WEBVTT - Erica Jong and Molly Jong-Fast 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:05.160 I'm Alec Baldwin, and here's the thing. The impact of 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:08.119 divorce on children is something I think about a lot. 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:13.000 I'm divorced and have a daughter. Erica Jong knows a 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:17.319 lot about divorce. She's been married four times. That's why 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:20.160 I wanted to sit down with Erica and her daughter, 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:24.880 Molly Joan Fast. Both mother and daughter are writers. Erica 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:27.680 is best known for her nineteen seventy three book Fear 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:33.159 of Flying, of feminist classic about liberation in many forms. Molly, 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.920 a mother of three kids herself, published her second novel, 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:41.519 The Social Climber's Handbook earlier this year. Molly's father is 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:46.360 Jonathan Fast, Erica's third husband. I lived with Jonathan for 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:50.000 two years before we got married. But how long between John, 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:55.400 Allan John and Jonathan About two years between them? You 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:57.560 were there, You were with Allan John, when you met 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.760 my dad. When these two good going, you step back 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:02.680 and get out of their way. What did you learn 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:05.560 about marriage from your parents? Mom? Can I answer the 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:10.520 question honestly? Honestly is the only way? Well? I would say, 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:14.400 have you seen Kramer versus Kramer? That was my general 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:18.319 impression of marriage for my upbringing. But you know my 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:23.160 mom had some good, useful suggestions, but ultimately I sort 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.199 of had to find my own way, though she did 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.520 eventually marry a really great guy and they've been married 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:32.160 for twenty one years, and he's a divorce lawyer. He's 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:35.080 a practicing divorce Yeah, he is. And Molly used to say, 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:37.560 when I married him and then she married the one, 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:42.160 you can never divorce the divorce is he a good guy. 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.760 He's a really good guy. He's a totally menchi person 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:49.440 and I like him better than when I married him, 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:51.960 which was easier for you to write about sex or divorce. 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:56.760 Sex divorce was the hardest thing I ever went through. 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.480 I have a friend who said to me once when 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:02.560 he was getting divorced from his wife, who could believe 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:06.440 that after we were in the delivering room together, after 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:10.440 I watched that baby come out, who could believe we'd 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:15.680 ever be apart? Divorce is terrible. Divorce is difficult. We 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:19.919 have it's a chaos, we have no rules for it. 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.600 It's so incredibly painful. What was it like for you 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:26.480 to deal with your parents divorce? Your parents divorce as 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:29.520 an only child? Who did you talk to? Who did 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:35.240 you do? Obese nanny from Trumbull, Connecticut, and she was 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:46.120 my confidie. Like crumpets, those tasty cake everything. Um, I 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.919 think I mean Cramer Versus Kramer was a great movie 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.000 because that was my story, and it was a lot 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:54.600 of kids stories. It was just a really gruesome seventies 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.440 divorce and that's what they had. During that time. Divorce 0:02:57.520 --> 0:02:59.360 wasn't set up the way it is now now. If 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:01.520 you have a divorce, there's no way that a mother 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:04.359 is going to lose custody. Certain things are known. Back then, 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:07.160 it was a totally unknown world of divorce. Let me 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.800 just I don't want to get carried away by divorce 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:14.040 being different in different decades, because I'm not sure that's true. 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:16.680 I think it may look that way to you, Molly, 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:21.320 but I think divorce is a catastrophic event for children, 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:25.840 for women from men. It's very, very difficult to go through. 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.320 It is traumatic. When you come to the other side 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:32.040 of it, you say, I will never do that again, 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.280 which is why I was single for nearly a decade 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:39.360 between Molly's dad and Ken, because I wanted to make 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.080 sure I would never make that miss. But after you 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:47.360 have three divorces, Yeah, you were divorced, Yes, what made 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:50.960 you believe success was awaiting you with your current husband? 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:54.080 What gave you the We stamped on our wedding invitation 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:57.240 a triumph of hope over experience, which came as the 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:00.280 result of what how did you triumph? Ken have been 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.600 married three times? I had been married three times. We 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.800 were very cautious about tying the non You were not 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.120 that cautious because you've only been together for three months. 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:13.960 When you go both, that's right? Am I right? Is 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:17.480 she right? We married after we knew each other three months. 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:20.120 But this isn't an amazing and it's been most successful 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.760 with him. Yeah, but there are certain things about me 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:28.640 and Ken. We grew up in similar circumstances. Our parents 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:33.479 were depression era people. We knew that you couldn't be 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:38.040 married and fool around. You couldn't be married. Two secrets 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:42.760 to their marriage. They have different bathrooms right there, each 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:46.000 of their own bath and they're tired. They're too tired 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:50.159 to do new curtains and bookshelves. The reason why we 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.440 got married rather than lived together was because he said 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:55.839 to me, if we just lived together, one day, we'll 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.960 have a fight and you'll say I'm leaving, or I 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:02.760 will We have a bad record. If we get married, 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.960 we know we're going to make it work. Marvin Worth, 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:10.400 Marvin Great, Marvin Worth. He was Lenny Bruce's manager, then 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:13.000 went on to become a famous movie producer. Produced Malcolm X, 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.320 the movie with Spike Lee, famous movie producer. He was 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.120 from Brooklyn. He had the heaviest New York accent of 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:19.400 any man I've ever heard him. And I said to him, 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:20.719 how did you and Joan do it? How have you 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:23.440 and John been married for for forty years? Like it 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:25.840 was that you don't fight? And he said to me, 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:28.640 uh do Joan? Then I fight? We fight every day, 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.839 We fight all day. What we do is fight, he said, 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:34.880 But then we after we're done fighting. I say, Joan, 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:38.160 I'm not going anywhere, and you're not going anywhere, So 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.440 what are we gonna do about this problem? I'm not 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.440 going anywhere. That's what Kennan I wanted, like leaving is 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.120 not an option. And actually this is very funny because 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:50.080 he says I'm not going anywhere, just what Marvin said, 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:53.880 and I say, I couldn't stand anyone else. And part 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.800 of it is we really make each other laugh all 0:05:56.839 --> 0:06:00.760 the time. When we have a disagreement, we always get 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:04.200 it out there. We don't hold it in. Now that 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.120 I have kids, I feel like what they don't tell 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:10.680 you about marriage is that marriage? I mean, what don't 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.559 they tell you? The marriage is incredibly hard work. Molly 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:21.840 got married at but Molly's hole childhood and upbringing had 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:25.960 been different from mine. I married my first lover, my 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:29.840 college sweetheart. I had no experience with anybody else when 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:33.480 I married him. That was very much my generation. Molly 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:36.800 sewed her wild though it's during college and when she 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.120 met Matt, she knew this was the man she wanted 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.960 to be with. It was a totally different pattern. But 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:45.839 I think much wild. Did you travel with the stones? 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.720 I think I um, I really grew up because I 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:52.200 got sober when I was nineteen. So I went to 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:54.560 rehab when I was a teenager, so that I was 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:57.479 until I went to we have very crazy. But then 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:02.160 once that happened, I then started to focus on, you know, 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.919 what was important. So by the time I got married, 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.120 I was already, you know, sober a long time. My 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:12.520 grandmother was very Bohemian, and my mother was very bohemian. Yeah, 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:16.280 and they all my grandparents had open marriages, you know. 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:18.720 And I asked my dad about that, and my dad said, actually, 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:21.920 was just that your grandfather cheated on your grandmother, and 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.120 that was what they called it in the fifties. I 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.600 also wanted a bourgeois life, Like I didn't want to 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.480 be bohemian. I don't want to be single and have 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.600 a boyfriend who had a motorcycle and cowboy But it's 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:35.200 none of that appealed to me. What effect, if any, 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:37.920 didn't have on you that your mother was viewed as 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:39.400 and I'll let you put in the words, you know, 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:43.440 your mother's expertise and female sexuality. What impact did that 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:47.760 have on you when you were growing up? Um? I 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:51.040 think more having a mother who was very successful in 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.320 working a lot at more of an effect on growing 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.600 up because she just traveled a lot and worked a 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.840 lot and felt very stressed a lot. I think that 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:00.880 had more of an effect on me. Then. I didn't 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:04.520 particularly know what she did until when I was in 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.800 sixth grade. I went to this very progressive school and 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.400 a little boy was like, your mom writes dirty books. 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.000 I went to science sure, and I was like, he's 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:13.320 not allowed to say that to me, and she was like, 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:16.040 but she does. And I was like, oh my god. 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.200 She does. But the fact that we grew up in 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:20.880 a townhouse with a hot pink door and then it 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:27.480 was purple. It was right. We had paintings of naked 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:33.959 lesbians having sex on the walls. Yes, why because no, 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:39.719 they're not famous ladder Slader. I have a schlatterer and 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:41.960 I keep it under my bed. When I want to 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.040 get things going, I want to I want to pick 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:50.760 it up. Relating to the erotic art I had lived 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:54.520 in house guests. They had lived with Shirley McClain. Shirley 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:56.840 finally threw them out. I've met them on the beach 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.360 at now. They were about a hundred years old at 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.080 that point when Shirley threw them out. They came to 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.520 live with me and they gave me erotic artists. Thank 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:14.880 you can't imagine that they were really old fashioned bohemians 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:18.040 like Henry Miller. In the sixties, they had lived in 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:21.400 Paris on the Boulevard rest Spy and had orgies that 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:25.319 was all over. In the seventies, they went to India 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:28.720 with Shirley and wrote about past life regression. In the 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:32.360 eighties they got into antioxidants before anybody knew about it. 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.800 They were at the head of every curve. They were 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:40.480 not just about and they invented the iPad. They did not. 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:57.160 I admire them because they were true bohemian. This is 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.720 Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the Thing. More 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:04.400 from my conversation with Erica Jong and Molly Young Fast 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:26.240 coming up in a minute. I'm Alec Baldwin and you're 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.920 listening to Here's the Thing. I'm talking with writer Erica 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:37.440 Jong and her daughter Molly Young Fast. Do me if 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:40.520 I ever, don't comment on this until she finishes. Describe 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:48.360 your relationship with your mother, don't snicker. Pleasant. She's very supportive, 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:51.120 are you? What are you talking about? She's very supportive. 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:55.600 She's talking about you like like she's your husband's ex pat. 0:10:56.440 --> 0:11:00.439 Julie and I have a very pleasant relationship, affable chart. No, 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.480 my mother has always been phenomenal with me, so supportive. 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:05.240 I don't give her things to read because she says 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.040 to me, she calls me if it says, how much 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.960 of a genius are you? She's very supportive. How would 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:15.559 you describe your relationship with Molly? I absolutely adore her. 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:20.520 Beyond that. Beyond that, I think she's I think she's smart. 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.200 I think she's funny. I think she has incredibly good judgment. 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:31.559 I've watched her grow and emotionally, and she has bearded 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:35.000 some dragons that were very hard. What do you disagree 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:41.560 about everything? Everything? Something? Give me something primary consistent. I 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:45.120 think of her is very reactionary liberal, and I'm much 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:48.080 more conservative in certain ways. I go more towards the 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:51.800 libertarian side politically. Yeah, do you think that some of 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.760 your conservatism and this is a long shot, maybe, but 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.559 do you think some of your you know, even mild 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:01.199 case of of being more conservative in your stems from 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:04.440 your reaction to her kind of the kind of sexual 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:13.880 drums she was beating throughout her I was not beating 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:16.760 a sexual what were you doing. I was trying to 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:20.840 write honestly about the way a young woman thinks and feels. 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:26.800 And because our society is so curiously puritanical, people took 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:31.000 that honest book, which got inside a woman's fantasy life, 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:34.120 her marital life, and so and they took it as 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:38.040 a horny book. And I am truly disappointed that the 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:40.720 closest person in the world to me has bought into 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:44.560 that view. I was trying to write honestly about how 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:49.240 a young woman thinks and feels. Because of our puritanism, 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:54.160 it was construed as a horny book. I it devastates 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.760 me that my daughter buys that image. But okay, she 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:00.959 doesn't have to be my literary critic. She's my daughter 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.040 and I love her and she can do no wrong. 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:08.080 I hope that someday she will read my work and 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.400 see that that was not what I was doing. Daughters 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.080 do torture you in a way that I mean that 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:16.040 sons are not capable of, in my opinion. But I 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.240 also think that my mom's legacy to me was about 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.360 being honest and how important it is to be honest. 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:22.760 And I do really hate you know, that kind of 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:26.200 pretension or falseness, and that is something that really has 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:32.199 been your legacy. Um, this is obviously an important subject 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.440 for me because I have a daughter, and that is 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:40.079 What do you think of the state of female sexuality 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:44.040 in the culture today. I think they're overwhelmed with a 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:49.080 false image of sexuality before before they're emotionally ready to 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:53.040 deal with it. I think they um they're told that 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:57.240 giving blow jobs in class is not sex, which is 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:01.439 not true. They use their manipulation and of boy's sexuality 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.320 as a power trip to get even with men for 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.360 the other power men have. But I think to be 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:10.440 a young woman today of the of your daughter's age 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:15.920 is a very sticky wicket, and I think that you 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:21.040 really need a parent who can guide you. How would 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:23.160 they guide them to tell them that what they see 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.880 around them in the media is not true, because I 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.520 try to do that. If I were dealing with your daughter, 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.760 I would try to reassure her that this is a 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.920 very confusing time of life. I don't and that what 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:39.200 she sees around her as incredibly confusing. Most of the women, 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:43.040 the young women are as confused as she and are 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:47.640 showing off by pretending to not be confused. And I 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:51.200 would try to convey to her how difficult adolescence is, 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:55.080 how many messages are coming at her at once, and 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:58.560 how hard it is to make sense of it. That's 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:00.600 what I would do. I planned to do that with 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:04.880 my granddaughter, who I'm sure we'll say something cynical to me. 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:07.080 But I also think some of it is you just 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.120 as you can't hear that kind of thing from a 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:12.040 parent at I mean, maybe there are some kids who can. 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:17.400 I never could, you know, I'm not entirely sure. I 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.720 had a beloved child psychiatrist growing up, who I really 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:25.280 liked a lot, and I think maybe that's possible, or 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.560 a teacher or a school, so maybe the parent can't 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.200 really say those things. I think it's right, and I 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:35.160 also think we don't automatically know how to behave. It's 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.280 primarily different from when you wrote your earlier books. What's 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.920 changed for the media is more all pervasive, and the 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:46.360 image of women is even more confusing than it's ever been. 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.640 And on the one hand, you're supposed to look like 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:55.360 a fashion model retouched, and on the other hand, you're 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:59.920 supposed to claim to a sophistication you don't and count 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:02.600 i'd have at that age. And I think that women 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:07.040 who are fourteen fifteen are in the most difficult position 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.920 they have ever been in modern society. What do you 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.280 think about that? I mean, I agree, I think there's 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:15.440 a lot of sexuality. I think it's not explained to 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:19.440 young girls in a way, very confusing, Molly. But I 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:21.960 think that's a legacy of the feminist movement. I mean, 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.360 we said we want a legacy of the feminist movement. 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:28.240 It is a legacy, and here I really feel fierce. 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:33.040 It is the legacy of a distortion of women's desire 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:37.800 for equal rights. Equal rights are not platform shoes and 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:41.680 naked clothes. But you can't blow up an atom bomb 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.120 and then choose how it's going to go. But just 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.760 saying we did not blow up that atom bomb. The 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:52.720 media took our legitimate desire for equality and turned it 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.840 into garbage. But they turned it into what the people wanted. 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:57.880 First of all, I don't think they wouldn't exist. It 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:02.600 wouldn't exist. People don't buy the media the people want. 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.880 We'll be back in a moment. After word from sponsored 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:10.000 Victoria's secret. I disagree. I also think, first of all, 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:12.560 this is what the people want. People buy Britney spears 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.080 because they want them. No, no, no, no, did he? 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.240 This is what I disagree. I blame the media, and 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:19.440 I blame the entertainment industry, and I blame that whole 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:21.480 matrix for all of it. I think of the most 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:26.800 absurd person from the past. If you took content Floss 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:30.240 and put him on Glee, he'd become a gay icon today. 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:34.080 You are so right, content Flass. I think it's brilliant. 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.480 If the Internet had existed when content Flass was here, 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:41.679 everybody would be worshiping Canton Floss. You can't and it 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:47.200 has nothing to do with fear, I love. You can't 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:51.520 control what people are going to do, what people want, 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.919 This is what is thrust upon them, and it has 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:57.919 nothing to do with First of all, you are the media, 0:17:58.119 --> 0:17:59.879 and you are the media, and I am and so 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:04.280 affected the media. So I disagree with you, and I 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:06.119 don't want to get off on media. That's subject. I mean, 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.080 I take a paycheck from media companies to do what 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:10.840 they pay me to do, but I'm not responsible for 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:14.000 everything else they do. Let's just say this. You take 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.399 the top women in entertainment, and I'm gonna be generous. 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:19.879 I'll say half one half of them really have talent. 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:25.360 Mariah Carey really can sing, Beyonce Knowles really can sing. 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:27.719 But then there's the other half. They have no talent. 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:31.560 It's all electronically enhanced. It's all about many people who 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:36.200 are talentlest But I think the interpretation of of our 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:42.080 of sexuality and our culture is so twisted. Sexuality is 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:50.520 actually is true intimacy with another person that sometimes results 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:55.640 and genitals getting together and sometimes does not. Why are 0:18:55.640 --> 0:19:05.439 you so cynical awful? I'm no she doesn't. You're the 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:10.399 one saying lubricants and dolls and ben wabbles. I don't 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:12.800 even think that's sex. I think that if you have 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.720 real intimacy with somebody, he can touch you here and 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.480 you get excited. He can touch you on your neck, 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:22.119 he can hold your hand in the movies. Later on, 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:26.000 I'll show you the spot I touch. People have no 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:29.399 idea what sexuality really is. I can talk with you 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:32.199 about sex for a couple more hours. Well, let's do 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:45.719 it next time, okay. Erica Young and Molly gen Fast. 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:48.679 They say they have toyed with the idea of writing 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:53.200 something together many times, but both agree they probably never will. 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:59.800 It would be just the end of our relationship. This 0:19:59.880 --> 0:20:02.880 is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to here's the thing.