Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. I am Chris
Speaker 1: Harrison coming to you from our home office in Austin, Texas,
Speaker 1: and I am so excited for the show today because
Speaker 1: two of my favorite people that I have ever met,
Speaker 1: much less on the show, just have ever met in
Speaker 1: my life, Sean and Catherine Lowe. Obviously I met them
Speaker 1: through the show, but have become dear friends of mine,
Speaker 1: and I am excited that they are going to join
Speaker 1: us today and joining me now from their house in Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 1: Catherine and Sean two of my favorite human beings to
Speaker 1: have ever come into my life. One of the blessings,
Speaker 1: one of the blessings of this show, I always say,
Speaker 1: one of the greatest things of this show is it
Speaker 1: brought people into my life that I never would have
Speaker 1: met otherwise, and a lot of them have become near
Speaker 1: and dear to me, and two of you are definitely
Speaker 1: on that list.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, buddy. I always say the best
Speaker 2: thing that came out of that show for me is
Speaker 2: meeting Chris Harrison. So the feeling is mutual, my friend.
Speaker 1: And the shirtless scenes, yeah, and.
Speaker 2: Then the family that's secondary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Catherine and the families definitely behind me. How are
Speaker 1: you guys doing good?
Speaker 2: We are doing truly. I think people are tired of
Speaker 2: hearing us. You know, we did our I did my
Speaker 2: stint on The Bachelor this past season. I think people
Speaker 2: are definitely tired of hearing about the quote unquote success
Speaker 2: couple and oh life is so great. But I kid you,
Speaker 2: not like we wake up every day and we just
Speaker 2: look at ourselves and say, like, we are so blessed.
Speaker 2: This is such an incredible life, and it's it's crazy
Speaker 2: that it's all rooted in that kind of silly TV
Speaker 2: show where we met.
Speaker 1: I didn't watch, so I didn't see your parts, but
Speaker 1: apparently you were on a lot. And I saw something
Speaker 1: on social media that said, is Sean the Bachelor? I
Speaker 1: think he's been on this season more than Zach has.
Speaker 1: They're really hanging their hat on you, buddy, they are
Speaker 1: really hanging their head.
Speaker 2: I know. I saw a lot of funny memes. You
Speaker 2: know it. I think this it's been ten years now.
Speaker 2: I think my run is over. I think I can
Speaker 2: officially retire. Dude.
Speaker 1: You are all they have. I'm telling you, I hope
Speaker 1: you are taking them to the cleaners every time they
Speaker 1: call you. You better just be jacking up your price
Speaker 1: just every time.
Speaker 2: Well, we're working on it, but I think it's probably
Speaker 2: time for me to retire.
Speaker 1: You guys are royalty. You and Catherine should be like,
Speaker 1: send the private jet, we'll fly out the burbank. We'll
Speaker 1: do We'll do a stint on the show. I'll give
Speaker 1: my advice. I think it would. At one point, did
Speaker 1: you just zoom in or face time in?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did some face time in.
Speaker 1: Dude, you're even mailing that in. Now you're like all
Speaker 1: face time in. Hey, Bud, you're doing great. Get married.
Speaker 2: The problem is that since it's been ten years. You know,
Speaker 2: when I first came off the show, there were so
Speaker 2: many young girls that would come up and yelling and screaming,
Speaker 2: oh my goodness, Sean from the back. But now it's
Speaker 2: the people watching the show don't really know me to say,
Speaker 2: oh my mom my, mom loved you to get a picture.
Speaker 1: We have become the David Hasselhoff of the Bachelor bacherette.
Speaker 1: When people come up to me, I get the same thing.
Speaker 1: It'll be a really cute, attractive woman and she'll make
Speaker 1: my grandmother loves you. Well, send your grandmother my love.
Speaker 1: That is it's it's a little deflating, but lovely just
Speaker 1: the same.
Speaker 2: But that is.
Speaker 1: Uh. It does go to show, in all seriousness, how
Speaker 1: beloved you guys are, and that you are really the
Speaker 1: success story, especially when it comes to Bachelor's which is
Speaker 1: just not a successful franchise. When it came to us
Speaker 1: trying to create couples, and I'm curious why you think
Speaker 1: you succeeded where others failed. And I say you as
Speaker 1: the collective you you know, Catherine, obviously you're a huge
Speaker 1: part of this. Why did you guys succeed where others
Speaker 1: have failed?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, we understand why it is easy for
Speaker 3: people not to be together. It's a really challenging come
Speaker 3: off of the show. You don't have each other's numbers,
Speaker 3: you usually don't live in the same city, so pretty
Speaker 3: much everything is against you afterwards. Besides like all the
Speaker 3: fun and the actual real feelings of love, but the
Speaker 3: logistics about it are really challenging. And I think for us,
Speaker 3: we knew that we had said I love you really
Speaker 3: late because we took it super seriously and when we
Speaker 3: got engaged, we knew that that was that was actually
Speaker 3: a very It wasn't like, let's try this out. It
Speaker 3: was no, we really do plan on getting married. So
Speaker 3: with that commitment from both of us being really strong,
Speaker 3: that's what we've led with the whole time. It's just
Speaker 3: the fact that we have committed to each other. We
Speaker 3: could have dipped out, you know, before the wedding, but
Speaker 3: we really did want lives together and we've created this
Speaker 3: amazing life that we're very grateful for. But it takes
Speaker 3: a lot of work, just like any relationship, but the
Speaker 3: show adds more factors of challenge.
Speaker 2: Well, I would add to that. I would say we
Speaker 2: both are pretty grounded in the real world. We both recognized, like,
Speaker 2: this is a ridiculous way to meet your partner. But
Speaker 2: once you recognize that, you can almost put in the
Speaker 2: work to overcome some of the challenges that come your way.
Speaker 2: And not to say we mastered every challenge, because I
Speaker 2: definitely faltered along the way, but yeah, we committed to
Speaker 2: each other. Our relationship has been rooted in faith. I
Speaker 2: think that's a major component.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, I think there's a
Speaker 1: couple of things that really did it for you guys.
Speaker 1: First of all, and I want to circle back to this.
Speaker 1: Maybe the fact that you guys were such a slow
Speaker 1: burn on the show and you came to it so naturally,
Speaker 1: and I watched it happen where you were a little
Speaker 1: reluctant to kind of fall for this and then you did.
Speaker 1: But the fact that both of you were so grounded,
Speaker 1: and I think faith has a ton to do with that.
Speaker 1: And y'all just went back to your lives and started
Speaker 1: working on your relationship realizing that, look, this, as you said,
Speaker 1: it was a crazy way to meet, but I think
Speaker 1: we have something here. Let's actually work on this legitimately.
Speaker 1: And I know that seems so obvious, but it's not
Speaker 1: done very often. And I think your faith and the
Speaker 1: fact that both of you were aligned in that way
Speaker 1: had a lot to do with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree. And I get people, you know
Speaker 2: a lot of my friends who are in their late
Speaker 2: thirties who are like, Hey, I'm ready to get married.
Speaker 2: What does it take? How have you created a successful marriage?
Speaker 2: And I really say it really boils down to committing
Speaker 2: to that person, working on becoming better every day for
Speaker 2: that person. And I definitely haven't perfected it yet, have I? No,
Speaker 2: I'm getting close.
Speaker 1: You're so close to perfection, but it takes.
Speaker 2: So much work. And I'm not talking about people on
Speaker 2: the Bachelor. I'm talking about any relationship of course work
Speaker 2: and so many people in this day and age, it's
Speaker 2: so easy, especially with the dating apps, it's so easily
Speaker 2: to date someone. Move on to the next. Yeah you're unhappy,
Speaker 2: move on to the next. You know she's not perfect,
Speaker 2: Move on to the next. She doesn't look like a model,
Speaker 2: Move on to the next. I mean, you're just gonna
Speaker 2: be unhappy when it's all over with.
Speaker 1: When a life comes down to a screenshot that you
Speaker 1: can swipe away, Yeah, you're swiping away a human being.
Speaker 1: That's that is an issue. It really is an issue
Speaker 1: that you're not willing to dig a little deeper and
Speaker 1: look in the mirror. Yeah, exactly, you and I wanted
Speaker 1: because I want to circle back to this now. On
Speaker 1: the show, I said you guys were a slow burn, Catherine,
Speaker 1: I did not really. I wasn't really privy to your
Speaker 1: perspective because, as you know, I'm all about Sean. I'm
Speaker 1: all about the bachelor of the Bacherette and facilitating their
Speaker 1: journey and then I want them to find love. You
Speaker 1: weren't really a part of that picture for quite some
Speaker 1: time with Sean, and I don't know what it's like.
Speaker 1: I mentioned it from your perspective because there were days
Speaker 1: where I think left to his own devices early on,
Speaker 1: y'all just didn't have that connection and he may have
Speaker 1: even and sen you home, and I'm wondering what your
Speaker 1: perspective was on all that, because I've never talked to
Speaker 1: you about it.
Speaker 3: Well, I feel like that's all valid because I came
Speaker 3: in knowing that I had a crush on him. I
Speaker 3: liked that he was funny, that he valued family, and
Speaker 3: that he was really attractive. So I knew going in
Speaker 3: I was probably not his type. I didn't want to
Speaker 3: go home night one, but then going there, I kind
Speaker 3: of took it as matchmaking. So like when I'm in there,
Speaker 3: I see him with Leslie, I'm like, oh, that makes sense.
Speaker 3: I understand that. So I kind of went with very
Speaker 3: little expectations on my end, and the way that it
Speaker 3: turned out, me getting like the last one on one,
Speaker 3: like the the last person to get a one on one,
Speaker 3: I think it was very natural and like a genuine
Speaker 3: way that you would out in the real world, you
Speaker 3: would be in a group date first, right, you would
Speaker 3: see a guy and be like, oh, okay, I like him,
Speaker 3: and then you go on another one. I am glad
Speaker 3: that I didn't have a very serious relationship with the beginning,
Speaker 3: because you.
Speaker 2: Crash and burn.
Speaker 3: You can't have a one on one and have these
Speaker 3: really serious talks and then go to a group date.
Speaker 3: Then you're ignored or you're you know, you're passed off
Speaker 3: to another person or for another person. I felt like
Speaker 3: it was a really good progression of us and then
Speaker 3: we got serious when we would have in a natural
Speaker 3: you know, in the a normal landscape. So I was
Speaker 3: grateful to be on that slow burn because it just
Speaker 3: felt more authentic to how I would do it in
Speaker 3: real life.
Speaker 1: That's interesting and that was and by the way, that
Speaker 1: was kind of dumb luck. It wasn't like anything the
Speaker 1: producers did. It wasn't anything that Sean specifically did. It
Speaker 1: was just something the natural progression just worked for you guys.
Speaker 1: Thank God.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, for sure. And I think because it's easy
Speaker 3: to get in your head. For the girl, it's so
Speaker 3: easy to spiral, and for me because I was like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, he thinks I'm cute. He's keeping me because
Speaker 3: I'm funny or whatever, very small, small, small, so I
Speaker 3: wasn't getting a huge validation and then it was taken
Speaker 3: away from me. I was just happy for what I got.
Speaker 3: And some of the girls that get the one on
Speaker 3: ones early on or like really, they kind of gets
Speaker 3: a little bit screwed.
Speaker 1: I know you guys are crazy busy, but I was
Speaker 1: looking back at a picture of Sean season. I forget
Speaker 1: we were in one of the group dates, and I
Speaker 1: think is when we were in Canada and all of
Speaker 1: you were lined up. I was talking to you, and
Speaker 1: I zoomed in. I was looking at all the women
Speaker 1: that were on that season. I'm like, wow, that was
Speaker 1: like an all star you know, twenty seven Yankees lineup
Speaker 1: of the who's who of the franchise. That was like
Speaker 1: a banger season of just great individuals that maybe it
Speaker 1: was my age and y'all's age two that are like
Speaker 1: a lot of good friends of mine, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: yours as well. I know you're crazy busy with kids
Speaker 1: and everything else, But do you still keep in touch
Speaker 1: with some of the all stars from that season because
Speaker 1: it was a big season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really do.
Speaker 3: I still talk to Robin and Daniella and Leslie and
Speaker 3: I really do support everybody because I think casting did
Speaker 3: because he's such a nice guy. They genuinely wanted to
Speaker 3: cast nice girls. Yeah, I think that that's why it was.
Speaker 3: And it was right before Instagram, so I think it
Speaker 3: was a very different group of women who value different things,
Speaker 3: just priority wise, and I really enjoyed them. I really
Speaker 3: thought that we all got along at some capacity. Of course,
Speaker 3: it's a lot of girls that have different personalities, but
Speaker 3: I think we all respected each other.
Speaker 1: Who were so who Let's name some of the some
Speaker 1: of the some of the big ones that were that
Speaker 1: came out of that season, Ashley.
Speaker 3: Frazier, Sarah Herron, Sel Malamry, we have Tiera Plosi, Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: Desire Hartsock, who else?
Speaker 1: You're right, I forgot, Yeah, the des went on to
Speaker 1: be the batterer. I forgot that death came out of
Speaker 1: the seat. That was a guy. That was a big seat.
Speaker 1: That was a really big season. Yeah, and it really
Speaker 1: was that tipping point of there wasn't complete naivete. You know,
Speaker 1: everyone kind of knew what they were getting into. But
Speaker 1: you're right, social media hadn't exploded, so you were still
Speaker 1: this genuine excitement of what we were doing, and everything
Speaker 1: you were doing wasn't exploded around the world as we
Speaker 1: were accomplishing it. We got to hide in that bubble
Speaker 1: for a little bit and that made a difference. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is life like for you guys? Now? Kids? I
Speaker 1: see on Instagram you're coaching baseball first base there. I
Speaker 1: saw you the other night. What is life like on
Speaker 1: the daily with the kids? Life, school, everything?
Speaker 3: It's pretty much very normal. We do the drop off
Speaker 3: with the kids. I forgot samuel snack, so I took
Speaker 3: a kid to drop it off and we saw him
Speaker 3: on the playground. Like it's a very idyllic life that
Speaker 3: we have and we're so grateful. We just get to
Speaker 3: walk around the neighborhood and it's pretty just routine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, every day is somewhat similar. Wake up, make breakfast
Speaker 2: for the kids, getting ready for school. I'll take Samuel
Speaker 2: to school, She'll take Isaiah or me at a school.
Speaker 2: We both work from home, which a lot of cup
Speaker 2: will say, how do you do that? I would murder
Speaker 2: my partner if we work together all day long. But
Speaker 2: we've we've always done it. You do it? Well? What
Speaker 2: do y'all do?
Speaker 1: What do you what? Do you work on? What is this?
Speaker 1: What is life? What's the business life?
Speaker 2: Thank you for asking. I get this question a lot.
Speaker 2: So me and a partner. We created Home by Sean
Speaker 2: and Catherine Lowe. That's our furniture company. We created us
Speaker 2: six years ago. So that's that's my my main job,
Speaker 2: if you will. And we've been super blessed through Home
Speaker 2: and we've been able to create one of the bigger
Speaker 2: companies on Wayfair and it's it's been a lot of
Speaker 2: fun and we're we're having fun with it. So my partner,
Speaker 2: he manages the warehouse, he does all the dirty work.
Speaker 2: I get to emails and do all that fun.
Speaker 1: I feel like Sean has always been like the chandler
Speaker 1: from Friends Matthew Perry, and they're like, I've watched this
Speaker 1: show for ten years. What does he do? He's a transponsor.
Speaker 1: He's a transponsor. It's like, that's not a word.
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. Nick humble about what he does,
Speaker 2: and he's very good at that.
Speaker 1: You're an international man of mystery. I also know you
Speaker 1: have some other side hustles investments, because you and I
Speaker 1: are involved in some of those business dealings as well.
Speaker 1: So some of that's somewhat of a loaded question because
Speaker 1: Sean and I have remained good friends and I love
Speaker 1: one of the great things. My family is up in
Speaker 1: Dallas and my kids are at TCU some up in
Speaker 1: Dallas a lot, and I tried to get together with
Speaker 1: with you guys as much as possible. Unfortunately, Catherine, I
Speaker 1: don't get to see you as much. I get to
Speaker 1: see Sean too much.
Speaker 2: I know. I think you.
Speaker 3: Guys went to a steakhouse and I missed out on
Speaker 3: that invitation, and your lovely fiance was there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't miss on the invitation.
Speaker 3: I really do like Lauren.
Speaker 1: I really do, thank you, and it's a mutual love.
Speaker 1: Going back to the show, this is a trick question
Speaker 1: I should have prepared you guys for because I have
Speaker 1: something to tell you. Is there what is one thing?
Speaker 1: And this could come from both of you, could be
Speaker 1: the same thing, could be different things. What's something that
Speaker 1: I don't know that would shock me, surprise me that
Speaker 1: happened on the show that you did that you think.
Speaker 1: I bet Harrison doesn't know this.
Speaker 2: You know, it's about the last condition. What I've got
Speaker 2: one that comes to mind. I can be hilarious. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: it's not. It's not necessarily hilarious, but it's something. It's
Speaker 2: the first thing that comes to mind that Chris probably
Speaker 2: doesn't know. So I convinced Cassie, who was one of
Speaker 2: the producers on the show where she was like my
Speaker 2: right hand person. I convinced her to give me my
Speaker 2: iPad when we were going to Thailand, and I said, Cassie,
Speaker 2: I'm just going to play music. That's all I wanted for, like,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of going crazy over here. I just want
Speaker 2: to listen to my music. So she gives it to me,
Speaker 2: and of course we haven't had any technology for like
Speaker 2: the prior two months, and so I get curious. I'm
Speaker 2: in the hotel room and and I log onto the
Speaker 2: Bachelor website and I see like all the women that
Speaker 2: I had been dating and all that stuff, and I
Speaker 2: see Catherine's profile, and I'm looking at her profile and
Speaker 2: I cannot believe it because one of the questions was like, Yeah,
Speaker 2: what's what's a bucket list item of yours? She had
Speaker 2: no idea when filling this out that we were even
Speaker 2: going to Thailand was ride elephants in Thailand. So I'm
Speaker 2: reading that I'm like, wow, you know, we were in Thailand,
Speaker 2: and then it was like the following day or so,
Speaker 2: Cassie says, hey, we we were down to the two
Speaker 2: remaining women. I don't we don't care who goes on
Speaker 2: which date. One of them will be riding elephants, the
Speaker 2: other one will be some type of boat ride. Oh wow,
Speaker 2: I know who's riding the elephant.
Speaker 1: That's called the closer, that is called closing the deal.
Speaker 2: That's that's right. And I should have known at that
Speaker 2: moment that Catherine was the one for me, because immediately
Speaker 2: it's like, I just want to make Catherine happy, and
Speaker 2: I kept thinking about her and just like the big
Speaker 2: smile that this would produce. And so yeah, that's probably
Speaker 2: the one thing that you were unaware of.
Speaker 1: That And by the way, that's how we ended up
Speaker 1: ending your entire show. Was that amazing proposal there in Thailand.
Speaker 1: And then you guys got on an elephant and rode
Speaker 1: off into the sunset literally. And the funny thing about
Speaker 1: that is TV you think of like the music swelling
Speaker 1: and they get on this elephant and they ride off
Speaker 1: into Thailand. Well think about at some point that's got
Speaker 1: to end, Like they got to come back. And so,
Speaker 1: you know, because when we're shooting at it's hot, it's
Speaker 1: kind of humid, elephant's kind of stinky. There is no music,
Speaker 1: and you guys are just kind of writing on this
Speaker 1: elephant and we can't shoot it because you know, we're
Speaker 1: not going to follow you guys forever. And it just
Speaker 1: went on and on and finally someone's like, we got
Speaker 1: to turn the elephant around. We have to come back
Speaker 1: to does this But that is funny that that's how
Speaker 1: it ended, was you guys writing off into the sunset.
Speaker 2: And to your point, it was so hot and so
Speaker 2: I remember I had sweated through my suit because I
Speaker 2: had to stand in that ti heat for like two hours.
Speaker 1: It's brutal, but Eiland is one of those places where
Speaker 1: you're not sure if the heat's coming from under you,
Speaker 1: over you. It's just like you just everything is so
Speaker 1: hot and sweaty, and you're trying to make it look
Speaker 1: romantic and cute and sweet, and also you're trying to
Speaker 1: propose and it ended up being a beautiful moment the
Speaker 1: time that I know you probably didn't realize, and this
Speaker 1: was post show. Do you remember when they asked you
Speaker 1: to host the live specials, the Summer Shower remembers after Paradise,
Speaker 1: and they had kind of pitted us against each other
Speaker 1: and we never really talked much about it because you
Speaker 1: didn't have anything to do with it. It was the
Speaker 1: powers that be that were, you know, a bit of
Speaker 1: a negotiating ploy. I had just started doing Who Wants
Speaker 1: to Be a Millionaire? They were not happy about that
Speaker 1: for some reason. There was an ABC show and all that,
Speaker 1: but there was no synergy there and they didn't love
Speaker 1: the fact that I was going to go off and
Speaker 1: you know, sleep with another girl and I was doing Millionaire.
Speaker 1: And my thought was, it's a game show. It's not
Speaker 1: at all going to hurt the Bachelor series. There's nothing,
Speaker 1: you know, bad about this. But they just didn't love
Speaker 1: that I was going to go off and do something else,
Speaker 1: so to kind of send a message to me right
Speaker 1: after that, in the middle of that, and we had knockdown,
Speaker 1: drag out, blow up, the you know fights negotiations about this.
Speaker 1: They call me and they're like, no one's ever hosted,
Speaker 1: no one's ever spoken on this show other than me
Speaker 1: in however many years, and they go, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: we just feel like it's kind of two inside Baseball
Speaker 1: for you to host those after shows. Uh, so we're
Speaker 1: going to bring Sean in. And that was an absolute
Speaker 1: shot across the bow of like, hey, pal, you can
Speaker 1: be replaced at any time. We want to put you
Speaker 1: in your play. And you came in and hosted those
Speaker 1: shows for I forget how long if you did the
Speaker 1: whole season, one of those seasons, I forget what it was.
Speaker 2: You lasted one season before they asked me not to
Speaker 2: come back, And so what's funny about that. I was
Speaker 2: so naive to anything going on in the background, and
Speaker 2: all I heard was because of conflicts in his schedule,
Speaker 2: Chris can't do it, and that's why we're reaching out
Speaker 2: to you. And I was thinking about this the other day.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, Mike Flice was the one
Speaker 2: calling me, and we had several discussions because it wasn't
Speaker 2: an easy yes on my end. I think transparently Catherine
Speaker 2: wasn't super stoked about it, just because of the nature
Speaker 2: of that show, you know whatever. But we had conversations
Speaker 2: going back and forth, and like I remember, Mike was like, Hey,
Speaker 2: we'll do anything to get you on this, but he
Speaker 2: made it clear that you couldn't do it. Because you
Speaker 2: had scheduling conflicts, and so I had no idea that
Speaker 2: they were trying to send a message to you. But
Speaker 2: I do remember sending you a text saying something along
Speaker 2: the lines of, you know, hey, buddy, honored to do this.
Speaker 2: I just hope you know I'm not trying to step
Speaker 2: on your toes or anything. But I had no idea
Speaker 2: what was going on in the background. So that's actually
Speaker 2: very interesting for me to hear.
Speaker 1: It was that, first of all, what they told you
Speaker 1: was an absolute, absolute lie, one hundred percent not true.
Speaker 1: I was available. Of course I was available. It's you know,
Speaker 1: it was my main job and that was always first
Speaker 1: chair and millionaire came second, and they knew that and
Speaker 1: we always planned around that. So no, it was the
Speaker 1: same person is the one who called me. And that's
Speaker 1: how you know it's really different, because usually that person
Speaker 1: doesn't get involved with this type of thing, and he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I think you know it's better for you. There's just
Speaker 1: things that you can't ask and Sean can and we can.
Speaker 1: Really so that's what they told me, which I knew
Speaker 1: was a lie as well, and it was all about
Speaker 1: I'm pissed that you're doing millionaire and I told you
Speaker 1: not to, but legally I can't stop you. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to slap you on the hand, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to bring in Sean Low and We're going to show
Speaker 1: you that we can do this show without you. That's
Speaker 1: how that whole thing played out. But again, I never
Speaker 1: had any of will towards you because I knew you
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with it. And like you said,
Speaker 1: you texted me, it was like, hey, man, just happy
Speaker 1: to come in and be a part of it and whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know, it was kind of like when I
Speaker 1: talked to Caitlin and Tasha. You know, I was never
Speaker 1: mad at them when they came into host after I left,
Speaker 1: because they had they were just ponds in the game.
Speaker 1: It was all about power, it's all about negotiation. It's
Speaker 1: just business.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's got the last laugh because I
Speaker 2: was a terrible host and they last in one.
Speaker 1: Season well, and not to be a jerk, it ended
Speaker 1: up being one of the greatest negotiating tools that I
Speaker 1: ever had because it did not go well and because
Speaker 1: here's the thing, Well, what's not fair to you is
Speaker 1: of all the shows I hosted for the Bachelor Bacherette,
Speaker 1: that was easily the most difficult. Live TV first of all,
Speaker 1: is unbelievably hard the time of it being able to
Speaker 1: listen coming in and out. You have to hit marks,
Speaker 1: you have to hit times, and on top of that,
Speaker 1: you have to just be able to detach from that
Speaker 1: and then do interviews and listen. And so it's a
Speaker 1: very hard thing to have learned, and it took me
Speaker 1: many years to get that and to come into that show.
Speaker 1: I I and we had such a small budget, as
Speaker 1: you know, you're shooting it in a closet. It was
Speaker 1: a very hard show and it took every ounce of
Speaker 1: skill to produce and host that, And so I kind
Speaker 1: of knew the fix was in. You can't just throw
Speaker 1: somebody off the street in there and say, hey, host
Speaker 1: this live show. Good luck. It's it's just not that easy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and I had I had a co host,
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure. I love Michelle to death, but
Speaker 2: I'm not sure our synergies were necessarily aligned. And yeah,
Speaker 2: it was. It was a learning experience for me for sure,
Speaker 2: but I think my hosting days are over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was that was something I knew. You know,
Speaker 1: you and I have never talked about. Was that moment
Speaker 1: when you came on, because that was the first time
Speaker 1: that I had never not hosted or was the voice
Speaker 1: of the show. And and it hurt, it like really
Speaker 1: like it hurt my pride. It hurt you know, didn't
Speaker 1: hurt my feelings because it wasn't about you. It was
Speaker 1: just like I was like, that's that was that's been
Speaker 1: my baby. But that that also helped me realize it
Speaker 1: was a job. Take your emotions out of this. You
Speaker 1: are expendable. They will sell you for four dollars if
Speaker 1: they think that they can make that money, and you
Speaker 1: know it's and that's and it's not just them, by
Speaker 1: the way, It's not just that they're bad people. It's
Speaker 1: that's any job.
Speaker 2: Will.
Speaker 1: You got to realize that if you're working for somebody else,
Speaker 1: they have a higher calling and it's that bottom line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the nature of the beast. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, overall, I think back fondly on your season. You
Speaker 1: mentioned Cassie, who was a producer, a dear friend of
Speaker 1: ours and loved her. Do you remember that fateful night
Speaker 1: when you guys got in a wreck?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, that was such a bizarre night.
Speaker 2: We were at the buccaneer in Saint Croix, and every
Speaker 2: time that The Bachelor would travel to a new destination,
Speaker 2: they would hire local help, right local people to you know,
Speaker 2: do a number of different jobs.
Speaker 1: And by the way, it was one of the cool
Speaker 1: things I always appreciated. We would go into these communities
Speaker 1: wherever we were traveling and we would hire locals a lot.
Speaker 1: We really infused a lot of money into these communities,
Speaker 1: which was cool.
Speaker 2: So I can imagine, you know, when you get tasked
Speaker 2: to work for a giant TV show like The Bachelor,
Speaker 2: and you're here, you are a young girl in this example,
Speaker 2: it's probably pretty intimidating when a producer says do this,
Speaker 2: do that? Like, oh, yes, sir, yes, ma'am. So someone
Speaker 2: would to drive us from one location at the resort
Speaker 2: to another. We didn't know that this girl, I don't
Speaker 2: even know she was of driving age, but she did
Speaker 2: not have a driver's license. And I'm sitting in the
Speaker 2: back seat and Cassie, my producer, and her husband Pete
Speaker 2: were sitting in the very back with the tailgate open.
Speaker 2: It was like a jeep Cherokee as she and this
Speaker 2: girl is kind of going fast for where we were.
Speaker 2: We're on the resort grounds and we're right next to
Speaker 2: a golf course, and she's going faster and faster, and
Speaker 2: I'm starting to think like, whoa, you know, she's driving
Speaker 2: kind of recklessly here. And then I see this hill
Speaker 2: and she starts driving even faster, and at this point
Speaker 2: we're saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. She drove us right
Speaker 2: into a tree, like no one had any idea what
Speaker 2: was going on. By the grace of God, no one
Speaker 2: got seriously injured. And then thinking back on it, it
Speaker 2: was a pretty steep hill. Had there not been a
Speaker 2: tree there, it probably would have been a lot worse.
Speaker 2: At least the tree brought the vehicle to a stop.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was I remember it making news and
Speaker 2: I had to go see a doctor in the whole bit.
Speaker 1: Well, and Cassie was pregnant. Yeah, I forgot about that
Speaker 1: Cassie was pregnant with their daughter at the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that we were so scared. Everybody was just like,
Speaker 1: you know, our bachelor got in a wreck. Cassie and
Speaker 1: Pete got her. It was horrifying for all of us.
Speaker 1: And that was that was again lesson learned of. We
Speaker 1: should probably have licensed skilled drivers everywhere we go, and
Speaker 1: it's just something you assume, like, Okay, you know when
Speaker 1: these locals were hired, you're this, you're this, they know
Speaker 1: the streets, they know where we're going. Let's just hire locals,
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, you're a driver. Well, honestly, some
Speaker 1: of these places we went, it was just a job
Speaker 1: and it was like can you drive? Sure? Well she couldn't,
Speaker 1: and I think she was like using two feet and
Speaker 1: didn't know the break from the gas and plowed right
Speaker 1: into a tree.
Speaker 2: I remember her balling. She was sitting on the curb balling,
Speaker 2: and we were trying to actually console her. It's okay,
Speaker 2: everyone's fine, and that poor girl all just was crying
Speaker 2: her eyes out. Yeah. I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: Luckily, one of those life lessons learned that we all
Speaker 1: walked away from We all we all survived what lies
Speaker 1: ahead for you guys as a family. Any more kids?
Speaker 1: Or are we done? Mama says we're done.
Speaker 3: We wanted five and then we had three, and we're like, okay,
Speaker 3: that was a lot. Five Five would be a lot.
Speaker 3: We could channel five, but we like, we like our
Speaker 3: little group.
Speaker 1: Maybe if you'd mixed in a few girls, you could
Speaker 1: have gone to five.
Speaker 2: Oh, I could have ten girls. It's the boys who
Speaker 2: were troubled exactly. Yeah, we hopefully you don't mind me
Speaker 2: saying this. We kind of had a scare not too
Speaker 2: long ago where it's like, maybe I'm pregnant, and uh,
Speaker 2: she did the pregnancy test and it was negative and
Speaker 2: we were both really happy. So we were like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I think we have our answer. Now we're probably done
Speaker 2: with three, so I'll probably make an ap. I'm in
Speaker 2: at the doctor sometime soon.
Speaker 1: I have that same experience where we weren't sure we
Speaker 1: had two and we weren't sure, and we had a
Speaker 1: scare in my first marriage, and as soon as we
Speaker 1: realized it was not true and we were not pregnant,
Speaker 1: we both looked at each other because you know, at first,
Speaker 1: you're like, well, if it happens, great, you know it's
Speaker 1: God's blessing, and you bet, you bet, we're all in.
Speaker 1: And as soon as it doesn't happen, we both look
Speaker 1: at each other. Are you good? Yeah, I'm really good?
Speaker 2: Me too.
Speaker 1: Okay, good, that's our answer. God has a good way
Speaker 1: of kind of giving you those moments in life.
Speaker 2: Right. And our youngest, our youngest is now out of diapers,
Speaker 2: and once you cross that threshold, you just don't want
Speaker 2: to go back. Now such a milestone, so yeah, now's
Speaker 2: probably a good stopping point.
Speaker 1: How old are the kids?
Speaker 2: Six?
Speaker 3: Four and three?
Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, the next person in diaper, Sean is you.
Speaker 2: I know, we joke about it all the time because
Speaker 2: I actually had a number of concussions playing college football,
Speaker 2: So I'll probably be in diapers here pretty.
Speaker 1: Soon, Sean. He'll be eating his meals out of a
Speaker 1: straw and he'll be a diapers very soon. No, I
Speaker 1: always kind of grossly said that to my guess is like,
Speaker 1: next next person you know who needs their butt wiped,
Speaker 1: that's me. That's not you, guys anymore. It's good to
Speaker 1: be out of that stage. It is so great.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, life is definitely a lot easier than it
Speaker 2: was maybe a year or two ago.
Speaker 3: And now every stage is really fun. Though I loved
Speaker 3: newborn phase, but now it's really really fun because it's
Speaker 3: a little bit more free and yeah, they can communicate.
Speaker 2: It's nice.
Speaker 1: It gets better and better. Every stage is amazing. And
Speaker 1: you guys have been around my kids and then you
Speaker 1: get to college and they're just they're great. Human beings
Speaker 1: you want to hang out with. And I'm excited my
Speaker 1: son's actually coming back down here to Austin. They play
Speaker 1: Texas this weekend and lacrosse, and I'm like so pumped
Speaker 1: when he and his girlfriend come in and we have
Speaker 1: dinners and we just hang and play games. It's a
Speaker 1: wonderful stage. But I also miss little league practices, soccer wire,
Speaker 1: all those things too. I mean, the fact that that
Speaker 1: part of my life is gone is I miss that.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you guys are reveling in that.
Speaker 2: We're soaking it up. I catch myself a lot, and
Speaker 2: I don't want to sound like super sentimental dad over here,
Speaker 2: but I'll catch myself like looking at their sweet, adorable
Speaker 2: faces and just thinking this isn't going to last very
Speaker 2: much longer.
Speaker 1: They'll be shaving soon.
Speaker 2: I know it. You know. So we're definitely definitely soaking
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 1: But you may go get snipped soon. You mean you
Speaker 1: may have the surgery.
Speaker 2: I may. I may have to probably probably. Yeah, she's
Speaker 2: definitely fertile. It's probably the wise thing to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they know what causes that. Now you can avoid it,
Speaker 1: and uh, welcome to the club if you if you
Speaker 1: need any pointers. If you need help, let me know.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be there with you.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: So was I think it was Ari. I was talking
Speaker 1: to Ari Lauren, and Lauren was in the room when
Speaker 1: Ari got his besectomy.
Speaker 2: I don't think wife in there for that.
Speaker 1: What's wrong with you? Who does that?
Speaker 3: But we like them, But that's interesting.
Speaker 1: I love them, But that is such. That was such
Speaker 1: an Ari and Lauren answered like, well, it was. It
Speaker 1: was an option, and so we just did. I'm like,
Speaker 1: there is that is the last It is the most
Speaker 1: emasculating thing a guy can go through that. The last
Speaker 1: thing I want is my wife to sit there and
Speaker 1: watch me get sniff something. Yeah, and you know the
Speaker 1: nurses sitting there looking at you, Catherine. I feel like
Speaker 1: everybody's being judged in that moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I won't be there. Yeah, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1: That is the last thing. Well, guys, I appreciate you
Speaker 1: stepping on. Is there is there anything we should be
Speaker 1: talking about that we're not?
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's a big question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that we don't really have now We're
Speaker 3: we're kind of boring. We're just kind of boring, and
Speaker 3: I like it. We like it that we.
Speaker 2: Have a very simple yet beautiful life in our minds.
Speaker 1: In our minds.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. We we have no desire to
Speaker 2: to be in the news, or to be on a
Speaker 2: new TV show, or to have salacious scandal of any kind.
Speaker 2: It's just we're happy with our little, beautiful lives. We
Speaker 2: know people are probably tired of hearing about us via
Speaker 2: The Bachelor or Instagram or whatever, but no, I don't
Speaker 2: think there's anything else we need to be talking about it.
Speaker 1: I bet you'll still get offers. I'm sure you still
Speaker 1: get offers all the time of like come do this show,
Speaker 1: you know, come beyond Dancing with the Stars, you know,
Speaker 1: those types of things, cooking shows or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it amazes me that, you know, ten years later,
Speaker 2: people still even remember our names or even care. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's funny because Instagram wasn't around back then, or
Speaker 2: it was in its infancy anyway. And so in my
Speaker 2: mind doing The Bachelor, I had I thought it would
Speaker 2: be like once in a lifetime, cool experience, travel the world.
Speaker 2: That's the end of it. So to think ten years later,
Speaker 2: you know, and obviously there's opportunities to make money and
Speaker 2: everything else, But ten years later, people are still following
Speaker 2: along with us and care about us. It's yeah, very
Speaker 2: pretty cool and humbling, and yeah, we're grateful because we
Speaker 2: also have a lot of wonderful people that offer us
Speaker 2: support anytime we're going through a hard time. And you know,
Speaker 2: we've been pretty open with stuff, like recently we had
Speaker 2: to give away our dog, and I know it's grand
Speaker 2: scheming thing, that's not a big deal, but I love
Speaker 2: that dog. Yeah, the amount of support I got was amazing.
Speaker 2: And I know social media gets a bad rap for
Speaker 2: good cause, but we've had a lot of wonderful people
Speaker 2: following us for the past ten years, and we're superprict.
Speaker 3: We love our followers. They're very, very sweet and anytime
Speaker 3: anyone comes up to us, we just know they're genuinely
Speaker 3: supportive of us. And it feels really good to have
Speaker 3: a community of people that are just uplifting you.
Speaker 1: And I feel like you guys do a great a
Speaker 1: You are both very humble and b I think y'all
Speaker 1: always do a great job of sharing and the way
Speaker 1: you share, like Sean, for example, that that story about
Speaker 1: your dog and it was it Samuel did he snap
Speaker 1: at Samuel And the fact that you had to deal
Speaker 1: with that was such a human story and it's something
Speaker 1: we can all relate to. Of you have this dog,
Speaker 1: and yeah, the dog is kind of part of our family.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you're not getting
Speaker 1: rid of Samuel, and so yeah, you have to make
Speaker 1: that call. And those are real things we have to do,
Speaker 1: and it's heartbreaking and it's tough and it's not pretty.
Speaker 1: And so I think it's just you guys are so
Speaker 1: relatable because you represent us and the everyday person, and
Speaker 1: y'all have been so good about that, the way you share,
Speaker 1: and I just think it's it's one of the reasons
Speaker 1: I love you guys so much, and I know you
Speaker 1: are so beloved by so many out there.
Speaker 2: Still, Well, thank you, buddy. I've always said too, I
Speaker 2: being the Bachelor was humbling, And I don't mean that
Speaker 2: word like most people use it. I truly mean the
Speaker 2: word humble, because here you are put into the spotlight
Speaker 2: and I always thought to myself, like, I don't deserve this.
Speaker 2: I have no talent or skill of any kind. I
Speaker 2: was just a random guy who's now on the cover
Speaker 2: of these magazines, and I just felt like I don't
Speaker 2: belong here, like I am. I was raised in Irving, Texas.
Speaker 2: I don't deserve the adoration or whatever it is, the spotlight,
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think I still feel that way for
Speaker 2: the most point.
Speaker 1: By the way, don't sell yourself short. The fact that
Speaker 1: you could pop your pecks like Terry Crews, that was
Speaker 1: a skill set.
Speaker 2: Well thank you for that.
Speaker 1: They're not what they used to be, but it's still
Speaker 1: I still got it. I still go Catherine, You're one
Speaker 1: lucky lady. But guys, thank you so much. I appreciate
Speaker 1: your friendship, your love and support. And before I let
Speaker 1: you go, I want to also publicly say that when
Speaker 1: Lauren and I were going through what we went through,
Speaker 1: that you too reached out to us, were there for us,
Speaker 1: spoke to us, texted us as much as anybody, and
Speaker 1: it was heartfelt and it was out of love. And
Speaker 1: I will never forget that. And you know, I considered
Speaker 1: you a friend, but knew you were. You know, when
Speaker 1: times like that are happening, you know who's going to
Speaker 1: be in your foxhole. And the fact that you went
Speaker 1: on your own and went public with your support meant
Speaker 1: the world to me and to Lauren, And so I
Speaker 1: just wanted to publicly say I've said thank you before,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to publicly say thank you to you
Speaker 1: guys for your love and support, because it meant more
Speaker 1: than you will ever know.
Speaker 2: Thank you, buddy, That's yeah, that means the world to us.
Speaker 2: And I remember texting you one time and or maybe
Speaker 2: you had initiated the text saying thank you, and I said,
Speaker 2: you know, what kind of friend would I be if
Speaker 2: I didn't support you? And you said something along the
Speaker 2: lines of, well, you'd be surprised. I think you had
Speaker 2: a lot of friends maybe fall off or you found
Speaker 2: out they weren't white friends. But that's what friendship is
Speaker 2: all about. You support your friends no matter what.
Speaker 1: It's easy to love people when they're on top and
Speaker 1: when the money's flowing and everything's great, and you find
Speaker 1: out a lot about your true friends, family, your relationships
Speaker 1: when it all hits the fan. And I definitely did,
Speaker 1: and you guys were there. You were steadfast in that
Speaker 1: and I love you and appreciate you for it.
Speaker 2: I love you, buddy.
Speaker 3: We're here for you.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Catherine, Thank you. Thank you for putting up
Speaker 1: with him and in conjunction me all these years. I
Speaker 1: know you're a blessing to him, But you're a blessing
Speaker 1: to me too, And I love you, guys, and I
Speaker 1: appreciate the time. Thank you, Thank you, buddy, my thanks
Speaker 1: to Shawn and Catherine, two of the most loving, giving,
Speaker 1: humble people. As I said, I can't reiterate this enough.
Speaker 1: Were so good to me and supportive of me when
Speaker 1: they were going to get nothing but grief in return
Speaker 1: for showing that love and support. And they are so
Speaker 1: humble and that's why they are so beloved, and that
Speaker 1: they left the craziness of the show and went off
Speaker 1: and just lived their lives. And I always gave that
Speaker 1: advice of do what Ryan and Trista did, do what
Speaker 1: Sean and Catherine did in any relationship, take it to
Speaker 1: the next level of making it real and doing the work.
Speaker 1: And it has worked for them and now they have
Speaker 1: a beautiful family. But the other thing I love the
Speaker 1: most about them, it's not perfect, and they'll never pretend
Speaker 1: that it's perfect. They fail, they struggle, they have to
Speaker 1: work on it, and that to me is more indicative
Speaker 1: than anything of how humble and real they are. Is
Speaker 1: that you don't just see the glossy, beautiful times, you
Speaker 1: see the tough times as well. And I know it's
Speaker 1: relatable because we all go through them. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much to Sean and Catherine, and thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining me. Always love being with you. I'll talk
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