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Speaker 1: and now your host, Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 2: Today is January twenty third, twenty twenty five, and we
Speaker 2: are ninety one days away from the NFL Draft in
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Speaker 2: It's Miller time and it's time to talk draft. Might
Speaker 2: be time to hire a new head coach. We'll know
Speaker 2: very surely here.
Speaker 3: Over the next couple of days.
Speaker 2: I think we're starting to get a pretty good fixture
Speaker 2: of it all. But we've got Nick, Harris, Voch Lombardi,
Speaker 2: Tommy Yarsh, Brian brought us. I'm Kyle Yeoman's glad you're
Speaker 2: with us. Lots still to be decided in the building.
Speaker 2: It's kind of tough to really dive in until that
Speaker 2: decision has been made, but we'll hit that later on.
Speaker 2: One thing I do want to talk about, Nick, you
Speaker 2: you sent me a quote from the new GM of
Speaker 2: the Tennessee Titans speaking on what it's going to take
Speaker 2: up at the front of the draft. And that's one
Speaker 2: thing we haven't mentioned yet is what could happen in
Speaker 2: front of the Cowboys at twelve. He said, you don't
Speaker 2: want to pass on a generational talent at the.
Speaker 4: Number one pace.
Speaker 3: We are not going to we are not going to
Speaker 3: pass on in terms of the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 2: So that kind of begs the question, who's the generational
Speaker 2: talent that they're not going to pass on and what else.
Speaker 3: Could fall in front of the first eleven picks.
Speaker 4: There's there's a very clear generational talent in this draft.
Speaker 4: And his name rhymes with Bravis Bunner, you know, And
Speaker 4: I think I think that's the I think that's the
Speaker 4: obvious one. You could make the case that there's three, though.
Speaker 4: You can make the case for Abdul Carter, make the case.
Speaker 4: I'm not necessarily saying that. I'm saying you can make
Speaker 4: the case. And I think you can make the case
Speaker 4: for gent. Yeah, those are the guys you can make
Speaker 4: the case for. You're not making the You're not making
Speaker 4: the case for cam Ward. I don't think you're making
Speaker 4: the case for any of these other guys that are
Speaker 4: you know, rumored to go top five. I think I
Speaker 4: think that they eventually follow on one of those three guys.
Speaker 4: But if he's if he's coming out with a statement
Speaker 4: like that, and the odds yesterday in Vegas flip heavily
Speaker 4: into Travis Hunter's favor, I don't know. I think we
Speaker 4: might see Hunter to go to Nashville.
Speaker 5: They need a quarterback though they do more than anything,
Speaker 5: but they've whipp done some quarterbacks recently.
Speaker 4: I mean, maybe Travis Hunter can air that thing out.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, speaking of generation, we'll Salent, we'll see.
Speaker 2: Did you ever hear that type of talk from a
Speaker 2: brand new GM Brian Becket.
Speaker 5: Oh, it's absolutely, you know, it's one of the things
Speaker 5: that when you know, I had the opportunity to run
Speaker 5: the draft in Philadelphia in ninety eight. We were sitting
Speaker 5: there in the eleven hole, and you know, if I
Speaker 5: remember working with the scouts in Philadelphia and thinking that
Speaker 5: way about Randy Moss, you know, and Jeff Lurie made
Speaker 5: the statement that you know, listen, Brian, I'm not comfortable
Speaker 5: taking the player, and I'm thinking, okay, well, sir, just
Speaker 5: know that he is this type of a player. He
Speaker 5: can be an absolute difference maker's I just don't feel
Speaker 5: comfortable taking him. Brian and I'll and I'll wear that one.
Speaker 5: He goes, I'll wear that one if that's where we're
Speaker 5: going to go, and I said, well, yes, sir, you
Speaker 5: own this team, and and we moved on. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I think that every general manager, you know, the older
Speaker 5: I've gotten, the more I want the I want the
Speaker 5: the the best player, I want the healthiest player, and
Speaker 5: I want the most stable player my first round pick.
Speaker 5: And I think if you find a guy that has
Speaker 5: all three of those traits, he's got a chance to
Speaker 5: be that type of player for you. So yeah, I
Speaker 5: can I surely appreciate, Uh what the what the r
Speaker 5: GM there in Tennessee is trying to do? What were
Speaker 5: the three elements there? You said, Yeah, give me, give
Speaker 5: me a guy it's got give me a guy it's
Speaker 5: an outstanding the ability as a player, give me the
Speaker 5: guy that's got the health and give me the guy
Speaker 5: that's the stable guy. Absolutely, you think Travis Hunter fits
Speaker 5: all three of those? I think did Travis Hunter? Absolutely does?
Speaker 5: I think Travis Hunter if you if you really really
Speaker 5: dive into Travis Hunter, you know you could see the
Speaker 5: fact that he plays at such a high level that
Speaker 5: you know, I the only player I kind of remember
Speaker 5: was a Charles Woodson, and I think Charles Woodson to
Speaker 5: me was a generational player. As matter of fact, it
Speaker 5: cost me my job here that with Charles Woodson, that
Speaker 5: I fought for him so hard that Bill Parcells wanted
Speaker 5: nothing to do with me after that point. But Charles
Speaker 5: Woodson went on even later with Green Bay and had
Speaker 5: a tremendous career. But I do believe that. And so, yeah,
Speaker 5: Travis Hunter, you watch how he you know, how he
Speaker 5: plays these games. You watch how he interacts with people.
Speaker 5: You know. I mean there's a lot of people he's
Speaker 5: having to deal with because of what social media is nowadays.
Speaker 5: He's having to know his own personal life is kind
Speaker 5: of getting drug through the mud a little bit. And
Speaker 5: I think he's handling things very very well. Very stable guy,
Speaker 5: you know, outstanding player, and you know the health of
Speaker 5: the guy. He's been banged up a little bit, not
Speaker 5: to the point where it would take you make you
Speaker 5: think about, you know, is he a guy that's always
Speaker 5: going to be hurt. I don't think that's the case
Speaker 5: for Travis Hunter. What do you guys think about outside
Speaker 5: of Hunter? The guys that fit those three different molds.
Speaker 5: In terms of a generational type of player, I.
Speaker 6: Don't really use generational a lot because I would like
Speaker 6: for there to be a whole generation of players, you know,
Speaker 6: prior to you know you being the next dude.
Speaker 7: Right. So, Ashton Jentsy, right, fantastic.
Speaker 6: I can't call him generational because two drafts ago would
Speaker 6: have another fantastic running back like this.
Speaker 5: Is John a couple weeks or a couple of years ago.
Speaker 6: Sure, So I think what you got to ask yourself
Speaker 6: with this? First of all, the GM on where he's
Speaker 6: probably lying, right, it's January. You know you're not gonna
Speaker 6: show your hand in early January, late January, February, right,
Speaker 6: But let's just ask, just heal a little game, play
Speaker 6: a little game. Do you take with hindsight Jayden Daniels,
Speaker 6: we know who Jayden Daniels is, franchise quarterback?
Speaker 7: Or do you take generational Travis Hunter.
Speaker 4: If I'm Washington, or is assist in general if.
Speaker 6: You Tennessee, and we have this time machine where we
Speaker 6: know who Jayden and Daniels is, he's in this draft,
Speaker 6: he's versus let's assume they don't like cam Ward that's
Speaker 6: why he said, oh okay, yeah, right, So let's take
Speaker 6: a generational player versus a quarterback that you feel like
Speaker 6: it's gonna hit and take any quarterback.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm taking Daniels. Yeah, so it it.
Speaker 6: I mean, you don't want to be Pittsburgh saying okay, well,
Speaker 6: let's take Kenny Pickett just because he's a quarterback.
Speaker 7: And Kenny Pickett is that a whole nothering And that
Speaker 7: was at.
Speaker 5: The twenty fourth overall pick. Now the first overall pick.
Speaker 6: So that makes it even worse. So if it's me, man,
Speaker 6: if you trust the quarterback, take the quarterback. If you
Speaker 6: don't trust the quarterback, then take the player that you trust.
Speaker 6: I'm trusting Travis over cam or Chador or whatever.
Speaker 3: Do you trust these quarterbacks?
Speaker 8: I trust cam Ward at number one. I think that
Speaker 8: makes the most sense. And I'm with Vatch. I think
Speaker 8: there's a little bit of coach speaks slash GM speak.
Speaker 5: Going on little Lyons.
Speaker 8: I think it's a little hashtag lying season because later
Speaker 8: on in this press conference, he also said that they're
Speaker 8: going to turn over every rock to find their franchise
Speaker 8: changing quarterback. And I think for the Titans tennis camp
Speaker 8: Ward makes the sense. Yeah, how much are they gonna
Speaker 8: pay im?
Speaker 5: What is it? Forty million dollars? All the money, all
Speaker 5: the money?
Speaker 8: Okay, No, I think that, you know, if for them
Speaker 8: in their in their situation, I think quarterback makes the
Speaker 8: most sense.
Speaker 5: And I think that.
Speaker 8: If they if they draft a guy like cam Ward,
Speaker 8: then your GM's going to come back out and be like, oh, well,
Speaker 8: he's a generational talent. Because there's your GM speak, because
Speaker 8: they want to sell it to the fan base. So
Speaker 8: I think they're just trying to sell it to the
Speaker 8: fan base. It's his first day on the job. Try
Speaker 8: and generate as much hype as you can. If he's
Speaker 8: If they're going to draft generational player, it's going to
Speaker 8: be Travis Hunter. But if they're going to draft their
Speaker 8: franchise changing quarterback after they turn every rock, I think
Speaker 8: it's camp board.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: I ran in the cam woard last night. He was
Speaker 2: at the North Texas basketball game. I asked him to
Speaker 2: be on the show. He said, no, he's a media can. Okay,
Speaker 2: he's just hanging out.
Speaker 5: He's hanging out with his former head coach, Eric Morris.
Speaker 4: Yeah, watch the recruit watches just be a situation It's
Speaker 4: like when the Calves have the number one overall pick
Speaker 4: in twenty thirteen and they drafted Anthony Bennett when there
Speaker 4: was they're gonna draft like Nick Scourton first overall. We're
Speaker 4: gonna look back on that quote. Generational.
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, wow, he is generation but but like
Speaker 6: those kind of guys, they don't really save the day really,
Speaker 6: like Miles Garrett, right, generational guy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's not the guy saving Cleveland.
Speaker 6: Right, Like they got to look for quarterback and they
Speaker 6: kind of let Baker going. Baker's doing great things somewhere else.
Speaker 6: But you know, like Mac didn't change the Raiders, Like
Speaker 6: what generational guy recently has changed that team so much?
Speaker 6: Where Hey, this generational dude changed the whole face of
Speaker 6: what we do quarterback or not?
Speaker 4: Are we talking number one overall? Because I think Mahomes,
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 7: That's different. He's a generational quarterback.
Speaker 6: I think that's kind of outside of a non quarterback
Speaker 6: generational player.
Speaker 7: When was the last time.
Speaker 2: One of the guys at the top of the list
Speaker 2: might be across the hallway? Micah look at the way
Speaker 2: that this twenty twenty Cowboys defense was and then what
Speaker 2: it has become, said then he changed the face of
Speaker 2: the identity of the Cowboys franchise as the edge rusher,
Speaker 2: and a lot of that was dan Quinn too. Don't
Speaker 2: get me wrong, they've they changed the identity, but I
Speaker 2: don't think you do that.
Speaker 5: Without Micah in the fold. But I get your point.
Speaker 5: And that's just one example along the way. Maybe Jamar
Speaker 5: Chase and what he did. But he's got a generational
Speaker 5: quarterback up there. He's got a great quarterback and John
Speaker 5: say that guy, let me, let me say this, and
Speaker 5: this is going to be way off that probably like
Speaker 5: at a left field, that kid at the Raiders, that
Speaker 5: tight end has got power, rock powers. I mean, if
Speaker 5: they get things kind of fixed up where they get
Speaker 5: the offensive line and you get a quarterback, and that
Speaker 5: kid has a chance to be a player that for
Speaker 5: you know, he could be as great as the Tony
Speaker 5: Gonzalezes and the guys, all those great tight ends that
Speaker 5: we've seen throughout history, you know, I mean the way
Speaker 5: that he makes plays, the way I mean, if he
Speaker 5: stays healthy, I mean he is going to break a
Speaker 5: lot of tight end records. I mean, we saw a
Speaker 5: great one here for a number of years. But Chasing
Speaker 5: Witten this kid's got a chance to be even better
Speaker 5: than that. And when you look at numbers and touchdowns
Speaker 5: and all those things, I think he could be a
Speaker 5: generational player for the for the Raiders. What happens after Tennessee,
Speaker 5: then if we're talking about generational, we're talking about the
Speaker 5: possibility there of a quarterback.
Speaker 3: Or Travis Hunter.
Speaker 5: I think we can maybe say that's fair outside of
Speaker 5: nick scenario A moment ago, what happens.
Speaker 2: With Cleveland, New York, New England, Jacksonville to round out
Speaker 2: that top five? Where do you feel like they could lean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a need kind of across the board from
Speaker 4: two to eleven. I think there's two positions that really
Speaker 4: stick out as edge and receiver. And I see the
Speaker 4: Browns going after Abdual quarter I think that makes the
Speaker 4: most sense. Unless they really like one of these two
Speaker 4: quarterbacks and they fall to them Giants, they're gonna be
Speaker 4: looking for a quarterback. Patriots, they are gonna be looking
Speaker 4: for an edge. Jaguars, you could be making the case
Speaker 4: that they could be looking for secondary. I mean, there's
Speaker 4: gonna be some different positions that go before the Cowboys
Speaker 4: pick as well. But I see receiver and edge as
Speaker 4: most likely.
Speaker 3: Okay, what do you think?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd agree with that.
Speaker 8: I think Giants and Vegas you're looking at you're looking
Speaker 8: at quarterback and then receiver and edge gonna be something
Speaker 8: offensive line too. I could definitely see be in a
Speaker 8: position that goes at run. You know those those top
Speaker 8: end tackles, like a Will Campbell from LSU or Kelvin
Speaker 8: Banks from Texas. It wouldn't surprised me at all if
Speaker 8: they don't get out of the top ten. I mean,
Speaker 8: you look at teams like Chicago that could use one, Jacksonville,
Speaker 8: maybe even Vegas if they if they really like a
Speaker 8: guy and don't want to go to the quarterback route,
Speaker 8: you can take one there.
Speaker 5: You have any positions up top votch that have to
Speaker 5: go before.
Speaker 6: Twelve, honestly, no, man, Just personally, I think they're just
Speaker 6: gonna take the best dude, like whoever they think the
Speaker 6: best do. I don't think there's a the best wide
Speaker 6: receiver has to go here because they need wide receiver.
Speaker 6: I think all these teams kind of suck equally or whatever,
Speaker 6: you know, so they're just gonna go, Okay, we can
Speaker 6: use a lot of things, right, so we'll just take
Speaker 6: Carter right here, we could use a lot. So let's
Speaker 6: just take Mason Graham right here and just take the
Speaker 6: best guy. Because I got to BPA early. If you're
Speaker 6: in that two to five range, you can't go. I
Speaker 6: need a receiver.
Speaker 5: There you go.
Speaker 6: But Mason Graham is much better than this receiver. So
Speaker 6: I'm gonna take the receiver. I think maybe when you
Speaker 6: get down to like eight or nine, that's when those
Speaker 6: guys start to go in for knee more. But I
Speaker 6: think when once you get past Graham and Carter and
Speaker 6: those guys, and you know, t Mac and all that,
Speaker 6: then it'll kind of open up the board just a
Speaker 6: little bit. But you're not taking Kelvin Banks over over
Speaker 6: Carter or over Yeah.
Speaker 5: To me, there's a lot of questions about this offensive
Speaker 5: tackle group. Yeah, and then I think that's going to
Speaker 5: scare some people. I mean especially, and I keep saying this.
Speaker 5: I think, though, when you get to the top of
Speaker 5: that board, you want to take the best player, and
Speaker 5: you want to take the healthiest one, the most stable one.
Speaker 5: That's the three things that I gave you right there.
Speaker 5: You want to do everything in your power to eliminate
Speaker 5: any potential mistakes that you're gonna make and that when
Speaker 5: you're in the top five, there's no reason to gamble
Speaker 5: on guys. You take the guy that looks like to
Speaker 5: be and there's no reason not to take the hunters
Speaker 5: and the carters and the gent's and to my point,
Speaker 5: even McMillan, you know from Arizona, there's guys like that.
Speaker 5: I tell you what, if Simmons with the tackle from
Speaker 5: from Ohio State was healthy, he would be in the
Speaker 5: mix for me too. But there's a lot of corners.
Speaker 5: I just think you take the guy that can absolutely
Speaker 5: cover all and check all those boxes we talk about
Speaker 5: all the time, and then now worry about things at
Speaker 5: the top of the second round, the top of the
Speaker 5: third round, and then work your draft from there.
Speaker 2: So does that approach where I know in the past
Speaker 2: we've wanted.
Speaker 5: Quarterbacks to go early. Every quarterback possible.
Speaker 2: Go in the top ten picks, the top eleven picks,
Speaker 2: or whatever it is leading into the Cowboys. Does that
Speaker 2: BPA mindset of we don't want to risk it in
Speaker 2: the top ten top eleven.
Speaker 5: Picks help or hurt the Cowboys? I think if anything,
Speaker 5: it probably hurts them. Yeah, it definitely hurts because what
Speaker 5: you're going to have to do is now you're trying
Speaker 5: to kind of figure out, you know, the other teams
Speaker 5: if they're taking their best players off their board, that's
Speaker 5: going to hurt you for where you're going to as well,
Speaker 5: because you're all looking at the same players. But you
Speaker 5: know you're going to be you're going to be on
Speaker 5: the very edge of your window potentially of a first
Speaker 5: round grade on your board. Not to say that taking
Speaker 5: it players sixteen on your border seventeen is a bad thing,
Speaker 5: but you would like ultimately to try and navigate this
Speaker 5: thing where you take somebody out of your first round stack.
Speaker 3: Have you done a mock draft yet?
Speaker 5: Nick?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 5: No, no, no, not this early on.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 4: I try to stay away until after combine.
Speaker 2: Okay, has anybody done one yet? Looking at just where
Speaker 2: it's gonna end up? I don't vatch you do a
Speaker 2: couple on the YouTube.
Speaker 7: I do that. Mock drafts are goofy. I hate them.
Speaker 6: And if you know everybody's not gonna they just oh,
Speaker 6: they'll never take a dual carter second over, you'll know
Speaker 6: what you're talking about. Like, people hate mock drafts, but
Speaker 6: they love to look at them, but they hate you
Speaker 6: for picking.
Speaker 7: Nobody knows what.
Speaker 3: How many are in your mentions right now.
Speaker 6: I don't even count them because they're not gonna upset
Speaker 6: my soul. But we do look at other people do
Speaker 6: mocks and sure, sure, and that's why we kind of
Speaker 6: have a feeling that, Okay, well Carter may be the first,
Speaker 6: you know, nun Travis Hunter got to go, oh well,
Speaker 6: Mason Graham is always righting at Jacksonville Range. You know
Speaker 6: Campbell from LSU, he's he's always a bear, and this
Speaker 6: ind three jet or always one of those guys, right, Yeah,
Speaker 6: So I think the mock drafts are what they are
Speaker 6: right now. I think Senior Bowling combine is going to happen.
Speaker 6: I think it's going to shake it up one more time.
Speaker 6: But I think the top twelve or so guys I
Speaker 6: want to say, is locked in. But I think people
Speaker 6: are going to poke some more holes in some of these.
Speaker 7: Edges up there.
Speaker 6: You know, yeah, Mike, I've been seeing him a lot
Speaker 6: in these top tensers, so I think they're going to
Speaker 6: keep poke some holes in him. He may end up
Speaker 6: out of their top twelve so conversation, But for the
Speaker 6: most part, I think the top five or seven is
Speaker 6: going to be the same.
Speaker 3: What do you feel like the safest bet is for
Speaker 3: Dallas to have their available at twelve.
Speaker 5: It's a good question. I feel like GENTI will be there.
Speaker 5: You think so, I think so?
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 5: Any reason, yeah, any reason the Bears would take him
Speaker 5: with the new head coach that they have, the fact
Speaker 5: that they the way that they draft or the way
Speaker 5: they signed running backs, the way they use running backs,
Speaker 5: they got a block for they Well, I'll tell you
Speaker 5: one thing though, if you've ever watched Barry Sanders play
Speaker 5: football or Walter Payton, they need they you know what
Speaker 5: they blocking. Like I say to me, when you take
Speaker 5: a guy like Ashton Genty, say here and Dallas's offensive
Speaker 5: line I think has got some promise. It's not anywhere
Speaker 5: where it needs to be like what you have in
Speaker 5: Philadelphia's some of these other teams that run the ball
Speaker 5: really really well. I think the back, a back that
Speaker 5: can make people miss, I think is really really important
Speaker 5: because Ashton Genty will allow you to be able to
Speaker 5: run the ball as you're developing your offensive line. And
Speaker 5: so that's why when people say you can't take it
Speaker 5: back in the first round, Well, if you have if
Speaker 5: you have an offensive line that isn't great. A great
Speaker 5: back will make a bad offensive line or a poor
Speaker 5: offensive line better. What do you think now, I'm with you.
Speaker 8: I think I completely agree, and that's why I think
Speaker 8: he you know, he could be there for Dallas. I
Speaker 8: just think the Bears. They just signed DeAndre Swift last office,
Speaker 8: sure drafted Roston Johnson a couple of years ago. I
Speaker 8: think they like what he's done for them so far,
Speaker 8: use them a little bit more towards the end of
Speaker 8: the season. Caleb Williams got sacked eight times last year.
Speaker 8: No question, they really need help on the offensive line.
Speaker 8: So I think that's kind of the direction that they
Speaker 8: would lean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I you know, I yeah, I understand to
Speaker 5: think about the line and all that stuff. But you
Speaker 5: got to also remember, though, that is a absolute new
Speaker 5: coaching staff there, and they didn't and they didn't draft
Speaker 5: any of those guys, right, so they inherited these players.
Speaker 5: That's what they've done.
Speaker 7: Bryan's point.
Speaker 6: If y'all just go watch GENC versus Organ, Right, like
Speaker 6: their first Organ, Derek Harmon beat the hell out of
Speaker 6: everybody on their boys stayed offensive line, and Gens still
Speaker 6: found a way to find what like one hundred and
Speaker 6: ninety some yards.
Speaker 7: Some of the goofy ridiculous.
Speaker 6: So even if your line is not perfect, just don't
Speaker 6: have five bad offensive line, just have just have one
Speaker 6: O five and gensy heavy with the risk.
Speaker 2: I like how the NFL script is starting to play
Speaker 2: its factor here, he said. Walter Payton and Barry Sanders.
Speaker 2: Walter Payton was pretty good in Chicago. Barry Sanders played
Speaker 2: in Detroit. Chicago just got their new head coach from Detroit.
Speaker 2: So it's all coming together, all connected in the NF You.
Speaker 4: Just manifested gents to the Packers.
Speaker 5: To me, this is yeah, this is where like say,
Speaker 5: when you start to talk about you know, Dallas, clearly
Speaker 5: I I and I don't know about you guys. We
Speaker 5: get down to it at twelve. If genty is, I
Speaker 5: guarantee you you're going to ask everybody in the room
Speaker 5: who's the best player on the board, and every one
Speaker 5: of us is going to say genty and less in fact,
Speaker 5: in fact it Hunter doesn't get picked or something like that.
Speaker 5: But yeah, we're going there's going to be some guys
Speaker 5: that are going to get picked off that board behind genty.
Speaker 5: And then when you ask us, it's going to be
Speaker 5: genty and when they don't pick him, then we'll just
Speaker 5: all move on. And they said, well, they probably needed
Speaker 5: a Buka or somebody else that they felt like that,
Speaker 5: maybe Banks. And there's nothing wrong with those picks. There's
Speaker 5: nothing wrong. But you're gonna ask us. Oh, absolutely, And
Speaker 5: the way I believe that we're going to stack our
Speaker 5: boards is that gent is going to be one of
Speaker 5: the top guys.
Speaker 4: Hey man, we have ninety three days to find an
Speaker 4: Abdual Carter gas mask video.
Speaker 7: Yes, a long time.
Speaker 5: You all's going to the combine.
Speaker 3: We need to work on this now, make this happen.
Speaker 5: We'll put it all together.
Speaker 3: All right, let's take our first break. When we come back,
Speaker 3: it's time for some twitter on the twenty.
Speaker 2: One of the questions involves moving Cooper Bbe back to guard.
Speaker 2: Is that a possibility and what could that open up
Speaker 2: from the NFL Draft.
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Speaker 2: Twitter Twitter on the twenty first question, this is the
Speaker 2: one it is going into the break. It's a first
Speaker 2: time question from Caden in Frisco. Cayden asked, what about
Speaker 2: the opportunity to flip Cooper bebe back to guard where
Speaker 2: he was of course traditionally playing at Kansas State. And
Speaker 2: if that's the case, are there any centers that would
Speaker 2: allow you to do so in this year's NFL draft?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a specific Caden in Frisco that asked
Speaker 4: me this exact same question yesterday. I this is this
Speaker 4: is fascinating. The center class is not as fun as
Speaker 4: it was last year. That's that's that's first point. No
Speaker 4: Zach fer no, No, there's no Zach Fraser's, no Graham Barton,
Speaker 4: no even you know, BB's where you could like see
Speaker 4: the possibility of a slide in. I think though, there's
Speaker 4: a lot of experience, and I wonder how the experience
Speaker 4: will translate whenever these guys get brought in for thirty visits,
Speaker 4: whenever they get met for formal interviews at combine and
Speaker 4: how those guys might poke up some boards. You look
Speaker 4: at Seth McLaughlin out of Ohio State, that's a guy
Speaker 4: with a ton of experience. Jake Major's at Texas, a
Speaker 4: ton of experience. Goughlin's heart right yeah, Parker braills Ford
Speaker 4: at out of Alabama, a lot of experience, Jake Slaughter
Speaker 4: out of Florida, a lot of You get the point.
Speaker 4: I think I wonder how this experience will translate whenever
Speaker 4: that time comes around. But as I see it right now,
Speaker 4: I keep BB where he's at. I mean, he played,
Speaker 4: he played there his whole rookie season. He played damn well.
Speaker 4: I think it's harder to find a center in this
Speaker 4: league than it is to find a guard and go ahead,
Speaker 4: and you know, lock down BB for what you have
Speaker 4: and find your guard. At the same point, we'll see it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Speaker 8: So I think he played well enough at center to
Speaker 8: keep him there. And if it becomes a problem, I
Speaker 8: mean that that that may be the point where you
Speaker 8: consider it. But I agree this center class, I mean
Speaker 8: I kind of I like Slaughter from Florida. I think
Speaker 8: he played really well this year finished as an All
Speaker 8: American on the first team, a great run blocker, eight
Speaker 8: hundred snaps this year, and he's played in at least
Speaker 8: twelve games in each of his last three seasons at Florida,
Speaker 8: So there's experience there. I know, Nick and I were
Speaker 8: talking about Jake Majors from Texas yesterday as a guy
Speaker 8: with a bunch of experience. So there's options there, but
Speaker 8: I don't I don't think any of those options are
Speaker 8: better than Cooper BB.
Speaker 5: But true, did you talk to you and I did
Speaker 5: a show, did you have somebody that you would move
Speaker 5: from tackle to center that you was it.
Speaker 7: Bo Marcus bo bo bo?
Speaker 5: Is it bo vouw?
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's a tackle for me, but people will have
Speaker 6: him at guard. But I don't like small guards. He's
Speaker 6: like three. Yeah, I don't like small, but I do
Speaker 6: think that he'll be a great center because he's very athletic,
Speaker 6: he can move around all this kind of stuff. But
Speaker 6: I still like the heavy, powerful center. That's my personal preference.
Speaker 6: So what I was saying last year, you know, just
Speaker 6: on YouTube talking, I want my center to be strong again.
Speaker 6: So let's either get a strong center or let's get
Speaker 6: a guard and make him center, and snapping and stepping
Speaker 6: is tough to snapping and stephan. It's a lot of
Speaker 6: butt turning that you gotta do. All this adjustments. When
Speaker 6: you at guards, you're really just flying off and just
Speaker 6: whooping people. It'll hurt me to look at BB and say, man, look,
Speaker 6: you spend three hundred and sixty five days learning how
Speaker 6: to snap and step go back to guard. I wouldn't
Speaker 6: want to do that. What I would want to do
Speaker 6: is keep him there and keep center strong, and take
Speaker 6: Tyler Smith and keep left guard strong, and find you
Speaker 6: a powerful right guard. A summon. Zach's not going to
Speaker 6: be here, and let's just be strong in the middle,
Speaker 6: and let's just move a gap. Let's move b gap.
Speaker 6: I don't want to go back to the days when
Speaker 6: you got to hide center. Beyaddish was cool, but Beyaddish
Speaker 6: was this stalemate guy had guys what they called it, right.
Speaker 6: You just line up hat on hat, run your feet,
Speaker 6: hope for the best, and a running back and just
Speaker 6: pick a hole. That's cool, But I want bodies to
Speaker 6: hit the floor. So I'm fine with BB coming back,
Speaker 6: probably stronger, probably Nick a little thicker because of the offseason.
Speaker 6: Peanut Butter that they give them around here to just
Speaker 6: makee people big for no reason. Let's get another strong
Speaker 6: guard up in here. Let's go boogie Tate ratleys from George.
Speaker 6: Let's go get him.
Speaker 7: Bring him in.
Speaker 4: How y'allom Tyler Booker. I mean he was left guard
Speaker 4: mainly at Alabama.
Speaker 7: He's a killer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, stud, that's a perfect example.
Speaker 7: Put him right there, and let's be stronger.
Speaker 6: If you have two powerful guards and a powerful center,
Speaker 6: you can live with question marks at tackle like we have.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, you can live with all right,
Speaker 6: Luke school Maker, just chip out there and everything inside
Speaker 6: is going to be just fine.
Speaker 7: Let's run the ball up the middle.
Speaker 5: That would give Tyler Guyton enough opportunity to grow into
Speaker 5: his own. Whether it be a left tackle or right tackle.
Speaker 3: Either one of those would be an option. If you've
Speaker 3: got a strike.
Speaker 5: I just believe if you correct the penalties with Geyton,
Speaker 5: I think you'll have a better player. Yeah. I think
Speaker 5: that's where people are they're focusing on. Would you move
Speaker 5: him back to right tackle? Well, you've played him over there. Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: he got injured this season and it caused him miss
Speaker 5: some training camp and some games and all that but
Speaker 5: if you watch him play, it's the penalties that were
Speaker 5: the problem. It wasn't the overall play, it was just
Speaker 5: the penalties.
Speaker 3: It's a good place to start overall.
Speaker 2: Nate asked what positions on this team can you confidently
Speaker 2: in all caps, confidently say you do not need to
Speaker 2: draft another player? Is there a single position on this
Speaker 2: roster where you feel like you are good.
Speaker 4: Maybe after free agency we'll have a better clear answer of.
Speaker 6: That as we stand right now, left guard in particular,
Speaker 6: you know, tight end.
Speaker 7: I think you could draft a.
Speaker 2: Tight I still have confidence in Ferguson and Schoonmaker moving forward,
Speaker 2: and I like some of the undrafted guys like Brevins,
Speaker 2: van Ford and John Stevens. I know he hasn't played
Speaker 2: a whole lot, but I think I'm confident at tight end.
Speaker 3: But I know people out there that aren't.
Speaker 5: They don't have enough picks to that don't have enough
Speaker 5: pick to even get filled there. This is to me,
Speaker 5: and and this is just my thought. You're about to
Speaker 5: have a second round of potentially losing a bunch of guys,
Speaker 5: and you're when you're talking about Golston, you're talking about
Speaker 5: Jordan Lewis, you're talking in free agency. Free agency, we're
Speaker 5: about to have the second purge, and and you don't
Speaker 5: really want to go that way. They don't have enough
Speaker 5: picks and maybe not enough cap space to potentially fill
Speaker 5: all the holes that they're going to have. I don't
Speaker 5: think there's any position that you could say that you
Speaker 5: can't draft and it would help your team right now.
Speaker 5: I'm sure people would say quarterback, but you know what,
Speaker 5: you don't have a backup quarterback right now, and your
Speaker 5: quarterback has been getting hurt here as of late, so
Speaker 5: you might want to consider that too. Yeah, your backup
Speaker 5: quarterback right now is Will Greer moving forward in the
Speaker 5: reserves contract moving forward?
Speaker 3: Were you gonna say something I forgot?
Speaker 7: Okay?
Speaker 6: So so Jake right? You feel about Jake Ferguson? Can
Speaker 6: is Jake going to be a guy that's going to
Speaker 6: be around for a long time? Or do you think
Speaker 6: the cow Boys are going to turn tight end into
Speaker 6: like a factory type thing where we're just going to
Speaker 6: draft the fifth round of this year. Well, we'll bring
Speaker 6: another undrafted guy and just keep rotating the guys.
Speaker 2: I'll throw in a conversation I had with one of
Speaker 2: the front office members earlier this season.
Speaker 3: And he said when they were going through.
Speaker 5: The players across the board to keep long term in Dallas,
Speaker 5: they sat down before right after the Dak Prescott deal
Speaker 5: was done, and as they were talking and going through it,
Speaker 5: they went with Dak and he said, which guys do
Speaker 5: you want? The first guy Dak pointed to was Jake Ferguson.
Speaker 5: He'll be around for a long time. He's going to
Speaker 5: be around for a minute. So they're going to invest
Speaker 5: in Ferguson and they're going to invest in getting him
Speaker 5: right moving forward.
Speaker 6: For sure, your tight end one Harold Fannon from Boston College.
Speaker 4: Tight an two. But he's in that conversation.
Speaker 7: A tight end you love.
Speaker 2: We just yeah, who's your tight end one.
Speaker 6: Let's just assume that the league has made all kind
Speaker 6: of mistakes and he's at the top of the board
Speaker 6: in the third round.
Speaker 7: For you and Jake, Sure guy, Yes, Okay, I just
Speaker 7: want to see where we're at with this.
Speaker 2: See but that I think is more of an indictment
Speaker 2: on Luke's Schoomaker more than anything. But Schoomaker right now
Speaker 2: is a bust of a second round pick. He hasn't
Speaker 2: lived up to that expectation. I don't think that's necessarily
Speaker 2: an indictment on Ferguson and what he could bring.
Speaker 6: I think tight end, you're gonna live and die by
Speaker 6: four at this point Dak right, Sure, So if Dak's
Speaker 6: not there, we may not have great tight end play.
Speaker 6: If Dak is playing, let's go all right, Luke, are
Speaker 6: you good with Dak?
Speaker 15: No?
Speaker 7: Not really?
Speaker 6: All these other guys, you know, it's mostly ferg Right,
Speaker 6: So you just got to ask, is ferg like gonna
Speaker 6: be a long term guy attached to Dak?
Speaker 7: Is that gonna be here past three years?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 7: We just got to have a questions like that.
Speaker 6: And so I just think when we're looking at tight ends,
Speaker 6: do we stop because we don't got so many picks?
Speaker 6: Do we not look at tight end if we feel
Speaker 6: confident about Jake Ferguson. I don't think Ferguson's done enough
Speaker 6: to be like a new coach proof guy or like
Speaker 6: a new quarterback proof guy. If Dak retires today, are
Speaker 6: we sure Jake is gonna be here?
Speaker 4: There was a point in the season last year, it
Speaker 4: was probably like eight or nine weeks in. I think
Speaker 4: it was right around the Atlanta game when a coach
Speaker 4: on this team said, off the record that Hunter Lippy
Speaker 4: is the second best tight end on this team. And
Speaker 4: if they feel like that midway through a season, it
Speaker 4: doesn't matter how scoon Maker finishes a year or how
Speaker 4: John Stevens Junior bounces back from another a cl injury.
Speaker 4: They got to go get a guy. Yeah, I'm firmly
Speaker 4: in the in the belief that they're going to go
Speaker 4: get a tight end this year.
Speaker 3: Where would you put Hunter Lipke in that that list?
Speaker 3: One tight end?
Speaker 5: I figured love some Hunter Lipkey. All right, this is
Speaker 5: from Calvin. This will be interesting.
Speaker 3: You guys are gonna have to to listen here.
Speaker 5: He's this is a pick your fighter in the first
Speaker 5: three rounds. Going back here, all right.
Speaker 3: First option Kelvin Banks, Caleb Johnson, and Jayden Higgins.
Speaker 4: It's his first round, first.
Speaker 2: Three rounds for the Cowboys. These are different scenarios along
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 7: Let me go find this, he said.
Speaker 5: Calvin Banks, Texas Johnson, Caleb Johnson helped me out on
Speaker 5: school here, Iowa Jayden Higgins. I so you're going straight
Speaker 5: big twelve and former Big twelve there. Oh, I guess
Speaker 5: I was Big ten. Never mind forget I said that.
Speaker 5: But Banks, Johnson Higgins are the three first round picks.
Speaker 5: There are three first three round picks there. Next one
Speaker 5: is Luther Burden from Missouri, Diannie Walker.
Speaker 3: Is that how you say it?
Speaker 5: Ni? Diannie Walker, de Walker Kentucky, Ollie Gordon running back
Speaker 5: from Oklahoma State. That's your second option.
Speaker 4: We need to have a fascinating conversation about Ali Gordon
Speaker 4: at some point.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I completely agree, and then Ashton Genty starts off
Speaker 5: the last option, of course, running back from Boise State,
Speaker 5: Xavier Rostrepo wide receiver.
Speaker 2: From Miami, and then TJ. Sanders at the end of
Speaker 2: that one. You want me to repeat it all again?
Speaker 2: Kelvin Banks, Johnson, excuse me, Kelvin Banks, Caleb Johnson, Jaden Higgins.
Speaker 3: That's your first option. Luther Burden, Dion Walker, Ollie Gordon
Speaker 3: is your second option, Ashton Gent Xavier Rostreppo, TJ. Sanders
Speaker 3: is your third option. Where are you going?
Speaker 5: Do? I?
Speaker 12: Is?
Speaker 4: Option three? Is option three?
Speaker 5: The post one? To me? On my board? Option three
Speaker 5: would be a one, A three, and a three. Okay,
Speaker 5: that's what would be on my board. What would your
Speaker 5: other ones be? Banks, Johnson and Higgins. Banks would be
Speaker 5: a one, Johnson would be a two. Higgins would be
Speaker 5: a three. So that's in order to the rounds. So
Speaker 5: that's that's fair assessment. Uh, Burden, Walker and Gordon. Burden
Speaker 5: would be a one. Walker would be a two. Gordon
Speaker 5: I have not looked at yet.
Speaker 2: Okay, and that's that's fair. He's kind of down the
Speaker 2: list I think right now. Burden as a one.
Speaker 5: Kind of intriguing is how many first round grades do
Speaker 5: you have at wide receiver? Three? Three of them mc millan, Burden,
Speaker 5: and Abuca.
Speaker 6: Okay, if you trade out Gordon for best running back available,
Speaker 6: because I think Gordon's going to be like a date
Speaker 6: three guy. So if my Gordon, what happened to him?
Speaker 6: Trayvon Henderson or something like that, then I'm I'm taking.
Speaker 2: We've got time to have that conversation now, if you
Speaker 2: want to have that line.
Speaker 4: Okay, last year I think paired with a lot of
Speaker 4: issues in Stillwater. I mean, you start the year Alli
Speaker 4: Gordon coach, You start the year with him having the
Speaker 4: DUI like two weeks before the season started, right. If
Speaker 4: you go into yeah, and then you go into the
Speaker 4: year with a bad offensive line, an offensive line that
Speaker 4: gets hurt. Now granted he's six foot, he's a huge kid,
Speaker 4: six foot two, two hundred and twenty five pounds. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like he should be able to make guys miss wasn't
Speaker 4: necessarily making guys miss. I think it's like missibility was
Speaker 4: a lot more in focus this year, whereas last year
Speaker 4: he had an offensive line, he had guys in front
Speaker 4: of him, he had a competent quarterback with him, he
Speaker 4: had competent weapons around him, and it's why he was
Speaker 4: a dok Walker winner in twenty three. I think he
Speaker 4: suffered behind an offensive line, and it begs the question,
Speaker 4: if he goes to a school or if he goes
Speaker 4: to a program that does not have a successful offensive line,
Speaker 4: can he succeed. And I don't know if that's the case.
Speaker 4: And that shouldn't be the case for a guy that's
Speaker 4: six foot two hundred and twenty five pounds. He should
Speaker 4: be a guy that's like, hey, we can draft this guy.
Speaker 4: Our offensive line might not be the best, but he's
Speaker 4: a big tank bowling ball. He'll fight forward for extra yardage.
Speaker 4: I don't think he uses his frame to his best advantage,
Speaker 4: whereas we've seen that from him in years past. I
Speaker 4: think mileage could be thing because he carried the ball
Speaker 4: so often in high school against Trinity. I think high
Speaker 4: school mileage definitely needs to be factored in when you
Speaker 4: talk about Ali Gordon and then you go to Oklahoma State. Granted,
Speaker 4: he didn't really pick up that starting role until about
Speaker 4: week three of twenty twenty three, but once he did,
Speaker 4: they leaned on him a lot in twenty three.
Speaker 3: He had two hundred and eighty five carries in twenty three.
Speaker 4: And that was like in ten games as a star.
Speaker 15: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like those first three games he had like ten
Speaker 4: carries totals, and then last year really carried him through.
Speaker 3: He still put up one hundred and ninety carries last
Speaker 3: year too.
Speaker 4: Look, I'm an Alli Gordon believer. I put a third
Speaker 4: round grade on him. I'm an Alli Gordon believer, but
Speaker 4: I think he needs to have a good offense.
Speaker 5: Okay, where would you in relation to Samson? Tennessee behind Harvey,
Speaker 5: Central Florida behind Yeah, Junkins, Ohio State, Yeah, Neil, Kansas
Speaker 5: uh in front.
Speaker 4: I'm not as big on Neil as everyone else.
Speaker 5: Okay, somebody asked about Neil here, what is the consensus
Speaker 5: on Devin Neil from Kansas?
Speaker 4: That's Michael's Question's that's still one I need to go
Speaker 4: back because I gave him an N season grade and
Speaker 4: I still need to go back and watch like his
Speaker 4: full season. I love the production. He only just one
Speaker 4: game in his entire career. He had three straight seasons
Speaker 4: over one thousand yards. I mean the productions there. Don't
Speaker 4: get me wrong, I don't know. I don't know. I
Speaker 4: get I get a I'm scared of Blake Korum doing
Speaker 4: this again this year. Where I look at the production,
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't care what he looks like. I
Speaker 4: see the production. I'm scared of doing that again. And
Speaker 4: I think Devin Neil starting to factor into that mind process.
Speaker 5: Would Olie Gordon if say he came out in twenty
Speaker 5: four this last previous year, last draft, would he be
Speaker 5: up there with Johnson from Iowa, Hampton from North Carolina? Yeah, Anderson,
Speaker 5: I think he probably would have been RB one last year,
Speaker 5: probably a second round RB one, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, second round RB one last year?
Speaker 5: God, which one is he? Guys? Which one is he?
Speaker 5: Is he the second round dude? Or is he the
Speaker 5: third round dude?
Speaker 15: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you're there.
Speaker 5: No, No, you're scared. It's our little draft room here.
Speaker 5: You're scaring the hell out of me right now with
Speaker 5: off the field stuff. Yeah, you know, because I've seen
Speaker 5: a running back here that you know, likes to do
Speaker 5: things off the field and then you know, and get
Speaker 5: it took a lot of carries, you know.
Speaker 4: I'll say this about Alli Gordon, known the kid since
Speaker 4: he was fifteen. I don't have character concerns with all. Okay, partier, Yeah,
Speaker 4: but what college student Oklahoma's.
Speaker 5: Well no, but I'm saying because I think it affects.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's I don't think it's a major thing. Okay,
Speaker 4: I don't think it's.
Speaker 5: Because See, that's the questions I would ask you if
Speaker 5: we were sitting in a war room right now and
Speaker 5: you start talking with this guy, and I would think,
Speaker 5: why is this guy slowing down? Because you were scaring
Speaker 5: the hell out of me right now with the way
Speaker 5: you're describing him as Hey, last year, Brian, he was this,
Speaker 5: this year he's this. Yeah, you know, and I'm trying
Speaker 5: to figure out was it an offensive line, was it
Speaker 5: a coach that was getting you know, the coach there's
Speaker 5: a little crazy to begin with. Maybe they didn't get along,
Speaker 5: you know, but you're you're scaring the hell out of me.
Speaker 5: About this player right now?
Speaker 2: Kind of playing along with the war room esque type
Speaker 2: of question here, would there ever be a point when
Speaker 2: you are scared in this regard and you're you're not
Speaker 2: liking what you're hearing one way or the Oh, I.
Speaker 5: Trust my scout, you trust I trust my scout. But
Speaker 5: would but I need him to tell me why? Why
Speaker 5: is he? Why was he if he came out last year?
Speaker 5: I see a second round guy, and why did he
Speaker 5: fall off so badly? And are we going to get
Speaker 5: a player that's on the decline? So the pressure scenario
Speaker 5: is on, you got to tell me why. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: would say it's it's because I haven't seen the player. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean and I and I'm going to see the
Speaker 5: player myself. I feel like I've watched a lot of
Speaker 5: these uh the Rutgers and Auburn, they've all got you know,
Speaker 5: everybody's got running backs. But by the way you're talking
Speaker 5: like I'm interested about the player from the previous year,
Speaker 5: this player scares the hell out of me.
Speaker 4: In this class, I wouldn't take him in this class.
Speaker 4: In this class, I would not take it. Okay, with
Speaker 4: the names that are I.
Speaker 5: See that now.
Speaker 4: Now, with the names that I would expect to be
Speaker 4: right there. You could look at Dami Martinez out of Miami,
Speaker 4: who has got the same type of physical trade six foot,
Speaker 4: two hundred and thirty two pounds. I think he's going
Speaker 4: to give the be the guy that gives you a
Speaker 4: little bit more effort and situations that can fight forward.
Speaker 4: TODs Brooks, I think he'll be there in the third round.
Speaker 4: That's another bowling ball type at five ten to two
Speaker 4: thirty Kalamannung guy, not necessarily bowling ball type, but five
Speaker 4: nine two oh nine. That's that's the guy I would
Speaker 4: take in that sation.
Speaker 5: We talked about him last night. That's a good player.
Speaker 7: Brocker guy see.
Speaker 4: Five foot nine, and I think he's the best pass
Speaker 4: protector in this class.
Speaker 6: I think you make a good point, Nick, because just
Speaker 6: how running back is like, it gives you a luxury
Speaker 6: to go, Okay, we'll just pass on Gordon because it's
Speaker 6: so many of them. Do we do the same thing
Speaker 6: with like a pass rusher or something like that, or
Speaker 6: like maybe a wide receiver. So our wide receiver from
Speaker 6: Ohio State, how you say his name?
Speaker 7: BOOKA right? His twenty twenty two film right Fantastic. CJ.
Speaker 7: Stroud throwing the ball all over the ball.
Speaker 6: We are top tier here, right, But if you look
Speaker 6: at his numbers now they kind of down a little bit.
Speaker 6: But you can directly look at that and go, okay,
Speaker 6: it's a big difference between quarterback here here here. But
Speaker 6: if you have like a premium dude, edge, wide receiver,
Speaker 6: offensive line, whatever, and you don't know why they're bad
Speaker 6: or you don't have a great reason, you really you
Speaker 6: can really have faith in that reason. We don't know
Speaker 6: why Gordon ain't as good as he would like, you know, Nick,
Speaker 6: Nick gave a lot of reasons, but it's not as
Speaker 6: clear as oh yeah, my quarterback just wasn't as good
Speaker 6: and it just fell off. So I'm passing on Gordon.
Speaker 6: He's probably a great player, and Gordon to probably go
Speaker 6: to New England or something and he fantastic, gonna be
Speaker 6: probably fantastic. But I'm just not rolled the dice guy.
Speaker 6: With these type of sit woics.
Speaker 2: It's an interesting conversation, really is. I appreciate the insight
Speaker 2: on both sides, because that's.
Speaker 5: What a war room's like. You have a scout that's
Speaker 5: known the guy for.
Speaker 2: A significant amount of time, having a conversation with him,
Speaker 2: with the people around him, and then you get challenged
Speaker 2: by the front office in order to do something.
Speaker 5: He did a great job of hainting the player, the
Speaker 5: picture of the player. The thing about it is like
Speaker 5: I said, that's you know we with with the way
Speaker 5: the board set up. Though he just told me, he goes,
Speaker 5: I wouldn't draft this guy, yep, And but we got
Speaker 5: to give the players due and you got to put
Speaker 5: him on your board. But he just he just he said.
Speaker 5: And then as a room is, if I was the
Speaker 5: director and he said that, then I would say, Okay,
Speaker 5: put him down there at the bottom of the board
Speaker 5: and let's go to the next player.
Speaker 4: If you were to fall though, and we're looking up
Speaker 4: day three, midday three, we finally got our first pick
Speaker 4: in the fifth round, and we don't have a running
Speaker 4: back yet, So I'd bring that conversation back up, okay,
Speaker 4: but but not I think with the names that.
Speaker 2: You're not taking him off your board. You're just pushing
Speaker 2: him further down.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's not really a fourth round guys what he
Speaker 5: sounds like right now.
Speaker 4: Which is difficult because if this we have the full
Speaker 4: context of Ollie Gordon. Sure, we're in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 4: I think you would make the case that you could
Speaker 4: still draft him in the third round. You could put
Speaker 4: him in that conversation with God. I'm trying to think
Speaker 4: of the run that went in the third round last year,
Speaker 4: like Korum, h and Irving. Yeah, I think he went
Speaker 4: the fourth. But yeah, I think you could put him
Speaker 4: in that conversation and you'd feel comfortable, Hey, I think
Speaker 4: you can draft this kid. But with the way this
Speaker 4: class is set up specifically, there's gonna be a lot
Speaker 4: of backs that fall that would be a lot higher
Speaker 4: in other classes, and I think he's going to be
Speaker 4: prime example.
Speaker 5: Number one, you had Blake Korum last year in the third.
Speaker 5: You had Marshawn Lloyd out of USC last year in
Speaker 5: the third.
Speaker 4: He gives me Lloyd vibes. Yeah, okay, he would give
Speaker 4: me Lloyd vibes.
Speaker 3: And that Jalen Wright was in the fourth.
Speaker 5: See, I really liked Lloyd. Now you're really messing me up.
Speaker 2: And then there was that run of like I believe
Speaker 2: Davis Grindo in the fourth he went to Green Bay.
Speaker 5: Didn't he? After Dallas picked and I was like, damn, yeah,
Speaker 5: what are we doing here? You know kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, great, conversation. I love it.
Speaker 2: When we come back, we're gonna talk wide receivers. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna hear some of the names that are at the
Speaker 2: top of this draft that we haven't done a scouting
Speaker 2: report on, because wide receiver is a hot button topic,
Speaker 2: especially if your new head coach is an offensive minded
Speaker 2: head coach.
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Speaker 5: Glad you're with us. I want to talk wide receivers
Speaker 5: with Cowboys sitting at twelve and of course with an
Speaker 5: elite wide receiver on the roster, but not a whole
Speaker 5: lot else out there for the Cowboys this season. Wide
Speaker 5: receiver is a hot button topic at the twelfth overall.
Speaker 2: Pick for Dallas fans out there. We've mentioned a lot
Speaker 2: of names already. We've mentioned TEDAROA McMillan from Arizona. We've
Speaker 2: mentioned Luther Burden from.
Speaker 5: Missouri, Amika Abuka from Ohio State. Lots of possibilities here.
Speaker 2: I want to hit some of the names that maybe
Speaker 2: we haven't had the opportunity to dive in on yet,
Speaker 2: and feel.
Speaker 5: Free to add names. Can I ask you a question
Speaker 5: on this on your on your path? Sure? Can you
Speaker 5: put a caveat on that? Give me somebody you would
Speaker 5: pair with CD? With CD lamb.
Speaker 3: So this is give me in the war room.
Speaker 5: Yeah, give me give me somebody that listened. We're probably
Speaker 5: looking at our second wide receiver here, probably looking at
Speaker 5: an X. You guys got an your mind on sacks
Speaker 5: because I mean, we got a lot of guys that
Speaker 5: could play the X and the playing the slot and
Speaker 5: all that. Hell, Iowa stayed throws Higgins in the slot
Speaker 5: a lot. But can is anybody got an X that
Speaker 5: they're falling in love.
Speaker 3: With I mean at twelve, if he falls.
Speaker 5: Maybe at forty four, give me, give me, give me
Speaker 5: a guy at forty four, later forty four that you
Speaker 5: might you've got it? Do you have any exes that
Speaker 5: we talked about?
Speaker 6: Falling in love is tough because all the players that
Speaker 6: I fall in love with move around all over the formation,
Speaker 6: just like Ceedee Lamb. They're probably best in the slides,
Speaker 6: just like CD Lamb. But we've already mentioned them kind
Speaker 6: of sort of. But save you On Williams TCU, you know,
Speaker 6: big body guy. Yeah, they can say that he has
Speaker 6: some catch issues, but what the hell is coaching for?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 6: Teach that do how to concentrate catch? But I think
Speaker 6: what makes him pair with Lamb is that they're both
Speaker 6: yet guys. So if there's ever a way that all right,
Speaker 6: we're just going to take Lamb out the game, and
Speaker 6: we don't want him doing yack stuff and make him
Speaker 6: hard to tackle. Cool save young big ass over there
Speaker 6: is also hard to tackle, and hey, you can do
Speaker 6: some creative fun things with some type of turping save
Speaker 6: the CD LAMB you know movement type you know type things.
Speaker 6: And just because save On is your ex guy, because
Speaker 6: he's built that way. He's also a dude that can
Speaker 6: line up in the slat or line up in the
Speaker 6: backfield and do weird things like that. Assume that our
Speaker 6: new coach or our new offense coordinator, can you know,
Speaker 6: creatively use a guy like that. But I think if
Speaker 6: you could just full time make him X guy and
Speaker 6: move him sometimes, I think he'll pair with with lamb
Speaker 6: will Did.
Speaker 5: You say Trey Harris? Trey Harris on this Okay, there
Speaker 5: you go talk about that man.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 8: I said he's the best exit in the class behind
Speaker 8: tm Mac.
Speaker 5: I't.
Speaker 8: I haven't watched Williams from TCU yet, but I've heard
Speaker 8: a lot of murmurs about the dropping loves and the
Speaker 8: Quinton Johnston past. Kind of Oh no, deters me a
Speaker 8: little bit, not saying that he's Quentin Johnson at all.
Speaker 3: Don't scout the helmet, Tommy, I.
Speaker 5: Understand, I understand. Don't say rigor either.
Speaker 4: That's another way, Josh Johnson damning in fort Worth.
Speaker 5: You got to turn it around. Felt it's a good
Speaker 5: looking player, though.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I thought he's unbelievable in fifty to fifty ball
Speaker 8: watching some of the games. Sorry, Brian, but la oh No, absolutely,
Speaker 8: Texas A and M absolutely were the two games that
Speaker 8: I watched. Really good frame and athleticism. He can go
Speaker 8: up and fight for any ball. I thought he was
Speaker 8: really well adjusting mid air, strong hands to bring the
Speaker 8: ball in. He's criticized for not having great bursts yah
Speaker 8: the line. I thought he had some pretty solid bursts
Speaker 8: and I thought he moved well with the line of
Speaker 8: scrimmage getting out of his brakes. But I'll still need
Speaker 8: to see some more ropes him doing that. Not the
Speaker 8: greatest top end speed, but he's got some long strides
Speaker 8: and so I think that can develop into breaking away
Speaker 8: a little bit more. I think he gets the job done.
Speaker 8: And then when you watch him as a run blocker
Speaker 8: old this is an offense where lane Kiffin tries to
Speaker 8: get the ball out quickly, whether it be in the
Speaker 8: screen game or just getting it to their playmakers in space.
Speaker 8: I thought he was an aggressive run blocker down the field.
Speaker 8: So there's a lot to.
Speaker 5: Like with Trey Harris, especially with the six foot three frame.
Speaker 5: I thought.
Speaker 2: The note that I have is he has some of
Speaker 2: the best hands in the class. Yeah, he can high
Speaker 2: point the football, He's able to take contact with the
Speaker 2: frame and roll with it as well.
Speaker 5: He's a great deep ball threat, nearly eighteen yards over
Speaker 5: his career, not in one season, eighteen yards per catching
Speaker 5: his career.
Speaker 3: They utilized him quite a bit.
Speaker 2: He could be the next in a long list of
Speaker 2: Louisiana caliber tight ends. I mean, Cede Lamb came from Louisiana,
Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, Brian Thomas Junior, He's right there
Speaker 2: in that same mix.
Speaker 8: He had a thousand yards in eight games.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 5: Where do you guys have to take.
Speaker 4: Forty four?
Speaker 3: What do you think he's there at forty four?
Speaker 4: If he's there, yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's going to be there. I
Speaker 2: don't think I would take him at twelve. No, No,
Speaker 2: he would be a perfect I would do a cartwheel
Speaker 2: if he's there at forty four.
Speaker 5: Is there, guys? You have at forty four better than him.
Speaker 3: At that point?
Speaker 8: Now, Matthew Golden Texas.
Speaker 3: Cold tell me about him?
Speaker 8: Oh my god, I understand that I have Texas bias,
Speaker 8: but this kid's incredibly even dating back to his days
Speaker 8: at Houston Klin Kane High School in the Houston area,
Speaker 8: I thought coming out of high school he's a four
Speaker 8: star prospect. I thought he should have been in the SEC.
Speaker 8: I don't know how Houston got him, but that was fantastic.
Speaker 8: His cuts and just incredible. He just glides all over
Speaker 8: the place. I think he's great out of his breaks,
Speaker 8: you know, great at the line of scrimmage and able
Speaker 8: to beat DB's very quickly. I thought towards the end
Speaker 8: of the year he really showed that he really showed
Speaker 8: his ball skills as well on the outside. I didn't
Speaker 8: think that that would be as showcase, but watching against
Speaker 8: Georgia in the SEC Championship game, there were a couple
Speaker 8: of balls he had down the sideline where he's just
Speaker 8: making incredible adjustment. Spit there to go back and get him.
Speaker 8: Really good hands, one of the better hands in the class,
Speaker 8: finds ways to win even with perfect coverage. I mentioned
Speaker 8: that SEC Championship game against Georgia, and then he can
Speaker 8: add the ability to as a return specialist. I think
Speaker 8: he had two returns for a touchdown in his last
Speaker 8: season at Houston, and he played back there for Texas.
Speaker 8: They didn't kick the ball to him very much. But
Speaker 8: I really like Matthew Golden.
Speaker 6: Let me just say what I love about wide receivers
Speaker 6: like that is, when you watch a lot of yours,
Speaker 6: like in passing, you go, all right, yours is cool.
Speaker 6: But when you watch Golden and you see some of
Speaker 6: the passes that he has to catch, you go.
Speaker 7: Damn, well, why why you was putting the ball all
Speaker 7: over the place?
Speaker 6: But Golden catches everything high, low, way in front of
Speaker 6: behind him. Arizona State in the playoff game took that
Speaker 6: game over and it feels.
Speaker 5: Like, say, tight end. When you watch him, he's making
Speaker 5: all kinds of crazy ass catches.
Speaker 6: It feels like they they took a while to get
Speaker 6: him going, but once he got going, he would just
Speaker 6: tear everything up. I loved I got him as a
Speaker 6: first rounder and I know I'm probably I'm probably minority there.
Speaker 5: Yes, and you've got what twelve first round grades?
Speaker 6: I ain't got a lot. I got twelve, Yes, sir,
Speaker 6: I got twelve. So I got him in the one,
Speaker 6: and I just I just love how it's just small.
Speaker 6: He was very purposeful with his rival run. I thought
Speaker 6: he was slow at first, but oh, you're just changed
Speaker 6: the tempo to set people up. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: I think that's a valuable big boy. Wide receiver tread
Speaker 6: so I got him at the one man.
Speaker 8: I'm with you, Yeah, first round grade on Here's the
Speaker 8: thing I think with Texas this year, I think they.
Speaker 5: Were trying to that you're in the same boat with this.
Speaker 5: I probleise I'm not.
Speaker 8: Talking wins, all right, all right, all right, yeah, there
Speaker 8: you go, thanks Bamber. Isaiah Bond was kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 8: let's try and get him the ball, and this is
Speaker 8: our guy. And then he kind of has a shaky
Speaker 8: start to the year and he goes down with the injury,
Speaker 8: and then you look at Gold and then it's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 8: so he's probably our best receiver out here. Let's try
Speaker 8: and get him the ball. And towards the end of
Speaker 8: the year, like you mentioned, I mean, he just he
Speaker 8: just took over that fourth and thirteen against Arizona State,
Speaker 8: just a nasty route to get open in the back
Speaker 8: of the end zone. And then even against Ohio State,
Speaker 8: he got hurt early in that first half, but he
Speaker 8: comes back and I think his first play he makes
Speaker 8: a diving catch on an out route right around the sidelines.
Speaker 8: So yeah, I have a first round grade on him.
Speaker 5: I think he's fantastic and I interest anybody in Besh
Speaker 5: from TCU.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we brought him up a little bit last week.
Speaker 5: Okay, can I interest anyboy anybody seeing Higgins? We talked
Speaker 5: about him going against.
Speaker 4: He's gonna be one of my guys. I talked about it.
Speaker 4: If you don't mind, go for it. No, go for
Speaker 4: previous school Eastern Kentucky ball down the SCS ended up
Speaker 4: getting getting transferred to Iowa State.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: You talk about fifty to fifty.
Speaker 5: Ball, one of the best in the country.
Speaker 4: You talk about long speed too, those long strides he
Speaker 4: has at six foot five, I mean, this kid is
Speaker 4: six four and fifteen pounds. He's gonna be at seener
Speaker 4: Bol next week. I think this time next week, we're
Speaker 4: gonna have a much different perspective on Jayson Higgins. I
Speaker 4: think as a whole, I think he's gonna blow up
Speaker 4: next week. And I think this is a second round
Speaker 4: talent I do now that you talk about Okay, if
Speaker 4: Trey Harris is not there at forty four, yeah, I
Speaker 4: think this might be a guy that you look at
Speaker 4: at forty four eventually.
Speaker 5: Yeah, is Stanford wide receiver. We talked about him at all, Eric, Eric.
Speaker 4: What's fascinating about him. Is he absolutely destroyed Travis Hunter
Speaker 4: second half of a game in oliterated him. The production
Speaker 4: is good aside from that, But I wonder how much
Speaker 4: we value him if we just take that game out.
Speaker 4: I know we can't take the game out because it's
Speaker 4: very valuable because it's up against you know, generational talent
Speaker 4: we talked about in the first segment. But if you
Speaker 4: take that game out, where do you stack where do
Speaker 4: you stack him up?
Speaker 7: And I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't have an answer for that. It's really tough.
Speaker 4: It's really tough for me. He's also questions about him.
Speaker 4: He's another senior Bowl guy. He's another guy that hasn't
Speaker 4: had the luxury of a quarterback throughout his time at Stanford. Sure,
Speaker 4: so you know how much do you value that too?
Speaker 4: But I like the kid.
Speaker 3: He's a young cat, right, he's coming out as like
Speaker 3: what a Redhords.
Speaker 5: He's a Canadian kid too, by the way, didn't play
Speaker 5: he had to come down here to play high school football.
Speaker 5: But this guy's got the straight line speed and I
Speaker 5: think he can track the ball. And you mentioned about
Speaker 5: the thing if you could watch him play against Travis Hunter,
Speaker 5: that Stanford was dead in the water. And they made
Speaker 5: one of the most miraculous comeback She'll ever imagine it.
Speaker 5: And and our guy he was taking the ball off
Speaker 5: the top of Hunter's head to tie the game. He
Speaker 5: had a one handed catchers. Watching the Syracuse game, he
Speaker 5: had a one handed catch for a touchdown by high
Speaker 5: point in the ball against Syracuse. I mean, he fights
Speaker 5: the defender down the field. I mean when I was
Speaker 5: talking about X receivers, this is a guy I was
Speaker 5: thinking about at six two two ten, you know, I mean,
Speaker 5: route running and all that. He hasn't benefited from a
Speaker 5: quarterback that's been any good. You know, it's but I
Speaker 5: tell you what, man, this guy he's made the most
Speaker 5: of the opportunities he's had with the ball being all
Speaker 5: over the place to him. So I was kind of
Speaker 5: thinking I have him in the second round. He reminded me.
Speaker 5: We all remember, and maybe it's a poor compared Brendan
Speaker 5: Rice when he was at USC. When we watched Brendan Rice,
Speaker 5: and it seemed like Williams was kind of throwing the
Speaker 5: ball and he was having to make catches all over
Speaker 5: the place and stuff like that. This kid reminded me
Speaker 5: a little bit of Brendan Rice. Who's now with the
Speaker 5: with the chargers that way, elick io manor Iron manner.
Speaker 4: I know we're having conversations about x's, but I think
Speaker 4: the overall conversation is.
Speaker 5: Just wide receivers.
Speaker 4: So would you pair with CD lamb Yeah? And if
Speaker 4: you're looking for a robin in this class, yeah, you
Speaker 4: knows a CD's batman. You look at him, Mecha Muka
Speaker 4: and throughout his four seasons at Ohio State has never
Speaker 4: been the leading receiver, never has never been the leading
Speaker 4: reception grabber. He comes in as a robin, and he
Speaker 4: comes in as a robin, right, and the Ohio State
Speaker 4: career receptions leader is now a Meccha Buka. You think
Speaker 4: about all the guys that have gone through there. Yeah,
Speaker 4: granted there's a lot of guys that have only been
Speaker 4: there three years, but you think about all the receivers
Speaker 4: that they've had. He has been a robin throughout his
Speaker 4: career at Ohio State. I think he's a fascinating one.
Speaker 4: And I think if you want two chess pieces, you're
Speaker 4: talking about, Okay, two CD labs, it's not bad to have.
Speaker 4: I guess you that bring brings up that idea. I
Speaker 4: think this would be an idea of that. I think
Speaker 4: this guy can play anywhere.
Speaker 5: Where did you put him second round forty four?
Speaker 4: I have a second round grade on him. But if
Speaker 4: they were to pooka that, yeah, he's a one on
Speaker 4: my book, I take him at twelve. You wouldn't get
Speaker 4: an argument from No. Yeah at twelve, Yeah, he wouldn't
Speaker 4: get an argument.
Speaker 3: Why did you have a first round grade on him?
Speaker 5: Because he's a damn good player, And you're right, I
Speaker 5: must stinch. No, No, I mean hey, and I I
Speaker 5: could say I've got three wide receivers in the first round.
Speaker 5: But this guy, he is so competitive. He's aggressive with
Speaker 5: the run after catch. He could break tackles. He's got
Speaker 5: body strength, he's got power. He's a versatile weapon. You
Speaker 5: can use my jet, sweet pop pass, smooth route runner.
Speaker 5: He's a discipline with his cuts, the best routes. He
Speaker 5: runs those ones across the field. He gets a job,
Speaker 5: a great job of catching the ball on the move,
Speaker 5: turning up the field. He makes plays on all levels
Speaker 5: of the defense. He's quick, he's athletic. He gets a
Speaker 5: top speed really quickly. The long arms allows him to
Speaker 5: play much larger than he is. Uh, you know, I
Speaker 5: think that there's you know, there's some some things you're
Speaker 5: gonna have to work on him with the consistency getting
Speaker 5: off the line on the outside, but man, he could
Speaker 5: track it. There's so many great things about this guy
Speaker 5: that you have to really really appreciate about his game. Uh,
Speaker 5: you know, there's been some drops in his day, but
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what, He's playing a ton of big
Speaker 5: games of his career. He's very driven. He's serious athlete,
Speaker 5: and I mean I think this kid really really gets it.
Speaker 5: Listening to him talk, Yeah, lots of good points across
Speaker 5: the board. Anybody else when anyone wants to bring up
Speaker 5: we got have you guys seen have you seen have
Speaker 5: you seen royals from Utah State? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Somebody asked him.
Speaker 4: He's one I want to just because the right Let's.
Speaker 5: Let circle back on Royals. He's a wide receiver from
Speaker 5: Utah State. Yeah, I'm sure watching. I'll probably talk about
Speaker 5: him sometime nighttime, but we'll talk about him too here
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 4: Just two quick names I could throw out. I mean
Speaker 4: I'm super quick. I know I've mentioned Nick Nash out
Speaker 4: of San Jose State. Yeah, he led the nation and
Speaker 4: receptions and receiving yards in twenty two four, six foot,
Speaker 4: three hundred and ninety five pounds. I think he's a
Speaker 4: little slender. He could add some weight, but I think
Speaker 4: he could be an X option. And uh, we don't
Speaker 4: talk about the Hula Bowl a whole lot, but it's
Speaker 4: a it's an all star game. Used to, yeah, used
Speaker 4: to is to watch a lot of table that has
Speaker 4: allowed a lot of guys to pop in recent years.
Speaker 4: Rock Taylor out of Memphis six foot three, two hundred
Speaker 4: and fifteen pounds. He blew everyone away in Orlando at
Speaker 4: the Hula Bowl. So yeah, not Hawaii Orland.
Speaker 2: And tell you about Rock Taylor from Memphis, from my
Speaker 2: American dame in the American Athletic Conference.
Speaker 3: He's fun.
Speaker 5: I had a good player, yeah, play good football quarterback.
Speaker 3: Is going to be down in the Senior Bowl. Seth
Speaker 3: In Agan late add to the Senior Bowl roster sound
Speaker 3: product dat Ryan. Yeah, absolutely, all right.
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Speaker 2: US this week. We'll be back on Tuesday, eleven am
Speaker 2: Central Time to break it all down for you.
Speaker 5: Tommy and I and Nick will be in Mobile. So
Speaker 5: Zach Wolcheck will host on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: We've got some exclusive content from Mobile coming your way,
Speaker 2: including player interviews. We've got a radio row spot out
Speaker 2: there at the convention Center, and I've also talked to
Speaker 2: Dane Brugler already.
Speaker 5: Expect to hear from Dane Brugler while.
Speaker 3: We're out there in Mobile.
Speaker 2: Practices for the Shrine Bowls start on Saturday up in Denton,
Speaker 2: then we fly out on Monday to have Tuesday, Wednesday,
Speaker 2: Thursday as a part of the Senior Bowl before the
Speaker 2: Shrine Bowl Thursday night.
Speaker 3: Gonna be a whole lot of fun this next week
Speaker 3: as we continue to dive in under ninety days away
Speaker 3: from the NFL Draft for Nick Harris.
Speaker 2: Voch, Lombardi, Tommy y Aurish, Brian brought us some Kyle
Speaker 2: Yeoman saying so long from the Draft show.
Speaker 3: We will see you on Tuesday.
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