WEBVTT - The Lowe Down with Sean and Catherine Lowe

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<v Speaker 1>This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. I am Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Harrison coming to you from our home office in Austin, Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>and I am so excited for the show today because

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<v Speaker 1>two of my favorite people that I have ever met,

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<v Speaker 1>much less on the show, just have ever met in

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<v Speaker 1>my life, Sean and Catherine Lowe. Obviously I met them

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<v Speaker 1>through the show, but have become dear friends of mine,

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<v Speaker 1>and I am excited that they are going to join

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<v Speaker 1>us today and joining me now from their house in Dallas, Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>Catherine and Sean two of my favorite human beings to

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<v Speaker 1>have ever come into my life. One of the blessings,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the blessings of this show, I always say,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the greatest things of this show is it

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<v Speaker 1>brought people into my life that I never would have

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<v Speaker 1>met otherwise, and a lot of them have become near

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<v Speaker 1>and dear to me, and two of you are definitely

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<v Speaker 1>on that list.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Thank you, buddy. I always say the best

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<v Speaker 2>thing that came out of that show for me is

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<v Speaker 2>meeting Chris Harrison. So the feeling is mutual, my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>And the shirtless scenes, yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Then the family that's secondary.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Catherine and the families definitely behind me. How are

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<v Speaker 1>you guys doing good?

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<v Speaker 2>We are doing truly. I think people are tired of

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<v Speaker 2>hearing us. You know, we did our I did my

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<v Speaker 2>stint on The Bachelor this past season. I think people

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<v Speaker 2>are definitely tired of hearing about the quote unquote success

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<v Speaker 2>couple and oh life is so great. But I kid you,

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<v Speaker 2>not like we wake up every day and we just

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<v Speaker 2>look at ourselves and say, like, we are so blessed.

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<v Speaker 2>This is such an incredible life, and it's it's crazy

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<v Speaker 2>that it's all rooted in that kind of silly TV

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<v Speaker 2>show where we met.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't watch, so I didn't see your parts, but

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<v Speaker 1>apparently you were on a lot. And I saw something

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<v Speaker 1>on social media that said, is Sean the Bachelor? I

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<v Speaker 1>think he's been on this season more than Zach has.

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<v Speaker 1>They're really hanging their hat on you, buddy, they are

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<v Speaker 1>really hanging their head.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. I saw a lot of funny memes. You

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<v Speaker 2>know it. I think this it's been ten years now.

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<v Speaker 2>I think my run is over. I think I can

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<v Speaker 2>officially retire. Dude.

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<v Speaker 1>You are all they have. I'm telling you, I hope

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<v Speaker 1>you are taking them to the cleaners every time they

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<v Speaker 1>call you. You better just be jacking up your price

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<v Speaker 1>just every time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we're working on it, but I think it's probably

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<v Speaker 2>time for me to retire.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys are royalty. You and Catherine should be like,

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<v Speaker 1>send the private jet, we'll fly out the burbank. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>do We'll do a stint on the show. I'll give

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<v Speaker 1>my advice. I think it would. At one point, did

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<v Speaker 1>you just zoom in or face time in?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we did some face time in.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude, you're even mailing that in. Now you're like all

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<v Speaker 1>face time in. Hey, Bud, you're doing great. Get married.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem is that since it's been ten years. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>when I first came off the show, there were so

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<v Speaker 2>many young girls that would come up and yelling and screaming,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my goodness, Sean from the back. But now it's

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<v Speaker 2>the people watching the show don't really know me to say,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my mom my, mom loved you to get a picture.

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<v Speaker 1>We have become the David Hasselhoff of the Bachelor bacherette.

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<v Speaker 1>When people come up to me, I get the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be a really cute, attractive woman and she'll make

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<v Speaker 1>my grandmother loves you. Well, send your grandmother my love.

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<v Speaker 1>That is it's it's a little deflating, but lovely just

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<v Speaker 1>the same.

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<v Speaker 2>But that is.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh. It does go to show, in all seriousness, how

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<v Speaker 1>beloved you guys are, and that you are really the

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<v Speaker 1>success story, especially when it comes to Bachelor's which is

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<v Speaker 1>just not a successful franchise. When it came to us

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<v Speaker 1>trying to create couples, and I'm curious why you think

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<v Speaker 1>you succeeded where others failed. And I say you as

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<v Speaker 1>the collective you you know, Catherine, obviously you're a huge

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<v Speaker 1>part of this. Why did you guys succeed where others

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<v Speaker 1>have failed?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, we understand why it is easy for

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<v Speaker 3>people not to be together. It's a really challenging come

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<v Speaker 3>off of the show. You don't have each other's numbers,

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<v Speaker 3>you usually don't live in the same city, so pretty

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<v Speaker 3>much everything is against you afterwards. Besides like all the

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<v Speaker 3>fun and the actual real feelings of love, but the

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<v Speaker 3>logistics about it are really challenging. And I think for us,

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<v Speaker 3>we knew that we had said I love you really

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<v Speaker 3>late because we took it super seriously and when we

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<v Speaker 3>got engaged, we knew that that was that was actually

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<v Speaker 3>a very It wasn't like, let's try this out. It

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<v Speaker 3>was no, we really do plan on getting married. So

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<v Speaker 3>with that commitment from both of us being really strong,

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<v Speaker 3>that's what we've led with the whole time. It's just

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that we have committed to each other. We

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<v Speaker 3>could have dipped out, you know, before the wedding, but

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<v Speaker 3>we really did want lives together and we've created this

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<v Speaker 3>amazing life that we're very grateful for. But it takes

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of work, just like any relationship, but the

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<v Speaker 3>show adds more factors of challenge.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I would add to that. I would say we

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<v Speaker 2>both are pretty grounded in the real world. We both recognized, like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a ridiculous way to meet your partner. But

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<v Speaker 2>once you recognize that, you can almost put in the

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<v Speaker 2>work to overcome some of the challenges that come your way.

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<v Speaker 2>And not to say we mastered every challenge, because I

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<v Speaker 2>definitely faltered along the way, but yeah, we committed to

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<v Speaker 2>each other. Our relationship has been rooted in faith. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's a major component.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was going to say, I think there's a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of things that really did it for you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, and I want to circle back to this.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe the fact that you guys were such a slow

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<v Speaker 1>burn on the show and you came to it so naturally,

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<v Speaker 1>and I watched it happen where you were a little

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<v Speaker 1>reluctant to kind of fall for this and then you did.

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<v Speaker 1>But the fact that both of you were so grounded,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think faith has a ton to do with that.

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<v Speaker 1>And y'all just went back to your lives and started

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<v Speaker 1>working on your relationship realizing that, look, this, as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a crazy way to meet, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>we have something here. Let's actually work on this legitimately.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know that seems so obvious, but it's not

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<v Speaker 1>done very often. And I think your faith and the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that both of you were aligned in that way

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot to do with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would agree. And I get people, you know

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of my friends who are in their late

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<v Speaker 2>thirties who are like, Hey, I'm ready to get married.

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<v Speaker 2>What does it take? How have you created a successful marriage?

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<v Speaker 2>And I really say it really boils down to committing

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<v Speaker 2>to that person, working on becoming better every day for

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<v Speaker 2>that person. And I definitely haven't perfected it yet, have I? No,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting close.

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<v Speaker 1>You're so close to perfection, but it takes.

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<v Speaker 2>So much work. And I'm not talking about people on

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<v Speaker 2>the Bachelor. I'm talking about any relationship of course work

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<v Speaker 2>and so many people in this day and age, it's

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<v Speaker 2>so easy, especially with the dating apps, it's so easily

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<v Speaker 2>to date someone. Move on to the next. Yeah you're unhappy,

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<v Speaker 2>move on to the next. You know she's not perfect,

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<v Speaker 2>Move on to the next. She doesn't look like a model,

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<v Speaker 2>Move on to the next. I mean, you're just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be unhappy when it's all over with.

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<v Speaker 1>When a life comes down to a screenshot that you

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<v Speaker 1>can swipe away, Yeah, you're swiping away a human being.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that is an issue. It really is an issue

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<v Speaker 1>that you're not willing to dig a little deeper and

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<v Speaker 1>look in the mirror. Yeah, exactly, you and I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>because I want to circle back to this now. On

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<v Speaker 1>the show, I said you guys were a slow burn, Catherine,

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<v Speaker 1>I did not really. I wasn't really privy to your

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<v Speaker 1>perspective because, as you know, I'm all about Sean. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>all about the bachelor of the Bacherette and facilitating their

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<v Speaker 1>journey and then I want them to find love. You

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<v Speaker 1>weren't really a part of that picture for quite some

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<v Speaker 1>time with Sean, and I don't know what it's like.

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned it from your perspective because there were days

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<v Speaker 1>where I think left to his own devices early on,

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<v Speaker 1>y'all just didn't have that connection and he may have

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<v Speaker 1>even and sen you home, and I'm wondering what your

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<v Speaker 1>perspective was on all that, because I've never talked to

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<v Speaker 1>you about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I feel like that's all valid because I came

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<v Speaker 3>in knowing that I had a crush on him. I

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<v Speaker 3>liked that he was funny, that he valued family, and

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<v Speaker 3>that he was really attractive. So I knew going in

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<v Speaker 3>I was probably not his type. I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 3>go home night one, but then going there, I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of took it as matchmaking. So like when I'm in there,

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<v Speaker 3>I see him with Leslie, I'm like, oh, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>I understand that. So I kind of went with very

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<v Speaker 3>little expectations on my end, and the way that it

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<v Speaker 3>turned out, me getting like the last one on one,

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<v Speaker 3>like the the last person to get a one on one,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was very natural and like a genuine

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<v Speaker 3>way that you would out in the real world, you

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<v Speaker 3>would be in a group date first, right, you would

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<v Speaker 3>see a guy and be like, oh, okay, I like him,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you go on another one. I am glad

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<v Speaker 3>that I didn't have a very serious relationship with the beginning,

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<v Speaker 3>because you.

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<v Speaker 2>Crash and burn.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't have a one on one and have these

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<v Speaker 3>really serious talks and then go to a group date.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you're ignored or you're you know, you're passed off

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<v Speaker 3>to another person or for another person. I felt like

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<v Speaker 3>it was a really good progression of us and then

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<v Speaker 3>we got serious when we would have in a natural

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<v Speaker 3>you know, in the a normal landscape. So I was

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<v Speaker 3>grateful to be on that slow burn because it just

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<v Speaker 3>felt more authentic to how I would do it in

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<v Speaker 3>real life.

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<v Speaker 1>That's interesting and that was and by the way, that

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of dumb luck. It wasn't like anything the

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<v Speaker 1>producers did. It wasn't anything that Sean specifically did. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just something the natural progression just worked for you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank God.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, for sure. And I think because it's easy

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<v Speaker 3>to get in your head. For the girl, it's so

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<v Speaker 3>easy to spiral, and for me because I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh yeah, he thinks I'm cute. He's keeping me because

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<v Speaker 3>I'm funny or whatever, very small, small, small, so I

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't getting a huge validation and then it was taken

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<v Speaker 3>away from me. I was just happy for what I got.

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<v Speaker 3>And some of the girls that get the one on

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<v Speaker 3>ones early on or like really, they kind of gets

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit screwed.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you guys are crazy busy, but I was

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<v Speaker 1>looking back at a picture of Sean season. I forget

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<v Speaker 1>we were in one of the group dates, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think is when we were in Canada and all of

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<v Speaker 1>you were lined up. I was talking to you, and

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<v Speaker 1>I zoomed in. I was looking at all the women

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<v Speaker 1>that were on that season. I'm like, wow, that was

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<v Speaker 1>like an all star you know, twenty seven Yankees lineup

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<v Speaker 1>of the who's who of the franchise. That was like

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<v Speaker 1>a banger season of just great individuals that maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>was my age and y'all's age two that are like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of good friends of mine, and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>yours as well. I know you're crazy busy with kids

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<v Speaker 1>and everything else, But do you still keep in touch

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<v Speaker 1>with some of the all stars from that season because

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<v Speaker 1>it was a big season.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I really do.

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<v Speaker 3>I still talk to Robin and Daniella and Leslie and

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<v Speaker 3>I really do support everybody because I think casting did

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<v Speaker 3>because he's such a nice guy. They genuinely wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>cast nice girls. Yeah, I think that that's why it was.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was right before Instagram, so I think it

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<v Speaker 3>was a very different group of women who value different things,

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<v Speaker 3>just priority wise, and I really enjoyed them. I really

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<v Speaker 3>thought that we all got along at some capacity. Of course,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a lot of girls that have different personalities, but

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<v Speaker 3>I think we all respected each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Who were so who Let's name some of the some

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<v Speaker 1>of the some of the big ones that were that

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<v Speaker 1>came out of that season, Ashley.

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<v Speaker 3>Frazier, Sarah Herron, Sel Malamry, we have Tiera Plosi, Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Desire Hartsock, who else?

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, I forgot, Yeah, the des went on to

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<v Speaker 1>be the batterer. I forgot that death came out of

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<v Speaker 1>the seat. That was a guy. That was a big seat.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a really big season. Yeah, and it really

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<v Speaker 1>was that tipping point of there wasn't complete naivete. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone kind of knew what they were getting into. But

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<v Speaker 1>you're right, social media hadn't exploded, so you were still

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<v Speaker 1>this genuine excitement of what we were doing, and everything

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<v Speaker 1>you were doing wasn't exploded around the world as we

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<v Speaker 1>were accomplishing it. We got to hide in that bubble

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<v Speaker 1>for a little bit and that made a difference. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what is life like for you guys? Now? Kids? I

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<v Speaker 1>see on Instagram you're coaching baseball first base there. I

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<v Speaker 1>saw you the other night. What is life like on

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<v Speaker 1>the daily with the kids? Life, school, everything?

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<v Speaker 3>It's pretty much very normal. We do the drop off

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<v Speaker 3>with the kids. I forgot samuel snack, so I took

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<v Speaker 3>a kid to drop it off and we saw him

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<v Speaker 3>on the playground. Like it's a very idyllic life that

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<v Speaker 3>we have and we're so grateful. We just get to

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<v Speaker 3>walk around the neighborhood and it's pretty just routine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, every day is somewhat similar. Wake up, make breakfast

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<v Speaker 2>for the kids, getting ready for school. I'll take Samuel

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<v Speaker 2>to school, She'll take Isaiah or me at a school.

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<v Speaker 2>We both work from home, which a lot of cup

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<v Speaker 2>will say, how do you do that? I would murder

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<v Speaker 2>my partner if we work together all day long. But

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<v Speaker 2>we've we've always done it. You do it? Well? What

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<v Speaker 2>do y'all do?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you what? Do you work on? What is this?

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<v Speaker 1>What is life? What's the business life?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for asking. I get this question a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>So me and a partner. We created Home by Sean

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<v Speaker 2>and Catherine Lowe. That's our furniture company. We created us

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<v Speaker 2>six years ago. So that's that's my my main job,

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<v Speaker 2>if you will. And we've been super blessed through Home

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<v Speaker 2>and we've been able to create one of the bigger

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<v Speaker 2>companies on Wayfair and it's it's been a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>fun and we're we're having fun with it. So my partner,

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<v Speaker 2>he manages the warehouse, he does all the dirty work.

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<v Speaker 2>I get to emails and do all that fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like Sean has always been like the chandler

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<v Speaker 1>from Friends Matthew Perry, and they're like, I've watched this

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<v Speaker 1>show for ten years. What does he do? He's a transponsor.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a transponsor. It's like, that's not a word.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm okay with that. Nick humble about what he does,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's very good at that.

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<v Speaker 1>You're an international man of mystery. I also know you

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<v Speaker 1>have some other side hustles investments, because you and I

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<v Speaker 1>are involved in some of those business dealings as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So some of that's somewhat of a loaded question because

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<v Speaker 1>Sean and I have remained good friends and I love

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<v Speaker 1>one of the great things. My family is up in

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas and my kids are at TCU some up in

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas a lot, and I tried to get together with

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<v Speaker 1>with you guys as much as possible. Unfortunately, Catherine, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't get to see you as much. I get to

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<v Speaker 1>see Sean too much.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. I think you.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys went to a steakhouse and I missed out on

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<v Speaker 3>that invitation, and your lovely fiance was there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you didn't miss on the invitation.

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<v Speaker 3>I really do like Lauren.

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<v Speaker 1>I really do, thank you, and it's a mutual love.

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<v Speaker 1>Going back to the show, this is a trick question

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<v Speaker 1>I should have prepared you guys for because I have

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<v Speaker 1>something to tell you. Is there what is one thing?

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<v Speaker 1>And this could come from both of you, could be

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing, could be different things. What's something that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that would shock me, surprise me that

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<v Speaker 1>happened on the show that you did that you think.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet Harrison doesn't know this.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's about the last condition. What I've got

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<v Speaker 2>one that comes to mind. I can be hilarious. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not. It's not necessarily hilarious, but it's something. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the first thing that comes to mind that Chris probably

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't know. So I convinced Cassie, who was one of

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<v Speaker 2>the producers on the show where she was like my

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<v Speaker 2>right hand person. I convinced her to give me my

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<v Speaker 2>iPad when we were going to Thailand, and I said, Cassie,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to play music. That's all I wanted for, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of going crazy over here. I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to listen to my music. So she gives it to me,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course we haven't had any technology for like

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<v Speaker 2>the prior two months, and so I get curious. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in the hotel room and and I log onto the

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<v Speaker 2>Bachelor website and I see like all the women that

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<v Speaker 2>I had been dating and all that stuff, and I

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<v Speaker 2>see Catherine's profile, and I'm looking at her profile and

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot believe it because one of the questions was like, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what's what's a bucket list item of yours? She had

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<v Speaker 2>no idea when filling this out that we were even

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<v Speaker 2>going to Thailand was ride elephants in Thailand. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>reading that I'm like, wow, you know, we were in Thailand,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it was like the following day or so,

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<v Speaker 2>Cassie says, hey, we we were down to the two

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<v Speaker 2>remaining women. I don't we don't care who goes on

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<v Speaker 2>which date. One of them will be riding elephants, the

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<v Speaker 2>other one will be some type of boat ride. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 2>I know who's riding the elephant.

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<v Speaker 1>That's called the closer, that is called closing the deal.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's right. And I should have known at that

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<v Speaker 2>moment that Catherine was the one for me, because immediately

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, I just want to make Catherine happy, and

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<v Speaker 2>I kept thinking about her and just like the big

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<v Speaker 2>smile that this would produce. And so yeah, that's probably

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<v Speaker 2>the one thing that you were unaware of.

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<v Speaker 1>That And by the way, that's how we ended up

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<v Speaker 1>ending your entire show. Was that amazing proposal there in Thailand.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you guys got on an elephant and rode

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<v Speaker 1>off into the sunset literally. And the funny thing about

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<v Speaker 1>that is TV you think of like the music swelling

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<v Speaker 1>and they get on this elephant and they ride off

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<v Speaker 1>into Thailand. Well think about at some point that's got

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<v Speaker 1>to end, Like they got to come back. And so,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because when we're shooting at it's hot, it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of humid, elephant's kind of stinky. There is no music,

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<v Speaker 1>and you guys are just kind of writing on this

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<v Speaker 1>elephant and we can't shoot it because you know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to follow you guys forever. And it just

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<v Speaker 1>went on and on and finally someone's like, we got

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<v Speaker 1>to turn the elephant around. We have to come back

0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.680
<v Speaker 1>to does this But that is funny that that's how

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<v Speaker 1>it ended, was you guys writing off into the sunset.

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<v Speaker 2>And to your point, it was so hot and so

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<v Speaker 2>I remember I had sweated through my suit because I

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<v Speaker 2>had to stand in that ti heat for like two hours.

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<v Speaker 1>It's brutal, but Eiland is one of those places where

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<v Speaker 1>you're not sure if the heat's coming from under you,

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<v Speaker 1>over you. It's just like you just everything is so

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<v Speaker 1>hot and sweaty, and you're trying to make it look

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<v Speaker 1>romantic and cute and sweet, and also you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>propose and it ended up being a beautiful moment the

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<v Speaker 1>time that I know you probably didn't realize, and this

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<v Speaker 1>was post show. Do you remember when they asked you

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<v Speaker 1>to host the live specials, the Summer Shower remembers after Paradise,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had kind of pitted us against each other

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<v Speaker 1>and we never really talked much about it because you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have anything to do with it. It was the

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<v Speaker 1>powers that be that were, you know, a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a negotiating ploy. I had just started doing Who Wants

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<v Speaker 1>to Be a Millionaire? They were not happy about that

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<v Speaker 1>for some reason. There was an ABC show and all that,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was no synergy there and they didn't love

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that I was going to go off and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sleep with another girl and I was doing Millionaire.

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<v Speaker 1>And my thought was, it's a game show. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>at all going to hurt the Bachelor series. There's nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, bad about this. But they just didn't love

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<v Speaker 1>that I was going to go off and do something else,

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<v Speaker 1>so to kind of send a message to me right

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<v Speaker 1>after that, in the middle of that, and we had knockdown,

0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:33.000
<v Speaker 1>drag out, blow up, the you know fights negotiations about this.

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<v Speaker 1>They call me and they're like, no one's ever hosted,

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<v Speaker 1>no one's ever spoken on this show other than me

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<v Speaker 1>in however many years, and they go, hey, you know,

0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:43.600
<v Speaker 1>we just feel like it's kind of two inside Baseball

0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:47.080
<v Speaker 1>for you to host those after shows. Uh, so we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to bring Sean in. And that was an absolute

0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:57.440
<v Speaker 1>shot across the bow of like, hey, pal, you can

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<v Speaker 1>be replaced at any time. We want to put you

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<v Speaker 1>in your play. And you came in and hosted those

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<v Speaker 1>shows for I forget how long if you did the

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<v Speaker 1>whole season, one of those seasons, I forget what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>You lasted one season before they asked me not to

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<v Speaker 2>come back, And so what's funny about that. I was

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<v Speaker 2>so naive to anything going on in the background, and

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<v Speaker 2>all I heard was because of conflicts in his schedule,

0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:23.720
<v Speaker 2>Chris can't do it, and that's why we're reaching out

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<v Speaker 2>to you. And I was thinking about this the other day.

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<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, Mike Flice was the one

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<v Speaker 2>calling me, and we had several discussions because it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>an easy yes on my end. I think transparently Catherine

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't super stoked about it, just because of the nature

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<v Speaker 2>of that show, you know whatever. But we had conversations

0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:47.400
<v Speaker 2>going back and forth, and like I remember, Mike was like, Hey,

0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.199
<v Speaker 2>we'll do anything to get you on this, but he

0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:52.080
<v Speaker 2>made it clear that you couldn't do it. Because you

0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:55.240
<v Speaker 2>had scheduling conflicts, and so I had no idea that

0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:56.919
<v Speaker 2>they were trying to send a message to you. But

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<v Speaker 2>I do remember sending you a text saying something along

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<v Speaker 2>the lines of, you know, hey, buddy, honored to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>I just hope you know I'm not trying to step

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<v Speaker 2>on your toes or anything. But I had no idea

0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:10.959
<v Speaker 2>what was going on in the background. So that's actually

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting for me to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>It was that, first of all, what they told you

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<v Speaker 1>was an absolute, absolute lie, one hundred percent not true.

0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:21.480
<v Speaker 1>I was available. Of course I was available. It's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was my main job and that was always first

0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:26.879
<v Speaker 1>chair and millionaire came second, and they knew that and

0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:30.600
<v Speaker 1>we always planned around that. So no, it was the

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<v Speaker 1>same person is the one who called me. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>how you know it's really different, because usually that person

0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:39.880
<v Speaker 1>doesn't get involved with this type of thing, and he's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you know it's better for you. There's just

0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:45.720
<v Speaker 1>things that you can't ask and Sean can and we can.

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<v Speaker 1>Really so that's what they told me, which I knew

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<v Speaker 1>was a lie as well, and it was all about

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pissed that you're doing millionaire and I told you

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<v Speaker 1>not to, but legally I can't stop you. So I'm

0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:59.000
<v Speaker 1>going to slap you on the hand, and I'm going

0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:00.800
<v Speaker 1>to bring in Sean Low and We're going to show

0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:02.880
<v Speaker 1>you that we can do this show without you. That's

0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:05.280
<v Speaker 1>how that whole thing played out. But again, I never

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<v Speaker 1>had any of will towards you because I knew you

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<v Speaker 1>had nothing to do with it. And like you said,

0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:12.119
<v Speaker 1>you texted me, it was like, hey, man, just happy

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<v Speaker 1>to come in and be a part of it and whatever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, it was kind of like when I

0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:20.960
<v Speaker 1>talked to Caitlin and Tasha. You know, I was never

0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:23.040
<v Speaker 1>mad at them when they came into host after I left,

0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:25.840
<v Speaker 1>because they had they were just ponds in the game.

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<v Speaker 1>It was all about power, it's all about negotiation. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just business.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, it's got the last laugh because I

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<v Speaker 2>was a terrible host and they last in one.

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<v Speaker 1>Season well, and not to be a jerk, it ended

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<v Speaker 1>up being one of the greatest negotiating tools that I

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<v Speaker 1>ever had because it did not go well and because

0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:50.560
<v Speaker 1>here's the thing, Well, what's not fair to you is

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<v Speaker 1>of all the shows I hosted for the Bachelor Bacherette,

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<v Speaker 1>that was easily the most difficult. Live TV first of all,

0:22:57.760 --> 0:23:01.520
<v Speaker 1>is unbelievably hard the time of it being able to

0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:04.240
<v Speaker 1>listen coming in and out. You have to hit marks,

0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:06.320
<v Speaker 1>you have to hit times, and on top of that,

0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:08.240
<v Speaker 1>you have to just be able to detach from that

0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:11.960
<v Speaker 1>and then do interviews and listen. And so it's a

0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:14.439
<v Speaker 1>very hard thing to have learned, and it took me

0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:17.359
<v Speaker 1>many years to get that and to come into that show.

0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:20.520
<v Speaker 1>I I and we had such a small budget, as

0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:22.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, you're shooting it in a closet. It was

0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:26.000
<v Speaker 1>a very hard show and it took every ounce of

0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:29.880
<v Speaker 1>skill to produce and host that, And so I kind

0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:32.760
<v Speaker 1>of knew the fix was in. You can't just throw

0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:34.720
<v Speaker 1>somebody off the street in there and say, hey, host

0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:38.840
<v Speaker 1>this live show. Good luck. It's it's just not that easy.

0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:42.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, and I had I had a co host,

0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:45.600
<v Speaker 2>and I'm not sure. I love Michelle to death, but

0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:49.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure our synergies were necessarily aligned. And yeah,

0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:52.080
<v Speaker 2>it was. It was a learning experience for me for sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think my hosting days are over.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that was that was something I knew. You know,

0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:57.840
<v Speaker 1>you and I have never talked about. Was that moment

0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:00.480
<v Speaker 1>when you came on, because that was the first time

0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:06.200
<v Speaker 1>that I had never not hosted or was the voice

0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:09.359
<v Speaker 1>of the show. And and it hurt, it like really

0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:12.120
<v Speaker 1>like it hurt my pride. It hurt you know, didn't

0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:14.199
<v Speaker 1>hurt my feelings because it wasn't about you. It was

0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:16.480
<v Speaker 1>just like I was like, that's that was that's been

0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:22.199
<v Speaker 1>my baby. But that that also helped me realize it

0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:25.439
<v Speaker 1>was a job. Take your emotions out of this. You

0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:29.359
<v Speaker 1>are expendable. They will sell you for four dollars if

0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:32.520
<v Speaker 1>they think that they can make that money, and you

0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:34.520
<v Speaker 1>know it's and that's and it's not just them, by

0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:36.720
<v Speaker 1>the way, It's not just that they're bad people. It's

0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:37.760
<v Speaker 1>that's any job.

0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Will.

0:24:38.000 --> 0:24:40.399
<v Speaker 1>You got to realize that if you're working for somebody else,

0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:43.679
<v Speaker 1>they have a higher calling and it's that bottom line.

0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the nature of the beast. Unfortunately.

0:24:46.640 --> 0:25:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, overall, I think back fondly on your season. You

0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:07.199
<v Speaker 1>mentioned Cassie, who was a producer, a dear friend of

0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:11.600
<v Speaker 1>ours and loved her. Do you remember that fateful night

0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:12.840
<v Speaker 1>when you guys got in a wreck?

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, that was such a bizarre night.

0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:23.119
<v Speaker 2>We were at the buccaneer in Saint Croix, and every

0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:25.760
<v Speaker 2>time that The Bachelor would travel to a new destination,

0:25:25.840 --> 0:25:30.520
<v Speaker 2>they would hire local help, right local people to you know,

0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:32.480
<v Speaker 2>do a number of different jobs.

0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:33.640
<v Speaker 1>And by the way, it was one of the cool

0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:36.159
<v Speaker 1>things I always appreciated. We would go into these communities

0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:38.680
<v Speaker 1>wherever we were traveling and we would hire locals a lot.

0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:41.840
<v Speaker 1>We really infused a lot of money into these communities,

0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:42.520
<v Speaker 1>which was cool.

0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:46.680
<v Speaker 2>So I can imagine, you know, when you get tasked

0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:49.880
<v Speaker 2>to work for a giant TV show like The Bachelor,

0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 2>and you're here, you are a young girl in this example,

0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:56.119
<v Speaker 2>it's probably pretty intimidating when a producer says do this,

0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:59.760
<v Speaker 2>do that? Like, oh, yes, sir, yes, ma'am. So someone

0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:03.080
<v Speaker 2>would to drive us from one location at the resort

0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:06.320
<v Speaker 2>to another. We didn't know that this girl, I don't

0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:08.080
<v Speaker 2>even know she was of driving age, but she did

0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:11.280
<v Speaker 2>not have a driver's license. And I'm sitting in the

0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:15.720
<v Speaker 2>back seat and Cassie, my producer, and her husband Pete

0:26:15.800 --> 0:26:18.280
<v Speaker 2>were sitting in the very back with the tailgate open.

0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:22.200
<v Speaker 2>It was like a jeep Cherokee as she and this

0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:25.880
<v Speaker 2>girl is kind of going fast for where we were.

0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:28.199
<v Speaker 2>We're on the resort grounds and we're right next to

0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:30.920
<v Speaker 2>a golf course, and she's going faster and faster, and

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:33.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm starting to think like, whoa, you know, she's driving

0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:35.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of recklessly here. And then I see this hill

0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:37.880
<v Speaker 2>and she starts driving even faster, and at this point

0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:41.560
<v Speaker 2>we're saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. She drove us right

0:26:41.640 --> 0:26:46.919
<v Speaker 2>into a tree, like no one had any idea what

0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:48.800
<v Speaker 2>was going on. By the grace of God, no one

0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:52.399
<v Speaker 2>got seriously injured. And then thinking back on it, it

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:54.560
<v Speaker 2>was a pretty steep hill. Had there not been a

0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:56.800
<v Speaker 2>tree there, it probably would have been a lot worse.

0:26:56.800 --> 0:26:59.359
<v Speaker 2>At least the tree brought the vehicle to a stop.

0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it was I remember it making news and

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:05.200
<v Speaker 2>I had to go see a doctor in the whole bit.

0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, and Cassie was pregnant. Yeah, I forgot about that

0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:11.119
<v Speaker 1>Cassie was pregnant with their daughter at the time. Yeah,

0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:14.240
<v Speaker 1>and that we were so scared. Everybody was just like,

0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:17.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, our bachelor got in a wreck. Cassie and

0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Pete got her. It was horrifying for all of us.

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 1>And that was that was again lesson learned of. We

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:26.440
<v Speaker 1>should probably have licensed skilled drivers everywhere we go, and

0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:28.840
<v Speaker 1>it's just something you assume, like, Okay, you know when

0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:31.439
<v Speaker 1>these locals were hired, you're this, you're this, they know

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:34.160
<v Speaker 1>the streets, they know where we're going. Let's just hire locals,

0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:38.040
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, okay, you're a driver. Well, honestly, some

0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:41.399
<v Speaker 1>of these places we went, it was just a job

0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:44.639
<v Speaker 1>and it was like can you drive? Sure? Well she couldn't,

0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:46.679
<v Speaker 1>and I think she was like using two feet and

0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:50.639
<v Speaker 1>didn't know the break from the gas and plowed right

0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:51.240
<v Speaker 1>into a tree.

0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:54.919
<v Speaker 2>I remember her balling. She was sitting on the curb balling,

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:57.560
<v Speaker 2>and we were trying to actually console her. It's okay,

0:27:57.640 --> 0:28:01.720
<v Speaker 2>everyone's fine, and that poor girl all just was crying

0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:04.000
<v Speaker 2>her eyes out. Yeah. I forgot about that.

0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Luckily, one of those life lessons learned that we all

0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:12.680
<v Speaker 1>walked away from We all we all survived what lies

0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:17.439
<v Speaker 1>ahead for you guys as a family. Any more kids?

0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Or are we done? Mama says we're done.

0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:23.560
<v Speaker 3>We wanted five and then we had three, and we're like, okay,

0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 3>that was a lot. Five Five would be a lot.

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:28.679
<v Speaker 3>We could channel five, but we like, we like our

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:30.320
<v Speaker 3>little group.

0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Maybe if you'd mixed in a few girls, you could

0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:33.960
<v Speaker 1>have gone to five.

0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:37.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I could have ten girls. It's the boys who

0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:43.480
<v Speaker 2>were troubled exactly. Yeah, we hopefully you don't mind me

0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:45.800
<v Speaker 2>saying this. We kind of had a scare not too

0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:50.280
<v Speaker 2>long ago where it's like, maybe I'm pregnant, and uh,

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 2>she did the pregnancy test and it was negative and

0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 2>we were both really happy. So we were like, Okay,

0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:56.960
<v Speaker 2>I think we have our answer. Now we're probably done

0:28:57.000 --> 0:29:00.240
<v Speaker 2>with three, so I'll probably make an ap. I'm in

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 2>at the doctor sometime soon.

0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:05.880
<v Speaker 1>I have that same experience where we weren't sure we

0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:09.480
<v Speaker 1>had two and we weren't sure, and we had a

0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:13.400
<v Speaker 1>scare in my first marriage, and as soon as we

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:16.040
<v Speaker 1>realized it was not true and we were not pregnant,

0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 1>we both looked at each other because you know, at first,

0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 1>you're like, well, if it happens, great, you know it's

0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:22.840
<v Speaker 1>God's blessing, and you bet, you bet, we're all in.

0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 1>And as soon as it doesn't happen, we both look

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:28.320
<v Speaker 1>at each other. Are you good? Yeah, I'm really good?

0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Me too.

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, good, that's our answer. God has a good way

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 1>of kind of giving you those moments in life.

0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Right. And our youngest, our youngest is now out of diapers,

0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:42.400
<v Speaker 2>and once you cross that threshold, you just don't want

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:45.640
<v Speaker 2>to go back. Now such a milestone, so yeah, now's

0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:46.920
<v Speaker 2>probably a good stopping point.

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:48.240
<v Speaker 1>How old are the kids?

0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Six?

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:50.640
<v Speaker 3>Four and three?

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so yeah, the next person in diaper, Sean is you.

0:29:55.000 --> 0:30:00.360
<v Speaker 2>I know, we joke about it all the time because

0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 2>I actually had a number of concussions playing college football,

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:05.720
<v Speaker 2>So I'll probably be in diapers here pretty.

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Soon, Sean. He'll be eating his meals out of a

0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 1>straw and he'll be a diapers very soon. No, I

0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 1>always kind of grossly said that to my guess is like,

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:15.760
<v Speaker 1>next next person you know who needs their butt wiped,

0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:18.760
<v Speaker 1>that's me. That's not you, guys anymore. It's good to

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:20.720
<v Speaker 1>be out of that stage. It is so great.

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, life is definitely a lot easier than it

0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 2>was maybe a year or two ago.

0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:28.760
<v Speaker 3>And now every stage is really fun. Though I loved

0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:31.440
<v Speaker 3>newborn phase, but now it's really really fun because it's

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:34.720
<v Speaker 3>a little bit more free and yeah, they can communicate.

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:35.440
<v Speaker 2>It's nice.

0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:38.479
<v Speaker 1>It gets better and better. Every stage is amazing. And

0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:40.080
<v Speaker 1>you guys have been around my kids and then you

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 1>get to college and they're just they're great. Human beings

0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:44.320
<v Speaker 1>you want to hang out with. And I'm excited my

0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:46.800
<v Speaker 1>son's actually coming back down here to Austin. They play

0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:50.680
<v Speaker 1>Texas this weekend and lacrosse, and I'm like so pumped

0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 1>when he and his girlfriend come in and we have

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:55.160
<v Speaker 1>dinners and we just hang and play games. It's a

0:30:55.200 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 1>wonderful stage. But I also miss little league practices, soccer wire,

0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:02.960
<v Speaker 1>all those things too. I mean, the fact that that

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:06.320
<v Speaker 1>part of my life is gone is I miss that.

0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:08.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you guys are reveling in that.

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:10.920
<v Speaker 2>We're soaking it up. I catch myself a lot, and

0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:13.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to sound like super sentimental dad over here,

0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:15.920
<v Speaker 2>but I'll catch myself like looking at their sweet, adorable

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:18.720
<v Speaker 2>faces and just thinking this isn't going to last very

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:19.280
<v Speaker 2>much longer.

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 1>They'll be shaving soon.

0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 2>I know it. You know. So we're definitely definitely soaking

0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:25.000
<v Speaker 2>it up.

0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 1>But you may go get snipped soon. You mean you

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:29.480
<v Speaker 1>may have the surgery.

0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:35.560
<v Speaker 2>I may. I may have to probably probably. Yeah, she's

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 2>definitely fertile. It's probably the wise thing to do.

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they know what causes that. Now you can avoid it,

0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 1>and uh, welcome to the club if you if you

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 1>need any pointers. If you need help, let me know.

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:48.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to be there with you.

0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:52.880
<v Speaker 1>So was I think it was Ari. I was talking

0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:57.360
<v Speaker 1>to Ari Lauren, and Lauren was in the room when

0:31:57.400 --> 0:31:58.760
<v Speaker 1>Ari got his besectomy.

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:00.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't think wife in there for that.

0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:04.160
<v Speaker 1>What's wrong with you? Who does that?

0:32:05.160 --> 0:32:07.120
<v Speaker 3>But we like them, But that's interesting.

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:10.280
<v Speaker 1>I love them, But that is such. That was such

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:12.440
<v Speaker 1>an Ari and Lauren answered like, well, it was. It

0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:14.240
<v Speaker 1>was an option, and so we just did. I'm like,

0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 1>there is that is the last It is the most

0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 1>emasculating thing a guy can go through that. The last

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 1>thing I want is my wife to sit there and

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 1>watch me get sniff something. Yeah, and you know the

0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:28.400
<v Speaker 1>nurses sitting there looking at you, Catherine. I feel like

0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:30.160
<v Speaker 1>everybody's being judged in that moment.

0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I won't be there. Yeah, I'm okay with that.

0:32:35.800 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 1>That is the last thing. Well, guys, I appreciate you

0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:44.720
<v Speaker 1>stepping on. Is there is there anything we should be

0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 1>talking about that we're not?

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, that's a big question.

0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know that we don't really have now We're

0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:58.440
<v Speaker 3>we're kind of boring. We're just kind of boring, and

0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:01.040
<v Speaker 3>I like it. We like it that we.

0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 2>Have a very simple yet beautiful life in our minds.

0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:06.160
<v Speaker 1>In our minds.

0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:13.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's funny. We we have no desire to

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:14.960
<v Speaker 2>to be in the news, or to be on a

0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:19.040
<v Speaker 2>new TV show, or to have salacious scandal of any kind.

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 2>It's just we're happy with our little, beautiful lives. We

0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:26.000
<v Speaker 2>know people are probably tired of hearing about us via

0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:30.040
<v Speaker 2>The Bachelor or Instagram or whatever, but no, I don't

0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 2>think there's anything else we need to be talking about it.

0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 1>I bet you'll still get offers. I'm sure you still

0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:35.640
<v Speaker 1>get offers all the time of like come do this show,

0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:38.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, come beyond Dancing with the Stars, you know,

0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:41.520
<v Speaker 1>those types of things, cooking shows or whatever.

0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it amazes me that, you know, ten years later,

0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 2>people still even remember our names or even care. Yeah.

0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:53.680
<v Speaker 2>And it's funny because Instagram wasn't around back then, or

0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:56.760
<v Speaker 2>it was in its infancy anyway. And so in my

0:33:56.920 --> 0:33:59.720
<v Speaker 2>mind doing The Bachelor, I had I thought it would

0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:02.960
<v Speaker 2>be like once in a lifetime, cool experience, travel the world.

0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 2>That's the end of it. So to think ten years later,

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:10.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, and obviously there's opportunities to make money and

0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:12.560
<v Speaker 2>everything else, But ten years later, people are still following

0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:16.719
<v Speaker 2>along with us and care about us. It's yeah, very

0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:20.840
<v Speaker 2>pretty cool and humbling, and yeah, we're grateful because we

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 2>also have a lot of wonderful people that offer us

0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:26.360
<v Speaker 2>support anytime we're going through a hard time. And you know,

0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:29.120
<v Speaker 2>we've been pretty open with stuff, like recently we had

0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 2>to give away our dog, and I know it's grand

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:33.680
<v Speaker 2>scheming thing, that's not a big deal, but I love

0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:37.880
<v Speaker 2>that dog. Yeah, the amount of support I got was amazing.

0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:40.000
<v Speaker 2>And I know social media gets a bad rap for

0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 2>good cause, but we've had a lot of wonderful people

0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:47.840
<v Speaker 2>following us for the past ten years, and we're superprict.

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:49.880
<v Speaker 3>We love our followers. They're very, very sweet and anytime

0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 3>anyone comes up to us, we just know they're genuinely

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:56.279
<v Speaker 3>supportive of us. And it feels really good to have

0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:58.680
<v Speaker 3>a community of people that are just uplifting you.

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like you guys do a great a

0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:05.480
<v Speaker 1>You are both very humble and b I think y'all

0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:08.359
<v Speaker 1>always do a great job of sharing and the way

0:35:08.400 --> 0:35:11.360
<v Speaker 1>you share, like Sean, for example, that that story about

0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:14.040
<v Speaker 1>your dog and it was it Samuel did he snap

0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:17.319
<v Speaker 1>at Samuel And the fact that you had to deal

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:21.759
<v Speaker 1>with that was such a human story and it's something

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 1>we can all relate to. Of you have this dog,

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:25.920
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, the dog is kind of part of our family.

0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:27.520
<v Speaker 1>But at the end of the day, you're not getting

0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:30.239
<v Speaker 1>rid of Samuel, and so yeah, you have to make

0:35:30.280 --> 0:35:32.439
<v Speaker 1>that call. And those are real things we have to do,

0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 1>and it's heartbreaking and it's tough and it's not pretty.

0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 1>And so I think it's just you guys are so

0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 1>relatable because you represent us and the everyday person, and

0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:45.240
<v Speaker 1>y'all have been so good about that, the way you share,

0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:47.040
<v Speaker 1>and I just think it's it's one of the reasons

0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:48.480
<v Speaker 1>I love you guys so much, and I know you

0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:50.239
<v Speaker 1>are so beloved by so many out there.

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Still, Well, thank you, buddy. I've always said too, I

0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:58.960
<v Speaker 2>being the Bachelor was humbling, And I don't mean that

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:01.560
<v Speaker 2>word like most people use it. I truly mean the

0:36:01.600 --> 0:36:05.440
<v Speaker 2>word humble, because here you are put into the spotlight

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:08.680
<v Speaker 2>and I always thought to myself, like, I don't deserve this.

0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:11.400
<v Speaker 2>I have no talent or skill of any kind. I

0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:14.319
<v Speaker 2>was just a random guy who's now on the cover

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:16.440
<v Speaker 2>of these magazines, and I just felt like I don't

0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:19.880
<v Speaker 2>belong here, like I am. I was raised in Irving, Texas.

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:24.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't deserve the adoration or whatever it is, the spotlight,

0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:29.239
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I think I still feel that way for

0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:30.279
<v Speaker 2>the most point.

0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:32.480
<v Speaker 1>By the way, don't sell yourself short. The fact that

0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:37.239
<v Speaker 1>you could pop your pecks like Terry Crews, that was

0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:38.480
<v Speaker 1>a skill set.

0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Well thank you for that.

0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:43.239
<v Speaker 1>They're not what they used to be, but it's still

0:36:43.680 --> 0:36:46.839
<v Speaker 1>I still got it. I still go Catherine, You're one

0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:52.760
<v Speaker 1>lucky lady. But guys, thank you so much. I appreciate

0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:56.840
<v Speaker 1>your friendship, your love and support. And before I let

0:36:56.920 --> 0:37:00.479
<v Speaker 1>you go, I want to also publicly say that when

0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Lauren and I were going through what we went through,

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 1>that you too reached out to us, were there for us,

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:12.799
<v Speaker 1>spoke to us, texted us as much as anybody, and

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:15.680
<v Speaker 1>it was heartfelt and it was out of love. And

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:19.400
<v Speaker 1>I will never forget that. And you know, I considered

0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:22.160
<v Speaker 1>you a friend, but knew you were. You know, when

0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:24.120
<v Speaker 1>times like that are happening, you know who's going to

0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 1>be in your foxhole. And the fact that you went

0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:31.799
<v Speaker 1>on your own and went public with your support meant

0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:33.640
<v Speaker 1>the world to me and to Lauren, And so I

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:36.560
<v Speaker 1>just wanted to publicly say I've said thank you before,

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:38.359
<v Speaker 1>but I wanted to publicly say thank you to you

0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:41.000
<v Speaker 1>guys for your love and support, because it meant more

0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:41.759
<v Speaker 1>than you will ever know.

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:45.759
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, buddy, That's yeah, that means the world to us.

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:49.799
<v Speaker 2>And I remember texting you one time and or maybe

0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:52.399
<v Speaker 2>you had initiated the text saying thank you, and I said,

0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:54.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, what kind of friend would I be if

0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:57.520
<v Speaker 2>I didn't support you? And you said something along the

0:37:57.560 --> 0:38:02.520
<v Speaker 2>lines of, well, you'd be surprised. I think you had

0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:04.759
<v Speaker 2>a lot of friends maybe fall off or you found

0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:09.080
<v Speaker 2>out they weren't white friends. But that's what friendship is

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:10.960
<v Speaker 2>all about. You support your friends no matter what.

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:13.080
<v Speaker 1>It's easy to love people when they're on top and

0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:16.000
<v Speaker 1>when the money's flowing and everything's great, and you find

0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:20.400
<v Speaker 1>out a lot about your true friends, family, your relationships

0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:23.279
<v Speaker 1>when it all hits the fan. And I definitely did,

0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:25.400
<v Speaker 1>and you guys were there. You were steadfast in that

0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:27.359
<v Speaker 1>and I love you and appreciate you for it.

0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 2>I love you, buddy.

0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:29.440
<v Speaker 3>We're here for you.

0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:31.839
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Catherine, Thank you. Thank you for putting up

0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:38.040
<v Speaker 1>with him and in conjunction me all these years. I

0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:39.800
<v Speaker 1>know you're a blessing to him, But you're a blessing

0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:41.320
<v Speaker 1>to me too, And I love you, guys, and I

0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:45.680
<v Speaker 1>appreciate the time. Thank you, Thank you, buddy, my thanks

0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:49.560
<v Speaker 1>to Shawn and Catherine, two of the most loving, giving,

0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:52.640
<v Speaker 1>humble people. As I said, I can't reiterate this enough.

0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:55.359
<v Speaker 1>Were so good to me and supportive of me when

0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:57.920
<v Speaker 1>they were going to get nothing but grief in return

0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:01.840
<v Speaker 1>for showing that love and support. And they are so

0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:03.759
<v Speaker 1>humble and that's why they are so beloved, and that

0:39:03.800 --> 0:39:06.719
<v Speaker 1>they left the craziness of the show and went off

0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:08.600
<v Speaker 1>and just lived their lives. And I always gave that

0:39:08.680 --> 0:39:12.360
<v Speaker 1>advice of do what Ryan and Trista did, do what

0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Sean and Catherine did in any relationship, take it to

0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:19.120
<v Speaker 1>the next level of making it real and doing the work.

0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:20.640
<v Speaker 1>And it has worked for them and now they have

0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:22.360
<v Speaker 1>a beautiful family. But the other thing I love the

0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:27.000
<v Speaker 1>most about them, it's not perfect, and they'll never pretend

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:33.360
<v Speaker 1>that it's perfect. They fail, they struggle, they have to

0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:37.560
<v Speaker 1>work on it, and that to me is more indicative

0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 1>than anything of how humble and real they are. Is

0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:42.600
<v Speaker 1>that you don't just see the glossy, beautiful times, you

0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:44.839
<v Speaker 1>see the tough times as well. And I know it's

0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:47.719
<v Speaker 1>relatable because we all go through them. Thank you so

0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:50.439
<v Speaker 1>much to Sean and Catherine, and thank you so much

0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:53.680
<v Speaker 1>for joining me. Always love being with you. I'll talk

0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:55.839
<v Speaker 1>to you next time because we have a lot more

0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:58.880
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