1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: This episode of News World, politically correct radicals of leftists speechless. 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: The left's assault on liberty, virtue, decency, the Republic of 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: the Founders, and Western civilization has succeeded. You can no 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: longer keep your social media account or your job and 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: acknowledge truths such as Washington, Jefferson and Columbus were great men? 6 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: How do we get to this point? In Speechless, Controlling Words, 7 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: Controlling Minds, national best selling author and political commentator Michael 8 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: Knowles of The Daily Wire reveals how political correctness is 9 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: part of a large political agenda to stifle free thought 10 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: through strategic control of language. He exposes and diagnoses the 11 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 1: long strategy conservatives have fallen for and shows how they 12 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: can change course and start winning. Here to discuss his 13 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: new best selling book, I'm very pleased to welcome my guest, 14 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: Michael Knows. Michael, what's the response been so far? Well, 15 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: thank you so much for having the speaker, Gangwich. The 16 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: response has really exceeded my expectations. I was going into 17 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: this as a already technically a best selling author, but 18 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: I had never written a book. So my previous magnum 19 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: opus was an entirely blank book called reasons to vote 20 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: for Democrats, and so I thought it would be very 21 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: fitting to write my second book about the subject of 22 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: language itself and words. And I do think that the 23 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: timing has been serendipitous for book sales, but it's really 24 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: pretty bad for our country that right now free speech 25 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: is so under attack, both through the explicit censorship of 26 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: for instance, big tech, but also the Sutler pre censorship 27 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: of the politically correct wordsmiths. And actually, I suppose the 28 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: New York Times has proven me right because redefined the 29 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: term best seller not to include the books that are 30 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: selling better than the other books. I'm really pleased with 31 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: the response, and I hope that it can start to 32 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: shift the course on how we think about free speech. 33 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: I want to validate what you just said. Our mutual 34 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: friend Margie Ross, who for many many years guided regularly 35 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: to amazing success as a conservative book publisher, just did 36 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: a column and pointed out that you actually sold four 37 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: thousand more books in one week than the book that 38 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: was picked by The New York Times to be number one. 39 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: And it was just typical of the kind of uphill 40 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: that strong conservatives face when dealing with the elite media. 41 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: I will confess I had not realized that you had 42 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: begun to be a best seller with a book that's 43 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: nothing in it. As a guy who's worked very hard 44 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 1: over the years, had never occurred to me to have 45 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 1: the hutzpah to do that as an interesting idea. But 46 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,119 Speaker 1: you already did. So I'm curious he jumped from literally 47 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: wordless to speechless. I did. There's actually a bit of 48 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: a history here too, because I did not write the 49 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: first blank book in American history. There have been others. 50 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: Everything men know about women, the wit and wisdom of 51 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: spirot Agnew is one of them. And it actually goes 52 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: back to the eighteen eighty presidential race when James Garfield 53 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: and Chester Arthur were running on a ticket and they 54 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: published the Political Achievements and Statesmanship of General Hancock, Democratic 55 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: nominee for presidents. So I think Republicans making fun of 56 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: Democrats with blank books. It's a long and storied tradition 57 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: in American history. We obviously are fascinated with the power 58 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: of words, and I know that you do that on 59 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: the Michael Knows Show at the Daily Wear. Oh I'm 60 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: curious as a person, what got you into thinking about 61 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: the power of language? Well, I was considering all the 62 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: various political issues that were told is the most important 63 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: issue of the day, immigrations or foreign wars, or trade, 64 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: or tax policy or occupational licensing reform and everything in between, 65 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: and I thought, none of those issues are really at 66 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: the heart of our cultural and political struggle right now. 67 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: I think what is at the heart is language. I 68 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: think the manipulation of language is the most effective tool 69 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: that the left has had for retaining power and wielding power. 70 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: It occurred to me that there had not been a 71 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: popular history written of what political correctness is, and so 72 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: I set out to do that, and I trace it 73 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: back about one hundred years. Most people trace it to 74 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: the eighties or nineties. By trace it back to about 75 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties, and I chronicle how it has transformed 76 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: over time. And more importantly, I think I try to 77 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: take seriously the leftist thinkers who developed political correctness, going 78 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: back to Antonio Grams, she Herbert Marcus, of the critical theorists, 79 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 1: the second wave feminists up through the present, because I 80 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: think that contrary to conservative self flattery, I actually think 81 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: the left understands free speech and censorship better than we do. 82 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: And I noticed the political correctness. No matter how hard 83 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: we fight against it, we always seem to lose ground. 84 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: And I think it's because it lays a trap for 85 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: conservatives whereby either way we react to it, we end 86 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: up actually advancing political correctness. And what I mean by 87 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: that is PC sets out, in my estimation, to destroy 88 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: society's traditional standards. And so you have the squishes on 89 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: the one hand, when they go along with the new standards, 90 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: obviously that's going to advance PC. But then even the 91 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: more stalwart conservatives, the ones who say I'm not going 92 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: to go along with the new standard. Maybe they've called 93 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: themselves free speech absolutists or something like that, what they 94 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: end up doing is grounding their arguments in abandoning standards entirely. 95 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: And the trick here is that either way the traditional 96 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: standards are abandoned, the new woke standards take their place, 97 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: and the left pushes the ball down the field even further. 98 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: In that context, isn't there a zone will call facts 99 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: that you could repair to to make a forward argument 100 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: that your opponent's nuts. I think that would be a 101 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: very factual argument. And while my colleague here at The 102 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro, is fond of saying facts don't 103 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: care about your feelings. Unfortunately, politics care is quite a 104 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 1: lot about your feelings. And I also think that conservatives 105 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: have failed to make many substantive arguments. You know, I 106 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: notice that a lot of conservatives will defend free speech 107 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 1: in the abstract, but all too often they have nothing 108 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: to say in practice, in reality. And I'm really not 109 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: just flattering you, speaker, Enrich, but you are one of 110 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: the few conservatives who has really been a serious cultural crusader, 111 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: who has actually said substantive things. Very often, I'm reminded 112 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: of the kind of weak types on the right who 113 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm not joking, will describe Drag Queen's Story Hour as 114 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: one of the blessings of liberty. And that sound you're 115 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,799 Speaker 1: hearing right now, by the way, is James Madison rolling 116 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: over in his grave at the very thought. I mean, 117 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: there are people on the right who believe that if 118 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: we don't tell perverts at the Drag Queen Story Hour 119 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: that they can't work for little children, why then the 120 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: left will tell us that we can't go to church 121 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: on Sunday. And I think, first of all, they're already 122 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: telling us we can't go to church on Sunday they're 123 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: telling us that for about a year. But even more broadly, 124 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: if we really cannot discern between drag Queen story Hour 125 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: and going to church, if we cannot discern between good 126 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: and bad, and right and wrong, and true and false, 127 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: then we have surrendered our capacity for self government, which 128 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: relies on faculties of reason, moral conscience, and the ability 129 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: and the courage to articulate plain facts. One of the 130 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: books that really affected me last year, I don't know 131 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: if you've seen it yet, is by a guy who 132 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: was born in Lebanon, survived the Lebanese Civil War, and 133 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: as he put it, left Lebanon, went to Canada and 134 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: ended up for twenty years in a cultural civil war 135 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: on the college campus where he teaches. And he said, frankly, 136 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: the cultural civil war was worse than the civil war. 137 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: And here's an odd name. It's Sad Saad. He's a 138 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: friend of mine and I know him quite well. He 139 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: wrote a book called The Parasitic Mind, How infectious ideas 140 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: are killing common sense? Back to your point at two levels, 141 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: One is all too many conservatives, or for that matter, 142 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: non radicals, don't have the nerve to simply say that's wrong. 143 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: It's not comprehended. That's wrong. We have descended into a 144 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: sort of radical skepticism on the right, which is too bad. 145 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: You know, I'm reminded of those early days of the 146 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: postwar conservative movement, men like William F. Buckley Junior, for instance, 147 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: coming out and bringing together this new coalition that would 148 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: result in great, many victories in the nineteen eighties and 149 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: nineteen nineties, you know quite well. And everyone remembers the 150 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: title of that first book that Bill Buckley had It 151 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: was God and Man at Yale, but very few people 152 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: remember the subtitle, which was the Superstitions of quote unquote 153 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: Academic Freedom. What he said was that academic freedom is 154 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: we talk about it today, is a hoax. It's a force. 155 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: It's a tool by the left to try to force 156 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: upon us a radical skepticism. But it's preposterous. No one 157 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: believes that Yale would hire a Nazi to teach sociology, 158 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: nor should it. Obviously, the university has a mission. Some 159 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: things are true and some things are false, and we 160 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: need to stand up for that. And then later on, 161 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: in a firing line debate with Leo Chern in nineteen 162 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: sixty six, Leo Chern was shocked to find out that 163 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: Bill Buckley did not support to totally open society. I 164 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: think often our society opens its mind so much that 165 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: its brain falls out. Buckley said, no, I don't want 166 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: to totally open society. He used one of these silly phrases. 167 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: He said, I'm an epistemological optimist, by which he meant 168 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: I think we can know things. I think certain things 169 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: are settled, and we can state them plainly and say, 170 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: as you say, this is wrong and this is right. 171 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: And I don't know where along the way we managed 172 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: to flip that. I think it's because we bought the 173 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: silly premises of the left, and then we've found ourselves 174 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 1: running in circles ever since. To see them on my 175 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: own generation, because I'm seventy eight now, and so I 176 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: came along in the sixties and seventies, and I think 177 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: there was almost a sense of fair play and a 178 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: sense of super confidence. I think it's easy to forget 179 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: that the generation that came out of World War two 180 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: I had such triumphalism about the American way of life, 181 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: about the values we fought for, about our capacity to 182 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: dominate economically, that everybody got pretty sloppy. So people could 183 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 1: come in and say, well, you know, imagine that there 184 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: is no moon, and they go, well, okay, why not. 185 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: It's not a big threat. And we've just gone a 186 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: slippery slope. And I don't think we realized that we 187 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: have active opponents. They get to replace our words with 188 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: their words. So George Washington is no longer the father 189 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: of our country. He is in fact a white racist 190 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: slave owner. And if we were to describe him as 191 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: the father of the country, there are schools where we 192 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: would be booed. No, you're seeing the importance of symbols 193 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: playing out. I mean, words, obviously are symbols, and so 194 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: that's the chief area of battle. And it's why the 195 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: left is so focused on getting all of us to 196 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: say that Bruce Jenner is she and her. I don't 197 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: just mean this about mister Jenner, but a great many 198 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: other people. If they can get us to deny a 199 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: plain reality before our eyes, then they really can get 200 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: quite close to redefining reality. But look at it. Over 201 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: the great national symbols right now, there was just a 202 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 1: host on MSNBC, Not that I would ever encourage anyone 203 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: to watch that channel, but there was a host on there. 204 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: It's very left wing who said that the American flag 205 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: is a symbol of hatred, quoting BLM that the American 206 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: flag is a symbol of hatred and our founding father's evil, 207 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:55,239 Speaker 1: terrible racist slave owners. And now you're seeing a reframing 208 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: of our nation's history. I mean, these were the words 209 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: of Nicole Hannah Jones in the nineteen project. Her central 210 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: thesis was a lie that the Revolution was fought to 211 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: defend slavery. But even beyond that, she doesn't care about 212 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: the fact. She cares about the framing, and she says 213 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: right out front, the purpose of this project is to 214 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: reframe American history to put slavery at the center of it. 215 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: You're seeing the reframing of our national Independence Day. There 216 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: is a new national Independence Day that derives from a 217 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: local tradition in Galveston, Texas. It's called Juneteenth. But the 218 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: name of the bill was not the Juneteenth Holiday. The 219 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: name of the bill was the juneteenth National Independence Day. 220 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: You're now seeing a black national anthem, a separate national anthem, 221 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: as though black people aren't part of America or something 222 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: like that. This is all part of an attack on symbols. 223 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: I think very often you'll hear conservatives say, oh, who cares? 224 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: Who cares about the words? Who cares about the pronouns? 225 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: Who cares about the symbols? My answer to them is 226 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: the left cares. The Left is investing a lot of 227 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: time and energy and resources into transforming our symbols. And 228 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: maybe they're doing it because that's quite a powerful tool. 229 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: And I think manifestly it is because they've been so 230 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: successful for the past several decades. And this goes back 231 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: to the shallowness about history. If everything is present iss 232 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: m then nothing's a threat. But if you have any 233 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: sense of the arc of history, you begin to realize 234 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: that we're in a a usually important period. I think that's 235 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: why the concept of your book, the whole notion that 236 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: paying attention to the words leads ultimately to shaping the minds, 237 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: and that if you can't say it, there's a pretty 238 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: good chance you can't think it well. And this, to 239 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: me is the real fear. Obviously, the fact that three 240 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: oligarchs in Silicon Valley, led by Hipster Respute and mister 241 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: Jack Dorsey, can sense the duly elected sitting president, that 242 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: is a great threat to the political order. If you 243 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: control speech, you control politics, as good old uncle Aristotle 244 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,479 Speaker 1: would tell us. But there is that more insidious pre censorship. 245 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: I just read this phrase that has become very popular 246 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: in legal and academic circles. The phrase is justice involved persons. 247 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: This is the new euphemism that refers to criminals, and 248 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: I thought, well, hold on a second here. You can 249 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: call criminals a great many things, but the one thing 250 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: you can't call them is justice involved, because by definition 251 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: they are involved in injustice. Or you think about this 252 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: phrase undocumented Americans. This is one of the newer euphemisms 253 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: for an illegal alien. The phrase undocumented American suggests it 254 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: implies that this person has a right to be in America. 255 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: They just don't have certain papers, but they'll get them. 256 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: Not a big deal. Illegal alien or for a national 257 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: or some other term like that implies that they don't 258 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: have a right to be in America because they are 259 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: citizens of another country. Whichever language you are going to 260 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: use here is going to set up the debate. And 261 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: in many ways, I think the left wins the debate 262 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: before it even begins. They do that in part by 263 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: a moral assertion. One of the things we have to 264 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: reteach ourselves is that the side ultimately that defines is 265 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: the side that believes enough that it can say things 266 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: with confidence. My favorite example, when asked, do you agree 267 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: with Reverend Martin Luther King Junior that the content of 268 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: your character is more important than the color of your skin, 269 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: it is ninety one to six, which means if we 270 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: could train all of our activists that every time somebody 271 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: starts down the road of race, they just cut them 272 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: off and say, you know, I actually agree with Reverend 273 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: King that it's the content of our character. Now do 274 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: you oppose Reverend King? Are you saying Reverend King was wrong? 275 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: It's a great line. I think this is why. By 276 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: the way, you're noticing the left making a big retreat 277 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: on the issue of critical race theory. They seem to 278 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: be giving different opinions out of different sides of their mouth. 279 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: On the one hand, they'll double down like the president 280 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: of the American Federation of Teachers and say we support 281 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: critical race theory. We defend critical race theory. And then 282 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: on the other hand they'll say, also, critical race theory 283 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: doesn't exist. Also, nobody's teaching it, So which one is it? 284 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: Because it reminds me of when doctor Fauci, who's another 285 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: brilliant wordsmith. Doctor Fauci came out and he said he 286 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: was arguing with Rand Paul, and he said, we are 287 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: not funding gain of function research for WUHAN, and by 288 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: the way, even if we are, it's totally fine. And 289 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: so wait a second, old though, what is it is? 290 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: Are we not doing it or it's totally fine? That, 291 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: by the way, is a totally different question that I'd 292 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: like to hear your take on. It's not precisely about speechless, 293 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: but it's about something even more fundamental. I just finished 294 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: doing a draft of a book called Beyond Biden, which 295 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: is designed to reassure people that there is, in fact 296 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: a world beyond Biden. I'm relieved to hear it. Yeah. 297 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: But while I was working on it, I found I 298 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: could not write a chapter in COVID. And the reason 299 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: I couldn't was the more research we did, the stranger 300 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: and weirder and more dishonest it is. And it actually 301 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: requires its own book. You can't do it in a chapter. 302 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: I was very fortunate in that I first ran for 303 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: office in nineteen seventy four during Watergate, against the dean 304 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: of the Georgia delegation. And my friend said to me, 305 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: you know you can't win, and I ended up getting 306 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 1: something like I don't know, forty eight point six percent, 307 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 1: and they were right. I didn't win. So I came 308 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: back two years later against the same dean of the delegation, 309 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: and I was at a great campaign until April when 310 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter won the Wisconsin primary and I realized I 311 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: was going to have Jimmy Carter at the head of 312 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: the Democratic ticket in Georgia, and so I had that 313 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: whole cycle to live through. And that was the best 314 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: campaign in my career. And it was so good that 315 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: by election day, because when you're the candidate, there's sort 316 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: of this inward feeling that people are nice to you, 317 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: and they applaud they come to your fundraisers. So by 318 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: election day, I thought I was going to win. And 319 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: I went to the Niva Loomis and Library to vote, 320 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: and I found myself standing behind four people who had 321 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: come from the nursing home and they'd come to get 322 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: revenge for Sherman's march through Georgia. And I stood there 323 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: as a Republican Yankee who had been born in Pennsylvania 324 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: and was an army brought and I thought to myself, 325 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 1: how likely is it that they're going to split their tickets. 326 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: And I knew it was going to be a long night, 327 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: which it was. So I lost. I came back in 328 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: one and seventy eight. But I give you that background 329 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: because Reagan was faced with us. He didn't have Rush, 330 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 1: he didn't have Fox, you know, he didn't have all 331 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: the various tools we have. But he learned that if 332 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: you seized language dominance and had just relentless repetition, that 333 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: you would break the other side because people would look 334 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,719 Speaker 1: at the two choices and over time they'd say, that's crazy. 335 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: So yesterday I was talking to a great African American 336 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: who I hope is going to run for office, and 337 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: he was saying to me, this whole thing about race 338 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: is crazy. He said, I have a son who's half Italian. 339 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: Now what am I supposed to say to him? You know? 340 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: And he said there were eleven of us on the 341 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: football team. And I didn't say, gee, I'd like to 342 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: run behind the black guy. I said, recruit the best 343 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: line you can get, because I need him to run behind. 344 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: And they said, this whole current thing is just nuts, 345 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,479 Speaker 1: which you may have seen. George Foreman said last weekend 346 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: that he was not going to tolerate people telling him 347 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: he had to hate America because he loved America. I 348 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: was so pleased to see at least one athlete left 349 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: who standing up for America happens to be George Foreman. 350 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: I think the sports provides an interesting insight into this, 351 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: which is I think beyond opportunists such as Colin Kaepernick, 352 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: or that woman who disrespected the American flag at the 353 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: Olympic Trials, or you know, a handful of people who 354 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: get all the headlines. I strongly suspect that most professional 355 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: athletes are fairly patriotic people, and yet the anti American 356 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: voices are the ones that we hear most clearly because 357 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: they are amplified by all of the institutions which the 358 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: left dominates. Because our professional sports leagues have almost entirely 359 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: sold out to China, they work at the behest of Nike, 360 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: and Nike is, as its CEO recently told us, a 361 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: brand of China and for China. I think that's quite 362 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: a shock to many Americans who wear Nike sneakers, or 363 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: who at least used to, and so they get this 364 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: disproportionate play. And this I think was part of the 365 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: plan from the beginning in speechless, I quote at length 366 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: this Italian Marxist philosopher Antonio Gramsci. He was the founder 367 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: of the Italian Communist Party. Very important thinker, and just 368 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: to give you a sense of how influential he has 369 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: been in leftist circles here in America. A co founder 370 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: and a former president of the International Gramshi Society, was 371 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: a man by the name of Joseph Budigedge. He rendered 372 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: the only English translation we have of the prison notebooks. 373 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,239 Speaker 1: If that name sounds familiar, it's because his son ran 374 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: for president, and his son is now the Transportation secretary. 375 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: And by the way, he was one of the most 376 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 1: milktoast people in the whole party. So you think, goodness gracious, 377 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 1: if even the moderates have this kind of intellectual pedigree, 378 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: what do the radicals have? So what Grams she understood 379 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: was that a radical revolution along Marxist lines would not 380 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: take place, because no revolution can succeed if it doesn't 381 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: have the common sense. You know, those poor oppressed masses, 382 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: we're just waiting to be liberated by the radical theorists. 383 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: But it turns out they didn't like all the radical theories. 384 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: They liked their traditions and their community and their countrymen. 385 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: Gramshi sets out and he says the radicals need to 386 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: attain cultural hegemony, which they will do by waging not 387 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: a war of maneuver, advance and treat but a war 388 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: of position, by attaining positions of influence within the established institutions. 389 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: And then, just like Hemingway describes going bankrupt as then 390 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: suddenly you gradually attain all this power, and then you 391 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: wield it. And I think probably we're in the suddenly 392 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: portion today. Lest anybody accuse me by the way of 393 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: conspiracy theorizing, I've got something like a hundred pages of 394 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: notes and citations in the book that the thinkers who 395 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: develop this refer pretty explicitly to these thinkers. And I 396 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: just fear that conservatives have not taken that kind of 397 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: a systematic approach. We care very much about winning the 398 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: next election, We care very much about this fundraiser the 399 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: next But the left was looking at a long game 400 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: that has given them such power that even if the 401 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: majority of voices in this country are perfectly ordinary, patriotic, 402 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: good people, they will be drowned out because we don't 403 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: have the microphone. I think that's exactly it. Because one 404 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: of the things that's happened with me as I went 405 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: through this process of realizing that if you measure against 406 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,719 Speaker 1: the radical left, which in many ways includes a Biden 407 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: and Schumer and Pelosi and Harris, you know, one of 408 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: Trump's greatest contributions may in the end have been creating 409 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: a false sense of security on the left so that 410 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: when they won, they thought they could run around with 411 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: really weird ideas and that people would be for them, 412 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: because after all, the alternative Trump, so they said, you 413 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: either have to be for truly insane things or you're 414 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,719 Speaker 1: for Trump. Gradually people are begin to go, oh, okay, well, yes, 415 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: this means I must be for Trump because you're nuts. Well, 416 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,479 Speaker 1: I think there's some proof of this right now, by 417 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: the way, because the left, I guess, the polling finally 418 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: came in for them and they realize that some of 419 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: their insane plans are not playing very well in Peoria. 420 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: So you have, for instance, Chris Cuomo on CNN comes out, 421 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: he says, you know, no one on this program has 422 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: ever defended riots or political violence, and then you cut 423 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: to the clip of him last summer and he explicitly 424 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: defends BLM riots and says they don't need to be peaceful, 425 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: or you look at some people on the left. They've 426 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: called for the abolition of the police. And obviously it's 427 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: not going very well, especially with crime spikes around the country. 428 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: And so now you have Jensaki at the spokesman at 429 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: the White House saying, actually, it's the Republicans who wanted 430 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: to fund the police. I don't remember that ever happening. 431 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: So they're trying to gaslight very well, because I think 432 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right that President Trump gave them the sense 433 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: of security to come out and say this is what 434 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: we're really about. Tear down the statues, tear down the country. 435 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: And now they've been exposed for them, and I think 436 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: people far beyond Trump. And I was reminded that in 437 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six when Jerry Ford, having won the nomination, 438 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: invited Reagan to come down and speak at the convention. 439 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: Reagan's opening line is, my fellow Republicans in the hall 440 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: and all of the Democrats and independence around the country 441 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: who share our values and as part of why when 442 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: we put together the campaign of ninety four, it's the 443 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: contract with America. It's not a contract with the Republicans, right, 444 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: or a contract with conservatives. It's because there are obviously 445 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 1: a great many people, and you see this is coming 446 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: out more and more each day, who say I thought 447 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: I was a liberal. I've never considered myself a conservative. 448 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: But I can't go along with critical race theory or 449 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: transgender ideology for kids burning the American if I can't 450 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: do that, and so I guess I'm not a conservative, 451 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: but I'm something else. I suppose. Yeah, I can't go 452 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: along with hating the American flag. Yeah. So there's this 453 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: whole series of things coming along. One of the things 454 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: you might look at for a future book. In response 455 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: to both the siege of the Trump planet and the 456 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: radicalism of the Democrats in the House, Senate, and White House, 457 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: you have a red state resurgence of conservatism that is 458 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: kind of astonishing. I mean, where they're just going head 459 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: to head with the left and medium on issue after 460 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: issuing outlawing critical race theory, outlawing sixteen nineteen in ways 461 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: that six years ago would have been impossible. You know, 462 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: I think part of this is because I don't know 463 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: the past ten or fifteen years, so many arguments from 464 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: the right, we're really just arguments about efficiency or trimming 465 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: around the edges or reduced this regulation a little here, 466 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: or cut taxes a little here. But they weren't they 467 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: weren't really making arguments that got to the heart of 468 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,959 Speaker 1: the matter. I think there are really only two issues 469 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: that we've done a tremendous job at over the past 470 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: thirty forty years as conservatives, and those issues are abortion, 471 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,719 Speaker 1: where we've held the line and actually made some gains, 472 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: especially at the state level, and guns we've made some 473 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: gains at the courts and in legislation. And you'll notice 474 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: those are two issues where the arguments are not about 475 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: efficiency or managing things a little better. There are arguments 476 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: from justice, their arguments from as you said earlier, this 477 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: is right and this is wrong. And what you're seeing 478 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: now at the states on critical race theory or any 479 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: of these other issues, we're seeing arguments from justice and 480 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: ordinary Americans who are conservative or otherwise coming out and saying, 481 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: I don't care what silly jargon you got, I don't 482 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: care how many spreadsheets you've got. This is wrong and 483 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: I know it, and you know it. And I think 484 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: if we have a bit more of that, I think 485 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: we'll be able to make a more persuasive argument. Now, Michael, 486 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: I'm very caseul. What do you make of the fact 487 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: so we have had just an extraordinary increase in the 488 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: purchase of both guns and ammunition. I mean, we're now, 489 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: you know, with the possible exception of Afghanistan, the most 490 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: heavily armed country on the planet. Well, as you pointed 491 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: out earlier with the agreement, it ain't just Republicans. You 492 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,479 Speaker 1: don't get these kinds of gun sales and ammunition sales 493 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: among just Republicans. And I think anecdotally we all know 494 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 1: a number of Democrats, liberals or former liberals who have 495 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: gone out and said, you know, with crime spiking, with 496 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: people calling to abolish the police, I'm going to go 497 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: get a gun. I've purchased my first rifle back when 498 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: I lived in nus Cellini's failed state of California, because 499 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: actually at the time it was Governor Moonbeam who was 500 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: running the state because he had threatened to outlaw certain rifles. 501 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: And I said, well, I guess I've got to go 502 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: buy one right now. And a lot of other people 503 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: did that as well. I think you're seeing people recognize 504 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: that their rights, even their basic civil rights, like the 505 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 1: right to own a gun are being seriously threatened right now. 506 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: You've got unified Democrat government. Thankfully Joe Manchin and Kirsten 507 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: Cinema have held the line for now. We'll see how 508 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: much longer that lasts. And so they're beginning to say, 509 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: if I don't exercise my basic rights now, if I 510 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: do not participate in the American tradition right now, I 511 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: may lose it. Because when you've got not just unified government, 512 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: but then the left dominating literally every single other institution, 513 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: that is a position of political disadvantage that cannot well. 514 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating. On the one hand, we have 515 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: a very uphill, very daunting challenge. On the other hand, 516 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: as with guns, we have this country where the country's moving, 517 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: and every once in a while in American history, people 518 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: just run over the establishment and my hunches. In the 519 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: not very distant future, you're going to see people like 520 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: Zuckerberg suddenly just collide with the reality that they can't 521 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: quite imagine. It was nineteen o two. The coal miners 522 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: didn't want to settle a strike, and Theodore Roosevelt brought 523 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: him into the White House, and the coal miners explained 524 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: that under private property rights was their property and they 525 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: weren't going to do it, and he explained he was 526 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: the president United States, and when the US Army took 527 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: over their minds the next morning, they might want to 528 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: rethink that, at which point they said, you know, we'd 529 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: really be glad to chat with you right now and 530 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: skip that other phase. Whether it was the railroads or 531 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: standard oil or at and T. I mean, we've had 532 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: a whole series of moments were the oligarchs looked like 533 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: they were totally dominant, and then they weren't. I think, 534 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: by the way that these arguments that some people are 535 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: still making these arguments that, oh, well, Google is a 536 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: private company or Facebook is a private company, and so 537 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: we can't tell them what to do. First of all, 538 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: I'd be curious about their definition of private. Last I checked, 539 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: Google has a pretty cozy relationship with the federal government. 540 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: I guess it depends they have a cozy relationship with 541 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: the Chinese government. I think they have a cozy relationship 542 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: with our government as well. But Facebook, the same thing 543 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: is true, Twitter, the same thing is true. And so 544 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: President Trump right now is suing for the supposed violation 545 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: of his First Amendment rights. He may have an argument 546 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: if he can convince judges that the government in some 547 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: way was using big tech as a way to bust him. 548 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: But even beyond that narrow question, just consider the broader question. 549 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: If you've got three oligarchs in Silicon Valley who are 550 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,959 Speaker 1: controlling ninety percent of the flow of information around the Internet, 551 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: which is the public square, which is the way that 552 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,719 Speaker 1: we govern ourselves, is by persuading and speaking to one 553 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: that it's why language is so important. That is simply 554 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: an unacceptable situation for a free people, And a free 555 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: people is absolutely within its right to find a political 556 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: solution to that. And they can prattle on all day 557 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: about their rights as a small little mom and pop 558 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: Facebook or a small little mom and pop Google, but 559 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: I just don't want to hear it. We the people, 560 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: have the right to assert ourselves. And by the way, 561 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: as Mitch McConnell said not too long ago, if my 562 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: rights are being taken away and my political traditions being 563 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: upended by a woke corporation that is acting like a 564 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: parallel government, well that is no great consolation to me 565 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: that it isn't big government doing it, that it's some 566 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: fellow in Silicon Valley and Teddy Roosevelt actually has talked 567 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: about this, as did Barry Goldwater. We are against all 568 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: sorts of unlimited power, and I think people across the aisle, 569 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: but especially on the right, are waking up to that. 570 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: I think it's very important conceptually, because, you know, stepping 571 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: aside from Trump, who obviously polarizing, when these organizations either 572 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: out of collusion, because they got together to breakfast, or 573 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: just because they intuit what the virtuous would do when 574 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: they cut off the oldest newspaper in America and the 575 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: fourth largest. I mean, it's not a trivial. You're looking 576 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: at the New York Post a few weeks before an election, 577 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: and these idiots who happened to have been lucky one 578 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: time and hit bingo. I mean, that's what we're talking about. 579 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: These are guys who could easily have gone broke, in 580 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: which case we wouldn't even notice the except they might 581 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: belong to a local rotary club. But they happen to 582 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: get lucky, and now, much like Russian honigarchs, they now 583 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: believe that that is vested in them, that God came 584 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: down and gave them wisdom, money and power, and therefore 585 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: they have to exercise wisely for the rest of us, 586 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: not just power to control the public flow of information, 587 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: not just power to say you can't post this, even 588 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: the private transmission of this information. When I saw the 589 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: New York Post story, which we now know was just 590 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: completely accurate, but at the time we were told this 591 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: is misinformation. I forget if they blamed the Russians or 592 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: the Ukrainians. It's always one of those guys. But in anyway, 593 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: that's why we can't send it. I could not even 594 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: privately message that article until after it was no longer 595 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: politically dangerous for them. Whoopsie, Daisy, our mistake. I guess 596 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: the reporting was somewhat credible. Well, no big deal. That 597 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: kind of political control is terrify. It's unacceptable and you 598 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: can't help. But notice it only ever goes in one direction, 599 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: which is why the left is quite about it. I 600 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: have a hunch the reality is going to overwhelm structure. 601 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty, Reagan, who had been far too radical 602 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: for the Easterners and who was seeing as too old 603 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: and you go down the list, but the country looked around, 604 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: essentially and said, Okay, we know Jimmy Carter's failed, and 605 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: we know Carter has promised less energy, lower standard of living, 606 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: less hope. I mean, if you go back and you 607 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: read some of the stuff. I'm reading a book on 608 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: Reagan and Carter just to get a flavor for what 609 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: I think is coming. Because Carter had caught up in 610 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: this stuff. He couldn't get out of it. I mean, 611 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: he had inflation, he had unemployment, he had the hostage 612 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: crisis and Iran, and he couldn't get out of it. 613 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: And Reagan comes along cheerfully, and one of his great 614 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: lines he said, if your neighbor is unemployed, it's a recession. 615 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: If you're unemployed, it's a depression. If Carter's unemployed, it's 616 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: a recovery. On this very point that you're making, it 617 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: is the great conservative hope. I think that reality will 618 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 1: reassert itself in the end. I think Russell Kirk may 619 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: have described that as the great conservative consolation. And it's 620 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: actually on the level of language. You see this theory 621 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: of the euphemism treadmill. It came out from Stephen Pinker 622 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: at Harbor, and what Pinker described is you can change 623 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: the words, but eventually the reality of what the words 624 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: are describing is going to reassert itself, and it's going 625 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: to color, even those nice shiny words. And now I 626 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: think the words do have some sort of a longer 627 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: lasting effect. And so it becomes a battle between the 628 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: words smiths, the redefiners, and the reality. But I think 629 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: you have struck on the central hope that we have, namely, 630 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: you can't lie about reality forever well, And I think 631 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: in a sense, that's what Burke was all about it. 632 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 1: I mean, Burke is saying, look, the French Revolution by 633 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: definition will devour itself. You know, it has no choice. 634 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: It's the nature of that kind of organism. And you 635 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,399 Speaker 1: talked about the historical sense earlier. One of the most 636 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: shocking things the first time you read Burke and you 637 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 1: realize that he's writing before the Terror, obviously before Napoleon, 638 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 1: is that he predicts everything. Because Burke has an understanding 639 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: of an historical sense and also of the way that 640 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: politics is going to play out practically. I mean, the 641 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: man the roof of the pudding is in the tasting, 642 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: and you can see that those certain ideas are going 643 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: to have certain consequences. Well, that's partner where I take 644 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 1: heart when I read things like Sad's book, because my 645 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 1: instinct is and then I've lived through it several times. 646 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: Now the left in the end can't help itself because 647 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: they really are and offers term they really are true believers. 648 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 1: Years ago, one of my minor contributions to American government, 649 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: we had liberated the island of Grenada. Grenada had a 650 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: genuinely Stalinist regime and luckily for us, they spoke English, 651 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 1: so you can actually get the Grenada Papers, which were 652 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: the governing documents of their ruling group who met every day. 653 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: And I was a backbench member and I got the 654 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: State Department to publish it because it's the first time 655 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: we'd ever had the actual internal working documents of the 656 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: communist dictatorship. Well, it's hysterical. The system's collapsing. This is 657 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 1: a tiny island made up mostly of people from Africa 658 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: surviving based largely on agriculture and tourism, and it's collapsing. 659 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: And they decide they will have meetings every Tuesday afternoon 660 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 1: for two hours to study the writing of Stalin. Now 661 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,280 Speaker 1: you have a Georgia bank robber in the largest country 662 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 1: in the world, in an extraordinarily cold climate, writing stuff 663 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: that's being read by these guys who are trying to 664 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: figure out what should we do in a sense, it's 665 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: exactly the point of your book. Stalin's History of the 666 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: Soviet Revolution is one of the key documents that you 667 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: study if you're in the Chinese communist hierarchy, and I 668 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: read about it, and boy is it hard. I mean, 669 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:09,839 Speaker 1: but it shows you how to organize a hierarchical Leninist party, 670 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: and they believe it and they do it. This is, 671 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: of course why you see so much of the focus 672 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 1: of the left is on education. You think, why are 673 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: they so obsessed with third and fourth grade? I think 674 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: also why they're trying to extend preschool now, to be 675 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: you come out of the womb and then about three 676 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: days later you start preschool and you remain in graduate 677 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: school until you're forty two. If you can have that 678 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: period of time where you are shaping not even just ideas, 679 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,359 Speaker 1: not even just skills, but the very words that you 680 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: use to describe your culture, why you've controlled the body 681 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: politic and especially if you can undermine liberal education, then 682 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,839 Speaker 1: people will not know how to make sense of their 683 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: own freedom, which is the very point of that education. 684 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:51,280 Speaker 1: I mean to say, I think you are making two contributions. 685 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: One with your show, The Michael Knowles Show, at the 686 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: Daily Ware and two with this great new book which 687 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 1: is already among those who actually books sold and bestseller, 688 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 1: and among those on the left who can't count you're 689 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 1: going to get there because they won't be able to 690 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: stop the momentum. But I think Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling 691 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: Minds is exactly right and did come out on the 692 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 1: day that the Germans attacked Russia in nineteen forty one, 693 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: so there's a certain historic sensibility about that. I appreciate 694 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: so much. Michael, you're joining us, and I hope anytime 695 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 1: you want to, you feel free to come back and 696 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: we'll continue this dialogue. Well, the pleasure is on mine. 697 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 1: It's a real honor to speak with you, Speaker Gangwich, 698 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 1: and I really really appreciate it. Thank you to my 699 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: guest Michael Knowles. 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