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Speaker 2: Now ahead of this fantastic show. You're looking live and

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Speaker 2: direct into the office of Washington, DC. Nice jazz hands.

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Speaker 2: That is Luke Thomas and Luke. Unfortunately, you were diagnosed

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Speaker 2: with chlamydia over the weekend, so we're gonna have to

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Speaker 2: do this remotely. But I'm so happy to talk to

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Speaker 2: you from distance. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I don't have the clap. My daughter has no school

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Speaker 2: Oh Okay, I thought you just in my day, we

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Speaker 1: You can do that. I mean that's a little negligent.

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Speaker 1: I could have done that. I'm gonna move the screen

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, give her a matchbook and yeah, she'll be fine.

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Speaker 2: She'll be fine. But no, happy to see you.

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Speaker 1: Year old one supervised. I'm sure the house will be fine.

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Speaker 2: There you go. Very happy to connect with you, Luke.

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Speaker 2: I found this throwback hoodie in the closet.

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Speaker 1: You like this? You know what?

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Speaker 1: My favorite part about that hoodie is is that like

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, you may have been the only CBS

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. We have a pretty damn decent

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Speaker 2: show for you today, recapping all things UFC Edmonton, looking

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Speaker 2: ahead a few weeks from now to some big events

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Speaker 2: on the combat calendar. We'll look back at the box

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Speaker 2: dms from donks maybe closed with a little she at

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Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not talking about sheite, Luke, sh I

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Speaker 1: That's what There's two different kinds of Muslims. Ones are

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Speaker 2: They were talking about. I knew it was a reference

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Speaker 2: What's going on, Luke?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my wife bought me these Celsius which are pretty good.

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Speaker 1: You know, intrepid producer Matt s loves these, isn't that right?

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, are you gonna are you gonna

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Speaker 4: How we doing today?

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Speaker 2: Good? Good? You all all? Are you all fired up?

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Speaker 2: After that Blanche Field? Not my Unics tilt from.

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Speaker 4: I was on Rose and that was clearly too two

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Speaker 4: But yeah, this weekend's card not much better not gonna lie.

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Speaker 2: Remember that time Mikey caught a dick pic. I feel bad.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know how you felt about this. We've

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Speaker 2: where I saw a rejuvenated bouncer, happier Moreno. What specifically

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know if we're saying something too disimilar.

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Speaker 1: very simple game. It's a very effective game when it works,

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Speaker 2: It was he was sturdy. Though he was sturdy, he

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Speaker 1: I just challenged the idea that that guy who was

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Speaker 2: He's all the way back on a different form. I mean,

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Speaker 5: All about tonight. I was on fire tonight. I wasn't

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Speaker 5: doing whatever. But tonight, again everything was connected. Every piece

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Speaker 2: Look, he was flowing in the confidence, the happiness, the

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Speaker 2: But into that's why I liked it. Okay, it was

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to be like, one of us has

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Speaker 1: I believe this is right. Didn't he say he doesn't

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Speaker 5: Next?

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Speaker 1: I thought?

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Speaker 2: When I asked him who he wants next to you,

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Speaker 1: I think, see, do we have that long island Luke?

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Speaker 2: We have sound of him from the press conference afterwards,

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Speaker 5: I will love to fight for the title, for the

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Speaker 3: Do you think given the performance tonight, your name value,

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Speaker 3: Kayasta Kara.

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Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know, man, I mean hopefully

436
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Speaker 5: I have. I want to be honest with myself. I

437
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Speaker 5: think maybe I have to find one more time before

438
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Speaker 5: the title.

439
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Speaker 2: But I don't know.

440
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Speaker 5: I don't know what is the GUC thinking right now.

441
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 5: Maybe they get so impressed with the performance tonight and say, hey,

442
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Speaker 5: maybe he can get the title next. But I mean,

443
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Speaker 5: I know Roybal is there, Kai Kara Franz is there

444
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Speaker 5: trying to get their opportunity for.

445
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Speaker 2: The title next. So I don't know. I'll be ready

446
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Speaker 2: for whatever.

447
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Speaker 5: I'll be ready for whatever I can get some brammages

448
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 5: with with Roybal. I don't want to find with Kaya

449
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,119
Speaker 5: again because I him twice and I beat him. But

450
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Speaker 5: if I have to do that, but I mean, uh,

451
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Speaker 5: touto titles there. Let's see what happened in the fight

452
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 5: against a Pantoia. But he'll if he'll lose, like he

453
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Speaker 5: can be the next one.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

455
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Speaker 5: Let's see what happened.

456
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 2: Look, he said ready to fight for the tonight. So

457
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Speaker 2: he took your straw man arguments. He stuffed him in

458
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Speaker 2: a locker.

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Speaker 1: He also just said he would he probably has to

460
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Speaker 1: fight one more time against somebody else than before the title,

461
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Speaker 1: so I know.

462
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Speaker 2: But I think he's being really realistic to the title picture.

463
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Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, Luke, what should be

464
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Speaker 2: UFC's handling of the title picture moving forward? Obviously that

465
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Speaker 2: could be dictated by whether Kayastakura, in his UFC debut,

466
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Speaker 2: takes the title from Pantosia. But you got rey Val

467
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Speaker 2: at number one coming off of a very solid win

468
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Speaker 2: against Tatsuya Taira. You've got KKF in position again. It

469
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Speaker 2: seems to strike to go for the title. Is does

470
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Speaker 2: Moreno's name and importance to the brand still have enough

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Speaker 2: value where he could be fighting the winner of this

472
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Speaker 2: fight after three ten.

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Speaker 1: I definitely think so. I definitely think so. Again, this

474
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Speaker 1: was restorative because he was to the point that he's raising,

475
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Speaker 1: like you know, distance was on point, shot selection was

476
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Speaker 1: on point, take down the fence, lights out basically only

477
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 1: almost not quite but almost perfect about as perfect as

478
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Speaker 1: you need it to be anyway, right, So all those

479
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Speaker 1: things were really really great. You have to kind of

480
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Speaker 1: figure out obviously, it's hard to know what the UFC

481
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Speaker 1: wants or who they think is owed something. And you know,

482
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Speaker 1: do they want to go back to Australia if they

483
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Speaker 1: does that favor KKF, do they not? Do they plan

484
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Speaker 1: to go to Mexico? If they do, does that favorite

485
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Speaker 1: Brandon Moreno. So there's all these other like calendar and

486
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Speaker 1: then geographic location arguments that are hard to understand because

487
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Speaker 1: we're not in the UFC's war room that will impact

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Speaker 1: who gets the NOD. But here's what I would say.

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Speaker 1: I think if Pantoja wins, they don't give it right

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Speaker 1: away to Moreno. They might have him fight Rouval again

491
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Speaker 1: and they'll probably give KKF a title shot. I think

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Speaker 1: that's the least possible, they may give Roival a title

493
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Speaker 1: shot and then have Brandon fight KKF. I'm just pointing

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Speaker 1: out if Pantojo wins again, I think that Moreno might

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Speaker 1: have one more However, however, my gut tells me that

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Speaker 1: if assacorro wins and does it in Asacora fashion, which

497
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Speaker 1: is like you know, brutal tko, they might just push

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Speaker 1: Moreno to the front of the line. Because that I mean,

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Speaker 1: any of those fights against if it's Asacora kka, if

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Speaker 1: it's Assacora Reyval, like, none of those fights are bad.

501
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Speaker 1: But Moreno Asacora is like I think, I don't know

502
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Speaker 1: how you feel, BC, but I feel like that is

503
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Speaker 1: the best fight. Yes, is it a worthy title fight

504
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 1: to make, of course, but like, what is the best

505
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 1: permutation you could put together to get the best kind

506
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Speaker 1: of action. You could do Moreno and Pantojia again, But

507
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Speaker 1: if he loses an Assacorro wins, I feel like Moreno

508
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Speaker 1: Asacora is like dynamite, a dynamite awesome matchup.

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Speaker 2: It is dynamite. But that's why it's so dependent upon

510
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 2: that fight at three ten, Because I have to ask

511
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Speaker 2: you this, if we're being fair and I don't just

512
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Speaker 2: bring this up because you know I love me the

513
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 2: raw dog Brandon Royval. But as much as we're saying

514
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Speaker 2: here that Royvall is a chance as the number one

515
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Speaker 2: contender to be on an island, why because he lost

516
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Speaker 2: twice somewhat recently, including their rematch for the title to Pantoja.

517
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 2: I do want to remind you, Luke, that Moreno has

518
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 2: three losses to Pantosa, not just to if you count

519
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: that exhibition in tough So is that fair?

520
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:15,719
Speaker 1: Now?

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00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 2: The UFC might just do it? For everything you said,

522
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 2: Moreno is the closest thing I fly. We have to

523
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: a star depending on where that fight is Southern California, Mexico,

524
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: Moreno would make a ton of sense. But to be

525
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: fair in meritocracy, for whatever that's worth in modern UFC,

526
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Speaker 2: isn't that just say an f you to Roivolf. We're

527
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Speaker 2: trying to throw Moreno in their fourth time with Pantojo.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Roival's case is strong. It's really strong. Obviously,

529
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Speaker 1: losing to Pantoja is not great. But in terms of

530
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Speaker 1: what he's done to rebound, in terms of what he's

531
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Speaker 1: done to stay busy and relevant and good and like

532
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: you know, asking him, Hey, prove it at this next

533
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Speaker 1: juncture what you can show us, and then doing that

534
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Speaker 1: basically against the best the division has to offer, or

535
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: it's it's him. You can't complain if Reyvale is next

536
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: for either Asacorah, I guess, or even the thing is

537
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Speaker 1: is if Pantoja wins, I wonder if they go KKF

538
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Speaker 1: just because it's a fresh matchup. But short of that,

539
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, you've got Reyvale at the front of the line,

540
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,959
Speaker 1: and it's difficult to be a guy who's I mean,

541
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Speaker 1: you know, both guys in Moreno and Royvale to have

542
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: lost to a guy before in certain cases multiple times

543
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Speaker 1: and then try to get another title shot. So KKF

544
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 1: is kind of sitting in the cat bird seat here

545
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: a little bit as well. But it's again, it's really

546
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Speaker 1: really I just feel like if the UFC like that

547
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: this is a division they almost cut right, they bled

548
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Speaker 1: it dry, it kind of revived itself. It's still to me,

549
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: not fully all the way back in certain ways, but

550
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Speaker 1: I just don't see them looking the other way. If

551
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: Asakora comes out looking like he did in riz In

552
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: against Pantoja, They're just gonna be like, oh, we'll just

553
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: give the guy who really does des it the most.

554
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: You couldn't go wrong with that. I just have a

555
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: suspicion that they won't do that.

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Speaker 2: No, I think what you're saying makes a ton of sense,

557
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 2: and I think you're right on. I think KKF is

558
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 2: next for the winner of the three ten fight, no

559
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 2: matter what, because it's a fresh matchup, because KKF has

560
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 2: c KB oceanic connections, and we've never seen him break

561
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: through and have that big title victory yet we've only

562
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: seen him what in that interim about against Mareno, in

563
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 2: which he was winning and then until he lost it.

564
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 2: So I just think that makes the most sense. And

565
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Speaker 2: the answer to our questions about two guys with at

566
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Speaker 2: least two defeats each to the current champion, I think

567
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 2: the answer is answered, or that question is answered by

568
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 2: them going into the cage against one another. Luke, it

569
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Speaker 2: seems pretty clear to me that the fight to make

570
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Speaker 2: really for Brandon Moreno is the trilogy with Roy Vall

571
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Speaker 2: talk me off that Lige, why both have a win?

572
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 2: They both don't They both have a win? Yeah? No, yeah,

573
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: they both have a win. That's it's a trilogy for

574
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Speaker 2: the and the winner gets the next title shot after

575
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Speaker 2: that potential.

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Speaker 1: That's not a bad idea territory for you, that's not

577
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Speaker 1: a bad idea. That's not a bad idea. Yeah, yes,

578
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: you know, but you make a good point. Actually, yes,

579
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: you can absolutely do that. That would not be a

580
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: bad solution to Again, depending on how things go, that

581
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: would be a reasonable solution to the situation.

582
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: Yes, what do you like though, Brandon Marino in this

583
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: safe sywooed era of his career, because remember he went

584
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 2: to get betting advice in Kansas City till that training

585
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 2: relationship was shut down? Are you liking who now that

586
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: you've seen this mature performance and like he said, he

587
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 2: showed all the weapons to take down defense everything. Is

588
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 2: this the best way to get hit to get him

589
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: to maximize what's left? And how much do you think

590
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 2: is left? Given that he's been in some wars and

591
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: this is a division that doesn't isn't always kind to aging?

592
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: Well, see this is what I mean. It's like, was

593
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: he restrained against Albasi strategically by his own choice given

594
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: the circumstances or has he has? Has the game pulled

595
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: a piece from him and now he's just not the

596
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: same anymore, And so it's really hard to tell, because again,

597
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Speaker 1: this is a great performance. I mean, he'd beat a

598
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: quality guy in a very high quality way. I hope

599
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: people really understand him, not in anyway bag into performance,

600
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to tease out what's happened there, given

601
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,239
Speaker 1: that there's a little bit of a step missing. If

602
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: it's intentional, as we said before, it's one thing, but

603
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: you're you're talking about safe Soode. I have all the

604
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: confidence in the world, and safe Soad I really do.

605
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: I mean that doesn't mean he'll win the title. That's

606
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: really not my point because again, if the Wars took

607
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: something out of him, I don't know who. It matters

608
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: who you go to. You can't necessarily get all of

609
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: that back. It's really really difficult. But this was a

610
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: really strong performance. And the reason why I say that

611
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: is while to me it wasn't and he's all the

612
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: way back performance, it was so fundamentally sound that it's

613
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: something you can really build off of if the fundamentals

614
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: begin to drop out right, and again he got he

615
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: has weird punching mechanics. I don't mean that per se,

616
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: but I mean like all the pieces of his game

617
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: blended well. He looked in control. He never got overconfident,

618
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: he never made he didn't make any bad choices. Is

619
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Speaker 1: really the point I'm trying to make here. He made

620
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: a lot of good decisions from minute one to minute

621
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Speaker 1: twenty five. You know, safe Oude is a guy who

622
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: can bring you to that position. You have to be

623
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: talented enough and you have to work hard enough on

624
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: your own to get there, but under his tutelage, he

625
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: can get you there. So I have all the I

626
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: have full faith and confidence that that relationship can get

627
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: Brandon as far as Brandon can go. The question is, BC,

628
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: is how far is that was he strategically restrained or

629
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: as you know, dude, the fight game, you watch it

630
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: long enough, it just it absolutely tears these guys into

631
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: lesser versions of themselves. And you just can't lose sight

632
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: of that. Even when somebody comes back like Moreno and

633
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: looks overall pretty damn good, it.

634
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: Did seem like Moreno was also the star of Edmonton,

635
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 2: meaning he brought all the Mexican population in that area

636
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: to the forefront, and they really treated them like a

637
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: star when that fight started and in round one they're like,

638
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 2: let's go Brandon. I'm like, wait, Trump rally here, Luke,

639
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 2: what's going on? But a final question related to Moreno

640
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: Luke is this and I had a couple dongs slide

641
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: into my dms to bring it up, and they wanted

642
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: me to post it, you know, bring it up on

643
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: the show. I don't know if I agree with it, though,

644
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,959
Speaker 2: they're saying, look, if this is kind of a new

645
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: Moreno here starting the second half of his career, what

646
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: about a consideration of moving up to one thirty five,

647
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: where he'll have the speed and in some cases maybe

648
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: the boxing advantage. I just think he's so close to

649
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: being back to the title at one twenty five, and

650
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: he seems to be a more mature version of himself.

651
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: I want to see that. Let that ride, Let that

652
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: dice ride before you need to go up.

653
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: There, right, I'll say this, I would be very surprised,

654
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: very surprised if we arrive at January one, twenty twenty six.

655
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: Just make it jan six. Let's keep the joke. Oh okay,

656
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: why arbitrary?

657
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, if it's the anniversary of jan six, I

658
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: would be very not this coming one, but the following

659
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: after that. I would be very surprised at Pantoja's champion

660
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: I would be very surprised it's gonna get taken from him.

661
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's going to be Asakora or

662
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: KKF or Moreno himself. I don't know. But if I'm Moreno,

663
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: you would want to go to another weight class, if

664
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: you're really out of options and you're at a stage

665
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: in your career where it would make some physical sense.

666
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: You can get some fresh matchups and your best chance

667
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: of winning a title is somewhere else. So think about

668
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: it for Figy. Now, Figgy was older, and we weren't

669
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: sure how things were gonna go for him at a banthway.

670
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: In fact that I was initially skeptical. But what we

671
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: found was his power carries to one thirty five. Obviously,

672
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: his ground game and his scrambling is phenomenal. His striking

673
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: is very very good. He's got great speed, he doesn't

674
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: have to drain himself as he gets older, and it's

675
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: all these fresh matchups and lo and behold, he's turned

676
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: himself into a either number one contender or quasi number

677
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: one contender. Brandon Moreno doesn't really seem to be facing

678
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: those circumstances, at least not many of them. He still

679
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: looks to me like he could get another title shot

680
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: in this weight class. And it looks to me like

681
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: gets a little premature to say this, but it doesn't

682
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: seem crazy to think he could wear gold in this

683
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: division again. So a few things have to play out

684
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: ahead of him, and he has to kind of be

685
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: patient maybe and pick the right fights. But I don't

686
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: think the I don't think moving to Bansamway, maybe he

687
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: could go with a title THEREBC, But does he really

688
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: need to go do that?

689
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: I know, because almost a historic level of killer. I know,

690
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: I don't call it historically deep anymore, that it's kind

691
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: of figuring itself out, but it's crazy deep one twenty five.

692
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: I know it's a lot of rematches for him, but

693
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: he's already proven he can beat a lot of these guys.

694
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: Let's see what the mature Moreno can do. But Long Island, Luke,

695
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: I did want to get a clarification here. I know

696
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: your bon air for fighters typically extends down into because

697
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: of your data. That's why Robert Whitaker is your favorite fighter.

698
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: Does KKF bring the same level of movement to the

699
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: UH to that area?

700
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 4: My pants aren't moving there. He doesn't bring the same

701
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,479
Speaker 4: level of excitement. But I am a KKF fan.

702
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: So what what's the Aus Zealand divide? Automatically brothers because

703
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: we're from the same side of the world.

704
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 4: It's a lot like the American Canadian divide.

705
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't.

706
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I mean, listen, I don't know

707
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: nearly enough to answer this confidently, but I just don't

708
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: feel like the American Canadian relationship is the same as

709
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: the AUSSI Kiwi relationship. They seem much closer together than

710
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: we do to Canadian I'm a.

711
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: Fan of the Paquettes, to be fair.

712
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 4: I think it's just because, like, if you're not from

713
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 4: the US or Canada, you probably associate them together, just

714
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 4: like we associate the other side of the world. We

715
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 4: associate Oceania together. But in reality they're two different countries

716
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 4: and they kind of hate each other.

717
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: All right, Well, well interesting, interesting, I want.

718
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: I want I'll tell you what, hold on, let me

719
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: do this. Hey, if you're Aussie or Kiwi, tell us

720
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: if that's the same as the American Canadian relationship. Morning combat. Yeah.

721
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: By the way, by the way, I want a dead

722
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: wrong Long Island luke on this. I definitely want to

723
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: say he's wrong, but I don't know if.

724
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: He's inter fighting Luke on Luke Crime Long Island, Luke

725
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: a year from now, Flyway, who's the champion.

726
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 4: I don't agree with Luke. I'm gonna say it's Pantosia still.

727
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: I just, oh my god, dude, how much more damage

728
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: can that man take it?

729
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: I thought you're wrong about that.

730
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 4: I hate the clog at the top five between roy

731
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 4: vaal Marino and Pantosia, but so it would be nice

732
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 4: if us curl one. But I do think Pantosia is

733
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 4: just he only needs what two title defenses to make

734
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 4: it to Jan sixth, twenty twenty six.

735
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: I mean he'll make it. See, yeah, he's older. He's

736
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 1: taking an enormous amount of punishment now. That one caveat

737
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: to that that I'll admit is he could get like

738
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: one more title defense and then get injured, in which

739
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: case he wouldn't have had to defend it enough for

740
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: this theory to prove true. But I think if he

741
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: fights two more times, someone's gonna take it from him.

742
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: This division's wild. And uh, you mentioned the clog. I

743
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: think that's why Luke's not allowed to shit in that

744
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: bathroom next to the studio of that shot?

745
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: Which is it? Which is illegal? What shitter? Are you

746
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: not allowed to take a shit in? That's illegal?

747
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. One day we'll tell the real

748
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: story on our Patreon of why that you can't shoot

749
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: in that in that closet. Let's keep it going to

750
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: topic number two. And that was the five round co

751
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 2: main event on Saturday's UFC Edmonton card and another key

752
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: flyweight bout with title implications only on the women's side.

753
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 2: Aaron Blanchfield and Rose nama Unis ultimately did go the

754
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: five full rounds, but it was a tale of two

755
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 2: cities or fights the first half, the first two rounds

756
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: being all Rose nama Unis, and it seemed on all

757
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: three judges scorecards the last three all went the way

758
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 2: of Aaron Blanchfield. So luke Aaron earns the decision coming

759
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: straight off of that loss to Mono ferrou and their

760
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: number one contender fight. But did she really impress meaning

761
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 2: Blanchefield in your eyes in the process, because if you

762
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: see her face in the cage when they read the decision,

763
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: it almost seemed like she was prepping for a defeat.

764
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I really can't wait to hear what you

765
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: have to say about this one. But okay, it was

766
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: impressive in one sense, although one very important sense. She

767
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 1: got tuned up in the first two rounds, no question

768
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: in my mind, like just no question in my mind.

769
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: And the game plan in round one was puzzling.

770
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: It didn't seem to be one yes. And by the way,

771
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: like there was a couple of times that Rose. Was

772
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: it round four where she went for the takedown and

773
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: then it got whifted, or maybe it was round three

774
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: where she went for the takedown, couldn't get it, and

775
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: then Aaron was able to push her up against the

776
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: cage and then get the take down herself and then

777
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: basically take the round. It was like there was some

778
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: puzzling decisions from Rose along the way. But I want

779
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: to be clear, she was down to nothing heading into

780
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: the third, all right. So the fact that she was

781
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: able to kind of like center her game, focus on

782
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: the part that was still good enough for her and

783
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: rescue herself on a route to a decision win, I

784
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: think a deserving one. I know, some folks thing round

785
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: four was a swing round went back and I watched

786
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: a couple more times.

787
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 6: It's really not Yeah, I mean it's close, But okay,

788
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 6: I think that showed some real moxy, and that showed

789
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 6: some real belief and discipline, and you need those things

790
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 6: if you want to beat.

791
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: World class fighters. So in that particular sense, I did

792
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 1: think that part of it was impressive, But the overall

793
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: development of her game is now a little red flagish

794
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: to me. You know, when she's going in there and

795
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: busting the doors down and then getting the takedown easy

796
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: and then subbing out or whatever she was doing early

797
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: in her UFC run, I was like, wow, I mean,

798
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: she's really way ahead of these people, and then she

799
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: moved to the front of the division and you're like, okay,

800
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: she's not nearly as far ahead as I thought she

801
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: might be. Contrast that with Elliot's aporia, where I thought

802
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: he was way ahead of those guys. Then he moves

803
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: to the front of the division, and then he beats

804
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 1: all those guys too, and you're like, okay, right, he

805
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: is ahead of those guys. Aaron Blanchfield is not in

806
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: that position. Both former MK hammer of the Months, by

807
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: the way, our Hammers of the Month, I should say,

808
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 1: But the one I want to make was her game

809
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: is still a little bit simplistic, which is okay, you

810
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: don't want to have a super complicated game plan. What

811
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: I'm saying is the amount of weapons and adjustments that

812
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: she has to go to are fairly limited, and that

813
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: really hurt her, and it took her a while to

814
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: come around, Like people were asking, like, why was this

815
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: a five round fight? If it wasn't she loses this one,

816
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: easy walking away, no problem. She loses this one, and

817
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: I almost kind of wish. I think it'd be an wish,

818
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: but I think it'd be better for her development if

819
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: she had lost in terms of the change. It would

820
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: force to bring her game along. She is in a

821
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: similar situation BC. We talked about al Bossi in the

822
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: main event. If he can't get the takedown, I don't

823
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: know how much is there with the striking to get

824
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: the job done. She did better in this fight than

825
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: Albosi did when the takedown wasn't there. Not in the

826
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,479
Speaker 1: first two rounds, but in other parts of the third,

827
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: and fourth and fifth, although I think the fifth she

828
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: had like four minutes of control time, but certainly in

829
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: the third and the fourth and the fourth, for example,

830
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: I think numerically she had fifteen more strikes. She was

831
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: doing a better defensive job in round four to avoid

832
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: being hit. But the point I'm trying to make is

833
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: she rushed to the front of this division because the

834
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: skill set that she had was enough to enable her

835
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: to do that. But now she reminds me one of

836
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: these like quarterbacks who played for like a top SEC

837
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: school and they never played under center. They're just playing

838
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: from the shotgun and they just wing it and then

839
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: it goes and then they get to the NFL and

840
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, the speed of this game is new,

841
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: and I don't quite get it as easily that it

842
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: felt like that to me, where there's like a lot

843
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: of development that has to happen before. I mean, did

844
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: you see anything here that told you she would do

845
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: better against Fierro. I simply did not see that. I mean,

846
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: we'll see how things go against Chefchenko if she ever

847
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: gets a fight that way. I know she didn't call

848
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: her out. We'll talk about that in a minute, But like,

849
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: I didn't see anything there that would tell me that

850
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: that would necessarily go her way either. Schefchenko a master

851
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: of distance, a master of timing, really good at keeping

852
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: you at the end of her punches and whatnot. So

853
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: there were flashes and core elements of a game that

854
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: you absolutely have to have if you want to be

855
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: elite fighters. And obviously BC she's very good. But if

856
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: I have a concern, it's the development of her game

857
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: has lagged behind her speed with which she's moved up

858
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: the contendership ladder, really and now there's a bit of

859
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: a gap, and that is causing me some concess.

860
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: She's not even though this win featured some growth in

861
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: some of those categories, including striking. I mean she went

862
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: in there around four without takedowns and outstruck Rose. Now

863
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 2: I do think that played more into the negatives. I'm

864
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 2: gonna speak in a second about roses performance, but it

865
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: shows you that she's improving and evolving. But you're damn right.

866
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 2: If she's gonna evolve her striking at this speed, she's

867
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 2: never gonna make it against the true elites. In my opinion,

868
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: shif Chenko and Grosso will tune her up on the feet.

869
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: To use a Luke Thomas phrase, it's going to be

870
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 2: completely dependent then on her taking people to the ground

871
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 2: and trying to physically dominate them. Only it's going to

872
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: be even harder against those two names. I just mentioned

873
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 2: because of how skilled and battle tested they are. So

874
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 2: how did she do? I think you nailed it. She

875
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 2: did well in some key categories, like, Luke, if I'm

876
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: looking at her as a stock and she's still so young,

877
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 2: twenty five years old, in terms of like, is she

878
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: showing you that the foundation is there for her to

879
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 2: one day be not just a champion, but maybe even

880
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 2: like a successful dominant champion. I still think it is

881
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: because the reason why she won this fight was, to

882
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: use the word you did. Moxie was a key part

883
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: of it, but so was Elite Championship Cardio. To keep

884
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 2: pushing that pace and just out, you know, just wear

885
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: Rose out as we catch. Luke, I mean, give it

886
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 2: to us, just give give the people what they want.

887
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: I mean, you're the you know that's very Peter North

888
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: of you in a lot of ways, Luke. You know

889
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 2: I feel that spirit, you know what I mean?

890
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to I'm ejaculating a lake of what's

891
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: happening here.

892
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, just coming right out of your mouth. So, Luke,

893
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is like the motor, the adjustments, the poise,

894
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 2: even even in that Farro fight when she was getting

895
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 2: dominated and almost outclassed. There's still was that that poise

896
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna figure this out. I'm gonna keep running

897
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 2: full speed and try so. Yes, it's a credit to

898
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 2: her that she got the job done here and that

899
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 2: she got the win that she advanced. And I think

900
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: Daniel Cormier was right in the interview afterwards saying, this

901
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 2: is the biggest win of your career, the best win

902
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,959
Speaker 2: of your career. Now she's had wins against quality people

903
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 2: where it was one sided, where she got to play

904
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: that a note, and she can dominate playing that. But Luke,

905
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: I have those same concerns against that upper tier because

906
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: even though this division is not as bad as it

907
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: used to be, you still wouldn't call it deep from

908
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: an elite sense. That Elite Corps is still at the

909
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: top of this division and they're still super elite. The

910
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: questions coming in were, really, is Rose still of that ilk?

911
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: Is she actually rising? Does she have a title shot

912
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: in her future? Can she, you know, turn this around

913
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 2: and make a two division champion run here in a

914
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 2: new division. We got those answers pretty firmly, Luke in

915
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 2: They're a no. And as much as I need to

916
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: credit Aaron Blanchefield for why we learn those answers. I

917
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: do think, Luke, a lot of the reason that wrote

918
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: that Aaron was allowed to make that run in the

919
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 2: second half were the things that I didn't like about

920
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 2: Rose's game, her performance, and to be very fair, her

921
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: standing in general in terms of which direction of her

922
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 2: career she's going. I'm gonna be the biggest you know,

923
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: Rose super fan. Then I always hold that responsibility. If

924
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: you're going to super fan somebody, you have to be

925
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: their harshest critic at the same time, and Luke, I

926
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: see diminished returns from here on out. I had those

927
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: questions of who Rose really is at one twenty five,

928
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: and I think we learned more about who she is,

929
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 2: and I don't like it, and I don't think I

930
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: don't you know, I don't think she gets back to

931
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 2: this point again. I think we may have seen the

932
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 2: best and last of her at this level. That's harsh

933
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: coming out of here, but Luke for her over three

934
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 2: rounds to be unable to make an adjustment, including in

935
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: that fourth round where it was kept on the feet,

936
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 2: to be able to figure out how to outclass somebody

937
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 2: who still to a large degree has has some you know,

938
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: basic level striking out there. That was a huge red

939
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: flag to me. Rose wasn't busy enough, and I think

940
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: once she got taken down in round three, she was

941
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 2: a watered down version of herself. The rest of the way.

942
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: That's not going to cut it. You can be, you

943
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: can be, you know, a litmus test in the division

944
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 2: with that ability, and she'll still beat a lot of

945
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: people in this division. But if she couldn't win on

946
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 2: Saturday under those conditions, in that circumstance, and again not

947
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 2: taking anything away from Aaron, she pushed that pace to

948
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: make Rose have to be in this spot where we

949
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: kind of saw her almost break. But Luke, tell me

950
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: if I'm being too emotional here, I saw former champion Rose,

951
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: who when she's at her best, She's right. She is

952
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: one of the best of this era and even in

953
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: women's history. That spark's gone, and I don't know if

954
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 2: I don't think it's coming back anymore.

955
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: It was weird, dude. She was cruising in the first

956
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: two rounds and then like tagging Blanchfield over and over

957
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: with right hands, and I was like, oh, man, I

958
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: totally undersold her. Jesus, she looks great. And then it

959
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 1: just kind of fell apart. This was my read BC.

960
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: I wonder if you think I'm wanted something here or not.

961
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: First two rounds again, she was flowing. She could. I

962
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: mean again, Blanchfield's entries, they left a lot to be desired.

963
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: Her exits she got now she did better, as I

964
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: mentioned it, particularly round four, just not being there to

965
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: be hit enough. But what I really noticed was in

966
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: the fourth round, for example, Rose was going back to

967
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: the same weapons over and over again, the same combinations

968
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 1: over and over again, or at least pretty similar ones anyway,

969
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: and there wasn't enough adjustment from her, and so it's like, Okay,

970
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: Blanchfield was getting pieced up and that was going bad.

971
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: But then she made a switch and it wasn't just

972
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 1: the takedowns. Again. Some of the defensive awareness I thought

973
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: was pretty good from her as well. Rose didn't. She

974
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: just kind of kept It seemed like I'd have to

975
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: go back and look closer to tail, but it seemed

976
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: like she just kind of kept doing what she was

977
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: doing in the first two rounds and then hoping it

978
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 1: would work. She didn't have another gear. So here's my point.

979
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm not in any way challenging that one twenty five

980
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: is not an ideal weight class for her because like

981
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: with the amount she was landing and like how clean

982
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: she was landing on Blanchfield, it was having an effect,

983
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: but it wasn't having like a hardcore effect. And I

984
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: wonder if it won fifteen, it would land with a

985
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: little bit more authority. But I also don't necessarily think

986
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: if she goes to one fifteen, like oh, that solves

987
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 1: the problem. There seemed to me to be like an

988
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: in fight adjustment issue, and I'm not sure where it

989
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: derives from me.

990
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 2: I stuff that we really don't like about that asparsa

991
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 2: rematch luke, like we don't necessarily know what that's rooted

992
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 2: in or necessarily why that happened. Outside of there is

993
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 2: a pattern in Rose's career, and Pat always talks about

994
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: Pat Berry or her husband and coach, about how every

995
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 2: fourth fight, I think it is like it gets a

996
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: little wonky. She'll take a bad loss, or she'll have like,

997
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: you know, a really off night. But even though it

998
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: wasn't the same circumstances that aspar as a second fight,

999
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: and again that round three where Rose was being taken

1000
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: down by Blanchefield and just sat on that took a

1001
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 2: lot out of her. But Rose at one fifteen isn't

1002
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 2: in those moments and doesn't have that physical response. So, Luke,

1003
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: I saw some of what I didn't like about the

1004
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: unexplained nature of that asparsa rematch in this fight, did

1005
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 2: you get that same feeling like where it's just like

1006
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: the old Rose makes that adjustment And maybe it's harder

1007
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: because it's that one twenty five and she was in

1008
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 2: there against a physically strong flyweight, but Rose is also

1009
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: pretty big in this division when she bulkes up too.

1010
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: And for as much as she was dominating in those

1011
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: first two rounds and she was, though Blanchie was kind

1012
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: of run into a lot of that. I just I

1013
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: don't I don't see that Rose of old that with

1014
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: that fly with that threat of the finish like she

1015
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: held that flywight or at strawweight, which allowed her to

1016
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 2: win that title twice and allowed her to have these reinventions.

1017
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 2: It's it's not here now, Luke, and it's and I

1018
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: think she's Yeah, I think if she wants to stay

1019
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 2: on in this division, she's above average, but she's slightly

1020
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: above average, and she's closer to average in this division

1021
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: than she is to the direction that Aaron's heading, and

1022
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: I don't even know if Aaron's fully ready for that direction,

1023
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: and we should probably have that chat now. But if

1024
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 2: Rose didn't fight again, I would understand that's that's crazy

1025
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,479
Speaker 2: to say she's had a two fight win stream.

1026
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: Wow.

1027
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: But there's a disconnecting there and I hate to see it.

1028
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen some folks speculating that it's a coaching issue.

1029
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: I mean, that's it. There are a lot of people

1030
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: who have issues with Pat Barry, and in particular we

1031
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 1: should just sort of say the relationship between Pat Barry

1032
00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: and Rose, yes, and they're using that as like some

1033
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: basis of criticism of his ability to coach her. I'm

1034
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: not here to comment on per se the the nature

1035
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: of the relationship, other than to say, I don't know

1036
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: if that therefore equals he does a bad job coaching.

1037
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 1: I think the situation could be a little bit more complex.

1038
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: It seems a little bit more internal two Rose. What

1039
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: is happening from what I can tell. But again, she's

1040
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: still got ability, and I think particularly in these three

1041
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: round fights, you know, I think she could beat a

1042
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: lot of really good fighters in this weight class, but

1043
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: her inability to adjust down the stretch, and it wasn't

1044
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: exactly lifeless as much as it was robotic right rehearsed

1045
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: in a sense. That was the part to me that

1046
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: was like, huh, Like there's a there's something missing in

1047
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: the code here that is not quite translating. And I

1048
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: saw again everyone's like, oh, well, just go to one fifteen.

1049
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's she gonna do against a physical one

1050
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: to fifteen? Or who's in her face? Three? Round three,

1051
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: round four, four, round five? Is she going to have

1052
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: the same kind of limiting situation? I really wonder about that,

1053
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: I really do.

1054
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 2: I fully agree with you, and maybe maybe there's another

1055
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: sparking Rose, because to be fair, her whole career has

1056
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 2: been this roller coaster of wild ups and downs and

1057
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 2: it's dramatic and inspirational when she puts it back together

1058
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 2: and she's done that a few times, but this is

1059
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: not going to cut it, and I felt, I mean, look,

1060
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 2: to be fair, the real Rose takes round four and

1061
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 2: maybe this fight still goes a distance, but she gets

1062
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: the win. Dude, she gets it done, you know what

1063
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 2: I mean?

1064
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: Like, dude, this was a person who won an Invicta

1065
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: with flying triangles or flying.

1066
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 2: Where was the kicking in this fight? I mean, maybe

1067
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: she just lost it in round three and that was

1068
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 2: it right the way the kicken would hang on.

1069
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: But some of the kicking is justified. But once once

1070
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: are some of the lack of kicking, I should say

1071
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,959
Speaker 1: is justified, especially because if you're worried about Blanchfield getting

1072
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: the takedown in particular, it's justified. So again, she had

1073
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: like a key weapon kind of somewhat holstered as a consequence.

1074
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: But to me, it was like, you're going for the

1075
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: same It was the same. I think it was. It

1076
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: was like a left straight right hook she was going for,

1077
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: or maybe it was a left hook right trap. I

1078
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: had to go back and look at the tape, but

1079
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: I remember she kept looking for the right hand over

1080
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: the top of the right hand over the top, and

1081
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: Blanchfield had moved out of the way from it multiple times,

1082
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: and she kind of kept throwing it and it put

1083
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: her out a position and then she would get body locked,

1084
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: and then you know, the whole problem would then go

1085
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: to what it was going to. And I'm like, she

1086
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: used to be able to make that adjustment or change

1087
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: it up or something, and that part, to me felt

1088
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: weird to watch. I guess that's what I'm trying to

1089
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: point out.

1090
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like she gets hit too much

1091
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: at Flyway, And maybe that's just the reality of moving

1092
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: up and weight in the division. But that elusiveness, that speed,

1093
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 2: that being ahead of the game at every turn like

1094
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 2: she was when she was on top of Strawweight, that

1095
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 2: advantage is not there anymore. So it's tough to see.

1096
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: But we'll see if she can go back to the

1097
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: drawing board one more time. I mean, I'd love a

1098
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: Trevor Whitman reunion. Let's just do it one more time

1099
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: like the Beatles did with Abbey Road. Enough of the fighting,

1100
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 2: Let's bring back George Martin and let's do it the

1101
00:50:58,800 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: way we used to do it.

1102
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't quite put her on par with the Beatles,

1103
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: but I certainly think that Trevor Whitey ringo all.

1104
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: Right, all right, I'm a big Patberry fan.

1105
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: By the way, octopuses garden Octopus's Garden underrated, Beatles hit

1106
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: under Yeah.

1107
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: The guitar playing and that is absolutely tremendous. And I

1108
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: actually used to lump that in the Yellow Submarine category

1109
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 2: incorrectly and say it was garbage. No Octopus's Garden. That

1110
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 2: the tune, the orchestration is brilliant. There you go. Look,

1111
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 2: there are times that we meet. We don't have to

1112
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: always meet in a you know, abortion rock inside a

1113
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 2: uh inside a you know, Porter John.

1114
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: You know I had to miss the show. I had

1115
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: to miss the show because my dog was dying, but

1116
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 1: and also because it was Halloween and Tuki, my wife

1117
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: had to take two trick treating because I was in

1118
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: the e r with my dog. But Dying Fetus played

1119
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: in DC on Halloween and I had to miss it.

1120
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: Can you believe that? Wow, I'm very sad about your

1121
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: soul that.

1122
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 2: You were saved from that. By the way, I did

1123
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: not get a shingle trick or treater. I mean, I said,

1124
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 2: but who's who's gonna I mention people just knocking on

1125
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: the door, like I'm here for the trick? You turn tricks?

1126
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: What do we do here? Lady? Hey, let me ask

1127
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: you a question. What is an appropriate amount? Assuming you

1128
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: have a lot of kids in the neighborhood, I'll put

1129
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: it that way, And you don't want to be a

1130
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: jerk off, right, So I'm not gonna go out and

1131
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: buy I'm not gonna go by king size candy bars,

1132
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: but I want to make sure that I do. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1133
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: Roy Rogers, Roy Rogers.

1134
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: I think you shouldrry that tradition on.

1135
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,959
Speaker 1: By the way, Uh, what's an appropriate amount to spend

1136
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: on Halloween candy for your neighborhood?

1137
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean you do, you always want

1138
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 2: to have enough? Problem is then it lingers, then you

1139
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 2: eat it all yourself. But what is I mean those

1140
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 2: those Halloween size bags are really expensive, like the large bags.

1141
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 2: It can be like twelve bucks, yeah, but maybe what

1142
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 2: like thirty five bucks?

1143
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: Forty bucks? That's crazy. So my wife spent one hundred

1144
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: and twenty dollars on Halloween candy ready for this, it

1145
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: was gone and it was gone in ninety minutes, ninety minutes.

1146
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 2: How much do you give out per kid? Because I

1147
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 2: was asking my wife and I had that same debate

1148
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 2: of like, if it's the mini sizes, She's like, oh,

1149
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: I'll give like four or five. I'm like, I don't know,

1150
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 2: you know, oh, And I'm being like greedy in my

1151
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: mind because I want to eat it all. But in reality,

1152
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 2: what do you think three per kid is fine?

1153
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? Two or three per kid of what we usually

1154
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: go for two or three per kid. I got some.

1155
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 2: I got ag one travel packs left over that have

1156
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 2: been rude for me.

1157
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: Just here's a here's a coupon to what a burger,

1158
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: as well as a condom and ag one have fun.

1159
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 2: Good Thank you, Thank you, mister Thomas Robert Thomas Luke.

1160
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 2: We have one more piece of art here from Aaron Blanchefield,

1161
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 2: and it's explaining at the post fight press conference her

1162
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 2: call out, which I do think was a good one.

1163
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 2: But the question is is she actually ready? But here's

1164
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,439
Speaker 2: Aaron talking about Alexa Grosso.

1165
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 3: And he called out Alexa Grosso, which I thought was perfect.

1166
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 3: How likely do you think it is that you know

1167
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 3: she would take that fight with you right now?

1168
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: I think she already said something about taking that She

1169
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: would love to take that fight, So I think it's

1170
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: going to happen.

1171
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think, you know, in terms of

1172
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 3: a game plan and approach that fight, how do you

1173
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 3: think it would unfold?

1174
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean she's another great boxer, just like Roses,

1175
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: so I could see it being similar.

1176
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like they might be going to Mexico

1177
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 3: in February. Would you be to do that fight at

1178
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 3: that elevation and all that in Mexico City.

1179
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: I don't know about Mexico. I'll see, Luke.

1180
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: Here's the key question. I already showed my cards earlier.

1181
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 2: Is she ready for the Grosco showdown? And can she

1182
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 2: win if things don't.

1183
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: Go perfectly for Well, here's the thing, right, I mean,

1184
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 1: we keep talking about this, like, you know, we're sitting

1185
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: here being like, oh, her performance was good but not

1186
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: great and blah blah blah. But the Grosco call out

1187
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: is actually really interesting because Grosso former champion in this division.

1188
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 1: Obviously we just fought at UFC or no ja UFC

1189
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: her wrestling. Holy Jesus, I just.

1190
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 2: That's how Valentina won the bill back right to be fair, I.

1191
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: Just can't overstate how disappointed I was in Grosso's takedown defense.

1192
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: I mean, just it was. It was mind blowingly bad.

1193
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: You know, Blanchefield, if she's got one thing, it's the

1194
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: ability to strike her way into the clinch or into

1195
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: a takedown, and she's got pretty dang good top control. Like,

1196
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: that's a very winnable fight for Blanchefield. So I like

1197
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: that she wasn't asking for a title shot. I'll say

1198
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: that is good and again Grosso offer back certainly on

1199
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,240
Speaker 1: some level presents a threat on the feet, a huge threat.

1200
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: But I you know, Blanchefield. I would favor Blanchfield to

1201
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: win that one. I mean, Grosso's takedown defense has just

1202
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: like it's not gotten better, it's somehow gotten worse, and yeah,

1203
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: it was a problem.

1204
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 2: Dude, is there can Aaron do this quickly? Can she

1205
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 2: improve her striking? Like, can she make a huge leap

1206
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 2: coming into the next fight, because she's showing us that

1207
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 2: she has a championship chin too. I believe like she

1208
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: has a willingness to go through the war. And again

1209
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 2: I praise her for making the adjustments against Rose and

1210
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 2: figuring out how to win that fight. That's not stuff

1211
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 2: that you can teach either. So can she fix the

1212
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 2: striking quick enough to where this isn't a question?

1213
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: I don't think.

1214
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 2: So maybe get her Tarverdi and get some head movement

1215
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 2: in there, Luke.

1216
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: I definitely. I mean the reality with Blanchefield is she's

1217
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: still so young that honestly, like this is what I mean,

1218
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: She's like zoom to the front of the line, where

1219
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: now like these are the relevant fights for her. Grosso

1220
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: is a relevant fight, a relevant fight she could win, right, Like,

1221
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 1: legitimately you could even see her favorite to win, and

1222
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: you can if she out wrestled her for three or

1223
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 1: even five rounds, would you be surprised? Of course you wouldn't.

1224
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: But her development, while maybe even appropriate for her age,

1225
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: is still not exactly where it needs to be to

1226
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: have the kind of skill set that can give the

1227
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: really true, true top top contenders or a champion or

1228
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: a number one contender a genuine threat. Like it falls

1229
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: dramatically short there. So it's like, you know, I feel

1230
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: kind of bad because it sounds like I'm not giving

1231
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: a young person who is legitimately skilled enough credit. But

1232
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: what I'm really trying to say is her the skill

1233
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: set that she had was good enough to just breeze

1234
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: past so many fighters in the division. It now puts

1235
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: her in a spot where it could actually limit her

1236
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: ability to get better quickly because she has to rely

1237
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: on the core weapons, because she doesn't have the ability

1238
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: to really, like you know, lean into the skill set

1239
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 1: slowly over time, which she would actually need. And usually

1240
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: people aren't good enough that they race past the rest

1241
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: of the contendership queu so quickly and they actually get

1242
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: that time to develop. So I don't know, man, it's

1243
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: a weird position she's in. She's obviously good, she's skilled,

1244
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: she's gonna beat good fighters. I wonder about her development

1245
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: long term based on the weirdness of how everything plays

1246
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: out at one twenty.

1247
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just get in that boxing gym. Let's get

1248
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 2: after it, right, let's figure this out. Reasons all right?

1249
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 2: Uh luke Thomas quickly on the rest of the card.

1250
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 2: The Derek Lewis headline is interesting. He was pulled after

1251
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 2: weighing in I believe, but before the ceremonial way, and

1252
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: he was pulled for non weight related medical issues. And

1253
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: I don't think we ever got an answer in terms

1254
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 2: of like what really happened and how serious is it?

1255
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: What do we make of this?

1256
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 2: At thirty nine, which you know, he's still east viable,

1257
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 2: but he's at the end, he's at the he's the

1258
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: tail end here.

1259
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: I thought it was funny that he said he got

1260
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: a great deal from UFC because of Francis, which I

1261
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's amazing, right, of course you get

1262
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: higher wages when there's competition. But then he was like, yeah,

1263
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: they're trying to space me out so they don't have

1264
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: to pay me as much. I was like, you know,

1265
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: two steps forward, one step back, unbelievable. But he has

1266
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: had notorious back issues, right, I mean, his back has

1267
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: been a real big problem for him. I hope that's

1268
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: not back, but it's that would be my first guess

1269
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: we did, You're right. They even asked if they asked

1270
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: the gentleman, I forget his name, who essentially is in

1271
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: charge of North American affairs or Canadian did Shaw? David Shaw?

1272
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: And he did decline to elaborate, other than to say

1273
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't a weight cut to your point at weight

1274
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: cut issue. But there's been no further elaboration. I guess

1275
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: we're just gonna have to wait and see.

1276
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:55,959
Speaker 2: I asked him how much he he wait he cuts

1277
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 2: when I interviewed him last week, and he said to

1278
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 2: make two sixty five he cuts thirty pounds.

1279
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: Am, he's up at three bills, but he told me.

1280
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 2: I believe him. I believe him too. Uh, Luke, did

1281
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 2: did anything jump out at you at this? Edminton car

1282
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 2: I thought the card kind of ended up sucking in

1283
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 2: terms of the performance of it, But uh, I don't

1284
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 2: like Mike Malott didn't blow me away with that three

1285
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 2: round win over Trevor Giles after the Neil Magne loss.

1286
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 2: In fact, I was wondering if he was on his

1287
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 2: way to losing that at certain points. What'd you take away.

1288
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: From Yeah, he looked not at all great. Got the

1289
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: job done against Trevin Giles, but he looked lifeless the

1290
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: whole time. I mean, I haven't said it like the

1291
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: way he collapsed against Neil Magne. It just seemed like

1292
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: a real bad sign. And then this fight back this,

1293
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: it almost sounds like what I'm saying about Brandon Moreno

1294
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: better applies to Mike Mallott. Brandon Morena performed even better

1295
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: than this, even though it was a get back fight.

1296
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: This was just a get back fight for Mike Malott

1297
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: and nothing else. Like, there was nothing else to it

1298
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: than that. It was just about getting the dub and

1299
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: then moving forward. There wasn't a whole lot to it.

1300
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: I would say there was a couple of of these

1301
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: and it all happened back to back to back. Yusuf

1302
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: Zilal over Jack short Dude us Off Zilal looks like

1303
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: the real deal holy Field. He looks absolutely awesome.

1304
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 2: Uh.

1305
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: In his last few fights, he looked great. Jack Shorw

1306
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: is a tough competitor, and he looked fantastic against him.

1307
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: Charles jor Dan at one thirty five. Dude, no one

1308
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: has I think subbed out Victor Henry before, and he

1309
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: did it in this fight with a nasty guillotine which

1310
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: he can find in all kinds of interesting ways and

1311
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: new titles.

1312
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 2: All to be fair, he showed off those new tats.

1313
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: Well, right, you get it, and they're good, They're very,

1314
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: very good. And then I'm in the hobby over Pedro

1315
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: Muno's I thought, I'm in the hobby as you want

1316
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: to talk about a guy whose development has slowly but

1317
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: but but very matter of factly come along. I'm in

1318
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: the hobby. He years old. I'm not saying he's gonna

1319
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: make a run for a title. I don't know if

1320
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: that's in the cards.

1321
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 2: Sentence.

1322
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but all I ever asked from a guy, and

1323
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: against bantamway it's a tough division, But all you ever

1324
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: ask from a guy is just give me your best ring,

1325
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: the sponge dry of any water, show me exactly what

1326
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: you have, and sham wow, sham wow. He has absolutely

1327
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: worked on his craft and he has become a very

1328
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: formidable fighter. I really really really respect that. And obviously

1329
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: the Dustin Stultz fous knockout over Mark Andre Berrio was vicious,

1330
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: but he was standing there just slugging it out like

1331
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: that's what's gonna happen, you know. Uh, so.

1332
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 2: Foraz's kid, there's what thirty five? Now, so is Jasmine

1333
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 2: or brother? I'm sorry, so is Jasmine Jazz Divissius who

1334
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 2: had result wise, you know, a stoppage win over Ariando Silva,

1335
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 2: But I don't know. There were also some moments in

1336
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 2: there where I felt like she could have taken quicker advantage.

1337
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 2: She's thirty five, but this is a third straight win.

1338
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 2: Is a time for her to fight legitimate contenders at

1339
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 2: one twenty five to find out where she's at?

1340
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. I mean it uh better matchmaking

1341
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: for her up a little bit. I think it's going

1342
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: to show us exactly what is really possible here. Also,

1343
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: we shouldn't know a.

1344
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 2: Top game though, Luke, she has some some dominant top Yeah.

1345
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: No, she's very talented. She's very talented. There's no question

1346
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: that dark she set up was real slick. But Cody

1347
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: Gibson versus Chad and I had the fight on mutes.

1348
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: So I don't know how to pronounce his last name

1349
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:13,439
Speaker 1: chad an hot Helliger, and I'm saying that wrong. Please

1350
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: forgive me. Cody Gibson. Yeah, Cody Gibson used the knees

1351
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: to a previously two hands down down opponent hit him

1352
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: with the knee and then his opponent took a knee

1353
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: and then he he stopped. So it was perfectly legal.

1354
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: But first time in the ten point must system unified

1355
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: rules we've seen someone hit that knee in a legal way.

1356
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: So Cody Gibson gets a nice win, and he used

1357
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: it or partly used the newer rules to get there.

1358
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: Some shots to him.

1359
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 4: Cody also got the first twelve to six elbows legally

1360
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 4: to cause a cut. Apparently that's what they told thembout.

1361
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: Oh nice, yeah, look at that in the whole bit.

1362
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, take that, mad hammel What I wanted to ask you, no, Cito,

1363
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 2: was weren't you telling me when we were saying, hey,

1364
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 2: you know, the card had some moments, but I don't know,

1365
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 2: it didn't really win me over in the end. Where

1366
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 2: are you saying that the Derek Lewis replacement was two

1367
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 2: oh and two guys making their UFC debuts.

1368
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: What that happened.

1369
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 4: No, that wasn't the replacement. But uh, Kyle Machado vs.

1370
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 4: Breadston Hebero was on the main card and they were

1371
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 4: both oh and two in the UFC, So yeah, you

1372
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 4: know just how good our cards are recently.

1373
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 2: They weren't trying to They were trying to sell name

1374
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 2: value alone to those Edminton people. But I know, Adam,

1375
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 2: the Marino fight didn't suck. It looked like on paper

1376
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 2: it had the chance to be something. But Luke, you

1377
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 2: didn't feel it. You weren't feeling it right, No, Thomas, No, No,

1378
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 2: all right, maybe next week's Carlos Prattish Neil Magni tilt

1379
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 2: and send you that's over the moon.

1380
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: I hope everyone understands that's the main event.

1381
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 2: That's the main event, Tody Garbratt and the Comaine, Luke,

1382
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 2: but it's not you know, it's not twenty fifteen though,

1383
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:44,959
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

1384
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: I was thinking about it since I was watching the

1385
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: preliminary card live. Tuki was asleep, so I was like, oh,

1386
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: I got time to watch this, you know. So I

1387
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: watched the prelim card and I want to be clear,

1388
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: like you had Cody Gibson on there you had used

1389
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: of Zowal. I think it was prelim card, but whatever,

1390
01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean. You know, I was watching some of the

1391
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: earlier fights before the bigger stars got started. I'm like,

1392
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: and these are good fighters on here. And I'm not

1393
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: saying that the preliminary card of the UFC is identical

1394
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: to like the main card of LFA. But what I

1395
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: am gonna say is the distance between them is mostly negligible.

1396
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: The one big difference, yeah, well, the one big difference

1397
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: would be you'll get guys who have already graduated to

1398
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: the UFC level and then usually gotten a few wins

1399
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 1: along the way, so they're slightly better, certainly more experienced

1400
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: at a higher level, but the actual difference in fighter

1401
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: quality between them is mostly negligible. And I don't you know,

1402
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: I just want to tell folks like it did not

1403
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 1: used to be that way. Like that is that's a

1404
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: that's a that's the way that the business works now,

1405
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: and I on some level you have to understand that.

1406
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: But to be clear, the distance between a UFC preliminary

1407
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 1: card and a high level regional card there used to

1408
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: be a much greater significant gap, and that gap has

1409
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: narrowed almost to the point of being invisible. Not quite

1410
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: that it is.

1411
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 2: As much as that's a shocking statement, it's so close

1412
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 2: to being probably right that I don't even want to

1413
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 2: entertain it. But it probably is right, Luke. How sloppy

1414
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 2: are we are? We close? I was to asking Long Island, Luk,

1415
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 2: this shouldn't we just do gar Brandt versus h Dila

1416
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 2: Shaw three? At this point I'd be way more into

1417
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 2: that then another kind of comeback fight here against Miles John.

1418
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 2: As you know is Cody's still with it.

1419
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if Dila Shaw can come back. He's

1420
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: had multiple, multiple shoulder surgeries.

1421
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 2: It's just Jack though, do you see him?

1422
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 1: He's like huge, Like can that do even make a

1423
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: thirty five? I don't even know at this point.

1424
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 2: Let's just do open way. Yeah, if you can show up.

1425
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: That night, you can fight out put it in Japan

1426
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: they don't have a commission for this stuff, Like, yeah,

1427
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 1: you could do it that way, but otherwise I don't know.

1428
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 2: All right, that'll wrap up topic number two.

1429
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: There.

1430
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 2: Let's go topic number three and let's talk about a

1431
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 2: guy we love in these parts, Max Holloway, the Living Legend,

1432
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 2: the Hawaiian Punch himself over there. He's blessed indeed, but

1433
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 2: his future after this knockout loss to Taporia has a

1434
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 2: little bit more definition, meaning it seems Max's done at

1435
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 2: one forty five, is going to make the full time

1436
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 2: move the lightweight. You put out a video that we

1437
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 2: can show you now explaining and the.

1438
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: Big question right now is.

1439
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 7: Was at your last fight at one forty five? You

1440
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 7: guys kind of saw me touch upon and in the

1441
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 7: press conference, and I can honestly say I think I'm

1442
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 7: done with with one forty five. Yeah, boy, is like

1443
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 7: I said, we're running getting older. I've done thirty three.

1444
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 7: This cut was you know, no excuse, this cup was easy, bro,

1445
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 7: you know shouted to time. I meant to shry out

1446
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 7: to my wife. They helped me make this cut really easy.

1447
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 7: But it takes a toll cutting weight period and whatever

1448
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 7: way you are, Like I said, I had to give

1449
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 7: up b all Mean for my forty five camps, So

1450
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 7: I'm done with that. I don't ever want to give

1451
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 7: up all Mean again. One fifty five herey comment one

1452
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 7: fifty five is where I want to stay. This is

1453
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 7: a new chapter.

1454
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 1: This is where we start.

1455
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 7: This is where we begin, and I'm super excited for it.

1456
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 7: I cannot wait.

1457
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 2: You know, Like I said, never say.

1458
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 7: Never, but I can honestly look at you guys in

1459
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 7: the eyes and tell you, guys, I'm probably not ever

1460
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 7: going back to forty five.

1461
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: I loved what I did.

1462
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 2: I did what I did.

1463
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 7: You know, I did what I had to.

1464
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 2: Do there, Luke Rahman, for days in that guy's future.

1465
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 2: I think we all agree, and you can tell me

1466
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong that it is the right move. It's

1467
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 2: understandable based on everything he said. But I want to

1468
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 2: I want to ask you a serious question here, Luke.

1469
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 2: Let's not discount what this guy's made of. Is it

1470
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 2: possible that this guy makes a run to the title

1471
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 2: pic show, like literally the title fight at one fifty five?

1472
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 2: What are your expectations here for Max?

1473
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: I don't think it's out of the question at all.

1474
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: It's difficult. I mean, getting a title shot at one

1475
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 1: fifty five is not easy. But I think he can

1476
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 1: do it. I you know it's tough. I mean, I

1477
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,919
Speaker 1: you know, you're how easy is it to leave forty

1478
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: five and go to fifty five and get a title shot?

1479
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 1: Not that simple, right, I mean, this is a very

1480
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: difficult process, but I don't think I'll say this. I

1481
01:07:56,320 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: really agree with this from Max. There was never a

1482
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: doubt in my mind about him being able to make

1483
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: the forty five weightcut, even though he remember he went

1484
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: from one to forty five, then fifty five at UFC

1485
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 1: three hundred, and then back to forty five, and I

1486
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: thought that might present some unique challenges. Fight didn't really

1487
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: go long enough for that ever to be present, but

1488
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: I knew he was gonna make the weight cut. There

1489
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 1: was He's you know, there's just no denying Max's like

1490
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 1: the professionals professional so that he can do it is

1491
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: really not at issue. The question is what is good

1492
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:32,600
Speaker 1: for him? And you know, I haven't talked to I

1493
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: have talked previously to Max's old manager, and I'm sure

1494
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: they've kept many of the same methods. But he told

1495
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: me a long time ago that like they they look

1496
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: at all of Max's blood markers and everything when he

1497
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: is cutting weight, like his testosterone levels and anything you

1498
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:51,719
Speaker 1: can imagine, and those cuts to forty five are brutal

1499
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: on him. He can do it because he's just made

1500
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,560
Speaker 1: of steel and he's as mentally tough as anybody in

1501
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 1: the history of MMA. But they they come at a cost,

1502
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 1: and the older he's getting, and now, like the title

1503
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 1: picture of being essentially sealed off from him, it just

1504
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: made all the sense in the world to go to

1505
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: fifty five and something else we've been kind of discussing

1506
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: up to this point was on top of that punching

1507
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: power he's been working on and he's been putting on

1508
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: natural muscle, and then to perform as well as he

1509
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: did against Justin Gatgee. Again, there are some ways to

1510
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 1: look at that and say that that's a bit of

1511
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: a favorable matchup. How would he do against let's say,

1512
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:27,679
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you Shamrot, who's going to be wrestling

1513
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 1: the whole time? I think Max's takedown defense is pretty great,

1514
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 1: but it's something you'd have to see to really get

1515
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: a better understanding of. But like throw out a couple

1516
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: other names, how would Max do against Dustin Poartier this

1517
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: time around? Max might do really effing well. I know,

1518
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:42,799
Speaker 1: I know he's lost twice, but it's a new ballgame

1519
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: and I really believe that Max could perform very ably

1520
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 1: against him. How about Dan Hooker? How would he do

1521
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: against Dan Hooker? I think he would probably beat Dan Hooker,

1522
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 1: to be perfectly, and the first time they fought at

1523
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 1: forty five that was a very different OLIVERA. And sure,

1524
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,719
Speaker 1: I certainly take Oliver to be better now, but Oliver's

1525
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 1: also had some struggles too, so like they're kind of

1526
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 1: getting to a place now where like the matchups actually

1527
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: in a certain way make more sense at fifty five

1528
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: than they do it forty five. Your question was about

1529
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 1: could he get to a title That's a very tough

1530
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 1: thing to do. I wouldn't preclude it, but I just

1531
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 1: think from a health standpoint, from a from a star

1532
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 1: making standpoint, or at least star preservation standpoint, fun fight standpoint,

1533
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 1: BMF title defense standpoint, fifty five makes so much more

1534
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 1: sense for him. I am glad he's doing this, and

1535
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: he should eat all the fen Ramen in the world

1536
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 1: on his way to getting which I think he can win.

1537
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 2: Okay, everything you said, but I'm gonna add on and

1538
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna even take it further. I think he does

1539
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,680
Speaker 2: get to a title shot because I think the matchmaking

1540
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 2: that's gonna be provided for him will help that. And

1541
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 2: I'm not against it. And you kind of tease that

1542
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, like, look, what could be

1543
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 2: the matchups for him, well, if you're thinking from a

1544
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 2: pay per view sense, and Max without a title is

1545
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 2: still a pay per view star in my opinion, in

1546
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 2: a guy you can match up with a lot of people.

1547
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 2: I mean, what if his next fight was Chandler, you

1548
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 2: know what I mean. There is a group, like you said, Luke,

1549
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 2: of the aging core of all action guys, and he

1550
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:07,560
Speaker 2: already proved that against Gaig Chee, and I think he

1551
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 2: could swim with those guys and get big wins. I

1552
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 2: don't think he's gonna have to go through the up

1553
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 2: and comers, the wrestlers, the hammers to get there. I mean,

1554
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 2: look at recent history. When stars move divisions, they get

1555
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 2: title shots quickly. Josie Aldo got one of Bannam Wait

1556
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 2: coming off of a loss in the division. Kenny Florian

1557
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 2: on day one moving down got to fight Jose Aldo

1558
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 2: there like it. Just it happens regularly that he may

1559
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 2: get more of an older guy, fun action fight in

1560
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,919
Speaker 2: one that I think at his age, even with the mileage,

1561
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 2: I think this reinvention, his body will be healthier at

1562
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 2: this weight and he's gonna have that quickness in that

1563
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 2: boxing advantage, and we know he's got a legendary chin

1564
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 2: even though you know you are nervous about that idea

1565
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 2: of going up in weight, going up to a typical

1566
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 2: all action division at the elite level, like all hammers,

1567
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 2: you're gonna be inn a war no matter what. But

1568
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 2: I think he can survive in a lot of these wars. Look,

1569
01:11:57,920 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 2: he's not gonna have to beat the type of guys

1570
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 2: that we would be nervis against. He might. I think

1571
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 2: it's gonna take two wins, but I think it's gonna

1572
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 2: be of the variety of the big name fighters, and

1573
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 2: he can get plugged in any time. And we shouldn't

1574
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 2: be surprised about this.

1575
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm looking at the top ten here.

1576
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 2: I don't think a forty Poorier did that. He just

1577
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 2: juggled wins and losses and he gets title shots off that.

1578
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 1: So Islam is obviously you champion. And he's got a

1579
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: date with sar Yuki. We'll see when that happens. Oliver,

1580
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 1: we've already discussed his number two. That's a rematch. You

1581
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: could make that one fun as hell. Just engage. We've

1582
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 1: already been down that road for is Poorier. Five obviously.

1583
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 1: Max Holloway is currently ranked at five but if you

1584
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 1: wanted to go six Dan Hooker, Michael Chandler, I don't

1585
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be looking for that, although we'll see

1586
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 1: how he does against Charles O Lavera, so we'll see.

1587
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: But and then it's got Dariush Gamrot and Physiv. You

1588
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 1: could do those two, but just look at the other

1589
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 1: ones we just mentioned. All of those are awesome, all

1590
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: of those are competitive. All of those are you would

1591
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 1: think winnable in either direction. You could do BMF title

1592
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 1: for them or not, depending how the USC wants to

1593
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 1: play it. I don't know how that's gonna go. But

1594
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 1: yes one fifty five Max I wasn't sure he should

1595
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: go back down and fight to Portia, but it was

1596
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 1: too tempting not to, because you know how many chances

1597
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna get to be in another title fight. You

1598
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 1: gotta kind of take those when they come. But now

1599
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 1: he can kind of take I think more appropriate fights.

1600
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 1: All of these are gonna be bangers, all of these

1601
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: are gonna be on big cards, all of these are

1602
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: gonna be in fights where he's not gonna be as

1603
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 1: depleted as he once was. I just feel like at

1604
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 1: this stage of his career, you asked previously about like, hey,

1605
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:21,600
Speaker 1: does Marino need to go to one thirty five and

1606
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 1: the conditions didn't quite line up. Here again, they line

1607
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: up a senior fighter who will get a benefit by

1608
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 1: going up a weight class, in this case with Figgie,

1609
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 1: we didn't know how it's gonna go one thirty five.

1610
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: We already have seen Max Holloway fifty five, and by

1611
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 1: the way, Holloway haven't gone to fifty five previously, but

1612
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: you know, just cut less weight. And then this last

1613
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 1: time at three hundred, he went up to the fifty

1614
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 1: five in a real way to like bring his body there.

1615
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 1: So now he's got like the trial and the error

1616
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: part already out of the equation. I just think it

1617
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 1: makes all the sense in the world. Max is a

1618
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 1: smart fighter, He's got a smart team around him. This

1619
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 1: can only be a good thing. It doesn't mean he's

1620
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 1: gonna win all his fights, because it's a tough division,

1621
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 1: but he's gonna win some big one and I can't

1622
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 1: wait to see how he does.

1623
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 2: Hey, Luke, I'm overthinking of it. He's probably one win

1624
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 2: away from a title shot. Think about it. You won't

1625
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 2: hold that Taporia fight against his one fifty five chances.

1626
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 2: He's coming off a win that looks great against where

1627
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 2: Geechee was standing. Wise, coming into that fight, you go

1628
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 2: in there and fight either just for example, Porier Chandler

1629
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 2: Connor Alavera, and you get one win there, you're next

1630
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 2: for the title. I mean, what would how would you

1631
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 2: ascribe his chances? By the way against Islam you have

1632
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 2: to compare him to the top of the division, and

1633
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 2: that happens to be the best fighter in the world.

1634
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 2: What would that fight look like? Do you ever think

1635
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 2: about that, Luke?

1636
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, the thing was, we got

1637
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: very close. Folks may forget this, but Habib came very

1638
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,679
Speaker 1: close to fighting Max on short notice, and that would

1639
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: have been an interesting test because it would have been somebody.

1640
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Frankiegar went after him, but Frankiegar, you know,

1641
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: obviously is much more undersized relative to Islam Makachev. So

1642
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 1: we never really got a full answer for the takedown.

1643
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 1: Defensive Max Holloway obviously to Porio, got him down, but

1644
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 1: really couldn't do anything with it. It's hard to say.

1645
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 1: I would obviously favor Islam, but I feel like, you know,

1646
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:05,719
Speaker 1: one fifty five might give us a really awesome answer

1647
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 1: to like the full limit of Max's wrestling defense, and

1648
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 1: to see what that answer would look like I think

1649
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 1: would be quite telling. But this is what I mean.

1650
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: These matchups to me are so much more interesting than

1651
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 1: Max Brian Ortega two or even Max Josh Emmett, Like

1652
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Do I really want to

1653
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 1: see It wouldn't be a bad fight, but him versus

1654
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 1: Partia three. And by the way, just before the show,

1655
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: I believe Parier retweeted someone suggesting that fight and put

1656
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 1: I think like one last dance or one last ride

1657
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 1: or final walk out, you know, some kind of way

1658
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 1: to encapsulate, like that could be the last one for

1659
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 1: him in a really fun, dynamic way. Dude, If that's

1660
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,679
Speaker 1: Dustin Poarier's last fight, a third fight against this version

1661
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 1: of Max Holloway, holy shit, Yes.

1662
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 2: That that might when whatever award is out there for

1663
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 2: like the fight featuring the most the two most beloved

1664
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 2: fighters possible.

1665
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 1: At that moment.

1666
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 2: It's like two extreme babyface American heroes, like living legends

1667
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 2: against one another. That'd be a huge man of pay

1668
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 2: per vremin event. I'd be all in on that, Luke

1669
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,600
Speaker 2: quickly in the welterweight division. The last card of the

1670
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 2: year for UFC, which comes December fourteenth. The Fight Night

1671
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 2: card in Tampa is a very good ass main event

1672
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 2: here at welterweight, I and Gary gonna take on new

1673
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:18,560
Speaker 2: Manza Joaquin Buckley. So, Luke, if this goes down like

1674
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 2: it looks like they're on the way to doing that,

1675
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:25,600
Speaker 2: does the winner become the number one contender or or

1676
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 2: next in line behind shav Kat Rochmanoff who's hoping to

1677
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:31,719
Speaker 2: get his date with Ballah Muhammad Rescar or no not reschedule.

1678
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 2: It looks like he could stay on that card at

1679
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 2: three ten and maybe fight for an interim title. Either way,

1680
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 2: this fight could have big time performance. Does it produce

1681
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 2: the next title challenge?

1682
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 3: So?

1683
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 1: I don't know if it produces the next title challenger,

1684
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 1: except to say the following. I think if Gary goes

1685
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 1: in there and looks really impressive, it probably does. If

1686
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: Gary goes in there and kind of ekes out a win,

1687
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 1: I don't think it does. And if Buckley goes in there,

1688
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:59,560
Speaker 1: and even if Buckley looks impressive, I don't think that

1689
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 1: it does. So I think it only has title implications.

1690
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 1: If Gary goes in there, and really really impresses it could.

1691
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: And here's why. You've got Usman sitting at two, which

1692
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 1: is incomprehensible. By the way, how the fuck is Colby

1693
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 1: Covington sitting at six? I mean, you just have to

1694
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 1: be killed so they.

1695
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 2: Can justify keeping him in the paper if they need to.

1696
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 1: You know, like a lot of Dana White's complaints about

1697
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 1: the way the rankings work aren't very good arguments, but

1698
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: like his general displeasure, I share quite candidly. You look

1699
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: at something like this, like Colby Covington's sitting at six

1700
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 1: when he's like one to two in his last three

1701
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 1: and he's performed, you know, barely at all in the

1702
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: last three years. It's just mind blowing how he could

1703
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:46,640
Speaker 1: be up there. But okay, putting that aside, you've got

1704
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 1: Rockmanov at three. He's going to be next, depending on

1705
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 1: how things go. Leon's kind of sitting at one because again,

1706
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 1: apparently he's the number one contender even though he lost

1707
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 1: a decisive fight to Ballah Mohammad. The rankings are so

1708
01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 1: fucking stupid it blows my mind. But here's problem. You've

1709
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 1: got jack Dale Madelena sitting at four. Sean Brady sitting

1710
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 1: at sitting at five, the two guys in question, and

1711
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 1: Gary and Buckley sit respectively at six and eight. There

1712
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 1: are a couple of different guys ahead, right. So for example,

1713
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 1: if Gary was fighting Sean Brady and he went out

1714
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:20,679
Speaker 1: there and like, let's say, smashed Brady, which I don't

1715
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 1: think is likely, but let's say he did, I could

1716
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 1: really see a title shot for him. And again, if

1717
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 1: he beats Buckley. A guy in sitting at number number

1718
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: at nine, I said, I said was eight. It's actually nine.

1719
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 1: He's sitting seven and nine. You know, it's not enough

1720
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 1: to leap frog jack Dale. Madelena to me, it's not.

1721
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 1: He had that win over held.

1722
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,719
Speaker 2: Stop Dan Gary. If he stopped Ian Gary with something

1723
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 2: powerful and awesome, Bucky, yeah, he.

1724
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 1: Would leap frog Brady and jack Dale. Madelina to you,

1725
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 1: I don't think that he would.

1726
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 2: For me, I wouldn't. I'd keep him in the conversation.

1727
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 1: All right, he's really okay, Okay.

1728
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 2: I feel like Gary's poised to be a star. Like

1729
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 2: they're setting this guy up to sence to make a

1730
01:18:57,479 --> 01:18:57,800
Speaker 2: run here.

1731
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 1: Okay, but that's just it. That's why I sort of

1732
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 1: started the way I did. If Gary goes in there,

1733
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 1: who kind of who's got like, what what's what's Gary's

1734
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:12,680
Speaker 1: title shot case? It's meritocracy plus potential burgeoning star right

1735
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 1: and again that Irish market, which the USC hasn't been

1736
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 1: back to since like I don't know how long at

1737
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 1: this point, Like I think I said that the last

1738
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 1: I think I read the last time that a Irish

1739
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 1: guy headlined a card in Ireland in the UFC was

1740
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: Patty Houlihan Hulihan in twenty fifteen. I mean it's been

1741
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 1: almost ten years.

1742
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 2: They were there in twenty eighteen? Was that the lesson there?

1743
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 1: And I didn't Irish guy headline it? I don't remember, right,

1744
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

1745
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 2: Long noo, I'll look into it.

1746
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the point I'm trying to make. It's been

1747
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 1: a while, and like they just put this fight in

1748
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 1: Tampa and I saw some Irish people being like upset

1749
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 1: about it. I'm like, we'll do this out of the

1750
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 1: UFC makes cards like they got roster splots, slots to

1751
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 1: fill and they just plug people in as best they can.

1752
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:56,719
Speaker 2: Shut up, We're getting was not MAGNI practice. Shut up already.

1753
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 1: This is great, you know, But the point I'm trying

1754
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 1: to make is I just feel like what Brady and

1755
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: Dale Abotelena have done in beating Gilbert Burns is such

1756
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 1: a better win than anything that either Buckle very Gary

1757
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 1: have put together.

1758
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:12,639
Speaker 2: That one thing, I'm not saying it couldn't.

1759
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:15,560
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it couldn't happen BC it could, but

1760
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: I would it needs to be really good for them

1761
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 1: to get.

1762
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 2: One thing I'm saying is Buckley has been fighting for

1763
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 2: his own future. In my opinion, he's been taking to

1764
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:26,680
Speaker 2: the microphone outside of that Connor call out, but that

1765
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 2: was also him trying to become part of the conversation

1766
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:31,720
Speaker 2: and it certainly made him. But looke, when you ask

1767
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 2: for big opportunities aggressively of the UFC and then they

1768
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 2: put you in tough spots, but you come through and

1769
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 2: get the wins. And obviously we're positing a scenario here

1770
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 2: where he would not only defeat Gary, but let's say

1771
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 2: finished him, and let's say it was like holy shit,

1772
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 2: Like it's hard to deny that when guys come through

1773
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 2: and over deliver in those moments. You know what I'm saying, Like,

1774
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 2: I'd be That's the perfect guy that I would make

1775
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 2: the case for because I don't think all those those

1776
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,640
Speaker 2: other cases are strong. I don't think they're dominant. I

1777
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 2: think that's the difference.

1778
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 1: It's always one of these cases where like you know, BC,

1779
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever talked about this. I

1780
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 1: was in the Boy Scouts. I actually reached the rank

1781
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 1: of Eagle Scout. I'm not surprised by this.

1782
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:08,600
Speaker 2: But that's not easy about by the way, that's like

1783
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 2: a lifelong commitments.

1784
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was not easy. I certainly agree.

1785
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:14,560
Speaker 3: You know.

1786
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 1: It wasn't great for my getting laid prospects, but those

1787
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: eventually turned when I gave all that up. Yeah, what

1788
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 1: I want to make was it's all about like starting

1789
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 1: a fire, do you have enough of the conditions to

1790
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 1: get a raging fire going? And it could be do

1791
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 1: you have enough of the same You know, I'm making

1792
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 1: the metaphor a little bit tortuous here, but what are

1793
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 1: the weather conditions? Do you have enough kin ling? Do

1794
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 1: you have all the different ingredients you might need to

1795
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 1: get one going? I could see a scenario where enough

1796
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 1: come together to build a raging inferno in the case

1797
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 1: for Ian Gary, but for me personally, it would take

1798
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,560
Speaker 1: a lot. It would take a lot doable unlikely.

1799
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 2: All right, I'll accept that, Luke. Let's keep the show

1800
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 2: moving here. Let's move on to topic number four. And

1801
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 2: we're getting really close here, less than two weeks out.

1802
01:21:57,080 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 2: So let's set the table for UFC at MSG three

1803
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 2: to nine, and finally, finally, the heavyweight Championship, the real one,

1804
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 2: will be defended when John Jones takes on Stepe Miocic

1805
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 2: a year after it was already probably a few years

1806
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 2: too late, but it will match the maybe most successful

1807
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:19,560
Speaker 2: heavyweight in UFC history, Steepe against the greatest fighter of

1808
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 2: all time and a guy who we still know very

1809
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 2: little about at this division, even though he's the heavyweight champion. So, Luke,

1810
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 2: Jones versus Steepe is what it is. It's it's something.

1811
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 2: There's history on the line, there's potential for something here.

1812
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 2: Let's say this is fun and exciting here? Does that

1813
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 2: mean putting Tom aspinall on time out? Did you write

1814
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 2: English right here? Luke Guice read this incorrectly? What are

1815
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 2: you trying to say here? What am I trying to

1816
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 2: ask you here? Let's say Jones and steep a is great?

1817
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,760
Speaker 2: Does that justify having to wait this long? That's it,

1818
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 2: Tom Aspinall in a penalty box, just sitting there with

1819
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 2: the term title.

1820
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 1: So here's a scenario that I haven't seen discussed a lot.

1821
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 1: A lot of the conversation has been about, hey, it's

1822
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 1: been unfair to Tom Aspinall. He's had to literally defend

1823
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 1: his interim title while these two relics are sitting here

1824
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 1: just making us play this waiting game. And the presumption

1825
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 1: BC is that John Jones is going to go in

1826
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:17,680
Speaker 1: there to do something to step A that is, you know,

1827
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 1: probably not too dissimilar from what he did to Cyril

1828
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 1: gone right. But I was thinking about this over the weekend,

1829
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 1: which is well, okay, But let's see if something else happens.

1830
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 1: What if Stepe who you know, I think he did

1831
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 1: one interview with Jake Paul recently and hasn't done anything else.

1832
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure he'll do more as time goes on, but

1833
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 1: you know, has been very very quiet, basically almost hidden

1834
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 1: from public eyes. He's just living his life. What if

1835
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 1: he goes in there, and first of all, what if

1836
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,719
Speaker 1: he beats John? I mean that seems to me unlikely,

1837
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 1: but again we have to consider all possibilities here, or

1838
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 1: something else, which is more likely than that, which is

1839
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 1: John wins. But it's actually a great fight. It's a

1840
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 1: fun fight between two old dogs who get out there

1841
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's spirited. John wins. He gets

1842
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 1: the job done, but it's a blood and guts affair,

1843
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 1: and people are like, hey, well, maybe why were we

1844
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 1: so hard on these two guys. They turned in an

1845
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 1: awesome performance. Maybe Tom deserved to wait. Maybe the UFC

1846
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 1: was right this whole time. The question is if the

1847
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 1: fight is actually exciting and good, whatever that might mean

1848
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: to you, will that erase some of the what do

1849
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:24,759
Speaker 1: you want to say, displeasure with how this division has gone.

1850
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 1: And I actually think that it will if it goes

1851
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 1: that direction, if it ends up being that Stepe goes

1852
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 1: in there and wildly overperforms expectations, because dude, we're talking

1853
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 1: about step A again. You saw that video of him

1854
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:40,480
Speaker 1: walking out that one time, and he's walking like Cornelius

1855
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:42,759
Speaker 1: from Planet of the Apes, like he looks barely mobile.

1856
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 1: But if STEVEE goes out there and this whole time

1857
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 1: he's working in silence, he's not showing anything that's going on.

1858
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 1: You haven't heard from any of his sparring partners, his

1859
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 1: coaches aren't doing any interviews, like none of his team

1860
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 1: is on social doing any of this bullshit. And he

1861
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 1: goes out there and really gives John the fight of

1862
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 1: his life, and and John has to really raise his

1863
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 1: game and dig deep all up something which you got

1864
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 1: between Jones and Gustafsen. I think people will look on

1865
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 1: this potentially quite favorably, and they'll be like, yeah, maybe Tom,

1866
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 1: maybe Tom deserved to actually sit his ass down and

1867
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 1: we had to get this whole thing done. It could

1868
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 1: completely transform the narrative that is going into this, which

1869
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:22,719
Speaker 1: is this is two old guys engaging in a complete

1870
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,839
Speaker 1: waste of our time. I actually do believe that is possible.

1871
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:28,599
Speaker 2: I think it's a very astute take that you just made.

1872
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 2: And I also think part of that is that we've

1873
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 2: dumbed down our expectations so much for this based on

1874
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 2: being forced to wait so long an additional year. Again.

1875
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 2: I used to make the argument last November that like, hey, everybody,

1876
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 2: it's still two legends and we don't know what's gonna happen.

1877
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 2: It's great, I mean, we're a year later, but for

1878
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 2: you to kind of make that backdoor argument now, I

1879
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 2: think you're correct mostly because history has taught us that

1880
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 2: it's true. We value the currency the most of an

1881
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 2: exciting fight that just made us, reminds us of why

1882
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 2: we love this sport. And I think with these two

1883
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 2: legends and their respetffective histories, it could really, you know,

1884
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 2: not change completely, but add a significant chapter onto both

1885
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:08,759
Speaker 2: of their end of their careers based on the result,

1886
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 2: especially if this is some exciting fight that's what we

1887
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 2: want as fans. History will not tell the story if

1888
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:16,560
Speaker 2: that happens, of what we actually lived through. How do

1889
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:19,639
Speaker 2: I know that the best example is what I think

1890
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 2: is the best boxing rivalry of my fandom and time

1891
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:25,759
Speaker 2: as a journalist and all of that of my lifetime,

1892
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 2: and that's Pacquiel versus Marquez. We got four fights, but

1893
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:31,799
Speaker 2: even though the fourth fight is by far my favorite,

1894
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 2: probably my third favorite fight of all time, and in

1895
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 2: my opinion, still the best boxing match the sport has

1896
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 2: produced since Corrals Castillo one in two thousand and five.

1897
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 2: I was also there as a journalist and fan and

1898
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 2: can tell you that we were like, this is so

1899
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 2: gratuitous of top rank. We don't need another Marcus versus

1900
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 2: Paccio fight, Like, yeah, we'll probably be good and yeah whatever,

1901
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 2: but they're old and it's gonna end the same way

1902
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 2: every time. That's gonna be a close, really good fight,

1903
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 2: but half the crowd will think that Marcus finally got

1904
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:04,680
Speaker 2: his moment, and instead Pacielle will get, you know, some

1905
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 2: close decision that he may or may not have deserved,

1906
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 2: especially their age and what they've been through. We were

1907
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 2: just sort of like man, the third fight, while very good,

1908
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 2: produced a result that fans hated. So the taste in

1909
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 2: everyone's mouth ahead of that fight was fter that fight,

1910
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 2: it really was. I was there, and then that fight

1911
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 2: turned out to be one of the greatest things that

1912
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:28,679
Speaker 2: ever happened to so many of our fandoms. So we're

1913
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 2: asking a lot of though Jones Steepe to live up

1914
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 2: to something like that. But I don't think, Luke, it

1915
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 2: necessarily has to be Patio Marc is four and be

1916
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:39,680
Speaker 2: this all time great fight. But as long as it's

1917
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 2: fun and we learned something here, and it's not just

1918
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 2: old Steepace the coming in ways that were just like, oh,

1919
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 2: come on, we still don't know anything about John and

1920
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,639
Speaker 2: he have we As long as we learn things, it'll

1921
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 2: soften the blow. Historically, it really will and then obviously

1922
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 2: we're gonna wait with pain pins and needles to find

1923
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:00,040
Speaker 2: out what the winner says afterwards into the microphone and

1924
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 2: will they retire or threaten it and what that all means.

1925
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 2: But dude, if the fight's really good, you're right, we're

1926
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 2: not going to be telling this long, arduous story again.

1927
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:12,519
Speaker 1: We need to wrap our head around what it might

1928
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 1: mean for step A to win. For example, like John's

1929
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:19,640
Speaker 1: takedown ability early to middle parts of his career was,

1930
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:22,560
Speaker 1: let me just tell you, having lived through it, it

1931
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 1: was unstoppable. It was a four gone conclusion. He was

1932
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 1: going to take his opponent down, and that got harder

1933
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 1: and harder and harder as time went on, but he

1934
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 1: still was able to do it for the most part.

1935
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 1: But then I go back to fights like the Dominic

1936
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,639
Speaker 1: Reyes fight BC, where he does have two of nine

1937
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 1: takedowns attempted be secure too, but the two he got

1938
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,679
Speaker 1: barely mattered at all, like he couldn't do hardly anything

1939
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 1: with it. I think one in the fifth looking at

1940
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:48,479
Speaker 1: the notes here, and then one in the fourth the

1941
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 1: only two rounds that I thought he actually won that fight.

1942
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 1: I thought he lost the first three rounds in that contest,

1943
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:55,560
Speaker 1: and then you know, Cyril Gon couldn't do shit, but

1944
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 1: Cyril Gon's not really much of a wrestler to begin with.

1945
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 1: Steep A is steep A is. Can you imagine what's,

1946
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 1: first of all, is gonna happen if steep A just

1947
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 1: stuffs all his takedowns, Like, first of all, let's just

1948
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 1: just that automatically changes I think a lot of how

1949
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 1: this fight could be perceived. That's the first thing to mention.

1950
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 1: But just imagine this scenario for a second. Imagine if

1951
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 1: it's a blood and guts fight, Stepe stuff's nearly all

1952
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 1: the takedowns, or at least enough of it to make

1953
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:26,559
Speaker 1: it a stand up fight for its entirety and gets

1954
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 1: a decision. When can you imagine the fucking in your face,

1955
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 1: including to people like you and me, the in your

1956
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:36,680
Speaker 1: face victory tour that Stepe is going to take, and

1957
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 1: how that is going to completely transform how this fight

1958
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 1: was viewed and also, like what happened to him, by

1959
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 1: the way, it's gonna make Francis look good because Francis

1960
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 1: ran over Stepe in their rematch. I mean, make no

1961
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 1: mistake about it, that fight wasn't closed for a second.

1962
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:54,719
Speaker 1: It'll transform how I think Francis will look to a degree.

1963
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 1: It's gonna, I mean, destroy John's legacy too. Not completely, obviously,

1964
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 1: his light heavyweight resume is about as unappeachable as it

1965
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 1: could ever be, but you know what he became and

1966
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,759
Speaker 1: what this all meant. It will destroy that. But the dunking,

1967
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 1: oh my god, the dunking that Stepe is going to

1968
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:15,800
Speaker 1: enjoy if he manages to get a win, is going

1969
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:16,840
Speaker 1: to be biblical.

1970
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:20,840
Speaker 2: If I was his his you know, roommates, bunk mates

1971
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:23,559
Speaker 2: up there in the fire department in suburban Ohio where

1972
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:25,799
Speaker 2: he works, I would instantly make a you know, Instagram

1973
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 2: account and just start dunking on every media member and

1974
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 2: every fan and just make.

1975
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm we're gonna We're gonna have to eat shit

1976
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 1: if he does that, in part because we see, like

1977
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, you mentioned this. I don't know if people

1978
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 1: know what happened in Pacquiao Marquez four. That is one

1979
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 1: of the most devastating knockouts I've ever seen. Very few

1980
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 1: times have I ever watched a fight and thought, I

1981
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:49,640
Speaker 1: think this fucking guy might be dead. That's one of

1982
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 1: those fights. It's it's the closest I can think of BC,

1983
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 1: and then the circumstances are obviously like totally different. I'm

1984
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 1: just talking about punch to what the other person did.

1985
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 1: It's like jocks, Yeah, it's like what Josh Emmett did

1986
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 1: to Bryce Mitchell. Nuclear shot. They're not moving and you're like, oh,

1987
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:11,799
Speaker 1: this this could turn ugly really really quickly, and ballance

1988
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 1: that's what he did to him. Can you imagine if

1989
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 1: Stepe has a moment like dude it is. It's hard

1990
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 1: to even fathom because we've this is my point, we've

1991
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 1: only ever discussed this other one, and I don't I

1992
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:22,560
Speaker 1: want to be clear, I don't think that this is

1993
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 1: the likeliest outcome. But every time you think you know

1994
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:27,559
Speaker 1: what the likeliest outcome is going to be in fight sports,

1995
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 1: they have a funny way of showing you you don't

1996
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 1: know shit about the world anyway. For sure, something to

1997
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 1: think about is we get a little bit closer to

1998
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:35,720
Speaker 1: threeho nine, about what could happen in a world where

1999
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 1: some of these things take place.

2000
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 2: And by the way, the fifty five second reference I

2001
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 2: made was that's how long Pacio was out cold until

2002
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 2: the smelling salts revived him. While they were zooming in

2003
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:47,560
Speaker 2: on his wife in tears in Bob Aram's arms on

2004
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 2: the ring apron like that was some hairy all time

2005
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 2: shit right here. That's that's why that rivalry is so insane.

2006
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 2: But Luke Thomas, I got to ask you, what is

2007
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 2: a worst case scenario for the UFC? Scenario Number one

2008
01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 2: is steepe knocks out John Jones cold and then calls

2009
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 2: out Francis in the post fight interview and says, let's

2010
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:08,679
Speaker 2: do the trilogy, Let's find out who the greatest heavyweight

2011
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 2: is of all time. Or option number two, steep Pey

2012
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 2: falls out with an injury during fight week and John

2013
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 2: refuses to fight anyone else. What is the worst case

2014
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:20,439
Speaker 2: scenario here?

2015
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:23,680
Speaker 1: I think it's a little different than that one. I

2016
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 1: think it's you were kind of close with the first

2017
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:30,000
Speaker 1: one step A let's say, knocks out John Jones and

2018
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:33,559
Speaker 1: then just straight up retires and so now you've got

2019
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:37,280
Speaker 1: no real champion. You made Tom aspinall sit out all

2020
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 1: this time for basically nothing at that point, and John

2021
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:44,800
Speaker 1: Jones's legacy is again not entirely it's I want to

2022
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:47,600
Speaker 1: be fair. Obviously, his light heavywey resume is insane, but

2023
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 1: the thing he was trying to do which was be

2024
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 1: the may Weather of MMA, you know, fifteen oh or whatever.

2025
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:54,639
Speaker 1: That's ruined and he can't get it back because step

2026
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 1: A doesn't want to fight anymore. He's gonna habib exit

2027
01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:58,920
Speaker 1: like I'm done done, Like this is not going to

2028
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:02,240
Speaker 1: be doable. Yeah, that would be worst case scenario, because

2029
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 1: now Francis looks amazing, John looks terrible, Stepe is gone,

2030
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:07,360
Speaker 1: and Tom is sitting there being like, well, who the

2031
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 1: fuck am I supposed to fight? Now? Even if you

2032
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:12,639
Speaker 1: beat John, the fucking forty two year old, just beat

2033
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 1: him in that circumstance like it's that would be horrible

2034
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:15,800
Speaker 1: for them.

2035
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 2: If we're gonna say worst, we gotta say best. Best

2036
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 2: case scenario is that Jones looks like Mayweather in picking

2037
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 2: apart Steepe, and then dominantly finishes him, picks up the mic,

2038
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:29,639
Speaker 2: says Tom aspinall get your ass up, get ready, Hey, Dana,

2039
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 2: fucking pay me, and then maybe says Francis, I might

2040
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:35,439
Speaker 2: also be seeing you. That's like the most extreme best

2041
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 2: case scenario for everyone, Right.

2042
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 1: The best case scenario is it's a good fight, that

2043
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 1: John ultimately looks awesome in the end of finishes him

2044
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:45,760
Speaker 1: and then calls out tom Aspinall, and if you get that,

2045
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:47,840
Speaker 1: then you know, I mean, you're just cooking without you.

2046
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:50,920
Speaker 2: Don't even need the Francis get You don't need Francis.

2047
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:53,040
Speaker 2: Just if you get the aspirinall call off from Jones,

2048
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:55,799
Speaker 2: everyone is erect from here to Hanover. Ohio.

2049
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 1: Yes, I wouldn't go so far as to say you

2050
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 1: don't need Francis. But if John wins impressively and then

2051
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:06,360
Speaker 1: calls out tom Aspinall, you have everything that you basically need.

2052
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:08,800
Speaker 1: At that point, there's nothing you're really I mean, yeah,

2053
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:10,799
Speaker 1: you're missing. The Francis thing is big.

2054
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:12,599
Speaker 2: But yeah, but we can get there. Let's get one

2055
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 2: at a time.

2056
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:16,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean John Jones versus or even if

2057
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:18,640
Speaker 1: Stepe sticks around, which by the way, I don't know

2058
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 1: if you will. But even if he does, John winning

2059
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 1: because he's the bigger star fighting this up and coming

2060
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 1: guy after just beating the breaks off of Steepe. In

2061
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:32,559
Speaker 1: that theoretical world, that would be absolute printing money situation

2062
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:33,240
Speaker 1: for the UFC.

2063
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 2: Wow Wow, Quickly, here we have a video of Brandon

2064
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:40,280
Speaker 2: Gibson talking about John Jones's ability here at heavyweight as

2065
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:41,000
Speaker 2: we enter three or.

2066
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:46,040
Speaker 8: Nine, he is getting stronger, faster, more stilled at heavyweight.

2067
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 8: You know, early on to make that jump from life

2068
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 8: heavyweight to get up to heavyweight was putting on a

2069
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:53,920
Speaker 8: lot of size, a lot of mass, and now his

2070
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 8: body has gotten very cuss to that size. Saw his

2071
01:34:57,320 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 8: recent photo, Halleen, he's getting for heavyweight. And then we

2072
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:06,919
Speaker 8: just assembled this like super team of training partners and coaches.

2073
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:10,040
Speaker 8: So you know, John's the greatest student in the game

2074
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:14,519
Speaker 8: as well, so he's always learning and I think he's

2075
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:17,320
Speaker 8: already the most dangerous heavyweight there is. And now you

2076
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:19,599
Speaker 8: add in this pathra new tools.

2077
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 1: Oh, it's just terrifying.

2078
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:24,479
Speaker 8: There's he would be a nightmare to coach against because

2079
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:26,719
Speaker 8: there's no path to victory against John Jones.

2080
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:31,719
Speaker 2: That's a scary proposition. If Jones has just been working

2081
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 2: on his craft and you know, making himself an even

2082
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:37,760
Speaker 2: better submission grappler and all that. Like we I mean,

2083
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,240
Speaker 2: we've always wanted to see John at heavyweight for this reason.

2084
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 2: He's the best of all time and with certain physical

2085
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:45,320
Speaker 2: advantages that he automatally would have in this weight class.

2086
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:46,600
Speaker 2: I want to see it. That's why I wish that

2087
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:49,599
Speaker 2: gunfight gave us more stand up time to actually try

2088
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:51,639
Speaker 2: to figure out who John is here at heavyweight.

2089
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if. First of all,

2090
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 1: Brennan Gibson's a fantastic coach. I don't know if what

2091
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:00,720
Speaker 1: he's saying is ultimately true, but I tend to take

2092
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:02,760
Speaker 1: him at his word that John has put together a

2093
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,560
Speaker 1: lot of different skills. I'm reading this quote from Steve Amochic,

2094
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:08,800
Speaker 1: which is amazing. He told MMA Fighting talking about the

2095
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:12,120
Speaker 1: UFC booking him to fight Jones instead of Jones versus Aspinall,

2096
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:14,720
Speaker 1: and he says, quote, I believe people want to see

2097
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:18,720
Speaker 1: that him versus John Jones. I think, uh, Steepe, I

2098
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 1: think a lot more people want to see that fight

2099
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 1: than Jones fight Aspinall. And I'm like, Steve, A, I

2100
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:27,240
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, I don't. I don't think that they

2101
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 1: do well.

2102
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:32,639
Speaker 2: Stepe oddly enough sat down with Jake Paul who asked

2103
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:35,040
Speaker 2: him the key question about will you walk away win

2104
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:38,120
Speaker 2: or lose here? What's gonna happen? Is this your last

2105
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 2: fight regardless of the outcome?

2106
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:43,719
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I said every time ever by retiring,

2107
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:46,479
Speaker 4: so and we'll see right now.

2108
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:47,400
Speaker 3: I'm about the fight.

2109
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:49,679
Speaker 1: Until it happens.

2110
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 2: Look, I'm not sure I got all that.

2111
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:54,360
Speaker 1: We have a translator in house. I don't know what

2112
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:54,640
Speaker 1: we do.

2113
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:58,800
Speaker 2: Of course, Steve. You gotta love Steve A Steve Pey rules.

2114
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 2: He's a nice guy. Luke, you know well he.

2115
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,920
Speaker 1: Has I'll say this about stepe like I don't have

2116
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:06,200
Speaker 1: the same and I think I think I speak for

2117
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 1: a lot of fans, at least currently a different generation.

2118
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:09,920
Speaker 1: This is not so true, but I think the current

2119
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:13,639
Speaker 1: fans I don't have the same attachment to him because

2120
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 1: he has just not been present right and even when

2121
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:18,320
Speaker 1: he is, he doesn't do media and he doesn't like

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01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:20,640
Speaker 1: doing media. But I have to say, if you were

2123
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:25,559
Speaker 1: a fighter, I love how he did his career, which

2124
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:28,120
Speaker 1: is that he achieved basically at the highest level, almost

2125
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:32,080
Speaker 1: as much as you possibly could, and never had to

2126
01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 1: be anything that he wasn't and that didn't translate to

2127
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:38,840
Speaker 1: the kind of stardom that would potentially be available for

2128
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:41,720
Speaker 1: somebody who was as successful as he was. But at

2129
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 1: the same time, he got to keep his sanity, he

2130
01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 1: got to keep his family, he got to keep everything intact,

2131
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:49,639
Speaker 1: made a bunch of money, had a phenomenal career. Whether

2132
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:51,720
Speaker 1: he wins or loses against John it doesn't even really matter,

2133
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 1: although obviously if he wins it would be huge. But

2134
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:56,280
Speaker 1: you know what point, like his career is is he

2135
01:37:56,360 --> 01:37:59,400
Speaker 1: had He's had a great run. I actually really admire

2136
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:01,160
Speaker 1: the way he's done career. It just makes it hard

2137
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:03,120
Speaker 1: to have a you know, the same kind of attachment

2138
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:03,439
Speaker 1: to him.

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01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 2: I'm with you, all right. Topic number five here we

2140
01:38:06,240 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 2: have a similar sort of look ahead because the night

2141
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:11,160
Speaker 2: before UFC three or nine in New York will be Friday,

2142
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:14,360
Speaker 2: November fifteenth, when we get Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson

2143
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 2: on Netflix. Finally, So, Luke, I got to, you know,

2144
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:21,720
Speaker 2: get take your temperature here. What chances less than two

2145
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:24,840
Speaker 2: weeks out, are you actually giving Mike Tyson to defeat

2146
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:28,519
Speaker 2: Jake Paul? What would that mean? How would we celebrate it?

2147
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:30,759
Speaker 2: How would we frame it if that actually took place?

2148
01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:32,559
Speaker 2: Inside Jerry world?

2149
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 1: Do we have the assets because I kind of want

2150
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:39,599
Speaker 1: to use that to react a little bit if we can.

2151
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 1: This is uh. I think this has maybe been from

2152
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:46,040
Speaker 1: like the andre Ward interview that he did, But either way,

2153
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:50,479
Speaker 1: Mike admitted that his second personality Iron Mike, has returned. Quote,

2154
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:52,680
Speaker 1: I'm always careful when that guy comes out. Every time

2155
01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:55,400
Speaker 1: I drink or get ready to fight, iron Mike returns,

2156
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:58,439
Speaker 1: I break out in handcuffs. Unfortunately I have to fight

2157
01:38:58,520 --> 01:39:00,439
Speaker 1: and be that guy. I wish I could stop that guy.

2158
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 1: That guy haunts me. I wish I could stop that guy.

2159
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:05,720
Speaker 1: I wish that guy died. But he's here again. And

2160
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:07,719
Speaker 1: you look at some of these pictures, he looks like he's,

2161
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, for fifty eight anyway, BC, I'm not gonna

2162
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 1: say chiseled out of stone, but fucking big strong, right?

2163
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:17,040
Speaker 1: Does he not look that way to you? This is

2164
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:18,920
Speaker 1: the thing that you and I have labored under a

2165
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 1: little bit. We have had to pay close attention to

2166
01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:24,800
Speaker 1: many of his fights because he did a few of

2167
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:28,200
Speaker 1: them with showtime, and obviously just because he's fighting other

2168
01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:31,040
Speaker 1: anime guys. So it's kind of in our orbit. Don't

2169
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:33,120
Speaker 1: you feel like he's done this to us a couple

2170
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:34,639
Speaker 1: of times? And this is the way that, like all

2171
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:38,720
Speaker 1: promotion works. But it's like especially acute with him, which

2172
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:40,200
Speaker 1: is that like at the end of the day, which

2173
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 1: you just would after all of his fights, I'm almost

2174
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 1: like this guy sandbags, it's all he does. He's the

2175
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:49,680
Speaker 1: king of sandbagging. But he's very good, or at least

2176
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 1: he was for a while, very good at making you think, Okay,

2177
01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:58,200
Speaker 1: he sucks enough that he can't be sandbagging, right. Anderson

2178
01:39:58,240 --> 01:40:00,680
Speaker 1: Silva might be old, but he's Anderson's Sylvan. Who the

2179
01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:02,200
Speaker 1: fuck are you? And then he goes and knocks him

2180
01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:05,040
Speaker 1: down and beats him. Nate Diaz, Oh, but it's Nate

2181
01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 1: Diaz fresh off of a UFC win. And then he

2182
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:09,000
Speaker 1: goes and beats him or Tyron Woodley fresh out of

2183
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:10,840
Speaker 1: the UFC. Okay, you know, Willy looked a little bit

2184
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:12,559
Speaker 1: old and kind of washed, but it was from wrestling.

2185
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:15,320
Speaker 1: Now it's just straight up striking. It's better. And you

2186
01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:17,120
Speaker 1: didn't think much of the ascrem win. You didn't think

2187
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:19,280
Speaker 1: much of the Nate Robinson win or the pre diabetic

2188
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:22,160
Speaker 1: gas station attendant he fought to begin with and soon Gibb, Yes,

2189
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:24,320
Speaker 1: it's very very mad when you call him a pre

2190
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:27,479
Speaker 1: diabetic gas station attendant. But nevertheless, the point I'm trying

2191
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:30,640
Speaker 1: to make is he's just the king of sandbagging. But

2192
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:34,200
Speaker 1: he does a pretty good job for I think a

2193
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:36,519
Speaker 1: lot of people to make you think that he's not.

2194
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:40,000
Speaker 1: And this fight I've noticed BC. All of the hardcore

2195
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:41,880
Speaker 1: fight fans are always like, oh my god, this is

2196
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:43,760
Speaker 1: a waste of time. What the fuck are we doing?

2197
01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:48,040
Speaker 1: And then every I don't know about you, every single

2198
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:51,040
Speaker 1: casual fan I have spoken to, is like, hey, isn't

2199
01:40:51,040 --> 01:40:53,200
Speaker 1: Tyson old. I'm like yeah, and they go yeah, but

2200
01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:55,439
Speaker 1: he's still gonna fuck Jake up right like it's Mike yes,

2201
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:59,599
Speaker 1: And I'm like, dude, this guy, Jake Paul Is he's

2202
01:40:59,680 --> 01:41:02,599
Speaker 1: the king of sandbagging, but he's the king of doing

2203
01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:05,160
Speaker 1: it in a world where people never see it coming.

2204
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:09,920
Speaker 1: And I have to believe Jake's gonna run over him right,

2205
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:13,040
Speaker 1: Like that's what's going to happen, because that's what always happens.

2206
01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:16,639
Speaker 2: The thing is, Luke, that sandbagger, Mike Tyson could still

2207
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:20,040
Speaker 2: kick your ass. And the question is how long is

2208
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:22,280
Speaker 2: he going to be viable in this fight if it's

2209
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 2: a real fight and it plays out like one, Because

2210
01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:27,000
Speaker 2: I got questions about like, like, look, if I was

2211
01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:28,840
Speaker 2: doing the same thing that we just did with UFC

2212
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:31,400
Speaker 2: with the kind of thing that people don't love the

2213
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 2: Jones step A one, but it could go really well.

2214
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:36,000
Speaker 2: Does some degree this fight is that too? It's just

2215
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:38,840
Speaker 2: in the circus tent. As much as we want to

2216
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:40,760
Speaker 2: hate it or be lary of it, it's gonna happen.

2217
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:42,240
Speaker 2: So we got to tune in and take part of

2218
01:41:42,280 --> 01:41:45,920
Speaker 2: the spectacle. But what's worse, Luke, that we watch one

2219
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 2: of our heroes get beat up, like legitimately beat up

2220
01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:51,639
Speaker 2: by a younger man, or that this doesn't actually play

2221
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:53,519
Speaker 2: out like a fight and is more of like a

2222
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 2: spirited sparring match. Let's cash this big check together and

2223
01:41:57,560 --> 01:42:00,519
Speaker 2: then we'll hug on the way out. That's all just

2224
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:03,960
Speaker 2: as bad. But if it's straight up the real deal,

2225
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:08,200
Speaker 2: and you know, I hope it is, then it comes

2226
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:10,360
Speaker 2: down to legitimately. And this is how this is the

2227
01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:12,200
Speaker 2: conversations you have with everybody. You have to almost take

2228
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:14,280
Speaker 2: the casual angle because this is a casual fight. It's

2229
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:17,360
Speaker 2: not a real fight. It's weird, but the casual angle

2230
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:19,960
Speaker 2: is true. How long can Mike be super dangerous? Like

2231
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:21,800
Speaker 2: I think he's a knockout threat in the first two

2232
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:24,880
Speaker 2: rounds in these, by the way, are two minute rounds,

2233
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:29,360
Speaker 2: not three. By the way, fourteen ounce gloves that Brent Brookhouse,

2234
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:31,519
Speaker 2: the CBS Sports keeps reminding us when we debate this

2235
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:37,800
Speaker 2: in our CBS Sports Meetings that how long can this last?

2236
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:38,120
Speaker 1: Luke?

2237
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:40,920
Speaker 2: How long can you give Mike? Because the mic from

2238
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:42,800
Speaker 2: four and a half years ago when he came back

2239
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:45,800
Speaker 2: and fought Roy Jones shocked us at how much he

2240
01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:48,760
Speaker 2: still had left and he looked you saw signs of

2241
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:50,759
Speaker 2: the old mic like it was almost scary and weird

2242
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:54,280
Speaker 2: and amazing. But I don't think, I mean, can he

2243
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:56,439
Speaker 2: be that guy again? How long, Luke, in your mind

2244
01:42:56,680 --> 01:43:00,280
Speaker 2: can Mike be like in this fight in dangerous? I

2245
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:02,320
Speaker 2: think they are going to have a quick hook if

2246
01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:04,639
Speaker 2: this guy starts taking some punishment, and maybe they should

2247
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:05,599
Speaker 2: have fifty eight for anyone.

2248
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:11,160
Speaker 1: I think a minute or two first round. Yeah, like

2249
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:13,240
Speaker 1: a couple of exchanges. I mean, dude, here's the problem

2250
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:15,200
Speaker 1: with Jake. Like, Jake is not a good boxer, you

2251
01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:18,679
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like even even against Mike Perry.

2252
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:21,200
Speaker 1: This is something that remember when Showtime asked me to

2253
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:22,920
Speaker 1: do like tape study on him, and we did, yes,

2254
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:25,599
Speaker 1: and I went through it and one of the things

2255
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:28,800
Speaker 1: that like Jake is this wasn't always true, but one

2256
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:31,439
Speaker 1: of the things that like I really saw on tape,

2257
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:34,160
Speaker 1: aside from like not great footwork, although he's cleaned a

2258
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:35,920
Speaker 1: lot of that up too, But this is one of

2259
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:39,240
Speaker 1: his biggest problems. He will look down and throw. He

2260
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:41,600
Speaker 1: doesn't actually look at the target when he throws that

2261
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:43,559
Speaker 1: overhand right, and he's got a big punch, Like, I'll

2262
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:45,720
Speaker 1: give that. If there's one thing you can say about him,

2263
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 1: He can punch like he's actually got a pretty good punch,

2264
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:51,439
Speaker 1: but he doesn't look He looks straight down. And I'm

2265
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:53,080
Speaker 1: always like, dude, who is going to be the first

2266
01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:55,120
Speaker 1: guy to see this on tape and uppercut him? But

2267
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:57,920
Speaker 1: then he never fights anybody who can like do that

2268
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:00,320
Speaker 1: to him, so it's never a liability that ends up

2269
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:02,640
Speaker 1: costing him because I'm always like, guys, if I can

2270
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:05,240
Speaker 1: see this on tape, you have to imagine anybody who's

2271
01:44:05,240 --> 01:44:08,000
Speaker 1: halfway decent can see it on tape. I think Mike

2272
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:10,000
Speaker 1: could take advantage of something like that, Mike Scott that.

2273
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:11,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if he's got the pekaboo

2274
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:14,080
Speaker 1: style anymore, but he probably still can punch a little bit,

2275
01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:17,439
Speaker 1: you know. But remember people like, oh, he looks pretty

2276
01:44:17,439 --> 01:44:19,599
Speaker 1: good against Roy Jones. Dude, that was four years ago.

2277
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:23,200
Speaker 1: That was four years ago, four years in your fifties,

2278
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:27,120
Speaker 1: is like dog years. I mean, you're aging quickly, so

2279
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:30,200
Speaker 1: I still think Mike can probably punch and probably catch him.

2280
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:33,760
Speaker 1: But if there's anything I've learned with Jake, it is

2281
01:44:33,880 --> 01:44:35,640
Speaker 1: that he finds a way to make you think he

2282
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:38,280
Speaker 1: sucks enough to lose, even to an old guy, and

2283
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:41,800
Speaker 1: then he goes and batters the old guy. If Mike

2284
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:44,360
Speaker 1: Tyson wins, it will be one of the greatest moments

2285
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:46,080
Speaker 1: I think in a lot of people's fandom in quite

2286
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:47,600
Speaker 1: some time it would be. I mean, yeah, I know

2287
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 1: that Jake lost to Tommy Fury, but that doesn't quite

2288
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:51,679
Speaker 1: feel the same, and plus it was kind of close

2289
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:54,000
Speaker 1: and whatever. Then he knocked Tommy Fury down to I

2290
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:57,439
Speaker 1: think something like that final right, yes, Whereas if he

2291
01:44:57,560 --> 01:45:04,200
Speaker 1: knocks down Mike, it's just gonna so Mike's dangerous, but

2292
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:07,960
Speaker 1: not enough for me to make me believe this is

2293
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:11,840
Speaker 1: actually competitive. I just really, really really hope I'm wrong.

2294
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:14,760
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm with you on that. I just have those

2295
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:16,720
Speaker 2: bad tastes in my mouth from seeing holy Field, who

2296
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:18,519
Speaker 2: was fifty eight at the time when he fought Vitor

2297
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:21,519
Speaker 2: bell Fort and that triller thing, and as soon as

2298
01:45:21,560 --> 01:45:23,800
Speaker 2: he got hit with one punch, his legs were gone,

2299
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:25,840
Speaker 2: and then on you know he's on skates and he

2300
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:27,760
Speaker 2: got knocked down three more times, and you know the

2301
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:29,960
Speaker 2: referee had had to pull the mercy cord. No one

2302
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:31,960
Speaker 2: wants to see a fifty eight year old holy Field

2303
01:45:31,960 --> 01:45:36,479
Speaker 2: take unnecessary punishment against a maybe enhanced Bellefort, who's the

2304
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:39,560
Speaker 2: only forty four at that point. This has potential to

2305
01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:42,519
Speaker 2: go there too quickly, Luke. But Mike didn't box as

2306
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:46,360
Speaker 2: long as holy Field. Maybe he's in better physical, explosive

2307
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:48,960
Speaker 2: sturdiness shape. I don't know a lot of factors go

2308
01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:51,479
Speaker 2: in to like what version of Mike can we get?

2309
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:53,479
Speaker 2: But I think the key question is how long we're

2310
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:56,519
Speaker 2: gonna find out? November fifteenth, All right, those are your

2311
01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:59,960
Speaker 2: five topics for the day. Let's get into your question

2312
01:46:00,280 --> 01:46:02,200
Speaker 2: that you send in on social media every Sunday night

2313
01:46:02,280 --> 01:46:05,120
Speaker 2: at morning combat on Instagram and X. We put out

2314
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:07,599
Speaker 2: the call you send your questions and then we harass

2315
01:46:07,720 --> 01:46:09,880
Speaker 2: you if they're lame. This one's called DMS from.

2316
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:16,120
Speaker 1: Docs speaking of Peter North.

2317
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:18,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, geez wow.

2318
01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:23,160
Speaker 2: This one's from the Harrison Bright. If Brandon Moreno wins

2319
01:46:23,240 --> 01:46:26,519
Speaker 2: back the title again at flyweight, where does that put him?

2320
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:28,639
Speaker 2: All time at one two five.

2321
01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:33,360
Speaker 1: I don't know that'd be something.

2322
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:35,559
Speaker 2: Three time champion, that'd be something.

2323
01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, no one's touching Demetrius anytime soon, you know,

2324
01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:43,080
Speaker 1: at best number two something like that, maybe three.

2325
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:45,599
Speaker 2: How do you put Shuto? Where do you put Isa

2326
01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:47,680
Speaker 2: Huto ahead of Figuretto or below him? I mean, it

2327
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:49,719
Speaker 2: was a brief time in that division, Luke.

2328
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:53,120
Speaker 1: If we're just talking about what they did at flyweight. Now, granted,

2329
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:55,599
Speaker 1: he beat Demetrius somewhat controversially, but he did beat him.

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01:46:56,040 --> 01:46:57,439
Speaker 2: Well, he was in that division longer, but you get

2331
01:46:57,479 --> 01:46:58,760
Speaker 2: what I'm saying in terms of the high yeah.

2332
01:46:58,840 --> 01:47:00,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he had the win over TJ, which

2333
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:04,360
Speaker 1: was kind of big, and then the win over but

2334
01:47:04,439 --> 01:47:06,680
Speaker 1: the win against Dom was at one thirty five, right,

2335
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:08,439
Speaker 1: So it would be just those two that you'd be

2336
01:47:08,479 --> 01:47:12,639
Speaker 1: looking at as like the biggest wins. I would put

2337
01:47:12,680 --> 01:47:16,280
Speaker 1: Brandon above that because of the three time aspect of it,

2338
01:47:16,520 --> 01:47:18,840
Speaker 1: plus you know, getting it back against the same guys

2339
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:20,519
Speaker 1: kind of one thing, but getting it back against a

2340
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:23,599
Speaker 1: different one who depending if it's Pantodi, yeah, it would depend,

2341
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:26,240
Speaker 1: but maybe number two. But it's almost kind of irrelevant

2342
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:28,760
Speaker 1: because it's like the distance between two and one. Here

2343
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:30,880
Speaker 1: is a yawning gap.

2344
01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:33,519
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, one of the five greatest fighters of all time,

2345
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:36,280
Speaker 2: Demetrius Johnson, Thank you very much. Let's go to Eric

2346
01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:39,879
Speaker 2: Bolden number two. How many current top five UFC middleweights

2347
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:42,719
Speaker 2: would you favor over Johnny Eblin at the moment.

2348
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:45,479
Speaker 1: Let's see what the rankings look like before I can

2349
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:48,920
Speaker 1: answer that. So at middleweight, right, that's what we're talking

2350
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:49,439
Speaker 1: about here.

2351
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:52,719
Speaker 2: Yes, so five IV.

2352
01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:56,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have Imovov, Whittaker, Chimaya of Izzy Strickland, and

2353
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:58,879
Speaker 1: then duple C at six. But you know, champions unranked

2354
01:48:01,320 --> 01:48:03,880
Speaker 1: maybe one or two, you know.

2355
01:48:04,200 --> 01:48:06,519
Speaker 2: I mean I think the one you'd lean to would

2356
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:08,479
Speaker 2: be Imovov. But would that even be true? I mean,

2357
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:10,840
Speaker 2: eblin striking isn't through the roof Luke. I'd need to

2358
01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:12,160
Speaker 2: really see what.

2359
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:14,679
Speaker 1: He look is he I think the wrestling component could

2360
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:17,439
Speaker 1: still give him problems, especially at this stage he's older.

2361
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:20,600
Speaker 1: Ye know, So that one is a maybe. CHIMAIV. I

2362
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:23,800
Speaker 1: don't think so Strickland. They're trained together as a whole.

2363
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:24,960
Speaker 1: You know, that's a little harder to say to you

2364
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:29,760
Speaker 1: because they're training partners. Whitaker. I don't think so Imovov.

2365
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:31,639
Speaker 1: You're right, I could see him. That's a I mean,

2366
01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, a couple maybe something like that.

2367
01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:36,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Johnny's got to get out of a PF

2368
01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:39,479
Speaker 2: elatur unless they're going to have unless they're going to

2369
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:41,960
Speaker 2: pull all the resources and have a PFL middleweight division

2370
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:44,519
Speaker 2: with a championship. Get the heck away, That's what I say.

2371
01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:48,680
Speaker 2: Let's go to flannels and JITs. That wasn't racist, right

2372
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:50,160
Speaker 2: or sexual? Maybe?

2373
01:48:50,200 --> 01:48:50,680
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

2374
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:54,000
Speaker 2: What do you think of fighters doing grappling events? You

2375
01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:57,000
Speaker 2: had Polaris that had Michael ven and Page versus Carlos

2376
01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:59,559
Speaker 2: Conda this weekend. What are some grappling matches you would

2377
01:48:59,560 --> 01:49:01,680
Speaker 2: love to see? This man says he would love to

2378
01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:05,040
Speaker 2: see GSP versus Damian Maya or Habib, and he would

2379
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:08,559
Speaker 2: also like to see Ronda versus Misha in grappling. Luke,

2380
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:11,679
Speaker 2: what did you think about Condent versus MVP this week?

2381
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:14,839
Speaker 1: I didn't see the match. I just saw the results.

2382
01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:18,400
Speaker 1: MVP I guess got like a decision in over him.

2383
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:20,840
Speaker 2: Do you like when the fighters do this even in

2384
01:49:20,920 --> 01:49:22,760
Speaker 2: the flow of active competition at MMA.

2385
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:24,760
Speaker 1: It's a weird one too, because you've got guys who are, like,

2386
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:27,479
Speaker 1: you know, striking based dudes. I mean, Condent's well rounded,

2387
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:31,640
Speaker 1: but you know, striker based. I like it in the

2388
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:34,160
Speaker 1: sense that, like they're not doing power slap, you know,

2389
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:39,120
Speaker 1: or you know, committing crimes or something like. It's nice

2390
01:49:39,160 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 1: in that sense, but I don't have like a burning

2391
01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:45,840
Speaker 1: desire to see MMA fighters do grappling per se.

2392
01:49:46,760 --> 01:49:51,040
Speaker 2: But what about a shob versus Obre rematch.

2393
01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:55,240
Speaker 1: Cybergorg Cyborg of Bray? First one wasn't that first one?

2394
01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:59,600
Speaker 1: Wasn't that fun? You know, it wasn't that fun. I

2395
01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:01,720
Speaker 1: would like to see Habib in a grappling match. I

2396
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:03,200
Speaker 1: think that would be fucking awesome.

2397
01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:04,280
Speaker 2: B versus GSP.

2398
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:06,519
Speaker 1: I mean that in a grappling match, that'd be sick.

2399
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:07,040
Speaker 1: That's sexy.

2400
01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:09,000
Speaker 2: That it's pretty sexy.

2401
01:50:09,240 --> 01:50:11,479
Speaker 1: Is the way they can. But these these are guys

2402
01:50:11,479 --> 01:50:14,599
Speaker 1: who showed like phenomenal grappling ability, which is why it'd

2403
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:16,120
Speaker 1: be kind of cool to see them in that sense,

2404
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:18,720
Speaker 1: you know, But without the ground and pound, I don't

2405
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:20,360
Speaker 1: know how that will go necessarily.

2406
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:23,120
Speaker 2: Right for these older fighters in this type of dream

2407
01:50:23,200 --> 01:50:26,400
Speaker 2: scenario that we're concocting here. Do they have pride issues

2408
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:30,559
Speaker 2: which stopped veteran NBA players from joining the slam dunk

2409
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:32,640
Speaker 2: contest and being willing to like maybe lose, then try

2410
01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:34,120
Speaker 2: to come back and win it the next year. It

2411
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:35,960
Speaker 2: seemed like people would win it once and then never

2412
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:38,160
Speaker 2: want to do it again. That became a showcase for rookies.

2413
01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:42,519
Speaker 2: Do you think it's like there's some hesitation in staining

2414
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:45,439
Speaker 2: your resume or your standing at all by putting out.

2415
01:50:45,479 --> 01:50:47,640
Speaker 1: Really also, it looks like it seems to me like

2416
01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:50,639
Speaker 1: guys who maybe didn't quite get what they wanted out

2417
01:50:50,640 --> 01:50:53,200
Speaker 1: of competition, and we're looking for a little extra pay days,

2418
01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, rather than like the very best we

2419
01:50:57,800 --> 01:51:02,439
Speaker 1: have to offer, trying something different. You know. Again, I

2420
01:51:02,479 --> 01:51:04,880
Speaker 1: would love to see Herbibe doing a grappling match, but

2421
01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:06,800
Speaker 1: also would depend on the rule set to right. You know,

2422
01:51:06,840 --> 01:51:08,080
Speaker 1: you have to get the right rule set, So.

2423
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:12,080
Speaker 2: I'd like ky Rogers rule set look to be fair,

2424
01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:16,639
Speaker 2: I mean high roll, Yeah, just handing out gimmicks left

2425
01:51:16,680 --> 01:51:19,120
Speaker 2: and right. And it's like we were It wasn't Cynthia

2426
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:21,920
Speaker 2: Calvio there and Emily Whitmyer. All the stars came out.

2427
01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:23,960
Speaker 1: There, yep, and then we met, we saw we talked

2428
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:26,120
Speaker 1: about this, We saw Patchy Mix, we talked to him.

2429
01:51:26,200 --> 01:51:29,320
Speaker 2: Yes, I was like, tap that motherfucking ass patchie and

2430
01:51:29,400 --> 01:51:31,680
Speaker 2: he looked at me like somebody security, please would you?

2431
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:33,920
Speaker 1: It was like, okay, I will I guess?

2432
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:37,240
Speaker 2: Uh, Luke, we got a question from mcinnernie. He says,

2433
01:51:37,320 --> 01:51:40,680
Speaker 2: if steepe Ko's Jones, where does that rank among all

2434
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:45,280
Speaker 2: time upsets? That's interesting? Would they do an immediate rematch if?

2435
01:51:46,040 --> 01:51:48,000
Speaker 2: I mean, we wouldn't explore that enough. If one guy

2436
01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:50,840
Speaker 2: wins by Ko, but it's kind of abruptly in a

2437
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:53,720
Speaker 2: close fight. Do we do a rematch anyway? Is there

2438
01:51:53,720 --> 01:51:55,000
Speaker 2: a way this happens a second time?

2439
01:51:55,080 --> 01:51:57,679
Speaker 1: Luke? All right, BC, I don't know where it would

2440
01:51:57,720 --> 01:52:00,240
Speaker 1: go all time on upsets because the way that is

2441
01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:03,320
Speaker 1: typically measured is by betting odds. Whether or not that's

2442
01:52:03,320 --> 01:52:04,519
Speaker 1: the best way to do it, it's just the way

2443
01:52:04,520 --> 01:52:07,120
Speaker 1: that we do it. Our friends at DraftKings have John

2444
01:52:07,200 --> 01:52:09,800
Speaker 1: Jones as a minus six fifty. They've got steepe at

2445
01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:11,120
Speaker 1: a plus four seventy.

2446
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:13,600
Speaker 2: That's a lot, by the way, that's that's that's for

2447
01:52:13,680 --> 01:52:14,479
Speaker 2: a main event.

2448
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:16,559
Speaker 1: That is significant. That's a lot. That's a whole lot.

2449
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:18,559
Speaker 1: I'm looking if I'm looking at John Jones, because he's

2450
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:23,560
Speaker 1: only ever in main events, right, John versus Gone was

2451
01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:26,760
Speaker 1: listen to the closing range John minus one forty three,

2452
01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:28,599
Speaker 1: Gone plus one fifty five and that ended up being

2453
01:52:28,640 --> 01:52:32,200
Speaker 1: a fucking blowout. Chiago Santos was similar to this, minus

2454
01:52:32,280 --> 01:52:36,400
Speaker 1: five twenty five for him, Santos at plus four eighty five,

2455
01:52:36,560 --> 01:52:40,439
Speaker 1: Anthony Smith minus seven fourteen Anthony Smith plus five to fifty.

2456
01:52:40,479 --> 01:52:43,120
Speaker 1: So it's around that and then the ovin Saint Prue,

2457
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:45,680
Speaker 1: which also was not that good, uh in the end.

2458
01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:49,720
Speaker 2: So I just wonder how many people in history we'll

2459
01:52:49,720 --> 01:52:52,000
Speaker 2: talk about how long Stepe has actually been off or

2460
01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:53,680
Speaker 2: will it just be No, it's Steepe. He's one of

2461
01:52:53,720 --> 01:52:55,680
Speaker 2: the greatest fighters of all time, and he scored a.

2462
01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:58,040
Speaker 1: Big win against one of the then dude and coming

2463
01:52:58,160 --> 01:53:00,000
Speaker 1: off of a vicious ko lost no life.

2464
01:53:00,760 --> 01:53:03,479
Speaker 2: So would that best? Would that best the feeling that

2465
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:05,719
Speaker 2: we have in our hearts from Randy upsetting Tim Sylvia

2466
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:08,080
Speaker 2: to win the heavyweight title? Would that take that moment away?

2467
01:53:08,240 --> 01:53:10,519
Speaker 2: Would that be the go to when stupid?

2468
01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:12,600
Speaker 1: Nobody else I live through that night. I don't know

2469
01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:14,760
Speaker 1: how many people who are watching the sport now we're

2470
01:53:14,840 --> 01:53:19,800
Speaker 1: watching it back then. That was absolutely enormous. That was

2471
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:24,320
Speaker 1: so fucking big. It would be something like that. Also, dude,

2472
01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:27,280
Speaker 1: to be the only guy to ever ko John Jones

2473
01:53:27,479 --> 01:53:30,040
Speaker 1: and be the only guy to say U ko John

2474
01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:34,000
Speaker 1: Jones and Daniel Cormier. Holy shit. I'm telling you, I'm

2475
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:36,440
Speaker 1: telling you, if Stipe goes in there and does something unexpected,

2476
01:53:36,479 --> 01:53:38,040
Speaker 1: it is going to be transformative.

2477
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:41,040
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest. It's not bigger than nunis Pania one,

2478
01:53:41,120 --> 01:53:43,360
Speaker 2: which was one of the most shocking I've ever endured

2479
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:45,360
Speaker 2: in terms of like, I can't believe this is happening,

2480
01:53:45,640 --> 01:53:48,120
Speaker 2: But now I think we understand maybe why. And it's

2481
01:53:48,200 --> 01:53:51,000
Speaker 2: not bigger than Rome with a Home Rousey, Luke, that

2482
01:53:51,120 --> 01:53:53,960
Speaker 2: was just no like that was that was time?

2483
01:53:54,120 --> 01:53:56,840
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, absolutely. It would not top those,

2484
01:53:56,920 --> 01:53:59,360
Speaker 1: but it would be big. It would be very, very big.

2485
01:53:59,439 --> 01:54:00,400
Speaker 1: It'd be huge. Okay.

2486
01:54:00,600 --> 01:54:03,920
Speaker 2: Our final question here from Emery Nick six, who gives

2487
01:54:03,960 --> 01:54:07,360
Speaker 2: the worst interviews in MMA any memorable bad ones Recent

2488
01:54:07,439 --> 01:54:11,240
Speaker 2: Steepay interviews are unwatchable in this person's opinion, Luke, I've

2489
01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:14,840
Speaker 2: always said Cowboy Seroni is consistent, was consistently in my

2490
01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:17,160
Speaker 2: you know, in his time. The worst that I had

2491
01:54:17,200 --> 01:54:19,200
Speaker 2: in MMA just you always knew it was going to

2492
01:54:19,240 --> 01:54:21,559
Speaker 2: be like dental surgery and you almost never got anything

2493
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:21,880
Speaker 2: out of it.

2494
01:54:22,439 --> 01:54:25,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, I've said this story before, Like w C

2495
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:27,240
Speaker 1: brought up into town. They had me in studio when

2496
01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:29,360
Speaker 1: I was at Serious XM and we did the interview

2497
01:54:29,360 --> 01:54:30,880
Speaker 1: and it was fine. And then when it was over

2498
01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:32,880
Speaker 1: and then we turned the microphones off, the first thing

2499
01:54:32,920 --> 01:54:35,640
Speaker 1: he asked me was where's the nearest titty bar. That

2500
01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:36,360
Speaker 1: was a fun time.

2501
01:54:37,240 --> 01:54:39,040
Speaker 2: But steep Pay is in that category, by the way,

2502
01:54:39,080 --> 01:54:41,320
Speaker 2: And it's not like he just not doesn't really care

2503
01:54:41,400 --> 01:54:43,280
Speaker 2: and just answers with three word answers.

2504
01:54:43,320 --> 01:54:45,120
Speaker 1: You know, I'm the wrong guy to ask this question too,

2505
01:54:45,160 --> 01:54:50,920
Speaker 1: because I find most interviews no fun. Whitaker for me.

2506
01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:55,280
Speaker 2: Tough to interview. I'm gonna be honest, no, but seriously,

2507
01:54:55,360 --> 01:54:57,040
Speaker 2: I've done it one on one, like there were times

2508
01:54:57,080 --> 01:54:59,920
Speaker 2: where he banned He banned brett O Komotive from interviewing

2509
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:02,080
Speaker 2: him for a while when I was the MMA editor

2510
01:55:02,160 --> 01:55:03,600
Speaker 2: for Bred at ESPN, so I would have to do

2511
01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:06,840
Speaker 2: it in person when John would come and you had

2512
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:09,640
Speaker 2: the massages ego and really work around land mines to

2513
01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:10,640
Speaker 2: get anything interesting.

2514
01:55:12,200 --> 01:55:13,880
Speaker 1: And now he blocked me in ig So you know

2515
01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:17,280
Speaker 1: which I cannot How did he block you and not me?

2516
01:55:17,400 --> 01:55:21,480
Speaker 1: I don't understand that, but dripping BD, yeah, I guess

2517
01:55:21,480 --> 01:55:24,240
Speaker 1: that he could. He saw all that. Man, he was like,

2518
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:25,640
Speaker 1: I can't be around that. I don't want to look

2519
01:55:25,640 --> 01:55:27,240
Speaker 1: at that. It's gonna make me feel bad. You mogged

2520
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:27,560
Speaker 1: on him.

2521
01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:31,120
Speaker 2: Rousey also a bad interview. Holly Holm to be Fairs,

2522
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:33,160
Speaker 2: not a great interview. I thought she was always one

2523
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:35,160
Speaker 2: of the perennial big names that you're just like, uh.

2524
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:38,720
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yeah, I'm trying to thinet like because

2525
01:55:38,720 --> 01:55:41,000
Speaker 1: they really the if you thought, if you interview ranking

2526
01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:43,240
Speaker 1: file guys, it's also not that great. So the question

2527
01:55:43,400 --> 01:55:45,760
Speaker 1: is more like big names that were not that great.

2528
01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:49,320
Speaker 1: You You've got a bunch of good ones there, I'll

2529
01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:51,920
Speaker 1: tell you what you know. Not that great, No great guy,

2530
01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:55,400
Speaker 1: not that yeah, yeah, not that great. Uh recently if

2531
01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:58,240
Speaker 1: this is about boxing, but Giron Ennis. I love Jiron Ennis.

2532
01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:00,680
Speaker 1: He's like a dynamite fighter to watch and we've interacted

2533
01:56:00,720 --> 01:56:04,480
Speaker 1: like privately in person and he's a totally cool guy.

2534
01:56:05,120 --> 01:56:07,520
Speaker 1: Not a great interview, like a really bad interview. Who's

2535
01:56:07,560 --> 01:56:09,840
Speaker 1: like the worst interview in boxing? And then this is

2536
01:56:09,880 --> 01:56:11,800
Speaker 1: hard because you've got a lot of language barrier types.

2537
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:13,920
Speaker 1: I don't mean that, I mean like native speaker.

2538
01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:17,400
Speaker 8: It's tough.

2539
01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:18,680
Speaker 1: It is tough.

2540
01:56:18,760 --> 01:56:20,640
Speaker 2: There's a lot of great interviews in boxing, to be fair,

2541
01:56:21,400 --> 01:56:23,720
Speaker 2: but you know there would be guys like Leo Santa Cruz,

2542
01:56:23,880 --> 01:56:26,240
Speaker 2: great guy, never a great interview. You can't really get

2543
01:56:26,320 --> 01:56:28,600
Speaker 2: much out in the directions that you'd try at times.

2544
01:56:28,640 --> 01:56:30,280
Speaker 2: Good give you honest answers, but you know, it's just

2545
01:56:30,360 --> 01:56:32,600
Speaker 2: sort of there'd be some you know, vanilla guys. I

2546
01:56:32,640 --> 01:56:35,800
Speaker 2: guess you'd call him or whatever. But boxing has so

2547
01:56:35,960 --> 01:56:40,000
Speaker 2: many of the opposite, so many colorful, out of control interviews,

2548
01:56:40,040 --> 01:56:42,280
Speaker 2: that it sort of I always just sort of forget

2549
01:56:42,400 --> 01:56:44,800
Speaker 2: who is not as good and difficult. All right, look

2550
01:56:44,840 --> 01:56:46,520
Speaker 2: for time purpose, we've got to rush out the door

2551
01:56:46,600 --> 01:56:49,200
Speaker 2: here with the final segment. And that's where I scoured

2552
01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:52,080
Speaker 2: the globe on Sunday for the high's, the low, the good,

2553
01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:54,880
Speaker 2: the bad, the ugly and in between. On the media,

2554
01:56:54,920 --> 01:56:57,240
Speaker 2: on the social media there in the world of combat

2555
01:56:57,280 --> 01:57:00,280
Speaker 2: sports and beyond. Basically they're weird videos. This one's have

2556
01:57:00,360 --> 01:57:11,160
Speaker 2: you seen this ship? Uh luke? Big week for Oscar

2557
01:57:11,240 --> 01:57:14,480
Speaker 2: de la Hoya, your boy, and it started on Clapback Thursday,

2558
01:57:14,520 --> 01:57:17,680
Speaker 2: where he went somewhere, and he went there aggressively. Now

2559
01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:18,960
Speaker 2: nobody is.

2560
01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:23,280
Speaker 9: Safe from clapback Thursdays, including my best friend Hollie.

2561
01:57:28,080 --> 01:57:31,080
Speaker 2: Something tragic happened in my life this week that I

2562
01:57:31,480 --> 01:57:35,400
Speaker 2: have to address. I suffered two huge losses.

2563
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:42,680
Speaker 9: The love of my life decided to downsize her enormous cans.

2564
01:57:45,320 --> 01:57:47,480
Speaker 1: No, it's been.

2565
01:57:50,800 --> 01:57:59,400
Speaker 2: Out you my friends, Holly.

2566
01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:03,280
Speaker 9: You know how much joy those fun bags brought to me,

2567
01:58:03,960 --> 01:58:06,440
Speaker 9: all the good times the four of us had together.

2568
01:58:07,200 --> 01:58:09,840
Speaker 9: Is this a phase you're going through? I thought you

2569
01:58:09,880 --> 01:58:14,480
Speaker 9: were a vixen? Come on, mine, are you joining the convent?

2570
01:58:15,880 --> 01:58:18,680
Speaker 9: You said you did it because they didn't fit in

2571
01:58:18,760 --> 01:58:22,560
Speaker 9: your clothing. Isn't that the entire point of having huge titties.

2572
01:58:23,120 --> 01:58:25,640
Speaker 9: I'll never be able to motor both those puppies again.

2573
01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:30,440
Speaker 2: Brah uh, look at it would go on to continue,

2574
01:58:30,640 --> 01:58:33,240
Speaker 2: by the way. I just don't know, for decency purposes

2575
01:58:33,320 --> 01:58:35,680
Speaker 2: how much more we should show. But I want to

2576
01:58:35,720 --> 01:58:36,400
Speaker 2: get your thoughts.

2577
01:58:38,560 --> 01:58:43,160
Speaker 1: Sure, no one is ever going to accuse Oscar of

2578
01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:46,520
Speaker 1: having too much class. I can just point that out well, Luke.

2579
01:58:46,360 --> 01:58:48,840
Speaker 2: Oscar dressed up as the Joker for Halloween. They had

2580
01:58:48,840 --> 01:58:51,720
Speaker 2: a big press conference. Here's first Oscar getting interviewed beforehand.

2581
01:58:52,360 --> 01:58:53,560
Speaker 9: One of the things that I know a lot of

2582
01:58:53,640 --> 01:58:58,040
Speaker 9: people love is the banter between you and Eddie Hearn.

2583
01:59:00,160 --> 01:59:05,880
Speaker 2: My buddy, my buddy, my buddy. Wherever my buddy goes

2584
01:59:06,040 --> 01:59:08,600
Speaker 2: I go my buddy Eddy.

2585
01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:10,280
Speaker 3: Eddy?

2586
01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:11,560
Speaker 2: Am I sad or happy?

2587
01:59:14,440 --> 01:59:16,360
Speaker 1: You guys have a lot of things to say to

2588
01:59:16,440 --> 01:59:16,880
Speaker 1: one another.

2589
01:59:17,040 --> 01:59:17,320
Speaker 2: It's not.

2590
01:59:18,840 --> 01:59:21,200
Speaker 1: Okay. And then they did this this is a sport.

2591
01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:24,760
Speaker 1: This is You can't look at that and think like, Okay,

2592
01:59:24,800 --> 01:59:26,480
Speaker 1: this is a sport, like it's not a sport, you

2593
01:59:26,520 --> 01:59:26,920
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

2594
01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:30,040
Speaker 2: And then they had a press conference for Floyd Schofield

2595
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:32,520
Speaker 2: Kid Austin's fight, which made evented a disown triple header,

2596
01:59:32,600 --> 01:59:33,200
Speaker 2: and this happened.

2597
01:59:33,800 --> 01:59:36,120
Speaker 1: If you're not already with Golden Black Promotions, you have

2598
01:59:36,360 --> 01:59:37,280
Speaker 1: time to repent.

2599
01:59:37,680 --> 01:59:37,920
Speaker 5: You do.

2600
01:59:41,880 --> 01:59:42,760
Speaker 2: Are you going to.

2601
01:59:44,440 --> 01:59:44,800
Speaker 1: Jurity?

2602
01:59:45,560 --> 01:59:53,680
Speaker 2: Get out of here, Jesus Man, please save but listen

2603
01:59:53,720 --> 01:59:57,360
Speaker 2: to her if you're not with Golden Boys. Wow, Luke,

2604
01:59:57,440 --> 01:59:59,680
Speaker 2: that was aggressive. I mean, it's made for this segment.

2605
02:00:00,560 --> 02:00:04,480
Speaker 1: I wish I had more hands. I'd give those I'd

2606
02:00:04,520 --> 02:00:07,080
Speaker 1: give those presentations pour thumbs down.

2607
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:10,520
Speaker 2: Look, you always told me that weddings in different countries

2608
02:00:10,520 --> 02:00:11,520
Speaker 2: are crazy, right, you've.

2609
02:00:11,400 --> 02:00:14,680
Speaker 1: Told me that, right, Yeah, I went to Batshit one

2610
02:00:14,720 --> 02:00:15,760
Speaker 1: in Columbia over the summer.

2611
02:00:15,840 --> 02:00:18,000
Speaker 2: Well, this one's pretty crazy too. Watch what happens here

2612
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:21,800
Speaker 2: after the groom drags the bride up. Dad not happy?

2613
02:00:22,280 --> 02:00:22,440
Speaker 3: Is this?

2614
02:00:23,400 --> 02:00:27,840
Speaker 2: I don't know? Here comes dad?

2615
02:00:29,440 --> 02:00:34,920
Speaker 1: Oh not off to an auspicious beginning in this uh

2616
02:00:35,240 --> 02:00:36,240
Speaker 1: this here setting.

2617
02:00:37,640 --> 02:00:41,320
Speaker 2: Wow, went to a hockey game and a wedding broke out.

2618
02:00:41,640 --> 02:00:43,680
Speaker 2: That's wild, all right. You know where there's a lot

2619
02:00:43,720 --> 02:00:47,000
Speaker 2: of fighting lately. Football. Let's go to the SEC Florida,

2620
02:00:47,160 --> 02:00:50,640
Speaker 2: Georgia and watch these two cops just and then may

2621
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:53,280
Speaker 2: beat down, ground and pound.

2622
02:00:54,280 --> 02:00:55,040
Speaker 1: What the fuck?

2623
02:00:55,920 --> 02:00:59,240
Speaker 2: This is aggressive? That's a sault brother, right, Wow.

2624
02:00:59,240 --> 02:01:01,960
Speaker 1: That is I see beating him up like like a

2625
02:01:02,080 --> 02:01:02,800
Speaker 1: pro wrestler.

2626
02:01:02,920 --> 02:01:06,600
Speaker 2: You've seen that, just like, ah, there's hammer fists from

2627
02:01:06,640 --> 02:01:09,839
Speaker 2: that cop. And also look inside the games, it's getting physical.

2628
02:01:10,200 --> 02:01:16,680
Speaker 2: Watch this superman punched by the you yo, damn to

2629
02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:19,440
Speaker 2: that you knock out of the helmet. It looked like it.

2630
02:01:19,880 --> 02:01:21,360
Speaker 2: I don't watch into football to tell you the.

2631
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:25,520
Speaker 1: Truth on that, though, Dude. That is insane. Dude. They

2632
02:01:25,600 --> 02:01:27,200
Speaker 1: played by a different set of rules down there at

2633
02:01:27,240 --> 02:01:27,400
Speaker 1: the U.

2634
02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:27,840
Speaker 5: I know that.

2635
02:01:28,640 --> 02:01:31,160
Speaker 2: Well, look you've long told parents, if you're a real parent,

2636
02:01:31,280 --> 02:01:33,520
Speaker 2: do not bring your kids to NFL games. Here's why

2637
02:01:33,680 --> 02:01:35,120
Speaker 2: Falcons versus Saints.

2638
02:01:38,880 --> 02:01:47,880
Speaker 1: Most Wow.

2639
02:01:50,640 --> 02:01:52,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's aggressive right there.

2640
02:01:52,760 --> 02:01:55,000
Speaker 1: Again, I'm gonna keep asking this. Why would you ever

2641
02:01:55,160 --> 02:01:57,760
Speaker 1: go to an NFL game? Why would you do it?

2642
02:01:58,320 --> 02:02:00,720
Speaker 2: Why would you ever jump off of a board too?

2643
02:02:00,880 --> 02:02:01,080
Speaker 1: Luke?

2644
02:02:03,040 --> 02:02:09,720
Speaker 2: Oh, oh my god, Oh don't replay that. Wow. That

2645
02:02:10,040 --> 02:02:18,400
Speaker 2: is wow, Luke. He's just just hanging around. It's just wow, Luke.

2646
02:02:18,480 --> 02:02:20,800
Speaker 1: You know, wow, Due that is one of the that

2647
02:02:20,960 --> 02:02:23,200
Speaker 1: is one of the most like awful things I've seen

2648
02:02:23,240 --> 02:02:24,000
Speaker 1: in quite some time.

2649
02:02:24,720 --> 02:02:26,320
Speaker 2: Was that like big No refusing to tap.

2650
02:02:27,920 --> 02:02:30,640
Speaker 1: That's a little worse. He just boy, he was hanging out.

2651
02:02:30,920 --> 02:02:31,640
Speaker 1: He was hanging out.

2652
02:02:32,160 --> 02:02:34,440
Speaker 2: Regional MMA and boxing, Luke. You know they give you

2653
02:02:34,520 --> 02:02:36,480
Speaker 2: the best KOs of the week. Let's go to BKFC.

2654
02:02:36,680 --> 02:02:40,240
Speaker 2: This is regional enough. Here's Ben Bonner delivering the boom

2655
02:02:41,360 --> 02:02:44,280
Speaker 2: and his victory is a celebration with the boss. No,

2656
02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:49,160
Speaker 2: not Dave Feldman. Get that man a forged Irish stout,

2657
02:02:49,320 --> 02:02:52,200
Speaker 2: because for the three hundred and sixty fifth consecutive day,

2658
02:02:52,680 --> 02:02:53,800
Speaker 2: there's Connor McGregor.

2659
02:02:54,400 --> 02:02:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that cal Ripken streak.

2660
02:02:56,240 --> 02:03:00,800
Speaker 2: Alive and well, buddy, all right, loud, this is what

2661
02:03:00,880 --> 02:03:01,120
Speaker 2: I mean.

2662
02:03:01,160 --> 02:03:02,760
Speaker 1: This, I know, I know we gotta go, but this

2663
02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:04,480
Speaker 1: is what I mean. It's like, dude, the guy is

2664
02:03:04,560 --> 02:03:06,800
Speaker 1: killing it, he's enjoying his life. Why would he ever

2665
02:03:06,920 --> 02:03:09,320
Speaker 1: come back to fistfight another guy? It makes no sense,

2666
02:03:09,600 --> 02:03:10,360
Speaker 1: no sense at all.

2667
02:03:10,720 --> 02:03:13,160
Speaker 2: You sent me this veto from Infusion one forty two.

2668
02:03:13,240 --> 02:03:16,360
Speaker 2: Here's a six second ko for kea vander Watch.

2669
02:03:17,680 --> 02:03:17,960
Speaker 1: Bah.

2670
02:03:18,680 --> 02:03:19,120
Speaker 7: Hold that.

2671
02:03:20,720 --> 02:03:25,720
Speaker 1: That is so pretty. Look at this boop? Oh my god,

2672
02:03:26,520 --> 02:03:28,520
Speaker 1: six seconds, six second. My daughter's making fun of me

2673
02:03:28,520 --> 02:03:29,160
Speaker 1: outside my door.

2674
02:03:29,840 --> 02:03:32,520
Speaker 2: Let's go to r CC thirty four. Here's a Composta

2675
02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:37,240
Speaker 2: special Dmitri nickel Nikoff with the double axe handle finish. Wow.

2676
02:03:38,080 --> 02:03:39,680
Speaker 1: What the hell was the referee waiting on? The guy

2677
02:03:39,800 --> 02:03:41,400
Speaker 1: was just standing there looking like he's sunbathing.

2678
02:03:42,600 --> 02:03:45,400
Speaker 2: Wow, the sequences right there. Also, Luke, you know you

2679
02:03:45,480 --> 02:03:47,760
Speaker 2: want front row at Sea World. You're gonna find out

2680
02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:49,360
Speaker 2: same thing in sumo wrestling.

2681
02:03:50,760 --> 02:03:53,000
Speaker 1: Oh no, oh no oh oh.

2682
02:03:54,480 --> 02:03:57,560
Speaker 2: Yoko Zuno from the top rope. Luke, where's Lex Luger

2683
02:03:57,640 --> 02:03:59,000
Speaker 2: on the aircraft carrow.

2684
02:03:58,760 --> 02:04:00,960
Speaker 1: And you know, oh boy, bro, these guys are like

2685
02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:02,720
Speaker 1: four hundred plus pounds to man.

2686
02:04:02,800 --> 02:04:06,200
Speaker 2: These are big dudes, these athletes, Luke. You know they

2687
02:04:06,240 --> 02:04:08,640
Speaker 2: need weight limits at playscapes these days. I don't know

2688
02:04:08,680 --> 02:04:10,640
Speaker 2: if you brought your daughter to this chunkie cheese. But

2689
02:04:10,760 --> 02:04:11,360
Speaker 2: this happened.

2690
02:04:12,040 --> 02:04:15,040
Speaker 1: Oh no, oh no, oh no, oh no.

2691
02:04:16,160 --> 02:04:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2692
02:04:16,560 --> 02:04:17,720
Speaker 1: Is he gonna go through the whole thing?

2693
02:04:18,560 --> 02:04:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah he did.

2694
02:04:20,280 --> 02:04:22,680
Speaker 1: Hey, you know what, Hey, you know what. The system worked.

2695
02:04:23,120 --> 02:04:25,640
Speaker 1: The system worked. It held him up there a little bit.

2696
02:04:26,760 --> 02:04:29,160
Speaker 2: I was god, I thought we were getting Building seven flashbacks, Luke,

2697
02:04:29,200 --> 02:04:29,920
Speaker 2: that was interesting.

2698
02:04:29,960 --> 02:04:30,080
Speaker 5: Here.

2699
02:04:30,200 --> 02:04:32,400
Speaker 2: Let's go to your license plate of the week.

2700
02:04:32,680 --> 02:04:33,680
Speaker 1: Look at his license plate.

2701
02:04:34,440 --> 02:04:35,280
Speaker 2: Why would they do this?

2702
02:04:35,600 --> 02:04:36,440
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.

2703
02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:45,280
Speaker 2: Let's succeed. Indeed, yes, all right, Uh it's family feud time.

2704
02:04:45,680 --> 02:04:47,680
Speaker 1: Tell me a part of the body that begins with

2705
02:04:47,800 --> 02:04:55,960
Speaker 1: the letter T. Kitties, Oh, Luke.

2706
02:04:56,040 --> 02:05:00,760
Speaker 2: This past weekend in box Ao, how about Gabriella, the

2707
02:05:00,880 --> 02:05:04,920
Speaker 2: twenty two year old younger sister of Sebastian Fundora, becoming

2708
02:05:05,000 --> 02:05:08,400
Speaker 2: the undisputed flyweight champion. She had already won one of

2709
02:05:08,440 --> 02:05:11,400
Speaker 2: the titles, and she won this unification fight, and she

2710
02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:13,040
Speaker 2: did it by stopage. Luke.

2711
02:05:13,520 --> 02:05:17,680
Speaker 1: She's pretty legit here, and the person she knocked out

2712
02:05:17,800 --> 02:05:21,360
Speaker 1: is wearing a Boca Junior's logo. So she must be

2713
02:05:21,400 --> 02:05:22,000
Speaker 1: from Argentina.

2714
02:05:22,120 --> 02:05:24,960
Speaker 2: Yes, her first name was also Gabriella. I believe that

2715
02:05:25,200 --> 02:05:26,640
Speaker 2: you can see the name of that begins with an A.

2716
02:05:26,800 --> 02:05:28,920
Speaker 2: I can't read it. I have old eyes, but you know,

2717
02:05:29,720 --> 02:05:30,600
Speaker 2: she continued there it.

2718
02:05:30,680 --> 02:05:34,240
Speaker 1: Is ah Go Lesan sat her down.

2719
02:05:35,120 --> 02:05:38,960
Speaker 2: So the Fundura family, Luke or Box. They're the first

2720
02:05:39,040 --> 02:05:43,680
Speaker 2: simultaneous brother sister world champions in boxing history. Over in

2721
02:05:43,760 --> 02:05:46,760
Speaker 2: Top Rank in Verona, New York. I love me some

2722
02:05:46,920 --> 02:05:50,800
Speaker 2: Abraham Supernova, mostly Luke. Along with his beard. He has

2723
02:05:50,840 --> 02:05:53,600
Speaker 2: a mascot of himself that dances behind him. It's the

2724
02:05:53,640 --> 02:05:54,520
Speaker 2: coolest idea ever.

2725
02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:58,520
Speaker 1: And I need it. Yeah, I disagree. It is distracting

2726
02:05:58,560 --> 02:06:01,160
Speaker 1: and weird and reminds me of like Phil collins Fever

2727
02:06:01,320 --> 02:06:02,280
Speaker 1: Dream music video.

2728
02:06:03,120 --> 02:06:04,920
Speaker 2: I thought would remind you of Jake Paul's robot.

2729
02:06:05,160 --> 02:06:08,200
Speaker 1: Right, dude, the problem was, let me, let me, let

2730
02:06:08,200 --> 02:06:10,400
Speaker 1: me explain something to the audience. Once you've seen the

2731
02:06:10,480 --> 02:06:12,960
Speaker 1: guy who does the Jake Paul robot and how sad

2732
02:06:13,080 --> 02:06:15,960
Speaker 1: he looks, you can never unsee that.

2733
02:06:17,320 --> 02:06:19,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy's a true Carney Luke Nova.

2734
02:06:19,760 --> 02:06:22,040
Speaker 1: That guy true. I guarantee you that guy lives in

2735
02:06:22,080 --> 02:06:24,040
Speaker 1: a van down by a river. I don't know which river,

2736
02:06:24,160 --> 02:06:25,040
Speaker 1: but he's living.

2737
02:06:24,840 --> 02:06:27,480
Speaker 2: There, probably, Luke, he would go on to have a

2738
02:06:27,600 --> 02:06:30,760
Speaker 2: war with Umberto Galindo. It would end in a draw.

2739
02:06:30,880 --> 02:06:32,760
Speaker 2: But look at some of these exchanges right here.

2740
02:06:34,080 --> 02:06:36,720
Speaker 1: Damn, that looks like regional mma.

2741
02:06:37,440 --> 02:06:38,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, very well, that's that was.

2742
02:06:38,760 --> 02:06:39,200
Speaker 1: Rude, Luke.

2743
02:06:39,400 --> 02:06:42,560
Speaker 2: Let's go over to golden boy, unbeaten prospect Floyd Schofield,

2744
02:06:42,560 --> 02:06:44,240
Speaker 2: who would go on to get the win here and

2745
02:06:44,360 --> 02:06:46,480
Speaker 2: a step up fight. But he missed his own stool

2746
02:06:46,960 --> 02:06:48,480
Speaker 2: immediately after getting rocked.

2747
02:06:48,240 --> 02:06:52,240
Speaker 1: By a right hand boy. He was getting murdered on

2748
02:06:52,400 --> 02:06:56,080
Speaker 1: Twitter for that on now Saturday Night, murdered. He does.

2749
02:06:56,200 --> 02:06:57,960
Speaker 1: He does a lot of talking to this guy. This

2750
02:06:58,120 --> 02:06:59,080
Speaker 1: kid does a lot of talking.

2751
02:06:59,240 --> 02:07:01,520
Speaker 2: So you notice a lot of young fighters right now

2752
02:07:01,520 --> 02:07:04,080
Speaker 2: are calling out big names, calling out Shakur, calling out Tank.

2753
02:07:04,120 --> 02:07:05,960
Speaker 2: That's what we want, dude. This is wild, right. I

2754
02:07:06,080 --> 02:07:08,760
Speaker 2: love it all right. I don't know what this one is.

2755
02:07:08,920 --> 02:07:10,000
Speaker 1: We're going to space today.

2756
02:07:12,200 --> 02:07:17,040
Speaker 2: What's up, brother, Okay, I don't really know how to

2757
02:07:17,080 --> 02:07:21,480
Speaker 2: explain that one, Luke. Look, it's election week. Our nightmare

2758
02:07:21,600 --> 02:07:23,880
Speaker 2: is almost over. I don't care who wins, just stop

2759
02:07:23,960 --> 02:07:25,960
Speaker 2: talking about it. But then this moment happened. Now I

2760
02:07:26,000 --> 02:07:26,600
Speaker 2: got a care.

2761
02:07:30,440 --> 02:07:31,840
Speaker 1: You know what I had. I had a couple of

2762
02:07:31,920 --> 02:07:33,160
Speaker 1: dates like that in high school.

2763
02:07:33,400 --> 02:07:37,880
Speaker 2: I mean, oh, I wish we had the apps when

2764
02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:39,680
Speaker 2: we were dating, Luke. We didn't have the apps, you

2765
02:07:39,720 --> 02:07:40,120
Speaker 2: know what I mean?

2766
02:07:40,200 --> 02:07:42,240
Speaker 1: I hear that the apps are Hey, Long Island, Luke,

2767
02:07:42,280 --> 02:07:43,320
Speaker 1: did you ever use the apps?

2768
02:07:43,360 --> 02:07:47,600
Speaker 4: I know we're shill run time, yeah, but not really

2769
02:07:47,960 --> 02:07:49,440
Speaker 4: like I had it, but I barely use it.

2770
02:07:49,600 --> 02:07:51,760
Speaker 1: I got the last chopper out of Saigon. I didn't

2771
02:07:51,800 --> 02:07:53,600
Speaker 1: have to worry about that. You know, good, good, Good

2772
02:07:53,640 --> 02:07:53,800
Speaker 1: for you.

2773
02:07:54,040 --> 02:07:55,880
Speaker 2: Luca's time to rate that tat whether you like it

2774
02:07:56,000 --> 02:07:57,080
Speaker 2: or not. But you need to give me a one

2775
02:07:57,120 --> 02:07:59,400
Speaker 2: to ten rating, ten being the best. Here's our first one.

2776
02:08:00,680 --> 02:08:02,400
Speaker 2: How about GoldenEye Love right here?

2777
02:08:04,360 --> 02:08:05,160
Speaker 1: Seven and a half.

2778
02:08:06,120 --> 02:08:08,440
Speaker 2: Okay, you like the premise, right, Maybe.

2779
02:08:09,800 --> 02:08:13,440
Speaker 1: Pierce Brosnen doesn't look like Pierce Brosnan, but other than that, yeah,

2780
02:08:13,880 --> 02:08:16,480
Speaker 1: and also the silencer is crooked, but okay.

2781
02:08:17,000 --> 02:08:19,200
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go on to do you like frogs?

2782
02:08:19,280 --> 02:08:19,440
Speaker 1: Luke?

2783
02:08:19,480 --> 02:08:20,760
Speaker 2: Do you like two frogs?

2784
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:27,040
Speaker 1: Okay? Fuck this person, just send them to the Gulac now,

2785
02:08:27,240 --> 02:08:29,080
Speaker 1: this fucking war on pieces of shit?

2786
02:08:29,120 --> 02:08:31,560
Speaker 2: All right? You ever seen a tattoo of a stripper

2787
02:08:31,600 --> 02:08:34,640
Speaker 2: before Luke, let's rte this one to ten and they

2788
02:08:34,680 --> 02:08:35,280
Speaker 2: got a poll.

2789
02:08:36,640 --> 02:08:39,160
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll give this one an eight for creativity and

2790
02:08:39,240 --> 02:08:40,880
Speaker 1: the zero for job prospects.

2791
02:08:40,920 --> 02:08:46,400
Speaker 2: But I'm thinking, how about this fighter tat honoring Nate Diaz,

2792
02:08:46,520 --> 02:08:52,240
Speaker 2: the two oh nine fame. Let's see this seems like quality, Luke.

2793
02:08:52,520 --> 02:08:54,120
Speaker 1: Let me see. I gotta see the finished product.

2794
02:08:54,160 --> 02:08:54,240
Speaker 3: Here.

2795
02:08:54,280 --> 02:08:57,160
Speaker 1: They're doing a lot of negative spacing. There's the stencil off.

2796
02:08:57,000 --> 02:08:59,680
Speaker 2: With the negative spacing. Here show us, you know, don't

2797
02:08:59,680 --> 02:09:01,080
Speaker 2: tell me about the birthing pains.

2798
02:09:02,200 --> 02:09:06,960
Speaker 1: Let's see the final product. Yeah, this is boy, that

2799
02:09:07,120 --> 02:09:10,600
Speaker 1: is an excellent fucking tattoo. That is That's a ten.

2800
02:09:10,920 --> 02:09:16,160
Speaker 1: That's I don't very often the day from Luke into

2801
02:09:16,200 --> 02:09:18,600
Speaker 1: a little bit of Frankenstein. That will fade when it

2802
02:09:18,720 --> 02:09:20,360
Speaker 1: becomes a little less fresh. But that's a ten.

2803
02:09:20,560 --> 02:09:22,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we only have one more to try

2804
02:09:22,280 --> 02:09:22,840
Speaker 2: to beat that ten.

2805
02:09:22,920 --> 02:09:23,240
Speaker 1: Here we go.

2806
02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:29,720
Speaker 2: That's a real tattoo. That's a real tattoo.

2807
02:09:30,000 --> 02:09:30,720
Speaker 1: That's not real.

2808
02:09:31,160 --> 02:09:32,000
Speaker 2: It looks real to me.

2809
02:09:33,560 --> 02:09:35,800
Speaker 1: I mean that's a negative eight billion. I don't know

2810
02:09:35,840 --> 02:09:36,560
Speaker 1: how else to say that.

2811
02:09:37,440 --> 02:09:39,360
Speaker 2: I didn't think we'd have two Trump head clips in

2812
02:09:39,400 --> 02:09:43,200
Speaker 2: the same sequence, Luke, but apparently we did. There you go, Luke,

2813
02:09:44,080 --> 02:09:47,080
Speaker 2: Remember those simpler days without phones, where people lived in

2814
02:09:47,120 --> 02:09:57,360
Speaker 2: the moment. Okay, moving on, Luke, It's time for uh

2815
02:09:57,880 --> 02:10:01,360
Speaker 2: my favorite part of this segment, Mma Fighter in the Wild. Hey,

2816
02:10:01,440 --> 02:10:05,000
Speaker 2: Grant Dawson's got a joke for you? Holy shit?

2817
02:10:05,160 --> 02:10:06,080
Speaker 9: Is that Nickel?

2818
02:10:07,640 --> 02:10:07,760
Speaker 2: Oh?

2819
02:10:07,960 --> 02:10:09,680
Speaker 1: Now it's bow Dime.

2820
02:10:13,000 --> 02:10:16,800
Speaker 2: Oh well, look we can leave the comedy to uh

2821
02:10:17,040 --> 02:10:22,800
Speaker 2: the professional comedians. Okay, what else you got, chan, Let's

2822
02:10:22,840 --> 02:10:25,760
Speaker 2: go over to Team Canelo. Eddie Reinoso in company gets

2823
02:10:25,760 --> 02:10:30,200
Speaker 2: who they're training. Luke in the gym roll russ Us Junior.

2824
02:10:30,320 --> 02:10:32,640
Speaker 2: What about this collab with chewee Wee's.

2825
02:10:33,040 --> 02:10:36,880
Speaker 1: Hey chee Weeeeeze. That's a good combination these two. I

2826
02:10:37,080 --> 02:10:37,240
Speaker 1: like it.

2827
02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. I imagine if if Canelo just made this guy

2828
02:10:40,160 --> 02:10:41,720
Speaker 2: like his mini me and like they always like hung

2829
02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:44,040
Speaker 2: out together and rolled around in chewe weed chicks up.

2830
02:10:44,120 --> 02:10:46,360
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Be wild, right, Luke? You

2831
02:10:46,400 --> 02:10:49,520
Speaker 2: know I love victory dances. Here here's Hamza and I

2832
02:10:49,560 --> 02:10:52,120
Speaker 2: think a few cader Ovs in just celebrating like men

2833
02:10:52,240 --> 02:10:52,560
Speaker 2: should do.

2834
02:10:52,720 --> 02:10:54,520
Speaker 1: Luke. After the victory, Hey, listen to you. Let's see

2835
02:10:54,520 --> 02:10:55,720
Speaker 1: if you can bust a move here. I don't know

2836
02:10:55,800 --> 02:11:00,360
Speaker 1: the traditional Russian dance. He's doing whatever. Yeah, he's feeling it.

2837
02:11:00,480 --> 02:11:01,080
Speaker 1: He's feeling it.

2838
02:11:01,080 --> 02:11:02,840
Speaker 2: If you can do that, you'll get late at a wedding.

2839
02:11:02,920 --> 02:11:04,280
Speaker 2: Believe me, all right, it's hollow.

2840
02:11:04,400 --> 02:11:08,440
Speaker 1: Me outside the rest of the Taco bell shipter when

2841
02:11:08,440 --> 02:11:10,320
Speaker 1: I've just had my crunch wrap supreme.

2842
02:11:10,400 --> 02:11:12,960
Speaker 2: But you know, Luke, I'm going to bring back your

2843
02:11:13,000 --> 02:11:14,760
Speaker 2: favorite lady. The everything is cake.

2844
02:11:14,840 --> 02:11:15,080
Speaker 1: Lady.

2845
02:11:15,160 --> 02:11:17,919
Speaker 2: Are you turned on or turned off by this Halloween sequence?

2846
02:11:18,520 --> 02:11:20,520
Speaker 1: Send this hag to the gulag now.

2847
02:11:22,400 --> 02:11:26,520
Speaker 2: Look, it's all cake, Okay, her whole life, this cake. Oh,

2848
02:11:26,640 --> 02:11:33,480
Speaker 2: get out of my life. I mean it gets worse. Look,

2849
02:11:33,520 --> 02:11:34,520
Speaker 2: if you're willing to hang with.

2850
02:11:34,600 --> 02:11:39,000
Speaker 1: This, I don't know, degenerate harpy, you're you're gonna eat

2851
02:11:39,000 --> 02:11:45,400
Speaker 1: spiders now, you absolutely fucking cretan. I bet that spiders real.

2852
02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:47,280
Speaker 2: Would you be willing to interview her?

2853
02:11:47,600 --> 02:11:48,120
Speaker 1: Okay with me?

2854
02:11:48,280 --> 02:11:50,240
Speaker 2: We need to have some type of like, okay, bet

2855
02:11:50,280 --> 02:11:52,360
Speaker 2: thing where you lose. Look, you have to you have

2856
02:11:52,440 --> 02:11:54,360
Speaker 2: to be part of interviews. You don't want to, so

2857
02:11:54,480 --> 02:11:56,360
Speaker 2: we'll get like you wanna and the cake.

2858
02:11:56,400 --> 02:11:58,120
Speaker 1: I don't mind that. I don't mind that yeah, I

2859
02:11:58,120 --> 02:11:59,800
Speaker 1: don't mind that I play that going.

2860
02:12:00,800 --> 02:12:02,760
Speaker 2: Luke, you should you know this as a dad, you

2861
02:12:02,960 --> 02:12:05,360
Speaker 2: gotta always check Twokey's candy first or hollowy before giving

2862
02:12:05,400 --> 02:12:10,360
Speaker 2: it to her. You never know, Luke. You gotta make

2863
02:12:10,640 --> 02:12:13,879
Speaker 2: that the silent killer. Luke, Okay, you gotta be careful,

2864
02:12:13,920 --> 02:12:17,320
Speaker 2: all right. There could be Wieners in there, all right.

2865
02:12:18,840 --> 02:12:20,640
Speaker 1: You get that from my dad's house. Where'd you get that?

2866
02:12:21,720 --> 02:12:23,560
Speaker 2: I didn't get any trigger treater, So you know what

2867
02:12:23,640 --> 02:12:28,840
Speaker 2: we were doing, Luke, trick or treaters say we ring

2868
02:12:28,960 --> 02:12:31,600
Speaker 2: the doorbell three times? I guess no one's sold any

2869
02:12:31,680 --> 02:12:33,160
Speaker 2: of that power ranger in there.

2870
02:12:33,320 --> 02:12:36,680
Speaker 1: Wow, one of the best things I ever did. This

2871
02:12:36,800 --> 02:12:38,280
Speaker 1: is a true story. Hold, it is the true story.

2872
02:12:38,600 --> 02:12:41,560
Speaker 1: I got the new Google doorbell installed in my house,

2873
02:12:41,600 --> 02:12:42,960
Speaker 1: so it's got a it's got a camera on. I

2874
02:12:43,000 --> 02:12:46,879
Speaker 1: can see who's there. But uh, I disabled the doorbell

2875
02:12:47,000 --> 02:12:49,480
Speaker 1: so I don't hear anyone ever. I can just see

2876
02:12:49,840 --> 02:12:51,640
Speaker 1: you know who I want if I if I happen

2877
02:12:51,680 --> 02:12:54,040
Speaker 1: to hear them, I don't ever answer the door anymore.

2878
02:12:54,200 --> 02:12:55,600
Speaker 1: Like you can come to my house and be like

2879
02:12:55,720 --> 02:12:57,440
Speaker 1: I'm the Comcast salesman. I'm trying to sell you one

2880
02:12:57,960 --> 02:12:59,520
Speaker 1: can get the fuck out of my yard? How about that?

2881
02:13:00,480 --> 02:13:02,960
Speaker 2: Says the guy who also lifts sways to his front yard.

2882
02:13:03,040 --> 02:13:05,240
Speaker 2: So look, AT's always the dichotomy. It's always there to go.

2883
02:13:05,400 --> 02:13:07,160
Speaker 2: I got one more for you, Luke. You can get

2884
02:13:07,280 --> 02:13:09,680
Speaker 2: anything delivered now. It's it's it's true.

2885
02:13:09,800 --> 02:13:12,360
Speaker 1: I've gotta not order for a fought from Jack voal Curius.

2886
02:13:12,640 --> 02:13:22,040
Speaker 1: That one's more in mind. Have a good day. And

2887
02:13:22,120 --> 02:13:24,400
Speaker 1: I'm being serious when I say this. I'm being serious

2888
02:13:24,440 --> 02:13:26,440
Speaker 1: when I say this. Where is it drive by shooter

2889
02:13:26,560 --> 02:13:29,800
Speaker 1: when you need one? Oh? Come on, where is the drive.

2890
02:13:30,240 --> 02:13:32,480
Speaker 2: There's some aweseve humor in Oca. You gotta get down

2891
02:13:32,520 --> 02:13:35,120
Speaker 2: with that, right, those those those mates down there, all right,

2892
02:13:35,160 --> 02:13:36,480
Speaker 2: that's all the ship I got for the week. I

2893
02:13:36,520 --> 02:13:37,280
Speaker 2: thought you enjoyed it.

2894
02:13:37,480 --> 02:13:39,040
Speaker 1: I gotta say that was a pretty good one. That

2895
02:13:39,120 --> 02:13:41,240
Speaker 1: was a pretty good one. I'd say a minus for me.

2896
02:13:42,000 --> 02:13:44,360
Speaker 2: Would you also agree before we close here that for

2897
02:13:44,520 --> 02:13:46,760
Speaker 2: as you know, weird has this year's been for us

2898
02:13:46,840 --> 02:13:49,080
Speaker 2: and we're fighting for a great future that we're on

2899
02:13:49,200 --> 02:13:51,600
Speaker 2: fire right now. We're putting we're putting our money where

2900
02:13:51,600 --> 02:13:53,760
Speaker 2: our mouth is. All right, this almost feels like mk of.

2901
02:13:53,800 --> 02:13:57,880
Speaker 1: Old almost almost almost. You know, I don't know if

2902
02:13:57,880 --> 02:14:00,440
Speaker 1: I share it necessarily every element of your enthusias, but.

2903
02:14:00,840 --> 02:14:02,480
Speaker 2: I'd like to add the showtime budget to that.

2904
02:14:03,360 --> 02:14:05,520
Speaker 1: Those were the days, right, just a little bit missing,

2905
02:14:06,560 --> 02:14:08,160
Speaker 1: but you know what, I love doing the show with you.

2906
02:14:08,200 --> 02:14:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I could not be there today, but what

2907
02:14:11,480 --> 02:14:11,960
Speaker 1: are you gonna do?

2908
02:14:12,560 --> 02:14:14,160
Speaker 2: That's all right, I'll walk through the piss up the

2909
02:14:14,240 --> 02:14:16,840
Speaker 2: subway steps solo. Okay, there you go.

2910
02:14:17,000 --> 02:14:19,240
Speaker 1: Hey, you can't get into the Amtrak lounge today. Sorry

2911
02:14:19,240 --> 02:14:20,200
Speaker 1: about that, mane Oh, I know.

2912
02:14:20,200 --> 02:14:22,520
Speaker 2: I got to be a peasant, but I'm building points quickly.

2913
02:14:22,640 --> 02:14:24,560
Speaker 2: Shout out to Long Island, Luke and our great team here.

2914
02:14:24,640 --> 02:14:26,720
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. That's Luke Thomas. This is your

2915
02:14:26,760 --> 02:14:31,400
Speaker 2: boy BC. Follow us real quick, like subscribe, follow all

2916
02:14:31,480 --> 02:14:34,000
Speaker 2: that stuff. And also we got merch for you Morningcombat

2917
02:14:34,040 --> 02:14:36,440
Speaker 2: dot store. You can get ten percent off with live

2918
02:14:36,600 --> 02:14:39,640
Speaker 2: ten do it, just just do it already. We're big

2919
02:14:39,720 --> 02:14:42,080
Speaker 2: fans of you guys. We'll be back Friday eleven am

2920
02:14:42,240 --> 02:14:44,040
Speaker 2: Eastern Time to set the stage for the weekend.

2921
02:14:44,120 --> 02:14:48,680
Speaker 1: Luke Morningcombat at gmail dot com. Morningcombat at gmail dot com.

2922
02:14:48,800 --> 02:14:51,920
Speaker 1: Email us with anything show related, dead wrongs, fans, ups, anything.

2923
02:14:52,040 --> 02:14:52,440
Speaker 1: There you go.

2924
02:14:52,760 --> 02:14:54,800
Speaker 2: Yes, hit us, hit us where it counts, right between

2925
02:14:54,840 --> 02:14:57,320
Speaker 2: the legs. That's it, that's the show, that's BC, that's LT.

2926
02:14:57,600 --> 02:15:05,480
Speaker 2: We're out of here, assass