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Speaker 4: Now your hosts Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and
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Speaker 5: Shooting Tuesday, not victory Tuesday.
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Speaker 4: There's nobody out there.
Speaker 6: It's kind of dark.
Speaker 4: Outside Fort Senate at the Star in Frisco, Texas.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 4: At least winners got here. It's forty nine degrees feels
Speaker 4: like thirty three. The highest fifty one. The low is
Speaker 4: thirty seven.
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Speaker 3: Chris, I gotta look into that, Okay, soon though, huh
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Speaker 4: But man, lots to talk about, Jesse, this, this is
Speaker 4: gonna be a show for you. We got to talk
Speaker 4: special teams with all the special got talk, so we'll
Speaker 4: get into that in a minute. Kurt, how are you
Speaker 4: you good?
Speaker 8: Good?
Speaker 6: Good?
Speaker 4: Jesse good?
Speaker 1: Nate?
Speaker 4: I like your fit too, How are you?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I'm great?
Speaker 8: Man?
Speaker 4: How cold was it out there?
Speaker 6: It was just pretty pretty breezy? Yeah it waseze, babe, boy,
Speaker 6: I'm good, I'm good. We rat where we need to
Speaker 6: be right now. Not on the field.
Speaker 7: Your boy, your boy helpless ain't help us yesterday?
Speaker 6: Who is my boy? You?
Speaker 7: You out like a game like yesterday. I don't know
Speaker 7: what side of the fencer you want. Are you salivating
Speaker 7: Joe Burrow or are you upset over your boy? I'm
Speaker 7: just coach from Pittsburgh of destructstruck.
Speaker 4: He got to see some some fresh blood on the
Speaker 4: offensive line. You have to see the young guys play,
Speaker 4: which probably soon we'll get to see a lot more
Speaker 4: of the young guys playing but initial thoughts. Kurt just
Speaker 4: on the game. It was close, by the way. Congratulations
Speaker 4: to the Voice of Reason, the only person on the
Speaker 4: show to pick the being to win. He had the
Speaker 4: Bengals thirty three Cowboys.
Speaker 7: I don't want to all the time. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 7: want to.
Speaker 4: Jesse Holly special teams guru that will break.
Speaker 7: Down what you call it didn't come true though.
Speaker 4: It did not. Gessei has more than fifty yards and
Speaker 4: six or more catches. Yea, so he did not.
Speaker 7: He did not. He had three for twenty four, but
Speaker 7: he didn't need to.
Speaker 4: Chase said, hold my beard, I got you. I got
Speaker 4: your back.
Speaker 7: B Yeah, I got more than what I got. I
Speaker 7: got what you want. I got what you needed.
Speaker 4: It was fun to watch. If you're a Bengals fan,
Speaker 4: you know the roof was open, it was beautiful. The
Speaker 4: Simpsons simulcast was going on.
Speaker 7: Check I didn't.
Speaker 8: I turned it off for about five minutes. I heard.
Speaker 4: It wasn't terrible.
Speaker 8: No, it was actually better than I thought.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was prisile.
Speaker 9: I mean the technology was getting an actual game playing
Speaker 9: and leads to Simpson run for the Homer.
Speaker 4: Intercepted bar Yeah, it was really cool, but Kurt initial
Speaker 4: thoughts kick us off.
Speaker 9: Well, it was disappointing for sure. I mean, you hate
Speaker 9: to lose close when the game you had a chance
Speaker 9: to win so close. No, it's so close. So yeah,
Speaker 9: but you know, besides that, the injuries on top of
Speaker 9: that made it even even worse.
Speaker 4: Thoughts and thoughts definitely go out to overshell Man talking
Speaker 4: about it just hurt. That hurt my soul. Yeah, especially
Speaker 4: when you heard this morning that it might trickle over
Speaker 4: into next year.
Speaker 7: So yeah, I just Mozzie screwed us again.
Speaker 6: Hell, I don't say that. I don't say that.
Speaker 9: Well, I mean, and it just seems, you know, like
Speaker 9: the final nail and whatever.
Speaker 7: Hopes there were.
Speaker 4: Mathematically you're still alive.
Speaker 8: Still alive.
Speaker 5: But you know, yeah, what about you, Nate Overall thoughts,
Speaker 5: I'm good man, all right, Yes, you know.
Speaker 8: What side of the fence he's on. Then I guess.
Speaker 4: It's in the past.
Speaker 7: You know, good teams find different ways to win football.
Speaker 7: Get look at Kansas City, look at Detroit, look at Philadelphia.
Speaker 7: Bad teams find different ways to lose games. And I
Speaker 7: think you saw, you know, look at Carolina, look at
Speaker 7: the Bengals, and they're losing streak and look at the Cowboys.
Speaker 7: It's it's it's a consistent pattern of the comedy of
Speaker 7: eerrors that happened throughout a game, whether it be from
Speaker 7: the sideline, from coaching, whether it be on the field,
Speaker 7: from players. You just see those things continue to pop
Speaker 7: up in moments where you need guys to be at
Speaker 7: their best. Sometimes you just need guys to do simple
Speaker 7: things and they they they don't and your team loses
Speaker 7: because of it. And there are I mean when you
Speaker 7: go back and you watch this game. Even when I
Speaker 7: got in late last night from doing my post game show,
Speaker 7: couldn't sleep, just you know, adrenaline is going. You're just up,
Speaker 7: you know, trying to calm your mind. And I start
Speaker 7: watching some of the game back last night, and you
Speaker 7: just start seeing, man like this was this, this, this, this,
Speaker 7: and and no one thing is you can say loses
Speaker 7: games for you, but there are definite things where you
Speaker 7: look at and you go, this is what happens to
Speaker 7: bad football teams. Yeah, so such as life. In the
Speaker 7: words of the great Bill Parcells, you are what's your
Speaker 7: record says you are?
Speaker 6: You are tough?
Speaker 7: One man?
Speaker 8: What about you?
Speaker 7: I mean.
Speaker 6: This dude, you see his dress? Tell you about it.
Speaker 6: He's ready to go up in the Marcasall Hills and
Speaker 6: hide Mexico.
Speaker 7: What I read.
Speaker 4: I foreshadowed this season by booking my trip, and you know,
Speaker 4: but I do that every year. I mean, it was hard,
Speaker 4: It was it was heartbreaking. The injuries were tough, and
Speaker 4: for the first time this year, I you could feel
Speaker 4: this meant something to the guys. You know, you see
Speaker 4: Michael on the sideline and at first when when you know,
Speaker 4: the special teams play happened, and Mike's over there waving
Speaker 4: his hands and he's like, come on, manute, like you know,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I was kind of upset because I
Speaker 4: was like, he's he's basically calling his teammate out on
Speaker 4: national TV without saying anything about it. But then the
Speaker 4: game ended and he went straight to the locker. He
Speaker 4: wasn't swapping jerseys, he wasn't out there yucking it up,
Speaker 4: and I was like, you know what, good showing some
Speaker 4: like showing some emotion, pissed off like mad. You know,
Speaker 4: maybe this is the spark that like turns him into
Speaker 4: a dog, you know, because we always talk about he'll
Speaker 4: go on his pocket and we'll see tonight if he
Speaker 4: has his podcast what he says, But this meant something
Speaker 4: to him. And it's weird because they're basically out of
Speaker 4: the playoffs. There was almost no hope. But they were
Speaker 4: pissed last night. They were upset.
Speaker 9: It was like, you know, there's the worst losses, maybe
Speaker 9: worse than the last year's playoff, you know, and this one,
Speaker 9: that's what he said. He said, it maybe felt worse
Speaker 9: than last year's playoff.
Speaker 7: Long he got a concussion, So I mean, you gotta
Speaker 7: he gotta check that man. For there's three losses this
Speaker 7: season that was worse than what happened last year.
Speaker 9: I think I wondered if it was more like and
Speaker 9: those losses, they are so blown out by the fourth quarter,
Speaker 9: they've already kind of gone to the emotions of this sucked.
Speaker 4: They had dealt with it, Yeah, when they had dealt
Speaker 4: with it.
Speaker 8: Were this one was still kind of fresh and raw.
Speaker 8: They went right in the long and you.
Speaker 4: And you it was right there and they probably have
Speaker 4: heard about Joe Burrow all week long and Jamar Chase
Speaker 4: and they had.
Speaker 7: Him beat and then they had him beat.
Speaker 4: Well you could have I mean, you had a chance
Speaker 4: to beat him, you know, I mean, you had a chance.
Speaker 7: To Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow did what they wanted. Yeah,
Speaker 7: throughout that game. I mean, Joe Burrow was over three
Speaker 7: hundred yards passing. It was looking he looked great. I mean,
Speaker 7: Michael was partners of Michael was upset. Mike had a
Speaker 7: really good game. He had nine pressures, the only second
Speaker 7: time in his career where he had at least nine
Speaker 7: pressures and no sacks. He was chasing Joe Burrow all
Speaker 7: day long and could not get to him like that.
Speaker 7: That's part of the frustration as well, frien him. He's like, man,
Speaker 7: I'm out here humping and working my tail off to
Speaker 7: try to get to this joker, and I can't get
Speaker 7: to him. And then on the back end he's completing passes.
Speaker 7: So it's like I'm trying, We're trying. I'm definitely trying,
Speaker 7: and we I'm unsuccessful, and then I'm getting no help
Speaker 7: on the back end because he's throwing dots to Jamar Chase.
Speaker 7: I mean, when you go fourteen for one to seventy
Speaker 7: seven to two touchdowns.
Speaker 6: You know, yeah, he did it so smooth. He did
Speaker 6: it so smooth that one seventy seven and the way
Speaker 6: that Joe Burrows would let Michael just think he got it.
Speaker 6: I'm like a mat at all. I remember one time
Speaker 6: Michael was coming from the right side. He waited till
Speaker 6: it last second. Man, it just duck. These shoulders stepped up.
Speaker 6: I don't say to myself that right there is priceless
Speaker 6: fellas you would die, not nover manter, that's too strong
Speaker 6: word you would as a coach to be at the
Speaker 6: end of a game. Both coaches sitting over there. All
Speaker 6: we need is one play and Jesse's gonna break this
Speaker 6: play down some time during our show. And uh, but
Speaker 6: you can't tell me. I don't be You don't been
Speaker 6: in these game with brother. Who gonna make this play?
Speaker 6: One with the dummy or the smart and who's gonna
Speaker 6: but who's gonna make this play? You couldn't tell me.
Speaker 6: You you you can go. This game makes you tired
Speaker 6: because it's the roller coaster of emotions. Is so great.
Speaker 6: And regardless of what you think about uh uh, Cincinnati's defense,
Speaker 6: they were playing. They were playing tough. Regardless of what
Speaker 6: you thought about our offense. They was hanging in there,
Speaker 6: they was they was, they was moving the ball down
Speaker 6: the field, they were sputtering out, They was making some
Speaker 6: bad plays coaches and players, but to get on with
Speaker 6: a minute or two left and this thing twenty twenty,
Speaker 6: and you can make the difference. You can make the difference.
Speaker 6: And that is where me and Jessic gonna always be
Speaker 6: on the same page. When my Joel's it is better
Speaker 6: than your Joe.
Speaker 10: Come on man, literally yes, yes, yeah, tougher man, tough,
Speaker 10: tough to I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4: If like that was that game?
Speaker 6: Do you need a cleansing?
Speaker 4: Almost meant nothing, like, okay, you win it, so what
Speaker 4: you won, you put three together, but it just it
Speaker 4: was just so defeating.
Speaker 7: You know, to us only outside. Now I sit on
Speaker 7: the outside. Now it means nothing. Those guys, it means
Speaker 7: everything right there. Because they win that game last night.
Speaker 7: That's three in a row. They're still believing. The hope
Speaker 7: is still there, the joy in going out and playing
Speaker 7: again is still there. And now you start looking around,
Speaker 7: you like, hold on, we can get four. It gets Carolina,
Speaker 7: you know, then maybe a fifth forgets and then the
Speaker 7: last two we'll we'll see how that goes and maybe
Speaker 7: we get some help. Maybe they you know, Philadelphia might
Speaker 7: be imploding again. What they got going on with their
Speaker 7: receiver and and and and uh and quarterback and what
Speaker 7: some other guys are saying about it. So that still
Speaker 7: gives you hope. And the one thing I do want
Speaker 7: to I want to say before we go to break
Speaker 7: because we we we laughingly joke about it, Fans talk
Speaker 7: about it and push forward and you know they got
Speaker 7: tank websites and all that kind of sh stuff. And
Speaker 7: another thing that Nate and I will always agree on.
Speaker 7: You start talking about tanking man, and you know when
Speaker 7: it doesn't matter, what does it matter? Dumarron overshow might might?
Speaker 7: We don't know what his injury is. He can probably
Speaker 7: never play football again. You think he's thinking about tanking
Speaker 7: a game. And that's what we're talking about from a
Speaker 7: player's perspective, is you are playing in a one hundred
Speaker 7: percent hurt business. Now. I hope and I pray like legitimately.
Speaker 7: I ain't just talking like I legitimately prayed that for him,
Speaker 7: and I hope that this young man is able to
Speaker 7: come back from what this injury is. But when you
Speaker 7: start talking about ligaments and and and stuff like that,
Speaker 7: that's that's that's serious. That ain't just that we go
Speaker 7: back in there. We just you know, we fix the ACL.
Speaker 7: You know doctor Cooper can do that in his sleep, right, Like,
Speaker 7: oh yeah, ACL, But we'll do that. When you start
Speaker 7: talking about ligaments, now you start needing things to refire
Speaker 7: and rejuvenate and those things get working again. That's a
Speaker 7: fifty to fifty crapshoot. That's not guaranteed when they go
Speaker 7: in there that they're gonna just all work back together
Speaker 7: as one and everything's gonna be hunky dory and we're
Speaker 7: gonna get out of here. So when people talk about, oh, tank, tank, tank,
Speaker 7: lose game, lose game, lose games, what does it matter?
Speaker 7: What does it matter? That's why it matters. That's why
Speaker 7: guys go out there each and every week because and
Speaker 7: you know why it was so devastating to guys like Micah,
Speaker 7: to guys like Kendricks and other folks. While that locker
Speaker 7: room seems so dim and I said this earlier. You
Speaker 7: take a guy like Eric Kendricks who's been in this
Speaker 7: league for ten years. What sometimes happens is that you
Speaker 7: lose the joy of football. It becomes a job, and
Speaker 7: you sometimes are searching and trying to find that youth
Speaker 7: full joy that you once had when you were a
Speaker 7: first year guy, when you or a second year god
Speaker 7: that dies at times, not for everybody, but a lot
Speaker 7: of times, that joy dies and you it becomes work.
Speaker 7: And then you insert a guy like Demarvin Overshown who
Speaker 7: had that youthful joy, who played with that youthful fun spirit,
Speaker 7: who gave you the good feeling again. And when you're
Speaker 7: a veteran guy like that, and I'll put Mike in
Speaker 7: that mixture. He's been around for a little bit. And
Speaker 7: then because when you're losing and things aren't going right
Speaker 7: like it makes it difficult to come to work. And
Speaker 7: then you get around a guy like like like Themarian
Speaker 7: and you go, it's fun again. That's what That's what
Speaker 7: it means. That's what it means, not all. You know,
Speaker 7: you get involved with the business and people start telling
Speaker 7: you when trying to you know, tell you what you're
Speaker 7: worth and what you're not worth, and all the other
Speaker 7: kind of stuff that kills the joy. That that kills
Speaker 7: the joy from it all. And then you're able to
Speaker 7: get back in the situation from God that you see
Speaker 7: in that locker room and going, that's the joy that
Speaker 7: I need to give back to. You told me about
Speaker 7: two months ago about a situation and you said, you said, Jesse,
Speaker 7: you're one of the most positive people that I know,
Speaker 7: but this situation it's tearing you down.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 7: And I went home with that and I said, you're right,
Speaker 7: that won't that. I cannot give that thing any more
Speaker 7: of my positive Villa can't take my joy. And you
Speaker 7: insert a guy liked Maarian and he goes he's he's
Speaker 7: inserted joy. He's giving joy back to football when he
Speaker 7: goes out there in the practice field and he's running
Speaker 7: around and he's enthusiastic and he's yelling and he's that's
Speaker 7: why guys felt that way about him last night. So
Speaker 7: when you're thinking about and talking about tanking and you
Speaker 7: hear Nate on myself say things Abody like I don't
Speaker 7: know about that, it's because you never know. In this business,
Speaker 7: that's one hundred hurt. I've said this before and I'll
Speaker 7: say it again. Sometimes in this game it takes from
Speaker 7: you more than you're willing to give, and you don't
Speaker 7: have a say so winning and Marvin will be dealing
Speaker 7: with this second ACL injury plus whatever the other thing
Speaker 7: that has to happen with that. It's a it's a
Speaker 7: tough deal.
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Speaker 4: All right, do we want to break the play down
Speaker 4: or we want to wait till you later.
Speaker 6: Come on, let's just get it out Jesse.
Speaker 4: All right, we have our special teams here, and he
Speaker 4: didn't talk enough in the first segment, so we'll let
Speaker 4: him have the whole second segment, hopefully not maybe have
Speaker 4: a segment to break down because when we came in,
Speaker 4: I asked Jesse off the air, because we like to
Speaker 4: bring our off the air.
Speaker 7: That's what we do nothing.
Speaker 4: That's why we're called Hanging with the boys, because there's
Speaker 4: nothing off limits. We just whatever we talk about, we
Speaker 4: talk about. If he felt bad.
Speaker 7: We'll bring that infection you got next week. Do what
Speaker 7: an infection you telling us?
Speaker 4: About oh yeah, yeah, that can wait. It's not that
Speaker 4: imortant if he felt if he felt bad for uh
Speaker 4: A warrior, A warrior, thank you for the help, and
Speaker 4: he said absolutely not. So one walk us through what happened,
Speaker 4: because we there's been a lot of talk about what
Speaker 4: Jerry said right after the game about you know, we
Speaker 4: would like to have that one back, and you know,
Speaker 4: in all this and everybody's if you listen to the
Speaker 4: local media around here, everybody's losing their mind. Like I
Speaker 4: don't thought Jerry for say that, because right after the game,
Speaker 4: he doesn't have all the information, like he's just watching
Speaker 4: as a fan, and then he goes back and gets
Speaker 4: between you and I.
Speaker 7: That's why he probably shouldn't be talking.
Speaker 4: Hey, but hey, it's good for us because we have
Speaker 4: things to talk about. But you know, he doesn't have
Speaker 4: all the information. And then you know, he goes and
Speaker 4: gets it and then it is what it is. But
Speaker 4: in the heat of the moment, it's like, hey, you know,
Speaker 4: he thought they were trying to block a punt in
Speaker 4: that situation, didn't agree with it, said it, and then
Speaker 4: he got more information and he kind of just everybody
Speaker 4: around here is losing their minds. I don't have a
Speaker 4: problem with it. But Jesse walk us through what that
Speaker 4: play was, what it was supposed to be. Is a
Speaker 4: big deal being made about They didn't have the pump
Speaker 4: block on, but they were able to get to it.
Speaker 4: Why does that make a difference? And then was it
Speaker 4: a blown assignment?
Speaker 6: Should you know?
Speaker 4: Obviously everybody should have just gotten away. But you tell
Speaker 4: us from your point of view, knowing how that works,
Speaker 4: how do you practice it, what do you do during practice,
Speaker 4: and why that shouldn't happen.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So let's start with you know, look at the
Speaker 7: down and distance and where you're at on the football field. Right,
Speaker 7: the game is in, it's in balance, right, it's twenty twenty.
Speaker 7: At that point in time, the defense gets to stop, right,
Speaker 7: they get to stop now. The Bengals are coming out
Speaker 7: to punt the ball. Just for any for clarity, there
Speaker 7: was not a pump block on. They were setting up
Speaker 7: the return one. You can tell they're seting up a
Speaker 7: re term because they ended up vicing the left gunner,
Speaker 7: which is so the gunner is a guy who you
Speaker 7: see on the outside like a receiver. They're running out
Speaker 7: and trying to the first guy down there. So uh,
Speaker 7: that's where that's where Oorea is and Kemon Hall. You
Speaker 7: see the other two guys to two off backers off
Speaker 7: and inside on the punt return to vice means two
Speaker 7: guys on one.
Speaker 4: Guy guy grab him and try to assault.
Speaker 7: It's basically assault and they let you just assault the
Speaker 7: guy you know, all the way down the field. And
Speaker 7: and so what ends up happening is you see them
Speaker 7: do a little bit of a shift. But that's just
Speaker 7: the numbers. When you start looking at the numbers, there's
Speaker 7: enough guys for the Bengals to block whoever the Cowboys
Speaker 7: were gonna send. There was no blitz happening. Once you
Speaker 7: see the ball is snapped, you see them set up
Speaker 7: a return. They're trying to get a return because at
Speaker 7: the end of the day, they know indoors, Brandon Aubrey's
Speaker 7: good for sixty five plus Like you, you kind of
Speaker 7: have that in your back pocket, so we can get
Speaker 7: any any bit of return because from where they were
Speaker 7: punting from, you wasn't gonna really be able to flip
Speaker 7: the field that much. Too successful plays. And now I'm
Speaker 7: in field goal range. I can run this thing out.
Speaker 7: Brandon Aubrey come in and kick the other game in
Speaker 7: the field goal. Now what you saw was Nick Visual
Speaker 7: who just flat out whooped the guard. The guard lunge
Speaker 7: Nick Visual got around. Now this is me being nitpicky.
Speaker 7: But when you start talking about the details within the game,
Speaker 7: So Nick Visual whoops the guard and he's supposed to
Speaker 7: continue on. But what you saw Nick do and this
Speaker 7: is not me blaming Nick. I'm giving you the nitpicky
Speaker 7: details of how you're supposed to block a punt. When
Speaker 7: you watch the play Nick, hands are up and he
Speaker 7: swipes down. Okay, what you're taught is if you have
Speaker 7: the ability to block a punt, we don't want to
Speaker 7: go hands up. We don't want to swipe down one.
Speaker 7: We might miss it. If our hands are apart, you
Speaker 7: might miss it and kicks it right through your hands.
Speaker 7: What's you're taught is like a diver, like think Michael
Speaker 7: Phelps when he goes off of the platform. You're thinking
Speaker 7: about this, right, Your hands are supposed to look like
Speaker 7: this so that there is no space for that ball
Speaker 7: to get through. My eyes down are on the foot
Speaker 7: of the punter. I want to take the I want
Speaker 7: to take the ball off the foot of the punter.
Speaker 7: So when I come in. I don't want to come
Speaker 7: swiping down because if I miss the punter, I want
Speaker 7: to take the ball right off his foot because if
Speaker 7: I get it, the double thug poo poo. Even if
Speaker 7: I hit him doesn't matter. But if I don't get it,
Speaker 7: his foot goes up. I go underneath him. No flag.
Speaker 7: So what Nick did? He gets through, but you see
Speaker 7: his hands are up and he swipes down. Now here's
Speaker 7: also why it's important. If Nick comes in with the
Speaker 7: diver hands right when he gets the ball, the ball
Speaker 7: now goes this way, and it's behind the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 7: So even if you try to get on it and
Speaker 7: don't get on it, they don't get the ball back.
Speaker 7: But Nick comes up, swipes down, ball goes off his fingertips,
Speaker 7: and now the ball proceeds to go past the line
Speaker 7: of scrimmage. But what it also did was when you
Speaker 7: start talking about the way that that weird the ball
Speaker 7: was spinning, it was because it caught the fingertips of
Speaker 7: Nick's hand. Now the second part about it. You're outside,
Speaker 7: if you're a wall error in your keymon hall and
Speaker 7: you're vising right, you hear the double thud. You hear it.
Speaker 7: I've I've had a punt blocked on me fingertips. You
Speaker 7: hear it, you hear it. And then on top of that,
Speaker 7: someone is probably yelling Peter, Peter, Peter, or poison, poison, poison.
Speaker 7: You hope it's the guys who are able to see
Speaker 7: the ball, mainly being Cavante Turpin. And you see Cavante
Speaker 7: running up the field, and I'm hoping that he's yelling Peter, Peter, Peter, poison, poison, poison, either.
Speaker 4: One, which means get the hell away from the get.
Speaker 7: Away from the ball. You don't want to touch poison,
Speaker 7: you don't want to touch the Peter, right, neither one
Speaker 7: of them. That's the origin of Peter, Peter, Peter. And
Speaker 7: so now if you watch it, Keemon Hall stops. Now
Speaker 7: he and Oreate are vising they're together. He stops and
Speaker 7: gets out the way Oi turns, and when you watch him,
Speaker 7: the ball bounces side note oriate. If you want to
Speaker 7: know how it's done, just go back and watch me
Speaker 7: do it. And the Vikings game a couple of years ago,
Speaker 7: a lot of years ago. And that's how you catch
Speaker 7: a two bouncer and take it back a yards for
Speaker 7: a touchdown. Now that's either way.
Speaker 4: But you see, I always make the show about myself.
Speaker 7: You gave me the you gave me the one. I
Speaker 7: brought it up. So you see O warreate. And this
Speaker 7: is where this is where you have to understand.
Speaker 6: Dude.
Speaker 7: When you hit balichex, say do your job. I don't
Speaker 7: need you to be the hero here. What we now
Speaker 7: need is for that ball to stay hours. But a
Speaker 7: warrior looks at the ball and you see him get
Speaker 7: into a curt your baseball guy. He gets it to
Speaker 7: that shortstop stands and he's he's ready to kind of
Speaker 7: attack that ball like you're gonna catch it and throw it.
Speaker 7: Throw a guy out at first right home. And you
Speaker 7: see him looking at the ball and he's getting ready
Speaker 7: to attack it. And the ball bounces and the second bounce,
Speaker 7: remember that weird spin I was telling you about. On
Speaker 7: the second bounce, he caught the weird looking spin and
Speaker 7: he thought it was gonna cradle right into his gut.
Speaker 7: Instead it bounced and took the weird spin and it
Speaker 7: went off his He was trying to like scoop it
Speaker 7: and it went off his his arm, shoulder, whatever it was,
Speaker 7: and they were able to get the ball back. Here's
Speaker 7: another funny thing. The guy that Nick visual beat, he
Speaker 7: lost his job and got it back in ten seconds.
Speaker 7: The guard that Nick vigiill beat number forty five was
Speaker 7: actually the same guy who recovered the ball after a
Speaker 7: Warria touched it. So and people are gonna say, well,
Speaker 7: Bone should have said to him, don't do No, that's
Speaker 7: not a conversation they're having about that, because Bones is like,
Speaker 7: we got a return set up, so I don't have
Speaker 7: to tell y'all, hey say off the punter. No, da
Speaker 7: da a Warea is a six year guy, been in
Speaker 7: this league. And I want people to understand this as well,
Speaker 7: because people say, well, he just got brought up and
Speaker 7: he only paid X amount of snaps. On special teams,
Speaker 7: I'm gonna tell you right now. Unless you are unless
Speaker 7: you are Dak Prescott, unless you are whoever like, unless
Speaker 7: you're CD Lamb and sometimes even Cede Lamb are in
Speaker 7: these special teams meetings. If the meeting consists of hands teams,
Speaker 7: if the meeting consists of if you have some pump
Speaker 7: return or kickoff return responsibilities, you're in these special team meetings. Now,
Speaker 7: those days differ from each one. But a Warria is
Speaker 7: a guy who you don't have the privilege of not
Speaker 7: being these meetings, because even if you're on the practice squad,
Speaker 7: you're in these specialties meetings because you're learning what the
Speaker 7: other team is going to be doing so that when
Speaker 7: you go out to the practice field and you're on
Speaker 7: the scout squad, you're giving the starting squad the best look.
Speaker 7: So you've heard all of these things being talked about
Speaker 7: throughout the meetings, about when the ball goes past the
Speaker 7: line of scrimmage and I touch it, you know all
Speaker 7: these things, and to be honest, they always tell the
Speaker 7: gunners that, hey, don't get away from the ball, Like,
Speaker 7: if we wanted you to return the ball, we would
Speaker 7: have made you the returner if we block it behind
Speaker 7: the line of scrimmage. Yes, scoop and score. So he's
Speaker 7: heard the messages before in training camp, in OTA's and
Speaker 7: mini camps, and even at some point in time during
Speaker 7: the season. So this wasn't one of the bones fossil
Speaker 7: kind of you know, gaffs that he has put out
Speaker 7: this year. This was a player looking at a moment
Speaker 7: and saying I could be the hero, and instead of
Speaker 7: him being the hero, he now became the villain and
Speaker 7: a loss for the Cowboys because all he had to
Speaker 7: do was get out the way, and he got more
Speaker 7: than enough time to get out the way, and he
Speaker 7: tried to go make a play and he screwed it up.
Speaker 4: Should have listened to ludicrous move.
Speaker 9: Get out the way, and you explained it better. That
Speaker 9: was my question, because I've read somewhere that this was
Speaker 9: his although he probably had special teams experience in past,
Speaker 9: this was his first game on the punt return come
Speaker 9: out in the meaning and I thought, you know, if
Speaker 9: you're you know, your back to the game or whatever,
Speaker 9: and you just turn around and it's you and the ball.
Speaker 9: I mean he had space, Yeah, but it isn't that
Speaker 9: the natural I guess that's the difference between doing it
Speaker 9: right wrong professional. Your natural reaction is there's the ball, your.
Speaker 7: National action to get out the way, like you've been talking,
Speaker 7: that's the natural reaction. That's the natural reaction. You get
Speaker 7: out the way.
Speaker 4: So this wasn't not knowing the rules.
Speaker 7: This was just this was a guy trying to This
Speaker 7: was a guy trying to make a play. This was
Speaker 7: a guy trying to make a play in a tight game,
Speaker 7: and he cost you. It cost you because when you
Speaker 7: go back and you watch the play, and I know
Speaker 7: Nate has his iPad, we can pull a play up.
Speaker 7: But when you go back and you watch the play,
Speaker 7: you see him like it's enough time where you see
Speaker 7: him he's almost crow hopping, like he's crow hopping to
Speaker 7: time it up, to scoop it and try to run
Speaker 7: through again. That second bounce. He didn't anticipate it being
Speaker 7: as quick and as jolting as it was, and so
Speaker 7: he crow hopped like like like a shortstop, like a
Speaker 7: shortstop would do at a base hit coming his way.
Speaker 7: That that crow hop, I'm gonna pick it up routinely,
Speaker 7: gonna do it. And that ball took a weird spin
Speaker 7: and it jumped up on him and instead of being
Speaker 7: a baseball where you can kind of corral it inside
Speaker 7: your chest, it was a football, unblunng ball, you know,
Speaker 7: bounce the different ways on this turf.
Speaker 4: What happened after the after the game, some players didn't
Speaker 4: let the media talk to him.
Speaker 9: I think the media was waiting to talk to him,
Speaker 9: and C. J. Goodwin stood up and said, you know, no,
Speaker 9: he's not talking today. We're not we're not doing negativity.
Speaker 9: And I guess sound like some other guys kind of
Speaker 9: spoke up to and said, no, he doesn't he's not talking.
Speaker 7: They went, yeah, that part I don't like either. That's
Speaker 7: just me.
Speaker 8: That's interesting. I thought.
Speaker 9: My initial reaction was, this is a veteran that is
Speaker 9: trying to protect his younger teammate.
Speaker 8: But you don't that's not the case.
Speaker 7: How you feel about that, because if you were the
Speaker 7: Scooper scored it, he'd have been in front of his
Speaker 7: lack of like, look at me, look what I did, right,
Speaker 7: he would They wouldn't have said, nah, don't talk to him,
Speaker 7: he's a veteran.
Speaker 6: No, So let's going and just break man. I'm liking
Speaker 6: your conversation.
Speaker 4: I don't know just what you think about it.
Speaker 6: I'm gonnat you normally come back's gonna let us know
Speaker 6: he's actually gonna talk today. We're gonna let yes. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: that was great. I hadn't heard it broken, so yeah, boy,
Speaker 6: you you you made it way in back on like
Speaker 6: this kid. But hey, it's okay, and.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the final segment of Hanging with the Boys,
Speaker 4: brought you each and every day by Jigsaw, the proud
Speaker 4: dating partner of the Dallas Cowboys, so we were just
Speaker 4: breaking down. Jesse did a great job of breaking down
Speaker 4: the special team's block punt that wasn't called for, and
Speaker 4: then the.
Speaker 6: Massive breakdown meltdown.
Speaker 4: Blunder, bad decision to try to feel the ball, But
Speaker 4: that was really good Jesse. I hadn't heard it broken down.
Speaker 4: So back to the question of Jesse didn't like the
Speaker 4: fact that you had c. J. Goodwin and some other
Speaker 4: guys not letting media talk to Amani after the game. Nate,
Speaker 4: how do you feel about that good that the veterans
Speaker 4: were We we didn't.
Speaker 6: Well, I'm gonna give you my one experience, the one
Speaker 6: time that happened with us. It was Leon Lett in
Speaker 6: Miami where he did the same thing. But Jesse's talking about,
Speaker 6: you know, uh snow game. And we didn't have to
Speaker 6: protect le it because the old tame had an X
Speaker 6: ray room and he ran the extray room and locked
Speaker 6: it and the only person he opened the door for
Speaker 6: was coach Johnson, so we didn't have to protect him.
Speaker 7: He and he.
Speaker 6: Pepulated into every media type. Even Rich wasn't even in
Speaker 6: there before he came out. Nobody that was it, Uh,
Speaker 6: you know, My thing is this right here. You played
Speaker 6: tick intact the whole game. Like I opened up saying this,
Speaker 6: I'm I'm gonna stick with it. You had this one opportunity.
Speaker 6: Whether this pump block was called for or not, you
Speaker 6: blocked it. That was your glory. That was the glory
Speaker 6: of it. Whether you did it the right way like
Speaker 6: Jesse showed us the wrong way, you blocked it. You
Speaker 6: had another opportunity. You blew it, and it costs you
Speaker 6: the game.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: See, people, we talk about it all the time. One
Speaker 6: or two players a game one it calls you the game,
Speaker 6: you know. And I listen to everybody bringing in his content.
Speaker 6: What McCarthy should have done, what the players should have done.
Speaker 6: You was not stopping number one. You We got some
Speaker 6: of the top flight corners in the game. I saw
Speaker 6: him eat up number two. I saw him eat up
Speaker 6: twenty six, and I saw him eat up number seven.
Speaker 6: Don't tell me about nothing.
Speaker 7: He Jamar chased it before the game. He wound up
Speaker 7: in the in the pregame talk about one of our reads.
Speaker 7: He had a seven eleven shirt on a seven eleven
Speaker 7: shirt on saw that and he was like, I'm always open.
Speaker 7: He was like, hey, I'm gonna give some of the digs.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna give something to Jordan. I'm gonna give something Duran.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna let y'all know. And he's and Jamorrow is
Speaker 7: chasing the triple crown. He's now in the lead with
Speaker 7: he leads the league in receptions, le lead in yards,
Speaker 7: and leads the leagues and touchdowns. So you know, if
Speaker 7: the season and the season is out of reach for
Speaker 7: them and then they're not going to make the playoffs,
Speaker 7: then Jamar is like, when we go ahead, get this triple
Speaker 7: crown record'll go get my.
Speaker 4: Go get my record. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was
Speaker 4: I think the if you watched it on TV. I
Speaker 4: don't know if y'all got to watch it with y'all's
Speaker 4: responsibilities and everything, But like, I think they did a
Speaker 4: really good job because that's the first time I watched
Speaker 4: the pregame, the post game, everything. I think they did
Speaker 4: a really good job of one telling stories right because
Speaker 4: they had some really cool backstories with Jamar meeting that
Speaker 4: kid that was in town to see him and what
Speaker 4: he was doing and he.
Speaker 7: Did the gritty in the end zone.
Speaker 4: They taught, you know, they told that story and then
Speaker 4: following up with players, and something that really stuck out
Speaker 4: to me was Joe Burrow saying that one route that
Speaker 4: they ran, that timing route where he threw the ball
Speaker 4: before he even came out of his break and it
Speaker 4: was right on the like that coverage was good right
Speaker 4: there on the goal line. And he was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's something that we that we've worked on, you know,
Speaker 4: and it's and you could tell like like I.
Speaker 7: Mean and like Nate knows that, you know, because Troy
Speaker 7: and and and Michael the bang Eate that nobody ran
Speaker 7: the bank gate better than those two. Troy can closed
Speaker 7: his eyes one two, three for five the top of
Speaker 7: his drop fire it, Michael could get to his one
Speaker 7: tw three for five outside foot plant come across that
Speaker 7: safety's face. I know, I got two step up for
Speaker 7: that backside. They have to get to me, and like clockwork,
Speaker 7: those two just had that. I'm I'm if you went
Speaker 7: back and looked at the yardage for for Mike in
Speaker 7: his Hall of Fame career, I'm sure more. I'm not
Speaker 7: gonna say half, I'm gonna say a large. It's close.
Speaker 7: Probably came down to those bang Eates. A lot of
Speaker 7: what he did was that and and that's what you
Speaker 7: have when with your quarterback receiver. It was they had
Speaker 7: he knew, he knew where to throw it, how to
Speaker 7: throw it, and it was practice it he got to
Speaker 7: the top of his drop and that ball was on
Speaker 7: the way humming to to the outside where he We
Speaker 7: always say like, it's it's self defense because if you're
Speaker 7: gonna either you gonna catch it or what's gonna hit you.
Speaker 7: So the self defense, I gotta I gotta go ahead
Speaker 7: and catch it. They that's what you see with those
Speaker 7: type of combinations.
Speaker 4: Nate. I have a question that I hope you can
Speaker 4: answer for me. If not, we got yes, all right,
Speaker 4: my voice.
Speaker 7: What's that gonna do it? I'm no longer here. You're
Speaker 7: gonna get through it, you know, baffling with You're gonna
Speaker 7: have to talk to.
Speaker 4: You know, when you lose, you questioned a lot of
Speaker 4: things to whereas if you win, you're like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: just gloss over it.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 4: So we we the Cowboys lost. So I have a
Speaker 4: question that I can't figure out for the life of me,
Speaker 4: and I hope maybe someone can explain to me. You
Speaker 4: have a running back that seems to have found a
Speaker 4: rhythm that is took picked up where he's left off.
Speaker 4: The last two weeks, it was averaging seven point three
Speaker 4: yards per carry and only had eighteen carries.
Speaker 7: Sure, he was averaging more per carry than the quarterback was.
Speaker 4: And he didn't touch the ball the last six minutes
Speaker 4: of the game. And you had too what two possessions
Speaker 4: in those last six minutes, and he didn't He didn't
Speaker 4: even touch the ball. And I know that's par for
Speaker 4: the course with the play calling this year, and it
Speaker 4: seems like you we do that every single week. But
Speaker 4: it seems it seems like this is he's become the
Speaker 4: running back that they thought he was going to be
Speaker 4: in the beginning of the year, whether it's play calling
Speaker 4: and they're feeding into whatever. But he's hit a stride.
Speaker 4: He looks really good, and he looked. I feel bad
Speaker 4: for Zeke because when you put him in there after Rico,
Speaker 4: it just looks like he's got nothing left.
Speaker 3: Like I feel feel bad for Rico.
Speaker 6: My boy right there, boy right because I was saying,
Speaker 6: and I said, no, hold on, what would we just
Speaker 6: I could turn around and turn back like you Jesse,
Speaker 6: And I said to my saying, they must handed this
Speaker 6: ball to Zee, you know, I love see and I'm
Speaker 6: like this, But anyway, which is.
Speaker 7: There a reason?
Speaker 4: Is there a football reason or a play calling reason
Speaker 4: something that I'm not seeing that's from watching tape that there.
Speaker 6: You are, twenty twenty. Your boy is lighting up the skies,
Speaker 6: running the ball. The offensive line has found a rhythm.
Speaker 6: Two three different positions been changed on your offense and
Speaker 6: they still doing what you have asked them to do,
Speaker 6: and you just stop. I have no and no one
Speaker 6: we wait till Monday or Tuesday, the day after what.
Speaker 6: I just want to why guys in that moment say hey, coach,
Speaker 6: you are averaging seven point something yards and carry with
Speaker 6: six minutes mofth You just did not run the ball.
Speaker 6: Somebody need to put that question.
Speaker 7: There's thirty two coaches on this staff, yes and you
Speaker 7: and ain't Nobody goes hey, coach, Hey hit the side
Speaker 7: of the coach. Hey, let's keep running that thing. Yeah,
Speaker 7: Mike Slaari, somebody, hell, offensive line. We gotta come off
Speaker 7: the film and say hey, because like one of the
Speaker 7: turning points of that game where you have Zeke excuse me,
Speaker 7: not Zeke, you had Rico. He gets the fourteen yard
Speaker 7: carry and you go pass pass pass incomplete, incomplete, just.
Speaker 4: Take it right out of his rhythm.
Speaker 7: Even if you were going to give him, you just
Speaker 7: killed your drive. And that's the part. And Michael from Pittsburgh,
Speaker 7: he gets up in the media often he says, you know,
Speaker 7: we gotta run the ball. We gotta run the ball.
Speaker 7: We gotta established to run. And then in the moments
Speaker 7: when you need to, when you were dashing them, they
Speaker 7: had no answer for you running the football. We go
Speaker 7: had his best career yard this day, and you picked
Speaker 7: the worst time to go. Let me put the ball
Speaker 7: in the backup quarterback hands who got a noodle form
Speaker 7: arm and has never scored twenty four points or three?
Speaker 7: I had three touchdowns like.
Speaker 4: Yeah in the game before we go. Offensive line, a
Speaker 4: lot of new faces, a lot of new combinations, moving parts.
Speaker 4: They do pretty good.
Speaker 6: Oh they did they did. To me, they did well,
Speaker 6: they did well. Uh. The thing is, we only get
Speaker 6: to see the rewards through the running game. That's what
Speaker 6: we can physically see as for offensive line, because the
Speaker 6: passing game, if things ain't going right, we know right
Speaker 6: away quarterback is on his back. But it just it
Speaker 6: just baffles you that I've been saying play these young guys,
Speaker 6: do what you gotta do, and you you you we
Speaker 6: twelve games in it, and you're figuring out that these
Speaker 6: guys can help you win games or put to help
Speaker 6: you be in position to win games, because, like I
Speaker 6: tell you, you can feel I understand people have to feel content,
Speaker 6: but this game should have been even ugly with six
Speaker 6: minutes left. It's like, if we lose this, it's gonna
Speaker 6: be on the back of Rico, not on the back
Speaker 6: of your quarterback. This should have been on the back
Speaker 6: of Rico. And I don't think he would have let
Speaker 6: us down. I don't think he would have let us down.
Speaker 6: He would at least gave us another shot at the
Speaker 6: field goal.
Speaker 8: You know the hell, all you.
Speaker 4: Gotta do is get to the furthest point of that
Speaker 4: star going the opposite way. And Aubrey's gonna give you
Speaker 4: a chance.
Speaker 7: Give you a good chance. Yeah, real good chance.
Speaker 4: Man, Well, good stuff. This was a good show. Her
Speaker 4: different perspectives and what fourth and long, Yes, sir, you
Speaker 4: can send.
Speaker 7: Him to good I mean, I ain't gonna play with you.
Speaker 7: I ain't. I ain't gonna know good stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Kurt can't come to something.
Speaker 7: I agree, Yeah, we can't agree to disagree on what it.
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Speaker 4: So short week? What are we doing to cowboy? Real
Speaker 4: short week, right.
Speaker 8: Chris, Cowboys? Maybe that's where we usually go.
Speaker 6: Do it all tomorrow. We announced do it all tomorrow.
Speaker 6: We ain't got no other choice. We don't have a
Speaker 6: show on Thursday.
Speaker 4: Okay, so no show on Thursday. We'll do it all tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Nate might not be here Friday, but guess what do alive?
Speaker 6: Guess what will be?
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