1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: It's been here with my co host this week, Sidney Latwaco. Uh. 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: Sidney and I wanted to dedicate this episode to September eleven, 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: UM and the memory of those who sacrifice their lives 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: and also UM served um before then on that day 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: and and for all of us since then. Some of 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: your listeners I know are currently in the military and 7 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: are so our veterans, and we just want to say 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, I just want to take the moment 9 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: to pause and out of our busy days, even though 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: we're listening to this podcast, just to remember what happened 11 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: all those years ago, and remember where we are today 12 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: and honor those that have fallen. So we hope. Uh. 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: This podcast not only breaks down pattern and paradise, but 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: it also during afterwards and uh, in any moment that 15 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: you take a step back, sit down and thank those 16 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: who have given so much up for the life that 17 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: we get to live. So thank you, thank you. Let's 18 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: get started. This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost 19 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: Famous podcast with our radio. This week, like most weeks, 20 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: we're bringing you two very special episodes, and this week 21 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: we thought we'd do something different. We're gonna have Ashley. 22 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: As you heard on the first episode of Batchel in Paradise, 23 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: and they're gonna split up time and bringing guests from 24 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: each episode to help us co host, just so we 25 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: get a clear picture of what is actually going on 26 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: in the beach. On the beach, in the beach, whatever 27 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: you do on the beach. And this week, as you 28 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: heard the Giggles, my lovely, very likable and long standing 29 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: Batchel in Paradise contestant this season, Sydney is my co host. Hey, 30 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: Sydney Dinks Man, I'm excited to be here. Sydney, I 31 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: have no clue how to say your last name. Let's walkot. 32 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: You could say like Taco. That's usually my nickname. People 33 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: usually get around and just call me Taco. Yeah, is 34 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: it gonna be weird for this podcast? I call you Taco? 35 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: And we should start. I mean, we're talking about Bachelor 36 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: in Paradise. There was a lot of tacos to be 37 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: had there, so might as well started. Now. You don't 38 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: see okay, and on the Bachelor franchise, it feels like 39 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: you don't see people eating very often. In Paradise. It 40 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: feels like people are eating all the time. Is that 41 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: just something we seem to see or is it actually happening. 42 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: I feel like because on Paradise it's like kind of 43 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: a rolling footage, and in Bachelor it's like you go 44 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: on the day and then you go here and then 45 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: you take a break. Where Bachelor in Paradise you're kind 46 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: of just there all the time and you gotta eat 47 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: so um. Yeah, I think that's why you see us 48 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: eat a lot more. It's a little bit more relaxed, 49 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: I think in Paradise than in like Bachelor World. The 50 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: rumor is that the food in Paradise is really good. 51 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: It is very good, and then they make it for you, 52 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,679 Speaker 1: which is nice to um, and you can kind of 53 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: order your own thing, and there's I guess, like a 54 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 1: secret menu that people we learned as um some old 55 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: cast mates came along, so you kind of like make 56 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: your own whatever you want and get creative towards the end. 57 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: I like the idea of this. Um that's it would 58 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: be dangerous for me. I'm a big chips and salsa 59 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: fame is fire. Paradise would be really bad for me. Hey, 60 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: if anybody's out there listening and going, who the heck 61 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: is Sydney, well you should know, but we should give 62 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: you a little update as well. She's from Virginia, recently 63 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: moved to Los Angeles, California. We'll talk about that. She's 64 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: known uh from Colton Underwood season of The Bachelor. Also, 65 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: she's been on Bachelor in Paradise. She hit it off 66 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: with Mike Johnson and then was interested in Matt Donald. 67 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: Matt Donald, though, chose Bree Barnes as we watched last night, 68 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: and Sydney unfortunately went home. Sydney, let's start here with 69 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: you personally. Yes, you live in Virginia and you've recently 70 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: moved to Los Angeles. What was the thought process? Um? 71 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: I actually figured that I wanted to move to l 72 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: A when I was on Bachelor, because I was living 73 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: in New York at the time, and I had been 74 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: there for like nine years, and I was sitting like 75 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: you just sit around and kind of think about your 76 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: life all day long, and I realized from not being 77 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: in like the rat race of New York and not 78 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: focusing on work, that I was actually unhappy there. And 79 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: it took me going on the show and kind of 80 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: being removed my life to realize that. And then I 81 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, at least I know that when I 82 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: leave the show, no matter what happens, I need to change. 83 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: So l A was that changed for me? What are 84 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: you hoping you get out of l A? Like? What 85 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: are some of those things you you desire from the 86 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: West Coast? Um? I just wanted a new energy. I 87 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: was so over winter, and I think just naturally I'll 88 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: be happy or just one in sunshine. But I also 89 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: I want to keep dancing, I want to keep performing, 90 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: and I want to get more into that world in 91 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: the commercial part of things. So l A is the 92 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: place to do that. And I'm hoping that this will 93 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: be like the rocket ship into the rest of my career. 94 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, good for you. Well, hey, how many people 95 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: do you know? We were talking before the podcast started. 96 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: You're hoping to meet some friends in Los Angeles. How 97 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: is the best way to be friend you in this world? 98 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: You know you can just DM me or in that 99 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: old work, I'm I look at my d m s 100 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: and I will respond. So yeah, let's be friend We 101 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: have the almost famous podcast has a lot of listeners 102 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: in the Los Angeles there, But feeling your dms are 103 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: going to blow up for multiple reasons. As long as 104 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: you're not private, then we can move forward. That was 105 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: the problem for before I was getting like date d 106 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: m s and I was like, well, unless I know 107 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: what you actually look like and you're not a predator, 108 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: I can't tell if you're private. So let's start there. 109 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: It's a good point publicize your step one has your 110 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: d ms just blown up during Paradise. It's always amazing 111 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: to me. You know, we go through the Bachelor, you're 112 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: there for either one week or I don't know, ten weeks, 113 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: but either way, you know, your social media following does increase. 114 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: But it feels like after Paradise it does it Does 115 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: it jump again or is it stay about the same. 116 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: I think it definitely took a jump when I because 117 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: I think you saw me a lot more in Paradise, 118 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: and you get to know people's personalities, and I think 119 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: people get to know you more and kind of feel 120 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: like they can easily talk to you like you know you. Um. Yeah, 121 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: so I definitely had a bump since Paradise, which they've 122 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: all been positive and great. So he doesn't hurt to 123 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: have nice messages, right, especially when you leave the show. Yeah, 124 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: I feel like there's only a few this season are 125 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: probably getting haden on, which brings me to some of 126 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: the main topics Before we break down this week's episode, 127 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about some of the 128 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: main things that have happened this season on Paradise and 129 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: get your perspective on it didn't. I have spoken to 130 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: Blake a few times um as a friend. A lot 131 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: of the stuff I just won't discuss, but one of 132 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: the shocking things that he told me was he and 133 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: you gotta feel for the guy in this moment he 134 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: told me, He's like, hey, everything did not go well, 135 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: Like I made some bad decisions. This is kind of 136 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm summarizing what he told me. I made some bad 137 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: decisions with the Paradise, thinking like it was gonna be okay, 138 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: and it just wasn't like that. That was on me. 139 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: He's like, but the one thing I didn't expect and 140 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: the one thing that hurt the most was watching it 141 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: back and seeing how anti Blake everybody in Paradise was 142 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: because I thought they were my friends, Like I thought 143 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: I had friends, yeah on the beach. From your perspective, 144 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: did he have friends on the beach or did people 145 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: really just not like Blake. I think he definitely had 146 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: friends on the beach. I just think that as more 147 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: started to come out. People were like, oh, maybe this 148 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: guy is lying to us, And I think everyone just 149 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: kind of tread treaded lately with him. Um, I mean 150 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: I had, I mean, everyone knew deep down he was 151 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: a great guy, but he just kept making wrong choice 152 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: after wrong choice. So we were all kind of like, dude, 153 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: get your together, essentially. Um. So yeah, I mean I 154 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: was friends with him and I would hear him out, 155 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: but a lot of times he just made a lot 156 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: of bad choices and he I almost think that he 157 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: needed to have left Paradise to really figure out everything 158 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: he needed to, and he kind of just stuck around 159 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: I think, almost too long because it just kept getting worse. Um, 160 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: but you got a hand into him for at least, like, 161 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: you know, sticking it out and um, trying to fix it, 162 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: even though it didn't really work out in the end. 163 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: But I mean he had friends. I think it was 164 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: also hard because we were all friends with Kalin as well, 165 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: and she was giving us a big part of the 166 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: story that he wasn't giving us. So it was trying 167 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: us trying to figure out like who to listen do 168 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: and who's side to take. Essentially. Yeah, it's you know, 169 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: I think for Blake. I wonder if he would agree, 170 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: but I agree with you. It's like, all right, Blake, 171 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: he made a mistake. I don't think at your core 172 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: you're an intentionally bad human, Like you didn't go into 173 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: this to like hurt everybody in your weight. But then 174 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: it just did feel like this whole season of Paradise, 175 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: every decision he made was like the wrong, like there's 176 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 1: a right or wrong, Like he had a path in 177 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: front of you just seems like he just kept going 178 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,599 Speaker 1: down the wrong path and then the wrong path, and 179 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: then they're wrong path, and it just he couldn't get 180 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: out of it. I think because he was just trying 181 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: to protect what he is image used to be in 182 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: like what he had before, where he needed to almost 183 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: start from like ground zero and build up, and said 184 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 1: he was like trying to get back to where he was, 185 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: like kept trying to climb, but get kept getting like 186 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: pushed off. So yeah, he just needed to rebuild, but 187 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: he was trying to like start from the middle. You 188 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: have a big storyline this season, said you was you 189 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: and Mike Johnson. You guys hit it off. You had 190 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: something now that ended a few weeks ago. My question 191 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: for you is it should or how would you feel 192 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: about Mike Johnson be the next Bachelor? I think he 193 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: I mean, I have so much respect for Mike and 194 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: we didn't get there obviously, but I think he would 195 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: make a wonderful bachelor. And I think that he would 196 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: be refreshing or refreshing bachelor. We haven't seen someone of 197 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: color yet. And not only is he that, but he 198 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: also is this like extreme light of a person. He's respectful, 199 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: he is fun, He has a smile of like the 200 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: best smile I've ever seen. I think he'd make a 201 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: great bachelor. What are like his best qualities? So we 202 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: didn't get to see a lot of them, and uh, 203 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: come off of the Bachelor. I was a Mike Johnson's 204 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 1: supporter for Bachelor, and then I said, hey, you know, 205 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: I haven't seen a lot of them in Paradise. I haven't. 206 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: I'm not invested into a story right now. So I 207 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: get why you know he could be a bachelor still, 208 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: But I don't know if he's the top choice. I 209 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: don't know Mike Johnson anymore. Sydney. You got to know 210 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: very well. What are some of his best qualities? He 211 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: has the biggest heart of I think anyone on that beach. Um, 212 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: he also has like he said this about me, but 213 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: he has extreme, like amazing core values and he is 214 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 1: like just a fun guy to be around. And he 215 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,719 Speaker 1: wasn't there to like be on TV. He was there 216 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: to actually build a relationship and he represented that, I think, 217 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: and I found the most refreshing because I think the 218 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: problem with this season is a lot of us are 219 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: not a lot of us, but a lot of people 220 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: came onto the beach kind of with a plan for 221 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: themselves that didn't always pan out, where Mike was just 222 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: trying to be there for the experience of finding someone 223 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: for him to take outside of Paradise and be with. 224 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: So he was refreshing and that in that crazy beach. 225 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: I wonder, who do you think, Like, I wonder if 226 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: doing that kind of happening that mindset, which is what 227 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: you'd hope, would be the right mindset. Um I get. 228 00:10:58,280 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you come on this to try 229 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: to build relationship and find a relationship. I wonder if 230 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: that does better when you're the Bachelor or on the 231 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: Bachelor than it does in Paradise, because Paradise feels like 232 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: you need to be really assertive really on top of it. 233 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: It stresses me out because one week you're in love 234 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: and two days later somebody's walking down the stairs and 235 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: they take your love interest on a date. Like that. 236 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: Stuff doesn't sit well with me. And what do you 237 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: think do you think like maybe that mindset of hey, 238 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: I'm here to commit to search to find and then 239 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: if that doesn't work out, leave, do you think that 240 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 1: works out well in Paradise? I mean that was the 241 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: mindset I came into. Um. I think this is just 242 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 1: like depends on the person and what you are on 243 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: the show. For I wasn't there too um b S 244 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: and I wanted I was there to find a relationship 245 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: and I unfortunately didn't. I don't know. I think that 246 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: no matter what, you have to be aggressive in that 247 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: world too. And like obviously there's plus pluses to being 248 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: on the show and things come out of it. But 249 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: I think for me at least and for people like Mike, 250 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 1: I think that having an authentic experience is better than 251 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: trying to fabricate whatever um end goal you're trying to get. 252 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: But I mean, to each their own right, Like Paradise 253 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: is there's no roles and you can kind of do 254 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 1: whatever you want. Um, I guess choose how you're going 255 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,599 Speaker 1: to operate and that very interesting environment. Speaking of to 256 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: each their own, then why didn't you and Mike work out? 257 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 1: I mean, you have like really good things to say 258 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: about him. Um, it felt like it was a good relationship. Um. 259 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: You know, one of my biggest complaints this season about Paradises, 260 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: I don't feel like I am able to see why 261 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: couples work and why couples don't work aside. Yeah, they've 262 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: been pushing aside. So I think everybody would be asking 263 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: if you if you think so highly of them, what happened? Um? 264 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: I think for whatever reason, Mike and I we connected 265 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: a lot, but we were on different pages as far 266 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: as where our relationship was. He was moving faster than 267 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: I was, and I wanted to. I kept pushing myself 268 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: to kind of meet him where he was at. Um, 269 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: because after he went on the day with Calin, he 270 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: kind of like be lined for me and like right 271 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: into like pursuing me. And it kind of was like 272 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: abrupt for me at first, because I was like, oh, 273 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: I thought you liked Kitlan, like you took her out. 274 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 1: I was a little confused, so I was kind of 275 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: just like playing catch up and um, I just couldn't 276 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: fully get there, and I out of respect for him, 277 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: and I know, like what he's looking for and what 278 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: he came here for. I was like, I don't want 279 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: to hold you back anymore, which is essentially why we 280 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: um kind of broke things off because he went to 281 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: the wedding with christ and Crystal and he had talked 282 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: to Angela and a couple of people that he was 283 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: interested in, and he had told me about it, and 284 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: I was like, well, it sounds like your heart's being 285 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: pulled in that direction. And he felt like he finally 286 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 1: was himself when he went to that wedding and was 287 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: able to get out of his head. And I was like, 288 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to hold anyone back and I want 289 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: I don't want you to feel like you're not yourself 290 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: around me. So we kind of just like parted ways. 291 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: We had a conscious uncoupling, if you for other better terms. Yeah. Yeah, 292 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: it was like it was a kind breakup which mutual 293 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 1: doesn't always happened on Paradise, and especially doesn't always happen 294 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: as we get farther to the end, Hey, Sydney, I'm 295 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: gonna ask you a question, and then what we're gonna 296 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 1: do is We're gonna take a break to talk about 297 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: some of our great sponsors, and then when we come 298 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: back from the break, I'm gonna have you answer the 299 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: question so you get a little time to think about it. Sydney, 300 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: what was one or two or three or maybe eight 301 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,599 Speaker 1: things that happened in Paradise that we haven't seen or 302 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: have not seen on the show that was exciting, intriguing, weird, different, funny, whatever, 303 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: Just some stories that the viewers didn't get to see. 304 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: Sydney will come back and answer that question in just 305 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: one second, but first, let's take a break. Sydney is 306 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: co hosting me. Well, let's go our taco. I feel 307 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: like I want to see your first and last name, 308 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: and uh, it's just gonna get really weird if I did. 309 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It's it's not good of me, It really isn't. 310 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: I just let me try, Let me try one time, 311 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: low twa. Yeah, there you go, taco. Um. Sidney was 312 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: once again one of the favorites in Paradise this year. 313 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: We saw her go home this week. We'll get to 314 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: talk about that in a second, but before we do, 315 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: I've asked Sydney, what are some stories from Paradise that 316 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: we didn't can see his viewers that we would have 317 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: liked the scene or that she would have liked been 318 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: shown Sydney. Do you have an answer? Yeah? I have 319 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: a few. Um One, everything that Mike and I talked about, 320 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: I feel like it would have been a refreshing um 321 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: part of Paradise where you actually saw, like, um, a 322 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: good relationship building and to human beings trying to connect 323 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: in this insane type of environment and actually being there 324 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: for the reasons I think Paradise is ultimately trying to 325 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: create UM. Also, there's just like funny moments throughout UM. 326 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: There is a moment where Nicole and I were teaching 327 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: JPJ how to dance, and we taught him like some 328 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: like hair flips and all kinds of wild moves. H 329 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: he is a one. He's like an alien honestly, but 330 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: he's pretty funny to watch dance. That was really really funny. 331 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you saw a lot of moments of JPJ, 332 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: But there's millions more. Can you thank you for answer 333 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: that question? And I want to kind of fallow up 334 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: on that. Our listeners have been emailing us like crazy 335 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: and tweeting us, and then you know, Ashley and I 336 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: have talked about it a few times now. I met 337 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: JPJ once at the wedding. He was super nice. He 338 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: came up to me, he shook my hand, he said hello. 339 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: He made me feel welcome to a show that I 340 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: wasn't on. But we watch it back and it felt 341 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: like JPJ had like two weeks of breaking down, Like 342 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: it wasn't the JPJ that we knew and fell in 343 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: love with. What happened? Do you have any insight into 344 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: why all the things changed? This is what I didn't happened. 345 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: I think he fell in love with Tasha and didn't 346 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: know what to do with himself, and then I didn't 347 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: know how to express those emotions. I also think he 348 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: was being respectful to her because she's more of a 349 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: private person, and I think they had private moments together 350 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: where she didn't really want to have the whole beach 351 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: knowing about their relationship. So I think he was trying 352 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: to essentially keep them a secret or like keep them 353 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: to each other. And then he started seeing Derek kind 354 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: of come swoop in and on Tasia and start like 355 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: having um a relationship kind of build with her, and 356 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: I think he got overwhelmed and just kind of reacted 357 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: and we all saw how that ended up happening. Yeah, 358 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: you know, that's that's a good point. It's a good 359 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: lesson for all of us. Love makes us do some 360 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: crazy things. It truly does. And JPJ was legitimately you 361 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: believe in love with Taia. I think over heels sold out. 362 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: I think it was unexpected for him, and I think 363 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: he didn't know how to handle those emotions. And I 364 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: think he was there for fun and didn't expect anything 365 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,719 Speaker 1: to come out of it and then fell head over 366 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: heels for Tasia. It's one of the best. You gave 367 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: us the best explanation for what happened. Then we've heard yet. 368 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: My thought is this, I wonder and I have no 369 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: clue Jpj's love story. You might, you know, I remember 370 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: if we go back. I don't know how many times 371 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: JPJ has been in love in his life, But if 372 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 1: you go back to like middle school, right, I don't 373 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: know if it changes from middle school to when you're thirty. 374 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: That first love, like when it hits you, it hits 375 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: you hard, and it makes you do weird things like 376 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: it does make you cry at unexpected moments, it makes 377 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,239 Speaker 1: you text somebody thirty times a day. You call them 378 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: at every moment you get a chance to. You worry 379 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: about them every second. Like that first love, at least 380 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,959 Speaker 1: for me, like shook me, shook me bad. I mean, 381 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: do you think that's what happened? Was it his first love? 382 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: I think so. I mean, you know, I remember talking 383 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: to him at the beginning and he had mentioned like 384 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: a girlfriend in college that he dated all through college. 385 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: It sounded like they might have been in love, but 386 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: not the way that he was in love with Titia. Um, yeah, 387 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: so I think it. I think it's exactly what you 388 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: just described. He kind of just lost control and couldn't 389 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: control his emotions and how he was reacting. And I 390 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: think that's because he was. He was in love. Love 391 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: does like love is as a really powerful deal, isn't 392 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: that Where we watched the show, We've asked it a 393 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: few times, like do you watch it for the drama 394 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: or do you do watch it for the love? And 395 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: last week we asked that question to our listeners and 396 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: they mostly came back with the drama, which is a 397 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: little bit unfortunate. But I do think the love is 398 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: the thing that keeps us watching, right that happy ending 399 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: after going through all the ups and downs that you 400 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: do watching these seasons. So yeah, I think that that's 401 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: the end goal of everything, and we're all rooting for 402 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: love beautiful look at us, Hey, um Sydney. We're going 403 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: to dive into the show now and what happened in 404 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: this week's episode, and it just happens to be that. 405 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: I think the very first thing we should talk about 406 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: is what's led up to this moment in this week, 407 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: and that's your relationship with Matt Donald. Um. Hey, Matt 408 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: has been really great to me. He messaged me on 409 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: Instagram and said he's a listener to the podcast and 410 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: he appreciates the nice thing said. And I think Matt 411 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: Donald seems like the type of guy that you would 412 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: love to take home to your parents, to your grandpa, arnts, 413 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: that you love to take to any situation, and he's 414 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: going to be great in it. Um. I think I 415 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: talked about last week. I think the whole like bring 416 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: up mom thing was a little bit much. I love 417 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: my mom. He really loved his mom, Like Sidney, you know, 418 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: break it down a little bit for us. Leading up 419 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: to this moment. Matt obviously had two wonderful women that 420 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: were both interested in him. He was doing this while 421 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: sabotaging himself by talking to about his mom and every 422 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: romantic sense, what told you to this guy? What made 423 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: you like him so much? And then I also want 424 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: you to like pick out him a little bit. He's fine, 425 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: he's heard me doing He still thank me for saying 426 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: he's a nice guy, because he is. I think he's 427 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: a great guy. But he's a good sport. He's a 428 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: good sport about this. But why did he talk about 429 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: his mom? Here's my thing with Matt. Yeah, Matt Donald, 430 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: he I think when he's a fan of the show. Um, 431 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: he came into it as a super fan of pantiler Nation, 432 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: so that kind of sunden behind. And he had only 433 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: been on Hannah's season for one night and he got 434 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: sent home. So he came into the end of Paradise. 435 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: All of us had been there a while, Plus all 436 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: of us had been on the show before. We were 437 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: used to the camera, as we were used to being 438 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: around each other. We're used to just kind of like 439 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: letting it all hang out, especially at that point, and 440 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: he was just so concerned about every little detail that 441 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: was going to come out of his mouth or how 442 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: he's going to be portrayed, and he kept being afraid 443 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: he was going to be the villain, and I was like, Babe, 444 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: there's no way that you as a person could ever 445 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: be the villain. I like, you just need to calm 446 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: down and be yourself. But he couldn't do it. So 447 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: I felt almost like I felt connected to him because 448 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: I just felt really like felt for him, and I 449 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: wanted him to have this experience because I I felt 450 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: similar to him when I went on Batchelor. I was 451 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: just like concerned for how I'd be portrayed and like 452 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: being afraid of saying the wrong things. But I learned 453 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: really quickly that no, as long as you're not like 454 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: a bad person, essentially you're going to be fine. And um, 455 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: he couldn't get past that, and then he was just 456 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: I guess his mom must give a crazy speech before 457 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: hes because he would not stop bringing up his mom. 458 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I can't really get um in 459 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: an intimate place with you if you keep talking about 460 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: your mom, so let's like try to move on. But nope, 461 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: it is funny. I mean, I get it. I talked 462 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,479 Speaker 1: about last week, you know it was brought up. Hey, 463 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: he'd only been there a night before. He wasn't comfortable yet. 464 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: I get the idea of I remember the first time 465 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: I watched it with my whole family, my grandparents and 466 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: uh and everything, and my grandma was watching me make 467 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: out on TV. Like it isn't it's not something I 468 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: desire or necessarily want. But if you're gonna go on 469 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: the show, you got to get over it quickly exactly 470 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: like you're there, you signed up for it. You and 471 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: he knew what the show was. He watched it every 472 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: week with his mom, So I just don't understand why 473 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: you struggled so much. But yeah, I mean, he's a sweet, 474 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,959 Speaker 1: simple soul Matt Donald. Was he endearing like, I mean, 475 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: obviously you and Bree both found him at some level, 476 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: like you're attracted to him, You're to him. Was in 477 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: like was his worries and fears and daring um. At 478 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: first it was endearing, but towards like a few days, 479 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, come on, dude, like we only have 480 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 1: so much time here, like don't waste it, Like let's 481 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: make the most of it. And I think he started 482 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: to get there towards the end, and and then he 483 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: got again in his head when he realized he was 484 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: now in a love triangle and didn't was so concerned 485 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: with like how our feelings, which was like very sweet, 486 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: but I was like, dude, we also signed up for that, 487 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: like knowing that we're all dating multiple people, like we're 488 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: gonna be okay. Like he almost felt like he was 489 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: blake in this situation where he was doing all the 490 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: stage coach things but actually didn't do much besides like 491 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: kiss each of us after we had to basically do 492 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: it ourselves. So, oh man, if there's one, I mean, 493 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: this is almost humorous. And Matt, I hope you listen 494 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: to this episode because you have a guy, let's say, 495 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: like Dean, and Dean is one of my best friends 496 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: I loved and he's a good dude. But we know 497 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: Dean right, He's a little bit confused, he's a hard time, 498 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: but he's like super like he is super charming. He 499 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 1: is very honest. So Dean does not like really lie. 500 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: He knows like what he wants. He says it even 501 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: if it's like the worst possible thing to say in 502 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: the moment. And him and a love Dean in the 503 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: love triangle, I don't know if he can handle it, 504 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: Like he's not made for it. I don't know if 505 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: anybody is. But he like navigates it, and it's like 506 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: it gets messy because he navigates it so well and 507 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: he like can bring everybody along with him. But Matt 508 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: Donald in a love triangle is like literally like humorous, 509 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: like he's sunny. Yeah, it's like he's done, Like he's overwhelmed. Yeah, 510 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 1: he would be drowning. I know there'd be points where 511 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: like I was sitting besides him and then Bree was 512 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: on the other side, and he would just sit there 513 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: like twiddling his thumbs. He couldn't even talk. It was 514 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: it was rough. Well, okay, rough, We're gonna bring it 515 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: in here Matt Donald talks about his mom. Uh, you 516 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: are pushing him to try to get physical in some 517 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: type of way, even with a kiss. It a funny 518 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: kind of like pulled out scene, and all of a sudden, 519 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: the kiss happens and it flashes back to a moment 520 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: we're earlier this season, you mentioned that Colton Underwood was 521 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: a bad kisser, and it was agreed upon by I 522 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: don't know one or two other people there on the beach, 523 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: and it became a storyline, a headline. Um afterwards. All right, 524 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: First off, who's a better kisser, Matt Donald or Colton? 525 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: I will just say that there was more behind Matt 526 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: Donald's kisses than there were Colton's. What do you mean 527 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: by this? I think everybody owes a little bit more explanation. Yeah, 528 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: not to like kiss and tell, but to kiss and tell. Um. 529 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: I just think Coleton one, he was a virgin, which 530 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: is like we were all fine with that. I just 531 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: don't think there was a lot of passion behind the 532 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: kisses he was giving us, which too, like, I mean, 533 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 1: he didn't like us, so that could have been why 534 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: those kisses were not that passionate. Um, they weren't messy, 535 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: so they were clean cuts, not really passionate kisses. So 536 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: that could have been a lot of different elements. Um. Yeah, 537 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: for you ever like going home, because I remember during 538 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: might come as a bachelor, there was you know, you 539 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: do start to develop stronger feelings for others pretty soon, 540 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: pretty early on, you start to kind of know who 541 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: you're into it here or not. But then again there's 542 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: always surprises and you try to stay open to it. 543 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: But it is hard. It is really hard to be 544 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: at a cocktail party and you're kissing somebody and you're 545 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: enjoying it, and then somebody else comes around you start 546 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: kissing them and it's like not as good, and then 547 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: somebody else comes around the corner. I mean, it could 548 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: be like five people in one night, like Lazy Towards 549 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: the end of the name, sure, you get tired tongue anymore, 550 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 1: it's so much. And then like as the nights go on, Sydney, 551 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if you can relate. I don't want 552 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: to mention any names, but there's like a couple of 553 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: girls that would eat like the snacks and so like 554 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 1: they'd have like the little hot dog rolls, and then 555 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: at the end of the night, like after four hours 556 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: of champagne and hot dog rolls, their breath is not awesome, 557 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: Like it is not fantastic. Mind is it probably either? 558 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: But then we're still kissing because it's the time that 559 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: we have. It's all we've using it wisely. Um, I 560 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: will say Colton has very good breath, which was at 561 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: least nice. Yeah, I could see that. There's a lot 562 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,719 Speaker 1: of things that go into it. I think ultimately, Golden 563 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: and I just were in a match and it came 564 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: across in our kisses. So yeah, not to harp on 565 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: him anymore, but it just wasn't for me. It's fine, 566 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: it was it was something that brought attention, that that 567 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: brought its own attention, and even Colton tweeted about it, 568 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: talked about it, Catty tweeted about talked about it. I 569 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: think they laughed it off. I mean, if I'm Cassie, 570 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: I'm looking back at it and going I'm glad he 571 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: wasn't a good kisser to you because it's better for me. 572 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: But it's still it comes with its own you know, 573 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: when you're the bachelor, comes with its own criticism. How 574 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: good of a kisser you are? Uh, definitely gets talked about. However, 575 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: I don't think it ever got brought up with me, 576 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: meaning I probably wasn't. So you're killing it and the 577 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: kisses kissing de firement. I don't think I was, Like 578 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: I think I was so bad. You were like, yeah, 579 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,239 Speaker 1: we're not gonna talk about it, like, yeah, let's beat 580 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: the guy up. Anyways. Okay, so Matt Donald and you 581 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: have your kiss. Sparks are flying, at least you think so. 582 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: And then we get to the rows ceremony and you 583 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 1: go home. How do you know? Um, Yeah, that last 584 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: road ceremony was pretty crucial for me and Matt to 585 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: ever push anything any further for like forward. Um, I 586 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: remember when Chris came in and was like, okay, so 587 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: cocktail parties canceled, figure your out and let's let's do this, 588 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: and I just again shaw saw Matt immediately shut down 589 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: and just like almost like have an internal freak out. 590 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh God, I don't think he 591 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: knows what he's gonna do. So I remember saying to him, 592 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: I was like, listen, like as we're walking out, and 593 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: I was like, whatever decision you make, like make sure 594 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: it's yours, don't worry about like what your mom's gonna think, 595 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: or like what everyone's gonna think, or like what you 596 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: should do. Just like make it based off of like 597 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: what you want. So I think because I said that, 598 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: maybe it was um it turned to me going home, 599 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: So maybe I shouldn't have said that, but uh yeah, 600 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: but I think he had it coming to him when 601 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: rebroken with him the next day. So so we'll close 602 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: out this storyline and then move on the next. If 603 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: you are around on the beach, do you go to 604 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: the Fantasy Suits with Matt? If I was I think 605 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: that's what's next, right, fantasy Yeah, so if he chooses 606 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: you have a breathe and you're there. Obviously right away 607 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: broke up with him and said, hey, I don't think 608 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: we're feeling each other. What do you do if you're 609 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: in her situation? Um? Actually, I don't know that I 610 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: would have gone to fantasy suits with him, just because 611 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: he was so torn and so unsure. And I never 612 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: want to feel like someone's unsure about me, and I 613 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: never want to feel like I'm putting myself into a 614 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: situation where I'm like trying to convince someone to share 615 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: feelings for me. So I probably at that point would 616 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: have gone home myself. Yeah, when stuff gets real, Yeah, 617 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,239 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, crazy stuff starts happening. Um. 618 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: I have one comment to make Breeze a savage like 619 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: that like week or that night or whatever. In this 620 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: episode with Luke going up and being like, yeah, this 621 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: isn't gonna work and then walking back and just standing 622 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: there coman the way she did it and then walk 623 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: back and stood there and confidely stared at him. I 624 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: was like, this girl has major confidence. And also like 625 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: and everybody's laughing, Like I mean I'm laughing at home 626 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: because it's so yeah, very uncomfortable. Laugh Was it that 627 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,719 Speaker 1: uncomfortable in person? Oh, it's horrible, And like no one 628 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: really knew what Luke was going to do with his 629 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,719 Speaker 1: rose anyways, and then it kind of it was kind 630 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: of random that he picked three. We're all kind of like, 631 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: are you kidding? Like, first of all, Bree was in 632 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: this weird love China with that, and then he was like, anyways, Brie, 633 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: you wanna you wanna get out of here? I don't know. Um. Yeah, 634 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: So it was very uncomfortable. I think Luke was just 635 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: kind of floundering around, and I guess he want wanted 636 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: the fault with the supermodel as well. I didn't turn 637 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: out for him either. Super I mean, hey, Bree is 638 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: a supermodel. I don't know what like her status is 639 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: as a model, but we will not use supermodol because 640 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: I've heard it so much. It's just stop yeah, okay, 641 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: um yeah. So then Bree goes to the beach and 642 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: again in the storyline with then she does the same 643 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: thing to Matt confidently asks him to go home Sydney. 644 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: There's a few moments during this show when you know 645 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: one of the major questions we always get asked by listeners, 646 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: uh and friends and fans, is is the show what 647 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: it looks like on TV? And my my response is 648 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: always yes, it's it's obviously cut down and it's it's condensed. 649 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: But for the most part, when I watch it back, 650 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: I at least when I'm on the season's I feel like, 651 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: you know, that's what happened. And when I've been there, 652 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: there's a few moments when you're a contestant, uh, that 653 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: you're sitting there and something is happening, similar to the 654 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: Bree breaking up with Luke thing, and you go, this 655 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: is what people pay big money to watch, and I 656 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: have a front row seat, and it's awkward and it's weird, 657 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: but I'm here. Is that how that felt? I mean, 658 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: it's just like pure entertainment at its finest. Plus you're 659 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: just like exhausted and just been there forever, so you 660 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: you're just looking for things to entertain you. And I 661 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: mean that was, even though really sad to watch, it 662 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: was pretty entertaining. You see a lot of them a 663 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: couple that is not breaking up. And I want to 664 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: move on to next is the Demi and Christian storyline, 665 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: So give a little background information. Uh, we're doing all 666 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: these little summaries because the episodes are winding down. Uh, 667 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: Demmi had a relationship with Derek, mentions that she's in 668 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: love with somebody um back home. Christian comes to the 669 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: beach and romance flies. But they have their own issues 670 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: and their own things to work through, just like any 671 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: couple does. And on this episode we really start to 672 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: see all of it kind of coming to an head, 673 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: like these really tough conversations are getting done. After seeing 674 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: them on the Beach Sydney, you know, I definitely understand 675 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: where Dimmi's coming from. I I can't relate because I 676 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: have never had the confidence, um or the courage to 677 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: do what she's done. But but I am not interested 678 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: in the same sex, so I can't relate with what 679 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: she did, But I can imagine a little bit. I 680 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: think we all can of how difficult it would be 681 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: to come out, especially on nationally TV. So there is 682 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: some worries on Demmy's part about p d A and 683 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: of what people are gonna think and how people are 684 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: gonna feel. What's your perspective on the whole thing after 685 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: watching them on the Beach Date for so long? Yeah, 686 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the thing with Demi and Christian 687 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: is like, ultimately the show is about finding love and 688 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: trying to be your most authentic self while you do that. 689 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: And I think with Demi finally deciding and realizing that 690 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: Christian was that person for her, that she was being 691 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: true to herself finally, and she was there to make 692 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: that connection happen and to really see it like through. 693 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: And I think Paradise is a perfect place to do that. 694 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: You have so much time time on your hands. You're 695 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: not worrying about work, your phone, emails, anything, You're just 696 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: sitting there and you're literally working on your relationship. So 697 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: even though it's this huge platform and it's like a 698 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: difficult and very vulnerable thing to do, it's almost like 699 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: one of the best places its places to do it 700 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 1: because that's what your main focus is and you can 701 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: really hash things out. So then by the time you 702 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 1: get into the real world where they're all these eyes 703 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: on you, you can kind of just be confident within 704 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: each other and just go forth and like hopefully have 705 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: a successful relationship together. I also found it just refreshing. 706 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I mean, coming into this the beach, 707 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: did you realize how much time you're gonna have to 708 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: actually explore relationships. We see something that we never hurt 709 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,280 Speaker 1: here in the real world, which is it's awkward sometimes 710 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: to hear, but it's a statement. We had a really 711 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: great conversation. I think it happened this week. Somebody said, 712 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 1: we had a really great conversation. Now I didn't know 713 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: if I'm going to propose to or not. It's like, wow, 714 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: like great conversation. But there's obviously these great conversations going 715 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: on for weeks and weeks and weeks, and you do 716 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: when you're here during this week of Paradise, you do 717 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: feel like you know these relationships well. And Christian and 718 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: Demi are starting to get to know each other really well. 719 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: Probably yeah, I think you're getting to the meet of 720 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: your relationships. It's not like out in the world you 721 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: kind of do this like dating dance, where you're you 722 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: do the whole show and tell and you take them 723 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: on these fancy days and you like try to be 724 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: your best self. Where Paradise you're kind of like your 725 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: true self and that you have no option but to 726 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: just like see if that works for you, if that 727 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: person as themselves is what you want in your life. 728 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: And it kind of just like takes away all the 729 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 1: fluff and you help. It helps you to figure out 730 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: like if this truly if this person is truly for you, 731 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: and if it's going to work outside of this the 732 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: there's an interesting parallel um between Matt Donald and Christian. 733 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,800 Speaker 1: And so Matt Donald had been on the show for 734 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: one night and then he shows up to Paradise and 735 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: it's all new to him, right, He's like, holy cow, 736 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: I don't know this how this works. I don't know 737 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: how to date. And then you have Christian, who has 738 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: never been on the show before, who fell in love 739 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 1: with somebody on the show. And I think I would say, 740 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 1: is kind enough who loves Demmy enough to say I'll 741 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: go to the beach for you, like I'll do this 742 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: because of our relationship and what what it will mean 743 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 1: to you to be here without any experience. And she 744 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 1: dives right in like she's the one kind of coaching 745 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: Demi how to be intimate. She's coaching Demi how to 746 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: express feelings. She's also you know, she's so dove in 747 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: that Demmi is even like you're flirting with everybody, Like 748 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: if you're too nice to everybody, did you feel that 749 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,280 Speaker 1: on the beach, there was there ever awkwardness with Christian 750 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: or she just a total like player, Like not players 751 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: the worst word to use their like did she just 752 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: totally dive in and and soaking in. No, she was 753 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: simply there to be with Demi, and I think we 754 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: all kind of needed her energy on the beach, especially 755 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: at the end of things. She is the chilliest person ever, 756 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: and I think we all saw how she is able 757 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: to ground Demi, where Demi is like this huge character 758 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: and she's awesome and funny and hilarious, but like she 759 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: brings Demi down to earth in the best way. And 760 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: I think that we all love seeing that. And Christian 761 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: is just like so easy to talk to you. And 762 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: she was also this like nice piece of reality that 763 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,399 Speaker 1: we were all missing after being there for a month, 764 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: So we all kind of welcomed her with like arms 765 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: wide open at that point. It's a storyline that I 766 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: can't wait to see continue to play out. It is, Hey, 767 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, like this is game changing, like this 768 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: obviously like this, you know, we know watching this show, 769 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: there's moments, you know. Last year was some of the 770 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: religion talk and some of the God talk and then 771 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: you know, then it became Hannah's you know her the 772 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: sex talk this year, uh, this season, Like this is 773 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: a moment that's bigger than the show, Um and Christian 774 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: and Demmi, I feel like I have done. I'm watching 775 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: it as I'm a fan, like I'm watching this fan, 776 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: I have no clue. As a fan I'm watching I'm 777 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: going they've communicated and prepped themselves for what's going to 778 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: happen next, like once the show ends really well because 779 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 1: of the time spent to get me in Paradise. Yeah, 780 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: I think I agree. Yeah, I think that's what we 781 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: all knew. It's like this is bigger than all of us. 782 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: Even Derek said that that, like, not only are they 783 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: being true themselves in their relationship, but they're going to 784 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: be able to show a true, like girl on girl 785 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: relationship that not a lot of people have seen, especially 786 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: watching the show. And I think it's refreshing and I 787 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: think it's what like America and the world kind of 788 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 1: needs to see. And I think they're doing a beautiful 789 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 1: job of showing that and really working through their issues. 790 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: And I think that after Paradise, they are going to 791 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: have this strong unit that they can go out into 792 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,320 Speaker 1: the world and just be this like light and be 793 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: able to like show what a true relationship is, no 794 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: matter like whether that's man, woman, woman, woman anything, they're 795 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: just like what we're all looking for. Ultimately, at the 796 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: end of the day, love is the answer. Sydney, we 797 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,280 Speaker 1: have a couple really successful couples to talk about outside 798 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: of christian In Demi. Um. We're going to finish this 799 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: by saying, I'm just gonna mention and if you have 800 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: anything to add on these couples, please chime in, like 801 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: anything interesting that you think the listeners would love to hear. Um. 802 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: But after the rose ceremony, Lucas goes home. Never happened before. 803 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: We talked about it at the very beginning of Paradise. 804 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 1: What would happen if somebody turned down the rose? Like 805 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: what goes on then? And what we found out was 806 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: that the question that gets brought up, does anybody want 807 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 1: to be with this dude? Yeah? No, going home? So 808 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:27,280 Speaker 1: Luke s is going home? Uh you? Hay and Hayley 809 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: both had the opportunity and rev All had the opportunity 810 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: to accept his rose and just stick around. But at 811 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: that point it's coming so close to me and you're 812 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: probably thinking there's no point, right, Yeah. No, if that 813 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,760 Speaker 1: was what any of us wanted to have um grown 814 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 1: something with, we would have done it already. So at 815 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: that point and we're like why starting out, I don't know, 816 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: No one wants rose right, no, And it's like kind 817 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 1: of like, I wonder what happened if maybe you, for example, 818 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,320 Speaker 1: I didn't nowhere raise your hand, like, yeah, I'll take it. Whatever. 819 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: Why what was about Lucas where he didn't just didn't connect? 820 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,280 Speaker 1: Why were you into this guy? He is really great 821 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:14,800 Speaker 1: he I think he's one of those to start. I 822 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: think he's one of those conspiracy theorist people, and he 823 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 1: kind of came into Paradise with like these ideas of 824 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,839 Speaker 1: what it was and what like he's being portrayed as, 825 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: and like, I think he just needed to chill out 826 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,839 Speaker 1: a little bit. I think he's a great guy, du down. 827 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: I just think he was I don't know, trying to 828 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: fabricate this experience, especially at the end. It was a 829 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 1: little tough for him too, because he couldn't start from 830 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,840 Speaker 1: like zero, He was kind of starting from like way behind. 831 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,919 Speaker 1: And yeah, he just didn't do great in Paradise. Yeah, 832 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: it wasn't his thing, even his like social media like 833 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 1: commentsing cap you know, just look, it's too much pull back, 834 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:53,400 Speaker 1: like a lot for you. You're good. Yeah, exactly. So 835 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: Lucas goes home, Rev goes home. We don't see a 836 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: lot of her. Um, she tries it, she gives it 837 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,879 Speaker 1: her best shot, but it's just not for her. One 838 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: of my favorite people who I do not get to 839 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 1: talk to anymore, but who was on the season of 840 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: The Bachelor with me is Haley Ferguson. Um, Haley, you know, 841 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: I felt like I tried hard to find relationship. It 842 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,320 Speaker 1: didn't work out for her. She kind of bounced around, 843 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: not because she wanted to, just because it's kind of 844 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: the cards that she was dealt. And then ultimately she 845 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: goes home. Haley just didn't. There just wasn't anybody there 846 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: for her, Like the JPJ saying, seemed like it could work, 847 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 1: and then there just wasn't anybody else. I was proud 848 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 1: of her though, because that was the first time she's 849 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 1: ever done the show without her twin, So it was 850 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 1: like the first time her stepping out on like on 851 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,479 Speaker 1: her own, and she gave it her all, and yeah, 852 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 1: she just kind of came in too late, I think, 853 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,440 Speaker 1: but she gave it a good showing, Like I think 854 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,319 Speaker 1: she she for doing it without her sister, who I think. 855 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: I do think that was a big deal for her. 856 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 1: I think she did really well. She was honest, she 857 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 1: was vulnerable, Um, she tried and she pursued people. So 858 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, you say, Haley, 859 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 1: good job, like you give it your best exactly. I 860 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,800 Speaker 1: think that's what Paradise you have to do. It's like, 861 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: if you're going to be there, be there and like 862 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 1: give it your all, talk to everyone, figure out what 863 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: you want, figure out like what works for you, and 864 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 1: if not, like you can at least leave knowing that 865 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 1: you did everything that you could. Don't go there and 866 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 1: just like get a cocktail and chill on the beach, 867 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: because it's like, why are you there? Yeah, don't want 868 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: don't waste your time, No waste other people's time. And 869 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 1: I don't think she did any of that. So you're 870 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,360 Speaker 1: taking up space and and you definitely didn't take up space. 871 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 1: You had a great showing on Paradise. You were a 872 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: blast to watch, not only because of the way you 873 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,719 Speaker 1: handled really difficult situations, but because of your grace and 874 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 1: your interests and your curiosity and the way you coached 875 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: a lot of people through some really difficult things happening. Uh, Sydney, 876 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,320 Speaker 1: I give you an A plus your effort because that 877 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,919 Speaker 1: feels like you you tried hard, you just did great 878 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,320 Speaker 1: in Paradise. Feels like you're playground and I hope we 879 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 1: can see you there again. We'll still be single, but 880 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 1: we'll see. That's a good point. Yeah, I'll see if 881 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 1: I figured out. A couple other couples that stayed together 882 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,320 Speaker 1: during the road cere Money but ended quickly after the 883 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison comes in Um and talks about it being 884 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 1: the last week of Paradise or the Paradise is ending 885 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 1: in a sense, and he asked the couples to make 886 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 1: the decision if they're gonna stay or if they're gonna go. 887 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 1: Chase and Angela decided to break it off. JPJ and 888 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: Tasha surprisingly surprisingly break it off. Tasha is the one 889 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: that pushes for it. Were you shocked? Um? That was 890 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 1: what that one was going to go either way for me? Um, 891 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,719 Speaker 1: I think that I've never like I said this on 892 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 1: the show, I've never seen her laugh like that. I've 893 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 1: never been seeing her so happy around someone as she 894 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 1: was around JPJ. So for me, as her friend, I 895 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: wanted her. I want her to be happy. But the 896 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: thing with this experience is that it's it's like a 897 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 1: summer romance, and then you kind of have to get 898 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,359 Speaker 1: to the end of summer literally and you're like, Okay, now, 899 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:10,800 Speaker 1: what what is this going to look like in the 900 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: real world? And I think she's been married before, she's 901 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 1: been burned before, she went to the end of Colton season, 902 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 1: and she wants to make sure that something that she 903 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,880 Speaker 1: is going to take outside of this and bring home 904 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 1: to her family again is going to be the exact 905 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,759 Speaker 1: right thing and I just think at that moment, it 906 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: just wasn't fully there for her. I want to have 907 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,440 Speaker 1: a little side discussion. In every week Sydney, we ask 908 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,320 Speaker 1: our listeners UM two questions to respond to on Twitter 909 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,279 Speaker 1: or through email, and we try to read them all 910 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 1: and kind of get their perspective and learn kind of 911 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,040 Speaker 1: where we're at and what they're thinking. Here's the conversation 912 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: this week. It hit me after watching a montage of 913 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 1: JPJ and Tatia during the episode UM. First off, I 914 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,279 Speaker 1: thought the montage was a little confusing. I didn't know 915 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: we were that invested in their story, like I like 916 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 1: their story, but they were trying to pull a tear 917 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 1: out of my eye and I was, I mean, this 918 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,240 Speaker 1: is great, but like, yeah, I'm not feeling it anyways. 919 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: It's interesting to me that with Paradise, you have this 920 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 1: whole time to get to know each other, and it 921 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:13,920 Speaker 1: is it feels like a long time when you're there 922 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,719 Speaker 1: from everything I hear, and you do get to invest 923 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,840 Speaker 1: in your relationship, and then there's this time limit. There's 924 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 1: this decision point where you say, we have to define 925 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,680 Speaker 1: our relationship and take a step in some way. We 926 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,239 Speaker 1: can't drag this out, we can't just continue like it is. 927 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 1: We have to say we're into this for the long 928 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:38,400 Speaker 1: term or we're gonna end it now. So before we 929 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,160 Speaker 1: get into what it's like on Paradise, I want to 930 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,279 Speaker 1: ask you and our listeners, what do you think it 931 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:44,839 Speaker 1: would be like if we did that in the real 932 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,360 Speaker 1: world when it came to dating, Like what if we 933 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,359 Speaker 1: set a time limit on like date one, where we're like, Okay, 934 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:52,840 Speaker 1: I don't know where this is gonna go this, I 935 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,879 Speaker 1: don't even know your name yet, but in one month, 936 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 1: if we're still talking, we have to define the relationship 937 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:03,239 Speaker 1: like that. You think that's a good idea. I think so. 938 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,400 Speaker 1: I think the problem with dating these days it's just 939 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 1: so like murky, and no one really knows what's going on. 940 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,480 Speaker 1: Like half the time you're you can talk to a 941 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,680 Speaker 1: guy for months at a time and you barely even 942 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,359 Speaker 1: know his last name. Like it's just like weird. It's 943 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,239 Speaker 1: a weird time to be dating. And I think that 944 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,400 Speaker 1: as much as we can get rid of all the 945 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,920 Speaker 1: fluff and just be like, Okay, is this this is 946 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,680 Speaker 1: what I want? Is this what you want? I think 947 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,680 Speaker 1: it's great. I think that it's hard to do that 948 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,919 Speaker 1: because that scares people away, and in this experience, you're 949 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 1: signing up to do that. So I mean, I would 950 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,000 Speaker 1: find that refreshing. I'm just not sure how we would 951 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,120 Speaker 1: implicate that, But let's let's sporkshop some ideas. Yeah, so 952 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,279 Speaker 1: please email us at but actually I hurt media dot 953 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 1: com or uh talk to us on Twitter and hashtag 954 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,560 Speaker 1: almost in his podcast here's something interesting, uh. A couple 955 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,160 Speaker 1: of weeks ago, we started an experiment where we asked 956 00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 1: people what makes love work Sydney. So myself and a 957 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,439 Speaker 1: couple others started asking older couples, couples have been together 958 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,560 Speaker 1: for a while, new couples, people that are seeing goal, Hey, 959 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,920 Speaker 1: what do you think love works? And the main answer 960 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,280 Speaker 1: was it's a choice, meaning, Hey, you fall for somebody, 961 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,719 Speaker 1: you respect, somebody, you appreciate, somebody, you have all those 962 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,040 Speaker 1: things that you say, I like the person you are. 963 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:16,239 Speaker 1: But ultimately, after fifty years, twenty years, ten years, a month, 964 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: there is a moment where you start to wake up 965 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 1: next to that person, if you're married or if you're not, 966 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,120 Speaker 1: whatever you choose to do, you start to look at 967 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,480 Speaker 1: that person at some point in the day and you 968 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,520 Speaker 1: have to say, I choose to love you. So the 969 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,360 Speaker 1: idea in this that you have to make a choice, 970 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,400 Speaker 1: a decision to move forward or to not to choose 971 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:39,279 Speaker 1: that person or not. It feels like we're close to 972 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,360 Speaker 1: being really healthy. And this is why I say this 973 00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,759 Speaker 1: all Sidney. As I watch this week's episode and all 974 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,440 Speaker 1: of a sudden, Chris Harrison comes in, he says, hey, 975 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,600 Speaker 1: it's over. You gotta make a choice. And my first 976 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,600 Speaker 1: reaction was like, oh, that's so weird, Like this feels awkward, 977 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,120 Speaker 1: Like why are we putting Like why all of a 978 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:54,759 Speaker 1: sudden people need to figure out if they're gonna get 979 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 1: engaged or not, or move forward or not. And then 980 00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,360 Speaker 1: I started thinking about it, and I'm like, I actually 981 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,879 Speaker 1: think it is healthy. I think just yeah, we all 982 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,920 Speaker 1: were all there for that, and I mean it just 983 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,319 Speaker 1: why waste anyone's time. I think you've had enough time 984 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,440 Speaker 1: to figure out the core of everyone. You spend a 985 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,799 Speaker 1: lot of time with them, and it's like, yeah, let's 986 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,239 Speaker 1: not beat around the bush. We're leaving here. And because 987 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,279 Speaker 1: the problem is it's hard out in the real world. 988 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,399 Speaker 1: I would assume with these relationships that they're like fun 989 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,280 Speaker 1: and great when you're in the bubble of Bachelor Nation, 990 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:24,680 Speaker 1: but when you're out in the world, you're going to 991 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,480 Speaker 1: deal with a lot of issues and like working on 992 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,480 Speaker 1: a lot of different factors. So I think that it 993 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,000 Speaker 1: helps solidify you if that's what you're gonna do, or 994 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,759 Speaker 1: it helps to like let you not have to do 995 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 1: that once when if you make the decision to leave separately. 996 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,600 Speaker 1: So I think it's it's good. One thing, you know, 997 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,120 Speaker 1: I've I've had been in a relationship outside of the 998 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,200 Speaker 1: show with somebody from the show before, you know, after 999 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,520 Speaker 1: my season at Bachelor, and one of the things that 1000 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,839 Speaker 1: really feels good. It really is healthy, and I still 1001 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,160 Speaker 1: will seek This is when somebody looks across the table 1002 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,480 Speaker 1: from you and says, I choose you, Like when you're 1003 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,360 Speaker 1: on this show and they're saying I choose us you. 1004 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,279 Speaker 1: That feels good, right, it's comforting, but you don't know 1005 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,360 Speaker 1: what happened, Like when you get off the show. It 1006 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 1: is a whole new beast. And I think there is 1007 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,640 Speaker 1: a make or break moments where you do know if 1008 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,600 Speaker 1: you're right for each other or not. I think if 1009 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,320 Speaker 1: you decide to continue to say I choose you, it 1010 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 1: can work. But whenever the seed of doubt starts to 1011 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,080 Speaker 1: slip in, of oh is there other things out there? 1012 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,040 Speaker 1: Oh is there other opportunities out there? Oh, there's so 1013 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,640 Speaker 1: much attention on me. My Instagram is blowing up, like 1014 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,880 Speaker 1: people are calling me all this stuff. Then all of 1015 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,719 Speaker 1: a sudden, the boise starts to slip in and you 1016 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,000 Speaker 1: start to forget the choice that you made on the show. 1017 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,520 Speaker 1: And that's why I think it's so important in this moment, 1018 00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,239 Speaker 1: this week of paradise, for these couples to sit down 1019 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,920 Speaker 1: and say I choose you, no matter what happens, because 1020 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,040 Speaker 1: this isn't gonna be easy exactly. I think that's why 1021 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,279 Speaker 1: the engagement is the goal at the end, because it's 1022 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,320 Speaker 1: like a literal representation that you're choosing someone and you. 1023 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,879 Speaker 1: It's a reminder of those choices that you make every 1024 00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,440 Speaker 1: time you look down at your hand and you're like, oh, 1025 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,880 Speaker 1: I said those things and I agreed to this. And 1026 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,760 Speaker 1: I think the more that you can have that solid 1027 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:11,360 Speaker 1: like contract with each other, the better you are going forward. Sydney, 1028 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:16,000 Speaker 1: You're are preaching well today. Um hey, let's take a break, Sydney. 1029 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,440 Speaker 1: We have a couple of really successful couples to talk about. 1030 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,799 Speaker 1: I think we covered all the couples that ended up 1031 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,480 Speaker 1: deciding after the Rose ceremony to to split up. I 1032 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,800 Speaker 1: think we have Matt and Bree split up, Chase and 1033 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,719 Speaker 1: Angel obviously split up. We have JPJ and Tasia to 1034 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,040 Speaker 1: split up. But we still need to talk Dylan and Hannah, 1035 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,480 Speaker 1: claimed Nicole and Chris and Katie. But before we do that, 1036 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:51,719 Speaker 1: let's take one break. We'll come back soon. Okay, we've 1037 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,279 Speaker 1: talked about the breakups, We've talked about the awkwardness. We've 1038 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,680 Speaker 1: had a great time with Sydney. She's been terrifically one 1039 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,359 Speaker 1: round of applause, like three fortunate podcast because then he's 1040 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,120 Speaker 1: killing it today. She's been awesome for us. Uh city, 1041 00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:05,759 Speaker 1: Let's have a little fun and talk about the love 1042 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,400 Speaker 1: that we're seeing on Paradise. We'll start with the one 1043 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,640 Speaker 1: couple that was the shakiest, I think, Chris and Katie. 1044 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,279 Speaker 1: Chris and Katie seemed to be struggling. Katie's had her 1045 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,960 Speaker 1: own moments of like, we haven't always been able to 1046 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,400 Speaker 1: read Katie this season, she's had moments where it's like, 1047 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,800 Speaker 1: are you drunk or are you confused? But she's always 1048 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,759 Speaker 1: been interested in Chris ever since their love kind of blossom. Yeah, 1049 00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,920 Speaker 1: and she's been a great supporter to him. Can you 1050 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,600 Speaker 1: break down the relationship? Yeah, So I think the biggest 1051 00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,640 Speaker 1: issue that those two are having is the fact that 1052 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,560 Speaker 1: Chris has been on like a bajillion seasons and he's 1053 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,000 Speaker 1: gone from being like the villain, the guy that gets 1054 00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,279 Speaker 1: almost engaged or I don't even remember, but like all 1055 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,719 Speaker 1: he's gone through all the steps. Also, he was there 1056 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,640 Speaker 1: when the show originated, which I don't think. I think 1057 00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,400 Speaker 1: it's when it was a little more savage. So like, 1058 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,239 Speaker 1: I think he's gone through the gamut with this show 1059 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,640 Speaker 1: and he has a little bit of trust issues, which 1060 00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,520 Speaker 1: I think anyone would. So I think that he has 1061 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,719 Speaker 1: very strong feelings for Katie, but I think he's also 1062 00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,680 Speaker 1: scared to show those feelings and fear that something's gonna 1063 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,399 Speaker 1: blow up in his face again. UM. And I think 1064 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,160 Speaker 1: Katie is just the type of person that's very considerate 1065 00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,759 Speaker 1: and like cares very deeply, and it's like kind of 1066 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,440 Speaker 1: helping him through that. But I think in what's happening 1067 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,480 Speaker 1: is she's not getting a lot back from him right now, 1068 00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,360 Speaker 1: and it's hard for them to kind of meet in 1069 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,839 Speaker 1: the middle. So they've made little steps forward. I think 1070 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,960 Speaker 1: they're just moving kind of slowly together. When you're on 1071 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 1: the beach, how aware are you of these like where 1072 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,719 Speaker 1: each couple are at? UM. I feel like I was 1073 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,360 Speaker 1: very aware because I had a lot of time just 1074 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,040 Speaker 1: like hanging out on my own. I was like front 1075 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,560 Speaker 1: row seat watching all the love happened, which was like great. 1076 00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like refreshing to see UM. So I 1077 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,279 Speaker 1: think I saw a lot of it, so I was 1078 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,600 Speaker 1: pretty aware of a lot of the things. I also 1079 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,959 Speaker 1: was like friendly with all the guys and all the girls, 1080 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,360 Speaker 1: so I talked to a lot of the people, so 1081 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,279 Speaker 1: I had kind of like a good idea of where 1082 00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,480 Speaker 1: everyone was at, which is kind of why I think 1083 00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,120 Speaker 1: I was like the narrator for most season. But yeah, 1084 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,440 Speaker 1: I Katie and Chris, I was like rooting for them, 1085 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,040 Speaker 1: but I think they were they had a lot of 1086 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,959 Speaker 1: conversations that they still needed to have, especially at this point. 1087 00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,480 Speaker 1: The watching this week's episode, there is a lot of 1088 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,239 Speaker 1: the time where I was like telling, like wanting to 1089 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,920 Speaker 1: tell Chris just talk like you're you're you know what 1090 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,680 Speaker 1: you want to say, You're not saying it, and you're 1091 00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,960 Speaker 1: like I almost felt like there was a moment where 1092 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,120 Speaker 1: when he was like dragging this breakup out or whatever 1093 00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:28,960 Speaker 1: he was doing, she was going to be like, but 1094 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,399 Speaker 1: I love you and I want to be with you forever, 1095 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,040 Speaker 1: Like I feel like you never could get to have 1096 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,640 Speaker 1: place of like any clarity. And I gotta give Katie 1097 00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,840 Speaker 1: credit because when we just talked a second ago about 1098 00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,000 Speaker 1: sitting with about like choosing somebody, even through like their 1099 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,040 Speaker 1: their difficulties, even through their confusing moments, what Katie did 1100 00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,080 Speaker 1: in that moment was one of the most compelling scenes 1101 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,799 Speaker 1: I've ever seen in this franchise because she said, Chris, 1102 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,120 Speaker 1: I know what you're doing, but I care about you 1103 00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,120 Speaker 1: and I know you care about me. I know you're difficult, 1104 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,920 Speaker 1: like I know you have issues, but I want to 1105 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,800 Speaker 1: be with you through those. That was really cool. That 1106 00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,320 Speaker 1: was like a real life conversation that we got to witness. 1107 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,719 Speaker 1: It was I think Katie made that choice back when 1108 00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,080 Speaker 1: Chris decided to choose her, so she got her validation. 1109 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,320 Speaker 1: She was like, great, this is this is it for me. 1110 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to push this forward. And then Chris, I 1111 00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,439 Speaker 1: think was on that same page, but he was doing 1112 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:21,920 Speaker 1: the thing where he was like, no, let me just 1113 00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,200 Speaker 1: sabotage this maybe and like almost testing her in a way. 1114 00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,319 Speaker 1: And I'm really happy that she kind of like dug 1115 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,959 Speaker 1: her feed in and really like got what she needed 1116 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,800 Speaker 1: out of him, even though it was like a terrible answer, 1117 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,920 Speaker 1: like she's hit, but she I think she was just 1118 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,160 Speaker 1: like going with her gut and knew the man he 1119 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,400 Speaker 1: was and knew like that deep down that they were 1120 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,160 Speaker 1: right for each other. She was just kind of like 1121 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,279 Speaker 1: giving him a little grace in that moment. Yeah, she 1122 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,440 Speaker 1: did a great job, and I mean she she can 1123 00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,040 Speaker 1: tell she cares about him, and it's good to see 1124 00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:52,960 Speaker 1: them moving forward. Together because I think they're one of 1125 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,000 Speaker 1: those couples that don't quite have it all figured out. 1126 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,320 Speaker 1: But it feels like it's moving in a good direction 1127 00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,040 Speaker 1: and there's gonna be big like hurdles in their way 1128 00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,600 Speaker 1: as they try to move forward. Yeah, I think they're 1129 00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,960 Speaker 1: working through a lot of the things that they need 1130 00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:07,600 Speaker 1: to work through, so them when they're outside of this, 1131 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,200 Speaker 1: they're going to be in a better place. I don't 1132 00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,399 Speaker 1: know how you could have an argument with Katie, though 1133 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:19,480 Speaker 1: in her eyes, I would be done. I think that's 1134 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,600 Speaker 1: funny why he didn't make any sense. He was at 1135 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:30,080 Speaker 1: the ocean was a lot less intimidating. Um, we're kind 1136 00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:31,640 Speaker 1: of go in order here. They had a lot to 1137 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,759 Speaker 1: figure out. Clay and the coal kind of have. It 1138 00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,680 Speaker 1: feels like they're right on edge. Said, I really don't 1139 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,440 Speaker 1: know how to read their relationship, and I need your 1140 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:43,440 Speaker 1: help for it. They've they've been good, then they've kind 1141 00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,719 Speaker 1: of gone back and forth, and now it feels like 1142 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,600 Speaker 1: they're good ish. Yeah. Good ish is a great way 1143 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,440 Speaker 1: to describe what's happening right now. Um. I think they 1144 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,120 Speaker 1: were like solid from the beginning, and I was very 1145 00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,440 Speaker 1: much on their team. I'm always like friends I'm obviously 1146 00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,279 Speaker 1: friends with the Coal, but I was good friends with 1147 00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,960 Speaker 1: Clay too, and I just love them together. I was 1148 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,240 Speaker 1: like their child, I felt like, so I was rooting 1149 00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,920 Speaker 1: for them. I think what happened was Clay gone in 1150 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:08,920 Speaker 1: his head once Angela walked down that beach and it 1151 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,000 Speaker 1: kind of just like blew everything up for him. I 1152 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,160 Speaker 1: think that was the last thing he expected to happen, 1153 00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:14,840 Speaker 1: and he didn't really know how to deal with it, 1154 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,240 Speaker 1: and he was trying to like maneuver this weird, weird 1155 00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,359 Speaker 1: world that he was just thrust into. And I think 1156 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,200 Speaker 1: that's why he's so in his head. It's hard for 1157 00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,920 Speaker 1: someone just to like jump in head first when they 1158 00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,000 Speaker 1: know they have all these like all this baggage that 1159 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,560 Speaker 1: they're carrying now literally right in front of them. So yeah, 1160 00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,359 Speaker 1: a little made it the whole time, like they're one 1161 00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,879 Speaker 1: of what because I can't remember Chris and Katie day 1162 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,839 Speaker 1: one couple, they're like, oh, they were like a week 1163 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:43,960 Speaker 1: or two in, I think, but they were pretty early. Um. 1164 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:45,880 Speaker 1: But Clay and Nicole, I think they were like that 1165 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,080 Speaker 1: was the first date that Clay had. It was like 1166 00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,040 Speaker 1: the second day there, I feel like, and they were 1167 00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,479 Speaker 1: pretty rock solid from there on out. Yeah, I feel 1168 00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:57,640 Speaker 1: like they have been saw this. I want them to work. Um. 1169 00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,000 Speaker 1: I like the way they treat each other. I know, 1170 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,000 Speaker 1: a're so cute and they're just like goofy and he's 1171 00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,480 Speaker 1: like this huge teddy bear and she's just like sassy, 1172 00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,760 Speaker 1: fiery latinas. I don't know, I like it together. It works. 1173 00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,279 Speaker 1: I just I don't have as a fan right now. 1174 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,239 Speaker 1: I'm watching it and I feel like they're the one couple. 1175 00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, I just don't see it 1176 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:27,920 Speaker 1: right now. We'll see, we'll see rooting for him though, exactly. Okay, finally, Um, 1177 00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,600 Speaker 1: the King and Queen of Paradise, the couple that's been 1178 00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,680 Speaker 1: together since the beginning. You don't see a lot of 1179 00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,600 Speaker 1: them anymore because I feel like they're just either in 1180 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,120 Speaker 1: the boom boom room as we saw once, or they're 1181 00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,080 Speaker 1: eating Exactly, there's a whole day we were like, where 1182 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,880 Speaker 1: the heck are Hannah and Dylan. They were I'm pretty 1183 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:53,640 Speaker 1: sure they're in the boom romer all days. Good for that. Yeah, Um, 1184 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,200 Speaker 1: Hannah g and Dylan have found love in Paradise. We 1185 00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,680 Speaker 1: saw it this week on the One on one. Um, 1186 00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:04,520 Speaker 1: they're so happy. Uh, they're they It feels like there's 1187 00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,600 Speaker 1: not a lot to see because they're just good, and 1188 00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,400 Speaker 1: it feels like they need to get out of paradise 1189 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:13,360 Speaker 1: now to move the relationship forward. Tell us Sydney, from 1190 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,080 Speaker 1: your perspective, what that relationship has been like. It was 1191 00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,120 Speaker 1: rough at the beginning. We saw that part, but as 1192 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,400 Speaker 1: you in the seat that you sat in, like, what 1193 00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,080 Speaker 1: was it like to watch this? I mean from an 1194 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,520 Speaker 1: outsider's perspective, all of us are like, it's obviously Dylan. 1195 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,240 Speaker 1: He's in love with you. He's been patient with you 1196 00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,800 Speaker 1: as you've been going from like a couple of different 1197 00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,000 Speaker 1: guys and dealing with all of Blake's bus At the time, 1198 00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,560 Speaker 1: we were all like, it is Dylan just picked Dylan, 1199 00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,520 Speaker 1: but she was so torn, so it's hard for us 1200 00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,800 Speaker 1: watching it. We're like, he's obviously the choice for you, 1201 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,360 Speaker 1: but I'm glad that she eventually got there. But we're 1202 00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,840 Speaker 1: a lot of us were team Dylan as far as 1203 00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,360 Speaker 1: him choosing or Channa choosing him. Yeah, and then once 1204 00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,040 Speaker 1: she did, I mean, it was kind of game over, right. 1205 00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,320 Speaker 1: Did you feel the switch? What kind of in Let's 1206 00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,280 Speaker 1: get me It's the theme of the podcast, But when 1207 00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,160 Speaker 1: she said, Okay, I know there's gonna be other people 1208 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,560 Speaker 1: coming down the stairs. Some of them might even be 1209 00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,360 Speaker 1: intriguing at some level, but Dylan, I and I think 1210 00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,200 Speaker 1: she might even said these words, I'm choosing you, like 1211 00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:15,680 Speaker 1: this is what I'm investing into you. Could you tangibly 1212 00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,320 Speaker 1: feel the switch? And I think that one Rose ceremony 1213 00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,440 Speaker 1: when she didn't choose Blake and she chose Dylan was 1214 00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,640 Speaker 1: when the switch happened. And that's all Dylan needed needed 1215 00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,320 Speaker 1: to like literally run for the hills and go straight 1216 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,440 Speaker 1: to like basically wanting to marry her um. And I 1217 00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,720 Speaker 1: think at some point in paradise you have to kind 1218 00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,080 Speaker 1: of choose, Like you decide there's people coming in. You 1219 00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,200 Speaker 1: know that's going to happen, but like you can't just 1220 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,520 Speaker 1: get distracted. You kind of have to work on whatever 1221 00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,040 Speaker 1: relationship that you have if you want to get to 1222 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,760 Speaker 1: where they got in the end, where it was an 1223 00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,200 Speaker 1: engaged or hopefully that they got where they're at right 1224 00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,640 Speaker 1: now and hopefully get to an engagement. But yeah, it 1225 00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:52,560 Speaker 1: was just that one switch that they needed and they 1226 00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,120 Speaker 1: were kind of like set from there on out, and 1227 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,240 Speaker 1: none of us how to worry about them anymore. You 1228 00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,280 Speaker 1: brought up something that I think is interesting, the boom 1229 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,400 Speaker 1: boom room. So you know, a lot of people have 1230 01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:08,280 Speaker 1: different ideas and different feelings on sex and physical intimacy, 1231 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,480 Speaker 1: and then you know, you add in cameras and millions 1232 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,680 Speaker 1: of people watching, and it enhances those feelings a little 1233 01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:16,520 Speaker 1: bit in some way. At what point, because I think 1234 01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,440 Speaker 1: everybody goes in saying, you know, I have some you know, 1235 01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,360 Speaker 1: type of things I want people to see a Nazi 1236 01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,600 Speaker 1: and you know, et cetera, like some privacy. I know 1237 01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,600 Speaker 1: from my own experience, at some point that all goes 1238 01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,880 Speaker 1: out the window, like it flies fast away and you 1239 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,080 Speaker 1: forget everything and you just don't care. In paradise, when 1240 01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,919 Speaker 1: does that happen? Um pretty quickly. In Paradise, you're there 1241 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,480 Speaker 1: all day long with each other and you kind of 1242 01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,800 Speaker 1: just stopped caring. I mean you're there sweating with each other, 1243 01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,760 Speaker 1: eating at each other, talking about left and right like 1244 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:46,640 Speaker 1: all kinds of nonsense. So you're just kind of like 1245 01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,880 Speaker 1: whatever at this point, like I'm here, I signed up 1246 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,080 Speaker 1: for it. I'll deal with whatever I'm portrayed as afterwards, 1247 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,240 Speaker 1: and you kind of just learn to live in the moment. 1248 01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,120 Speaker 1: I think, and I think, Yeah, that's why people aren't 1249 01:00:58,120 --> 01:00:59,720 Speaker 1: afraid to go to the booming room. I mean, you're 1250 01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,840 Speaker 1: in the you to the moment. Why I like, stop there? 1251 01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:10,800 Speaker 1: I mean I can think of one reason. Your mom my, mom. Yeah, 1252 01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,200 Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine if Matt Donald somehow, some 1253 01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:22,560 Speaker 1: way made the choice, like how his anxiety in waymental 1254 01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,959 Speaker 1: rightdown for sure, which is probably why I wouldn't have gone, 1255 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,160 Speaker 1: so so sad would be it would be the worst, funniest, 1256 01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:34,720 Speaker 1: worst seen ever. Thanks. And then we've talked about Demi 1257 01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,800 Speaker 1: and Christian and their relationship flourishing and moving forward in 1258 01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:42,120 Speaker 1: a really good direction. Heyson, you have one more second here. 1259 01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,080 Speaker 1: We always like to read user emails when we get time, 1260 01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:45,560 Speaker 1: and I have two or three I just want to 1261 01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,560 Speaker 1: throw at you. Let's do it. So there's a question 1262 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,360 Speaker 1: now from Valerie who set up PROMP for JPJ, and 1263 01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,640 Speaker 1: Tasha says, so JPJ set up promptasa. I know they're 1264 01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,439 Speaker 1: in paradise and can't go to the store to purchase things. 1265 01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,720 Speaker 1: If someone sets up something like that, do you get 1266 01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,760 Speaker 1: a producer to help? Um? Yeah, I think it's like 1267 01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,040 Speaker 1: an art department thing where you you come up with 1268 01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:09,120 Speaker 1: your idea, you can talk to your producer and then 1269 01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:10,800 Speaker 1: they can kind of get the ball rolling. I mean, 1270 01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,680 Speaker 1: I would love to go to like party City and 1271 01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,400 Speaker 1: pick up my own stuff to leave the beach, but 1272 01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,560 Speaker 1: we're not allowed to, so you kind of have to 1273 01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,200 Speaker 1: have people set it up for you, the exit process 1274 01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,840 Speaker 1: from Lexi, So I'm sitting here watching Patch in Paradise, 1275 01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,920 Speaker 1: Alexi says, I can find myself each week wondering who 1276 01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,560 Speaker 1: the heck packs the bag for contestants When some of 1277 01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:31,320 Speaker 1: these paradise unexpectedly, they are always seen getting straight into 1278 01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,760 Speaker 1: the limo. So how do they get their bags? Pack 1279 01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,520 Speaker 1: these drive circles around and then let the contestants come 1280 01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,560 Speaker 1: back and pack. I wish. No, there's these sweet handlers 1281 01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,920 Speaker 1: that are with us through the whole process too, kind 1282 01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,680 Speaker 1: of like our little moms, and they pack your bags 1283 01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,080 Speaker 1: for you know, you hope your stuff ends up in 1284 01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,520 Speaker 1: those bags. Um. I can say from when I left 1285 01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:53,520 Speaker 1: Colton season, I lost a lot of stuff. Yeah, I 1286 01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,680 Speaker 1: was not planning on leaving, but you know, you gotta 1287 01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,640 Speaker 1: do what you gotta do. You gotta do what you got. Yeah, 1288 01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,240 Speaker 1: it's true, though, I mean I guess for me, I 1289 01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,520 Speaker 1: never got to fully experience that on the bachelort because 1290 01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,280 Speaker 1: it was I was in Ireland for another couple of 1291 01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,920 Speaker 1: days after I got s at home. But you do 1292 01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:12,920 Speaker 1: travel the world with like one bag, and you have 1293 01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people holding onto a lot of different 1294 01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,520 Speaker 1: things of your and you just hope at some point 1295 01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,280 Speaker 1: after like two months, that it shows back up, but 1296 01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,360 Speaker 1: you don't know where. You have no idea, And Sydney, 1297 01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,960 Speaker 1: I will tell you this is actually a credit to 1298 01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,600 Speaker 1: the show. I lost a lot of things during the show, 1299 01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:34,000 Speaker 1: and afterwards they found each and everyone that I did 1300 01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,600 Speaker 1: get like a jacket and like a couple of things back, 1301 01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,480 Speaker 1: and I remember texting and like this stress is here, 1302 01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,240 Speaker 1: this thing is here. So they work with you. But 1303 01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:43,920 Speaker 1: I mean, there are all of us are living in 1304 01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:48,120 Speaker 1: one room with big suitcases, suitcases and all of our stuff. 1305 01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,440 Speaker 1: It's kind of everywhere, so you end up losing stuff. 1306 01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,880 Speaker 1: But I mean, it is what it is, which makes 1307 01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,960 Speaker 1: me think maybe this show like secretly like takes something 1308 01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:58,560 Speaker 1: just to freak you out a bit and then at 1309 01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,720 Speaker 1: some point sends it back. I mean, definitely heightens the 1310 01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,000 Speaker 1: drama when you're living out of a suitcase. Definitely heightened 1311 01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:07,120 Speaker 1: the drama. Of course, it does um, alright, final question 1312 01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:09,360 Speaker 1: here for you, Sydney. Yes, this is a cool one. 1313 01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,840 Speaker 1: Jojo and Jordan's from Monica. Monica says, have we all 1314 01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,320 Speaker 1: Have you all discussed the fact that Jordan reproposed to 1315 01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,000 Speaker 1: Joe Jo Does this mean their first proposal proposal was 1316 01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:19,960 Speaker 1: more like, hey, will you be my girlfriend? Rather than 1317 01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,000 Speaker 1: will you be my wife? He even gave her a 1318 01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,560 Speaker 1: different ring. What are your thoughts on this, Sydney. I'll 1319 01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,520 Speaker 1: let you start and I'll finish. I think that I mean, 1320 01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,240 Speaker 1: you grow in relationships, and I feel like they were 1321 01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,000 Speaker 1: in a good place when they got engaged and they 1322 01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:33,880 Speaker 1: were ready to start their lives together. But now they 1323 01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,120 Speaker 1: have a completely new life together. And I think that's 1324 01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,320 Speaker 1: Jordan and JoJo's way of saying, like, I still choose 1325 01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,520 Speaker 1: you again, and I even know our lives are different, 1326 01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,560 Speaker 1: and this is where we're at, Like, I still choose 1327 01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:44,960 Speaker 1: you at the end of the day, and I want 1328 01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,160 Speaker 1: to keep doing that. And I think that's like an 1329 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,640 Speaker 1: affirmation that everyone kind of wants in a relationship, and 1330 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,400 Speaker 1: it's a beautiful thing that he did. I agree. I 1331 01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,640 Speaker 1: think it's awesome. I think after a few years of 1332 01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,720 Speaker 1: figuring it out of knowing that they're still the one 1333 01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,720 Speaker 1: getting busy. Like we said, tons of pressure getting thrown 1334 01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,280 Speaker 1: on you. There's a lot of activity around you in noise. 1335 01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,960 Speaker 1: I think the noise, no matter what it's, it's probably 1336 01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:09,920 Speaker 1: almost impossible to block out all the noise. And so 1337 01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:11,400 Speaker 1: even if you let the noise get in a little 1338 01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,880 Speaker 1: bit and your relationship kind of separates or whatever, when 1339 01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:15,640 Speaker 1: you can come back together and say I know I 1340 01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,760 Speaker 1: still choose you, I think it matters. It's like, in 1341 01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,280 Speaker 1: my eyes, it was like renewing the vows exactly. You know, 1342 01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,680 Speaker 1: it's like renewing the proposal. It's freshening it up. It's 1343 01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,000 Speaker 1: making it real again, because after a few years it 1344 01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,640 Speaker 1: could feel distant and it was more than this time too, 1345 01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:31,640 Speaker 1: or like she has a ring that he picked out 1346 01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,160 Speaker 1: that wasn't like he chose from four He went to 1347 01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:35,920 Speaker 1: the store and decided like what was her and like 1348 01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,360 Speaker 1: what was them? And I think that's just like a 1349 01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,560 Speaker 1: better way to solidify. Like they are together and they 1350 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:46,479 Speaker 1: love each other fully, and yeah, love winds Um super 1351 01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:48,560 Speaker 1: pumped for them. I hope and wish them the best. 1352 01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,120 Speaker 1: They're both great and obviously I think Jojo is amazing 1353 01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,120 Speaker 1: and uh, you know Jordan is a stud, so good 1354 01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:57,720 Speaker 1: for them. Alright, Sydney. Final two thoughts in the episode. 1355 01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,360 Speaker 1: There's a big episode, a lot to talk about. I 1356 01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,160 Speaker 1: really do all of our listeners and all of us here. 1357 01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,280 Speaker 1: I heart really appreciate you stepping in and co hosting today. 1358 01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,120 Speaker 1: It's been fun to kind of bring in contestants to 1359 01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,080 Speaker 1: co host with us because your insight is a lot 1360 01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,160 Speaker 1: better than ours could ever be. But you've been awesome, 1361 01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:16,040 Speaker 1: So thank you, Sidney. Um, before you leave, there's two 1362 01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:17,920 Speaker 1: storylines that didn't really fit into the mold of what 1363 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,640 Speaker 1: we were talking about, but we have to discuss them. 1364 01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:23,600 Speaker 1: One is a sad one. Um, I guess both have 1365 01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:27,840 Speaker 1: sad pieces, but one ends and happy ending. Blake and Christina? 1366 01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,800 Speaker 1: Is it a real thing? Was he just looking to 1367 01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:36,040 Speaker 1: fix his time? Like? What was that? Oh? I mean, 1368 01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. My opinion on that was that if 1369 01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,520 Speaker 1: Blake really felt that way about Christina, he should have 1370 01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,160 Speaker 1: done that from day one and not come in and 1371 01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,520 Speaker 1: be like I'm for Hannah, I'm Batisha, I'm over here 1372 01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,560 Speaker 1: like he just if I'm Christina, I would be like 1373 01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,680 Speaker 1: why now, Like after all of this, after all this mess, 1374 01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,480 Speaker 1: we're at the end, like it's like too little, too late, 1375 01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,520 Speaker 1: And I think that's exactly how she felt. And even 1376 01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,600 Speaker 1: if it was genuine for like, I don't really know um. 1377 01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:07,000 Speaker 1: I feel like he was just kind of scrambling at 1378 01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,960 Speaker 1: the end and it wasn't fully like there um and 1379 01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:16,479 Speaker 1: it was unfortunate. Yeah, it was just hard to track. Again, 1380 01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:18,120 Speaker 1: it was one of those storylines. And I think it's 1381 01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:21,080 Speaker 1: the theme Sydney. I think you all did a great job. 1382 01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,440 Speaker 1: I think it was a theme of this paradise that 1383 01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:27,960 Speaker 1: it was hard for us watching or viewers to understand 1384 01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:29,880 Speaker 1: these relationships because I felt like there was so much 1385 01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,480 Speaker 1: bouncing around in conflict and confusing things that it was 1386 01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,000 Speaker 1: hard to track exactly what was happening at every moment. 1387 01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,640 Speaker 1: For whatever reason, it felt more overwhelming to me this season. 1388 01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:41,440 Speaker 1: And I've talked to a bunch of other people that 1389 01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:44,280 Speaker 1: are very sold out on watching Bachelor in Paradise and 1390 01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,080 Speaker 1: they kind of agree, like it's hard to track right 1391 01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:49,400 Speaker 1: now exactly. Well, I will say, specifically for Christina and 1392 01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,120 Speaker 1: Blake that was felt the same way me watching it. 1393 01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:54,760 Speaker 1: Being there, I was like, huh, you're for You're doing 1394 01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,680 Speaker 1: what now? So that one wasn't even showed for us. 1395 01:07:57,960 --> 01:07:59,560 Speaker 1: I agree with a lot of the other relationships, you 1396 01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,640 Speaker 1: didn't get to see them. But Blake and Christina weren't 1397 01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,720 Speaker 1: really doing anything besides giving each other friendship roses, and 1398 01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:06,520 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Blake was like, Oh, it's Christine, 1399 01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:07,919 Speaker 1: I'm in love with her. I don't know. It was weird. 1400 01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,960 Speaker 1: Um so that one was panned out. Yea, so maybe 1401 01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:16,240 Speaker 1: it just like what's exactly what happened on the show. 1402 01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,639 Speaker 1: The next one is Connor and Calin have a romance 1403 01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,840 Speaker 1: that blossomed after Dean left Paradise. Again. We talked about 1404 01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:26,400 Speaker 1: Dean earlier. He's compelling, he's great, he's a friend of mine, 1405 01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:28,920 Speaker 1: so I speak highly of him. Um so I'm biased. 1406 01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:31,439 Speaker 1: But then he does a typical Dean move and he 1407 01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,560 Speaker 1: leaves and then he comes back, which is not a 1408 01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:38,840 Speaker 1: typical Dean move, which shows how much he cares. She's 1409 01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:40,599 Speaker 1: in a relationship with Connor at the time, they seem 1410 01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,280 Speaker 1: to be doing well. But you all knew. We all 1411 01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:45,559 Speaker 1: knew at least watching Hey, she's gonna go back with Dean. 1412 01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,080 Speaker 1: Did you know she was going back with Dean? Question. 1413 01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:49,880 Speaker 1: I had a strong feeling that she was going to 1414 01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,200 Speaker 1: go back with Dean. I think Connor is great, and 1415 01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:54,400 Speaker 1: she was waiting to meet him towards the beginning. But 1416 01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,760 Speaker 1: I think all of her feelings that she had for 1417 01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:59,360 Speaker 1: Dean we're just kind of thrown on the Connor. So 1418 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,479 Speaker 1: that's why it kind of escalated really quickly. But it 1419 01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,880 Speaker 1: wasn't fully. I think she was just like masking how 1420 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,920 Speaker 1: she was upset about Dean leaving and Connor was unfortunately 1421 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,760 Speaker 1: like took the front of that. Um. Yeah, I knew 1422 01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,320 Speaker 1: deep down she was going to choose Dean. It's hary 1423 01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:17,479 Speaker 1: not to choose Dean, I know. I mean he's great. 1424 01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:19,200 Speaker 1: Even though he's like a hot mass, he at least 1425 01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:22,240 Speaker 1: owns his hot messory. Yeah, he's like a he's like 1426 01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:25,280 Speaker 1: a beautiful He's like a beautiful cockroach. You know, like 1427 01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,160 Speaker 1: you want to hate him. You don't want to like 1428 01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:31,160 Speaker 1: him at all, Like everything, like like a lot of 1429 01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:33,439 Speaker 1: things he does, you're like nobody would be okay with this, 1430 01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:35,320 Speaker 1: And then you look at him and you're like, gosh, 1431 01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:39,880 Speaker 1: dang it, Like yeah he's not that bad. Yeah, yeah, 1432 01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,680 Speaker 1: not that bad. But it works out in the end. 1433 01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,160 Speaker 1: Whitney shows up the beach, finds out Connor isn't there, 1434 01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:48,960 Speaker 1: and she goes back to the Vedanta in Porto Villarta 1435 01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:53,240 Speaker 1: to find Connor and it feels like, yeah, it's gonna work. 1436 01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:55,120 Speaker 1: Like it feels like it was the right thing, and 1437 01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,360 Speaker 1: it all worked out in the end, two super hot 1438 01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:00,439 Speaker 1: people just finding each other. And I think that was peopleful. 1439 01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,840 Speaker 1: Who's people? I mean that when Connor takes off his shirt, 1440 01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:05,960 Speaker 1: I feel all sorts of weird and he's like, no, 1441 01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,280 Speaker 1: no fount on his body. It's insane. And he's like 1442 01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:12,559 Speaker 1: six six. So my excuses, my excuse, My whole life 1443 01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:15,880 Speaker 1: has been Hey, I work out a lot, I'm in shape, 1444 01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:17,439 Speaker 1: Like you know, I'm not gonna take off my shirt 1445 01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:19,679 Speaker 1: and you're gonna like, holy cal like that guy is ripped. 1446 01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:21,680 Speaker 1: Like you're never gonna say that about me. But I 1447 01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:23,960 Speaker 1: feel good about who I am, Like I feel good 1448 01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,439 Speaker 1: about it. I've had moments like college was a little 1449 01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,680 Speaker 1: bit worse than now. Um, but my excuses. I'm not 1450 01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,960 Speaker 1: ripped because I'm six four, Like I'm tall, so like 1451 01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,400 Speaker 1: it's hard for me to get the big muscles like 1452 01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,320 Speaker 1: that happens to small guys, and like that's the thing 1453 01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,000 Speaker 1: they got going for him, And like I can't get 1454 01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,439 Speaker 1: the six pack because I don't have that body type. 1455 01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:44,799 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. And then I see dorks like Connor, 1456 01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,160 Speaker 1: dorks in a good way, like I like Connor of men, 1457 01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:52,120 Speaker 1: but I get really jealous because that dude. I mean, 1458 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,519 Speaker 1: it's just he's got netics right, Like you can't even 1459 01:10:55,760 --> 01:11:00,040 Speaker 1: balt You're like, dude, Mom, I know I do to 1460 01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:04,280 Speaker 1: go back in the wom and figure it out. Gosh, 1461 01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,400 Speaker 1: dang it. Yeah, Well, two beautiful people find each other 1462 01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:10,240 Speaker 1: on the beach and love blossoms. Hey, that's been a podcast. 1463 01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,200 Speaker 1: Any I think we're done. I'm at a breath. I'm tired. 1464 01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,639 Speaker 1: That was a lot. Are you tired anything? I wanna 1465 01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,680 Speaker 1: talk about anything? You want to promote? Uh? You want 1466 01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:19,600 Speaker 1: to find friends in l A. You've moved to l A. 1467 01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,080 Speaker 1: If anybody's listening and has any opportunities for commercials, acting, 1468 01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:27,000 Speaker 1: modeling for Sydney and land me to dance at your wedding. 1469 01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,160 Speaker 1: I didn't you do that any time in Paradise. I'm 1470 01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,920 Speaker 1: here for all of it. So yeah, Hey, Sydney, you've 1471 01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:36,200 Speaker 1: been the best taco. We appreciate you. Um Hey, we 1472 01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,519 Speaker 1: said this every week. Just follow my lead. Trust me 1473 01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:45,200 Speaker 1: on this. I've been been. I'm sorry. What all right? 1474 01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:48,640 Speaker 1: Repeat after me, but use your name in place of mind. Okay, 1475 01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:53,280 Speaker 1: I've been then, I've been Sydney and we'll talk to 1476 01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:57,679 Speaker 1: you soon. 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