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Speaker 1: Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room

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Speaker 1: for insider news and draft analysis from deep within the

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Speaker 1: confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star and for scoo

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Speaker 1: and now your host, Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 2: Today is January twenty third, twenty twenty five, and we

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Speaker 2: are ninety one days away from the NFL Draft in

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Speaker 2: Green Bay, Wisconsin. Welcome in everybody to the Draft Show,

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Speaker 2: presented by Miller, Like the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: It's Miller time and it's time to talk draft. Might

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Speaker 2: be time to hire a new head coach. We'll know

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Speaker 2: very surely here.

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Speaker 3: Over the next couple of days.

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Speaker 2: I think we're starting to get a pretty good fixture

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Speaker 2: of it all. But we've got Nick, Harris, Voch Lombardi,

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Speaker 2: Tommy Yarsh, Brian brought us. I'm Kyle Yeoman's glad you're

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Speaker 2: with us. Lots still to be decided in the building.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of tough to really dive in until that

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Speaker 2: decision has been made, but we'll hit that later on.

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Speaker 2: One thing I do want to talk about, Nick, you

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Speaker 2: you sent me a quote from the new GM of

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Speaker 2: the Tennessee Titans speaking on what it's going to take

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Speaker 2: up at the front of the draft. And that's one

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Speaker 2: thing we haven't mentioned yet is what could happen in

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Speaker 2: front of the Cowboys at twelve. He said, you don't

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Speaker 2: want to pass on a generational talent at the.

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Speaker 4: Number one pace.

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Speaker 3: We are not going to we are not going to

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Speaker 3: pass on in terms of the Tennessee Titans.

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Speaker 2: So that kind of begs the question, who's the generational

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Speaker 2: talent that they're not going to pass on and what else.

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Speaker 3: Could fall in front of the first eleven picks.

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Speaker 4: There's there's a very clear generational talent in this draft.

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Speaker 4: And his name rhymes with Bravis Bunner, you know, And

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Speaker 4: I think I think that's the I think that's the

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Speaker 4: obvious one. You could make the case that there's three, though.

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Speaker 4: You can make the case for Abdul Carter, make the case.

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Speaker 4: I'm not necessarily saying that. I'm saying you can make

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Speaker 4: the case. And I think you can make the case

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Speaker 4: for gent. Yeah, those are the guys you can make

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Speaker 4: the case for. You're not making the You're not making

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Speaker 4: the case for cam Ward. I don't think you're making

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Speaker 4: the case for any of these other guys that are

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Speaker 4: you know, rumored to go top five. I think I

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Speaker 4: think that they eventually follow on one of those three guys.

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Speaker 4: But if he's if he's coming out with a statement

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Speaker 4: like that, and the odds yesterday in Vegas flip heavily

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Speaker 4: into Travis Hunter's favor, I don't know. I think we

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Speaker 5: They need a quarterback though they do more than anything,

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Speaker 5: but they've whipp done some quarterbacks recently.

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Speaker 4: I mean, maybe Travis Hunter can air that thing out.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, speaking of generation, we'll Salent, we'll see.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever hear that type of talk from a

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Speaker 2: brand new GM Brian Becket.

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Speaker 5: Oh, it's absolutely, you know, it's one of the things

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Speaker 5: that when you know, I had the opportunity to run

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Speaker 5: the draft in Philadelphia in ninety eight. We were sitting

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Speaker 5: way about Randy Moss, you know, and Jeff Lurie made

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Speaker 5: the statement that you know, listen, Brian, I'm not comfortable

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Speaker 5: taking the player, and I'm thinking, okay, well, sir, just

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Speaker 5: know that he is this type of a player. He

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Speaker 5: can be an absolute difference maker's I just don't feel

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Speaker 5: comfortable taking him. Brian and I'll and I'll wear that one.

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Speaker 5: He goes, I'll wear that one if that's where we're

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Speaker 5: going to go, and I said, well, yes, sir, you

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Speaker 5: I think that every general manager, you know, the older

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Speaker 5: I've gotten, the more I want the I want the

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Speaker 5: the the best player, I want the healthiest player, and

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Speaker 5: I want the most stable player my first round pick.

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Speaker 5: And I think if you find a guy that has

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Speaker 5: all three of those traits, he's got a chance to

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Speaker 5: can I surely appreciate, Uh what the what the r

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Speaker 5: the three elements there? You said, Yeah, give me, give

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Speaker 5: that's the stable guy. Absolutely, you think Travis Hunter fits

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Speaker 5: all three of those? I think did Travis Hunter? Absolutely does?

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Speaker 5: I think Travis Hunter if you if you really really

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Speaker 5: Woodson went on even later with Green Bay and had

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Speaker 5: a tremendous career. But I do believe that. And so, yeah,

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Speaker 5: Travis Hunter, you watch how he you know, how he

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Speaker 5: You know. I mean there's a lot of people he's

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Speaker 5: He's having to know his own personal life is kind

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Speaker 5: I think he's handling things very very well. Very stable guy,

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Speaker 5: you know, outstanding player, and you know the health of

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Speaker 5: to the point where it would take you make you

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Speaker 5: going to be hurt. I don't think that's the case

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Speaker 5: for Travis Hunter. What do you guys think about outside

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Speaker 5: of Hunter? The guys that fit those three different molds.

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Speaker 5: In terms of a generational type of player, I.

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Speaker 6: Don't really use generational a lot because I would like

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Speaker 6: for there to be a whole generation of players, you know,

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Speaker 6: prior to you know you being the next dude.

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Speaker 7: Right. So, Ashton Jentsy, right, fantastic.

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Speaker 6: I can't call him generational because two drafts ago would

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Speaker 5: Is John a couple weeks or a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 6: Sure, So I think what you got to ask yourself

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Speaker 6: with this? First of all, the GM on where he's

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Speaker 6: probably lying, right, it's January. You know you're not gonna

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Speaker 6: show your hand in early January, late January, February, right,

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Speaker 6: But let's just ask, just heal a little game, play

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Speaker 6: a little game. Do you take with hindsight Jayden Daniels,

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Speaker 6: we know who Jayden Daniels is, franchise quarterback?

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Speaker 7: Or do you take generational Travis Hunter.

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Speaker 4: If I'm Washington, or is assist in general if.

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Speaker 6: You Tennessee, and we have this time machine where we

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Speaker 6: know who Jayden and Daniels is, he's in this draft,

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Speaker 6: he's versus let's assume they don't like cam Ward that's

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Speaker 6: why he said, oh okay, yeah, right, So let's take

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Speaker 6: a generational player versus a quarterback that you feel like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm taking Daniels. Yeah, so it it.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you don't want to be Pittsburgh saying okay, well,

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Speaker 6: let's take Kenny Pickett just because he's a quarterback.

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Speaker 7: And Kenny Pickett is that a whole nothering And that

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Speaker 5: The twenty fourth overall pick. Now the first overall pick.

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Speaker 6: So that makes it even worse. So if it's me, man,

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Speaker 6: if you trust the quarterback, take the quarterback. If you

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Speaker 6: don't trust the quarterback, then take the player that you trust.

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Speaker 6: I'm trusting Travis over cam or Chador or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Do you trust these quarterbacks?

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Speaker 8: I trust cam Ward at number one. I think that

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Speaker 8: makes the most sense. And I'm with Vatch. I think

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Speaker 8: there's a little bit of coach speaks slash GM speak.

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Speaker 5: Going on little Lyons.

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Speaker 8: I think it's a little hashtag lying season because later

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Speaker 8: on in this press conference, he also said that they're

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Speaker 8: going to turn over every rock to find their franchise

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Speaker 8: changing quarterback. And I think for the Titans tennis camp

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Speaker 8: Ward makes the sense. Yeah, how much are they gonna

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Speaker 5: What is it? Forty million dollars? All the money, all

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Speaker 8: Okay, No, I think that, you know, if for them

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Speaker 5: And I think that.

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Speaker 8: If they if they draft a guy like cam Ward,

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Speaker 8: he's a generational talent. Because there's your GM speak, because

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Speaker 8: they want to sell it to the fan base. So

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Speaker 8: I think they're just trying to sell it to the

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Speaker 8: fan base. It's his first day on the job. Try

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Speaker 8: and generate as much hype as you can. If he's

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Speaker 8: If they're going to draft generational player, it's going to

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Speaker 8: be Travis Hunter. But if they're going to draft their

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Speaker 8: franchise changing quarterback after they turn every rock, I think

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Speaker 8: it's camp board.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I ran in the cam woard last night. He was

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Speaker 2: be on the show. He said, no, he's a media can. Okay,

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Speaker 2: he's just hanging out.

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Speaker 5: He's hanging out with his former head coach, Eric Morris.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, watch the recruit watches just be a situation It's

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Speaker 4: like when the Calves have the number one overall pick

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Speaker 4: in twenty thirteen and they drafted Anthony Bennett when there

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Speaker 4: was they're gonna draft like Nick Scourton first overall. We're

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Speaker 4: gonna look back on that quote. Generational.

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Speaker 6: Okay, all right, wow, he is generation but but like

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Speaker 6: those kind of guys, they don't really save the day really,

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Speaker 6: like Miles Garrett, right, generational guy.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he's not the guy saving Cleveland.

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Speaker 6: Right, Like they got to look for quarterback and they

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Speaker 6: kind of let Baker going. Baker's doing great things somewhere else.

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Speaker 6: But you know, like Mac didn't change the Raiders, Like

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Speaker 6: what generational guy recently has changed that team so much?

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Speaker 6: Where Hey, this generational dude changed the whole face of

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Speaker 6: what we do quarterback or not?

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Speaker 4: Are we talking number one overall? Because I think Mahomes,

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Speaker 4: for sure.

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Speaker 7: That's different. He's a generational quarterback.

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Speaker 6: I think that's kind of outside of a non quarterback

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Speaker 7: When was the last time.

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Speaker 2: One of the guys at the top of the list

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Speaker 2: might be across the hallway? Micah look at the way

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Speaker 2: that this twenty twenty Cowboys defense was and then what

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Speaker 2: it has become, said then he changed the face of

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Speaker 2: the identity of the Cowboys franchise as the edge rusher,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of that was dan Quinn too. Don't

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Speaker 2: get me wrong, they've they changed the identity, but I

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Speaker 2: don't think you do that.

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Speaker 5: Without Micah in the fold. But I get your point.

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Speaker 5: And that's just one example along the way. Maybe Jamar

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Speaker 5: Chase and what he did. But he's got a generational

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Speaker 5: quarterback up there. He's got a great quarterback and John

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Speaker 5: say that guy, let me, let me say this, and

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Speaker 5: this is going to be way off that probably like

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Speaker 5: at a left field, that kid at the Raiders, that

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Speaker 5: tight end has got power, rock powers. I mean, if

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Speaker 5: kid has a chance to be a player that for

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Speaker 5: you know, he could be as great as the Tony

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Speaker 3: Or Travis Hunter.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a need kind of across the board from

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Speaker 8: I think Giants and Vegas you're looking at you're looking

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Speaker 5: You have any positions up top votch that have to

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Speaker 6: Twelve, honestly, no, man, Just personally, I think they're just

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Speaker 6: I think all these teams kind of suck equally or whatever,

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Speaker 5: There you go.

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Speaker 6: But Mason Graham is much better than this receiver. So

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna take the receiver. I think maybe when you

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Speaker 5: To me, there's a lot of questions about this offensive

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Speaker 5: scare some people. I mean especially, and I keep saying this.

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Speaker 5: I think, though, when you get to the top of

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Speaker 5: you want to take the healthiest one, the most stable one.

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Speaker 5: That's the three things that I gave you right there.

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Speaker 5: You want to do everything in your power to eliminate

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Speaker 5: you're in the top five, there's no reason to gamble

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Speaker 5: even McMillan, you know from Arizona, there's guys like that.

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Speaker 5: I tell you what, if Simmons with the tackle from

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Speaker 5: I just think you take the guy that can absolutely

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Speaker 5: all the time, and then now worry about things at

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Speaker 5: the top of the second round, the top of the

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Speaker 2: So does that approach where I know in the past

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Speaker 5: Quarterbacks to go early. Every quarterback possible.

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Speaker 2: Go in the top ten picks, the top eleven picks,

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Speaker 5: Picks help or hurt the Cowboys? I think if anything,

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Speaker 5: it probably hurts them. Yeah, it definitely hurts because what

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Speaker 5: you're going to have to do is now you're trying

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Speaker 5: going to hurt you for where you're going to as well,

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Speaker 5: but you would like ultimately to try and navigate this

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Speaker 3: Have you done a mock draft yet?

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Speaker 5: Nick?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, not this early on.

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Speaker 9: No.

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Speaker 4: I try to stay away until after combine.

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Speaker 2: Okay, has anybody done one yet? Looking at just where

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Speaker 2: it's gonna end up? I don't vatch you do a

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Speaker 7: I do that. Mock drafts are goofy. I hate them.

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Speaker 6: And if you know everybody's not gonna they just oh,

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Speaker 6: they'll never take a dual carter second over, you'll know

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Speaker 6: what you're talking about. Like, people hate mock drafts, but

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Speaker 6: they love to look at them, but they hate you

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Speaker 7: Nobody knows what.

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Speaker 3: How many are in your mentions right now.

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Speaker 6: I don't even count them because they're not gonna upset

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Speaker 6: my soul. But we do look at other people do

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Speaker 6: mocks and sure, sure, and that's why we kind of

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Speaker 6: have a feeling that, Okay, well Carter may be the first,

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Speaker 6: you know, nun Travis Hunter got to go, oh well,

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Speaker 6: Mason Graham is always righting at Jacksonville Range. You know

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Speaker 6: Campbell from LSU, he's he's always a bear, and this

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Speaker 6: So I think the mock drafts are what they are

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Speaker 6: right now. I think Senior Bowling combine is going to happen.

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Speaker 6: I think it's going to shake it up one more time.

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Speaker 6: But I think the top twelve or so guys I

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Speaker 7: Edges up there.

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Speaker 6: You know, yeah, Mike, I've been seeing him a lot

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Speaker 3: What do you feel like the safest bet is for

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Speaker 3: Dallas to have their available at twelve.

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Speaker 5: It's a good question. I feel like GENTI will be there.

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Speaker 5: You think so, I think so?

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Speaker 5: Any reason, yeah, any reason the Bears would take him

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Speaker 5: they got a block for they Well, I'll tell you

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Speaker 5: one thing though, if you've ever watched Barry Sanders play

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Speaker 5: because Ashton Genty will allow you to be able to

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Speaker 5: so that's why when people say you can't take it

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Speaker 5: offensive line better. What do you think now, I'm with you.

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Speaker 8: I think I completely agree, and that's why I think

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Speaker 8: just think the Bears. They just signed DeAndre Swift last office,

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Speaker 8: think they like what he's done for them so far,

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Speaker 8: No question, they really need help on the offensive line.

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Speaker 8: So I think that's kind of the direction that they

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I you know, I yeah, I understand to

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Speaker 5: That's what they've done.

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Speaker 7: Bryan's point.

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Speaker 6: If y'all just go watch GENC versus Organ, Right, like

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Speaker 6: everybody on their boys stayed offensive line, and Gens still

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Speaker 7: Some of the goofy ridiculous.

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Speaker 6: So even if your line is not perfect, just don't

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Speaker 2: I like how the NFL script is starting to play

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Speaker 2: its factor here, he said. Walter Payton and Barry Sanders.

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Speaker 2: Walter Payton was pretty good in Chicago. Barry Sanders played

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Speaker 5: To me, this is yeah, this is where like say,

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Speaker 5: get down to it at twelve. If genty is, I

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Speaker 5: who's the best player on the board, and every one

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Speaker 5: of us is going to say genty and less in fact,

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Speaker 5: But yeah, we're going there's going to be some guys

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Speaker 5: And then when you ask us, it's going to be

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Speaker 2: One of the questions involves moving Cooper Bbe back to guard.

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Speaker 4: Nick, No, Now, I used to be when I was

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but nothing you do.

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Speaker 3: Like the mutton busting where you're the sheep.

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Speaker 5: You ever do that?

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Speaker 4: I don't even know what the hell that is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you like write it.

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Speaker 2: They like put you in a cage with a sheep

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Speaker 2: and then they let it go and the kid's supposed

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Speaker 3: The sheep across like the rodeo grounds. It's the thing

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Speaker 3: I did it back in the day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fun to imagine.

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Speaker 3: M Yeah, there's a video of.

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Speaker 5: parents have it in a drawer somewhere where it's like

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Speaker 5: a cam quarter video of me just getting bucked off

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Speaker 5: a sheep.

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Speaker 4: Big Central Texas.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, Waco, Texas baby born and raised. All right,

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Speaker 5: Chris Beam, you know what time it is. It's time for.

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Speaker 2: Twitter Twitter on the twenty first question, this is the

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Speaker 2: one it is going into the break. It's a first

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Speaker 2: time question from Caden in Frisco. Cayden asked, what about

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Speaker 2: the opportunity to flip Cooper bebe back to guard where

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Speaker 2: he was of course traditionally playing at Kansas State. And

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Speaker 2: if that's the case, are there any centers that would

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Speaker 2: allow you to do so in this year's NFL draft?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a specific Caden in Frisco that asked

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Speaker 4: me this exact same question yesterday. I this is this

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Speaker 4: is fascinating. The center class is not as fun as

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Speaker 4: it was last year. That's that's that's first point. No

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Speaker 4: Zach fer no, No, there's no Zach Fraser's, no Graham Barton,

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Speaker 4: no even you know, BB's where you could like see

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Speaker 4: the possibility of a slide in. I think though, there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of experience, and I wonder how the experience

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Speaker 4: will translate whenever these guys get brought in for thirty visits,

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Speaker 4: whenever they get met for formal interviews at combine and

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Speaker 4: how those guys might poke up some boards. You look

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Speaker 4: at Seth McLaughlin out of Ohio State, that's a guy

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Speaker 4: with a ton of experience. Jake Major's at Texas, a

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Speaker 4: ton of experience. Goughlin's heart right yeah, Parker braills Ford

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Speaker 4: at out of Alabama, a lot of experience, Jake Slaughter

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Speaker 4: out of Florida, a lot of You get the point.

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Speaker 4: I think I wonder how this experience will translate whenever

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Speaker 4: that time comes around. But as I see it right now,

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Speaker 4: I keep BB where he's at. I mean, he played,

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Speaker 4: he played there his whole rookie season. He played damn well.

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Speaker 4: I think it's harder to find a center in this

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Speaker 4: league than it is to find a guard and go ahead,

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Speaker 4: and you know, lock down BB for what you have

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Speaker 4: and find your guard. At the same point, we'll see it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Speaker 8: So I think he played well enough at center to

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Speaker 8: keep him there. And if it becomes a problem, I

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Speaker 8: mean that that that may be the point where you

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Speaker 8: consider it. But I agree this center class, I mean

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Speaker 8: I kind of I like Slaughter from Florida. I think

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Speaker 8: he played really well this year finished as an All

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Speaker 8: American on the first team, a great run blocker, eight

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Speaker 8: hundred snaps this year, and he's played in at least

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Speaker 8: twelve games in each of his last three seasons at Florida,

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Speaker 8: So there's experience there. I know, Nick and I were

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Speaker 8: talking about Jake Majors from Texas yesterday as a guy

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Speaker 8: with a bunch of experience. So there's options there, but

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Speaker 8: I don't I don't think any of those options are

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Speaker 8: better than Cooper BB.

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Speaker 5: But true, did you talk to you and I did

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Speaker 5: a show, did you have somebody that you would move

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Speaker 5: from tackle to center that you was it.

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Speaker 7: Bo Marcus bo bo bo?

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Speaker 5: Is it bo vouw?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's a tackle for me, but people will have

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Speaker 6: him at guard. But I don't like small guards. He's

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Speaker 6: like three. Yeah, I don't like small, but I do

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Speaker 6: think that he'll be a great center because he's very athletic,

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Speaker 6: he can move around all this kind of stuff. But

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Speaker 6: I still like the heavy, powerful center. That's my personal preference.

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Speaker 6: So what I was saying last year, you know, just

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Speaker 6: on YouTube talking, I want my center to be strong again.

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Speaker 6: So let's either get a strong center or let's get

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Speaker 6: a guard and make him center, and snapping and stepping

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Speaker 6: is tough to snapping and stephan. It's a lot of

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Speaker 6: butt turning that you gotta do. All this adjustments. When

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Speaker 6: you at guards, you're really just flying off and just

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Speaker 6: whooping people. It'll hurt me to look at BB and say, man, look,

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Speaker 6: you spend three hundred and sixty five days learning how

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Speaker 6: to snap and step go back to guard. I wouldn't

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Speaker 6: want to do that. What I would want to do

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Speaker 6: is keep him there and keep center strong, and take

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Speaker 6: Tyler Smith and keep left guard strong, and find you

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Speaker 6: a powerful right guard. A summon. Zach's not going to

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Speaker 6: be here, and let's just be strong in the middle,

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Speaker 6: and let's just move a gap. Let's move b gap.

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Speaker 6: I don't want to go back to the days when

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Speaker 6: you got to hide center. Beyaddish was cool, but Beyaddish

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Speaker 6: was this stalemate guy had guys what they called it, right.

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Speaker 6: You just line up hat on hat, run your feet,

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Speaker 6: hope for the best, and a running back and just

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Speaker 6: pick a hole. That's cool, But I want bodies to

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Speaker 6: hit the floor. So I'm fine with BB coming back,

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Speaker 6: probably stronger, probably Nick a little thicker because of the offseason.

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Speaker 6: Peanut Butter that they give them around here to just

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Speaker 6: makee people big for no reason. Let's get another strong

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Speaker 6: guard up in here. Let's go boogie Tate ratleys from George.

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Speaker 6: Let's go get him.

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Speaker 7: Bring him in.

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Speaker 4: How y'allom Tyler Booker. I mean he was left guard

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Speaker 4: mainly at Alabama.

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Speaker 7: He's a killer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, stud, that's a perfect example.

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Speaker 7: Put him right there, and let's be stronger.

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Speaker 6: If you have two powerful guards and a powerful center,

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Speaker 6: you can live with question marks at tackle like we have.

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, you can live with all right,

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Speaker 6: Luke school Maker, just chip out there and everything inside

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Speaker 6: is going to be just fine.

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Speaker 7: Let's run the ball up the middle.

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Speaker 5: That would give Tyler Guyton enough opportunity to grow into

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Speaker 5: his own. Whether it be a left tackle or right tackle.

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Speaker 3: Either one of those would be an option. If you've

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Speaker 3: got a strike.

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Speaker 5: I just believe if you correct the penalties with Geyton,

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Speaker 5: I think you'll have a better player. Yeah. I think

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Speaker 5: that's where people are they're focusing on. Would you move

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Speaker 5: him back to right tackle? Well, you've played him over there. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 5: he got injured this season and it caused him miss

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Speaker 5: some training camp and some games and all that but

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Speaker 5: if you watch him play, it's the penalties that were

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Speaker 5: the problem. It wasn't the overall play, it was just

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Speaker 5: the penalties.

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Speaker 3: It's a good place to start overall.

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Speaker 2: Nate asked what positions on this team can you confidently

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Speaker 2: in all caps, confidently say you do not need to

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Speaker 2: draft another player? Is there a single position on this

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Speaker 2: roster where you feel like you are good.

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Speaker 4: Maybe after free agency we'll have a better clear answer of.

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Speaker 6: That as we stand right now, left guard in particular,

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Speaker 6: you know, tight end.

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Speaker 7: I think you could draft a.

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Speaker 2: Tight I still have confidence in Ferguson and Schoonmaker moving forward,

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Speaker 2: and I like some of the undrafted guys like Brevins,

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Speaker 2: van Ford and John Stevens. I know he hasn't played

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Speaker 2: a whole lot, but I think I'm confident at tight end.

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Speaker 3: But I know people out there that aren't.

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00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 5: They don't have enough picks to that don't have enough

660
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 5: pick to even get filled there. This is to me,

661
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 5: and and this is just my thought. You're about to

662
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 5: have a second round of potentially losing a bunch of guys,

663
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 5: and you're when you're talking about Golston, you're talking about

664
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 5: Jordan Lewis, you're talking in free agency. Free agency, we're

665
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 5: about to have the second purge, and and you don't

666
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 5: really want to go that way. They don't have enough

667
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 5: picks and maybe not enough cap space to potentially fill

668
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 5: all the holes that they're going to have. I don't

669
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 5: think there's any position that you could say that you

670
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 5: can't draft and it would help your team right now.

671
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 5: I'm sure people would say quarterback, but you know what,

672
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 5: you don't have a backup quarterback right now, and your

673
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 5: quarterback has been getting hurt here as of late, so

674
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 5: you might want to consider that too. Yeah, your backup

675
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 5: quarterback right now is Will Greer moving forward in the

676
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 5: reserves contract moving forward?

677
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 3: Were you gonna say something I forgot?

678
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 7: Okay?

679
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 6: So so Jake right? You feel about Jake Ferguson? Can

680
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 6: is Jake going to be a guy that's going to

681
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 6: be around for a long time? Or do you think

682
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 6: the cow Boys are going to turn tight end into

683
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 6: like a factory type thing where we're just going to

684
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 6: draft the fifth round of this year. Well, we'll bring

685
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 6: another undrafted guy and just keep rotating the guys.

686
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: I'll throw in a conversation I had with one of

687
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: the front office members earlier this season.

688
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: And he said when they were going through.

689
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 5: The players across the board to keep long term in Dallas,

690
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 5: they sat down before right after the Dak Prescott deal

691
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 5: was done, and as they were talking and going through it,

692
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 5: they went with Dak and he said, which guys do

693
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 5: you want? The first guy Dak pointed to was Jake Ferguson.

694
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 5: He'll be around for a long time. He's going to

695
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 5: be around for a minute. So they're going to invest

696
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 5: in Ferguson and they're going to invest in getting him

697
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 5: right moving forward.

698
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 6: For sure, your tight end one Harold Fannon from Boston College.

699
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 4: Tight an two. But he's in that conversation.

700
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 7: A tight end you love.

701
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: We just yeah, who's your tight end one.

702
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 6: Let's just assume that the league has made all kind

703
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 6: of mistakes and he's at the top of the board

704
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 6: in the third round.

705
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 7: For you and Jake, Sure guy, Yes, Okay, I just

706
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 7: want to see where we're at with this.

707
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: See but that I think is more of an indictment

708
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: on Luke's Schoomaker more than anything. But Schoomaker right now

709
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: is a bust of a second round pick. He hasn't

710
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: lived up to that expectation. I don't think that's necessarily

711
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: an indictment on Ferguson and what he could bring.

712
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 6: I think tight end, you're gonna live and die by

713
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 6: four at this point Dak right, Sure, So if Dak's

714
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 6: not there, we may not have great tight end play.

715
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 6: If Dak is playing, let's go all right, Luke, are

716
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 6: you good with Dak?

717
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 15: No?

718
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 7: Not really?

719
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 6: All these other guys, you know, it's mostly ferg Right,

720
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 6: So you just got to ask, is ferg like gonna

721
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 6: be a long term guy attached to Dak?

722
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 7: Is that gonna be here past three years?

723
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 5: Like?

724
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 7: We just got to have a questions like that.

725
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 6: And so I just think when we're looking at tight ends,

726
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 6: do we stop because we don't got so many picks?

727
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 6: Do we not look at tight end if we feel

728
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 6: confident about Jake Ferguson. I don't think Ferguson's done enough

729
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 6: to be like a new coach proof guy or like

730
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 6: a new quarterback proof guy. If Dak retires today, are

731
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 6: we sure Jake is gonna be here?

732
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Speaker 4: There was a point in the season last year, it

733
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 4: was probably like eight or nine weeks in. I think

734
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 4: it was right around the Atlanta game when a coach

735
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 4: on this team said, off the record that Hunter Lippy

736
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 4: is the second best tight end on this team. And

737
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 4: if they feel like that midway through a season, it

738
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 4: doesn't matter how scoon Maker finishes a year or how

739
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 4: John Stevens Junior bounces back from another a cl injury.

740
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 4: They got to go get a guy. Yeah, I'm firmly

741
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 4: in the in the belief that they're going to go

742
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 4: get a tight end this year.

743
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: Where would you put Hunter Lipke in that that list?

744
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 3: One tight end?

745
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 5: I figured love some Hunter Lipkey. All right, this is

746
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 5: from Calvin. This will be interesting.

747
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 3: You guys are gonna have to to listen here.

748
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 5: He's this is a pick your fighter in the first

749
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 5: three rounds. Going back here, all right.

750
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 3: First option Kelvin Banks, Caleb Johnson, and Jayden Higgins.

751
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 4: It's his first round, first.

752
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: Three rounds for the Cowboys. These are different scenarios along

753
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: the way.

754
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 7: Let me go find this, he said.

755
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 5: Calvin Banks, Texas Johnson, Caleb Johnson helped me out on

756
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 5: school here, Iowa Jayden Higgins. I so you're going straight

757
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 5: big twelve and former Big twelve there. Oh, I guess

758
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,479
Speaker 5: I was Big ten. Never mind forget I said that.

759
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 5: But Banks, Johnson Higgins are the three first round picks.

760
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 5: There are three first three round picks there. Next one

761
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 5: is Luther Burden from Missouri, Diannie Walker.

762
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: Is that how you say it?

763
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 5: Ni? Diannie Walker, de Walker Kentucky, Ollie Gordon running back

764
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 5: from Oklahoma State. That's your second option.

765
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 4: We need to have a fascinating conversation about Ali Gordon

766
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 4: at some point.

767
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I completely agree, and then Ashton Genty starts off

768
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 5: the last option, of course, running back from Boise State,

769
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 5: Xavier Rostrepo wide receiver.

770
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: From Miami, and then TJ. Sanders at the end of

771
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: that one. You want me to repeat it all again?

772
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: Kelvin Banks, Johnson, excuse me, Kelvin Banks, Caleb Johnson, Jaden Higgins.

773
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 3: That's your first option. Luther Burden, Dion Walker, Ollie Gordon

774
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 3: is your second option, Ashton Gent Xavier Rostreppo, TJ. Sanders

775
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 3: is your third option. Where are you going?

776
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 5: Do? I?

777
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 12: Is?

778
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 4: Option three? Is option three?

779
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 5: The post one? To me? On my board? Option three

780
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 5: would be a one, A three, and a three. Okay,

781
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 5: that's what would be on my board. What would your

782
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 5: other ones be? Banks, Johnson and Higgins. Banks would be

783
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 5: a one, Johnson would be a two. Higgins would be

784
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 5: a three. So that's in order to the rounds. So

785
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 5: that's that's fair assessment. Uh, Burden, Walker and Gordon. Burden

786
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 5: would be a one. Walker would be a two. Gordon

787
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 5: I have not looked at yet.

788
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: Okay, and that's that's fair. He's kind of down the

789
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: list I think right now. Burden as a one.

790
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 5: Kind of intriguing is how many first round grades do

791
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 5: you have at wide receiver? Three? Three of them mc millan, Burden,

792
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 5: and Abuca.

793
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 6: Okay, if you trade out Gordon for best running back available,

794
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 6: because I think Gordon's going to be like a date

795
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 6: three guy. So if my Gordon, what happened to him?

796
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 6: Trayvon Henderson or something like that, then I'm I'm taking.

797
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: We've got time to have that conversation now, if you

798
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: want to have that line.

799
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 4: Okay, last year I think paired with a lot of

800
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 4: issues in Stillwater. I mean, you start the year Alli

801
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 4: Gordon coach, You start the year with him having the

802
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 4: DUI like two weeks before the season started, right. If

803
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 4: you go into yeah, and then you go into the

804
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 4: year with a bad offensive line, an offensive line that

805
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 4: gets hurt. Now granted he's six foot, he's a huge kid,

806
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 4: six foot two, two hundred and twenty five pounds. Yeah,

807
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 4: like he should be able to make guys miss wasn't

808
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 4: necessarily making guys miss. I think it's like missibility was

809
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 4: a lot more in focus this year, whereas last year

810
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 4: he had an offensive line, he had guys in front

811
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 4: of him, he had a competent quarterback with him, he

812
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 4: had competent weapons around him, and it's why he was

813
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 4: a dok Walker winner in twenty three. I think he

814
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 4: suffered behind an offensive line, and it begs the question,

815
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 4: if he goes to a school or if he goes

816
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 4: to a program that does not have a successful offensive line,

817
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 4: can he succeed. And I don't know if that's the case.

818
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 4: And that shouldn't be the case for a guy that's

819
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 4: six foot two hundred and twenty five pounds. He should

820
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 4: be a guy that's like, hey, we can draft this guy.

821
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 4: Our offensive line might not be the best, but he's

822
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 4: a big tank bowling ball. He'll fight forward for extra yardage.

823
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 4: I don't think he uses his frame to his best advantage,

824
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 4: whereas we've seen that from him in years past. I

825
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 4: think mileage could be thing because he carried the ball

826
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 4: so often in high school against Trinity. I think high

827
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 4: school mileage definitely needs to be factored in when you

828
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 4: talk about Ali Gordon and then you go to Oklahoma State. Granted,

829
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 4: he didn't really pick up that starting role until about

830
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,479
Speaker 4: week three of twenty twenty three, but once he did,

831
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 4: they leaned on him a lot in twenty three.

832
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 3: He had two hundred and eighty five carries in twenty three.

833
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 4: And that was like in ten games as a star.

834
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 15: Yeah.

835
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, like those first three games he had like ten

836
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 4: carries totals, and then last year really carried him through.

837
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 3: He still put up one hundred and ninety carries last

838
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 3: year too.

839
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 4: Look, I'm an Alli Gordon believer. I put a third

840
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 4: round grade on him. I'm an Alli Gordon believer, but

841
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 4: I think he needs to have a good offense.

842
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 5: Okay, where would you in relation to Samson? Tennessee behind Harvey,

843
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 5: Central Florida behind Yeah, Junkins, Ohio State, Yeah, Neil, Kansas

844
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 5: uh in front.

845
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 4: I'm not as big on Neil as everyone else.

846
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 5: Okay, somebody asked about Neil here, what is the consensus

847
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 5: on Devin Neil from Kansas?

848
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 4: That's Michael's Question's that's still one I need to go

849
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 4: back because I gave him an N season grade and

850
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 4: I still need to go back and watch like his

851
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 4: full season. I love the production. He only just one

852
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 4: game in his entire career. He had three straight seasons

853
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 4: over one thousand yards. I mean the productions there. Don't

854
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 4: get me wrong, I don't know. I don't know. I

855
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 4: get I get a I'm scared of Blake Korum doing

856
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 4: this again this year. Where I look at the production,

857
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't care what he looks like. I

858
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 4: see the production. I'm scared of doing that again. And

859
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 4: I think Devin Neil starting to factor into that mind process.

860
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 5: Would Olie Gordon if say he came out in twenty

861
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 5: four this last previous year, last draft, would he be

862
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 5: up there with Johnson from Iowa, Hampton from North Carolina? Yeah, Anderson,

863
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 5: I think he probably would have been RB one last year,

864
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 5: probably a second round RB one, right.

865
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, second round RB one last year?

866
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 5: God, which one is he? Guys? Which one is he?

867
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 5: Is he the second round dude? Or is he the

868
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 5: third round dude?

869
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:43,479
Speaker 15: Yeah?

870
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you're there.

871
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 5: No, No, you're scared. It's our little draft room here.

872
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 5: You're scaring the hell out of me right now with

873
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 5: off the field stuff. Yeah, you know, because I've seen

874
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 5: a running back here that you know, likes to do

875
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 5: things off the field and then you know, and get

876
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 5: it took a lot of carries, you know.

877
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 4: I'll say this about Alli Gordon, known the kid since

878
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 4: he was fifteen. I don't have character concerns with all. Okay, partier, Yeah,

879
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 4: but what college student Oklahoma's.

880
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 5: Well no, but I'm saying because I think it affects.

881
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 4: I don't think it's I don't think it's a major thing. Okay,

882
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 4: I don't think it's.

883
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 5: Because See, that's the questions I would ask you if

884
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 5: we were sitting in a war room right now and

885
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 5: you start talking with this guy, and I would think,

886
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 5: why is this guy slowing down? Because you were scaring

887
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 5: the hell out of me right now with the way

888
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 5: you're describing him as Hey, last year, Brian, he was this,

889
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 5: this year he's this. Yeah, you know, and I'm trying

890
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 5: to figure out was it an offensive line, was it

891
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 5: a coach that was getting you know, the coach there's

892
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 5: a little crazy to begin with. Maybe they didn't get along,

893
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 5: you know, but you're you're scaring the hell out of me.

894
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 5: About this player right now?

895
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: Kind of playing along with the war room esque type

896
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: of question here, would there ever be a point when

897
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: you are scared in this regard and you're you're not

898
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: liking what you're hearing one way or the Oh, I.

899
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 5: Trust my scout, you trust I trust my scout. But

900
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 5: would but I need him to tell me why? Why

901
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 5: is he? Why was he if he came out last year?

902
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 5: I see a second round guy, and why did he

903
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 5: fall off so badly? And are we going to get

904
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 5: a player that's on the decline? So the pressure scenario

905
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 5: is on, you got to tell me why. Yeah, I

906
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 5: would say it's it's because I haven't seen the player. Yeah,

907
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 5: I mean and I and I'm going to see the

908
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 5: player myself. I feel like I've watched a lot of

909
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 5: these uh the Rutgers and Auburn, they've all got you know,

910
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 5: everybody's got running backs. But by the way you're talking

911
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 5: like I'm interested about the player from the previous year,

912
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 5: this player scares the hell out of me.

913
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 4: In this class, I wouldn't take him in this class.

914
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 4: In this class, I would not take it. Okay, with

915
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 4: the names that are I.

916
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 5: See that now.

917
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 4: Now, with the names that I would expect to be

918
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 4: right there. You could look at Dami Martinez out of Miami,

919
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 4: who has got the same type of physical trade six foot,

920
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 4: two hundred and thirty two pounds. I think he's going

921
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 4: to give the be the guy that gives you a

922
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 4: little bit more effort and situations that can fight forward.

923
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 4: TODs Brooks, I think he'll be there in the third round.

924
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 4: That's another bowling ball type at five ten to two

925
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 4: thirty Kalamannung guy, not necessarily bowling ball type, but five

926
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 4: nine two oh nine. That's that's the guy I would

927
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 4: take in that sation.

928
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 5: We talked about him last night. That's a good player.

929
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 7: Brocker guy see.

930
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 4: Five foot nine, and I think he's the best pass

931
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 4: protector in this class.

932
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 6: I think you make a good point, Nick, because just

933
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 6: how running back is like, it gives you a luxury

934
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 6: to go, Okay, we'll just pass on Gordon because it's

935
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 6: so many of them. Do we do the same thing

936
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 6: with like a pass rusher or something like that, or

937
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 6: like maybe a wide receiver. So our wide receiver from

938
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 6: Ohio State, how you say his name?

939
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 7: BOOKA right? His twenty twenty two film right Fantastic. CJ.

940
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 7: Stroud throwing the ball all over the ball.

941
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 6: We are top tier here, right, But if you look

942
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 6: at his numbers now they kind of down a little bit.

943
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 6: But you can directly look at that and go, okay,

944
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 6: it's a big difference between quarterback here here here. But

945
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 6: if you have like a premium dude, edge, wide receiver,

946
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 6: offensive line, whatever, and you don't know why they're bad

947
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 6: or you don't have a great reason, you really you

948
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 6: can really have faith in that reason. We don't know

949
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 6: why Gordon ain't as good as he would like, you know, Nick,

950
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 6: Nick gave a lot of reasons, but it's not as

951
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 6: clear as oh yeah, my quarterback just wasn't as good

952
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 6: and it just fell off. So I'm passing on Gordon.

953
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 6: He's probably a great player, and Gordon to probably go

954
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 6: to New England or something and he fantastic, gonna be

955
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 6: probably fantastic. But I'm just not rolled the dice guy.

956
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 6: With these type of sit woics.

957
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 2: It's an interesting conversation, really is. I appreciate the insight

958
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: on both sides, because that's.

959
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 5: What a war room's like. You have a scout that's

960
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 5: known the guy for.

961
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: A significant amount of time, having a conversation with him,

962
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: with the people around him, and then you get challenged

963
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 2: by the front office in order to do something.

964
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 5: He did a great job of hainting the player, the

965
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 5: picture of the player. The thing about it is like

966
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 5: I said, that's you know we with with the way

967
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 5: the board set up. Though he just told me, he goes,

968
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 5: I wouldn't draft this guy, yep, And but we got

969
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 5: to give the players due and you got to put

970
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 5: him on your board. But he just he just he said.

971
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 5: And then as a room is, if I was the

972
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 5: director and he said that, then I would say, Okay,

973
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 5: put him down there at the bottom of the board

974
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 5: and let's go to the next player.

975
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 4: If you were to fall though, and we're looking up

976
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 4: day three, midday three, we finally got our first pick

977
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 4: in the fifth round, and we don't have a running

978
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 4: back yet, So I'd bring that conversation back up, okay,

979
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 4: but but not I think with the names that.

980
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 2: You're not taking him off your board. You're just pushing

981
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: him further down.

982
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's not really a fourth round guys what he

983
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 5: sounds like right now.

984
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 4: Which is difficult because if this we have the full

985
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 4: context of Ollie Gordon. Sure, we're in twenty twenty four,

986
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 4: I think you would make the case that you could

987
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 4: still draft him in the third round. You could put

988
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 4: him in that conversation with God. I'm trying to think

989
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 4: of the run that went in the third round last year,

990
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 4: like Korum, h and Irving. Yeah, I think he went

991
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 4: the fourth. But yeah, I think you could put him

992
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 4: in that conversation and you'd feel comfortable, Hey, I think

993
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 4: you can draft this kid. But with the way this

994
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 4: class is set up specifically, there's gonna be a lot

995
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 4: of backs that fall that would be a lot higher

996
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 4: in other classes, and I think he's going to be

997
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 4: prime example.

998
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 5: Number one, you had Blake Korum last year in the third.

999
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 5: You had Marshawn Lloyd out of USC last year in

1000
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 5: the third.

1001
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 4: He gives me Lloyd vibes. Yeah, okay, he would give

1002
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 4: me Lloyd vibes.

1003
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 3: And that Jalen Wright was in the fourth.

1004
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 5: See, I really liked Lloyd. Now you're really messing me up.

1005
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: And then there was that run of like I believe

1006
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: Davis Grindo in the fourth he went to Green Bay.

1007
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 5: Didn't he? After Dallas picked and I was like, damn, yeah,

1008
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 5: what are we doing here? You know kind of thing.

1009
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, great, conversation. I love it.

1010
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 2: When we come back, we're gonna talk wide receivers. I'm

1011
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 2: gonna hear some of the names that are at the

1012
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 2: top of this draft that we haven't done a scouting

1013
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 2: report on, because wide receiver is a hot button topic,

1014
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 2: especially if your new head coach is an offensive minded

1015
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 2: head coach.

1016
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 3: Where could the wide receivers fall in this first round.

1017
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: We'll talk about some of the names we haven't mentioned

1018
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,080
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1076
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 5: with Cowboys sitting at twelve and of course with an

1077
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 5: elite wide receiver on the roster, but not a whole

1078
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 5: lot else out there for the Cowboys this season. Wide

1079
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 5: receiver is a hot button topic at the twelfth overall.

1080
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: Pick for Dallas fans out there. We've mentioned a lot

1081
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: of names already. We've mentioned TEDAROA McMillan from Arizona. We've

1082
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: mentioned Luther Burden from.

1083
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 5: Missouri, Amika Abuka from Ohio State. Lots of possibilities here.

1084
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 2: I want to hit some of the names that maybe

1085
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: we haven't had the opportunity to dive in on yet,

1086
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 2: and feel.

1087
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 5: Free to add names. Can I ask you a question

1088
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 5: on this on your on your path? Sure? Can you

1089
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 5: put a caveat on that? Give me somebody you would

1090
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 5: pair with CD? With CD lamb.

1091
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 3: So this is give me in the war room.

1092
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, give me give me somebody that listened. We're probably

1093
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 5: looking at our second wide receiver here, probably looking at

1094
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 5: an X. You guys got an your mind on sacks

1095
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 5: because I mean, we got a lot of guys that

1096
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 5: could play the X and the playing the slot and

1097
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 5: all that. Hell, Iowa stayed throws Higgins in the slot

1098
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 5: a lot. But can is anybody got an X that

1099
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 5: they're falling in love.

1100
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 3: With I mean at twelve, if he falls.

1101
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 5: Maybe at forty four, give me, give me, give me

1102
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 5: a guy at forty four, later forty four that you

1103
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 5: might you've got it? Do you have any exes that

1104
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 5: we talked about?

1105
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 6: Falling in love is tough because all the players that

1106
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 6: I fall in love with move around all over the formation,

1107
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 6: just like Ceedee Lamb. They're probably best in the slides,

1108
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 6: just like CD Lamb. But we've already mentioned them kind

1109
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 6: of sort of. But save you On Williams TCU, you know,

1110
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 6: big body guy. Yeah, they can say that he has

1111
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 6: some catch issues, but what the hell is coaching for?

1112
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 5: Man?

1113
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 6: Teach that do how to concentrate catch? But I think

1114
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 6: what makes him pair with Lamb is that they're both

1115
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 6: yet guys. So if there's ever a way that all right,

1116
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 6: we're just going to take Lamb out the game, and

1117
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 6: we don't want him doing yack stuff and make him

1118
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 6: hard to tackle. Cool save young big ass over there

1119
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 6: is also hard to tackle, and hey, you can do

1120
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 6: some creative fun things with some type of turping save

1121
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 6: the CD LAMB you know movement type you know type things.

1122
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 6: And just because save On is your ex guy, because

1123
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 6: he's built that way. He's also a dude that can

1124
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 6: line up in the slat or line up in the

1125
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 6: backfield and do weird things like that. Assume that our

1126
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 6: new coach or our new offense coordinator, can you know,

1127
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 6: creatively use a guy like that. But I think if

1128
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 6: you could just full time make him X guy and

1129
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 6: move him sometimes, I think he'll pair with with lamb

1130
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 6: will Did.

1131
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 5: You say Trey Harris? Trey Harris on this Okay, there

1132
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 5: you go talk about that man.

1133
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 13: Uh.

1134
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 8: I said he's the best exit in the class behind

1135
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 8: tm Mac.

1136
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 5: I't.

1137
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 8: I haven't watched Williams from TCU yet, but I've heard

1138
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 8: a lot of murmurs about the dropping loves and the

1139
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 8: Quinton Johnston past. Kind of Oh no, deters me a

1140
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 8: little bit, not saying that he's Quentin Johnson at all.

1141
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 3: Don't scout the helmet, Tommy, I.

1142
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 5: Understand, I understand. Don't say rigor either.

1143
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 4: That's another way, Josh Johnson damning in fort Worth.

1144
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 5: You got to turn it around. Felt it's a good

1145
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 5: looking player, though.

1146
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, I thought he's unbelievable in fifty to fifty ball

1147
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 8: watching some of the games. Sorry, Brian, but la oh No, absolutely,

1148
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 8: Texas A and M absolutely were the two games that

1149
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 8: I watched. Really good frame and athleticism. He can go

1150
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 8: up and fight for any ball. I thought he was

1151
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 8: really well adjusting mid air, strong hands to bring the

1152
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 8: ball in. He's criticized for not having great bursts yah

1153
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 8: the line. I thought he had some pretty solid bursts

1154
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 8: and I thought he moved well with the line of

1155
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 8: scrimmage getting out of his brakes. But I'll still need

1156
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 8: to see some more ropes him doing that. Not the

1157
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 8: greatest top end speed, but he's got some long strides

1158
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 8: and so I think that can develop into breaking away

1159
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 8: a little bit more. I think he gets the job done.

1160
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 8: And then when you watch him as a run blocker

1161
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 8: old this is an offense where lane Kiffin tries to

1162
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 8: get the ball out quickly, whether it be in the

1163
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 8: screen game or just getting it to their playmakers in space.

1164
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 8: I thought he was an aggressive run blocker down the field.

1165
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 8: So there's a lot to.

1166
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 5: Like with Trey Harris, especially with the six foot three frame.

1167
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 5: I thought.

1168
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 2: The note that I have is he has some of

1169
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: the best hands in the class. Yeah, he can high

1170
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 2: point the football, He's able to take contact with the

1171
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 2: frame and roll with it as well.

1172
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 5: He's a great deep ball threat, nearly eighteen yards over

1173
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 5: his career, not in one season, eighteen yards per catching

1174
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 5: his career.

1175
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 3: They utilized him quite a bit.

1176
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 2: He could be the next in a long list of

1177
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 2: Louisiana caliber tight ends. I mean, Cede Lamb came from Louisiana,

1178
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, Brian Thomas Junior, He's right there

1179
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 2: in that same mix.

1180
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 8: He had a thousand yards in eight games.

1181
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's wild.

1182
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 5: Where do you guys have to take.

1183
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:25,479
Speaker 4: Forty four?

1184
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 3: What do you think he's there at forty four?

1185
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 4: If he's there, yeah.

1186
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's going to be there. I

1187
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: don't think I would take him at twelve. No, No,

1188
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 2: he would be a perfect I would do a cartwheel

1189
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 2: if he's there at forty four.

1190
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 5: Is there, guys? You have at forty four better than him.

1191
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 3: At that point?

1192
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 8: Now, Matthew Golden Texas.

1193
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 3: Cold tell me about him?

1194
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 8: Oh my god, I understand that I have Texas bias,

1195
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 8: but this kid's incredibly even dating back to his days

1196
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 8: at Houston Klin Kane High School in the Houston area,

1197
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 8: I thought coming out of high school he's a four

1198
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 8: star prospect. I thought he should have been in the SEC.

1199
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 8: I don't know how Houston got him, but that was fantastic.

1200
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 8: His cuts and just incredible. He just glides all over

1201
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 8: the place. I think he's great out of his breaks,

1202
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 8: you know, great at the line of scrimmage and able

1203
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 8: to beat DB's very quickly. I thought towards the end

1204
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 8: of the year he really showed that he really showed

1205
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 8: his ball skills as well on the outside. I didn't

1206
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 8: think that that would be as showcase, but watching against

1207
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 8: Georgia in the SEC Championship game, there were a couple

1208
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 8: of balls he had down the sideline where he's just

1209
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 8: making incredible adjustment. Spit there to go back and get him.

1210
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 8: Really good hands, one of the better hands in the class,

1211
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 8: finds ways to win even with perfect coverage. I mentioned

1212
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 8: that SEC Championship game against Georgia, and then he can

1213
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 8: add the ability to as a return specialist. I think

1214
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 8: he had two returns for a touchdown in his last

1215
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 8: season at Houston, and he played back there for Texas.

1216
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 8: They didn't kick the ball to him very much. But

1217
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 8: I really like Matthew Golden.

1218
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 6: Let me just say what I love about wide receivers

1219
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 6: like that is, when you watch a lot of yours,

1220
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 6: like in passing, you go, all right, yours is cool.

1221
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 6: But when you watch Golden and you see some of

1222
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 6: the passes that he has to catch, you go.

1223
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 7: Damn, well, why why you was putting the ball all

1224
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:05,959
Speaker 7: over the place?

1225
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 6: But Golden catches everything high, low, way in front of

1226
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 6: behind him. Arizona State in the playoff game took that

1227
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 6: game over and it feels.

1228
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 5: Like, say, tight end. When you watch him, he's making

1229
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 5: all kinds of crazy ass catches.

1230
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 6: It feels like they they took a while to get

1231
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 6: him going, but once he got going, he would just

1232
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 6: tear everything up. I loved I got him as a

1233
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 6: first rounder and I know I'm probably I'm probably minority there.

1234
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 5: Yes, and you've got what twelve first round grades?

1235
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 6: I ain't got a lot. I got twelve, Yes, sir,

1236
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 6: I got twelve. So I got him in the one,

1237
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 6: and I just I just love how it's just small.

1238
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 6: He was very purposeful with his rival run. I thought

1239
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 6: he was slow at first, but oh, you're just changed

1240
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 6: the tempo to set people up. You know what I'm saying.

1241
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 6: I think that's a valuable big boy. Wide receiver tread

1242
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 6: so I got him at the one man.

1243
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 8: I'm with you, Yeah, first round grade on Here's the

1244
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 8: thing I think with Texas this year, I think they.

1245
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 5: Were trying to that you're in the same boat with this.

1246
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 5: I probleise I'm not.

1247
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 8: Talking wins, all right, all right, all right, yeah, there

1248
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 8: you go, thanks Bamber. Isaiah Bond was kind of like, Okay,

1249
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 8: let's try and get him the ball, and this is

1250
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 8: our guy. And then he kind of has a shaky

1251
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 8: start to the year and he goes down with the injury,

1252
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 8: and then you look at Gold and then it's like, oh, okay,

1253
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 8: so he's probably our best receiver out here. Let's try

1254
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 8: and get him the ball. And towards the end of

1255
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 8: the year, like you mentioned, I mean, he just he

1256
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 8: just took over that fourth and thirteen against Arizona State,

1257
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 8: just a nasty route to get open in the back

1258
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 8: of the end zone. And then even against Ohio State,

1259
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 8: he got hurt early in that first half, but he

1260
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 8: comes back and I think his first play he makes

1261
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 8: a diving catch on an out route right around the sidelines.

1262
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 8: So yeah, I have a first round grade on him.

1263
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 5: I think he's fantastic and I interest anybody in Besh

1264
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 5: from TCU.

1265
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, we brought him up a little bit last week.

1266
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 5: Okay, can I interest anyboy anybody seeing Higgins? We talked

1267
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 5: about him going against.

1268
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 4: He's gonna be one of my guys. I talked about it.

1269
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 4: If you don't mind, go for it. No, go for

1270
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 4: previous school Eastern Kentucky ball down the SCS ended up

1271
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 4: getting getting transferred to Iowa State.

1272
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1273
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 4: You talk about fifty to fifty.

1274
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 5: Ball, one of the best in the country.

1275
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 4: You talk about long speed too, those long strides he

1276
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 4: has at six foot five, I mean, this kid is

1277
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 4: six four and fifteen pounds. He's gonna be at seener

1278
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 4: Bol next week. I think this time next week, we're

1279
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 4: gonna have a much different perspective on Jayson Higgins. I

1280
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 4: think as a whole, I think he's gonna blow up

1281
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 4: next week. And I think this is a second round

1282
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 4: talent I do now that you talk about Okay, if

1283
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 4: Trey Harris is not there at forty four, yeah, I

1284
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 4: think this might be a guy that you look at

1285
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 4: at forty four eventually.

1286
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, is Stanford wide receiver. We talked about him at all, Eric, Eric.

1287
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 4: What's fascinating about him. Is he absolutely destroyed Travis Hunter

1288
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 4: second half of a game in oliterated him. The production

1289
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 4: is good aside from that, But I wonder how much

1290
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 4: we value him if we just take that game out.

1291
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 4: I know we can't take the game out because it's

1292
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 4: very valuable because it's up against you know, generational talent

1293
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 4: we talked about in the first segment. But if you

1294
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 4: take that game out, where do you stack where do

1295
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 4: you stack him up?

1296
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 7: And I don't.

1297
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 4: I don't have an answer for that. It's really tough.

1298
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 4: It's really tough for me. He's also questions about him.

1299
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 4: He's another senior Bowl guy. He's another guy that hasn't

1300
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 4: had the luxury of a quarterback throughout his time at Stanford. Sure,

1301
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 4: so you know how much do you value that too?

1302
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 4: But I like the kid.

1303
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 3: He's a young cat, right, he's coming out as like

1304
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 3: what a Redhords.

1305
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Speaker 5: He's a Canadian kid too, by the way, didn't play

1306
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 5: he had to come down here to play high school football.

1307
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 5: But this guy's got the straight line speed and I

1308
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 5: think he can track the ball. And you mentioned about

1309
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 5: the thing if you could watch him play against Travis Hunter,

1310
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 5: that Stanford was dead in the water. And they made

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Speaker 5: one of the most miraculous comeback She'll ever imagine it.

1312
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 5: And and our guy he was taking the ball off

1313
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Speaker 5: the top of Hunter's head to tie the game. He

1314
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Speaker 5: had a one handed catchers. Watching the Syracuse game, he

1315
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 5: had a one handed catch for a touchdown by high

1316
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 5: point in the ball against Syracuse. I mean, he fights

1317
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 5: the defender down the field. I mean when I was

1318
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 5: talking about X receivers, this is a guy I was

1319
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Speaker 5: thinking about at six two two ten, you know, I mean,

1320
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 5: route running and all that. He hasn't benefited from a

1321
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Speaker 5: quarterback that's been any good. You know, it's but I

1322
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 5: tell you what, man, this guy he's made the most

1323
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Speaker 5: of the opportunities he's had with the ball being all

1324
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Speaker 5: over the place to him. So I was kind of

1325
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Speaker 5: thinking I have him in the second round. He reminded me.

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Speaker 5: We all remember, and maybe it's a poor compared Brendan

1327
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 5: Rice when he was at USC. When we watched Brendan Rice,

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Speaker 5: and it seemed like Williams was kind of throwing the

1329
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 5: ball and he was having to make catches all over

1330
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 5: the place and stuff like that. This kid reminded me

1331
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 5: a little bit of Brendan Rice. Who's now with the

1332
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Speaker 5: with the chargers that way, elick io manor Iron manner.

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Speaker 4: I know we're having conversations about x's, but I think

1334
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 4: the overall conversation is.

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Speaker 5: Just wide receivers.

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Speaker 4: So would you pair with CD lamb Yeah? And if

1337
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 4: you're looking for a robin in this class, yeah, you

1338
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 4: knows a CD's batman. You look at him, Mecha Muka

1339
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 4: and throughout his four seasons at Ohio State has never

1340
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 4: been the leading receiver, never has never been the leading

1341
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 4: reception grabber. He comes in as a robin, and he

1342
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,479
Speaker 4: comes in as a robin, right, and the Ohio State

1343
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 4: career receptions leader is now a Meccha Buka. You think

1344
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 4: about all the guys that have gone through there. Yeah,

1345
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 4: granted there's a lot of guys that have only been

1346
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 4: there three years, but you think about all the receivers

1347
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 4: that they've had. He has been a robin throughout his

1348
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 4: career at Ohio State. I think he's a fascinating one.

1349
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 4: And I think if you want two chess pieces, you're

1350
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 4: talking about, Okay, two CD labs, it's not bad to have.

1351
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 4: I guess you that bring brings up that idea. I

1352
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 4: think this would be an idea of that. I think

1353
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 4: this guy can play anywhere.

1354
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 5: Where did you put him second round forty four?

1355
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 4: I have a second round grade on him. But if

1356
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 4: they were to pooka that, yeah, he's a one on

1357
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 4: my book, I take him at twelve. You wouldn't get

1358
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 4: an argument from No. Yeah at twelve, Yeah, he wouldn't

1359
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 4: get an argument.

1360
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 3: Why did you have a first round grade on him?

1361
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 5: Because he's a damn good player, And you're right, I

1362
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 5: must stinch. No, No, I mean hey, and I I

1363
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 5: could say I've got three wide receivers in the first round.

1364
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 5: But this guy, he is so competitive. He's aggressive with

1365
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 5: the run after catch. He could break tackles. He's got

1366
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 5: body strength, he's got power. He's a versatile weapon. You

1367
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 5: can use my jet, sweet pop pass, smooth route runner.

1368
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 5: He's a discipline with his cuts, the best routes. He

1369
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 5: runs those ones across the field. He gets a job,

1370
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 5: a great job of catching the ball on the move,

1371
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 5: turning up the field. He makes plays on all levels

1372
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 5: of the defense. He's quick, he's athletic. He gets a

1373
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 5: top speed really quickly. The long arms allows him to

1374
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 5: play much larger than he is. Uh, you know, I

1375
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 5: think that there's you know, there's some some things you're

1376
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 5: gonna have to work on him with the consistency getting

1377
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 5: off the line on the outside, but man, he could

1378
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,919
Speaker 5: track it. There's so many great things about this guy

1379
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 5: that you have to really really appreciate about his game. Uh,

1380
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 5: you know, there's been some drops in his day, but

1381
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what, He's playing a ton of big

1382
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 5: games of his career. He's very driven. He's serious athlete,

1383
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 5: and I mean I think this kid really really gets it.

1384
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 5: Listening to him talk, Yeah, lots of good points across

1385
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 5: the board. Anybody else when anyone wants to bring up

1386
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 5: we got have you guys seen have you seen have

1387
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 5: you seen royals from Utah State? Yeah?

1388
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 7: Somebody asked him.

1389
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 4: He's one I want to just because the right Let's.

1390
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 5: Let circle back on Royals. He's a wide receiver from

1391
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 5: Utah State. Yeah, I'm sure watching. I'll probably talk about

1392
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 5: him sometime nighttime, but we'll talk about him too here

1393
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 5: as well.

1394
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 4: Just two quick names I could throw out. I mean

1395
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 4: I'm super quick. I know I've mentioned Nick Nash out

1396
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 4: of San Jose State. Yeah, he led the nation and

1397
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 4: receptions and receiving yards in twenty two four, six foot,

1398
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 4: three hundred and ninety five pounds. I think he's a

1399
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 4: little slender. He could add some weight, but I think

1400
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 4: he could be an X option. And uh, we don't

1401
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 4: talk about the Hula Bowl a whole lot, but it's

1402
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 4: a it's an all star game. Used to, yeah, used

1403
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 4: to is to watch a lot of table that has

1404
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 4: allowed a lot of guys to pop in recent years.

1405
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 4: Rock Taylor out of Memphis six foot three, two hundred

1406
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 4: and fifteen pounds. He blew everyone away in Orlando at

1407
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:40,959
Speaker 4: the Hula Bowl. So yeah, not Hawaii Orland.

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Speaker 2: And tell you about Rock Taylor from Memphis, from my

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Speaker 2: American dame in the American Athletic Conference.

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Speaker 3: He's fun.

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Speaker 5: I had a good player, yeah, play good football quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Is going to be down in the Senior Bowl. Seth

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00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 3: In Agan late add to the Senior Bowl roster sound

1414
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 3: product dat Ryan. Yeah, absolutely, all right.

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Speaker 2: That does it for us here on the Draft Show.

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Speaker 2: Appreciates you all taking some time and listening with the

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Speaker 2: US this week. We'll be back on Tuesday, eleven am

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Speaker 2: Central Time to break it all down for you.

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Speaker 5: Tommy and I and Nick will be in Mobile. So

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Speaker 5: Zach Wolcheck will host on Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: We've got some exclusive content from Mobile coming your way,

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00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 2: including player interviews. We've got a radio row spot out

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00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 2: there at the convention Center, and I've also talked to

1424
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 2: Dane Brugler already.

1425
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 5: Expect to hear from Dane Brugler while.

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00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 3: We're out there in Mobile.

1427
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Speaker 2: Practices for the Shrine Bowls start on Saturday up in Denton,

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00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 2: then we fly out on Monday to have Tuesday, Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: Thursday as a part of the Senior Bowl before the

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Speaker 2: Shrine Bowl Thursday night.

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Speaker 3: Gonna be a whole lot of fun this next week

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Speaker 3: as we continue to dive in under ninety days away

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00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 3: from the NFL Draft for Nick Harris.

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Speaker 2: Voch, Lombardi, Tommy y Aurish, Brian brought us some Kyle

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Speaker 2: Yeoman saying so long from the Draft show.

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Speaker 3: We will see you on Tuesday.

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Speaker 13: Hey,