Speaker 1: Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition
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Speaker 1: so tired, but I'm here and I'm gonna talk about
Speaker 1: all of the news. This Daylight saving his time as
Speaker 1: a disaster for myself and my my youngsters. My angsters
Speaker 1: are going to bed late and getting up at the
Speaker 1: same time. It's just absolute brutal. But I am here today,
Speaker 1: So if I look tired, I'm not on I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm on Death Store. But anyway, what have we
Speaker 1: got to talk about here today? In The Rock? That's
Speaker 1: Rock going to do WrestleMania, Well maybe someday. I've often
Speaker 1: been skeptical about whether The Rock is gonna do WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: Definitely not doing wrestle Mania this year, it appears, and
Speaker 1: he did an interview talking about this with a dish Nation.
Speaker 1: So we'll tell you what he has to say about
Speaker 1: that today. Lots of interesting interviews. There was a story
Speaker 1: in Eddie Kinston everyone's talking about here today. We can
Speaker 1: give you some quotes from that. We have got to
Speaker 1: the SmackDown and Rampage ratings from Friday night, neither of
Speaker 1: which were good, but neither of which we're bad. It's
Speaker 1: it's a week, so we'll talk about those, and also
Speaker 1: Kaylee Ray returning to action. We have an n x
Speaker 1: T line of for tonight. Four matches announced for n
Speaker 1: x T tonight, which is much better than the number
Speaker 1: that we're announced for Raw yesterday. We have our weekly
Speaker 1: Raw report, which I know everybody is a big fan of.
Speaker 1: For those of you that are baffled that a braun
Speaker 1: Breaker has to be braun Breaker and not rex Steiner
Speaker 1: Bronson rex Steiner, the son of Rick Steiner. Apparently reck
Speaker 1: Steiner was gonna be at Halloween Havoc, but it fell through.
Speaker 1: We'll tell you about that and so much more as well.
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Speaker 1: talk about raw later, but before that. Dwayne the Rock
Speaker 1: Johnson is addressed the possibility of facing Roman Reigns in WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: In an interview with Andrew Frooned of Dish Nation, Rock
Speaker 1: stated that there was quote no truth to the rumor
Speaker 1: that he would face the Universal Champion. In a similar
Speaker 1: interview with Comic book dot Com, Johnson did not rule
Speaker 1: out another match, but said any inn ring scenario would
Speaker 1: have to make sense. There is no true to that
Speaker 1: right now. Possibly down the road, we'll see, he said.
Speaker 1: We stay very close to myself in Roman reigns. In
Speaker 1: a Comic Book dot Com interview, Johnson was asked a
Speaker 1: more direct question about whether or not he's he's a
Speaker 1: w w E title reign in his future. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I have another title run considering him the
Speaker 1: People's Champion, I don't know if it's another title run. Possibly,
Speaker 1: you know, there might be another match down the road.
Speaker 1: It would have to make sense. So as we talked
Speaker 1: about for a while, clearly that's one of the big
Speaker 1: matches that they want for for Roman reigns, and whether
Speaker 1: he'll ever get it, I don't know. It doesn't look
Speaker 1: like it's happening this year very much. Looks if you,
Speaker 1: if you watch what they've done of a eight, that
Speaker 1: the plan for this year's WrestleMania is like the the
Speaker 1: this this match should get an award. Most WrestleMania's headlined
Speaker 1: Roman Reigns versus brock Lessner. So that appears to be
Speaker 1: the direction they're going. And after that, it's like who's
Speaker 1: left for Roman reigns. I mean, the big three were
Speaker 1: John Cena, brock Lessner, and the Rock. So if it's
Speaker 1: not the Rock this year, they're gonna try and get
Speaker 1: the Rock for for twenty twenty three. I mean, can
Speaker 1: you imagine, first off, Rock would be like fifty one
Speaker 1: years old, a decade removed from the last time he
Speaker 1: had a match, and you know, tore half the muscles
Speaker 1: in his body, a huge movie star white take the risk.
Speaker 1: There's that. And also I mean, as we as we
Speaker 1: have seen already, like who has left for Roman reigns.
Speaker 1: If we have one match with Brock at WrestleMania this
Speaker 1: year and then another match with Rock and WrestleMania next year,
Speaker 1: do you know how many Like there's so many pay
Speaker 1: per views in between, we're gonna have We're gonna have
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods challenging for the title as the King, and
Speaker 1: you know, Sammy Zane is gonna get a three week
Speaker 1: push or something. I don't know. I just don't think
Speaker 1: his match is never gonna happen. I don't think so,
Speaker 1: but I've been wrong before, So if it pushes it
Speaker 1: toe by that point, let's see April of would the
Speaker 1: Rock have have had to already declare to run for
Speaker 1: the presidency the United States? And because a lot of
Speaker 1: people think he's got political aspiration, Well it's simple, Mike.
Speaker 1: You you you lose your retire and then at WrestleMania,
Speaker 1: following the main event, you announced you will be running
Speaker 1: for president. Ah. I don't think he's running for president
Speaker 1: in how about governor California, which would set up nicely
Speaker 1: with where they're going to be in Los Angeles. I
Speaker 1: think he could run for president eight tell you that much. Okay,
Speaker 1: let him jump in for governor. Governor? What do you
Speaker 1: think he has some jabrony? That's true, you got right
Speaker 1: to the top. You know, why have any political experience
Speaker 1: because that's worked out so well for us in the
Speaker 1: past here in America. That worked well for the guy
Speaker 1: in terms of getting elected. That's I guess maybe it
Speaker 1: would It would he be the highest uh, I mean
Speaker 1: in all of pro wrestling history. Yeah, say, we gotta
Speaker 1: call up Carl Stern. I mean, what's the highest level
Speaker 1: of office that has been involved directly in a pro
Speaker 1: wrestling storyline? I know Governor Jesse Ventura at SummerSlam. I
Speaker 1: believe it was that one year, actually was the guest referee.
Speaker 1: But have we had any governors that have gotten in
Speaker 1: the ring at any point? Have we gotten any presidential candidates?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? The president? The last president we
Speaker 1: had was in a WrestleMania made event. I mean a
Speaker 1: wrestler though he was he was in there, well, I
Speaker 1: mean he didn't actually wrestle, but I mean he was
Speaker 1: actually he was a head liner WrestleMania. Alright. We also
Speaker 1: have this interview with with Eddie Kingston everyone's been talking
Speaker 1: about and a pieces of the Players tribute and a WS.
Speaker 1: Eddie Kingston opened up about his upbringing, how he almost
Speaker 1: quit wrestling, dealing with both mental health issues and alcohol
Speaker 1: and drug issues, his big break coming to terms with
Speaker 1: where he's at in the wrestling business. What am I
Speaker 1: talking about? His upbringing in Yonkers, getting the wrestling bug
Speaker 1: through watching tapes and eating Chinese food his Friday reward
Speaker 1: if he stayed out of trouble in school. I'll have
Speaker 1: to remember that for pay except she only likes about
Speaker 1: four foots. Watching wrestling was always my escape. It was
Speaker 1: like my little sanctuary. Is probably the only thing that
Speaker 1: kept me out of jail. In high school. My friends
Speaker 1: used to be calling me up at night to come
Speaker 1: and get up to who knows what. I had stayed
Speaker 1: at home by myself to watch Raw or the Super
Speaker 1: Jacob or e c W. He was kicked out of
Speaker 1: school due to a fight, took an iron workers job
Speaker 1: with relatives to He decided one day he wanted to
Speaker 1: become a pro wrestler. Detailed the struggles to make ends
Speaker 1: meet at night, in which only eight fans were in
Speaker 1: the building for a show, but the reactions of one
Speaker 1: particular fan helped keep him going. Detailer he turned to
Speaker 1: alcohol and painkillers to cope. I drank, christ did I drink.
Speaker 1: I became a bouncer just so I could drink more
Speaker 1: on the weekends. I started drinking at one on Saturday,
Speaker 1: bounced the bar till seven, go and wrestled, and come
Speaker 1: back to the bar after and drink till seven in
Speaker 1: the morning. Wake up the next day it was football Sunday,
Speaker 1: A drink from noon till to am. Described a story
Speaker 1: where he disappeared in an alcoholic binge, miss dates, broke
Speaker 1: his cell phone, caused concerns with friends. He woke up
Speaker 1: one day, went to his mailbox. There was a letter
Speaker 1: from Larry Sweeney, who was worried about him and said
Speaker 1: he felt like he lost his best friend. He wrote
Speaker 1: him a letter. Kingston then turned around and said if
Speaker 1: he hadn't gotten that letter, he probably would have drank
Speaker 1: himself to death. Kingston said he nearly quit the business
Speaker 1: and his brother talked him out of it, saying, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to tell his son that his uncle Eddie
Speaker 1: was a quitter. Kept going, but the pandemic hid. He
Speaker 1: had to sell his gear to even make a mortgage payment.
Speaker 1: He got a call to an outdoor show a New
Speaker 1: Jersey where he decided to cut a promo on several wrestlers.
Speaker 1: This got the attention of a w He was brought
Speaker 1: in for the T and T title Open challenge against Cody.
Speaker 1: He described how Brodi Lee fired him up before the match,
Speaker 1: and about about Lee and John at Moxley were there
Speaker 1: afterwards to give their stamp of approval of his performance.
Speaker 1: Several weeks later, on in vacation with his girlfriend after
Speaker 1: he was under contract, the realization of the point he
Speaker 1: was at in his career finally hit him. I just
Speaker 1: started crying. The wave came over me. I finally understood
Speaker 1: what was happening. I stood bawling right there in the car.
Speaker 1: I've been It's I have been everything in this life,
Speaker 1: angry kid, depressed, teenager, and addict. I've seen so many
Speaker 1: holding cells who would make your head spin I've missed up,
Speaker 1: self destructed, burned bridges, but down to my last dollar.
Speaker 1: The only reason I'm still doing this, the only reason
Speaker 1: I'm still on this earth is because all of my
Speaker 1: friends never stopped having my back. And he tweeted afterwards
Speaker 1: that the whole moral of the story is just keep going.
Speaker 1: That is the moral of the story from Eddie Kingston.
Speaker 1: He's been through a lot, he says, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: through more because life is life, but just keep going.
Speaker 1: So he's uh, the whole article is up there, there's
Speaker 1: a link to any think on the front page of
Speaker 1: Wrestling Observer dot com. But it's gonna be tough to
Speaker 1: ever turn this guy. He'll you know, maybe you can
Speaker 1: do it because fans love him so much they'll go
Speaker 1: along with it. But man's a baby face to the cord,
Speaker 1: just like Moxley. These two gritty, angry, violent men baby faces,
Speaker 1: Because aren't we all baby faces at our core? When
Speaker 1: we all strip it away, when we are all vulnerable
Speaker 1: to the people that love us. Uh, you know we are,
Speaker 1: And there's always a good person inside. And that's again,
Speaker 1: And we talked about it over and over and over,
Speaker 1: the realness, the authenticity of Eddie Kingston, of John Moxley,
Speaker 1: of Brian Danielson, all of which are being able to
Speaker 1: be brought out on a w t V. But I
Speaker 1: can't stress enough for people to read this Player's Tribune
Speaker 1: dot com article by Eddie Kingston. It is everywhere. I'm
Speaker 1: sure everybody has retweeted it. Uh, you know you're gonna
Speaker 1: There's a lot in there that is very easy to
Speaker 1: relate to and very identifiable for me and I think
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. And the bottom line is,
Speaker 1: even if some of the things he talks about, some
Speaker 1: of the addictions, some of the troubles, some of the
Speaker 1: self sabotage that he's done to himself, even if you
Speaker 1: cannot relate to that, the story of this person is
Speaker 1: still easily relatable. And maybe if you haven't been that person,
Speaker 1: you've been on the other side having to try to
Speaker 1: deal with this person, to help this person, to to
Speaker 1: battle with this person, to to to go through all
Speaker 1: of this stuff. And uh, again, it's uh on in
Speaker 1: a time where we're we're talking about the realities of things, uh,
Speaker 1: and the reality of wrestling and how to get a
Speaker 1: motion and all that sort of stuff. You know, Eddie
Speaker 1: Kingston and this article is uh is really as real
Speaker 1: as you can get. You're back with more news after
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Speaker 1: Friday Night with a show back on Fox. Septer Aaring
Speaker 1: on FS won the previous week Friday's SmackDown two point
Speaker 1: zero nine three million viewers, down six point nine percent
Speaker 1: from the last time the show aired on Fox two
Speaker 1: weeks ago, SmackDown's lowest viewership on Fox since August thirteen.
Speaker 1: In the eighteen forty nine demo SmackDown point five seven
Speaker 1: down one point seven percent. Show finished second in the
Speaker 1: networks in that category, trailing Shark Tank, which today point
Speaker 1: six zero let all network programming, and eighteen to thirty
Speaker 1: four SmackDown down nine point six percent in overall viewers.
Speaker 1: The Rampage Show five and ninety nine thousand viewers, down
Speaker 1: three point nine percent, second highest viewership for the show
Speaker 1: since October one, eighteen and forty nine, A point to
Speaker 1: two which is down twelve percent from the previous week's show,
Speaker 1: tied the second lowest rating in that demo in Rampages history.
Speaker 1: Fifth in the cable charts in eighteen to forty nine
Speaker 1: Sports Competition was an ESPN game, two games, one point
Speaker 1: six million, one point two million, and b A. So
Speaker 1: those are the numbers there, And this is one of
Speaker 1: those weeks where you know, I saw, I saw the usual,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, a Rampage, five other shows dying. Then
Speaker 1: you point out it's fifth on cable. Oh, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: They got five bro fifth on cable. Here's the deal,
Speaker 1: as Dave noted last night, if you want to go
Speaker 1: by total viewership, then then SmackDown is probably gonna be
Speaker 1: moved to f S one because in total viewership they're
Speaker 1: almost always dead last. But in eighteen and forty nine
Speaker 1: they rank highly on the charts, So a fair comparison
Speaker 1: would be how they do on the charts, and SmackDown
Speaker 1: did very well in the charts and Rampage did very
Speaker 1: well on the charts. So there's there's no story here
Speaker 1: unless you want to make it a story and spout
Speaker 1: a bunch of gobbledee gook. I'm not a fan of
Speaker 1: if you make it a story, Nor am I a
Speaker 1: fan of the gobbledee Googer. What about Hector Guerrero himself? Hey,
Speaker 1: he was all right. He looked like all of my
Speaker 1: my relative Do you think he worked better my my
Speaker 1: father's my father's brother and literally, if you, I know,
Speaker 1: everyone looks at me and they go, look at this
Speaker 1: white guy. But if you, if you, if you saw
Speaker 1: pictures of all of my immediate relatives, I mean, we're
Speaker 1: the Guerrero clan. I don't know what happened to me,
Speaker 1: but so but but only Hector had like that wide mustache. Yeah,
Speaker 1: welcome to my family. Did you have one that looked
Speaker 1: like Chavo? Yes, Mondo. I mean my dad looks like
Speaker 1: Chabo classic right now, anybody in good of shape is
Speaker 1: Chavo Jr? Because I know you're right. What are you
Speaker 1: talking about? I'm not. I'm in the best shape of
Speaker 1: my life. I may not be big and muscular right now,
Speaker 1: but I can go brother. Uh, you know I had
Speaker 1: a point. Now I can't remember. You don't have a point,
Speaker 1: but I got a point. Wait, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on. You can start this fight. That's
Speaker 1: what it was. You can start the fight, but you're
Speaker 1: gonna lose the fight, Brian. How many times? How many
Speaker 1: people who want to make fun of a w and
Speaker 1: want to plan a flag and do all this battle
Speaker 1: over Friday ratings? How many times has professional wrestling throughout
Speaker 1: since the dawn of television? How long has it been
Speaker 1: on network commercial television? It's been on there forever? Right,
Speaker 1: we always get a stint of professional wrestling on. And
Speaker 1: what happens to professional wrestling on commercial network TV? Brian?
Speaker 1: Every time what happens just spears goes away. By that's
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen to SmackDown the A T And I
Speaker 1: know times have changed, days are a little bit different.
Speaker 1: When they resigned with Fox Bro, they absolutely might look
Speaker 1: Fox wanted this is part of a package where they
Speaker 1: were going to build up making a like a sports
Speaker 1: of men's Friday. You have SmackDown, which leads you into
Speaker 1: college football in the UFC or whatever they got obviously
Speaker 1: not the UFC anymore on Saturday, Major League Baseball, everything
Speaker 1: that they have there on into Sunday with their NFL coverage.
Speaker 1: So you know, it made complete sense. But it's also
Speaker 1: the thing that is when you start bringing in people
Speaker 1: like and I know, like there are people that are
Speaker 1: parcel towards w w E. But when you have you know,
Speaker 1: the dramatic originals that are creating things for Fox, you
Speaker 1: have all these other names, all these other people and
Speaker 1: all these other hands in the mix, Wrestling is usually
Speaker 1: the first thing out. So it's you know, it's great
Speaker 1: to squawk about SmackDown being on network TV and compared
Speaker 1: to a show that's on at ten o'clock on a
Speaker 1: cable station. And you know, to me, I would be
Speaker 1: careful about doing that, okay, because I know SmackDown does well,
Speaker 1: but again ten o'clock and for what they give their
Speaker 1: what they give t n T, they're happy. Look at
Speaker 1: what t n T. And we'll look at what Turner
Speaker 1: Television does late night anyway with with you know, the
Speaker 1: eighteen to forty nine group and the twelve to thirty
Speaker 1: four group because of adult swim. Again, for what they want,
Speaker 1: they're happy, and I don't know, I'm sure for what
Speaker 1: Fox wants they're happy too, but I would not. It's
Speaker 1: an impossible battle to try to fight. Nobody on a
Speaker 1: w side usually fights this the die hards. It's always
Speaker 1: somebody in w w E who wants to play compare
Speaker 1: and contrast, and you can't do it because the only
Speaker 1: thing you can say is, yeah, we're bigger, we're on
Speaker 1: network TV, but that usually doesn't work out too well.
Speaker 1: And frankly, compared to what they're doing at ten o'clock,
Speaker 1: what they're doing is a hell of a lot more impressive.
Speaker 1: Bottom line. Alright, So can I talk about n x
Speaker 1: T tonight now? Because I know everyone's asking what's the lineup?
Speaker 1: They're all excited for n x T two point oh
Speaker 1: tonight as am I of course, show is anyway, we've
Speaker 1: got toxic attraction. I know you're stunned to hear the
Speaker 1: toxic attractions on the show tonight. You know you have
Speaker 1: something for the old guys, Mandy g G and j C.
Speaker 1: Jane versus Eo Shirai, Caden Carter and Casey Caton Zoro.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of names, Mandy g C, j C,
Speaker 1: Kashida and Ikamanjiro Jack. At time, we'll be facing the
Speaker 1: Creed brothers, So let's all say a prayer or you've
Speaker 1: got Kaylee Ray versus Sarai and Joe Gacy versus Boa.
Speaker 1: I'm a little less excited after I read that, but
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna watch it tonight full of excitement because
Speaker 1: someday everyone, someday, Rick Steiner is probably gonna show up
Speaker 1: and embrace braun Breaker. According to Tomaso Champa, Rick Steiner
Speaker 1: was supposed to be at an XT Halloween havoc last month,
Speaker 1: until the appearance fell through and took place October twenty six,
Speaker 1: headline by Champa versus Steiner's son, braun Breaker, Champa retained
Speaker 1: the title. Champa told Talk Sports Steiner was supposed to
Speaker 1: be the show but pulled out at the last minute.
Speaker 1: Steiner was supposed to be all the Waeen Havoc. He
Speaker 1: pulled out last minute, maybe because I retained, but I
Speaker 1: won't say That's why I would love to be friends
Speaker 1: with him. I said to Braun I don't want to
Speaker 1: meet your dad. I want him to be my buddy.
Speaker 1: I want us to exchange numbers and whatever Rick Steiner does.
Speaker 1: He's probably not a big phone guy. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I just want to be friends with him. He
Speaker 1: don't be awesome. It don't be the greatest thing ever
Speaker 1: is if they did another match and braun Breaker won
Speaker 1: the title from Tomaso Champa and he he was about
Speaker 1: to be handed that belt, but suddenly, from out of
Speaker 1: the crowd came his father, and his father grabbed the
Speaker 1: n x T title and he wrapped it around bron
Speaker 1: Breaker's waist. And the answers go, what a wonderful moment.
Speaker 1: It's so great to see a Rick Breaker here. Would
Speaker 1: that be cool? You know what? They won't do, but
Speaker 1: they could do, because this could be a real case
Speaker 1: where this happened. I mean, I don't think he ran
Speaker 1: out of all of his money, but w W likes
Speaker 1: to bring back people and talk about how much they
Speaker 1: failed and how little money they've made their lives and everything,
Speaker 1: and and didn't didn't Rick have the show knees? Or
Speaker 1: was it Scott that had the show knees? That closed up?
Speaker 1: They could always bring that up and oh and I forgot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well Scott is persona on gratta right. That's why one
Speaker 1: of the reasons he can't be a Steiner is because
Speaker 1: of Scott Steiner. Is his picture still up at live
Speaker 1: events saying don't let this man in, say look at this.
Speaker 1: Everyone's making fun of the name braun Breaker. But as
Speaker 1: soon as I told that story, they were like, oh man,
Speaker 1: what a name? Brick Breaker. It's not bad, is it.
Speaker 1: That's not what they're saying. Yeah, they are. They're all
Speaker 1: like brick Breaker. They're all excited about the idea of
Speaker 1: brick Breaker. No, you are really just trying, Am I wrong? Everybody?
Speaker 1: Is that not an awesome name? Brick Breaker? You're losing
Speaker 1: your mind to try to defend this show and why
Speaker 1: you're watching it and trying to get people on board
Speaker 1: to watch this show. Dude, I'm not telling anybody to
Speaker 1: watch this show. I'm not that excited, you know what.
Speaker 1: I'm excited because I can walk on the treadmill while
Speaker 1: I watch it and get in shape. Oh you don't
Speaker 1: have the peloton yet? No, kid me, I'm old. Why
Speaker 1: don't you just walk outside? I do walk outside like
Speaker 1: probably eight months out of the year. But if you
Speaker 1: are here, Mike, you ain't gonna be walking outside either. Well,
Speaker 1: gale force wins and it's forty five, so it's you
Speaker 1: may as well just like you knows on ice like
Speaker 1: a cartoon and jump into the icy water. I'd rather
Speaker 1: walk indoors where it's warm, man, Are you kidding? The
Speaker 1: NFL guys pay a lot of money to have somebody
Speaker 1: to attach a parachute to their backs talking about the NFL.
Speaker 1: If you had better cardio, maybe you wouldn't have gassed
Speaker 1: out so many times with Filthy and ended up making
Speaker 1: yourself as the worst tag team of all time. I
Speaker 1: didn't gas out with Filthy one time, not a single time.
Speaker 1: It's not my fault. Was a horrible partner. He matches.
Speaker 1: I won without Filthy. Do you realize? Do you realize
Speaker 1: that I beat Marco stunt Clean in the middle of
Speaker 1: the ring with a super kicks You ever heard of
Speaker 1: Chris Christofferson? My my mother's on her favorite artist, Chris Christofferson.
Speaker 1: I beat his giant son, and his son's a giant kick.
Speaker 1: That guy right in the job pinned him in the
Speaker 1: middle of the ring. So what can I do? Nothing? Nothing?
Speaker 1: And he was a useless partner. And I mean that
Speaker 1: with all due respect. Are you saying he was a
Speaker 1: big sack of you know what? You can't say that
Speaker 1: it was a useless partner, But you know what, I
Speaker 1: was a useless partner to him as well. We were
Speaker 1: both useless. Otherwise we would have won something. We couldn't
Speaker 1: beat the Rock and Roll Express. They're in their sixties.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine can you imagine who took the who
Speaker 1: was looking at the lights in that match? Well, I
Speaker 1: was because tom was doing whatever, he was a legal man.
Speaker 1: I took the pin for him. I lost for him.
Speaker 1: It wasn't for me. He would have lost. You never
Speaker 1: really lost to the Rock and Roll Express because Tommy was.
Speaker 1: It was it was. It was unfair and everything like that.
Speaker 1: But I mean, we didn't win. I mean, you could
Speaker 1: say we didn't lose, that's fine, but the fact of
Speaker 1: the matter is we didn't win. It's all about winning
Speaker 1: in this wrestling game. Back in a moment, it was
Speaker 1: ever live to think I spent all that time wasting
Speaker 1: time talking about my career, and I realized we forgot
Speaker 1: to talk about Raw. But you know, it's fitting because
Speaker 1: I wasted less time talking about my career than Raw
Speaker 1: wasted last night. The show wasn't bad, but I swear
Speaker 1: to god, this was at best a ninety minute show
Speaker 1: that they found a way to stretch out to three hours.
Speaker 1: Was nothing on this show. So it opens up with
Speaker 1: this long segment with riddle in order in the Street Profits,
Speaker 1: which then leads to entrances for an eight man, which
Speaker 1: then leads to a twenty two minute match, which then
Speaker 1: leads to the post match. The first forty minutes of
Speaker 1: this show was centered around a j Omas Ziggler and
Speaker 1: Rude versus the street prophets Randy Orton and Riddle. Well
Speaker 1: don't forget Ko and seth Rawlins as well too. Well
Speaker 1: that's that's that was only like ten seconds. I'm talking
Speaker 1: like they spent forty minutes. Now. We had a lot
Speaker 1: of great workers in this match, so I mean in
Speaker 1: aj Styles is back after being gone for two weeks
Speaker 1: with no explanation. So the match was was hit and missed.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of good stuff, but then you
Speaker 1: know they're taken Omas and this guy is God bless him.
Speaker 1: He is horrible. And the thing that irritates me is
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to be because all you have to
Speaker 1: do is get him in there to be a giant,
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to say it's not that hard,
Speaker 1: but you know it's easier than running around really fast
Speaker 1: and trying to do karate and all this other crap
Speaker 1: they're having him do. Just be a giant that stands
Speaker 1: there and runs people over and destroys them. Oh, he's
Speaker 1: got to do spinning kicks and they all look horrible
Speaker 1: and he's like seven ft tall, he still can't kick
Speaker 1: above these people's chests. It's a disaster. So then finally
Speaker 1: at the end there's this big Shamas and the teams
Speaker 1: start fighting each other because we've got Survivor series coming up,
Speaker 1: rob Versus SmackDown, and the storyline is everybody and every
Speaker 1: team hates each other. How could you possibly care about
Speaker 1: Survivor series? So anyway, in the middle of all the Shamas,
Speaker 1: poor Riddle gets hit with the tree slam and then
Speaker 1: he's down for like five minutes while they do all
Speaker 1: their spots, just laying in the middle of the ring,
Speaker 1: and then finally Ziggler goes in there and pins his
Speaker 1: dead body. I mean, he's been down forever, and then
Speaker 1: Orton lays him out with the r k oh after
Speaker 1: the match, so forty minutes right there, we had a
Speaker 1: show long segment with Kevin Owens going around and asking
Speaker 1: all the baby Faces if they trusted him, and they're
Speaker 1: all kind of iffy about it. We had the announcement
Speaker 1: that Adam Pierce the GM who now we're going from
Speaker 1: baby Face GMS to Hell GMS. Him and Sonya both
Speaker 1: going hell. He says on Saturday, they announced all of
Speaker 1: the teams for ROBERSUS SmackDown, and I was disgusted that
Speaker 1: Dominic was put on that team because everybody is a
Speaker 1: former champion except Dominic. If you know what, Dominic, if
Speaker 1: you don't lose tonight, you can keep your spot on
Speaker 1: the team. So his opponent is Bobby Lashlely. Bobby Lashly
Speaker 1: kills this kid, makes him look like a geek. And
Speaker 1: then they announced that now this geek is off the
Speaker 1: team and Lashly is on the team, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: led to a segment later where raised furious and he's like, bro,
Speaker 1: if you don't want the guy on the team, don't
Speaker 1: you put him on the team for the first place,
Speaker 1: like when she just put Lashly in. And if you
Speaker 1: think I screwed up that line, you sure. Poor Ray
Speaker 1: Ray could not get this promo out. But at least
Speaker 1: he was supposed to be so angry. That made sense.
Speaker 1: But anyway, they made Dominic look like a geek and
Speaker 1: Pierce's going heel, and as was written on the front
Speaker 1: age report for the show, Dominic looked like a feeble loser.
Speaker 1: I could not have said it better myself. That's how
Speaker 1: they try to make baby faces, by the way, and
Speaker 1: make sure you highlight that line to say it again.
Speaker 1: Adam Pierce is going, Hell, that's what we need. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Adam Pierce is all upset about about the teams because
Speaker 1: you know, I guess he wants to raw to win,
Speaker 1: even though he's the GM of both brands. Like, what
Speaker 1: in the hell difference does it make who wins brand
Speaker 1: versus brand when you're the GM of both brands. No,
Speaker 1: this stuff makes any sense. But we have to do
Speaker 1: it every year because it's their goofy Halloween, Thanksgiving, whatever
Speaker 1: tradition whatever, whatever Sonya was, Holidays and in whatever that
Speaker 1: month is, Sonia wasn't enough Sonia working angles would Naomi
Speaker 1: that they don't really pay off. That's not enough. We
Speaker 1: have to have Adam Pierce be a heel idiot GM
Speaker 1: two like they He and Paul Hayman were the only
Speaker 1: non wrestlers, and there's early any wrestlers to take seriously,
Speaker 1: but like, at least he had something built up with
Speaker 1: Adam Pierce where there was some credibility to this guy.
Speaker 1: Now there's just none because you're an idiot, you're a goof.
Speaker 1: You find brock Lesner a million bucks or whatever it
Speaker 1: was okay, fine, you know that was cornball. It's something
Speaker 1: they want him to do, and he did a good
Speaker 1: job carrying it out. And then you bring him back
Speaker 1: to say, hey, we made these teams up, and we
Speaker 1: were burying the fact that, you know, we advertise these
Speaker 1: on on Twitter. If that was a decision made by him,
Speaker 1: he's an idiot as well too. But we go ahead
Speaker 1: and we post these on social media. I made the teams.
Speaker 1: Now I'm really embarrassed about putting you on there, and
Speaker 1: we can't take care of this before the show starts.
Speaker 1: We have to come out here and I need to
Speaker 1: call you out to the middle of the ring to
Speaker 1: disappoint you, to insult your son right in front of
Speaker 1: your face, and then have Bobby Lashly come down and
Speaker 1: kill your son in front of his face. This is dumb.
Speaker 1: It was just dumb. His heat just heat, dude, like
Speaker 1: do drop heat? Big like SHOTSI heat. Biggie beat Chad
Speaker 1: Gable in a non title match. The wrestling was good.
Speaker 1: It was five minutes. We had Sony de Ville back stage.
Speaker 1: She's I guess maybe she made these teams. It's Carmela's
Speaker 1: Lena Rhea Live and Bianca a bunch of other women
Speaker 1: show up. They're all angry that they're not on the team,
Speaker 1: including by the way, Nikki ash who was one half
Speaker 1: of the Tag Team Champions. She can't get on this team.
Speaker 1: But anyway, it's announced that the team members. As a
Speaker 1: way to get these team members ready to fight for
Speaker 1: the Raw brand, We're gonna put him in a five
Speaker 1: way where they'll fight each other tonight. Alright, whatever, we
Speaker 1: couldn't get Becky and Nicky Ash over to UH to
Speaker 1: the UK for the No, they had to be here
Speaker 1: for Raw. We had Drake Maverick versus Reggie in seven
Speaker 1: title match in the ring ends up with all the
Speaker 1: Geeks running down distraction. Drake Maverick wins the title. A
Speaker 1: Kira pins Drake Maverick, Corey Graves pins Ozawa, Byron Saxton
Speaker 1: pins Graves, Drake Maverick pins Saxon, Reggie pins Drake Maverick.
Speaker 1: He runs off with the belt. So now until the
Speaker 1: end of time we have to hear Byron Saxon bragging
Speaker 1: that he pinned the Corey Graves fatal five way Live
Speaker 1: Carmela Zelina, Biancan Rea Ripley. Between the video packages, the commercials,
Speaker 1: the ring entrances for all of the women, the post match,
Speaker 1: the pre match, the sixteen minute match itself, another thirty
Speaker 1: five minutes of television time for this match, and depending
Speaker 1: on who was in it was hit or miss. And
Speaker 1: finally Carmela went for a pin but she got cradled
Speaker 1: crucifix pin by Morrigan. Live Morgan winds now, it'll be
Speaker 1: Live Morrigan versus Becky Lynch at some point down the road,
Speaker 1: which assuredly Live Morgan will be losing. Well, I apologize, Andy.
Speaker 1: Becky Lynch stands out there too. Apparently she was over
Speaker 1: on that tour, so well she was, but then they
Speaker 1: brought her back for this so then so then in
Speaker 1: another segment that between commercials, video packages, interview segments, the
Speaker 1: ring announcements, the ring introductions, whatever. When they walk down
Speaker 1: to the ring, another thirty five minutes segment, it is
Speaker 1: seth Rawlins versus Kevin Owens. They wrestled for twenty three minutes.
Speaker 1: They all fall out of the ring. Kevin Owens bunks
Speaker 1: into Biggie. Kevin Owens can't make it back in. He
Speaker 1: has counted out of the ring. Twenty three minutes and
Speaker 1: forty six seconds for a count out and then Kevin
Speaker 1: Owens flips his lid and he destroys Big E and
Speaker 1: that's how the show goes off the year. Yes, I
Speaker 1: said the show wasn't that bad. It was better than
Speaker 1: it sounds because the people they were actually wrestling for
Speaker 1: twenty three minutes. I mean, the wrestling was good, but
Speaker 1: if you're looking at storylines and logic and build the
Speaker 1: Survivor series, it flat out sucked. But if you're a
Speaker 1: fan of the wrestlers wrestling in the ring and giving it,
Speaker 1: they're all the show was good. So there you go.
Speaker 1: Take your pick. I think a lot of these these
Speaker 1: w wly fans, they really don't think what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They just watched the guys doing flips and moves because
Speaker 1: they thought about it. They couldn't possibly like it. It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how they could, but it's they don't
Speaker 1: think about this stuff. I guess I don't know. Here's
Speaker 1: the one thing I know is Kevin Owens has been
Speaker 1: getting screwed over by Roman Reigns since what last year,
Speaker 1: So he began his year getting screwed over by Roman Reigns,
Speaker 1: and he and Biggie teamed up all summer long, all
Speaker 1: summer long, he teamed up with Biggie, was involved with
Speaker 1: things and you know, against Sammy Zane and whoever it
Speaker 1: would be, Baron Corbyn or what. So all of a
Speaker 1: sudden now, well not last week, Kevin Owens has to
Speaker 1: play like he doesn't see seth Rawlins hitting Biggie and
Speaker 1: but he does is and Big he knows that. He
Speaker 1: apologizes afterward that Biggie is treating him like trash because
Speaker 1: now we're going to retrofit a story where well Kevin Owens,
Speaker 1: you know, none of his partners like him, he turns
Speaker 1: on everybody's a miserable guy. And yeah, that that was
Speaker 1: kind of the case. But how they set this whole
Speaker 1: thing up, Like at no point do I feel like
Speaker 1: Kevin Owens did something wrong here? You know, yes he
Speaker 1: saw and this was an issue again, talked about it
Speaker 1: last week. The referee should have been blocking his view,
Speaker 1: but that didn't happen. So they go and they do this.
Speaker 1: It's just it was a cheap way to get to
Speaker 1: Kevin Owens getting heat and turning on Big Ee like
Speaker 1: they need more heels and like they need less heroes.
Speaker 1: I just everything about it has sucked and has fallen
Speaker 1: flat for me, and I just think it's it's to me,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a waste. The big ee Kevin Owens,
Speaker 1: you know, them in the ring with each other, ought
Speaker 1: to be great, you know for sure, And maybe this
Speaker 1: is Kevin Owens isl hurrah. I don't know what it is,
Speaker 1: but to me, the whole thing has fallen flat from
Speaker 1: Jump Street last week to how the whole thing played
Speaker 1: out looking so stupid, where everybody looked stupid and now
Speaker 1: all the baby faces look like jerks. Sure, Ray Mysterio
Speaker 1: had to deal with what Adam Pierce was doing, but
Speaker 1: he still blew off Kevin Owens and may again everything.
Speaker 1: To me, I had more sympathy for Kevin Owens in
Speaker 1: a way coming out of this thing, because if you're
Speaker 1: just watching the last two episodes of this show and
Speaker 1: you're seeing this, how is Kevin Owens the bad guy?
Speaker 1: Why is he a terrible person? You know? All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, now we're we're retro doing this. Any good
Speaker 1: faith he has built up, any good faith he had
Speaker 1: on SmackDown, which is a show that people are supposed
Speaker 1: to be watching too, all of that just goes away.
Speaker 1: Why Because Seth Rollins is a master manipulator. He's a
Speaker 1: douche who came out on the show. It said, Kevin,
Speaker 1: nobody likes you, and then the whole show nobody likes him.
Speaker 1: So is Seth Rollins the baby face here for telling
Speaker 1: the truth. It's just the whole thing sucks. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: It's just it's weak and it and it sucks. And
Speaker 1: I know something, Well, what about this on a W?
Speaker 1: I don't care about what's on a W that also
Speaker 1: sucks or a new Japan that also sucks. This is
Speaker 1: not a very effective story to me at all, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't have me hooked. And it's supposed to be
Speaker 1: their main event story and it's fallen absolutely flat. And oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, isn't bigg He's supposed to be facing
Speaker 1: Roman Rain soon. Bro. This person here says, why would
Speaker 1: Adam Pierce care about whether Raw wins or not when
Speaker 1: he's a GM of both shows? All of these questions,
Speaker 1: it's all the same thing. Why do we have a
Speaker 1: survivor series? And why do we have a brand split?
Speaker 1: I would be fine with a brand split if like
Speaker 1: all of your storylines made sense, Like if it really
Speaker 1: was the one time of year that the Ron SmackDown
Speaker 1: wrestlers faced each other. But it's not We just did
Speaker 1: a draft. Literally the entire Raw team, we're all on SmackDown.
Speaker 1: They were loyal to SmackDown for a year, They've been
Speaker 1: on Raw for a week, and now they have to
Speaker 1: fight for a with a GM who seems to care
Speaker 1: whether one side or the other wins, even though he's
Speaker 1: a GM of both shows. I mean, it's not hard
Speaker 1: to do this, but it's just it's it's what I'm
Speaker 1: telling you. I'm telling you these people, these fans, they
Speaker 1: are happy. I'm not saying they're dumb, but I'm saying
Speaker 1: they're happy. Not thinking about it the vacuum. You tell
Speaker 1: me what is going on, and I'm gonna go along
Speaker 1: with it. It doesn't it doesn't make sense, Well, who cares?
Speaker 1: I just won't think about it. Then I will. I
Speaker 1: will listen to Adam Pierce caring which side wins, and
Speaker 1: I won't think for two seconds. Why the GM of
Speaker 1: both shows would want one team to win over the
Speaker 1: other team doesn't make any sense. But you just watch it.
Speaker 1: You watch your stars, you look at their pretty bodies,
Speaker 1: you watch their moves, and then you're ready for the
Speaker 1: next show. Back in a moment was you were alive.
Speaker 1: You know, I can talk about this for hours. We
Speaker 1: only have two minutes. This person here in the chat goes,
Speaker 1: it's a show for children. And the funny thing is
Speaker 1: w w E. I know people watch w w and
Speaker 1: they think this shows for children. But the fact of
Speaker 1: the matter is children don't watch this show. And you know,
Speaker 1: I watched Haven for quite some time. I watch what
Speaker 1: children watch because I have a five year old and
Speaker 1: all of these shows that have like you know, the
Speaker 1: p J Masks or Frozen or any of these other
Speaker 1: things that she watches. It's like, you know, there are
Speaker 1: heroes you can get behind and their villains and their
Speaker 1: their stories that actually are simple and makes sense, and like,
Speaker 1: none of these things apply to w w E. This
Speaker 1: is not a show for children. I don't know what
Speaker 1: this show is for. But you can look at the
Speaker 1: demos and children don't watch the show. This show that
Speaker 1: you think is written for children and young people only
Speaker 1: attracts old people. So what it is actually is a
Speaker 1: show four old people. Why the old people watch it?
Speaker 1: I don't have any idea, but the idea that like
Speaker 1: little kids are watching this, they don't watch this. They
Speaker 1: watched it in the nineties, but they don't watch it today.
Speaker 1: And well, I know how to get the young kids.
Speaker 1: Look at these young girls. Oh that that's not going
Speaker 1: to fire up the over crowd, is it. My daughter
Speaker 1: has this book about red foxes. She's five, by the way,
Speaker 1: Red Fox and we read this book every night, and
Speaker 1: it has these facts about foxes. And one of the
Speaker 1: facts is a a red fox has a white tip
Speaker 1: at the end of its tail, black tips on its ears,
Speaker 1: and black legs. But it says this, and next to
Speaker 1: it is a picture of a red fox with red legs.
Speaker 1: And Paisley cannot get past this. She's like, why does
Speaker 1: that fox have red legs? Of the book says that
Speaker 1: they all have black leggs. So like people to think
Speaker 1: that kids don't think, or that it doesn't matter if
Speaker 1: the stories makes sense or anything like that. Bro it
Speaker 1: matters as much or more to little kids. Clearly, if
Speaker 1: you watch the numbers for this show and who this
Speaker 1: show attracts, we're out of time. Thanks Mike has always
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