1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: I'm Sarah Dowdy and I'm Bling Chuck Reboarding, and today 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna start our podcast off with one of the 5 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: most famous lines in history. Probably heard it in movies, 6 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: TV shows, probably said it yourself. Here it goes Dr Livingstone. 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: I presume yes, that's the line. Maybe you've even played 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: like Stanley and Livingston. I think I think I might 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: have done that when I was a kid. That was 10 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: just my first time doing it, right there, really my debut. 11 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: How about that. We've we've got it on on tape. 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: So that line, originally before it was spoken by Dablina, 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: was spoken by Henry Morton Stanley to Dr David Livingstone 14 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: invent one. And that's when this Welsh turned American newspaperman 15 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: will explain that transformation. A little later found the famous 16 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: Scottish explorer in Africa. They were in this tiny town 17 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: called u g g which is now in Tanzania. And um, 18 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: it's actually just for a little reference. It might actually 19 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: help to pull up a map or something for this podcast, 20 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: but just to give you a little bit of a reference. 21 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 1: That's really near the National Park where Jane Goodall worked. 22 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: But the really interesting thing about this quote that we 23 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: opened up with is that Stanley may have never really 24 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: said it in the first place. Livingston doesn't mention it, 25 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: and the page where it would have been in Stanley's 26 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: journal was actually ripped out. But the two men are 27 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: still forever linked by this by what he said. Yeah. Well, 28 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 1: and that's because finding Livingston alive after six years without 29 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: contact with the outside world made Stanley into a huge 30 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: journalist star, so famous that he was ultimately knighted, and 31 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: being found by Stanley, in turn made Livingston even more 32 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: of a star than he already was. It kind of 33 00:01:55,040 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: created this myth of Livingston as the the saintly missionary too, 34 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: especially when he refuses to leave Africa with Stanley and 35 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: go back home to England. Yeah, you really can't talk 36 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: about one of them without the other. No, So y'all 37 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: are in luck because this is going to be a 38 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: dual biography podcast, which happens once in a blue moon. 39 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: So we'll go ahead and get started with a question. 40 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: How did Dr David Livingstone find himself and Gigi in 41 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: the first place. Well, it was largely because of his 42 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: difficult Scottish upbringing and strict faith. He was born in 43 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: eighteen thirteen and he lived with six siblings in a 44 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: single room tenement, so really cramped space. Meager beginnings, and 45 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: he worked in a cotton mill at the age of ten, 46 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: so so a hard early life. But he's really interested 47 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: in bettering himself and pursuing an education, and in his 48 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: early twenties he became determined to become a missionary, and 49 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: so he started studying away. He worked on Greek and 50 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 1: medicine and theology while he was still working at the 51 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: mill part time, which I find pretty pressive. And by 52 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: eight thirty eight it really paid off and he was 53 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: accepted into the London Missionary Society. And his original intention 54 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: was to go be a missionary in China, but the 55 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: Opium Wars or the First Opium War was going on 56 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: at this time and it wasn't safe for him to 57 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: go to China, so instead he wound up in South Africa. 58 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: And he had a pretty adventurous life, to say the 59 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: least in South Africa. Yes he did. He explored and 60 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: traveled further north from South Africa than any other European 61 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: had before him. He was also mauled by a lion, 62 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: something that stuck with him for the rest of his life. 63 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: He had a crooked elbow and had to sight a 64 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: gun from the left. Yeah, well, I would think even 65 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: if you didn't have a crooked elbow, that would still 66 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: stick with you for a while. From that, he also 67 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: won a gold medal from the British Royal Geographic Society 68 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: after leading an expedition that located Lake Ngami. But his 69 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: real hopes for his time in Africa were Christianity, commerce 70 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: and civilization. At least that's what he said. Yeah, that 71 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: was kind of his his line about what he wanted 72 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: to do while he was in Africa. And of course 73 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: now it seems pretty Victorian, narrow minded and kind of 74 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: silly to think that you, this one man from Scotland 75 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: can bring Christianity, commerce and civilization to an entire continent. 76 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: But what Livingstone was really hoping to do was to 77 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: open up the continent's interior and his his motive for 78 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: that was was admirable. It was to try to create 79 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: a trade route to the Atlantic that would undercut the 80 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: slave trade that was still going on, and it was 81 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: it was pretty bad, and he was very disturbed by 82 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: it and wanted to figure out some way to to 83 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: combat it. Yeah, and if he converted some folks along 84 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: the way, more the better. He that was something else 85 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: that he wanted to do, but it wasn't. Yeah, I 86 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: know very good at that. I'm not very good at 87 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: it at all. And according to Stanley and Livingston biographer 88 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: Tim Chile, Livingston really only made one convert. This is 89 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: truly amazing, and the convert lapsed later, so very unsuccessful 90 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: in that respect. It's kind of amazing too when you 91 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: hear that figure, which I think just emerged in the 92 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, because Livingston does have such a reputation as 93 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: this amazingly successful missionary and explorer. But anyways, even if 94 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: his missionary work didn't prove to be that successful, his 95 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: explorations definitely made him a famous and he was especially 96 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: famous in the eighteen fifties, which is after he explored 97 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: the Zambezi region and named Victoria falls Um there was 98 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: Queen Victoria again like popping up in so many episodes. 99 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: And after he got back to London from that exploration, 100 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: he published Missionary Travels and Researches in South Africa and 101 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: sold seventy thousand copies. And I mean this is he 102 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: was a little bit famous before this, but this made 103 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: him into a super star explorer, somebody who would be 104 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: mobbed on the streets of London. Yeah. But his next 105 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: expedition was much less successful, right, Yeah, Yeah, his wife 106 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: actually died, his crew quarreled, and he was recalled in 107 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty three because not much came out of it. 108 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I think some scientific efforts came out of it, 109 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: but not much besides that. Yeah, I mean, hooks were 110 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: afraid that he'd died if he stayed out there any longer. Yeah, 111 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: So it left him in a really bad spot. He 112 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: was getting older and he was pretty weathered from his 113 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: earlier travels. As you mentioned the lion, lion mauling, the 114 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: lion mauling injuries. Um, we're still hanging around and causing 115 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: him problems, and he needed to in illness. You're right, 116 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: but he also needed cash one last great adventure, so 117 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: maybe one last great adventure would do it, and a 118 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: best seller, maybe out of vent sellers. So that's what 119 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: he's hoping to do. And so in eighteen sixty four, 120 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: Sir Roderick Murchison, who was the head of the Royal 121 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: Geographic Society at the time asked Livingston, who was his 122 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: old buddy too, to go out on that one last, 123 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: one last track and try to find the source of 124 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: the nile. So trying to find the nile was apparently 125 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: an old explorers game, one that had been going on 126 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: for a very long time, perhaps starting with Herodotus in 127 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: four sixty b C. But it had been in the 128 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: news a lot at this time, you know, in the 129 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: past few years, because as recently as eighteen fifty eight, 130 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,679 Speaker 1: the explorer Richard Burton another strange name that doesn't quite 131 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: fit in that time, had challenged his old buddy John 132 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: speak Um, who had claimed that he had found the 133 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: river's head at a lake that he named Victoria. So 134 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: these two old friends were going to have basically a 135 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: an explorer talk off or something, you know, like some 136 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: sort of match. I think it was built as a 137 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: gladiatorial match actually, Um and they were going to debate 138 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: the claims of the Royal Geographic Society. But unfortunately speak 139 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: turned up dead the day before from a self inflicted 140 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: gunshot wound Um perhaps just overcome by the stress of 141 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: this debate. So this was something that was on people's 142 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: minds clearly trying to find the source of the nile. 143 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: It sounds a little old fashioned now, but it was 144 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: a big deal, yeah, and Livingston wasn't one to back 145 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: down from a challenge. He accepted and he left August 146 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: eight and fully expected to come back in two years time. 147 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: But his expedition got off to a bad start right 148 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: from the beginning. As we mentioned, his health was not good. 149 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: He had to take these roundabout ways to get where 150 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: he was trying to go, and he ended up getting 151 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: deserted by some of his followers, who after they deserted him, 152 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: they cooked up the story that he was in fact dead, 153 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: so they were afraid they'd get in trouble, so that 154 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: they just said, oh, Livingston died back on the on 155 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: the trail. So there's this rumor now that he is dead, 156 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: and even though word gets out within a year that 157 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: he actually is still alive. He's really lucky to be 158 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: so because another deserter stole his medical chest. He decided 159 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: to keep going. And I mean, meanwhile, he was pressing 160 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: further and further into the interior of the continent and 161 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: really didn't have any safety nets in place at all. 162 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: So by July eight sixty eight. He was really just 163 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: too weak to go on by himself, so he joins 164 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: up with some Arab traders, which is a moral dilemma 165 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: for him because as we mentioned before, he so opposed 166 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: the slave trade. But they helped keep him alive, and 167 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: they helped him get to Lake Tanganika in February eighteen 168 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: sixty nine. Yeah, and from there he finally makes it 169 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: to Niangue, which is located on the Lualaba River, which 170 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: is today in western Democratic Republic of Congo. And at 171 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: this point it was further west than any European had traveled. 172 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: And just to give you a little idea of how 173 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: isolated it is, it's about one and miles from the 174 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: Atlantic Ocean and about one thousand miles from the Indian Ocean, 175 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: so way way out there. Okay, But there's one little 176 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: catch about hanging out with these slave traders from Persia 177 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: and Arabia and Oman. They know that Livingston is anti 178 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: slavery and that their current work isn't very popular around 179 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: the world, so they are willing to take care of him, 180 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: to give him food and shelter, and to essentially save 181 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: his life. I mean, he would have been out of 182 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: luck out here on his own, but they won't let 183 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: him send any letters home because then everybody will know 184 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: from Famous Livingstone exactly where they are, exactly how far 185 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,599 Speaker 1: in they've gotten to the interior. So that's why Livingston, 186 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: even though he is live and semi well, is lost 187 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: to the world. So in eighteen sixty nine, the young 188 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: journalist Henry Stanley, now we're on his story a little bit, 189 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: he pitches an idea to his editor, James Gordon Bennett Jr. 190 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: Of the New York Herald, and he proposed is that 191 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: he go to Africa, find Livingstone, dead or alive, and 192 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: write about it. Yeah, and it'll be the biggest story 193 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: of the year. So Bennett agrees to this, seeing its merits, 194 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: and Stanley is off on his most famous adventure. But 195 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: he had a pretty wildlife up to that point. He 196 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: was well prepared for future wild time. Yeah. In fact, 197 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: his name isn't even really Henry Stanley. Yeah. He was 198 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: born John Rowlands in eighty one in Wales to Elizabeth Perry, 199 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,239 Speaker 1: who I saw described in different sources as a housemaid 200 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: or in one case, the prostitute, and John Rowlands, who 201 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: was likely the town drunk. So he was raised by 202 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: unwilling relatives, you know, this illegitimate child, and spent some 203 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: time in the workhouse, and it must have been a 204 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: difficult childhood for him. And um, it must have been 205 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: pretty tumultuous moving around. But it might not be quite 206 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: as Dickensian as he made it out to be. Going 207 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: to learn over the course of Stanley's life that he 208 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: is prone to exaggerating things or just outright telling lies. Um, 209 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: the workhouse was probably not quite as brutal, But at 210 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: age fifteen he decided to leave it nevertheless, and he 211 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: hops on board a ship bound for New Orleans and 212 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: ends up taking the name of this cotton merchant named 213 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: Henry Hope Stanley. And this is one of the weirdest 214 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: parts of the story in my opinion, again because of 215 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: later sketchiness from Stanley from the the News Stanley, we're 216 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: not quite sure what their relationship was, because he makes 217 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: it out to be like the elder Stanley, Henry Hope 218 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: Stanley was a father figure, you know, somebody who pretty 219 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: much adopted him and helped him get on his feet. 220 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: And um, he took his name sort of as um 221 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: an homage to him. But he might have not even 222 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: known him or not known him. Well, at least he 223 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: could have been a total stranger, right, Yeah, So this 224 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: newly made Stanley sets out, however, to American eyes himself. 225 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: From this point he picks up an accent. He joins 226 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: a Confederate regiment from Arkansas called the Dixie Grays, and 227 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: he fights at Shiloh. He is then captured imprisoned at 228 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: Fort Douglas and he switches side. So he switches to 229 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: the Union Army. He's given the option to either stay 230 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: in prison or switched to the Union, and you know, 231 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: what the heck because he's a Welshman anyway. So then 232 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: he deserts, however, and he heads back to Wales for 233 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: a little while. Yeah, And it's interesting because he doesn't 234 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: just stay in Wales. I think he's rebuffed by his 235 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: mother again. Um. He comes back to the United States 236 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: and he spent some time gold prospecting out west, and 237 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: then he becomes a journalist and he reports from places 238 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: like Turkey, Iowa, and Ethiopia. I know, Iowa doesn't sound 239 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 1: quite as exotic in that list, but at the time definitely, So, yeah, 240 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: there were good stories to be told out there. Yeah, 241 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: so just this kind of wild roving life. It reminded 242 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: me a little bit of um an earlier podcast we 243 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: did on the Stars of the wild West. They all 244 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: have these lives where they're just all over the world, 245 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: crazy things happening. He certainly seems to attract adventure. Yeah, 246 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: and at this point he's ready for a new one 247 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: and for fame as well, So that's why he approaches 248 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: Bennett with the story to find Livingstone. So he gets 249 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: his assignment. But after just three months in the African interior, 250 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: Stanley is down forty pounds, and he's sick with malaria 251 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: and dysent terry, and he's having trouble with his travel companions. 252 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: His thoroughbred stallion dies almost immediately. One human travel companion 253 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: dies of encephalitis. Another tries to shoot Stanley and then 254 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: dies a little bit later. And on his way to Tabora, 255 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: which was this big Arab trading town in the interior, 256 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: so imagine a place with mansions and um very built up, 257 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: Stanley writes his first dispatch to the newspaper. He hadn't 258 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: really written much along the way, and he explains himself 259 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: in this five thousand word letter saying, essentially, I've been 260 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: using all of my strength to stay alive on the trail. 261 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: I haven't really had time to write. I hope I'll 262 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: be able to write more later if you gentle readers 263 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: will be willing to hear it. But he does give 264 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: um kind of an ultimatum about finding livingstone. He does. 265 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: He says, until I hear more of livingstone or see 266 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: the absent old man face to face, I bid you farewell. 267 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: But wherever he is, be sure I shall not give 268 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: up the chase. If alive, you shall hear what he 269 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: has to say. If dead, I will find him and 270 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: bring his bones to you. I thought that was pretty 271 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: dramatic to not just say bring back his bones, bring 272 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: his bones to you. The reader death the subscriber of 273 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: this New York newspaper pretty wild. So he is hanging 274 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,239 Speaker 1: out into Bora and not hanging out, you know, recovering, 275 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: getting his supplies together. But he's gotten word that a 276 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: white man has been spotted in Ugigi, which is only 277 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: two miles away or so, so that's where he's going 278 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: to head. There are a few roadblocks, like tribal wars 279 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: actually blocking the charted route, so he's got to beat 280 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: this new path through the north and the other issue 281 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: is that he's suffering from cerebral malaria and having visions 282 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: and delusions, and once he recovers from that, miraculously does 283 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: not die from it. He catches smallpox, so pretty sickly himself, 284 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: certainly surprisingly sickly to go out looking for this other man. Yeah, 285 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: so Stanley is not doing so hot. Meanwhile, in Nionggue, 286 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: Livingstone's little rest break thing comes to an end after 287 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: some of the traders massacre villagers. So he's out of paper. 288 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: All this craziness is going on, He's out of ink. 289 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: He's writing on scraps with root dye, but he basically 290 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: has no help, so he flees the situation. But he 291 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: gets sick again as he does that. He has dysentery 292 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: and swollen feet. He heads to Eugigi, about four dred 293 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: five hundred miles away, so quite the hike for someone 294 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: who's very ill, definitely, but he's hoping that when he 295 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: gets to the consulate they'll have sent supplies. But when 296 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: he gets there there's not anything yees, so he is 297 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: out of luck. He's in Eugiji, which is pretty isolated again, 298 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: and his options are essentially to die of starvation and 299 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: sickness or to become a beggar on the streets. So 300 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: he is mulling over this, this terrible fallen fortunes. And 301 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: meanwhile Stanley is pushing through his cerebral malaria and his smallpox. 302 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: And he gets about halfway to Eugigi through the uncharted territory, 303 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: and by November one, eight seventy one, he finally gets 304 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: to the Mala Garassi River, where this is so sad. 305 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: A crocodile eats his donkey. So I'm and his stallion's 306 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: already died? Is that a guy shoot at him and 307 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: now a crocodile eats his donkey? Yeah, I feel like 308 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: he's almost right a country song about this. I think 309 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: you might have to be an alligator. Right. But by 310 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: November ten, he enters Ugig with American flags waving. According 311 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: to Livingston, however, it was actually some time between October, 312 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 1: but somewhere in that month time. I think we can 313 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: forgive them for getting a little off on their count. 314 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but you know, Livingstone sees this American caravan 315 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: entering the city and thinks that this must be some 316 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: really rich traveler, and I wonder what they're doing here, 317 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: And when he sees Stanley all clad in white flannel 318 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: with a hat, you know, I mean, he looks exactly 319 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: how you'd picture a cartoon explorer or something. He thinks 320 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: that Stanley is so proper looking that he must be 321 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: French despite the American flags, and he actually writes something 322 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: later that's that's kind of funny. Essentially, he thinks, I 323 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: can't speak French, and how ridiculous is it going to 324 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: be if we run into each other and we can't communicate. Fortunately, 325 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: though Stanley is this nouveaux American and speaks English, and 326 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: they have their famous conversation Dr Livingstone. I presume yes, 327 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 1: I thank god, doctor, I've been permitted to see you. 328 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: I feel thankful I'm here to welcome you. So coubling 329 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: with emotion. Quite a solemn conversation. Actually, I looked up 330 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: a YouTube video of the old movie, and that's exactly 331 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: how it goes down, except I guess they have different 332 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: reflections on their words. Still pretty pretty low key, though, 333 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: you think they'd be maybe really excited to see each 334 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: other at last, Yeah, especially after everything they had gone 335 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: through to find each other. But regardless, even though their 336 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: first meeting may have been underwhelming, they do become very 337 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: good friends. Stanley deliver supplies to Livingston, and Livingstone takes 338 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: Stanley on some exploring trips around the area. Yeah, they 339 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: go tour the lake and they actually go out exploring 340 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: together for about a month, with Stanley sort of picking 341 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: up tricks from the old explorer. And by the time 342 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: that they're back to E. G G again, Stanley still 343 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: can't persuade Livingston to come back to England. And it's 344 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting. Stanley's original plan was to go 345 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: confirm Livingstone's status alive or dead, and then immediately head 346 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: back to somewhere where he could send off his newspaper report. 347 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: It's interesting that he took the time to stall and 348 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: to try to persuade Livingston to come back with him. 349 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: But Livingstone wants to keep searching for the Nile source. 350 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: I mean, he is obsessed with that goal. And so 351 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: they part ways. Livingstone is helped out by Stanley, you know, 352 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: Stanley gets some supplies and men to go along with him, 353 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: and when they part Livingston tells them, you have done 354 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: what few men could do, and I am grateful. And 355 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: so that's the end of of Bingston. Essentially, he dies 356 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: May one eighteen seventy three, and his heart is buried 357 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: in Africa and his body is mummified and returned to 358 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: England where it's buried in Westminster Abbey. Yeah, and Stanley 359 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: heads out. He gets his scoop on May second, eighteen 360 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: seventy two. The headline reads Livingstone Safe. And like we 361 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: said earlier, I think they run this story for about 362 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 1: a year. They really milk everything they can out of it. 363 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: But that famous quote, we've got to address that because 364 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: it's pretty unclear if Stanley ever even said it. Yeah, 365 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: he swore that he said it. He mentioned it in 366 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: two dispatches, but it's not in his journal. Those pages 367 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: are torn out. So yeah, so it's possible that by 368 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: the time he got back from Africa, the quote, which 369 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: had gone ahead of him, was way too big of 370 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: a deal for him to back out of. In any way, 371 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: we don't know if he said it or not. It's 372 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,239 Speaker 1: a pretty well thought out thing to say it is, 373 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: And even if it remains a mystery, I don't think 374 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: it takes away for the adventure. That just makes a 375 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: good account. Definitely. Um So, Stanley, regardless of whether he 376 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: said the quote, became incredibly famous, and after Livingston died, 377 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: he himself decided to search for the Nile source, sort 378 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: of picking up this this old friend's quest, and his 379 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: accounts really entranced the public. His his accounts of his 380 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: later explorations, but they scandalized the Royal Geographic Society because 381 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: he resorts to violence and brutality with native people. He 382 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: um has, he shoots people, He hangs several of his quarters, 383 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: I think three of them throughout his career for deserting 384 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: and um, that's not something that an explorer is supposed 385 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: to do, I mean clearly, But the Royal Geographic Society 386 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: doesn't think so either. It's it's a different kind of man. 387 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: It's not the explorer who comes and observes and um 388 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: takes something home. However, a lot of people think that 389 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: Stanley may have actually exaggerated this right, I mean a 390 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: lot of the violence and the casualties of his expositions, 391 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: he might have just been sort of inflating them to 392 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: impress his Victorian readers because he wanted to put a 393 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: good story out there, which is also disturbing too that 394 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: Victorian readers wanted as many murders as possible. But he 395 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: was a boaster and it is really hard to tell 396 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: with his life what was fact and what was fiction. 397 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: But his reputation definitely got worse when he assisted King 398 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: Leopold the Second of Belgium in establishing trading posts at 399 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: the Congo River, so essentially opening up Congo all the 400 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: way up to Stanley Falls and um Stanley Falls, of course, 401 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: is a spot that was later called the Interstation by 402 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: Joseph Conrad. If any of you have read Heart of Darkness, 403 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: you know what kind of atrocities occurred in the Belgian Congo. 404 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: It's possibly a subject for a very sad podcast, very 405 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: deeply disturbing podcast of the fish quested before. But just 406 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: this association with King Leopold the Second in the Belgian 407 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: Congo really has forever tainted Stanley's name. I mean, he's 408 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: probably best associated with Livingstone, but this comes in next. 409 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: He was also damaged by his third and last African 410 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: expedition in the late eighteen eighties, and this was due 411 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 1: mainly to the behavior of his rear column. The man 412 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: who was left in charge was killed and most famously 413 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: Whiskey Air James Jamison bought an eleven year old girl, 414 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: sold her to cannibals and watched as she was killed 415 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: and eaten, and he drew it. That was the point 416 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: of it. But he could document the whole thing very 417 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: disturbing and obviously that's even a little too much for 418 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,719 Speaker 1: these Victorian readers who like as much blood and violence 419 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: as possible. And um, when he comes back to England, 420 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: he goes through a career change. Essentially, he gets married, 421 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: he adopted a son, and he was re naturalized as 422 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: a British citizen and goes on to become an MP 423 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: of all things. Um, he has a country state. I mean, 424 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: it's just this such a strange life, you know, going 425 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: from a workhouse to Africa to a country estate. But 426 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess that's Henry Stanley for you. Yeah, 427 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: very strange ending to kind of a bizarre, adventurous life. Yeah, definitely. 428 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: So I mean that's our dual biography. One guy ends 429 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: up in a country estate, one guy ends up with 430 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: his heart buried in Africa and his mummified body in 431 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: Westminster Abbey. Say, that's a pretty pretty exciting end for 432 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: for both of them. So I guess that about wraps 433 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: up our dual biography of Stanley and Livingstone, and it 434 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: brings us to listener mail. So this email is from 435 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: any in Kentucky and she wrote, Dear Sarah and Dablina, 436 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: I just finished listening to your podcast on the life 437 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: of the bad boy Caravaggio. My ba there and I 438 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: went to Italy last summer and we caught the Caravaggio exhibit. Well, 439 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: it was at the Efisi. You're right. The lighting is 440 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: very dramatic. The rooms are quite dark, and when you 441 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: combine that with the content of his work, it was 442 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: an eerie experience. I actually had to drag my brother 443 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: kicking and screaming to the museum, as he is not 444 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: the art history enthusiast that I am. But once he 445 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: was there and saw the exhibit, he was hooked and 446 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: bought a few books on Caravaggio at the gift shop. 447 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,959 Speaker 1: While his enthusiasm for history and art was high from 448 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: the Effeci, I made him walk around Florence so we 449 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: see the baptistry doors and explained about the contest between 450 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: among others, to Partee and Drew Lefp. So I thought 451 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 1: that was an interesting story. Always great to hear he 452 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: becomes an art history fan. Just the little mood lighting 453 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: might be all a take. Yeah, and getting to see 454 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: it in person. 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