we focused on too

1238
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 3: much in the AFC, and I understand it's quarterback le

1239
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 3: We just keep talking about these quarterbacks, and we keep saying, well,

1240
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 3: you know when you go through Justin Herbert Joe Burrow,

1241
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 3: and we're guilty of it.

1242
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 4: I'm not absolving myself from this. I've done it.

1243
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 2: You know.

1244
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 3: I'm just looking at so I'm looking off to the

1245
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 3: side here. So Joe Burrow, Aaron Rodgers, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,

1246
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson, Trevor Lawrence, Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert Russell Wilson.

1247
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 3: Like two of those guys aren't going to make the playoffs,

1248
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 3: And that's what we're focusing on when we should be

1249
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 3: focusing on the entire team. You know, like of all

1250
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 3: those teams, the Broncos roster is stacked. We know how

1251
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 3: good that defense was last year. And if Sean Payton

1252
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,439
Speaker 3: can make any sort of impact, like just make them

1253
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 3: forty percent better on offense. You know, Javonte Williams being

1254
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 3: back and like what that could mean.

1255
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 4: Like that's the thing is do we trust the Jets?

1256
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 3: Do we really believe in that offensive line that has

1257
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 3: a swing tackle at left tackle and they have I

1258
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 3: think Mackai Beckton might play. Does it feel like playing football?

1259
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1260
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 3: That's the offensive line that we're talking about. So we

1261
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 3: know the Bengals are going to be good. We know

1262
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 3: the Chiefs are going to be good. I think last

1263
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 3: year we saw a little bit of an issue with

1264
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 3: the Bills with the offense and it got a little

1265
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 3: sideways there for a while. We were talking about they

1266
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 3: can't run the ball and Josh Allen's got to do

1267
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 3: too much and it's going to catch up with them

1268
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 3: at the end of the season. And it didn't mitigate

1269
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 3: obviously mitigating factors going into just the nightmare that they

1270
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 3: had to deal with toward the end of the season.

1271
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 3: But I think when you start going through if you

1272
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 3: don't just name quarterbacks, you start talking about coaches and

1273
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 3: rosters and like those sort of things. It's not just

1274
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 3: going to be the nine quarterbacks that come into play

1275
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 3: for seven spots. It's going to be did you go

1276
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 3: into a game against San Francisco, like you said, Lindsay,

1277
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 3: with three healthy defensive players, Like that's that's going to

1278
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 3: come into play as to which one of these teams

1279
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 3: gets excluded and you know, people get cut and the

1280
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 3: coaches it fired because it's like, no, we got a

1281
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 3: really good roster, they could have won the Super Bowl

1282
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 3: and we didn't even make the playoffs. And that's what's

1283
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 3: gonna happen this year, and it's it's gonna be competitive,

1284
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 3: and it's gonna be tough, and it's going to go

1285
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 3: beyond you know what the quarterback does.

1286
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 4: It just it has to.

1287
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 3: I mean, the Jets were terrible at quarterback last year,

1288
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 3: and they were in it until the final three weeks

1289
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 3: of the season.

1290
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 4: You know, so any anything.

1291
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 3: Could happen, and it doesn't have to be predicated on

1292
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 3: the success of the quarterback or what the name is

1293
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 3: on the back of their jersey.

1294
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 2: Mundy to piggyback off that you didn't mention the Steelers

1295
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 2: or Patriots because they don't have that quote unquote franchise

1296
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 2: quarterback they got. And you know, the Steelers, they finished

1297
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 2: the season very strong last year. Kenny Pikett looked encouraging,

1298
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 2: you know, and if if Mac Jones gets another weapon,

1299
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 2: you still have Bill Belichick coaching that team.

1300
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 4: That's great about me.

1301
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 3: Here's here's what's great about me is watch just the

1302
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 3: incredible hypocrisy that shows up immediately because I've been hearing

1303
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 3: too much about this Pittsburgh run at the end of

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Speaker 3: the season and you just you can't help but go

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Speaker 3: through the games and just be like, Okay, let's you.

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Speaker 1: Play who's in front of your money.

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Speaker 3: You play who's in front of you But to suggest

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Speaker 3: that that is a precursor for success this year is

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Speaker 3: I think a little foolish there. They played what did

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Speaker 3: they closed with? Atlanta with they closed with Indianapolis when

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Speaker 3: Atlanta Desmond Ritter. I don't even know who was quarterback

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Speaker 3: in that team in Indianapolis at that time. So then

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Speaker 3: you've got Atlanta when they lost to the third string

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Speaker 3: quarterback of the Ravens.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: They beat Carolina, who in that game started Sam Darnold.

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Speaker 3: After that, they beat Vegas after Derek Carr that was

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Speaker 3: his last game, remember before he got benched and he

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01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 3: was already on the way out. Then they end up

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Speaker 3: beating Baltimore with the third string quarterback. And see what

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Speaker 3: I mean. Like, and here I am being a hypocrite,

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Speaker 3: like I'm just saying projecting future success for the Steelers

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Speaker 3: based on the way they finished last season is a

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Speaker 3: little bit misleading.

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Speaker 2: If you just go to the last fifteen years, Mike,

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Speaker 2: Mike Tomlins never had a losing record, You've.

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Speaker 4: Got that's exactly right. Yes, that's what I would bank on.

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Speaker 3: Like the Steelers are always in the mix and they

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Speaker 3: have an incredible defense.

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Speaker 6: That sounds to me like money had the under on

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Speaker 6: the Steeler win total last year.

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Speaker 3: You know what it is, it's it's my dear friend

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Speaker 3: Dave Damashek and I screaming and yelling at each other

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Speaker 3: when he suggested the Steelers were gonna win eleven games

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Speaker 3: this year because of how strong they finished the season

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Speaker 3: last year, and I said, that's just the dumbest thing

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Speaker 3: I've ever heard. You want to project them to win

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Speaker 3: eleven games five, but don't tell me it's because of

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Speaker 3: how they finished the season last year against those teams

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Speaker 3: that they finished against.

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Speaker 4: Sorry you sniffed it out.

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Speaker 3: Though, Jeff, there was an underlying agenda attached to that brand.

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Speaker 2: Guys, we've kept you way late. Lindsey twenty seconds. What's

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01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 2: a storyline for fans to keep the around a training

1345
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 2: can maybe a player or position group that you're kind

1346
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 2: of excited to watch come into July.

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Speaker 5: I'm just gonna keep beating this drum, the Kellen Moore storyline.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I really think that that is going to

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Speaker 5: determine what this offense can do this season, is going

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Speaker 5: to determine how far they go in the playoffs, and really,

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Speaker 5: I mean that ultimately determines who's back next year.

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Speaker 8: So I really it's what Kellen Moore.

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Speaker 5: Can do with Justin Herbert, with Justin Herbert can do

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Speaker 5: with what is now a plethora of talent.

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Speaker 8: Mine is a little question market tight end.

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Speaker 5: But you know, they feel confident what they got, so

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Speaker 5: we'll see how that plays out. So for me, I

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01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 5: just again it's the Kellen Moore situation, and then you

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01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 5: got to talk about, Oh, Kellen has a great success.

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Speaker 5: So what happens in twenty twenty four with Kellen Moore?

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Speaker 5: But we'll save that for.

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Speaker 1: Later a whole nother podcast.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, right, you'll be invited back, so you congratulations,

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Speaker 3: Jeff Man.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna stick with defense. Maybe that's my theme im.

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Speaker 6: It'll be fascinating to me to see what happens with

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Speaker 6: j C. Jackson, you know, just if he can make

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Speaker 6: it back. He seems to be uh on schedule and

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Speaker 6: and as Lindsay mentioned, it'll be really interesting to see

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Speaker 6: if he can perform in this defense because we don't

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Speaker 6: know if he can yet, and you know what he

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Speaker 6: did in New England, you can't deny that it was.

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01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 6: Those numbers are ridiculous and if he if he can

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Speaker 6: bring that to this team, it would be an enormous boost.

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Speaker 7: So that's good.

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Speaker 6: That would be the one guy if I was gonna

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Speaker 6: watch one guy just to see see where he's at.

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Speaker 6: And see how he comes along, because he could make

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Speaker 6: a huge difference for this defense.

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Speaker 1: M money, what you got?

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Speaker 3: Why not kicker competition? The Chargers play close games. They

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Speaker 3: play close games, they always do, and and I've been

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Speaker 3: around long enough to see kickers ruined seasons for this team,

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Speaker 3: completely ruined season. So I'm a I like Dustin Hopkins.

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Speaker 3: I love Cameron Dicker. I do think they're to me.

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Speaker 3: They just they play close games that the Chargers do

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Speaker 3: for whatever reason, and and kicking can be the difference

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Speaker 3: in wins and losses.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Lindsay, isn't the good news with this kicking competition

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Speaker 5: is like they both were really good. I mean Dustin

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Speaker 5: Hopkins I just wrote about that he lost he could

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Speaker 5: potentially lose his job for kicking like a game winning

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Speaker 5: field goal in overtime like that. That that is at

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Speaker 5: least a much different scenario than like guys who couldn't

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Speaker 5: hit a field goal to save their life.

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Speaker 8: I mean, these are two guys.

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Speaker 5: Who are are good, and so it's like an it's

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Speaker 5: like an exciting competition, not like a oh my gosh,

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Speaker 5: can anyone kick.

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Speaker 8: A field goal?

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Speaker 4: Competition?

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Speaker 3: And that's and the exciting thing about that too, or

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Speaker 3: it shouldn't it exciting. The good thing about it is

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Speaker 3: they're both going to have jobs. Whichever one of them

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Speaker 3: is cut is going to be signed to be the

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Speaker 3: starting kicker for another team. So it's not like they're

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Speaker 3: going to be out of a job. Kicking at Santa

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Speaker 3: Monica high Seema tape I'm ready to go and.

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Speaker 4: Wants to sign me?

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Speaker 3: Like not, you know that's not gonna You should say

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Speaker 3: Crossroads Santa Monica Like that's so, that's the way I

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Speaker 3: think it'll end. There's a happy ending for whichever one

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Speaker 3: of these two doesn't make the team. So there you go, Chris,

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Speaker 3: there's mine. Let's keep going the Kickers.

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Speaker 1: We haven't talked.

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Speaker 2: About the fact that there even is a competition. I

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Speaker 2: think because reason both both guys were very good last year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Kevid Dick good reason. We want people to download

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Speaker 3: and listen to the pod. This will be the this

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Speaker 3: will be the headline, this will be the title for

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Speaker 3: this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Kicking Competition FI time code.

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Speaker 3: We needed, we needed forty We needed four different voices

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Speaker 3: to weigh in on how this kicking competition and is

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Speaker 3: U That's why.

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Speaker 2: I'll just quickly add two guys that I'm just excited

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Speaker 2: to see j T. Woods and Isaiah Spiller, two guys

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Speaker 2: from last year's rookie class who didn't really see the field,

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Speaker 2: you know, Jeff Lindsay money, I talked about the fact

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Speaker 2: that it seemed very apparent that a low heat Gilman

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Speaker 2: is the starter, feels very comfortable with the low he

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Speaker 2: back there.

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Speaker 4: And then you know, for.

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Speaker 2: Isaiah Spiller, youngest player drafted last year, didn't see much

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Speaker 2: of them.

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01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 7: Uh.

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01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 2: It was a curious kind of running back rotation, to

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Speaker 2: say the least last year behind Austin anyway, So maybe

1439
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 2: Isaiah can can be that guy and he and Josh

1440
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 2: can push push each other to get some run behind Austin.

1441
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Speaker 4: So there you go.

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Speaker 3: There we go, Jesff and Lindsay go seek out Chris

1443
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 3: Smith at training camp. You've earned yourself a bucket hat

1444
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 3: for for an hour and.

1445
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 4: Seven minutes of podcasting today. Well done. So you did great.

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Speaker 2: Jeff, no uh no Miata, no miata tricks in the

1447
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 2: in the uh with the phone.

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Speaker 6: Totally professional today, totally all pro performance by me.

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01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 7: I'm just gonna throw it out there.

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Speaker 2: You guys are the best. Lindsay thirty ESPN. Jeff Miller,

1451
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 2: La Times, and the great bat Muddy Smith.

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Speaker 1: I'm Chris.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next week.