1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here, 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: and we here at breaking points, are already thinking of 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: ways we can up our game for this critical election. 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 2: We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: the studio ad staff, give you, guys, the best independent. 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 3: Coverage that is possible. 7 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 2: If you like what we're all about, it just means 8 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: the absolute world to have your support. But enough with that, 9 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 2: let's get to the show. 10 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: Very lucky this morning to be joined by the one 11 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: and only Andrew yang Man, who scarcely needs an introduction, 12 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: but for those who are not out of course, Yeah, 13 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: former presidential gan and of course co chair of the 14 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: Forward Party. Is always great to see you, Andrew. 15 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 2: Good to see you, man. 16 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 4: It's great to be here. Wish it was under a 17 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 4: different circumstances. I take it we're going to be debriefing 18 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 4: the Trump landslide. 19 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean you're one of those people who's 20 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: in a position to say, hey, I told you so, 21 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,639 Speaker 1: because you got behind Dean Phillips, who was out there 22 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: saying listen, guys, Biden is too old, Like, doesn't have 23 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: to be me, just do something other than Joe Biden. 24 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: How critical do you think it was that Biden stayed 25 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: in the race for as long as he did. 26 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 4: Joe Biden essentially delivered the White House back to Donald 27 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 4: Trump by not getting out of the way in January, 28 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 4: and full credit to Dean for risking his career. The Dems, 29 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 4: in true Demi fashion, decided to malign him, primary him, 30 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 4: get him out of the picture because they were more 31 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 4: offended that someone was actually cutting the line than making 32 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 4: the right case for the country. 33 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 3: He was correct. 34 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 4: Then Joe Biden ends up dropping out less than six 35 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 4: months later, and it was a train wreck. If they'd 36 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 4: had a primary in January, you could have seen a 37 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,279 Speaker 4: very very competitive ticket emerge. 38 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 3: Let's call it Joshapiro and Gretchen Whitmer. 39 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 4: You then have two of the three crucial swing states 40 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 4: probably in your column. You win Wisconsin and you win 41 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 4: the whole thing. But we'll never know because instead it 42 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 4: was Jojo Joe all the way. And if you can 43 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 4: sense some emotion in my voice, we should all be 44 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 4: tick off, particularly Dean Phillips, because Dean Phillips was right 45 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 4: all along. 46 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: Can I ask you just a little bit more about that, Andrew, 47 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: because you know there's been reporting that came out after 48 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: Biden had that disastrous debate that was like, yeah, donors 49 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: had seen this was really not good. He had some 50 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: meeting with congressional leaders like a long time ago, where 51 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: he couldn't finish his sentences. Nancy Pelosi had to jump in, 52 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: and then they just stopped having those meetings altogether. So 53 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: this had all happened before Dean jumped in and was saying, guys, 54 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: come on, I'm pulling the alarm bell, like you have 55 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: to do something. So I just want to know behind 56 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: the scenes, like what was going on. Were they in 57 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 1: denial they just thought that they could cover it up. 58 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: What was the thought process behind the scenes, to the 59 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: best of your knowledge? 60 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was kind of knowledge. 61 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 4: And there were people saying to Dean, I agree with you, 62 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 4: I'm glad you're doing this. 63 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 3: But then they would be mum in public. 64 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 4: And the truth is that the rank and file DEM 65 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 4: office holder cared more about their place in the totem 66 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 4: pole and whether the party was on track to win 67 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 4: in November. That's the disease of this current system is 68 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 4: that look, you know, I've got my career progression, I've 69 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 4: got my entire jam. What happens to the country, what 70 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 4: happens to the people, families, communities a distant secondary or 71 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 4: tertiary consideration that. 72 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: Is absolutely devastating. 73 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: That is really Andrew, I wanted to talk to you 74 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: more about this loss and kind of where things go 75 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 2: from here. What is your like, what is your theory 76 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: of some of the different ways that the Democrats got 77 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: it wrong? 78 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 4: You know, I was joking that instead of calling themselves 79 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 4: the Democrats, they should start calling themselves the Selectors, because 80 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 4: if you'd actually had a real competitive primary, you're not 81 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 4: in this mess. They still even had a chance to 82 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 4: have a hurried primary. 83 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 3: When Joe dropped out in July, and instead it was 84 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 3: just the elevation of Kamala. 85 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 4: I made a list of recommendations with the Democratic Party 86 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 4: in Politico a few days ago that I say. 87 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: In the p they will totally ignore these. 88 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 4: One of them is to make Dean Phillips the chair 89 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 4: of the DNC as the only person who had the 90 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 4: integrity to stake his career on what was right for 91 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 4: the country. Another is apologize to Bernie Sanders for sandbagging 92 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 4: him in twenty sixteen. In my opinion, if Bernie's the nominee, 93 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 4: then Trump never becomes president in twenty sixteen. So there 94 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 4: are a bunch of things that you'd hope that they 95 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 4: would take from this, but you don't actually have any 96 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 4: optimism that they will because the dynamic I described before 97 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 4: is that there are now various people jocking to be 98 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 4: the party's nominee in twenty eight and again it's about 99 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 4: them and their place and the party and not necessarily 100 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 4: preventing this loss, you know, I mean, it was a 101 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 4: landslide loss that, as my friend Dean Phillips said, was 102 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 4: both predictable and preventable. 103 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think there's a few things I want 104 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: to pick up on there from your comments. I want 105 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: to come back to your assessment that Bernie would have 106 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: won in twenty sixteen, because you and Bernie don't have 107 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: exactly the same ideologies. I'm curious about your analysis there, 108 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: which of course I agree with, but I want to 109 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: hear your perspective on that. But the one thing I 110 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: wanted to ask you about first is, you know, it's 111 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: also a real indictment of Gretchen Whitmer, Gavin Newsom, these 112 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: people who you know, could have jumped into a Democratic 113 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: primary and really forced the issue. And yeah, they would 114 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: have been It would have been tough and people would 115 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: have been mad at them whatever. But if you've got 116 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: the governor of California, the governor of Michigan, some actual 117 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: heavy hitters in the Democratic primary, it makes it much 118 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: more difficult to just effectively cancel the primary, which is 119 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: what they truly did. Obviously they had no debates and 120 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: on certain states they just literally canceled the primary and 121 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: blocked Marian and Dean and Jank and anyone else from 122 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: getting on the ballot. So how much of an indictment 123 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: do you see this? As you know, the people who 124 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: are supposed to be the big star players coming up 125 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party and their own career ambition and 126 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: cowardice when it came down to it. 127 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not very presidential to just be like, I 128 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 4: be able to wait until I have the blessing of 129 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 4: the powers that be. And certainly Gavin Newsome and JB. 130 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 4: Pritzker are well known to have had campaigns in waiting. 131 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 4: But as someone who ran for president, guys, if you 132 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 4: wait for the right time, there. 133 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 3: May never be a right time. 134 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 4: You know, the right time is the right time for 135 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 4: the freaking country, not necessarily your professional prospects. Again, it's 136 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 4: one reason why Dean Phillips has my eternal admiration because 137 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 4: he clearly did. 138 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 3: Not have his professional his political. 139 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 4: Future advied, and his career has been ended as a result. Politically, though, 140 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 4: you guys think that, you know, he could easily rise 141 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 4: like a phoenix, which he could because everyone now knows 142 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 4: that he did the right thing. But that's unusual in 143 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 4: American politics. We have a system that rewards cowardice and 144 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 4: conformity and careerism and will punish courage. 145 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 3: And that's one reason we're in this mess. 146 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Andrew. One of the things that you were 147 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 2: originally one of the ways a lot of people heard 148 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: about you is from the Joe Roe podcasts. There's been 149 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: a lot of Rogan discourse around this. I know you've 150 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 2: said that that Kamala should have gone on Joe Rogan, 151 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 2: But what do you think that the shunning of Rogan, 152 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: not even just necessarily by the party, but even by 153 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris herself, what does that say about the democratic 154 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: loss that led to Donald Trump. 155 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 4: No, when she didn't go on Rogan, I thought to myself, 156 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 4: either they have a really big lead their private pole 157 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 4: leg or this is a massive mistake, and one of 158 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 4: the reasons why, in my view, the Democrats lost this 159 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 4: race is that there has been this attack of people 160 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 4: that on people that are outside of their orthodoxy, and 161 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 4: certainly Joe Rogan has been, you know, mercilessly attacked. I've 162 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 4: taken you know, a couple of slings and arrows, like 163 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 4: who knows, they might even have hit you guys just 164 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 4: for fun. Pretty much anyone who's. 165 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 3: Like outside of the machide. 166 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 4: And it turns out that most of us are outside 167 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 4: of the machine. But that doesn't mean that, you know, 168 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 4: like to me, Joe Rogan would have been completely fair 169 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 4: and inquisitive and open minded. If Kamala and Tim Walls 170 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 4: had come on, it would have been a massive boost 171 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 4: for their campaign, and the fact that they didn't come 172 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 4: on to me again speaks to the. 173 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 3: Careerism and the risk aversion. You know. 174 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 4: It's like you look at it and you think, objectively, Okay, 175 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 4: we're trying to win. You should do this, but let's 176 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 4: not make any mistakes. Don't want anyone to look bad. 177 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 4: That's a great way to lose. 178 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, although you know, I mean to be honest with you. 179 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: The more devastating point is that they may have actually 180 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: made the right decision, because I'm not sure that she 181 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: does hold up well over the course of a two 182 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: three hour conversation. When she had her weakest moments was 183 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: actually when she was being asked just to talk about herself, like, hey, 184 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: who are you to your values? You know, it was like, oh, 185 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: I didn't study for this one, So I'm not sure 186 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: they actually made you have a primary Bingo's that's the 187 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: real that's the real core of the problem. But just 188 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: to get back, you know, your analysis that you think 189 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: Bernie would have defeated Trump in twenty sixteen, the DNC 190 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 1: shouldn't moved habn Inner to block him from Assenti's the 191 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: Democratic nomination. You know, I've my analysis of why that 192 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: could be the case. Of course, we'll never know for sure, 193 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: but I am curious your thought process that leads you 194 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: to that analysis. 195 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 3: No. 196 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 4: One of the interesting things about having been a candidate 197 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 4: in this context, Crystal is you know there are times 198 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 4: when a person and a campaign meets the moment, and 199 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 4: Bernie was the person on the moment in twenty sixteen. 200 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 3: He just had a ton of popular energy. 201 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 4: I donated to him, you know, like I heard him speak, 202 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 4: and I was like, oh my gosh, like this guy's 203 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 4: spot on, Like I can't not donate, so I, you know, 204 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 4: donated Bernie's campaign in sixteen. He just had the will 205 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 4: of the people behind him, and standing against him was 206 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 4: the Clinton machine. And by the way, I mean you 207 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 4: think about the sixteen primary, it's like, why was it 208 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 4: just Bernie and Hillary? It was because the word went 209 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 4: out among the Dems. If you run against Hillary, we're 210 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 4: gonna shive you. 211 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 3: It's a career. Ender you run against Joe, it's a 212 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 3: career and we're gonna shive you. 213 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 4: Like so, so Bernie was the only person again with 214 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 4: the courage and patriotism and principle and said, hang it, 215 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 4: you guys can't intimidate me out of this. 216 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 3: I'm going to run any o the will of the people. 217 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 3: And then if you'd. 218 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 4: Had him become the Democratic nominee in my opinion. But 219 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 4: by the way, there are a lot of folks who 220 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 4: migrated from Bernie to Trump over the last number of years, 221 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 4: in large part because the like the energy is like, look, 222 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 4: you're not an establishment tool. I'm into it, you know. 223 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 4: By the way, Like there were a bunch of Trumpers 224 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 4: who supported me, because everyone knows you would never send 225 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 4: the magical Asian man from the future if you were, like, 226 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 4: you know, of the machine. You know, it's like like 227 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 4: pretty much if you're not of the machine, like will 228 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 4: take a look at you if you're a rank and file, 229 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 4: working class voter in this country. 230 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 3: And Bernie had that. 231 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember doing monologues at the time about how 232 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 2: much crossover support that you had amongst Trump's story. I 233 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: remember I didn't like forty at one point, so as 234 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 2: somebody who actually was able to get some Trump support. 235 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: And clearly that didn't work out so well for the 236 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 2: Democrats this time at a structural level, not just with Dean, 237 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: with the DNC, the consultants and all of that. What 238 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: do you think should happen? They should be clean house 239 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: and we should elect new leaders. Is it a primary 240 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: process or is it even deeper? You've talked about third parties. 241 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's deeper. 242 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 4: And if you look at the numbers, as the math guy, 243 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 4: the Democrats will probably not have any chance to be 244 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 4: competitive in the US Senate in terms of holding the 245 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 4: majority for the foreseeable future. Just there are more red 246 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 4: states than blue states. You look at each map, it's 247 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 4: top So if you're someone who wants any kind of 248 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 4: real competition and dynamism and for our country to be 249 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:47,599 Speaker 4: able to solve some of these problems, you're going to 250 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 4: need a different approach to politics. You had someone like 251 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 4: Dan Osborne, who I hope you guys had on born, 252 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 4: put deep red Nebraska. 253 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 3: In play and ran fourteen points ahead of Kamala in 254 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 3: the state. You know. 255 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 4: Evan mcmallan did something similar in Utah. The fact is 256 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 4: there are many many races around the country where people 257 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 4: will not vote for either the Democrat or the Republican 258 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 4: and so you need a different approach. And that's what 259 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 4: the Forward Party is making happen by backing independence and 260 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 4: reform minded people in each party. 261 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 3: But this blue red. 262 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 4: Thing ends in acrimony, tears, problems not being solved, et cetera. 263 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 3: And that's the mass. Well. 264 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: I love the idea of you getting behind future like 265 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: Dan Osbourne style candidates, because even though he came up 266 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: a little short, I mean to put Nebraska in h 267 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: the way. 268 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: He forced McConnell to spend millions, that's right. 269 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: He actually may have ended up saving Jackie Rosen, for example, 270 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: because they forced Republicans to have to take that race 271 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: seriously and come in with a bunch of cash, et cetera. 272 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: So I think that's a really exciting and interesting model 273 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: for the future. Andrew, just tell people you know where 274 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: they can follow your work in your analysis. 275 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 4: Sure if you just go to Andrew Beang on most 276 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 4: social media platforms, so we can go to Forward party 277 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 4: dot com and see what we're doing. We had twenty 278 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 4: five office holders when we are the biggest third party 279 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 4: in the country by resources, which I wish was saying 280 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 4: more than it actually is. 281 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 3: But hey, you know we passed the Greens, the Libertaria. 282 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, and we actually do have some really estimable people 283 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 4: coming our way because everyone's fed up, like this system's not. 284 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 3: Going to work. You need a viable third party. We're 285 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 3: building it. 286 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 287 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: I mean, another big disappointment for me on election day 288 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 1: was a bunch of the rank choice voting ballot initiatives failed, 289 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: which I think is really unfortunate because I do think 290 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: that's a key way to help to build strength outside 291 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: of the two party system. But we'll have you back 292 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: to talk about all of that and the path forward 293 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: there as well. Andrew. Always great to see you. 294 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 3: Good to see you man, Thanks guys, great being here. 295 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, our pleasure.