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Speaker 1: Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the

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Speaker 1: upcoming NFL Draft with insiders from around the country. Welcome

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Speaker 1: into another episode of Inside the Draft podcast right here

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Speaker 1: on the Colts Audio Network inside the Indiana Union Construction

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Speaker 1: Industry Radio studios, here with you every week leading up

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Speaker 1: to the twenty twenty five NFL Draft, which comes your

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Speaker 1: way at the end of April. As it sits right now,

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Speaker 1: the Colts have the fourteenth overall selection in the upcoming draft.

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Speaker 1: This will be the first time in the Indianapolis era

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Speaker 1: of the Colts they will select fourteenth overall in just

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Speaker 1: the second time in franchise history. They selected linebacker Mike

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Speaker 1: Curtis fourteenth overall in nineteen sixty five while in Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: And today here on the Inside the Draft podcast, we

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Speaker 1: are joined by Dalton Miller, who is the co host

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Speaker 1: of the daft On Draft podcast and he also does

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Speaker 1: an NFL Draft All twenty two on Patreon, and he

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Speaker 1: joined my self and Jeffrey Gorman and we dive into

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Speaker 1: the rise and fall of Shador Sanders and whether that

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Speaker 1: is real or not, and also how deep the running

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Speaker 1: back group is as we head into the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five NFL Draft coming up at the end of April.

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Speaker 1: Here again on Inside the Draft with Dalton Miller, the

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Speaker 1: co host of daft On Draft podcast.

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Speaker 2: Joining us now co host of the Draft of Draft podcast,

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Speaker 2: also does the NFL Draft All twenty two on Patreon.

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Speaker 2: We are talking to Dalton Miller. Follow him on Twitter

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Speaker 2: x at Dalton B. Miller. If you want to get

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Speaker 2: ready for this NFL draft, like we do, talk to

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Speaker 2: the best. Welcome in Dalton. How are you?

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Speaker 3: I am fantastic gentlemen. It's good to talk to you, guys.

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Speaker 2: Brother. I got so many questions to start. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we got the cold sangle with this upcoming draft. I

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Speaker 2: got the overall NFL draft, and I want to start there.

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Speaker 2: What is going on with Shador Sanders, stock rising, stock dropping?

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of mock drafts out there that have

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Speaker 3: Yes, so it's really interesting. Me and my podcast partner

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Speaker 3: have gone through. We've been very steadfast the entire time.

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Speaker 3: We believe that he's quarterback one and that has a

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Speaker 3: lot more to do with I think our skepticism of

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Speaker 3: does anything to do with Shadur. I think that this

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Speaker 3: the Kenny Pickett class. I don't think outside of Shadur,

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Speaker 3: Sanders and cam Ward there's even really a sniff of

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Speaker 3: don't think his stock is dropping, which is funny because

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Speaker 3: we've done multiple mock drafts recently between the two of

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Speaker 3: us where he hasn't gone in the first round, and

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Speaker 3: it just kind of comes down to after the first

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Speaker 3: it's hard to find a landing spot for him. I

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Speaker 3: think the Pittsburgh Steelers could possibly be one, but Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: I think that he is just incredibly honest and holds

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Speaker 3: But then you know, you look at mock drafts and

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Speaker 3: it's tough to really know where his stock actually lies.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think he's an incredibly accurate quarterback. I

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Speaker 2: Follow him on Twitter x at Dalton B. Miller getting

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Speaker 2: you ready for the NFL Draft as a whole? What position?

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Speaker 2: The one position is the beefiest, holds the most meat

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Speaker 3: All value is going to be at running back? Oh,

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Speaker 3: there's so much value running back up and down. I honestly,

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Speaker 1: Now, that's one of the things that we heard when

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Speaker 1: But when you look at this draft for the Colts,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and there's no shortage of names in that late

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Speaker 1: Now, one name that has been you know, I seemingly

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Speaker 4: Oh, he is my sixth ranked player in this draft class.

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Speaker 4: He's a freak. And if he is there at fourteen.

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Speaker 3: They should absolutely sprint with Card up there, Absolutely sprint

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Speaker 3: And as a freak athlete like that, it is a

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Speaker 3: Tyler Warren is unbelievable. I could see him going you know,

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Speaker 3: put him at two hundred and sixty pounds in the

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Speaker 2: You can listen to the Draft of Draft podcasts and

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Speaker 2: on Patroons. Dalton Miller at Dalton B. Miller on Twitter X.

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Speaker 2: I need some answers if I could as a football fan,

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Speaker 2: you win games and lose games. We just saw that

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Speaker 2: of this draft, I think it has some meat to it.

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Speaker 2: There is some depth in there. We're seeing some kids

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Speaker 2: third and fourth round that are signing one hundred million

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there is a lot of depth and talent

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Speaker 2: Love this April twenty fourth, the NFL Draft is coming

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Speaker 2: at you. That's Dalton Miller. I want to continue to

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Speaker 2: talk football with you, but sometimes the man is bigger

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Speaker 2: Could you explain that to me? Please?

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Speaker 3: Yes, Me and the wife wanted to live by the beach,

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Speaker 4: I never want to leave.

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Speaker 2: Daldon Miller, you have done what many men and women

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Speaker 2: I'm going to the beach. I don't care if it's

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Speaker 4: Choice absolutely absolutely, Thank you, gentlemen, Thank.

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Speaker 2: You for the time.

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Speaker 4: Dalton Miller.

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Speaker 2: You can follow him on Twitter acts at Dalton B. Miller,

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Speaker 2: and of course he co hosts the Draft of Draft podcast,

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Speaker 2: also does the NFL Draft All twenty two on Patreon.

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Speaker 2: Sure appreciate the time, have a wonderful afternoon in Portugal,

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Speaker 2: and by all means go to the beach for us

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Speaker 2: But thank you for payting a great picture of this

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Speaker 2: upcoming draft.

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Speaker 4: Well, dude, thank you, gentlemen.