WEBVTT - TechStuff Classic: The Golden Age of Radio

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from My Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland, executive producer or I heart radio and I

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<v Speaker 1>love all things tech. Today we're going to listen to

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<v Speaker 1>a classic episode the Golden Age of radio. This episode

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<v Speaker 1>originally published March eleven, two thousand fifteen. I will now

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<v Speaker 1>stop talking like that, because I know it's obnoxious. I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't resist it. Probably should have. I apologize, but no,

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna listen to this classic episode of the Golden

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<v Speaker 1>Age of radio. I hope you enjoy. Radio is one

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<v Speaker 1>of those things that I have loved all my life. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>well before I started working for a company that owns

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of radio stations. Uh, and I have been a

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<v Speaker 1>part of radio drama groups that didn't produce classic radio drama,

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<v Speaker 1>but rather wrote new radio dramas in the style of

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<v Speaker 1>the classic radio plays. So I have a real fondness

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<v Speaker 1>for Golden age radio. Anyway, let's take a listen to

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, which originally published on March eleventh, two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and fifteen. Today, Christian and I are going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about a subject that was suggested by a listener, and

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, I must apologize to said listener because

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<v Speaker 1>despite my heroic efforts of researching where this suggestion came from,

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't find it. So I'm guessing this was actually an

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<v Speaker 1>older one. But said the forward thinking, bad prediction story

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<v Speaker 1>about Hugo Gernsback got me thinking about how crazy it

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<v Speaker 1>must have been to have lived through the debut of

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<v Speaker 1>public radio, all the excitement and so little understanding, fireside chats,

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<v Speaker 1>fearmongering about radio death rays. A history episode about the

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<v Speaker 1>promises in popular notions surrounding radio could be fun and

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<v Speaker 1>uh so we wanted to talk about the dawn of

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast radio. Before we get into that, I should mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>that way back in April two thousand eleven, Chris Palette

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<v Speaker 1>and I sat down and recorded an episode titled Who

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<v Speaker 1>Invented the Radio, which was mostly about the inventors who

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<v Speaker 1>discovered radio waves and found ways to generate radio waves,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously including the two big names Tesla and Marconi. Anyone

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<v Speaker 1>who knows anything about the patent wars knows about there

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<v Speaker 1>was a big kerfuffle between the two of those guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh little peek behind the curtain. That is the first time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think the only time I have recorded an

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<v Speaker 1>entire episode and immediately said we can't use that, Let's

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<v Speaker 1>do it again, recorded it all over. Because the ghost

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<v Speaker 1>of Marconi was haunting you. There was that, and we

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<v Speaker 1>had in the old studio, we had a portrait of

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<v Speaker 1>Nicola Tesla on the wall, and we felt judged. But

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<v Speaker 1>mainly Chris and I both felt that we gave such

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<v Speaker 1>a disjointed story that we were jumping around so much

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<v Speaker 1>that made no sense as we after talking it through

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<v Speaker 1>once we went back rerecorded, so that first episode that

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<v Speaker 1>we recorded it's lost to time. We don't have it anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I could, at least hope will be more

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<v Speaker 1>organized today. But I'll tell you just from going through

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<v Speaker 1>all this research that this is such a vast amount

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<v Speaker 1>of information for this period of time, and I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like and it's and you can you can get a

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<v Speaker 1>PhD in radio communication in the history of radio and

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<v Speaker 1>understanding these things, and it's yeah, we will probably only

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<v Speaker 1>scratch the surface today. I imagine, Yeah, they're there. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's so many crazy dramatic stories of betrayal, of of

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<v Speaker 1>con men, of big ball early media. It's like this

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<v Speaker 1>pirate industry of people just messing with each other. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's fascinating. In fact, there there's probably two or three

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<v Speaker 1>podcast worth of information that we could cover, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna try and get this in one if we can.

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<v Speaker 1>So first thing I gotta mentioned is that radio and

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast radio are two different things. You know, radio in

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<v Speaker 1>the sense of what Tesla and Marconi were looking at,

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<v Speaker 1>they were looking at ways of transmitting short signals across

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<v Speaker 1>distances without using wires, so that was it. They were

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<v Speaker 1>looking largely at using Morse code. So they might use

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<v Speaker 1>a spark gap technology where they would create sparks and

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<v Speaker 1>send messages that way. But you couldn't really do a

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<v Speaker 1>sustained message that way without creating a lot of static

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<v Speaker 1>and noise, and that was a real problem. So we

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<v Speaker 1>need to look at another person for broadcast radio. That

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<v Speaker 1>would be a Canadian by the name of Reginald Fessenden,

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<v Speaker 1>who essentially invented am radio. That would be uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>amplitude modulated radio. And so from your notes here your notes,

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<v Speaker 1>it says he worked with Edison for Edison. He actually

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<v Speaker 1>he actually worked for both Westinghouse and Edison at different

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<v Speaker 1>it's in his career. So yeah, he just like Tesla.

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<v Speaker 1>Tesla also worked for both yea, although you know again

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<v Speaker 1>working for like it's like me saying that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I worked for the head of our parent company, and

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<v Speaker 1>technically I do, but I don't have any contact with them.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh. He had dropped out of school as a

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<v Speaker 1>young man. He actually did not complete his school work,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was keenly interested in electricity and this potential

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<v Speaker 1>to transmit messages wirelessly, and he was using that spark

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<v Speaker 1>gap technology. But that was the problem, was that it

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<v Speaker 1>was creating so much static and noise that it was

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<v Speaker 1>very difficult to get any intelligible message across. Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 1>actually I want to interject here for sure. So um,

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<v Speaker 1>in like the model of human communication, when scholars are

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<v Speaker 1>looking at how human beings communicate with each other, regardless

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<v Speaker 1>of media, they actually use uh this Feestenden Marconi uh

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<v Speaker 1>model of transmissions as like the baseline for it. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's all about like ending and receiving with feedback and

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<v Speaker 1>feed forward and then there's a signal to noise ratio.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how it's all understood whether you and I are

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<v Speaker 1>sitting here talking in the same room, or it's mass

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<v Speaker 1>media or it's uh like like in the early days

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<v Speaker 1>of radio. That the way they literally thought of it

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<v Speaker 1>was two ships that were thousands of yards away from

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<v Speaker 1>one another trying to contact each other using this old

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<v Speaker 1>radio technology, and they would have so much static they

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<v Speaker 1>would have to constantly give each other feedback and feed

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<v Speaker 1>forward to make sure the message was understood. It makes

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<v Speaker 1>perfect sense, I mean, especially when you see the brilliance

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<v Speaker 1>of Fessenden. He thought, well, they I can. I can

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<v Speaker 1>create these sparks of electricity, create these electromagnetic fields and

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<v Speaker 1>thus creating radio waves, but it isn't giving me the

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<v Speaker 1>fidelity I need in order to communicate properly. He then thought,

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<v Speaker 1>what if I used a continuous wave, So I create

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<v Speaker 1>a sign wave and oscillating wave with the same amplitude,

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<v Speaker 1>same frequency, So it's just steady. Now, that's not carrying

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<v Speaker 1>any information by itself. It's if you could if you

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<v Speaker 1>could hear it, it would just be a steady tone.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's actually talking about using frequencies above the limit

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<v Speaker 1>of human hearing. So let's say you create this wave,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you were too introduce a second wave, one

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<v Speaker 1>that was created by your voice, so you'd speak into

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<v Speaker 1>a microphone. It gets converted into electric waves. You add

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<v Speaker 1>that on top of the uh, the existing wave you've

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<v Speaker 1>already created, and you allow it to change the amplitude

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<v Speaker 1>of that wave as the two waves are overlaid on

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<v Speaker 1>top of one another. Sure it is genius, It's absolutely genius. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was a M radio. This was the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that that became a M radio because it does modulate

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<v Speaker 1>the amplitude of that wave. So the amplitude, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>is the the peak to peak uh difference, Right, it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not how many oscillations. This is just the the

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<v Speaker 1>amplitude of the wave itself, how tall the peaks are,

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<v Speaker 1>how low the troughs are. If you were looking at

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<v Speaker 1>the wave across a line the way at Assuming that

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<v Speaker 1>this innovation of his significantly reduced the noise and static

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<v Speaker 1>it did, it did. It did still have issues and

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<v Speaker 1>that you could have interference with other waves that were

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<v Speaker 1>created at that same frequency. It also meant that you

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<v Speaker 1>could get interference with other electromagnetic phenomenon like like a

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<v Speaker 1>lightning strike. So also if you pass below, like if

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<v Speaker 1>you go under a bridge, you would hear, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the disruption of the signal. So it wasn't perfect, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was an incredible step forward and this was revolutionary.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he tested it successfully. He did a short

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<v Speaker 1>distance test between two towers and it worked fine. And

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<v Speaker 1>then in n six he had his infamous Christmas concert

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<v Speaker 1>for sailors. See this is yeah, this is where I

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<v Speaker 1>think that that boat to boat the idea comes from, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Because it turns out the disaster of the Titanic would

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<v Speaker 1>end up really making this uh clear that there needed

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<v Speaker 1>to be some radio communication for ships at sea. But

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<v Speaker 1>what he wanted to do was he wanted to send

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<v Speaker 1>out a message to essentially telegraph operators aboard ships. That

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<v Speaker 1>was his plan. So he proceeded the concert with an

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<v Speaker 1>actual telegraph message that essentially translates into hey, pay attention.

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<v Speaker 1>And then once he did that, he started knew it

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<v Speaker 1>was coming though, right they were not most of them.

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<v Speaker 1>They just knew to pay attention because they got the message.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah there, they were like, well, here's the message, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>is going to happen, We need to really focus. And

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<v Speaker 1>so what they were expecting to hear were just the

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<v Speaker 1>noises they would hear for the dot, some dashes of

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<v Speaker 1>Morse code. So then he he gives a short speech.

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<v Speaker 1>He plays a violin, uh and plays a Holy Night.

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<v Speaker 1>There were supposed to be other people who talked into

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<v Speaker 1>the microphone too, but most of them chickened out because

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<v Speaker 1>they got like terrible stage fright because they realized all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden that they were speaking to like hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of people, right right, yeah. Yeah, And so anyway, it

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<v Speaker 1>ended up being a big hit. Sailors up and down

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<v Speaker 1>the Atlantic coast were we're able to hear him and

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<v Speaker 1>reported back to it, so it was known to be

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<v Speaker 1>a success. And that's how AM radio got started. Yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I like that. Yeah, so that's a nice start to

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<v Speaker 1>it ends up being industry. Yeah. So so he he

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<v Speaker 1>demonstrates this capability, and immediately other physicists and engineers start

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<v Speaker 1>to experiment with it because some of them had been

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<v Speaker 1>independently working on this same kind of idea. Fessenden ended

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<v Speaker 1>up being the first to make it really work in

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<v Speaker 1>a public demonstration. So you had a lot of other

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<v Speaker 1>people who were who either adopted his ideas or continued

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<v Speaker 1>to develop their own ideas, and a lot of amateurs

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<v Speaker 1>were starting to experiment with radio transmissions, including transmitting out

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<v Speaker 1>to telegraph operators who often were very much entertained by

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<v Speaker 1>this because it was different from just listening to clicks

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<v Speaker 1>on the headphones. This is the part that's the most

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating about the evolution of radio to me is that

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<v Speaker 1>even though the technology is ultimately made for mass communication,

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<v Speaker 1>people originally started using it as one to one communication

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<v Speaker 1>across long distances, replacing a telegraph. And then uh, these

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<v Speaker 1>amateur operators, these like d I y uh people in

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<v Speaker 1>their in their garage, is just you know, tinkering around

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<v Speaker 1>with the technology that they could get a hold of.

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<v Speaker 1>We're able to turn it into this mass communication then yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's funny because when you look at the early ones,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously they were using very low wattage transmitters, so that

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<v Speaker 1>meant that they couldn't transmit very far, most of them.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you were a big name, you might

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<v Speaker 1>be able to work with someone like General Electric to

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<v Speaker 1>get a really big transmitter and be able to send

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<v Speaker 1>a signal far away. Because the signals reach is largely

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<v Speaker 1>dependent upon the power of the transmitter. Right, the further

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<v Speaker 1>way you get, the weaker the signal is, and the

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<v Speaker 1>less you'll be likely you are able to pick it

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<v Speaker 1>up with a receiver. So in the early days, people

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<v Speaker 1>were happy to experiment with this, and there was really

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<v Speaker 1>no regulation because there there hadn't been a demonstrable need

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<v Speaker 1>to regulate yet, because no one had the power to

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<v Speaker 1>interfere that much with anything that was important. We have

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<v Speaker 1>more to say about the golden age of radio after

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<v Speaker 1>these brief messages, Festal would invent a high frequency electric

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<v Speaker 1>generator to create radio waves in the Hurts frequency, which

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<v Speaker 1>was really important. And in Dr Charles Aaron Culver, who

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<v Speaker 1>was newly hired as a professor of physics at Beloit

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<v Speaker 1>College or bell Watt if you prefer Um and So college.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never it's it's in a town called bell Watt actually,

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<v Speaker 1>but set up a radio telegraph assembly which became the

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<v Speaker 1>foundation for the college is radio station, though voice in

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<v Speaker 1>music transmission wouldn't be part of it until the nineteen twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>But this this became like again, it was someone a

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<v Speaker 1>physics professor, in this case, a physics professor who was

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<v Speaker 1>already interested in radio and had been working on it independently,

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<v Speaker 1>setting up a thing that would eventually evolve into an

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<v Speaker 1>early early radio station. Yeah, and that's kind of another

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<v Speaker 1>interesting aspect of this too, is that these early amateur

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<v Speaker 1>radio stations weren't just uh d I y kind of

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<v Speaker 1>hobbyists doing it on their own. A lot of it

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<v Speaker 1>was educational institutions, not just colleges, but also high schools

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<v Speaker 1>that were just you know, trying to use it for

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<v Speaker 1>educational purposes. Yeah, and that it's interesting later on what

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<v Speaker 1>happens when amateur radio sort of gets more regulated. It

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<v Speaker 1>really reminds me of the early days of personal computers

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<v Speaker 1>and how how it first started off as a hobbyist thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you know, you had bleeding edge adopters who

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<v Speaker 1>might not build a computer, but they're curious about how

0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.640
<v Speaker 1>they might use it. And then later you had people

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<v Speaker 1>who were uh, you know more it became more and

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<v Speaker 1>more mainstream as time went on. So we've seen other

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<v Speaker 1>emerging technologies that have followed a similar pathway to radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh not always with the dramatics. I mean, there were

0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:50.400
<v Speaker 1>some deffinite dramatics and early personal computers too. But we

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<v Speaker 1>got some crazy stories to tell. But first we have

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<v Speaker 1>another big name in radio that we have to mention. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so in nine and ten, this guy lead to Forest

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<v Speaker 1>really podcasted like the first sort of broad meant for

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<v Speaker 1>mass communication. Radio broadcast uh, specifically of a guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Enrico Caruso singing. I believe it was opera singing from

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<v Speaker 1>what I understood, um, and that he he ushered in

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<v Speaker 1>this area era of radio communications. And unfortunately, though even

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<v Speaker 1>though he was broadcasting, probably on Fessenden's news system, for

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<v Speaker 1>the most part it was static and radio interference, so

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<v Speaker 1>the audience barely heard anything. But you know, for a

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<v Speaker 1>decade afterwards, radio fans were both using uh, these amateur

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<v Speaker 1>radio units to broadcast and receive. Yeah, it wasn't just

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<v Speaker 1>them receiving. Yeah, it wasn't like they were a passive audience.

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<v Speaker 1>They were creating as well. And again, depending upon the

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<v Speaker 1>power of their radio transmitters, it maybe that they were

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<v Speaker 1>only transmitting to people in their general neighborhood or even

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<v Speaker 1>small time, but you wouldn't be able to necessarily pick

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<v Speaker 1>up that signal for much. Further, also depends on the

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<v Speaker 1>quality of the receiver as well. Like you could build

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<v Speaker 1>a very simple a radio receiver that doesn't even require

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<v Speaker 1>a battery and as a crystal, a very long antenna

0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:14.040
<v Speaker 1>and some headphones, and uh, you can pick up radio

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<v Speaker 1>signals if you're close enough to a transmitter. Uh. And

0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.000
<v Speaker 1>in fact, that's a fun project to do. You can

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<v Speaker 1>look up how to do that online. So also in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ten, the same time Leada Forrest was was experimenting

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<v Speaker 1>with us, you had a guy named Charles David Harold

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<v Speaker 1>who opened a school that he called the Herald College

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<v Speaker 1>of Engineering and Wireless, and he was experimenting with wireless

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<v Speaker 1>voice transmissions as early as nineteen o nine and providing

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<v Speaker 1>a thrill to telegraph operators who suddenly were able to

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<v Speaker 1>hear voices over the telegraph lines. Now this is out

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<v Speaker 1>in California, so he's surprising people out there who normally

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't expecting it at all, but they loved it

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<v Speaker 1>because you would imagine this job is a little probably

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<v Speaker 1>very tedious. Yeah. So he actually started setting up a

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<v Speaker 1>regular broadcast time, like the first radio programming in a way.

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<v Speaker 1>And by nineteen ten he had created this, uh, this

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<v Speaker 1>program that would include reading out news to telegraph operators.

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<v Speaker 1>And his wife Sybil got involved and she started playing

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<v Speaker 1>records that the description I said was the kind of

0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:22.040
<v Speaker 1>records young people like to listen to back in Yeah,

0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:25.400
<v Speaker 1>so playing records, So playing music for these telegraph operators

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<v Speaker 1>and holding the first radio contests, and here's all the

0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:35.120
<v Speaker 1>radio contest work. Back then. She would instruct people listening

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<v Speaker 1>to come by their house sign a guest book with

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<v Speaker 1>their name and where they were from, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>might win a little prize Number seven. No, wasn't calling

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<v Speaker 1>number seven. Uh. And here's the coolest part. I think

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<v Speaker 1>this little amateur station eventually over time in ninety one

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<v Speaker 1>would become k q W, and in nineteen it would

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<v Speaker 1>evolve into k CBS, then the CBS. Yeah. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>that was really interesting, especially like we'll talk later about,

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<v Speaker 1>CBS is sort of importance in the big game of

0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.080
<v Speaker 1>radio development. Yeah. So nineteen ten is also when the

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<v Speaker 1>US passed the Wireless Ship Act, which required all ships

0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:17.600
<v Speaker 1>of the US traveling more than two miles off the

0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:20.480
<v Speaker 1>coast and carrying more than fifty passengers to have a

0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:25.320
<v Speaker 1>wireless radio equipment on board with a with an operator,

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<v Speaker 1>and the transmission range had to be at least a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred miles. And that meant that it created a lot

0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:36.000
<v Speaker 1>more radio transmissions broadcast without any regulation. This is where

0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.760
<v Speaker 1>the United States government starts to say, this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to become a problem because now we we already have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of radio traffic going on just through amateurs

0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:48.320
<v Speaker 1>as well as ship to land land to ship communication. Uh,

0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:50.359
<v Speaker 1>it's starting to get a little crowded and we're starting

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<v Speaker 1>to get interference. We need to figure out how to

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<v Speaker 1>handle this. So in nineteen twelve, they passed the Radio

0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:57.359
<v Speaker 1>Act of nineteen twelve, which is good because if they

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<v Speaker 1>had passed the Radio Act of nineteen twelve and like

0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.000
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eleven, every one would have been confused. Uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>marked the first time the US government required radio stations

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<v Speaker 1>to be licensed. So the licensing was really just to

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<v Speaker 1>create order in chaos, and it was really kind of like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we want to make sure that we're keeping

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<v Speaker 1>certain frequencies free so that we can have these these

0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:24.560
<v Speaker 1>very important transmissions go uninterrupted because am transmissions, if you

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<v Speaker 1>transmit two things on the same frequency, you get lots

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<v Speaker 1>of interference and just different from there was a military

0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:34.399
<v Speaker 1>component to this as well, because World War One was

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<v Speaker 1>on the horizon, was happening, and they the government banned

0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:44.240
<v Speaker 1>amateur radio broadcasting during the war for you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>reason that they were trying to transmit signals to one

0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.760
<v Speaker 1>another of important nature. If somebody was talking in their

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<v Speaker 1>garage about, uh, you know, their favorite records something or you. Yeah,

0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.080
<v Speaker 1>the ones that the young people listened to, they would

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<v Speaker 1>overlap and they didn't get these important messages, so they

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<v Speaker 1>shut it all down. And also just radio detection to

0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:09.840
<v Speaker 1>the the remote possibility that they might detect radio transmissions

0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:16.440
<v Speaker 1>from either allies or enemies. It would mean that yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is before the whole Bletchley Park on

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<v Speaker 1>Enigma thing, which is I've talked about that in the

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<v Speaker 1>previous episode of tech Stuff. But fascinating story fourteen Edwin Armstrong,

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<v Speaker 1>who's going to be important throughout this conversation, and his

0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:34.159
<v Speaker 1>story is amazing and tragic. Uh. He patents a radio

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<v Speaker 1>receiver circuit that increases the selectivity which allows you to

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<v Speaker 1>tune into specific frequencies and the sensitivity of radio receivers.

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<v Speaker 1>That means it was able to pick up weaker radio

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<v Speaker 1>signals than previous receivers. So selectivity obviously very important. You

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<v Speaker 1>want to be able to say, I'm looking at this

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<v Speaker 1>particular band of frequencies and I don't want anything outside

0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:57.960
<v Speaker 1>of that um and we would see that get better

0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:02.080
<v Speaker 1>and better. In en he would invent the super heterodyne

0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:07.600
<v Speaker 1>radio receiver or superhead. So this principle is actually really fascinating,

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<v Speaker 1>and I gotta admit to you, Christian, I had to

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<v Speaker 1>really sit down and read this a few times to

0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:16.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of get what was going on. Yeah, because I

0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:21.199
<v Speaker 1>mean this is radio, electromagnetic and radio broadcast. I have

0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:23.960
<v Speaker 1>a basic understanding of it, but it does go well

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<v Speaker 1>beyond what I studied in school. And it took a while,

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<v Speaker 1>but now I think I've got it. Will explain it

0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:30.480
<v Speaker 1>to me, because yeah, I'm more of the on the

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<v Speaker 1>side of the like cultural examination of radio, whereas like

0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:38.240
<v Speaker 1>the technology of it escapes me sometimes, So yeah, hit me.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Let's say, let's say I want to transmit

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<v Speaker 1>a radio signal at a high frequency, so it's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to interfere with anything else, but that processing high

0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:53.560
<v Speaker 1>frequencies is a little tricky, so you might have a

0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:57.879
<v Speaker 1>receiver that can process frequencies up to I'm just gonna

0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:01.760
<v Speaker 1>take an arbitrary number, a hundred killer hurts. But I

0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:06.280
<v Speaker 1>want to transmit at fifteen hundred killer hurts. If I

0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:10.359
<v Speaker 1>were to introduce that frequency to an oscillator tuned to

0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:14.680
<v Speaker 1>a different frequency, suddenly I would be able to receive

0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:18.320
<v Speaker 1>that uh, not just at the original frequency. I transmit

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<v Speaker 1>at but the difference between that and the oscillating one.

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<v Speaker 1>So another easy example, let's say they have an oscillating

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<v Speaker 1>frequency at a thousand killer hurts. Yeah, okay, that would

0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:33.280
<v Speaker 1>mean that if you used a receiver tuned to five

0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:38.639
<v Speaker 1>killer hurts, killer hurts or two thousand five killer hurts,

0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:41.960
<v Speaker 1>you would pick up that signal one could process it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So and I'm imagining that this is a process that's

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<v Speaker 1>still used today. Yeah. This is the principle of transmitting

0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:52.040
<v Speaker 1>and receiving with a radio so that your radio doesn't

0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:54.560
<v Speaker 1>have to have as wide a spectrum. It's called an

0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:57.639
<v Speaker 1>interminute frequency. And it took me a long time to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out what was going on, is the oscillator was

0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:02.480
<v Speaker 1>throwing me off. And then I realized, oh, the oscilators

0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:05.159
<v Speaker 1>tuned to a different frequency, and that's what gives you

0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:09.400
<v Speaker 1>the broader range that you can pick up. It's pretty fascinating.

0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:13.520
<v Speaker 1>And again Armstrong was absolutely brilliant coming up with this. Uh.

0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:16.480
<v Speaker 1>And then we move up to the nineteen twenties. Yeah,

0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:19.040
<v Speaker 1>and the twenties is when this educational stuff that I

0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:21.080
<v Speaker 1>was talking about earlier, it really hits a boom. There

0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:24.840
<v Speaker 1>was like more than two hundred educational organizations across the

0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:29.359
<v Speaker 1>United States of America that we're requesting broadcasting licenses so

0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:33.320
<v Speaker 1>that they could transmit, and whether they were using it

0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:36.359
<v Speaker 1>as a an opportunity for their students to learn about

0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:40.640
<v Speaker 1>the technology or to broadcast educational information didn't really matter.

0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:44.880
<v Speaker 1>The unfortunate thing is that thirteen years later, by three

0:23:46.359 --> 0:23:50.439
<v Speaker 1>or more of these educational institutions had folded and and

0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:52.639
<v Speaker 1>basically it was because of and this is going to

0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:55.760
<v Speaker 1>be a huge theme of this episode, because of ad

0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:59.800
<v Speaker 1>based programming and stronger stations, commercial stations that were able

0:23:59.840 --> 0:24:04.639
<v Speaker 1>to overlapped their signal. Yeah, you essentially had not just

0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:08.600
<v Speaker 1>the fact that the companies had more technological behind them,

0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:12.639
<v Speaker 1>but the government was favoring those over the educational ones.

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<v Speaker 1>When we get into a little bit more about the politics,

0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:19.439
<v Speaker 1>you're going to hear that repeated a few times, and

0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:23.040
<v Speaker 1>it's it's a little upsetting, honestly, And I also i'd

0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:26.119
<v Speaker 1>like to say, like, it's interesting because despite whatever my

0:24:26.160 --> 0:24:29.720
<v Speaker 1>political beliefs are reading. One of the articles that we

0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:32.800
<v Speaker 1>used as as research for this was written in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>from the perspective of somebody at Harvard University looking back

0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:42.280
<v Speaker 1>at the Federal Radio Radio Commission before it turned into

0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:44.960
<v Speaker 1>the FCC that we have now and kind of just

0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:47.399
<v Speaker 1>doing a broad review of the last like ten years

0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:51.840
<v Speaker 1>of this, and it's very very similar and reminiscent of

0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:54.439
<v Speaker 1>arguments that we've seen with media throughout the last hundred

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<v Speaker 1>years and that we're seeing right now in arguments about

0:24:57.720 --> 0:25:01.439
<v Speaker 1>net neutrality. Yeah, it's really similar to net neutrality, the

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<v Speaker 1>idea being that everyone should be free to use the

0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Internet to send and receive whatever information they want. In radio,

0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:12.960
<v Speaker 1>we saw the same argument, except in that case radio

0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:16.040
<v Speaker 1>it was it ended up being that those folks were

0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:20.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of pushed away and that the the the corporations,

0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:22.919
<v Speaker 1>the companies that had the money were the ones that

0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:26.040
<v Speaker 1>had the voice. Yeah, and and so like you know,

0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:28.600
<v Speaker 1>as we were talking earlier, there's these amateur radio stations,

0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:31.080
<v Speaker 1>right and they here's the kind of content you might

0:25:31.119 --> 0:25:34.199
<v Speaker 1>find on amateur radio stations. Maybe somebody's giving a sermon,

0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:36.679
<v Speaker 1>or they're they're they're just reading out of their Bible,

0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:41.880
<v Speaker 1>or they're talking about sports out of today's newspaper, updating

0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:44.679
<v Speaker 1>their neighborhood on what happened in sports around the country

0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 1>that day. Maybe they're reading a poem, maybe they're giving

0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:51.320
<v Speaker 1>a speech about something political at the time, perhaps the

0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:55.959
<v Speaker 1>usage of radio, or like we were talking earlier, just

0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:59.359
<v Speaker 1>playing records and at the time there was no you know,

0:26:00.000 --> 0:26:04.440
<v Speaker 1>aacensing or copyright and effect for for how music was broadcasted.

0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 1>So they just throw any record on and kind of

0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:09.920
<v Speaker 1>entertain the neighborhood. Right in a way, you can think

0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:12.720
<v Speaker 1>of it as like the predecessor of blogs. Yeah, you

0:26:12.720 --> 0:26:15.359
<v Speaker 1>know it really in a in a real way, it was,

0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:20.280
<v Speaker 1>and uh, this was amazing. This was an ability for

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:23.000
<v Speaker 1>someone to have a platform to have their voice heard.

0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:26.439
<v Speaker 1>Some people made very good use of that. Some people,

0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:30.360
<v Speaker 1>may you may think, made frivolous use of it, just

0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:35.440
<v Speaker 1>like the internet. Sure, yeah, exactly, And that's just like blogging,

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:38.600
<v Speaker 1>except for for people like us I suppose, who do

0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:42.520
<v Speaker 1>get paid to do it. A lot of these these

0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:45.440
<v Speaker 1>amateur radioists that they weren't getting paid for this. They

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:47.280
<v Speaker 1>had day jobs. In fact, Like one of the stories

0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:49.720
<v Speaker 1>I read was about how there's this guy who ran

0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:52.359
<v Speaker 1>a gas station, but he also had a radio station

0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:54.280
<v Speaker 1>running out of his gas station, and so he'd be

0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:56.160
<v Speaker 1>on air and then he'd say, hold on a minute,

0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:59.520
<v Speaker 1>I have to go, uh sell some gas and he'd go,

0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:01.920
<v Speaker 1>he'd just appear for five minutes, and they had come

0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:04.919
<v Speaker 1>back and just pick up again. And that was just

0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:06.880
<v Speaker 1>how it is. They didn't really worry about dead air

0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:09.760
<v Speaker 1>or anything like that. Yeah. Um. And and at the

0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:13.360
<v Speaker 1>same time, there's also this other, like broader, more important thing,

0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 1>which I think is why the government started to become

0:27:16.720 --> 0:27:19.239
<v Speaker 1>more involved in it, which is that radio allowed the

0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:24.840
<v Speaker 1>listeners to sample other cultures from far away states that

0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:27.399
<v Speaker 1>and and and learn more about what this kind of

0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:31.400
<v Speaker 1>idea of America as a nation meant. You know, even

0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:34.399
<v Speaker 1>though they may have never visited Nebraska, they would be

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 1>hearing what these amateur radioists in Nebraska were talking about.

0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 1>They were giving them sort of a peek into what

0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:44.680
<v Speaker 1>the culture in those towns were like. It's really cool. Yeah, yeah,

0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 1>absolutely yeah. And moving over to nineteen twenty, that's when

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:52.200
<v Speaker 1>we get the first commercial radio station launching. That's Kadi

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:55.640
<v Speaker 1>k A. Now, amateur radio stations, like Christian was saying,

0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:58.200
<v Speaker 1>had already been around, and a guy named Henry P.

0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Davis was inspired by an mature named Frank Conrad and

0:28:02.080 --> 0:28:04.679
<v Speaker 1>saw the potential to actually make some money off this

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:07.600
<v Speaker 1>whole radio thing, and not just not just broadcast out

0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:10.880
<v Speaker 1>for free, but to actually make it a commercial enterprise.

0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:14.359
<v Speaker 1>So the radio station went live on November two, nineteen twenty,

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:16.879
<v Speaker 1>Henry P. Davis himself read out the results of the

0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 1>presidential elections on the air, and he would become heavily

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:25.640
<v Speaker 1>involved in broadcast radio, in fact becoming the first chairman

0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:34.520
<v Speaker 1>of the National Broadcasting Company also known as NBC. So yeah, exactly, pacock. Yeah.

0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:38.120
<v Speaker 1>Then the opening of thirty Rock in nine s kt

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:41.320
<v Speaker 1>k A was owned and operated by Westinghouse Electric and

0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:44.920
<v Speaker 1>Manufacturing Company, and you might not be surprised to hear

0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 1>that Westinghouse used the radio station as a means of

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:51.360
<v Speaker 1>convincing people to go out and buy radios, because up

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:54.200
<v Speaker 1>to this point, again it was very much an amateur thing.

0:28:54.240 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 1>People who were interested in the science would go out

0:28:57.440 --> 0:29:00.240
<v Speaker 1>and get the equipment or build the equipment from from

0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 1>whatever they could, and that's how they participated. But now

0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about actually making commercial radio sets for people

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:08.520
<v Speaker 1>to go out and buy. And this is also the

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 1>beginning of things starting to get a little dodgy on

0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 1>the corporate side of things, because previously the patents for

0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 1>radios were all over the place. But what happened was

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:22.440
<v Speaker 1>the big companies G E, A, T and T. Weird,

0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:26.040
<v Speaker 1>they're such a familiar name nowadays. G A, T and T,

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:29.880
<v Speaker 1>International Radio and Telegraph and Westinghouse all got together and said,

0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 1>let's pull together our patents, and they created r c A,

0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:37.920
<v Speaker 1>the Radio Corporation of America, for the express purpose of

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:41.640
<v Speaker 1>allowing them to build and sell radio equipment like transmitters

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 1>and receivers that were designed not for broadcast broadcast, but

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 1>for for telegraphing, but also to keep these amateur radio

0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:55.440
<v Speaker 1>out of business, basically so that they couldn't just go

0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:58.560
<v Speaker 1>and buy an out of the box kit anymore. They

0:29:58.560 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 1>would have to they would have to really build it themselves.

0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:05.120
<v Speaker 1>R c A flexed its muscles in ways that I

0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:09.400
<v Speaker 1>think just about anyone would describe as odious and uh

0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:12.120
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of the stories we're gonna cover, yeah yeah,

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:15.720
<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah, um. And what's kind of interesting is just that,

0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:18.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's there's this other article that I read

0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 1>for this that was called The Design of Symbiosis that

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:25.240
<v Speaker 1>was all about, you know, the the longevity of radio

0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:28.000
<v Speaker 1>and in these corporations interacting, and there's a quote from

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 1>it that I want to read, which is about this

0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:33.440
<v Speaker 1>specific thing. It says it was no accident that the

0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:38.200
<v Speaker 1>General Electric Corporation G, after acquiring rights to the Marconi

0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:41.920
<v Speaker 1>wireless patents in the United States, spearheaded the formation of

0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 1>the r c A, which in turn launched the National

0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting Corporation NBC, one of gs many subsidiaries. It still is,

0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:55.320
<v Speaker 1>I believe right. Well again you got Universal Yeah, yeah,

0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 1>it's even larger than that and a leading content company.

0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 1>So it's like one thing led to another, from one

0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:03.480
<v Speaker 1>corporation to the next as they kind of built out

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 1>their their subsidiaries and spread their spread out kind of

0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:09.720
<v Speaker 1>like an umbrella and it and it. Don't get me wrong,

0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:13.640
<v Speaker 1>this wasn't all negative. They were very positive effects at

0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:17.280
<v Speaker 1>the time as well. From this we will conclude the

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:19.880
<v Speaker 1>story of the Golden Age of radio, if I can

0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:23.480
<v Speaker 1>say such a grandiose thing, after we take this quick break.

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:34.720
<v Speaker 1>I love that you have this bit about a T

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:38.200
<v Speaker 1>and T and their their business strategy. This is one

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:41.120
<v Speaker 1>of the so apparently they like repeatedly, we're trying to

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:46.880
<v Speaker 1>charge people for commercial broadcasting over their sets, and they

0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 1>wanted to charge tolls in the same way that they

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:51.680
<v Speaker 1>were charging people for phone calls, which I think is

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:53.960
<v Speaker 1>amazing when you when you think about it, you know,

0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:58.280
<v Speaker 1>there's just these these negotiations between the public and the

0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:02.720
<v Speaker 1>large corporations. When these new media hit the scene, and

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 1>and we're experiencing it right now, we'll probably always be

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:08.840
<v Speaker 1>experiencing it, I imagine. So, and it's interesting to you

0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:13.320
<v Speaker 1>you make a delineation in our notes about how how

0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:18.960
<v Speaker 1>the radio system is treated in America versus in other nations, right, yeah,

0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:22.880
<v Speaker 1>So the thing that's unique about the American radio system.

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:26.320
<v Speaker 1>This isn't to say that that no other countries did this,

0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 1>but the American radio system specifically evolved as a unique

0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:33.440
<v Speaker 1>combination between private enterprises like these ones that we were

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:37.000
<v Speaker 1>just talking about, in government regulation, whereas in other countries,

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 1>for the most part, it went for public ownership. So

0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:44.600
<v Speaker 1>places like Iceland, the United Kingdom obviously with the BBC, Italy,

0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Turkey and the uss are it was all public um.

0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:54.360
<v Speaker 1>And so the problem that radio had that was unique

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 1>in America was that all of these consumers could receive

0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:02.120
<v Speaker 1>any signal at equal equality, very much like again blogging,

0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:07.120
<v Speaker 1>right sure in theory, and that any broadcaster, however, whether

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:10.680
<v Speaker 1>it's NBC or a guy operating out of his garage

0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:15.200
<v Speaker 1>would be able to overwhelm multiple frequencies and overwrite what

0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 1>was being played by somebody else's broadcasts. Yeah, the very

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 1>least you could interfere with the signal. Um, we'll talk

0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 1>about FM and a little bit. The interesting difference, one

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:29.000
<v Speaker 1>of the many interesting differences between a M and FM

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:32.600
<v Speaker 1>is if you have two AM broadcasts that are coming

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:35.120
<v Speaker 1>out at the same signal, they interfere with one another

0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:37.120
<v Speaker 1>the same frequency, I should say they interfere with one

0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:40.280
<v Speaker 1>of FM. If you have two of the same frequency,

0:33:40.720 --> 0:33:44.120
<v Speaker 1>it's whichever frequency is the most powerful is the one

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 1>you will receive. So you could have a little station

0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:52.000
<v Speaker 1>that is broadcasting on a very small amount of power

0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:54.640
<v Speaker 1>that if you are close to it, you would be

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:57.200
<v Speaker 1>able to pick it up on an FM band that

0:33:57.240 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 1>would normally be for a radio station that might mean

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 1>miles way. That could be a giant corporations one. So

0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:05.440
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of back and forth with this too,

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:07.520
<v Speaker 1>which is today we think of this. You and I

0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:09.520
<v Speaker 1>were talking about this the other day when we proposed

0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 1>this idea. We think of it as pirate radio, right,

0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:14.279
<v Speaker 1>and I think I always think of pop up the

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:17.520
<v Speaker 1>volume of the Yeah, and Christians later driving around his

0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 1>neighborhood with his his pirate radio station at the back

0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:22.600
<v Speaker 1>of his car. Yeah, it's also similar. I did a

0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:26.760
<v Speaker 1>story with Chuck Bryant about it was television, not radio,

0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 1>but the same same principle, uh the Max Headroom incident

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 1>where in Chicago that was also the same principle as

0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:37.320
<v Speaker 1>FM radio, and that if you were able to send

0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:39.560
<v Speaker 1>a signal along the same frequency but at a higher

0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 1>power rate, then you could overpower that and people would

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:47.360
<v Speaker 1>receive your signal not someone else's. Yeah, but anyway, and

0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:50.040
<v Speaker 1>so as these these conflicts are going on, these like

0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 1>weird ven diagrams of stations playing up against one another,

0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:58.160
<v Speaker 1>the government starts to become interested, as we as we've

0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:01.680
<v Speaker 1>talked about, and especially because of military reasons. So the

0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Navy says, you know what, we should really take control

0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:06.600
<v Speaker 1>of this as a means of national defense. And the

0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:08.480
<v Speaker 1>way that they thought it should be run was basically

0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:11.800
<v Speaker 1>like the post office, that the you know, the federal

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:17.000
<v Speaker 1>government should own and control what is broadcast on radio signals.

0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Obviously that that didn't end up happening, but then you

0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:24.280
<v Speaker 1>get this huge boom because of the amateur radio movement.

0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:27.640
<v Speaker 1>From nine to nineteen twenty three, the number of radio

0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:30.720
<v Speaker 1>sets in America increased from sixty thousand to one point

0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 1>five millions. That's a huge adoption rates massive and UH

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:40.840
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen two there were twenty eight stations in operation,

0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:45.600
<v Speaker 1>but I think it like exploded to hundreds very quickly. Um.

0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:49.480
<v Speaker 1>And then enter the scene a little guy named Herbert Hoover,

0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:53.040
<v Speaker 1>who was at the time the Secretary of Commerce, right,

0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:56.359
<v Speaker 1>and the and the Department of Commerce oversaw radio at

0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:59.919
<v Speaker 1>this time. Yeah, yeah, And he was really the initiative

0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:03.320
<v Speaker 1>of that idea. He was the one who said, uh,

0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:07.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, uh, he really wanted the Department of Commerce

0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:10.759
<v Speaker 1>to control it first of all. But he also said,

0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:13.399
<v Speaker 1>and this is another quote, he said, at first, the

0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:16.960
<v Speaker 1>idea of making money off radio seemed profane. It is

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:20.880
<v Speaker 1>inconceivable that we should allow so great a possibility for service,

0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:24.759
<v Speaker 1>for news, for entertainment, and for vital commercial purposes to

0:36:24.840 --> 0:36:29.000
<v Speaker 1>be drowned in advertising chatter. This is Herbert Hoover who

0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:32.919
<v Speaker 1>subsequently ends up using the government to support the businesses

0:36:33.640 --> 0:36:39.400
<v Speaker 1>UH in terms of businesses over amateur radio stations, UH

0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 1>in terms of their licensing and his other analogy for

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 1>radio was that he thought of it as transportation rather

0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:48.120
<v Speaker 1>than the post office analogy that the Navy was using.

0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:49.680
<v Speaker 1>He thought it was like, we should think of them

0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 1>as like waterways, and that the public should be be

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:55.799
<v Speaker 1>able to ride these waterways, but that the government would

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:59.920
<v Speaker 1>regulate how they did. So I like this this message

0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:02.680
<v Speaker 1>year two of the We're one of the world's first

0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:07.960
<v Speaker 1>radio ads aired on August two, uh for a housing

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:12.040
<v Speaker 1>development in Queens. Yeah. Yeah, this is the They were

0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:16.560
<v Speaker 1>basically like um advocating what we would now call gentrification

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:19.479
<v Speaker 1>or like get This is a quote from that ad.

0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Get away from the solid masses of brick, where children

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:25.440
<v Speaker 1>grow up starved for a run over a patch of grass,

0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:29.759
<v Speaker 1>but my child's never seen what a tree looks like.

0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 1>The Queen this is the first thing that we we

0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:37.439
<v Speaker 1>sold on radio. That's hilarious. Yeah. But so Hoover goes

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:41.960
<v Speaker 1>on in inwo He calls together the first American Radio Conference,

0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:44.920
<v Speaker 1>which is he brings together representatives from and I put

0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:48.759
<v Speaker 1>this in quote radio industry because it really wasn't an industry,

0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:51.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's just kind of and and this included

0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 1>not only you know, the businesses that had interests in mind,

0:37:55.239 --> 0:38:00.440
<v Speaker 1>but also the amateur radio operators, and no action was taken. Uh,

0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:03.640
<v Speaker 1>there were calls for legislation they introduced to build a congress.

0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Congress is like, no, we don't want to have anything

0:38:05.480 --> 0:38:08.200
<v Speaker 1>to do with this. And there's political reasons behind that

0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:12.879
<v Speaker 1>that I'll get into later. Um. Then by nineteen we've

0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:19.480
<v Speaker 1>got fourteen hundred radio stations, not just what did I say? Yeah,

0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:22.680
<v Speaker 1>and you So you've got these big commercial broadcasters that

0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:26.239
<v Speaker 1>are forming networks like NBC and CBS, both of them

0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:32.480
<v Speaker 1>they've formed in ven respectively. Uh, and it's very similar

0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:35.759
<v Speaker 1>today to the same that NBC and CBS that we

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:39.880
<v Speaker 1>understand as being television. Right now, now I've got the

0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:43.520
<v Speaker 1>beginning of one of the weirdest stories I've ever heard.

0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:45.680
<v Speaker 1>This guy is my favorite. I agree, I think you

0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:47.640
<v Speaker 1>should do a whole episode about this guy. I could

0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:49.920
<v Speaker 1>easily do a whole episode about this guy. And and

0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:54.400
<v Speaker 1>he's going to pepper through parts of the rest of

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:57.319
<v Speaker 1>this episode. So nineteen twenty three is what we're talking

0:38:57.320 --> 0:38:59.239
<v Speaker 1>about here. We're going back just a little bit too

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:03.080
<v Speaker 1>to set the stay age. That's when doctor used it.

0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:06.160
<v Speaker 1>In quotes. John R. Brinkley starts up a radio station

0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:10.319
<v Speaker 1>called kf KB in Kansas. So let me tell you

0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 1>about doctor Brinkley. First of all, he wasn't a real doctor.

0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:17.080
<v Speaker 1>He's like the original snake oil salesman. He he at

0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:20.399
<v Speaker 1>least perfected it to an art form, right. He went

0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:23.560
<v Speaker 1>to medical school. They never graduated, but he bought a

0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:26.640
<v Speaker 1>diploma from a diploma mill for five hundred dollars not

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:30.440
<v Speaker 1>an insignificant amount of money. That's bad, uh, And it

0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:33.040
<v Speaker 1>gave him the right to practice medicine in some states,

0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:39.239
<v Speaker 1>including Kansas. He purchased diploma, not not an actual like

0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:42.160
<v Speaker 1>proof that he had the training that would allow him

0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:45.640
<v Speaker 1>to do this. So anyway, he starts practicing medicine. He

0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:49.400
<v Speaker 1>had previously been involved in some scams and cons including

0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:52.440
<v Speaker 1>things like selling tinted water as if it were an

0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:58.400
<v Speaker 1>actual medicinal cure and injecting it into people. But I

0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:00.960
<v Speaker 1>want to see a movie about this guy his life,

0:40:00.960 --> 0:40:02.440
<v Speaker 1>and I want to see a movie. I want to

0:40:02.440 --> 0:40:04.120
<v Speaker 1>see a movie about this guy. I want to see

0:40:04.200 --> 0:40:07.200
<v Speaker 1>him cast. I want I want Simon Peg to play him.

0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:12.520
<v Speaker 1>He's just like deviously injecting things into people and cutting

0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:14.920
<v Speaker 1>open their necks. I think I think either Simon Peg

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:17.080
<v Speaker 1>or Neil Patrick Harris. That would be prilliant. Yeah, he

0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:20.360
<v Speaker 1>would be good. It's like evil dookie houser. Yeah. So

0:40:20.560 --> 0:40:22.880
<v Speaker 1>he had he had been hired as a house doctor

0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:25.600
<v Speaker 1>for a meat packing company and he observed the rigorous

0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:29.960
<v Speaker 1>mating habits of goats. Uh. Yeah, So let's slow down

0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:32.640
<v Speaker 1>for a second, of people, This means that he watched

0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:38.279
<v Speaker 1>goats have sex for a long time and enthusiastically the

0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:40.200
<v Speaker 1>goats at least I don't know about him, but the

0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:43.440
<v Speaker 1>goats were certainly enthusiastic. So he was talking to a

0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:46.760
<v Speaker 1>male patient once about the fact that the male patient

0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:49.360
<v Speaker 1>was having problems in the bedroom. He was having a

0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:55.120
<v Speaker 1>failing libido rectile dysfunction. Perhaps the the actual nature of

0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:59.080
<v Speaker 1>the problem was not what explained in all the sources

0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:02.080
<v Speaker 1>I looked at, but had something to do with failing

0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:07.440
<v Speaker 1>libido or or um, you know, virility. And so supposedly

0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:10.200
<v Speaker 1>what Dr Brinkley did was jokingly suggest that perhaps they

0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:14.960
<v Speaker 1>should transplant plant some goat quote unquote glands and gonads

0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:19.120
<v Speaker 1>into the mail patient. And he said, let's do it.

0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Let's fire us like the original body modification. Give me

0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:26.400
<v Speaker 1>some give me some of them goat glands. So he

0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:29.319
<v Speaker 1>does he actually did start performing this, and then he

0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:33.880
<v Speaker 1>started to suggest, like he began to essentially advertise saying,

0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:37.879
<v Speaker 1>this is a way to restore virility for men. Uh,

0:41:38.440 --> 0:41:41.880
<v Speaker 1>let me do this this medical procedure for a not

0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:46.680
<v Speaker 1>insignificant amount of money. So flash forward to when he

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:49.000
<v Speaker 1>gets the radio station and he starts to fill his

0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:53.600
<v Speaker 1>broadcast time with music and medical lectures, and he would

0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:56.919
<v Speaker 1>end up advocating for this kind of treatment and other

0:41:57.239 --> 0:42:01.120
<v Speaker 1>treatments that were equally bogus advertise thing to Yeah, and

0:42:01.160 --> 0:42:04.680
<v Speaker 1>he was. He was essentially throwing business to surgeons, into

0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:10.919
<v Speaker 1>pharmacists and getting kickbacks every single time and making a

0:42:10.960 --> 0:42:15.319
<v Speaker 1>mint off it. So he's in full operation and will

0:42:15.440 --> 0:42:20.279
<v Speaker 1>end up, believe it or not, defining in part why

0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:22.719
<v Speaker 1>radio has regulated the way it is. But we'll get

0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:25.200
<v Speaker 1>to that. Yeah, I know he's important to the history

0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:29.520
<v Speaker 1>of it UM. In the meantime, Hoover's continuing to negotiate

0:42:29.560 --> 0:42:33.080
<v Speaker 1>with stations and the government on how it should be regulated.

0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:37.400
<v Speaker 1>And you know, basically, as the Secretary of Commerce, his

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:41.040
<v Speaker 1>work is to let the stations work out amongst themselves

0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:43.239
<v Speaker 1>which frequency is going to be used and when and

0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:45.600
<v Speaker 1>how they overlap. You it it wasn't really you know, handing

0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:50.280
<v Speaker 1>it out. He wouldn't occasionally make decisions. And what happened

0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:54.360
<v Speaker 1>was in the federal court was like whoa, whoa, you

0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:58.040
<v Speaker 1>don't have this power. And specifically, the Attorney General of

0:42:58.040 --> 0:43:01.359
<v Speaker 1>the United States, who you know, was from the same

0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:05.120
<v Speaker 1>administration that the Secretary of Commerce was, decided that Hoover

0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:08.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't have this power, he could not grant permits at request,

0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 1>and that all of a sudden, these air waves turned

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:14.160
<v Speaker 1>into even more of this like wild wild West of

0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:19.799
<v Speaker 1>broadcasting than they already were. Uh. And so obviously more

0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:23.120
<v Speaker 1>regulation is even is necessary. And Coolidge is the president

0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:25.960
<v Speaker 1>of the time. He favors the control by the Department

0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:30.120
<v Speaker 1>of Commerce obviously because it's under his branch, and he

0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:34.000
<v Speaker 1>opposes any kind of commission being formed. The Senate, however,

0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:37.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't like the idea of one man being in control.

0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:39.359
<v Speaker 1>And this is where the political angle comes in, because

0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:41.759
<v Speaker 1>they knew that Herbert Hoover had his eye on the

0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:45.080
<v Speaker 1>presidency and they didn't want to give him any political

0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:50.040
<v Speaker 1>prestige for taking care of the radio problem. Interesting, and

0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:54.600
<v Speaker 1>also this will probably seem familiar to people following them,

0:43:54.600 --> 0:43:57.719
<v Speaker 1>that neutrality arguments where one of the big problems was

0:43:57.760 --> 0:44:01.920
<v Speaker 1>the FCC had brought a race against Comcast for blocking

0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:06.439
<v Speaker 1>bit torrent traffic, and then the response was, you don't

0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:09.759
<v Speaker 1>have authority to tell Comcast what it can and can't

0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:14.600
<v Speaker 1>do because Internet transmissions were a title one classification, not

0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:17.880
<v Speaker 1>titled two. Uh. And if you want to know more

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:20.160
<v Speaker 1>about that, you can listen to the title to podcast

0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:22.920
<v Speaker 1>I did and Common Carrier podcast I did from a

0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:25.480
<v Speaker 1>while back to to learn more about it. But just

0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:28.520
<v Speaker 1>suffice it to say that this is something that we've

0:44:28.520 --> 0:44:31.640
<v Speaker 1>seen before and we'll likely see again. I just I

0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:35.840
<v Speaker 1>think it's fascinating that, like the future of this major

0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:41.600
<v Speaker 1>media uh, was decided by people who wanted to screw

0:44:41.680 --> 0:44:45.600
<v Speaker 1>over a political candidate potentially running Yeah yeah, and sometimes

0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:49.720
<v Speaker 1>just people who were wanting to screw over inventors. Uh.

0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:53.440
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy. We'll talk more about those two in Congress

0:44:53.480 --> 0:44:57.239
<v Speaker 1>creates the Federal Radio Commission and passes the Radio Act

0:44:57.280 --> 0:45:00.279
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen twenty seven. Now, before that time, it was

0:45:00.400 --> 0:45:02.840
<v Speaker 1>all the Department of Commerce, like Christian was saying, So

0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the Commission's job was to get radio into shape, and

0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:09.240
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to have a little more power than Department

0:45:09.239 --> 0:45:12.280
<v Speaker 1>of Commerce, which could grant broadcast licenses, but couldn't deny

0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:15.640
<v Speaker 1>a broadcast license. So if you requested it, if you

0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:17.239
<v Speaker 1>did all the things you were supposed to do, you

0:45:17.239 --> 0:45:20.960
<v Speaker 1>would get one. You couldn't be told no, So the

0:45:20.960 --> 0:45:23.120
<v Speaker 1>Federal Radio Commission was supposed to be able to say

0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:27.359
<v Speaker 1>no if it was warranted. Um, the question of how

0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:31.080
<v Speaker 1>they determined how it was warranted was something of a problem.

0:45:31.200 --> 0:45:33.760
<v Speaker 1>And uh. The Act also laid out rules for content.

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Programming could not have obscene, in decent or profane language,

0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:41.239
<v Speaker 1>and the Commission could and did use content as a

0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:45.080
<v Speaker 1>factor when deciding whether or not to renew a broadcast license.

0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:49.560
<v Speaker 1>So if you were broadcasting and not paying a whole

0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:53.440
<v Speaker 1>attention to those content rules, you wouldn't necessarily have your

0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:55.879
<v Speaker 1>license revoked, but when you went back to get your

0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:59.439
<v Speaker 1>license renewed, you might be denied. Right, And this makes

0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:02.200
<v Speaker 1>sense in light of other arguments that were going on

0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:05.160
<v Speaker 1>with media over the you know, the twenty years probably

0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:09.920
<v Speaker 1>surrounding this, both with the cinema, and I would assume

0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:14.160
<v Speaker 1>newspapers and comic books as well. Yeah, all looking at

0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:20.640
<v Speaker 1>the government, the government trying to deem what was profane

0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:24.000
<v Speaker 1>or wasn't, but also trying to leave it in the

0:46:24.000 --> 0:46:26.799
<v Speaker 1>public's hands to decide. Yeah. There was also a real

0:46:26.840 --> 0:46:30.560
<v Speaker 1>worry about how far can you rule on these things

0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:34.000
<v Speaker 1>before it becomes censorship, So that, I mean, that's a

0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:36.480
<v Speaker 1>real worry, right, because they didn't want to be accused

0:46:37.000 --> 0:46:42.040
<v Speaker 1>of taking away somebody's right to free speech. Yeah. Um.

0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:47.680
<v Speaker 1>And so the fr C Federal Radio Commission, it was

0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:50.520
<v Speaker 1>really just like this compromise, this political compromise. And so

0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:53.960
<v Speaker 1>the idea was like really like they just assumed, they

0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:57.080
<v Speaker 1>being Congress, that it was going to go away after

0:46:57.120 --> 0:46:59.560
<v Speaker 1>a year as part of a political deal basically to

0:46:59.640 --> 0:47:02.799
<v Speaker 1>keep who were out of office, and especially because of

0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:07.760
<v Speaker 1>the commercial radio interests, these guys who were lobbying their politicians. Uh,

0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:10.520
<v Speaker 1>they wanted the regulation to go back to the Secretary

0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:13.720
<v Speaker 1>of Commerce. They just didn't want it to be Hoover. Uh.

0:47:13.760 --> 0:47:17.200
<v Speaker 1>And so they and their supporters in Congress would belittle

0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:21.160
<v Speaker 1>the FARC's accomplishments, even as they had they had subsequently

0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:23.799
<v Speaker 1>argued that it should exist, and then as it was

0:47:23.880 --> 0:47:26.399
<v Speaker 1>going along, they would say, oh, this is terrible, you're

0:47:26.440 --> 0:47:29.680
<v Speaker 1>not doing a good job. And Uh. The FARC was

0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:33.120
<v Speaker 1>handicapped by a number of things. A limited financial resources,

0:47:33.400 --> 0:47:37.839
<v Speaker 1>had an inadequate staff. Uh, and as we're talking about here,

0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:40.719
<v Speaker 1>it really didn't have any power authority, and its existence

0:47:40.760 --> 0:47:43.000
<v Speaker 1>was in question from the very day that it was

0:47:43.520 --> 0:47:48.720
<v Speaker 1>it was created. It was like they were constantly on probation. Yeah.

0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:51.520
<v Speaker 1>It was one of those things where, um, they're also

0:47:51.560 --> 0:47:55.880
<v Speaker 1>they're very organization ended up being a problem. So. Uh.

0:47:56.280 --> 0:47:58.680
<v Speaker 1>One of the things about the FARC was that they

0:47:58.680 --> 0:48:02.200
<v Speaker 1>were organized so that the entire United States was divided

0:48:02.239 --> 0:48:06.080
<v Speaker 1>into into zones. Yeah. They called this sectionalism, and each

0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:10.520
<v Speaker 1>zone was giving given the same number of broadcast licenses

0:48:10.600 --> 0:48:15.160
<v Speaker 1>essentially as every other zone, which you know, from one perspective,

0:48:15.160 --> 0:48:17.480
<v Speaker 1>sounds like it would be fair, like everybody gets the

0:48:17.520 --> 0:48:20.520
<v Speaker 1>same amount, But then you think where's the population distribution.

0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:24.680
<v Speaker 1>The Northeast is very heavily populated and the Southwest is

0:48:24.840 --> 0:48:28.680
<v Speaker 1>very lightly populated, and so you don't have enough broadcast

0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:31.120
<v Speaker 1>licenses for the Northeast and you have too many for

0:48:31.200 --> 0:48:34.399
<v Speaker 1>the Southwest. So these were so simple things, like just

0:48:34.480 --> 0:48:39.120
<v Speaker 1>the way things were set up kind of set the

0:48:39.239 --> 0:48:41.640
<v Speaker 1>f r C up for failure. It did, Yeah, especially

0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:45.880
<v Speaker 1>because when that happened, Southerners in particular felt like they

0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:50.200
<v Speaker 1>weren't being treated fairly, uh, and it led to the

0:48:50.320 --> 0:48:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Davis Amendment in March. The idea was that there had

0:48:55.600 --> 0:48:59.000
<v Speaker 1>to be an equal allocation of licenses, band frequencies, periods

0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:01.640
<v Speaker 1>of time for operation and station power for each of

0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:06.080
<v Speaker 1>these five zones and that so you know, obviously sexualism

0:49:06.120 --> 0:49:08.880
<v Speaker 1>was a huge problem for the FARC. And this is

0:49:08.960 --> 0:49:12.520
<v Speaker 1>even before we get into the business interest to angle right, right, right,

0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:15.600
<v Speaker 1>This is just in the operation part of the FARC,

0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:18.759
<v Speaker 1>not even getting into the business section. But these are

0:49:18.800 --> 0:49:21.600
<v Speaker 1>definitely important things to to consider. The idea of being

0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:24.719
<v Speaker 1>able to say, here's the frequency you are allowed to use,

0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:27.480
<v Speaker 1>here's the amount of power your transmitter is allowed to have,

0:49:27.960 --> 0:49:29.839
<v Speaker 1>so that way we can make sure that we don't

0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:33.600
<v Speaker 1>have these battling frequencies interfering with one another, because that's

0:49:33.600 --> 0:49:35.560
<v Speaker 1>not gonna be good for anybody. It's not good for

0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:38.120
<v Speaker 1>the transmitter, it's not good for the consumer who's trying

0:49:38.120 --> 0:49:41.480
<v Speaker 1>to receive these. All of that made sense, but they

0:49:41.480 --> 0:49:44.239
<v Speaker 1>were hampered so much. And also, I mean, there were

0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:48.280
<v Speaker 1>a lot of shady political goings on along with corporate

0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:51.319
<v Speaker 1>goings on at the same time. They were essentially trying

0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:57.680
<v Speaker 1>to fulfill this mission of favoring big business over amateur radios.

0:49:58.120 --> 0:50:02.000
<v Speaker 1>And they actually there's an actual FARC memo that says, quote,

0:50:02.239 --> 0:50:04.960
<v Speaker 1>there is not room in the broadcast band for every

0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:09.400
<v Speaker 1>school of thought, whether it's religious, political, social, social, or economic.

0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:14.120
<v Speaker 1>Each can't have its own separate broadcasting station or a

0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:17.879
<v Speaker 1>mouthpiece in the ether. Uh So they, you know, they

0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:21.160
<v Speaker 1>were coming down pretty hard on these these amateur stations

0:50:21.200 --> 0:50:25.080
<v Speaker 1>that were given providing you know, a pulpit essentially to

0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:28.960
<v Speaker 1>anybody who had the means to to operate a broadcast

0:50:29.640 --> 0:50:33.880
<v Speaker 1>um in favor of the businesses that were you know,

0:50:34.160 --> 0:50:38.839
<v Speaker 1>lobbying to have them created in the first place. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So,

0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:44.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, very complicated issue. The technology, oddly enough, less

0:50:44.640 --> 0:50:48.160
<v Speaker 1>complicated than the politics and culture surrounding it. In this case,

0:50:48.840 --> 0:50:53.000
<v Speaker 1>like the stories end up getting um Like it's the

0:50:53.080 --> 0:50:56.560
<v Speaker 1>human element that really throws the monkey wrench in here. Yeah. So,

0:50:56.640 --> 0:51:00.640
<v Speaker 1>for instance, like you've got this happens, the our c says,

0:51:00.719 --> 0:51:03.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, this isn't this isn't a pulpit for your beliefs,

0:51:03.440 --> 0:51:05.920
<v Speaker 1>and then the labor movement, which is very powerful at

0:51:05.920 --> 0:51:08.319
<v Speaker 1>the time, says, wait a minute, we should have a

0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:11.240
<v Speaker 1>clear channel that we can broadcast over these five zones

0:51:11.560 --> 0:51:14.000
<v Speaker 1>so we can talk to people about labor interests. And

0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:17.560
<v Speaker 1>then educators said, yeah, so should we uh, And so

0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:20.959
<v Speaker 1>there's all this pressure from the public, and then subsequently

0:51:21.000 --> 0:51:24.080
<v Speaker 1>Congress uses that and just keeps pushing on the f

0:51:24.280 --> 0:51:27.359
<v Speaker 1>r C, saying you're really blowing it here. Yeah. So

0:51:27.960 --> 0:51:30.880
<v Speaker 1>you've got a great bullet list here of the working

0:51:30.920 --> 0:51:33.919
<v Speaker 1>principles of the f r C. Let's go through those. Yeah.

0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:37.759
<v Speaker 1>So this is how they would ostensibly decide things. The

0:51:37.800 --> 0:51:40.319
<v Speaker 1>first is that the station with the longest record of

0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:45.200
<v Speaker 1>continuous service had the superior right for broadcasting on a

0:51:45.200 --> 0:51:49.799
<v Speaker 1>particular channel, right, but they had a stipulation. There were

0:51:49.840 --> 0:51:52.600
<v Speaker 1>other conditions as well. So in order to fulfill the

0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:57.000
<v Speaker 1>fair and equitable distribution that was required by them, an

0:51:57.040 --> 0:52:00.800
<v Speaker 1>applicant who wanted to broadcast needed firm find ancial standing

0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:05.319
<v Speaker 1>and efficient equipment. That's pretty vague, right, So it's up

0:52:05.320 --> 0:52:07.800
<v Speaker 1>to this f r C, not f c C f

0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:11.600
<v Speaker 1>r C commissioner at the time to determine what firm

0:52:11.680 --> 0:52:15.080
<v Speaker 1>financial standing means and what efficient equipment means, especially as

0:52:15.080 --> 0:52:19.560
<v Speaker 1>this equipment is evolving at a rapid pace. Um. And

0:52:19.600 --> 0:52:22.080
<v Speaker 1>then you also had to obey the rules of the

0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:25.880
<v Speaker 1>obscene of not broadcasting obscene content like we talked about earlier,

0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:31.480
<v Speaker 1>and basically keeping it so that the dissemination of propaganda

0:52:32.239 --> 0:52:36.600
<v Speaker 1>wasn't controlled by a single group, and that creeds were

0:52:36.680 --> 0:52:40.000
<v Speaker 1>supposed to find that this is another quote that I loved,

0:52:40.160 --> 0:52:42.520
<v Speaker 1>find their way into the market of ideas to be

0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:45.920
<v Speaker 1>on the air. There was this idea that, um, there

0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:49.719
<v Speaker 1>was a there would be a natural kind of uh

0:52:50.000 --> 0:52:54.400
<v Speaker 1>process throughout the radio operators in the public that decide

0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:58.200
<v Speaker 1>which political agendas should get to be broadcast on the

0:52:58.280 --> 0:53:01.319
<v Speaker 1>radio or not, rather than just give everyone the opportunity

0:53:01.360 --> 0:53:04.240
<v Speaker 1>to Yeah, and that would actually change too. There would

0:53:04.360 --> 0:53:07.120
<v Speaker 1>there would eventually become a decision where people would say,

0:53:07.160 --> 0:53:09.040
<v Speaker 1>you know what, we need to make sure that everyone

0:53:09.120 --> 0:53:14.239
<v Speaker 1>has equal opportunity to voice there, to to put their

0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:17.840
<v Speaker 1>political voice out there. But that would be an idea

0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:22.440
<v Speaker 1>that would come around a little later. Yeah, So, you know,

0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:26.640
<v Speaker 1>saying let's just put this out there and see what happens,

0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:30.040
<v Speaker 1>and and I trust that whatever outcome there is, it

0:53:30.120 --> 0:53:33.279
<v Speaker 1>will be for the best didn't always work out. It's

0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:36.160
<v Speaker 1>like it's like saying, the laws of nature will decide

0:53:36.640 --> 0:53:39.160
<v Speaker 1>who the best person for president of the United states

0:53:39.160 --> 0:53:42.319
<v Speaker 1>would be So what sort of stuff did we get

0:53:42.400 --> 0:53:46.839
<v Speaker 1>as a result of this. Well, subsequently, the FRC didn't

0:53:46.880 --> 0:53:51.440
<v Speaker 1>want to regulate advertising. Uh, not only because you know,

0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:56.120
<v Speaker 1>the advertiser's interests were also their interests, but also because

0:53:56.160 --> 0:53:58.760
<v Speaker 1>the commission chose to further the ends of the commercial

0:53:58.800 --> 0:54:02.160
<v Speaker 1>broadcasters as part of what they called the public interest.

0:54:02.600 --> 0:54:05.640
<v Speaker 1>So the FARC had this ability to claim that it

0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:08.120
<v Speaker 1>didn't have powers of censorship and it couldn't be held

0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:12.919
<v Speaker 1>responsible for questionable advertising such as cigarettes. You know, those

0:54:13.000 --> 0:54:17.320
<v Speaker 1>like old corny cigarette ads that Judy hear on radio

0:54:17.600 --> 0:54:19.160
<v Speaker 1>right now. If you listen, if you ever listen to

0:54:19.160 --> 0:54:22.000
<v Speaker 1>old timey radio that has the commercial still in it,

0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:24.640
<v Speaker 1>you will hear tons of these. So they didn't want

0:54:24.640 --> 0:54:27.799
<v Speaker 1>to censor those. But at the same time, they would

0:54:27.840 --> 0:54:30.520
<v Speaker 1>rule that public stations that were on the air could

0:54:30.600 --> 0:54:32.120
<v Speaker 1>or could not be on the air because of their

0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:35.799
<v Speaker 1>quality of character, which I think is kind of fascinating

0:54:35.840 --> 0:54:38.040
<v Speaker 1>that you know it was. I would assume at the

0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:42.439
<v Speaker 1>time that it was maybe arguments of political beliefs, right, um, yeah,

0:54:42.560 --> 0:54:46.200
<v Speaker 1>very likely religious. This actually makes me think of how

0:54:47.160 --> 0:54:51.160
<v Speaker 1>it's unrelated. It's tangential, But how if I'm watching a

0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:57.160
<v Speaker 1>streaming content on my one of my devices, whenever it

0:54:57.200 --> 0:55:00.239
<v Speaker 1>gets to the content part, like whatever I'm actually trying

0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:03.080
<v Speaker 1>to see, I might encounter buffering three or four times,

0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:06.879
<v Speaker 1>depending upon the connection. But commercials always seemed to play

0:55:06.960 --> 0:55:11.040
<v Speaker 1>with perfect clarity and no buffering whatsoever. Isn't that interesting,

0:55:11.200 --> 0:55:14.400
<v Speaker 1>especially especially when you're when you're on YouTube, and YouTube

0:55:14.440 --> 0:55:17.640
<v Speaker 1>has got that new sort of passive aggressive alert that

0:55:17.680 --> 0:55:19.560
<v Speaker 1>comes up at the bottom that says, hey, just so

0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:21.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, this isn't US, it's the limits of your

0:55:22.120 --> 0:55:28.480
<v Speaker 1>bandwidth provider, right, commercial. So it's interesting to me also

0:55:28.640 --> 0:55:30.960
<v Speaker 1>that the public, you know, you would think like, oh,

0:55:31.040 --> 0:55:33.680
<v Speaker 1>the public, were they crying out on behalf of the

0:55:33.719 --> 0:55:36.480
<v Speaker 1>little guy, And it turns out they weren't. In large part,

0:55:36.560 --> 0:55:40.200
<v Speaker 1>they were actually citing with the big networks. Yeah they were.

0:55:40.400 --> 0:55:42.920
<v Speaker 1>And what's kind of interesting about this is, yeah, they

0:55:42.920 --> 0:55:45.239
<v Speaker 1>were more interested in the content that NBC, r c

0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:48.600
<v Speaker 1>A and CBS was we're putting out um and even

0:55:48.600 --> 0:55:50.560
<v Speaker 1>though some people argued, you know, our c has a

0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:54.680
<v Speaker 1>monopoly on this industry. Uh, it's interesting, Like there was

0:55:54.760 --> 0:55:57.760
<v Speaker 1>another argument that was essentially that, look, the mass public

0:55:57.840 --> 0:56:01.160
<v Speaker 1>just wants entertainment from these radio chances. They don't want

0:56:01.160 --> 0:56:03.239
<v Speaker 1>to be educated, they don't want to listen to your

0:56:03.280 --> 0:56:08.080
<v Speaker 1>political screeds, and so subsequently they're complacent about the whole

0:56:08.120 --> 0:56:10.560
<v Speaker 1>thing and they don't really care whether or not these

0:56:10.600 --> 0:56:15.520
<v Speaker 1>amateur radio stations are getting edged out. UM. And so again,

0:56:15.560 --> 0:56:18.080
<v Speaker 1>like I turned back to this nine article by this

0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:22.759
<v Speaker 1>guy Herring out of the Harvard Review, and he proposed

0:56:23.000 --> 0:56:25.279
<v Speaker 1>that there are two potential solutions, which I think are

0:56:25.320 --> 0:56:27.960
<v Speaker 1>really interesting now that we have the the advantage of

0:56:28.000 --> 0:56:30.080
<v Speaker 1>being so far ahead and time and looking back on this,

0:56:30.200 --> 0:56:33.520
<v Speaker 1>and he said, the only possible solutions are that we

0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:37.160
<v Speaker 1>go for full government ownership. His example was the BBC

0:56:37.320 --> 0:56:40.719
<v Speaker 1>at the time. UH. And he said, yeah, there's criticisms

0:56:40.760 --> 0:56:43.960
<v Speaker 1>that come in the form of minorities, not not ethnic minorities,

0:56:44.000 --> 0:56:47.120
<v Speaker 1>but like minorities of of voice claiming that they aren't

0:56:47.160 --> 0:56:49.560
<v Speaker 1>given equal opportunity to access to stations. So that's the

0:56:49.600 --> 0:56:52.400
<v Speaker 1>one negative drawback to that. And he said, or we

0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:55.880
<v Speaker 1>could a lot of fixed percentage of radio facilities just

0:56:56.080 --> 0:57:00.759
<v Speaker 1>for nonprofit programs. UH. And then whatever is whether it's

0:57:01.280 --> 0:57:04.880
<v Speaker 1>uh they allocate a certain number of frequencies or maybe

0:57:04.920 --> 0:57:07.839
<v Speaker 1>they say, you know, the commercial stations can broadcast for

0:57:07.880 --> 0:57:10.719
<v Speaker 1>these twelve hours a day and then another twelve hours

0:57:10.719 --> 0:57:14.239
<v Speaker 1>a day. It's our nonprofit stations. Um. But even if

0:57:14.280 --> 0:57:17.880
<v Speaker 1>they did that, there were so much demand for nonprofit

0:57:17.920 --> 0:57:23.240
<v Speaker 1>amateur radio that they didn't have enough enough to accommodate everybody.

0:57:23.280 --> 0:57:27.040
<v Speaker 1>There wasn't enough literally in this case, it wasn't There

0:57:27.040 --> 0:57:31.280
<v Speaker 1>weren't enough frequencies to facilitate it. Yeah. Yeah. So this

0:57:31.360 --> 0:57:36.440
<v Speaker 1>is really between where we see the beginning of the

0:57:36.600 --> 0:57:42.800
<v Speaker 1>radio industry, an actual radio industry that is commercialized, and

0:57:43.040 --> 0:57:45.800
<v Speaker 1>there are questions that we're going around about, well, how

0:57:45.800 --> 0:57:49.360
<v Speaker 1>should broadcasting be financed, how should we produce our programs,

0:57:49.720 --> 0:57:53.560
<v Speaker 1>how should we distribute all of this stuff? And amateur

0:57:53.560 --> 0:57:57.040
<v Speaker 1>broadcasting moved away as much as it was, like kind

0:57:57.080 --> 0:57:58.960
<v Speaker 1>of I think of it as being like the fandom

0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:02.640
<v Speaker 1>of today, you know. I keep thinking that's amateur radios

0:58:02.680 --> 0:58:07.320
<v Speaker 1>like the tumbler of the twenties, UM, and that there

0:58:07.320 --> 0:58:13.480
<v Speaker 1>were so many fandoms expressed there. But ultimately other stations

0:58:13.520 --> 0:58:18.800
<v Speaker 1>that had commercial enterprises behind them, or even commercial enterprises themselves,

0:58:18.880 --> 0:58:23.720
<v Speaker 1>like department stores or music stores or doctors or Mr

0:58:23.760 --> 0:58:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Brinkley sorry Dr brink Yes, uh, he didn't spend three

0:58:28.680 --> 0:58:32.120
<v Speaker 1>years not graduating medical school to be called mr exactly. Yeah,

0:58:32.480 --> 0:58:36.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean that five was well spent. Uh. They ultimately

0:58:37.160 --> 0:58:40.320
<v Speaker 1>were able to you know, put push out these interests

0:58:40.360 --> 0:58:47.480
<v Speaker 1>of the sort of amateur broadcasters. So like our C, A, G. E.

0:58:47.560 --> 0:58:51.400
<v Speaker 1>And Westinghouse, they form NBC because they want to keep

0:58:51.400 --> 0:58:54.560
<v Speaker 1>their interests from diverging, even though their competitors they're also

0:58:54.880 --> 0:58:58.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, united against amateur radio. This leads to the

0:58:58.240 --> 0:59:01.400
<v Speaker 1>rise of advertising sponsorships, which were well familiarly with in

0:59:01.480 --> 0:59:04.640
<v Speaker 1>the podcasting world and with ad agents. This is really

0:59:04.640 --> 0:59:07.480
<v Speaker 1>like the first time that they had like whole ad

0:59:07.480 --> 0:59:11.560
<v Speaker 1>agencies that were working together with these companies kind of

0:59:11.600 --> 0:59:13.760
<v Speaker 1>coming up with how this stuff was going to be broadcasting,

0:59:13.840 --> 0:59:18.120
<v Speaker 1>How is the best way to convince the audience to

0:59:17.680 --> 0:59:23.600
<v Speaker 1>to move from queens or to a cigarette. So looking

0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:26.160
<v Speaker 1>back to our friend that we referred to a second ago,

0:59:26.320 --> 0:59:31.880
<v Speaker 1>doctor John R. Brinkley. Uh, the FRC denied his broadcast

0:59:31.920 --> 0:59:35.400
<v Speaker 1>renewal license in nineteen thirty. So Dr Brinkley comes up

0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:37.440
<v Speaker 1>to the f r C s as a time for

0:59:37.480 --> 0:59:39.640
<v Speaker 1>me to get a little stamp on here so I

0:59:39.640 --> 0:59:44.880
<v Speaker 1>can continue my my good deeds of posting are broadcasting

0:59:44.920 --> 0:59:49.280
<v Speaker 1>fraudulent medical practices and getting kickbacks, and they said nope.

0:59:49.680 --> 0:59:52.560
<v Speaker 1>They actually cited the fraudulent claims and the content as

0:59:52.600 --> 0:59:55.760
<v Speaker 1>the reason, saying it was against their content rules and

0:59:55.800 --> 0:59:58.800
<v Speaker 1>that's why they were not renewing his license. So Brinley

0:59:58.880 --> 1:00:01.520
<v Speaker 1>actually an instance or they did that. Yeah, and it

1:00:01.680 --> 1:00:04.600
<v Speaker 1>was for the good. Yeah, yeah, great for the greater

1:00:04.720 --> 1:00:07.640
<v Speaker 1>good in this case, although Brinkley, Brinkley said that what

1:00:07.680 --> 1:00:12.800
<v Speaker 1>was happening was effectively censorship. Um, and so he protests,

1:00:12.800 --> 1:00:14.840
<v Speaker 1>and what he does. He buys a radio station in

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico that broadcasts had a much higher power than almost

1:00:18.120 --> 1:00:20.480
<v Speaker 1>any station in the US. It was at a hundred

1:00:20.480 --> 1:00:24.240
<v Speaker 1>thousand watts, eventually went up to a half million watts

1:00:24.960 --> 1:00:27.920
<v Speaker 1>and so very powerful radio station compared to the other

1:00:27.960 --> 1:00:30.520
<v Speaker 1>ones that were active at the time. He directs the

1:00:30.560 --> 1:00:35.360
<v Speaker 1>antenna northward into the United States. It's amazing. So here's

1:00:35.440 --> 1:00:37.160
<v Speaker 1>here's the deal. This is this is what's going to

1:00:37.280 --> 1:00:40.520
<v Speaker 1>come back and haunt him. The way this worked was

1:00:40.560 --> 1:00:44.800
<v Speaker 1>that he would, uh, he would actually his studio was

1:00:44.840 --> 1:00:49.160
<v Speaker 1>in the United States, the the stuff he was broadcasting

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<v Speaker 1>would go to Mexico to be transmitted by radio, and

1:00:54.160 --> 1:00:56.320
<v Speaker 1>that's what would eventually come back to get him. But

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<v Speaker 1>that would be another couple of years. He's unfascinating it

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<v Speaker 1>by this guy, he's uh the brass the moxie. Yeah. Um. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>as a side note, one of the things that was

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned at the top from that listener message was FDRs

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<v Speaker 1>fireside chats, and those began in nineteen thirty three. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is really when I mean fireside chats don't happen anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm fairly certain that the President of United States

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<v Speaker 1>still records a weekly message that goes out on radio

1:01:29.960 --> 1:01:34.960
<v Speaker 1>and it becomes an institution. The presidency recognizes the importance

1:01:35.040 --> 1:01:38.400
<v Speaker 1>of this media, of the communicating to the mass public.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in nineteen thirty three, that's when Edwin Howard Edwin

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<v Speaker 1>Howard Armstrong, remember we talked about him earlier, created frequency

1:01:46.040 --> 1:01:50.360
<v Speaker 1>modulation radio or FM radio. So am Remember we mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>changes the peak to peak voltage changes the amplitude of

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<v Speaker 1>that wavelength. Frequency modulation doesn't change the amplitude. It changes

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<v Speaker 1>the number of oscillations per second, the actual frequency of

1:02:01.760 --> 1:02:04.160
<v Speaker 1>the wave within a fairly narrow band, because obviously you

1:02:04.240 --> 1:02:07.680
<v Speaker 1>have to tune to a band of frequencies in order

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<v Speaker 1>to pick things up. Then if it went outside of

1:02:09.760 --> 1:02:12.880
<v Speaker 1>that you wouldn't get it anymore, which is why you

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<v Speaker 1>can overlap stations instead of causing interference. Yeah, as long

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, so you know if you're if you're

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<v Speaker 1>going in an area where the power levels are almost

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<v Speaker 1>the same for the frequencies, that's when you start getting

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<v Speaker 1>that weird thing where you'll hear one station and then

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<v Speaker 1>the other station. Maybe you'll hear both the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's pretty rare. Uh So it's also not as

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<v Speaker 1>prone to static. You don't have the same problems that

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<v Speaker 1>you did with AM with electromagnetic interference. But before it

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<v Speaker 1>could get widespread adoption, Armstrong was essentially backstabbed by his

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<v Speaker 1>former friend David Starnoff, who was head of guess what

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<v Speaker 1>r c A and r c A obviously had a

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<v Speaker 1>big vested interest in AM radio FM was rising as

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<v Speaker 1>a competing technology. Starnoff went nuclear. He he had wanted

1:02:58.480 --> 1:03:01.560
<v Speaker 1>Armstrong to go and create technology to make AM radio

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<v Speaker 1>broadcast more clear, more free of static, and instead Armstrong

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<v Speaker 1>comes up with this alternative to AM radio. But our

1:03:09.560 --> 1:03:14.760
<v Speaker 1>c A is heavily invested in AM, so rather than say,

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<v Speaker 1>let's adopt this new technology and build on it, he

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<v Speaker 1>went nuclear, and he started lobbying the FCC to deny

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<v Speaker 1>an experimental license for UH testing FM radio. Essentially, every

1:03:29.240 --> 1:03:31.680
<v Speaker 1>time Armstrong tried to make a move to push FM

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<v Speaker 1>radio forward, our c A blocked it or tried to

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<v Speaker 1>block it, or complicated litigation ensued. It got very expensive,

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<v Speaker 1>and here's where things get really tragic. UH in the

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<v Speaker 1>and by the time you get to the nineteen forties,

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong was effectively bankrupted by the litigation. He was still

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<v Speaker 1>trying to pursue this. He goes to his wife to

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<v Speaker 1>ask her for some of the money he had given

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<v Speaker 1>her in there earlier part of their relationship that she

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<v Speaker 1>had put aside for their retirement. She denies him this.

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<v Speaker 1>He he has been beaten down totally, and he gets

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<v Speaker 1>enraged and does a horrible act. He grabs a fire poker,

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<v Speaker 1>hits his wife in the arm uh injuring her arm.

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<v Speaker 1>She leaves, obviously, she leaves him that evening. He sits down,

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<v Speaker 1>writes an apologetic letter, and jumps out the window of

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<v Speaker 1>his thirteenth floor building and kills himself. Tragic, tragic story.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are some amazing and powerful stories here. Brinkley

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong Tesla Marconi. Is I mean there's a movie. There

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<v Speaker 1>are many movies to be made from this. Moving on

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<v Speaker 1>the N four Communications Act, huge, huge piece of legislation.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the formation of the fcc UM. The one

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<v Speaker 1>section of that Act is actually where two as the

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<v Speaker 1>Brinkley Act. This is within the overall nine Communications Act.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course the Brinkley Act is in fact named

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<v Speaker 1>after our good buddy, doctor John R. Brinkley. So this

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<v Speaker 1>was the US government's attempt to finally shut down Brinkley

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<v Speaker 1>and his attempts to continue broadcasting. And they said that

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<v Speaker 1>if you are transmitting information from the United States to

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<v Speaker 1>another country to be broadcast, that is a type of

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<v Speaker 1>international commerce and thus can be regulated. And they laid

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<v Speaker 1>down rules and they said, you cannot do this, it

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<v Speaker 1>is against the law. Now we have put that into law.

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<v Speaker 1>It put a stop to his transmitting and he ended

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<v Speaker 1>up trying to do other things. He also, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>really got the government's attention, not just by transmitting messages

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<v Speaker 1>about quackery and terrible medicinal cures for things. He sided

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<v Speaker 1>with the Nazis before the before the United States Center

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<v Speaker 1>of the Ward exactly, it's before the United States was

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<v Speaker 1>in in World War Two. But he started with the

1:06:06.880 --> 1:06:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Nazis did not go over well. Uh, he eventually would

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<v Speaker 1>die of a heart attack in ninety Yeah, and insane

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<v Speaker 1>with Dr Brinkley. But Brinkley, I mean his his actions

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<v Speaker 1>are what in fact there was not. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>case back in the nineteen nineties that related to shutting

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<v Speaker 1>down a uh an organization that was using a similar

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<v Speaker 1>means of transmitting from the United States to a radio

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<v Speaker 1>antenna in Mexico because they had the facility that they

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<v Speaker 1>could use and it was largely unregulated. Even as late

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<v Speaker 1>as nine nineties, we've had cases that fall under this

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<v Speaker 1>part of the Act. For some reason, I'm thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>d d O S attacks. It's like the their version

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<v Speaker 1>of yeah, it's all about stepping around the regulations, right yeah. Well, um, Congress,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, had abolished the f r C, which

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<v Speaker 1>they were hoping to do to begin with, but instead

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<v Speaker 1>of just turning it back over to the Department of Commerce,

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<v Speaker 1>they established the FCC. The mandate of the SEC is

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<v Speaker 1>Interstate and Foreign Commerce in Communication, which is where the

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<v Speaker 1>Brinkley thing comes in. And this is these are the

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<v Speaker 1>three claims that they maintainer. The reason for the FCC

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that radio is available to all for reasonable

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<v Speaker 1>charges and with adequate facilities, so that you're not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>listening to No longer would you be listening to an

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<v Speaker 1>amateur out of their garage, out of their gas station,

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<v Speaker 1>would walk away for five minutes to go pump some

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<v Speaker 1>gas and then come back. You want reliable radio service, America,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna give it to you. And so this

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<v Speaker 1>is also when we start seeing the allocation of large

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<v Speaker 1>frequency bands for AM radio and FM radio. There's still

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<v Speaker 1>is amateur radio. You can get a license to operate

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<v Speaker 1>an amateur radio, but there are very specific band of

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<v Speaker 1>frequencies you are allowed to you you can't use anything

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<v Speaker 1>outside of that. Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>what Herrying was arguing back in the nineteen thirties that

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<v Speaker 1>that there, but it's far more limited than that. I

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<v Speaker 1>think what he was envisioning with that there there would

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<v Speaker 1>be a spectrum for nonprofit radio um and, and he

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<v Speaker 1>also argued that the f c C at the time

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<v Speaker 1>had to decide whether they were going to support commercial

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<v Speaker 1>broadcasters at the expense of nonprofit ones, and ultimately, as

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<v Speaker 1>we know, they decided to do that. Um and even

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<v Speaker 1>though they were hearings going on and reports were being

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<v Speaker 1>pulled together, and the f CC was looking at all

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<v Speaker 1>these things. You know, Ultimately, what we know of as

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<v Speaker 1>the Golden Age of Radio saw the growth of these

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<v Speaker 1>these uh multi corporate networks across the country. Right and

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<v Speaker 1>by this time we're talking about World War two, radio

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<v Speaker 1>now was adopted by a huge percentage of the population.

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<v Speaker 1>Nine and ten families owned a radio and listen to

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<v Speaker 1>an average of three to four hours of programming a day.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like what we picture of that like family

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<v Speaker 1>gathered right time. My place is going in there, all

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<v Speaker 1>gathered around the radio, little orphan nanny and the lone

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<v Speaker 1>Ranger and green hornet and all that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was the Tech Stuff classic episode the Golden

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<v Speaker 1>Age of Radio, which originally published March eleventh, two. Hope

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<v Speaker 1>you enjoyed it, and we will be back next week

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