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Speaker 1: Podcast Network. Welcome to the latest edition of the Giants

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Speaker 1: to break down the Giants two thousand twenty two draft class,

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Speaker 1: than Kirk Ferns. Coaching on Lance Meadow here. Thanks so

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Speaker 1: off with Dame Belton, who really was one of the

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